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Pj's avatar

I get the feeling this ones gonna backfire. There’s no way the Islamic nations are gonna let this slide. The repercussions here are going to be catastrophic short as well as long term. This arrogance will be the end of Israel in my opinion and possibly the end of America. They cannot see what they’re creating/have created. The hate for Israel and America is growing by the second.

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jamenta's avatar

Yeah. I think Putin was right - this will be unacceptable. The Arab world will not just sit back and watch it happen. And you know what - good. I don't give a damn if it ends up destroying half the world in the process. Because, I for one don't want my name historically written as someone who supported the mass genocide of civilians.

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russian_bot's avatar

Looks like that was Putin's judo game all along. Russia had to become active in Ukraine since it came to the point where Nazis were just about to pounce on Donbas. It'd have preferred to continue sitting back as the arrogant US empire, having boarded the crazy train, sped up to its demise.

And so it continued sitting back, only in a much less comfortable position having to conduct this war in Ukraine. But the empire didn't disappoint, as it didn't take that long for the US and its lapdogs to show they're very much off the rails and looking to finally crash.

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Kojo's avatar

You're just a different flavour of psycho, is all.

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michael janket's avatar

US imperialism during the 20th Century considered responsible for the direct and indirect killing of 100 million people throughout the world. Implanting of tyrannical regimes plus our own greed and brutalities has resulted in untold horrific crimes against civilizations and nations. Are we proud of this, do Americans even know about our murderous ways? If they did, would they care?

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@smokygirl2006's avatar

You’re so right. I still get lectured by some that I live in the greatest country in the world, but I’m afraid I no longer believe that. All these conflicts we get into and helping a nation like Israel to commit genocide on the Palestinians is it for me. I’m so done with this government who keeps lying and committing and/or helping others to commit war crimes. This is the final straw for me. 😢

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AJF's avatar

Americans (and I am one) revel in the propaganda because it's the only world they can live in.

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Eddie's avatar

And even that Republicans are claiming that those are good things for those who suffered. (I'm giving DeSantis the side eye; he is pure evil. )

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Pj's avatar

Yep. agree completely. Been saying that all day. As this genocide expands the Arab nations especially are going to be pressured into getting involved. They cannot sit back and let this happen. I’ll be shocked if this isn’t a 6-10 country war within a week.

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KC Erasmus's avatar

Israel has now retaliated and inflicted damage and death upon Hamas and the Palestinians in their " Eye for and Eye" vendetta, so before the whole world finds itself blinded by this phylosophy, Israel needs to stop, make peace and strive for continued peace through giving Gaza and the West Bank their Total Independence in accordance with the 75 UN resolutions passed since 1952.

The US must also get the hell out of everyone else's affairs, and take care of business back home, which needs a lot of serious attention to prevent an impending economic meltdown.

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Kojo's avatar

It’s not just an economic meltdown on the U.S. The have huge rates of murder, crime. The have rising rates of suicide. Their streets are flooded with junkies many of whom are overdosing and dying. And they imprison more of their own citizens than any other country on earth. More than any “dictatorship”.

That’s the level of crisis they have.

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michael janket's avatar

NO, not eye for eye vendetta. Israeli responses, as expected, are far more disproportionate. That is likely the reason for facilitating this move against the Pals. They get the no-holds-barred thing going and run wild and once and for all, destroy Gaza. And the US sits idly by and watches Gaza razed. Great champions of liberty and freedom, right? We're in deep shit now, you have to wonder if WE will survive or will we end up keelhauled and subject to invasion?

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KC Erasmus's avatar

And at this point of disproportionate Israeli response, there would still be hope for peace if Istael stopped now and made redress for all they have done so far.

I must correct you, the US is not sitting idly by, they are active participants cheerleading this Israeli killing and destruction frenzy, whilst funding it.

What none of these people seem to understand, is what will follow, and that destroying Gaza, will simply change the war, from a conventional one, to a clandestine terrorist war, and nowhere in the world will there be a safe place for Americans or Israeli's to hide, but others will also become collateral damage in such a war.

It is apparent that although just recently celebrating 9/11 in the US again, as an annual event, they have forgotten what actually happened in that day, bit they are definitely going to get a reminder somewhere along the line, and I suppose they will use such an event as an excuse to launch an attack on Iran, thus perpetuating the cycle of war.

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Jeano's avatar

I hope you’re right. I don’t want to see Israeli’s killed but I do want to see Israel wiped off the face of the earth. It’s had it’s time, now they need to live together in a shared space, give back the settlements they stole and try using their ancient stupid religion to actually live by.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Jeano: Do you live in some kind of alternative universe? Jews never give anything back.

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DomeLord's avatar

All my life I give you nothing & still you ask for more!

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GEOFFREY ADKISSON's avatar

Is that a typo? You want to see Isreal wiped off the face of the earth. And you write for a living?

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Elisabeth's avatar

No why should it be a typo, a ONE state solution is the only thing left, just look at the map ... (unfortunately I do not think this will happen, I see only doom and gloom for this OUT OF CONTROL situation, but there are so many of them ... I just wish we would not take all the wonderful and TRULY innocent wildlife with us!)

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Caleb Mars's avatar

Actually a lot of Arab leaders are issuing boilerplate calls for a ceasefire while not so secretly urging Israel to destroy Hamas. Not all Arabs or all Muslims think Islamist terrorist atrocities are justified. They want Israel to deliver a historic defeat to extremists Muslim Brotherhood/ISIS/Al Qaeda or Shia terrorist groups. They’re worried that anything less than a complete Israeli victory will translate to a triumph for Hamas. That would embolden Islamist terrorists across the globe. Most enlightened regimes realize the Arab world needs to strangle the Islamicists in order for the Arabs to advance. Otherwise they will be endlessly mired in failed states, civil wars, and divided governments like in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Sudan, Lebanon, and more. Hamas just reminded everyone of how incredibly brutal the Islamist extremists really are.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Repeat comment: Scott Ritter said that Israeli war planners had gamed a 2 front war (Iran and Syria and Hezzbola/Lebabnon) and Israel loses. We're on the verge of mass slaughter. It could go nuclear if Israel is being defeated.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Pj: What are the Arabs going to do? Will they cancel their NetFlix and quit going to McDonald's?

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Pj's avatar

Last I checked there’s Iran, Saudi, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Russia/China in the support background. Nobody is doing anything to help the west again after this. Expect Iran in this soon to kick things off. It may not happen but I’d say there’s a 70% chance. When that happens the west loses everything. The initiative, oil, the stock market and Israel. I’ll be shocked if they stay spectators but it’s possible.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Pj: I hope you are right. Nothing would please me, and many Americans, more than to see the end of the American Empire.

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Literally Mussolini's avatar

Make no mistake, though. The end of the American Empire would go hard on many of we Americans who would like to see that.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Literally Mussolini: Yes, it would be a drop in the American standard of living. But it's dropping fast already. The financial numbers are baked into the future. There is too much debt. The Empire will end like all the others when the currency collapses in value.

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KC Erasmus's avatar

Nope, Iran is not about to start a major war, however they do have an undeniable capacity to retaliate, if Israel or the US uses the claim that Hamas was funded and supplied by Iran, to justify an attack on Iran.

That will be an attack that will turn ugly, quickly, and could, in all probability take on biblical prophecy proportions.

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Kojo's avatar

A U.S. attack in Iran would unleash a war across the Middle East. And would in facts result in civil wars in Sunni dominated countries too. Because Israel would be involved.

One has to assume that even the U.S. is not that stupid. But then again they sink ever lower year by year.

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Landru's avatar

There is only one weapon needed, OIL. A two month embargo would end the u.s. financial empire pushing debt to 50 TRILLION.

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Literally Mussolini's avatar

It would then be too bad that Biden drained the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to help him with the 2020 elections.

Not that a full reserve would help for long.

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Kojo's avatar

Ha ha.

Look at this map of the U.S. military presence in the Middle East:

https://www.americansecurityproject.org/national-security-strategy/u-s-bases-in-the-middle-east/

It’s all got the “protection” of these countries. Wink wink.

Gangsterism is what it is really.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

So dead on the money again line by line word for word. It is truly disgusting how these rabid warmongers are all scrambling to get their piece of flesh out of this horror. They are literally lined up with their list of wars to start next and wanting the money drawer opened all the way again! All the news outlets are spewing their required lines of bullshit and no one learned from any of the previous wars that THIS IS THE SAME OLD LIE!

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Boris Petrov's avatar

US is now fully supporting two countries ruled by Nazi-dominated governments.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Don't hold back, Caitlin--let it all out! But you are absolutely correct that the US hasn't learned any moral lessons from 9/11. In fact, I'd dare say that the US has gotten only worse both domestically and internationally. We're just a subsidiary of the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex. We're just violence and genocidal mayhem all over. George W is the perfect mascot for such a "winning team", eh?

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russian_bot's avatar

"the US hasn't learned any moral lessons from 9/11" - was it supposed to?

One cannot learn any moral lessons from anything since one has no morals by definition.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

russian_bot: "no morals by definition"... that one confuses me. Are you not a follower of the Jimmy Cricket School of Morality?

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russian_bot's avatar

"that one confuses me" - Timmy, that's not the only one. No worries.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

russian_bot: I am often confused by your comments, that is true. They are confusing and not Confucian.

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russian_bot's avatar

At least in that sense you are not confused.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

russian_bot: But I am confused. Have you been to Norilsk in Siberia? That is a confusing place. There is a good documentary for free on YouTube about the crazy place.

Are all Russians crazy?

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KC Erasmus's avatar

Seeing your reference to George W. Bush, I recall a joke about George W. being asked what the W initial stood for, and George retorted - WAR!!!

I'm beginning to wonder if the unlisted middle initials of Lindsey Graham aren't Lindsey WWIII Graham.

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Jack Lomax's avatar

It was the Military Industrial Complex governed and controlled by the Neocons who made 9/11 happen. And by the way the neocons are Zionists. So Zionists control the US and until recently the US controlled most of the world. Now Russia and China are beginning to assert themselves. I think the US Zionist government has decided that it's not a good idea to confront them head on to save their empire. But they can and are punishing the Palestinians and the UN is unable to stop them or even slow them down. But this is likely to be their last unchallenged mass killing of Palestinians which started in 1947.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

TRC: Please, humble correspondent, point out these "moral lessons from 9/11".

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Yo mismo soy el regalo's avatar

Did any American ever repent for Wounded Knee? This is another battle like that one. A slaughter of innocent, impoverished and helpless women and children by an angry State. Kill them all. Take their land.

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Jeano's avatar

Excellent insight.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Yo mismo: Americans don't repent in the government or in the military. We all know that in the USA.

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Jeano's avatar

Shut up Timmy. 🖕

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Jeano: Not your substack.

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jamenta's avatar

I think I know a bit now what it must have been like being a German in 1939 - who didn't agree with their Nazi fascist government, and then watched helplessly in horror as it invaded Poland with whatever deluded reasoning the Nazis used to justify their mass murder of not just the Poles, but millions more in the following years.

If the Israelis do invade Gaza, we really may be all witnesses to the start of the next World War.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

jamenta: Hitler only won about 32% of the vote in the election that put him in power in Germany. Biden won about the same and so did Trump if you add in those of us who didn't vote.

But here we go just the same...

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andy tonti's avatar

Hezbollah has stated that if Israel begins

A land invasion of Gaza, they must join in against these crazed Zionists. I found this in a pro-Arab source quoting Hezbollah.

Guess we’ll see. Will Hezbollah leave its

Clear ally to be annihilated????

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AJF's avatar

Agree...and to the extent that nothing can be discussed anymore. Everyone so incredibly steeped in propaganda and Orwellian double speak my views (and many writers on Substack) are seen as insane.

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Jeano's avatar

Jamenta—Well said. I have felt the same since 9/11. And the hits just keep on coming.

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Jeano's avatar

Caitlin’s analysis is exactly perfect. Israel couldn’t be doing any of this genocide unless they were funded by us. And they are funded by us because AIPAC owns congress. And everyone is dutifully lining up to pay homage to this theocratic apartheid state pretending to be seeking peace. All except Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar, so they sicced the DNC on them. It makes me so fucking furious I feel almost homicidal. Good thing I study the Tao de Ching.

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michael janket's avatar

I listened to a radio program yesterday and the host of the program did his damndest to rail against Palestine in every way humanly possible. See, he was showing his boss, undoubtely Zionist, how 4 square he was behind the Israelis. Earning his points, probably got a bonus for this blanket condemnation of Palestinians. It was sickening but our Congress gave Bibi 28 standing ovations, the loudest approbation came when Bibi said he was totally contemptuous of the USA and would watch as we self destructed. Chew us up, spit us out. Our Congress, largely funded by our "aid money" given to Israel and then used to bribe reelection candidates who are only too happy to kiss Israel's ass.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Jeano: So Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar are for liberty? Or do they just hate Jews?

Is "Tao de Ching" about the Chinese Tong gangs using extortion to make money? (Ching-Ching!)

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Schantz's avatar

Billy:

As the USA is the biggest terror-country on Earth which acts worldwide and wants to bring all terrestrial resources and countries under its sword, whereby every filthy means is quite good enough, the CIA, worldwide is the biggest, state-sanctioned, respectively, legalized, criminal organisation which ever existed, and which does not find its equal, on our globe.

And because, on September 11th, 2001 in New York, ...

The press was muzzled and the CIA was given freedoms which are so unbelievable that a normal citizen of the country cannot conceive of these.

That could only happen, however, through the Al Qaida terror act, which shows that this was quite consciously allowed to happen.

It is a matter of fact, namely, that the CIA, through its spies and informers, was just as fully informed about Osama bin Laden's oncoming terror plot as was the irresponsible US President George W. Bush; yet neither he nor the CIA, nor ones from the other secret services, undertook something in order to prevent the harm.

That has several reasons, because on one hand the terror attack had to serve to provide yet more unrestricted power for the CIA, and on the other hand, through its actualization, the USAmerican people could be duped with threadbare and filthy lies, and the war in Iraq could be launched.

In addition to that, the anticipated terror attack also guaranteed that the CIA and the other secret services, as well as the US government, had to be given, along with more power, a greater financial blessing, which then also actually happened as the terror act was actualized and demanded more than than 3,000 human lives which the CIA, as well as US President Bush, coldly took into account.

https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/CIA

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Jeano's avatar

9/11 was an inside job.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Jeano: And we all know 9/11 was an inside job. Just like the JFK assassination story is BS. It's a dead end.

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Jeano's avatar

Shut up Timmy

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Jeano: Not your substack.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

George Bush, the arch killer, liar and apologist for *excess of evil", is the perfect symbol for this narrative and the inanity in which it is embedded. So he weighs in on the side of Israel which could not in a million years justify its murderous actions to a sane audience. Even were its story true, and that is far from proven, it does not justify by light years the wholesale killing of civilians that may amount to genocide.

Is the US complicit? Yes to the tune of several $billion every year, but so is the international community, and Canada's Trudeau heads the list of nauseating sycophants: His brief, raving lecture against Gaza and the Palestinians, jaw and facial muscles distorted in a surreal display of hatred, was the worst commentary of all. It's all so phoney and inauthentic - none of these puppets could possibly believe what they are spouting, And that is perhaps the worst aspect of all.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Doris: Well Turdo did wear a Nazi costume to a party. So maybe he DOES believe the racist/eugenics garbage.

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michael janket's avatar

Turdeau is nicely compromised. He's a closet something and he wants that kept a secret. The wretched refuse of our neighbors to the North, that's his moniker.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

That somebody has something on him is not hard to believe. How else to account for such bizarro comments? If you didn't know, you'd never guesss he was a head of state.

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Patricia Blair's avatar

You are absolutely correct! I am appalled, although I already knew how evil the USA is.

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Kojo's avatar

Biden, Trump, Obama and Bush are ALL cold blooded killers. It’s public information that for decades now they have been running a DAILY kill list that drone executes thousands of people to death every year.

Of those thousands of people, even the U.S. govt data says that NINE bystanders are killed as collateral damage per combatant target killed. NINE.

That’s who is being interviewed there. Murderers in suits.

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Lance's avatar

The US Is Just As Culpable As Israel For The Atrocities Committed In Gaza

so the question i need to ask is........Why...Why......doesn't the whole world believe that this is so True...........

that is because the majority of the world believes what the MSM tells them.....which is not the truth...........

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Lance: You forgot to add the word "government". Most Americans do NOT support these bullshit wars on the other side of the world.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Robert: Not true. Latest polls show over half of Americans are against any more aid for Ukraine war.

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Eddie's avatar

People can be against aid for Ukraine but can also totally for Israel.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Eddie: And your point is...?

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JP Spatzier's avatar

I think we are the finale of a long plan put together by a group of crazies many many years ago & they aim to finish this plan .. all on purpose.. no mistakes made ... an evil 👿 bigger plan in play

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Schantz's avatar

Contact Report 429

Billy:

Especially as long as the US Americans do not end their bloody terror down there and disappear – also out of Afghanistan and all other countries where they have settled in – there will never be peace, rather only further murder as well as torture, rape, terror and destruction.

It has shown itself already for a long time that there, where the US Americans, in the form of their government and military, rip open with their great snout, all evil of the world comes about.

Aside from that it must be said that it is not surprising if Israel, with its war-politics, murder-politics and criminal-politics sits in the nettles more and more and produces more and more enemies world-wide in the Islamic world and in their circle of friends.

It must thereby actually be the Islamic world, and not the Arabic world that is spoken of, because, since the Arabic people are Islamic, the Islamic believers worldwide feel attacked when criminals and degenerates act against the Arabic countries and their populations.

What will be murderously, criminally and irresponsibly plotted through Israel there, for war on Hezbollah and Hamas in the Gaza Strip and in Lebanon, is a very dangerous situation and can, where possible, lead to a widespread conflagration through which quite especially Israel can properly fall on its snout.

https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_429

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michael janket's avatar

And Jake Rothschild sits munching on his morning meal and grins......

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Richard's avatar

Recall that Bush, Cheney & Co were convicted of war crimes by a tribunal in Malaysia in 2012. That news outlets are still asking his opinions on such things reinforces how compromised the MSM is.

MLK was right--the largest purveyor of violence in the world is the US Government, serving at the pleasure of AIPAC and the Israeli government.

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Mofwoofoo's avatar

We are under the control of cold-blooded criminals world-wide. What will it take before humanity rises up? With their grip on the msm, probably never.

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Ken's avatar

@CWoods I agree with you. I should have said ALL those monotheistic Abrahamic religions that insist theirs is the only god and their path is the only path. This leads inevitably to an ‘us’ and ‘the others’ mindset which leads to the desire to eliminate the ‘other’. I emphasized Islam because the other two appear to be weakened / diluted today. Islam still carries the centuries old mindset without change.

The US caused bloodshed seems more as a result of a simple wish to dominate the world, a la Genghis Khan; and not a religious motivation. I may be mistaken in that observation. Like you, I agree that eliminating monotheistic belief systems is the key to reducing such carnage.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Eliminate what people believe. I wonder how that would be accomplished?

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Timmy Taes's avatar

G&D: Did you sleep through the last three years?

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Jo Waller's avatar

I know that you're just looking for a rise Teety, but apart from being aware of the patently false and misleading claims by industry about saturated animal fat not being so bad I was fairly somnolent before Spring 2020. Then I woke the f up.

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Jeano's avatar

Timmy went to Woodstock, got a hold of some bad shit and never did wake up, not even yet!

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Timmy Taes's avatar

G&D: I have no idea what saturated animal fat has to do with you waking up. Seems odd to me. Did you wake up covered in butter? I'm sure it was slippery fun.

I've been looking for a rise in my pants for years.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Teety. While the rest of us call out the LETHAL lies of big pharma, politicians, MSM and the military industrial complex please carry on looking in your pants and get out of our way.

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Jeano's avatar

Great!!!!!

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Timmy Taes's avatar

georgie&donny: PS: I figure you are a gay Siamese twin with that avatar name. Are you in the circus?

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Timmy Taes's avatar

G&D: "Come out, come out, wherever you are!"

Well, have the big pharma, politicians, MSM, and military industrial complex liars come out yet? Seems to me that they are still in the closet.

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Jeano's avatar

Now THAT I believe. And been disappointed, yes?

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Jeano: Your English is terrible. Try a remedial class.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

KenKam: So, if monotheistic beliefs are eliminated they will be replaced by what? Paganism? What's the plan, KenKam?

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JennyStokes's avatar

Why does anyone need false prophets?

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Timmy Taes's avatar

JennyStokes: Maybe people need false prophets because they don't trust themselves in their own life.

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