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Patrick Powers's avatar

The West has abandoned free speech. Now it's billionaire speech, all day, all the time.

Nick Douglas's avatar

Western fascist shitholes were always like this. People didn't see it because of curtains, walls, propaganda, and lies. Frank Zappa, Malcom X anx few others saw it 50+ years ago.

Ginnie's avatar

fuck them. If the UK wants to torch itself for a foreign power, I say, let them. A fitting end for a country that's been setting the world on fire for the past 500+ years to enrich a bunch of parasitic royalty. Doing this is how these nations will end.

jill chambers's avatar

it's not the people in the uk wanting to torch itself, it's the government. the people, on the whole, are against israel and it's genocide. the government are prosecuting protesters who silently hold up cardboard signs asking for justice (and many of these people are elderly and/or in wheelchairs). and the government will not accept the will of the people to not allow flights in support of israel to take off from bases in the uk. we are stuffed here by the so called leaders of the country.

Frank Sailor's avatar

And what are you going to do about it? You contradict yourself here - if the 'people' would not support it, they would get rid of the 1% since they're the 99%.

So lets be honest here - people who oppose Israels politics and behavior are a very little but brave minority, the rest of the British people gives a flying F like here in Germany & the Netherlands.

jill chambers's avatar

me personally ? not a lot. at age 87 i'm not prepared to sit on the street with a cardboard sign and wait to be arrested. and i'm sure there are many more like me. all i will do is speak and write when the opportunity presents itself.

Dino 🇵🇸's avatar

Don't worry Jill. Nobody can demand any more from you. You are at least making your opposition known. Not sure what "Frank" is doing to further the Palestinian cause. Keep speaking and writing.

Frank Sailor's avatar

I am sorry that you took my response personally, that wasn't my intention but here we are, not even able to face the other without feeling attacked personally immediately. But thank you for speaking out and keep participating for the humanitarian cause.

DavidPageYea🐝's avatar

you did attack her; don't pretend otherwise

Dino 🇵🇸's avatar

And what exactly are YOU doing to affect change?

Some here in the UK have been trying to fight the system for decades; often at great personal cost.

The change will only come when the majority sees the light. Sadly, that majority is duped thanks to state disinformation that is amplified by the corporate media. As much as people work towards countering the state/corporate media narrative, the resources are lacking.

But just you sit there and condemn people you know nothing about, criticise movements that you don't understand and, probably, meekly kowtow to your own government.

Frank Sailor's avatar

>>Some here in the UK have been trying to fight the system for decades; often at great personal cost.<<

Tell me about it.

Just stop whining about the state/corporate media. I am quite familiar with the UK and this blaming the media is getting boring. It's our sons and daughters that work at those media, selling their souls to manslaughter and rape.

I condemn people I know a lot about, I talk to them for decades, I see their ignorance, dumbed down, being proud of not reading a book, calling themself a-politic etc.

Plus they vote for the same forces that wage wars around the world for decades after WWII. Palestine is nothing that started yesterday.

For the rest, it is telling that you fell in the same trap as Jill - learn you own damn language, you doesn't always means YOU!

Divide and create hostility among the opposite powers - thank you for showing how that works even on here.

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

Sure, but why to the British people elect such leaders ???

JennyStokes's avatar

Why do all western nations elect such leaders? Money/lies and corruption.

Andrea Maria Romandini's avatar

The reason Trump is in office here is because billionaires backed him… the first amendment doesn’t exist anymore.

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

I know, but we were discussing about the UK.

Andrea Maria Romandini's avatar

I was replying to a comment that mentioned all western nations…

Feral Finster's avatar

Because the public are given a choice - corporate imperialist muppet Tweedledum or corporate imperialist muppet Tweedledee.

Spunty's avatar

Notice how the empire started clamping down on "free" speech around the same time the Epstein thing went public?

Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

It's the slow mission creep, they've been clamping down on free speech for decades. It especially got pernicious right after 9/11. My AOL account was shut down 3 times back then. Imagine that! It went full throttle during the Covid1984 debacle and that was world wide. What we are seeing now is ramped up but more of the same. Once they were able to shut us down after 9/11 and the Patriot Act, the sky became the limit, or shall I say the moon?

Aamir Razak's avatar

well said spunty, very convenient timing in that imperialist action. Notice we have hardly heard anything recently, especially in MSM, about the files for months now

Ken Taylor's avatar

Yes, and garbage double speak in defense of the indefensible - the deplorable, murderous atrocities committed by the zionist colony rats.

Aamir Razak's avatar

well said mr taylor, it is truly becoming Orwell's '1984' made manifest

jamenta's avatar

This is what the British and US Israeli bought leadership don't want you to hear about:

May 31, 2026: “I Was Raped By Israeli Soldiers” - Flotilla Activist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvd77nmxa8A

David Baird's avatar

In its specific detail, it's a clarifying clip, Jamenta. The 'most moral army in the world' doing its thing, yet again. And in the list of bought governments, Australia must be included. Our gutless mob is bad as any in its fawning obedience to the genocidists sheltering under the umbrella of the predictable 'antisemitism' accusation. We blithely turn a blind eye and a deaf eye to the clear evidence of war crimes/civil crimes, and I'm getting more than slightly pissed off.

jamenta's avatar

Yeah, you're not the only one David. Was watching Status Coup's coverage today of the peaceful protest outside of Delaney Hall in New Jersey, against the ICE concentration camp of human beings detained without due process (could be any of us). And there was literally a 3-1 ratio of riot police fully geared, with horses, and shields against mostly a docile peaceful group of Americans and a number of Independent press.

They literally kettled and surrounded BOTH the peaceful protestors and Press. They gave the Press one chance to get out or be arrested (Unconstitutional) - then proceeded to throw each of the protestors to the ground and zip tie them like they were cattle. They continued to threaten/terrorize the Press that they were also going to be arrested.

I found myself in a rage - i.e. more than slightly pissed off. And get this, the governor of New Jersey right now is a Democrat: Mikie Sherrill. So, people who still believe the Dems are going to be any better, think again.

First they came the Communists, and I did not speak out... Then they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out ... (You know the rest)

David Baird's avatar

Yeah, I saw that clip. And Avi's retreat in the face of literally dozens of cops was simply another piece of fascistic intent. We see that same intent here, increasingly.

Davina's avatar

It cannot be a time antisemitism when the people are not semites. Israel is fully aware that there are no semites in israel - there are Polish, Ukrainian, Russian jews in israel who are not allowed to have DNA testing because it would prove they have no semitic DNA.

Iranian jews have more semitic genes than any Israeli has, so right now israel is guilty of antisemitism, and murder, of Iranian jews who have lived there, happily amongst Muslims, for thousands of years. The founder of judaism was an arab born and raised in Iraq, for goodness sake.

elena the red's avatar

It’s probably anti semetic to be against rape if a Zionist does it now.

After all we know the truth is anti semetic right.

Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

I just wrote a piece on this.

“I was raped by an Israeli soldier” Gaza Flotilla Survivor Breaks Silence | Double Down News

We are living in very dangerous times because the entities that are supposed to stand up and challenge this barbarism remain mute, inept and ineffective in preventing it or holding accountable. https://topicsfromatoz.substack.com/p/i-was-raped-by-an-israeli-soldier

Davina's avatar

Remaining silent in the face of these atrocities proves their guilt. I'm wondering how many of country leaders are married to zionist jews, or have been trapped in something shameful that they fear being exposed. I'd say let it be known yourselves and get rid of the noose around your neck. We know so much about Drumpf's wrong-doing already; his must be horrendous if he's terrified to have it come out.

Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

Davina, I always wonder what it must be like to be married to these folks. I don’t know if you saw the recent cabinet meeting the Trumpster had, but if you really want to throw up, watch that. They were gushing all over him. I was like, either they are part of a serious cult, or they are so afraid that he will fire them, that they will kiss both his butt checks to stay in power.

Wildrhody's avatar

Jamenta, What I don't understand is that the Bible (Buy-Bull) clearly shows their MO, and yet people continue to believe it's the word of some god (more like the projected thoughts-into-words of god-complex, psychopaths). Here are two examples:

Deut. 21:10+ speaks of what to do with a war-captive "beautiful woman." She's made to strip her clothes, shave her head, (humiliation and isolation tactics) pare her nails (so she can't scratch her rapist, no doubt), and then she's given 30 days to mourn the loss of her family before she's raped.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2021&version=KJV

Numbers 31 is about psychopathic Moses commanding the murder of everyone, including the male children, but they can keep alive the 32,000 virgin girls, to then divvy aka child traffic them amongst the other tribe members, with 32 as a tribute to the priestly class for a heave offering.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=numbers%2031&version=KJV

So, why have people believed this crap?! In the words of Thomas Paine: "For what is greater blasphemy than to ascribe the wickedness of man to the orders of the Almighty."

jamenta's avatar

Why do people believe free-market Capitalism is great for society, and billionaires are heroes of meritocracy?

People are going to believe what they want to believe, including scientists insisting magical particles somehow produced awareness and consciousness.

There are is a lot of good stories in the bible as well. People will pick and choose. You can use any idealogy to justify practically anything from Mao Tse Tung, to Hitler and Neo-Darwinism.

It's the hidden stratum of consciousness that really matters in the end. That few people pay attention to.

Fadi Lama's avatar

Quote: “I saw Arabs being thrown out of their houses in Jerusalem. But it was just the extraordinary magical energy of a country just beginning to put its roots in the ground. It was an amazing time to be here.”

Calling Helen Mirren a bitch is an insult to both female dogs and hookers.

Sera's avatar

My biggest fear is that the motivation for the wide support of Zionism is far more evil than we realize. I don’t think it’s ‘guilt’ over the Holocaust, or misguided efforts to combat antisemitism. I think it’s an audition for the fascism being organized all over the West. The motivation for that remains unknowable.

Patrick Powers's avatar

I'd say it's for control of the Middle East fossil fuels. They openly say the goal is expansion of Israel. Expand it enough and they have control of the Middle East fossil fuels.

Under fascism the people have little say in policy. Big Money wants it that way.

CK's avatar

Every war in the Middle East and North Africa, for the past 115 years, has been about control of access to the fossil fuels.

:Stuart-james.'s avatar

Also about those that step out from the fiat currency financial system, like Gaddafi.

Corporate America still hasn’t returned the gold to Libya and they left a trail of misery and destruction. Just like Iraq it’s the same story with Ukraine.

All these nations didn’t want or need the fraudulent banks of the west.

CK's avatar

The American fossil fuels industry wants all financial transactions in petrodollars.

Nick Douglas's avatar

I am convinced it is ideological more than materialistic. Western judeo-nazi supremacist cult.

AnF's avatar

It's also why they're all-in on the climate crisis and actively accelerating it.

They want to obliterate and prevent any form of civilization outside of their tightly controlled surveillance hellscapes.

Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

Oh, but let me tell you, dear ole Tony Blair is backtracking on the climate crisis because those data centers need all the fossil fuel they can get to keep them running, and they need lots and lots of water pumped in so that they don't over heat and explode. Not to mention, you can't run a war on solar panels and windmills.

:Stuart-james.'s avatar

Why don’t they just use sea water for cooling and why put them in a hot climate in middle of nowhere? Doesn’t make sense to me.

AnF's avatar

Salt water would corrod much of the metal over time, and the deserts provide relatively uninhabited spaces where the building and temperature can be controlled.

Although the temperature part is quickly becoming nonsensical.

Patrick Powers's avatar

They think that the climate crisis will degrade life in other nations more than it does in the USA. Looking at what is going on in India and it appears that this is correct. Famine will also affect other countries more than it does the USA with its abundant farmland. This is their idea of a good thing.

ecoelder's avatar

I agree, it's the crusades again and still driven by racism. Not religion, ideology.

Mu's avatar
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But what is it? These fiends already have more money than God. Maybe the sociopathy that seems to go hand in hand with obscene wealth. A Pharaoh complex?

Feral Finster's avatar

The british political class has no priority other than The War On Russia, specifically, getting the Americans to fight that war for them.

For their part, the Americans sure are touchy about Israel.

Dean McInerney's avatar

Its all about the renewal of white supremacy, a new Anglo Empire, and the eventual eradication of democracy. Zionism is the beating heart of global fascist imperium.

Helen Londe MD's avatar

Oy vay! Helen Mirren! I thought she was smart. I myself consider myself lucky that I do not know of a single Jewish-American relative who is OK with what Israel is committing with US support in the Middle East. Hey, Helen Mirren, it's genocide and ecocide! And if anyone wants to call me antisemitic because I think Palestine has a right to exist, then I am proud to be called "antisemitic" or a "self-hating Jew". Thanks for bravely fighting against the gaslighting Caitlin! It's good therapy to read you. It's sanity.

Benjamin's avatar

The most anti-Semitic country is Israel. They kill Semitic people every day, in Gaza, in Lebanon, the West Bank; and they throw in as many Persians as they can as well. Nobody kills Semites like the IDF and Israel.

John Cosmo's avatar

Zionism is anti-Semitic.

The Revolution Continues's avatar

I'm amazed that "Bernie Sanders progressives" (or "Dem Lite") are now considered "dangerous antisemites" in the UK. I'm not a fan of either of the two pundits mentioned, but what the hell? They probably only in the past year or so have spoken out against the genocidal apartheid ethnostate in any manner. What will the UK government do to those of us who have been outspokenly pro-Palestine since Day 1? I shudder to think. I just wonder: Will I be allowed again in the UK to visit with my daughter and son-in-law who live there?

David Baird's avatar

Your question, Rev, will more than likely be a negative. Down here in 'Straya, we're 'in ongoing talks' with the US about providing biometric info, emails, browsing history and other personal e-data, (as collected by Palantir), to Uncle Sam, with love from the Oz government. I don't doubt the same will apply in the UK. Shit, WE may become the 51st state, the way things are going. Angst-, and anger-inducing stuff.

Spunty's avatar

Aren't we already the 51st state?

David Baird's avatar

Pretty much, Spunty.

Feral Finster's avatar

States have rights. Puppets only have obligations.

The Revolution Continues's avatar

Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Puppets only have obligations. I live in one of the 50 puppet states of the so called "United" States of America. Washington DC don't give a f*** about the rest of us.

John Day MD's avatar

Paul Craig Roberts clarifies: Has President Trump Committed High Treason?

The principle right is free speech. It is the First Amendment, because without free speech it is impossible for citizens to hold government accountable for violation of the other protections from, and limits on, government power.

​ Trump’s affinity for Zionist Israel has led him into an act that violates his oath of office and possibly caused him to commit high treason against the United States.

​ Trump has created by executive order what in effect is a Sedition Act for Israel that prohibits United States citizens from using their First Amendment right to criticize Israel for the genocide of Palestine, the rape and torture of Palestinian prisoners, the destruction of Palestinian homes, villages, and olive groves by Israeli settlers who blatantly steal Palestinian land, assassinations of foreign leaders, undue influence over the U.S. legislative and executive branches, state governments, media, finance, and education, and wars of aggression against Middle Eastern countries.

​ U.S. critics of Israel are not even permitted to complain about the Jewish Anti-defamation League’s slander, libel and defamation of them. For an American to complain of being defamed by Zionists is to risk punishment for anti-semitism.

​ To state it plainly, Trump and his acting attorney general have given priority to protecting Israel, a foreign government, over the First Amendment rights of U.S. citizens. Clearly, this means that Trump and his accommodating acting attorney general are serving a foreign interest by suspending without any right or authority to do so, the First Amendment rights guaranteed to U.S. citizens by the U.S. Constitution.​ https://paulcraigroberts.org/has-president-trump-committed-high-treason/

AnF's avatar

Has Trump, the guy who openly committed felonies across the board, raped children, and engaged in insider trading and political bribary, and collusion with foreign powers for his own personal benefit using State and Federal resources, and advocated for the kidnapping and killing of public officials on several instances including Jan 6, and has blatantly allowed the mass sabotage of federal institutions and theft of private citizen data from said federal institutions into private international corporations, possibly maybe committing high treason.

The world may never know. /s

Frank Sailor's avatar

If Trump has committed high treason - who cares? Obviously no one since the US citizens are on tiktok and busy with paying bills out of debt for buying stuff they cannot afford anymore.

Christopher Rixman's avatar

The Helen Mirren example is where this starts getting genuinely strange.

Helen Mirren isn't Jewish.

She was allegedly criticized because of her support for Israel.

So if criticizing a non-Jewish person for supporting Israel can be investigated as antisemitism, then what exactly are the limiting principles?

At that point the category appears to be expanding beyond protecting Jews from discrimination and into protecting political support for a state from criticism.

That's a much bigger civil-liberties question than one actress or one incident.

Feral Finster's avatar

Law is meaningless. Enforcement is the only thing that matters.

Stuart's avatar

Starmer is the decoy…big brother somewhere is the real dictator…no one should close their eyes to it

TruthMatters's avatar

This is obscene! I'm paying tax in this English racist Z!onist country and want the government and that asshole StarVer GONE, and gone being no longer breathing!

Mirren is a Z!onist biatch and should be BOYCOTTED, BOYCOTTED, BOYCOTTED in EVERY way possible!

I head back to England (it shouldn't be called 'United Kingdom' or 'Great Britain' as it's neither 'united' ((Scotland & Wales hate the coloniser England)) or 'great') and I'll be wearing my keffiyeh scarf and if any idiot at the airport says anything I'll be screaming blue murder!

Naji's avatar

I wonder if they will arrest Norman Finkelstein or Gideon Levy for their criticism of the State of Israel

No Consent's avatar

There seems to be almost a mantra of always clarifying "we are criticizing Zionism only, not Judaism".

But after learning of account after account of brutal child rape that is being practiced in religious Jewish communities both in Israel and outside of it, with rabbis and prominent members of those communities participating in it, I wonder why Judaism doesn't come under more rigorous public scrutiny?

The latest KAN11 investigation into child rape in Jewish communities is a shocking one, and is only one in a myriad of other stories about abuse in religious Jewish communities.

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/2042057671860248945?s=20

Susan T's avatar

Tightknit religious communities often seem to have some brutal behaviours no matter what religion. Zionism is not a religion and it is Zionism that is creating a nation of people almost entirely lacking in empathy for some groups of people. Some of those people are Christian, but still Zionists.

Feral Finster's avatar

*Any* closed and tightknit community will have such behaviors. The Symbionese Liberation Army was not exactly a religion, but featured plenty of abuse of members.

Patricia Blair's avatar

This is as sick, immoral as Nazi Germany was.I really didn’t know the people banned.

Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

Can the US and UK afford this jingoism on behalf of Israel? Israel is not exactly popular at this time, and for very good reasons.

Frank Sailor's avatar

They obviously can since the 99% is busy with going on with their life and give a flying F except a now and then mumbling: Israel is bad but it's not the people but their government.

John Harrison's avatar

It is the government and at least a lot of the people.

Mara's avatar

This is how the lobby works. Through the gradual normalisation of a set of assumptions, so that protecting Israel becomes synonymous with protecting a Western liberal value, and any challenge to it gets coded as a civilisational threat. What we're watching now is that process having completed itself inside government and policing, to the point where the machinery enforces the equation automatically, without anyone needing to give an order. And that's why the Metropolitan Police didn't need a phone call from Tel Aviv. They knew already what to do.

As for the visa bans, they follow the same logic. Uygur and Piker aren't banned because they're dangerous. They're banned because letting them speak at Oxford would suggest that criticism of Israel is a legitimate position within respectable political discourse, and that's precisely what twenty years of lobby infrastructure has been built to prevent.