Ilan Pappe’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” gives historical proof that the Zionists have NEVER negotiated in good faith or wanted a two state solution. Once you understand that, and see that the only thing that is different since 10/2023 is the scale of the cruelty and the starvation aspect you can truly come to understand just how abhorrent and sick Zionists are. They do not deserve to belong ANYWHERE on the occupied land of Palestine.
For eight decades after the end of World War II, America’s proudest title was “Leader of the Free World.” Today, both on grounds of practical leadership and grasp of what it means to be free, we are yielding the title to Israel.
In order to remain free, we, and the world, must pass the Israel Test.
The issues in the Middle East could hardly be simpler. On one side is tyranny, dependency, and resentment; on the other is liberty and its redemptive fruits.
The essence of liberty is self-government, of which political democracy is only one component. Governing others, whether through elections or through bureaucracies, is not the point. First and foremost, liberty means governance of the self.
A self-governing people does not whine. They do not expect to be catered to like children. Unlike the so-called “Palestinians” who depend entirely on funds from Western “charities” – billions annually from the U.S. through the UN – the Israelis give back far more than they take. They assume responsibility for their own fate and flourishing. Israelis don’t complain; they fight. The very essence of Zionism is that no Jew should ever again be a pet, dependent on the forbearance of some alien elite for survival.
A second trait of self-governing naturally follows the first. Free people produce more than they consume. Creative in the image of their creator, they thrive. Even in a world of ever-increasing abundance, fueled by new technology, arbitrary misery can strike, along with plagues and lean years, tempests and earthquakes. Yet even these disasters always seem most to befall regions where liberty and thus prosperity are scarce.
Liberty invites every man to contribute to the general prosperity by work oriented to the needs of others. Tyranny wastes a people’s energy, not merely through bureaucracy and interference from without, but by envy, resentment, and violence. Blaming others for one’s plight is a signal of subservience. If Gaza is a hellhole, the refusal of self-government is what made it so.
Envy is the sin of Cain and leads naturally to murder. The question put repeatedly to a free people, ultimately their Israel Test, is between envy and admiration of excellence. Do you view the exceptional accomplishments of others as examples to admire and emulate, and new sources of opportunity? Or do you greet these achievements with envy and hatred and charge
Moon ,Yeah this way on the Moon they wont have be among us Lowly, Worthless Gentiles who ,don't have any reason to live except to' Serve Jews and Lick their feet as they Great leader Menachem Begin had said decades ago
Knowing the Jews, they may make something out of it :)
Just as I know that if the Jews leave Israel, the Gaza Muslims will turn it into the same sh*thole that Gaza is today and the whole region was before the Zionists returned there to fix it.
So you have a crystal ball. It's clear that the Zionist state wishes to atomise the West Asian states by any means. Its leaders (and very probably the British) saw from the beginning that the Ottoman state had allowed many communities to live in peace, leaving the door open for the new states' future dismemberment.
Zionist return from where, they were never there before the 1800 AD. they are a people who converted in 800 AD and they are living in a Stolen land with a stolen History and stolen legacy, it and was always my own Ancestors land ,we are the first and oldest Humans on earth, Israel and Jews did nit exist when we were on earth thousands of years ago. Read your bible Genesis 2 verse 7 to 15,or go Scientific to the oldest people on Earth any way goy go its my Ancestors not yours .
Post a snip and Show me your Ancestors proof that they were ever anywhere near the mid east or Africa before the 1800 AD. Here's a snip mine .
I heard that Jews are not allowed to show or take their DNA test can you say why? Everyone else can take theirs Palestinians like me have taken ours can show proof .This is part of mine .
No other nation on this planet, as far as I know, has the superiority complex of zionists and the need to conquer and destroy anyone it may perceive as a possible "competitor"
Helga, Chuck, gypsy, Katherine: would you say, as I do, that the zionist entity with the beautiful-sounding name is actually ultimately in the act of suicide? I don't assert this as some 'cheering' point being raised; I see the ugliness of it. There's no 'feel-good' in suicide...
Zionism and Nazism are ideologies with many things in common, the first and most influencial to their behaviour is that they consider themselves to be supreme beings. Maybe Zionism adapted some of that thinking from the Nazis. We need to make it so that any symbols representing Zionism are treated in the same way that symbols representing Nazism are treated. They cannot be freely allowed in our world.
Not much difference between them, except for" Zionism "they have built in protection by their very successful brainwashing tool with their Religious Creationist stories
,and have a lot more power ,Money and Influence than the NAZIS, and they are never held accountable or face consequences for any of their numerous crimes
"Maybe Zionism adapted some of that thinking from the Nazis."
Alas,the 1st Zionist Congress was a historic meeting in Basel, Switzerland, from August 29–31, 1897, led by Theodor Herzl, that established the World Zionist Organization and formulated the Basel Program. The Basel Program outlined the movement's goal to secure a Jewish homeland in Palestine and set the path for the founding of the State of Israel 51 years later, according to Herzl's prophetic diary entry.
Comrade Hitler at that time was 8 years 4 months old.
The 1-irst Nazi Congress, which was the Danzig Congress of the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP) was held in 1920 in Munich, the party adopted its 25-point program and officially changed its name from the German Workers' Party (DAP) to the NSDAP.
Speaking of Hitler's Nazis: First of all, you have to look at it from a historical perspective. After WW One, during the Weimar Republic, Germany was so very humiliated by the Allies, insulted, made to feel like dirt, inferior, etc. to such a degree that it had to produce someone, anyone, to return hope and pride to the German people, to give them back their self-respect. It practically asked for a Hitler type person to fill this void, to raise the punished fully demoralized people and gave them back their pride and confidence in themselves. This is where Zionism and Nazism differ, or do they?. Nazism was a way to heal a deep wound. But what did Zionism heal? Could it be that Zionism grew out giving Jews back their self-respect after having been driven out of so many nations? What we are dealing with both Nazism and zionism is cause and effect. If you cannot freely allow either one of them in our world, one has to look at cause and effect. You cannot erase and outlaw effects unless you look at the cause of the effect, and eliminate the cause. Zionism was the outcome of anti-semitism, and Hitler's faschism was the effect of the Allied Forces denigration and humiliations of the German people.
I hear what you are saying, but I don't see that being humiliated really gives anyone any right or reason to commit a holocaust or a genocide. It is a very backwards and infantile way of dealing with any problem. From my reading, Zionists and Nazis agreed that the Jews should have their own state. The Nazis wanted the Jews out of Europe and Zionists were convinced that they are "chosen". Supreme beings. Most of us have been hurt and/or humiliated at some point in our lives. Killing and murdering does not bring back our self respect. If self respect means what Israel is doing or what the Nazis did in Germany, then maybe we need to re-define self respect.
I never said that being humiliated gives anyone the right to commit holocaust or genocide. You misunderstood me. Perhaps it's too complex for you, or perhaps you choose to misunderstand. No need to reply.
Actually, you did suggest that. Perhaps it is you who does not understand. But if it helps you to think that you are a totally clear and correct person, but that I am one who either does not understand or who chooses to not understand, then go right ahead. Clearly there is no point in discussing anything too serious with you.
I certainly will. I’m currently starting Jimmy Carter’s “Palestine: Peace not Apartheid.” He is my hero and I think the embodiment of a TRUE Christian.
Zionist are Premier Masters in deceit and deception they lie all the time and should never be trusted, and then blame everyone in the world for the trouble they make and create and they have managed to also get America leaders on that Track.
Former President Nixon:
The Jews Are Aggressive and Obnoxious Personalities. They Put the Jewish Interest Above American Interest
and its about Goddam time the Jews Realize that He is an American First and a JEW Second. Richard Nixon ,Nixon Tapes,1972-1973
Except, of course for his National Security chief Brzeziński who plotted out this plan to attack Russia via Ukraine. The rise of the plutocrats started not with Reagan, but with Carter, read up about the Tri-Lateral Commission, the first, great interlocking of business and govt.
Island new book is urgent right now. He goes into the details of the different factions that make up Israel, their complete incompatibility and hatred of the vicious settler factions for the original secular Jews and it's absolutely mind blowing
There has never been a US president who deserves any praise in this regard. Each and every one of them had been criminals. They tend to grow a conscience once they get out of white house. It's like a trend. Fuck them all. Maybe JFK was the only decent one from humanity's perspective.
For eight decades after the end of World War II, America’s proudest title was “Leader of the Free World.” Today, both on grounds of practical leadership and grasp of what it means to be free, we are yielding the title to Israel.
In order to remain free, we, and the world, must pass the Israel Test.
The issues in the Middle East could hardly be simpler. On one side is tyranny, dependency, and resentment; on the other is liberty and its redemptive fruits.
The essence of liberty is self-government, of which political democracy is only one component. Governing others, whether through elections or through bureaucracies, is not the point. First and foremost, liberty means governance of the self.
A self-governing people does not whine. They do not expect to be catered to like children. Unlike the so-called “Palestinians” who depend entirely on funds from Western “charities” – billions annually from the U.S. through the UN – the Israelis give back far more than they take. They assume responsibility for their own fate and flourishing. Israelis don’t complain; they fight. The very essence of Zionism is that no Jew should ever again be a pet, dependent on the forbearance of some alien elite for survival.
A second trait of self-governing naturally follows the first. Free people produce more than they consume. Creative in the image of their creator, they thrive. Even in a world of ever-increasing abundance, fueled by new technology, arbitrary misery can strike, along with plagues and lean years, tempests and earthquakes. Yet even these disasters always seem most to befall regions where liberty and thus prosperity are scarce.
Liberty invites every man to contribute to the general prosperity by work oriented to the needs of others. Tyranny wastes a people’s energy, not merely through bureaucracy and interference from without, but by envy, resentment, and violence. Blaming others for one’s plight is a signal of subservience. If Gaza is a hellhole, the refusal of self-government is what made it so.
Envy is the sin of Cain and leads naturally to murder. The question put repeatedly to a free people, ultimately their Israel Test, is between envy and admiration of excellence. Do you view the exceptional accomplishments of others as examples to admire and emulate, and new sources of opportunity? Or do you greet these achievements with envy and hatred and charge
Applaud you for referring to Ilan Pappe`s work but I doubt he would agree with you last point. All people belong, even if the are brainwashed genocidal murderers. The crimes of the Zionists regime have not happened without complicity , Western Civilization has allowed this abomination to flourish for decades, they all belong, perhaps some belong in jail, but they all belong, but not as superiors , not as occupiers , but as equals. , citizens of Palestine
In another universe. Even HELL is too good for them. If they wish to belong to Earth, they need to change to be compatible with the other life forms on the planet.
Axtually, Israel's ideological soulmates in apartheid South Africa set up much the same thing, called "Bantustans".
These were not recognized by any government outside South Africa and were widely condemned. Once the apartheid regime fell, the Bantustan farce was dismantled.
Canada's Prime Minister, Mark Carney, has just stated that Canada recognizes the state of Palestine but Hamas must go, Palestine cannot have an armed force, and it must be "so to speak, a Zionist Palestine". This two-faced, lying, Zionist POS is as bad as Starmer and Trump. He's in the process of passing legislation in Canada that will allow the government to over-rule indigenous rights, effectively continuing the white genocide of the indigenous population.
Australia's Albanese saiys the same, and probably so do all the others who recently jumped on the Israel recognition dead horse. apparently after consulting with the US and then pretending to act as individual by stretching their announcement over a week. Aspiring the creation of a Bantustan, or several thereof as long term goal.
Good disclosure, Ron. Keep circulating it - many commenters here are not from canada and may not know the wickedness of mark carnivore, who, as a minion of the state, can only talk about formation of more states, so that there can be extra divisiveness, according to psyop plan.
Anyone who suggests that a two state solution—meaning Palestinians and Zionists living as neighbors—might consult with residents of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, or Yemen, to see what being Israel’s neighbor is like. One state is all that’s needed, provided that the right people are living in it. There’s room for Muslims, Christians, Jews, and Buddhists. Zionists should probably find their own country, far away from civilized people.
Zionists come from “civilized" countries, e.g. europe, eastern europe, the UK, North America and the white settler colonies of Australia and Aotearoa. They should go back to where they came from, don't you agree! Free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Norman Finkelstein recently constructively suggested that the zionist inhabitants pack their bags and leave the area, but their prolonged suicide-act is too gripping of them for that.
Apparently there has been an exodus lately - a minority of that deeply racist society, but it's a beginning. Most zionists remain committed to doing themselves in, in the ugliest way possible.
Caitlin, (I know you know this, but this is for other readers), this was ALWAYS about SETTLER-COLONIALISM from the very beginning (with the support of Western powers).
Theodore Herzl had by 1896 already proposed that the future Zionist state would be a mere proxy state, a dependent outpost of the West and Colonial powers that would further their interest in exchange for their backing - exactly what ended up happening.
He wrote "We should form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe which would have to guarantee our existence."
Israel (even before 1948) never wanted a 1-state, 2-state, or any such thing. Their goal was ALWAYS the COMPLETE occupation of the land of Palestine (and more - Eretz Israel). Quite a few people with deep knowledge of the Middle-East knew this, while the majority of the human population was unaware of the extent of this (also due to the suppression and propaganda of Western powers).
PS: this isn't about Netanyahu, the Likud party, or even the extreme-far-right culture of Israel. Whether Israeli leaders come and go, political parties change, etc., Israel will STILL be about settler-colonialism. I really do BLAME the 'collective West' for this.
How any individual, organisation or state can keep yabbering on about a “two-state solution” is beyond me. It is physically impossible. Get rid of the racist state. That’s the only solution.
"...A two-state solution is a fairy tale that western liberals tell each other so they don’t have to face the cold hard reality that the problem is the state of Israel itself."
WELL SAID! Zionism cannot continue if the world is to continue... It must be eliminated for there to be world peace. In other words: When someone tells you who they are--believe them!
So now the truth is finally out. There was never any intention of a 2 state solution. The world has been played using trickery, lies, propaganda, revisionist history and obfuscation to bring us here. The Palestinians have been victimized, demonized, brutally suppressed and suffocated by a Jewish diaspora that has been supporting this abomination they call Israel, economically, politically and socially for decades. Yet we still hear it ringing out how Hamas are the "terrorists" and the Jews scream it with all their heart as they murder children and starve the Palestinians. When are we going to wake up? They are shameless and undeniably proud of what they have "achieved" in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Palestinian land. Antisemitism? Who cares. Reap what you sow. They are the modern day uber equivalent of the Nazis.
All these proponents of the two-state solution ignore the fact that the Palestinians should never be asked to live next door to a bunch of psychopathic genocidaires who have demonstrated over and over again that they want to kill all Palestinians.
Zionist Israel must be either completely destroyed, or completely dismantled and relocated to the USA. Nobody else in the world would want to live with them. The USA deserves to have to live with them. Dump them in a state with lots of Christian Zionists.
I've been coming to that conclusion, too. Does Israel have a right to exist while it commits genocide, attacks its neighbours and breaks every international law in the book?
Israel never had a right to exist from the very beginning. Jewish people have a right to exist in the region IF they can live in peace with the inhabitatants that were living there BEFORE they migrated to Palestine from wherever. (IMHO)
And Palestinian Jews had lived in Palestine for centuries, before the illegal occupation, by non-Semitic Ashkenazi zionists from europe. Free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Jews did not create Eretz Israel. The British Empire did, with help from the American Empire. It was not created for Jews. It was created for Zionists and for the benefit of some Capitalist industries, primarily oil/gas and transoceanic shipping. The military-industrial complex has also benefited from its existence and ongoing wars.
So you approve of the horrors Israel is doing to Gaza because they, the zionists are continueing a genocide they keep telling us they have always intended and, other countries are on their list.
Are you telling us you are a zionist in Palestine?
Not at all. I don’t approve of the genocide and don’t approve of the creation of the Zionist state of Israel.
What I am saying is that the Zionists are not “rogue”. They have not gone “out of control”. They are doing what their cult has been committed to doing with the blessing of the British and American Empires, without which they would never have had any military power.
Stopping the Zionists requires stopping the ongoing support of those empires. That’s a bigger task than merely defeating the IDF and the illegal terrorist “settlers” who seek the reign over the entire region on The Levant.
No state has a right to exist. There is no such right. States exist if they can. Did Yugoslavia have a right to exist? Did Czechoslovakia have a right to exist? Did the German Democratic Republic have a right to exist? They've all disappeared in my lifetime, along with several others.
I would add that same juvenile simplistic formulation exists in the U.S. about the U.S. The liberals foolishly focus their attention and energy on Trump, while the real issues are much larger and systemic. They like to believe that Trump is an evil monster and if we just elect Democrats, everything will get better. Of course, they ignore reality. For example, every president since 1945 has executed unbridled imperialism. And the Democrats led the charge in offshoring jobs and dismantling a free press and welfare systems as well as bailing out bank shareholders rather than the public.
Why should there be a two-state solution? Why should a terroristic genocidal psychotic maniac like Israel be rewarded for doing the most heinous crimes we’ve seen live-streamed to our screens for the last two years? Not to mention those we didn’t know or pretend we didn’t know for the last 77 years. So these colonialists trash can go back where they came from and leave the Palestinians the heck alone
That's right, Caitlin. The State of Israel is the result of the Partition Plan envisaged by Resolution 181 of the United Nations General Assembly, which in turn is the result of the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, with which, at the request of the Rothschilds, the British government envisioned the assignment of Palestine to the Jews. Essentially, the most influential family in control of the banking system that creates and manages the money (first the pound sterling and then the dollar) with which it dominated the world for centuries wanted to directly control a political entity with an international role. To achieve this plan, they used the same method with which capitalism was born two centuries earlier in England: the expropriation of the rural population and their expulsion from the land through terrorism. And now, we come to the day of reckoning.
Like I commented following King Abdullah's speech at the UN, when he ended with recommending the Two-State Solution, the Two-State Solution is a proposal put forward by people who think they are important, who just woke up from their Rip van Winkle doze, but have no idea of what is going on, on the ground. ONE STATE - Palestine. End of discussion. Yes, the Zionist regime is the Problem. All nations should be un-recognizing it and excreting it from the body of nations.
Ilan Pappe’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” gives historical proof that the Zionists have NEVER negotiated in good faith or wanted a two state solution. Once you understand that, and see that the only thing that is different since 10/2023 is the scale of the cruelty and the starvation aspect you can truly come to understand just how abhorrent and sick Zionists are. They do not deserve to belong ANYWHERE on the occupied land of Palestine.
Or anywhere else on this planet, Katherine.
Put Israel on the moon. One State Palestine.
Israel: Leader of the Free World
COMMENTARY
By George Gilder
August 14, 2024
Israel: Leader of the Free WorldAP
For eight decades after the end of World War II, America’s proudest title was “Leader of the Free World.” Today, both on grounds of practical leadership and grasp of what it means to be free, we are yielding the title to Israel.
In order to remain free, we, and the world, must pass the Israel Test.
The issues in the Middle East could hardly be simpler. On one side is tyranny, dependency, and resentment; on the other is liberty and its redemptive fruits.
The essence of liberty is self-government, of which political democracy is only one component. Governing others, whether through elections or through bureaucracies, is not the point. First and foremost, liberty means governance of the self.
A self-governing people does not whine. They do not expect to be catered to like children. Unlike the so-called “Palestinians” who depend entirely on funds from Western “charities” – billions annually from the U.S. through the UN – the Israelis give back far more than they take. They assume responsibility for their own fate and flourishing. Israelis don’t complain; they fight. The very essence of Zionism is that no Jew should ever again be a pet, dependent on the forbearance of some alien elite for survival.
A second trait of self-governing naturally follows the first. Free people produce more than they consume. Creative in the image of their creator, they thrive. Even in a world of ever-increasing abundance, fueled by new technology, arbitrary misery can strike, along with plagues and lean years, tempests and earthquakes. Yet even these disasters always seem most to befall regions where liberty and thus prosperity are scarce.
Liberty invites every man to contribute to the general prosperity by work oriented to the needs of others. Tyranny wastes a people’s energy, not merely through bureaucracy and interference from without, but by envy, resentment, and violence. Blaming others for one’s plight is a signal of subservience. If Gaza is a hellhole, the refusal of self-government is what made it so.
Envy is the sin of Cain and leads naturally to murder. The question put repeatedly to a free people, ultimately their Israel Test, is between envy and admiration of excellence. Do you view the exceptional accomplishments of others as examples to admire and emulate, and new sources of opportunity? Or do you greet these achievements with envy and hatred and charge
Moon ,Yeah this way on the Moon they wont have be among us Lowly, Worthless Gentiles who ,don't have any reason to live except to' Serve Jews and Lick their feet as they Great leader Menachem Begin had said decades ago
Knowing the Jews, they may make something out of it :)
Just as I know that if the Jews leave Israel, the Gaza Muslims will turn it into the same sh*thole that Gaza is today and the whole region was before the Zionists returned there to fix it.
So you have a crystal ball. It's clear that the Zionist state wishes to atomise the West Asian states by any means. Its leaders (and very probably the British) saw from the beginning that the Ottoman state had allowed many communities to live in peace, leaving the door open for the new states' future dismemberment.
I don't. (have a crystal ball)
Zionism is a movement, not a state. The name of the state is Israel, as it has been for THOUSANDS of years.
The only prediction I made was a conditional cliché:
If we can't do it nicely, it will be ugly.
It turned out to be ugly, and the scary antisemitism of people like Caitlin and her readers are not making it any better.
I made this point in:
https://zorkthehun.substack.com/p/the-jewish-solution
but at the end of this one:
https://zorkthehun.substack.com/p/historys-moments
you will have links to the rest of the arguments as well
If you wish to comment on them, please do it there
Bull carp. Your ancestors never even existed at that time. Mine did.
4519 BC(Mota1)Ancient PALESTINE Genetic Distance: 5.948-Y-DNA:Elb1a2b2b Mt-DNA-L3x2a2b: Archeological ID-Mota1-
Zionist return from where, they were never there before the 1800 AD. they are a people who converted in 800 AD and they are living in a Stolen land with a stolen History and stolen legacy, it and was always my own Ancestors land ,we are the first and oldest Humans on earth, Israel and Jews did nit exist when we were on earth thousands of years ago. Read your bible Genesis 2 verse 7 to 15,or go Scientific to the oldest people on Earth any way goy go its my Ancestors not yours .
Post a snip and Show me your Ancestors proof that they were ever anywhere near the mid east or Africa before the 1800 AD. Here's a snip mine .
I heard that Jews are not allowed to show or take their DNA test can you say why? Everyone else can take theirs Palestinians like me have taken ours can show proof .This is part of mine .
4519 BC(Mota1)Ancient PALESTINE Genetic Distance: 5.948-Y-DNA:Elb1a2b2b Mt-DNA-L3x2a2b: Archeological ID-Mota1-
4269 BC(16923)Bronze Age Yehud southern Levant Genetic Distance:21.38
3919 BC(ALA015) Amorite Shell Pendant Alakakh Genetic distance:21.38
3900 BC(I1170)Peqi'in Cave Chalcolithic Levant-mtDNA:T1a2 Y-DNA:T1a1a1b-Genetic Distance: 21.5
3769 BC(I3965)Bronze Age Hazor Upper Galilee-Genetic Distance: 21.2-mtDNA:HV1b3-Y-DNA:J1a2a1a2d2b2
3039 BC((14517)Early Israelite Megiddo-Genetic Distance: 21.16-mtDNA:K1aY-DNA:J1a2a1a2d2b2b2c
2947 BC(14517)Abel Beth Maccah Kingdom Of Israel Y-DNA:Tlalalb2b2blala2 mtDNA:X2 Genetic distance:21.21-Archeological ID-12201# #3013
No other nation on this planet, as far as I know, has the superiority complex of zionists and the need to conquer and destroy anyone it may perceive as a possible "competitor"
Helga, Chuck, gypsy, Katherine: would you say, as I do, that the zionist entity with the beautiful-sounding name is actually ultimately in the act of suicide? I don't assert this as some 'cheering' point being raised; I see the ugliness of it. There's no 'feel-good' in suicide...
Zionism and Nazism are ideologies with many things in common, the first and most influencial to their behaviour is that they consider themselves to be supreme beings. Maybe Zionism adapted some of that thinking from the Nazis. We need to make it so that any symbols representing Zionism are treated in the same way that symbols representing Nazism are treated. They cannot be freely allowed in our world.
Not much difference between them, except for" Zionism "they have built in protection by their very successful brainwashing tool with their Religious Creationist stories
,and have a lot more power ,Money and Influence than the NAZIS, and they are never held accountable or face consequences for any of their numerous crimes
They have more in common that anyone is willing to admit.
"Maybe Zionism adapted some of that thinking from the Nazis."
Alas,the 1st Zionist Congress was a historic meeting in Basel, Switzerland, from August 29–31, 1897, led by Theodor Herzl, that established the World Zionist Organization and formulated the Basel Program. The Basel Program outlined the movement's goal to secure a Jewish homeland in Palestine and set the path for the founding of the State of Israel 51 years later, according to Herzl's prophetic diary entry.
Comrade Hitler at that time was 8 years 4 months old.
The 1-irst Nazi Congress, which was the Danzig Congress of the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP) was held in 1920 in Munich, the party adopted its 25-point program and officially changed its name from the German Workers' Party (DAP) to the NSDAP.
Speaking of Hitler's Nazis: First of all, you have to look at it from a historical perspective. After WW One, during the Weimar Republic, Germany was so very humiliated by the Allies, insulted, made to feel like dirt, inferior, etc. to such a degree that it had to produce someone, anyone, to return hope and pride to the German people, to give them back their self-respect. It practically asked for a Hitler type person to fill this void, to raise the punished fully demoralized people and gave them back their pride and confidence in themselves. This is where Zionism and Nazism differ, or do they?. Nazism was a way to heal a deep wound. But what did Zionism heal? Could it be that Zionism grew out giving Jews back their self-respect after having been driven out of so many nations? What we are dealing with both Nazism and zionism is cause and effect. If you cannot freely allow either one of them in our world, one has to look at cause and effect. You cannot erase and outlaw effects unless you look at the cause of the effect, and eliminate the cause. Zionism was the outcome of anti-semitism, and Hitler's faschism was the effect of the Allied Forces denigration and humiliations of the German people.
I hear what you are saying, but I don't see that being humiliated really gives anyone any right or reason to commit a holocaust or a genocide. It is a very backwards and infantile way of dealing with any problem. From my reading, Zionists and Nazis agreed that the Jews should have their own state. The Nazis wanted the Jews out of Europe and Zionists were convinced that they are "chosen". Supreme beings. Most of us have been hurt and/or humiliated at some point in our lives. Killing and murdering does not bring back our self respect. If self respect means what Israel is doing or what the Nazis did in Germany, then maybe we need to re-define self respect.
I never said that being humiliated gives anyone the right to commit holocaust or genocide. You misunderstood me. Perhaps it's too complex for you, or perhaps you choose to misunderstand. No need to reply.
Actually, you did suggest that. Perhaps it is you who does not understand. But if it helps you to think that you are a totally clear and correct person, but that I am one who either does not understand or who chooses to not understand, then go right ahead. Clearly there is no point in discussing anything too serious with you.
There is no point in replying, as communication seems impossible. Believe whatever makes you happy. Good bye.
Just go away - PLEASE
Read his new book "Israel on the Brink".... it's a real eye opener
I certainly will. I’m currently starting Jimmy Carter’s “Palestine: Peace not Apartheid.” He is my hero and I think the embodiment of a TRUE Christian.
Zionist are Premier Masters in deceit and deception they lie all the time and should never be trusted, and then blame everyone in the world for the trouble they make and create and they have managed to also get America leaders on that Track.
Former President Nixon:
The Jews Are Aggressive and Obnoxious Personalities. They Put the Jewish Interest Above American Interest
and its about Goddam time the Jews Realize that He is an American First and a JEW Second. Richard Nixon ,Nixon Tapes,1972-1973
Except, of course for his National Security chief Brzeziński who plotted out this plan to attack Russia via Ukraine. The rise of the plutocrats started not with Reagan, but with Carter, read up about the Tri-Lateral Commission, the first, great interlocking of business and govt.
Island new book is urgent right now. He goes into the details of the different factions that make up Israel, their complete incompatibility and hatred of the vicious settler factions for the original secular Jews and it's absolutely mind blowing
Ughhhhh.... Ilan's... I hate systems who think they know what I'm saying better than I do!
There has never been a US president who deserves any praise in this regard. Each and every one of them had been criminals. They tend to grow a conscience once they get out of white house. It's like a trend. Fuck them all. Maybe JFK was the only decent one from humanity's perspective.
Thank you for that TSM. I also did not like Carter much. He tried to rehabilitate his image during the later years of his life.
To be fair, I think Carter learned a lot after leaving the White House.
They all do.
I'm not sure that Donald Trump learned very much in the four years after his first term!
Thank you for the suggestion. Just got the audiobook "Israel on the Brink: And the Eight Revolutions that Could Lead to Decolonization and Coexistence" (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222928959-israel-on-the-brink)
It's quite an eye opener for me.
Thank you. Written by who ?
Ilan Pappe
Right. They do not belon anywhere in short.
Spot on!
Israel: Leader of the Free World
COMMENTARY
By George Gilder
August 14, 2024
Israel: Leader of the Free WorldAP
For eight decades after the end of World War II, America’s proudest title was “Leader of the Free World.” Today, both on grounds of practical leadership and grasp of what it means to be free, we are yielding the title to Israel.
In order to remain free, we, and the world, must pass the Israel Test.
The issues in the Middle East could hardly be simpler. On one side is tyranny, dependency, and resentment; on the other is liberty and its redemptive fruits.
The essence of liberty is self-government, of which political democracy is only one component. Governing others, whether through elections or through bureaucracies, is not the point. First and foremost, liberty means governance of the self.
A self-governing people does not whine. They do not expect to be catered to like children. Unlike the so-called “Palestinians” who depend entirely on funds from Western “charities” – billions annually from the U.S. through the UN – the Israelis give back far more than they take. They assume responsibility for their own fate and flourishing. Israelis don’t complain; they fight. The very essence of Zionism is that no Jew should ever again be a pet, dependent on the forbearance of some alien elite for survival.
A second trait of self-governing naturally follows the first. Free people produce more than they consume. Creative in the image of their creator, they thrive. Even in a world of ever-increasing abundance, fueled by new technology, arbitrary misery can strike, along with plagues and lean years, tempests and earthquakes. Yet even these disasters always seem most to befall regions where liberty and thus prosperity are scarce.
Liberty invites every man to contribute to the general prosperity by work oriented to the needs of others. Tyranny wastes a people’s energy, not merely through bureaucracy and interference from without, but by envy, resentment, and violence. Blaming others for one’s plight is a signal of subservience. If Gaza is a hellhole, the refusal of self-government is what made it so.
Envy is the sin of Cain and leads naturally to murder. The question put repeatedly to a free people, ultimately their Israel Test, is between envy and admiration of excellence. Do you view the exceptional accomplishments of others as examples to admire and emulate, and new sources of opportunity? Or do you greet these achievements with envy and hatred and charge
Applaud you for referring to Ilan Pappe`s work but I doubt he would agree with you last point. All people belong, even if the are brainwashed genocidal murderers. The crimes of the Zionists regime have not happened without complicity , Western Civilization has allowed this abomination to flourish for decades, they all belong, perhaps some belong in jail, but they all belong, but not as superiors , not as occupiers , but as equals. , citizens of Palestine
Where do they belong?
In another universe. Even HELL is too good for them. If they wish to belong to Earth, they need to change to be compatible with the other life forms on the planet.
WOW!!! These are powerful feelings! How would you handle the task of getting rid of them?
Wrong question. When will you start asking the right ones?
I honestly don't know what the 'right' question is.
Maybe that's the problem - people watching a live-streamed Genocide and STILL not knowing what questions to ask.
Like telling the Native Americans that they can have a reservation and should be satisfied with staying there.
And then you set up the BIA to tell them how they're even allowed to run their reservations.
https://cooperative-individualism.org/harrell-ray_influence-of-henry-george-on-the-cherokee-nation-1998.htm
Axtually, Israel's ideological soulmates in apartheid South Africa set up much the same thing, called "Bantustans".
These were not recognized by any government outside South Africa and were widely condemned. Once the apartheid regime fell, the Bantustan farce was dismantled.
Except for the 2 which the Colonial apartheid inventor City of London established - the corrupt Swaziland and the poor Lesotho… Never forget that!!!
“Two state solution” my ass.
One part of the “state” in complete wreckage; the other part infested by psychopathic, murder-crazed “settlers”.
THIS sounds completely viable, don’t it just? 🙄
You missed out rapists
Thanks Davina! 👍
Pedophiles, priests, parasites
Canada's Prime Minister, Mark Carney, has just stated that Canada recognizes the state of Palestine but Hamas must go, Palestine cannot have an armed force, and it must be "so to speak, a Zionist Palestine". This two-faced, lying, Zionist POS is as bad as Starmer and Trump. He's in the process of passing legislation in Canada that will allow the government to over-rule indigenous rights, effectively continuing the white genocide of the indigenous population.
Australia's Albanese saiys the same, and probably so do all the others who recently jumped on the Israel recognition dead horse. apparently after consulting with the US and then pretending to act as individual by stretching their announcement over a week. Aspiring the creation of a Bantustan, or several thereof as long term goal.
Basically a revival of the Bantustan concept.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan
I doubt Carney has much support on his solution of this issue, or much else.
Good disclosure, Ron. Keep circulating it - many commenters here are not from canada and may not know the wickedness of mark carnivore, who, as a minion of the state, can only talk about formation of more states, so that there can be extra divisiveness, according to psyop plan.
Ron: what the fuckin fuck!
I am Quebecois on my maternal side w/ some Mohawk ancestry.
Anyone who suggests that a two state solution—meaning Palestinians and Zionists living as neighbors—might consult with residents of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, or Yemen, to see what being Israel’s neighbor is like. One state is all that’s needed, provided that the right people are living in it. There’s room for Muslims, Christians, Jews, and Buddhists. Zionists should probably find their own country, far away from civilized people.
Mars would be perfect isolation. The further away from humans the better then peace could be here on Earth without them.
Zionists come from “civilized" countries, e.g. europe, eastern europe, the UK, North America and the white settler colonies of Australia and Aotearoa. They should go back to where they came from, don't you agree! Free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Norman Finkelstein recently constructively suggested that the zionist inhabitants pack their bags and leave the area, but their prolonged suicide-act is too gripping of them for that.
And go back to where they came from! They'll be your neighbours.
A free and democratic Palestine, with the right of return, for the refugees and their descendants, is the solution. Free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Apparently there has been an exodus lately - a minority of that deeply racist society, but it's a beginning. Most zionists remain committed to doing themselves in, in the ugliest way possible.
Caitlin, (I know you know this, but this is for other readers), this was ALWAYS about SETTLER-COLONIALISM from the very beginning (with the support of Western powers).
Theodore Herzl had by 1896 already proposed that the future Zionist state would be a mere proxy state, a dependent outpost of the West and Colonial powers that would further their interest in exchange for their backing - exactly what ended up happening.
He wrote "We should form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe which would have to guarantee our existence."
Israel (even before 1948) never wanted a 1-state, 2-state, or any such thing. Their goal was ALWAYS the COMPLETE occupation of the land of Palestine (and more - Eretz Israel). Quite a few people with deep knowledge of the Middle-East knew this, while the majority of the human population was unaware of the extent of this (also due to the suppression and propaganda of Western powers).
PS: this isn't about Netanyahu, the Likud party, or even the extreme-far-right culture of Israel. Whether Israeli leaders come and go, political parties change, etc., Israel will STILL be about settler-colonialism. I really do BLAME the 'collective West' for this.
How any individual, organisation or state can keep yabbering on about a “two-state solution” is beyond me. It is physically impossible. Get rid of the racist state. That’s the only solution.
I reckon, two faced self righteous fwits. As Caitlin says if we stamp out ethno-supremacy aka nazism, Israel would cease to exist. Inshallah.
"...A two-state solution is a fairy tale that western liberals tell each other so they don’t have to face the cold hard reality that the problem is the state of Israel itself."
WELL SAID! Zionism cannot continue if the world is to continue... It must be eliminated for there to be world peace. In other words: When someone tells you who they are--believe them!
It could be that younger so-called jews are sickened to the degree that zionist continuance is impossible.
So now the truth is finally out. There was never any intention of a 2 state solution. The world has been played using trickery, lies, propaganda, revisionist history and obfuscation to bring us here. The Palestinians have been victimized, demonized, brutally suppressed and suffocated by a Jewish diaspora that has been supporting this abomination they call Israel, economically, politically and socially for decades. Yet we still hear it ringing out how Hamas are the "terrorists" and the Jews scream it with all their heart as they murder children and starve the Palestinians. When are we going to wake up? They are shameless and undeniably proud of what they have "achieved" in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Palestinian land. Antisemitism? Who cares. Reap what you sow. They are the modern day uber equivalent of the Nazis.
Well summarized!
Suicide is a burst of insanity, I think. In that, there can be no credible, sensible discourse. Gibberish surely takes over.
Please state the relevance to my post, as I am clearly not in your intellectual league...
I was taking off from your mention of the idiotic claim of 'hamas being the terrorists', which is gibberish.
What I'm calling for is more discussion about the mindset or psychology of suicide.
Please don't feel intimidated by anyone. Your post shines, I'd say.
Israel was never a nation, state, or legitimate political entity. It was power play through romantic myth, in other words Jewish fascism.
https://griobhtha1.substack.com/p/dear-zionist
Nuthin romantic about ‘at-there shit, Sean.
Let’s go with psycho.
All these proponents of the two-state solution ignore the fact that the Palestinians should never be asked to live next door to a bunch of psychopathic genocidaires who have demonstrated over and over again that they want to kill all Palestinians.
Zionist Israel must be either completely destroyed, or completely dismantled and relocated to the USA. Nobody else in the world would want to live with them. The USA deserves to have to live with them. Dump them in a state with lots of Christian Zionists.
And hasten the USian down-the-toilet.
I've been coming to that conclusion, too. Does Israel have a right to exist while it commits genocide, attacks its neighbours and breaks every international law in the book?
Israel never had a right to exist from the very beginning. Jewish people have a right to exist in the region IF they can live in peace with the inhabitatants that were living there BEFORE they migrated to Palestine from wherever. (IMHO)
And Palestinian Jews had lived in Palestine for centuries, before the illegal occupation, by non-Semitic Ashkenazi zionists from europe. Free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
A secular state, religious freedom and assimilation of Jewish people with Palestinians.
The consequences of Zionism have caused the obscenity in Gaza.
Israel doesn’t have a right to exist. Period. Israel is a strategic military outpost of the American and British Empires.
No, it does not, it gave up that right on day one.
Jews did not create Eretz Israel. The British Empire did, with help from the American Empire. It was not created for Jews. It was created for Zionists and for the benefit of some Capitalist industries, primarily oil/gas and transoceanic shipping. The military-industrial complex has also benefited from its existence and ongoing wars.
But too many are supporting the rogue zionist state with their stolen money.
One could argue that the Zionist state is not rogue. It is successfully accomplishing what it was designed to do.
The real “enemy” is the sponsors of that Zionist state who profit from it.
So you approve of the horrors Israel is doing to Gaza because they, the zionists are continueing a genocide they keep telling us they have always intended and, other countries are on their list.
Are you telling us you are a zionist in Palestine?
Not at all. I don’t approve of the genocide and don’t approve of the creation of the Zionist state of Israel.
What I am saying is that the Zionists are not “rogue”. They have not gone “out of control”. They are doing what their cult has been committed to doing with the blessing of the British and American Empires, without which they would never have had any military power.
Stopping the Zionists requires stopping the ongoing support of those empires. That’s a bigger task than merely defeating the IDF and the illegal terrorist “settlers” who seek the reign over the entire region on The Levant.
No state has a right to exist. There is no such right. States exist if they can. Did Yugoslavia have a right to exist? Did Czechoslovakia have a right to exist? Did the German Democratic Republic have a right to exist? They've all disappeared in my lifetime, along with several others.
I would add that same juvenile simplistic formulation exists in the U.S. about the U.S. The liberals foolishly focus their attention and energy on Trump, while the real issues are much larger and systemic. They like to believe that Trump is an evil monster and if we just elect Democrats, everything will get better. Of course, they ignore reality. For example, every president since 1945 has executed unbridled imperialism. And the Democrats led the charge in offshoring jobs and dismantling a free press and welfare systems as well as bailing out bank shareholders rather than the public.
Party politics and its mechanisms is a trap for fools.
Why should there be a two-state solution? Why should a terroristic genocidal psychotic maniac like Israel be rewarded for doing the most heinous crimes we’ve seen live-streamed to our screens for the last two years? Not to mention those we didn’t know or pretend we didn’t know for the last 77 years. So these colonialists trash can go back where they came from and leave the Palestinians the heck alone
That's right, Caitlin. The State of Israel is the result of the Partition Plan envisaged by Resolution 181 of the United Nations General Assembly, which in turn is the result of the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, with which, at the request of the Rothschilds, the British government envisioned the assignment of Palestine to the Jews. Essentially, the most influential family in control of the banking system that creates and manages the money (first the pound sterling and then the dollar) with which it dominated the world for centuries wanted to directly control a political entity with an international role. To achieve this plan, they used the same method with which capitalism was born two centuries earlier in England: the expropriation of the rural population and their expulsion from the land through terrorism. And now, we come to the day of reckoning.
Like I commented following King Abdullah's speech at the UN, when he ended with recommending the Two-State Solution, the Two-State Solution is a proposal put forward by people who think they are important, who just woke up from their Rip van Winkle doze, but have no idea of what is going on, on the ground. ONE STATE - Palestine. End of discussion. Yes, the Zionist regime is the Problem. All nations should be un-recognizing it and excreting it from the body of nations.