Ilan Pappe’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” gives historical proof that the Zionists have NEVER negotiated in good faith or wanted a two state solution. Once you understand that, and see that the only thing that is different since 10/2023 is the scale of the cruelty and the starvation aspect you can truly come to understand just how abhorrent and sick Zionists are. They do not deserve to belong ANYWHERE on the occupied land of Palestine.
Zionism and Nazism are ideologies with many things in common, the first and most influencial to their behaviour is that they consider themselves to be supreme beings. Maybe Zionism adapted some of that thinking from the Nazis. We need to make it so that any symbols representing Zionism are treated in the same way that symbols representing Nazism are treated. They cannot be freely allowed in our world.
I certainly will. I’m currently starting Jimmy Carter’s “Palestine: Peace not Apartheid.” He is my hero and I think the embodiment of a TRUE Christian.
Island new book is urgent right now. He goes into the details of the different factions that make up Israel, their complete incompatibility and hatred of the vicious settler factions for the original secular Jews and it's absolutely mind blowing
Zionist are Premier Masters in deceit and deception they le all the time and should never be trusted, and blame everyone in the world for trouble they make and create and they have managed to also get America leaders on that Track.
Former President Nixon:
The Jews Are Aggressive and Obnoxious Personalities. They Put the Jewish Interest Above American Interest
and its about Goddam time the Jews Realize that He is an American First and a JEW Second. Richard Nixon ,Nixon Tapes,1972-1973
Except, of course for his National Security chief Brzeziński who plotted out this plan to attack Russia via Ukraine. The rise of the plutocrats started not with Reagan, but with Carter, read up about the Tri-Lateral Commission, the first, great interlocking of business and govt.
Canada's Prime Minister, Mark Carney, has just stated that Canada recognizes the state of Palestine but Hamas must go, Palestine cannot have an armed force, and it must be "so to speak, a Zionist Palestine". This two-faced, lying, Zionist POS is as bad as Starmer and Trump. He's in the process of passing legislation in Canada that will allow the government to over-rule indigenous rights, effectively continuing the white genocide of the indigenous population.
Australia's Albanese saiys the same, and probably so do all the others who recently jumped on the Israel recognition dead horse. apparently after consulting with the US and then pretending to act as individual by stretching their announcement over a week. Aspiring the creation of a Bantustan, or several thereof as long term goal.
Anyone who suggests that a two state solution—meaning Palestinians and Zionists living as neighbors—might consult with residents of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, or Yemen, to see what being Israel’s neighbor is like. One state is all that’s needed, provided that the right people are living in it. There’s room for Muslims, Christians, Jews, and Buddhists. Zionists should probably find their own country, far away from civilized people.
Caitlin, (I know you know this, but this is for other readers), this was ALWAYS about SETTLER-COLONIALISM from the very beginning (with the support of Western powers).
Theodore Herzl had by 1896 already proposed that the future Zionist state would be a mere proxy state, a dependent outpost of the West and Colonial powers that would further their interest in exchange for their backing - exactly what ended up happening.
He wrote "We should form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe which would have to guarantee our existence."
Israel (even before 1948) never wanted a 1-state, 2-state, or any such thing. Their goal was ALWAYS the COMPLETE occupation of the land of Palestine (and more - Eretz Israel). Quite a few people with deep knowledge of the Middle-East knew this, while the majority of the human population was unaware of the extent of this (also due to the suppression and propaganda of Western powers).
PS: this isn't about Netanyahu, the Likud party, or even the extreme-far-right culture of Israel. Whether Israeli leaders come and go, political parties change, etc., Israel will STILL be about settler-colonialism. I really do BLAME the 'collective West' for this.
How any individual, organisation or state can keep yabbering on about a “two-state solution” is beyond me. It is physically impossible. Get rid of the racist state. That’s the only solution.
"...A two-state solution is a fairy tale that western liberals tell each other so they don’t have to face the cold hard reality that the problem is the state of Israel itself."
WELL SAID! Zionism cannot continue if the world is to continue... It must be eliminated for there to be world peace. In other words: When someone tells you who they are--believe them!
So now the truth is finally out. There was never any intention of a 2 state solution. The world has been played using trickery, lies, propaganda, revisionist history and obfuscation to bring us here. The Palestinians have been victimized, demonized, brutally suppressed and suffocated by a Jewish diaspora that has been supporting this abomination they call Israel, economically, politically and socially for decades. Yet we still hear it ringing out how Hamas are the "terrorists" and the Jews scream it with all their heart as they murder children and starve the Palestinians. When are we going to wake up? They are shameless and undeniably proud of what they have "achieved" in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Palestinian land. Antisemitism? Who cares. Reap what you sow. They are the modern day uber equivalent of the Nazis.
I would add that same juvenile simplistic formulation exists in the U.S. about the U.S. The liberals foolishly focus their attention and energy on Trump, while the real issues are much larger and systemic. They like to believe that Trump is an evil monster and if we just elect Democrats, everything will get better. Of course, they ignore reality. For example, every president since 1945 has executed unbridled imperialism. And the Democrats led the charge in offshoring jobs and dismantling a free press and welfare systems as well as bailing out bank shareholders rather than the public.
I've been coming to that conclusion, too. Does Israel have a right to exist while it commits genocide, attacks its neighbours and breaks every international law in the book?
Israel never had a right to exist from the very beginning. Jewish people have a right to exist in the region IF they can live in peace with the inhabitatants that were living there BEFORE they migrated to Palestine from wherever. (IMHO)
That's right, Caitlin. The State of Israel is the result of the Partition Plan envisaged by Resolution 181 of the United Nations General Assembly, which in turn is the result of the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, with which, at the request of the Rothschilds, the British government envisioned the assignment of Palestine to the Jews. Essentially, the most influential family in control of the banking system that creates and manages the money (first the pound sterling and then the dollar) with which it dominated the world for centuries wanted to directly control a political entity with an international role. To achieve this plan, they used the same method with which capitalism was born two centuries earlier in England: the expropriation of the rural population and their expulsion from the land through terrorism. And now, we come to the day of reckoning.
All these proponents of the two-state solution ignore the fact that the Palestinians should never be asked to live next door to a bunch of psychopathic genocidaires who have demonstrated over and over again that they want to kill all Palestinians.
Zionist Israel must be either completely destroyed, or completely dismantled and relocated to the USA. Nobody else in the world would want to live with them. The USA deserves to have to live with them. Dump them in a state with lots of Christian Zionists.
Caitlin writes: "Israel is the problem. Not Netanyahu. Not Hamas. Not that both sides have tragically failed to sit down and find common ground in good-faith negotiations. The problem is that the west established a state in the middle east which holds as its foundational ideology that the people who were living there before that state was created are less than human, and must never have access to the full spectrum of human rights."
With which I agree, but it's not just Israel. Only with the long-term obfuscation, diversions and open assistance from the US and certain European countries has the charade of a two-state solution been dangled in front of everyone's eyes for decades. What amazes me the most, given that I live in the US and see every day how prostrate every successive US administration is to Israel's crimes (or actively participating in them) is why Russia, China, and others haven't taken more forceful stances to include military or other assistance to Palestinians.
My thoughts exactly. Why in the world do the “saner” superpowers tolerate the U.S. and Israeli war crimes which endanger the entire planet? They have stated they are against the genocide but take no action. I’ll give Putin a break because he is stuck dealing with the other catastrophe in Ukraine which was also perpetrated by the sociopathic, maniacal ruling class in the U.S.
For 40 years I have debated with pro Israelis and over and over I have heard how complex this situation is. But now there are no more hiding places for the western leaders.
Ilan Pappe’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” gives historical proof that the Zionists have NEVER negotiated in good faith or wanted a two state solution. Once you understand that, and see that the only thing that is different since 10/2023 is the scale of the cruelty and the starvation aspect you can truly come to understand just how abhorrent and sick Zionists are. They do not deserve to belong ANYWHERE on the occupied land of Palestine.
Or anywhere else on this planet, Katherine.
Zionism and Nazism are ideologies with many things in common, the first and most influencial to their behaviour is that they consider themselves to be supreme beings. Maybe Zionism adapted some of that thinking from the Nazis. We need to make it so that any symbols representing Zionism are treated in the same way that symbols representing Nazism are treated. They cannot be freely allowed in our world.
Read his new book "Israel on the Brink".... it's a real eye opener
I certainly will. I’m currently starting Jimmy Carter’s “Palestine: Peace not Apartheid.” He is my hero and I think the embodiment of a TRUE Christian.
Island new book is urgent right now. He goes into the details of the different factions that make up Israel, their complete incompatibility and hatred of the vicious settler factions for the original secular Jews and it's absolutely mind blowing
Ughhhhh.... Ilan's... I hate systems who think they know what I'm saying better than I do!
Zionist are Premier Masters in deceit and deception they le all the time and should never be trusted, and blame everyone in the world for trouble they make and create and they have managed to also get America leaders on that Track.
Former President Nixon:
The Jews Are Aggressive and Obnoxious Personalities. They Put the Jewish Interest Above American Interest
and its about Goddam time the Jews Realize that He is an American First and a JEW Second. Richard Nixon ,Nixon Tapes,1972-1973
Except, of course for his National Security chief Brzeziński who plotted out this plan to attack Russia via Ukraine. The rise of the plutocrats started not with Reagan, but with Carter, read up about the Tri-Lateral Commission, the first, great interlocking of business and govt.
Thank you for the suggestion. Just got the audiobook "Israel on the Brink: And the Eight Revolutions that Could Lead to Decolonization and Coexistence" (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222928959-israel-on-the-brink)
It's quite an eye opener for me.
Spot on!
Like telling the Native Americans that they can have a reservation and should be satisfied with staying there.
And then you set up the BIA to tell them how they're even allowed to run their reservations.
https://cooperative-individualism.org/harrell-ray_influence-of-henry-george-on-the-cherokee-nation-1998.htm
“Two state solution” my ass.
One part of the “state” in complete wreckage; the other part infested by psychopathic, murder-crazed “settlers”.
THIS sounds completely viable, don’t it just? 🙄
You missed out rapists
Canada's Prime Minister, Mark Carney, has just stated that Canada recognizes the state of Palestine but Hamas must go, Palestine cannot have an armed force, and it must be "so to speak, a Zionist Palestine". This two-faced, lying, Zionist POS is as bad as Starmer and Trump. He's in the process of passing legislation in Canada that will allow the government to over-rule indigenous rights, effectively continuing the white genocide of the indigenous population.
Australia's Albanese saiys the same, and probably so do all the others who recently jumped on the Israel recognition dead horse. apparently after consulting with the US and then pretending to act as individual by stretching their announcement over a week. Aspiring the creation of a Bantustan, or several thereof as long term goal.
I doubt Carney has much support on his solution of this issue, or much else.
Anyone who suggests that a two state solution—meaning Palestinians and Zionists living as neighbors—might consult with residents of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, or Yemen, to see what being Israel’s neighbor is like. One state is all that’s needed, provided that the right people are living in it. There’s room for Muslims, Christians, Jews, and Buddhists. Zionists should probably find their own country, far away from civilized people.
Mars would be perfect isolation. The further away from humans the better then peace could be here on Earth without them.
Caitlin, (I know you know this, but this is for other readers), this was ALWAYS about SETTLER-COLONIALISM from the very beginning (with the support of Western powers).
Theodore Herzl had by 1896 already proposed that the future Zionist state would be a mere proxy state, a dependent outpost of the West and Colonial powers that would further their interest in exchange for their backing - exactly what ended up happening.
He wrote "We should form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe which would have to guarantee our existence."
Israel (even before 1948) never wanted a 1-state, 2-state, or any such thing. Their goal was ALWAYS the COMPLETE occupation of the land of Palestine (and more - Eretz Israel). Quite a few people with deep knowledge of the Middle-East knew this, while the majority of the human population was unaware of the extent of this (also due to the suppression and propaganda of Western powers).
PS: this isn't about Netanyahu, the Likud party, or even the extreme-far-right culture of Israel. Whether Israeli leaders come and go, political parties change, etc., Israel will STILL be about settler-colonialism. I really do BLAME the 'collective West' for this.
How any individual, organisation or state can keep yabbering on about a “two-state solution” is beyond me. It is physically impossible. Get rid of the racist state. That’s the only solution.
I reckon, two faced self righteous fwits. As Caitlin says if we stamp out ethno-supremacy aka nazism, Israel would cease to exist. Inshallah.
"...A two-state solution is a fairy tale that western liberals tell each other so they don’t have to face the cold hard reality that the problem is the state of Israel itself."
WELL SAID! Zionism cannot continue if the world is to continue... It must be eliminated for there to be world peace. In other words: When someone tells you who they are--believe them!
Isrsel was never a nation, state, or legitimate political entity. It was power play through romantic myth, in other words Jewish fascism.
https://griobhtha1.substack.com/p/dear-zionist
So now the truth is finally out. There was never any intention of a 2 state solution. The world has been played using trickery, lies, propaganda, revisionist history and obfuscation to bring us here. The Palestinians have been victimized, demonized, brutally suppressed and suffocated by a Jewish diaspora that has been supporting this abomination they call Israel, economically, politically and socially for decades. Yet we still hear it ringing out how Hamas are the "terrorists" and the Jews scream it with all their heart as they murder children and starve the Palestinians. When are we going to wake up? They are shameless and undeniably proud of what they have "achieved" in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Palestinian land. Antisemitism? Who cares. Reap what you sow. They are the modern day uber equivalent of the Nazis.
Well summarized!
I would add that same juvenile simplistic formulation exists in the U.S. about the U.S. The liberals foolishly focus their attention and energy on Trump, while the real issues are much larger and systemic. They like to believe that Trump is an evil monster and if we just elect Democrats, everything will get better. Of course, they ignore reality. For example, every president since 1945 has executed unbridled imperialism. And the Democrats led the charge in offshoring jobs and dismantling a free press and welfare systems as well as bailing out bank shareholders rather than the public.
I've been coming to that conclusion, too. Does Israel have a right to exist while it commits genocide, attacks its neighbours and breaks every international law in the book?
Israel doesn’t have a right to exist. Period. Israel is a strategic military outpost of the American and British Empires.
Israel never had a right to exist from the very beginning. Jewish people have a right to exist in the region IF they can live in peace with the inhabitatants that were living there BEFORE they migrated to Palestine from wherever. (IMHO)
No, it does not, it gave up that right on day one.
That's right, Caitlin. The State of Israel is the result of the Partition Plan envisaged by Resolution 181 of the United Nations General Assembly, which in turn is the result of the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, with which, at the request of the Rothschilds, the British government envisioned the assignment of Palestine to the Jews. Essentially, the most influential family in control of the banking system that creates and manages the money (first the pound sterling and then the dollar) with which it dominated the world for centuries wanted to directly control a political entity with an international role. To achieve this plan, they used the same method with which capitalism was born two centuries earlier in England: the expropriation of the rural population and their expulsion from the land through terrorism. And now, we come to the day of reckoning.
All these proponents of the two-state solution ignore the fact that the Palestinians should never be asked to live next door to a bunch of psychopathic genocidaires who have demonstrated over and over again that they want to kill all Palestinians.
Zionist Israel must be either completely destroyed, or completely dismantled and relocated to the USA. Nobody else in the world would want to live with them. The USA deserves to have to live with them. Dump them in a state with lots of Christian Zionists.
Caitlin writes: "Israel is the problem. Not Netanyahu. Not Hamas. Not that both sides have tragically failed to sit down and find common ground in good-faith negotiations. The problem is that the west established a state in the middle east which holds as its foundational ideology that the people who were living there before that state was created are less than human, and must never have access to the full spectrum of human rights."
With which I agree, but it's not just Israel. Only with the long-term obfuscation, diversions and open assistance from the US and certain European countries has the charade of a two-state solution been dangled in front of everyone's eyes for decades. What amazes me the most, given that I live in the US and see every day how prostrate every successive US administration is to Israel's crimes (or actively participating in them) is why Russia, China, and others haven't taken more forceful stances to include military or other assistance to Palestinians.
My thoughts exactly. Why in the world do the “saner” superpowers tolerate the U.S. and Israeli war crimes which endanger the entire planet? They have stated they are against the genocide but take no action. I’ll give Putin a break because he is stuck dealing with the other catastrophe in Ukraine which was also perpetrated by the sociopathic, maniacal ruling class in the U.S.
They don't want to fight us.
I didn't limit their hypothetical options to military action.
For 40 years I have debated with pro Israelis and over and over I have heard how complex this situation is. But now there are no more hiding places for the western leaders.
There's nothing complicated about it. Disband Israel and the world could be at peace, simple.
That would be a start but Israel is only a tool for the west.
If we never start we never get anywhere. One step at a time, get rid of the attack dog then...