Iraq War veteran Mike Prysner, who works for Center on Conscience & War, explains the unprecedented number of conscientious objector (CO) applications the organization has received in the first 24 days of the illegal and immoral war against Iran, and the general sentiment among applicants. He also notes that:
"Most people in the military don't know about our organization. ... Most people in the military don't even understand CO and that CO is an actual option that they have. It's DoD policy. It's military regulation. If you have a firm belief that those beliefs are violated by you participating in war, then you're entitled to an honorable discharge after a process that the military is obligated to follow and respect your beliefs throughout that process. So, it's a powerful tool that's available to service members, but most don't even know what it is and that it's an option that exists. They think it has to be religious or pacifist or things like that. Those things are not true. And so the number of people that have called us and wanted to start applications represents a very small sample size. And for every one of those people that has called us, I always ask them, are there other people in your unit that agree with you? They always say yes. They say that there's other people who want to file a CO but are too scared and intimidated. And there's even more people than that who agree that the war is wrong, wish they didn't have to take part in it, but don't see any other option and feel like they just have to go along with it."
"And again, all this surge came even before we were talking about a ground war and invading. The people that are calling us and saying that they don't want to take part in this, they're not people that think they are going to die. They're not people who are thinking I got to get out of this because I'm not willing to die in this war I don't agree with. These are people who do not want to hurt people in Iran for a war they do not agree with."
My experience of my white middle class country men and women is that they're largely rude self-absorbed consumption-directed shitheads, with certain exceptions in my fleshly and online lives. So it's no wonder that these folks are susceptible to any bullshit media wants to feed them.
I don't disagree with you at all but would expand your group to include people of color, people of working and welfare classes as well because we are all being targeted with these bullshit artists agenda, just different angles to get their desired outcome.
Yes, indeed. I just happened to have the rare displeasure today of hobbling out with my cane among that particular crowd, and the experience was less than thrilling.
But you do also wonder, what you yourself have been "susceptible to" and what bullshit you have "digested" yourself. I mean you're right, my God, the stupidity of people - how many just throw away their lives by obediently going to a war for some obese billionaire golfer.
But I also think about all the stupid shit I've done in my life, and how my take on certain things was (sometimes) far from reality based. So how do you sail your own solitary boat through these waters? Which way do you go? Does any particular direction matter? How do you know?
I don't know that there's any way we can ever fully know, especially in terms of dissecting what exact patterns of BS we fell susceptible to over time. Memory always becomes corrupted in some fashion, even if such an analysis is attempted. So people pay shrinks. Does it help? Sometimes.
Well done for publishing and saying - Peace be upon you by Gaza and Jerusalem - Honour and victory are the allies of the axis of resistance and its allies, and humiliation and shame are for the axis of evil, Epstein Class (USA, Britain, France, Turkey, Qatar, UAE, NATO Governments, Zionist and Israel) and its allies.
Its a ploy as old as time itself. All you have to do to convince a population to go along with war is to convince them that they are under attack while branding the opposition as unpatriotic. We saw this clearly during the run-up to the Iraq War. The US Mass Media dutifully repeated Bush's lies that Saddam possessed WMD's even though the UN's chief WMD inspector said exactly the opposite. Many of us knew Bush was lying and Colin Powell's biggest regret was pushing those lies on the floor of the UN.
And that is why nobody outside of the MAGA bubble trusts a word that Trump says. He says the US was about to be "imminently" struck by Iran without a single shred of evidence. Netenyahu says they are weeks away from a nuclear weapon without a single shred of evidence. And those two MOTHERFUCKERS are burning the world down and causing a new Dark Age because of their lust for war. And the world is paying dearly for the folly of these two corrupt, old men.
"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."
"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."
"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
NATO should be disbanded. It was created at the end of WWII to control Europe for the future. The U.S. forces never left. They still occupy every NATO country.
Why are some people born smarter than others? Why do some people lead lives of mostly poverty and back breaking struggle, and others, born with a silver spoon feeding them?
in hindsight, the holocaust looks like the beginning of the mental sickness that has taken over Israel and much of the world. Now, instead of Nazis, the murderers are Zionists. Battered children sometimes, tho not always, grow up to be battering parents. Not all Germans were or are Nazis. The Zionists have worked hard to change that by ensuring that Jewish children, continueing on into adulthood, are brainwashed to believe that they are supreme beings with the right to take whatever they want, kill whomever they please, and demand that the rest of the world support them or risk being called antisemites. Not all Jews are Zionists but all Jews are less safe with Zionism being taught to others.
You would think, after all the documentaries on the Holocaust, after some very well known films - such as "Schindler's List", and after the UN was founded, and International Laws were codified after World War II, to avoid another holocaust - after all this, including a US Constitution that is suppose to be above all tyrants or abuses of power in the US - you would think another Holocaust could have been avoidable.
And yet here we are. Some of us not for much longer (given our age). But it is astonishing that despite all the documentation we grew up with, the "Never Again" slogan many of us heard frequently in our childhood - that Never Again - has turned into, "Let's Do It Again".
The media talking heads are chosen for their mediocrity. Thinking inside the box comes naturally to them. Their message to the U.S. populace: there is safety in conformity, and we are the ultimate conformists. We are here precisely because we do not challenge authority.
That's their job. Someone's gotta manufacture consent for all this. it is much easier to go through life when you think the people your country bombs are really grateful for it. People are getting the news they want and deserve.
If nothing else NEVER forget. It’s ONE Agenda. Ultimately both parties are the same.
Going into 24 I was hoping Trump was mostly outside those parameters. I saw the election fraud 2020 and Butler PA to placate any concerns.
I am not one to tell you everything is part of some grand script. In fact, I wholeheartedly believe that it’s NOT. The power centers react to events. The goal is to keep themselves at the very top.
Understand the power they have from being able to produce unlimited money. It’s more important than bombs, than energy, than even food.
At least it has been, that’s why we are where we are at. It’s time to put that fairy tale to bed. Or should I say nightmare for a good many people on this planet.
"US Troops Are REFUSING to Fight in Iran War"
Iraq War veteran Mike Prysner, who works for Center on Conscience & War, explains the unprecedented number of conscientious objector (CO) applications the organization has received in the first 24 days of the illegal and immoral war against Iran, and the general sentiment among applicants. He also notes that:
"Most people in the military don't know about our organization. ... Most people in the military don't even understand CO and that CO is an actual option that they have. It's DoD policy. It's military regulation. If you have a firm belief that those beliefs are violated by you participating in war, then you're entitled to an honorable discharge after a process that the military is obligated to follow and respect your beliefs throughout that process. So, it's a powerful tool that's available to service members, but most don't even know what it is and that it's an option that exists. They think it has to be religious or pacifist or things like that. Those things are not true. And so the number of people that have called us and wanted to start applications represents a very small sample size. And for every one of those people that has called us, I always ask them, are there other people in your unit that agree with you? They always say yes. They say that there's other people who want to file a CO but are too scared and intimidated. And there's even more people than that who agree that the war is wrong, wish they didn't have to take part in it, but don't see any other option and feel like they just have to go along with it."
"And again, all this surge came even before we were talking about a ground war and invading. The people that are calling us and saying that they don't want to take part in this, they're not people that think they are going to die. They're not people who are thinking I got to get out of this because I'm not willing to die in this war I don't agree with. These are people who do not want to hurt people in Iran for a war they do not agree with."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GckKhP6bmA
Good. Pity there weren't more of them.
Being continually hit upside the head with a checkbook does tend to distract the mind.
My experience of my white middle class country men and women is that they're largely rude self-absorbed consumption-directed shitheads, with certain exceptions in my fleshly and online lives. So it's no wonder that these folks are susceptible to any bullshit media wants to feed them.
I don't disagree with you at all but would expand your group to include people of color, people of working and welfare classes as well because we are all being targeted with these bullshit artists agenda, just different angles to get their desired outcome.
Yes, indeed. I just happened to have the rare displeasure today of hobbling out with my cane among that particular crowd, and the experience was less than thrilling.
But you do also wonder, what you yourself have been "susceptible to" and what bullshit you have "digested" yourself. I mean you're right, my God, the stupidity of people - how many just throw away their lives by obediently going to a war for some obese billionaire golfer.
But I also think about all the stupid shit I've done in my life, and how my take on certain things was (sometimes) far from reality based. So how do you sail your own solitary boat through these waters? Which way do you go? Does any particular direction matter? How do you know?
I don't know that there's any way we can ever fully know, especially in terms of dissecting what exact patterns of BS we fell susceptible to over time. Memory always becomes corrupted in some fashion, even if such an analysis is attempted. So people pay shrinks. Does it help? Sometimes.
Well done for publishing and saying - Peace be upon you by Gaza and Jerusalem - Honour and victory are the allies of the axis of resistance and its allies, and humiliation and shame are for the axis of evil, Epstein Class (USA, Britain, France, Turkey, Qatar, UAE, NATO Governments, Zionist and Israel) and its allies.
Its a ploy as old as time itself. All you have to do to convince a population to go along with war is to convince them that they are under attack while branding the opposition as unpatriotic. We saw this clearly during the run-up to the Iraq War. The US Mass Media dutifully repeated Bush's lies that Saddam possessed WMD's even though the UN's chief WMD inspector said exactly the opposite. Many of us knew Bush was lying and Colin Powell's biggest regret was pushing those lies on the floor of the UN.
And that is why nobody outside of the MAGA bubble trusts a word that Trump says. He says the US was about to be "imminently" struck by Iran without a single shred of evidence. Netenyahu says they are weeks away from a nuclear weapon without a single shred of evidence. And those two MOTHERFUCKERS are burning the world down and causing a new Dark Age because of their lust for war. And the world is paying dearly for the folly of these two corrupt, old men.
"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."
"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."
"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Yes that is the exact quote I was looking for.
Psychopathic PEDO, TRAITOR Trump, wants NATO dead, so that he can REPLACE it with HIS 'Board of <cough> Peace'!
HE wants to be.......'KING OF THE WORLD'!
(it's obvious!)
NATO should be disbanded. It was created at the end of WWII to control Europe for the future. The U.S. forces never left. They still occupy every NATO country.
It was created to fuck with the Soviet Union. (be 'protected' against)
When the USSR died.....so, too, should have NATO.
Trump is bored of peace more like it.
Trump is "bored to pieces." (And his brain is pretty much broken up in small pieces as well.)
Brainwashed and brain dead. Why do people still pay attention to mass media?
Why are some people born smarter than others? Why do some people lead lives of mostly poverty and back breaking struggle, and others, born with a silver spoon feeding them?
Great job 👏🏻👍🏻💪🏻👊🏻🫶🏻 as always Caitlin 💯🎯
Shared 👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻👊🏻🫶🏻
in hindsight, the holocaust looks like the beginning of the mental sickness that has taken over Israel and much of the world. Now, instead of Nazis, the murderers are Zionists. Battered children sometimes, tho not always, grow up to be battering parents. Not all Germans were or are Nazis. The Zionists have worked hard to change that by ensuring that Jewish children, continueing on into adulthood, are brainwashed to believe that they are supreme beings with the right to take whatever they want, kill whomever they please, and demand that the rest of the world support them or risk being called antisemites. Not all Jews are Zionists but all Jews are less safe with Zionism being taught to others.
You would think, after all the documentaries on the Holocaust, after some very well known films - such as "Schindler's List", and after the UN was founded, and International Laws were codified after World War II, to avoid another holocaust - after all this, including a US Constitution that is suppose to be above all tyrants or abuses of power in the US - you would think another Holocaust could have been avoidable.
And yet here we are. Some of us not for much longer (given our age). But it is astonishing that despite all the documentation we grew up with, the "Never Again" slogan many of us heard frequently in our childhood - that Never Again - has turned into, "Let's Do It Again".
When we say that the world is dominated by money and fear!
Money and Fear. And if a life is simply about Money and Fear - is it worth living? Is the world worth saving, if that is what it has become?
Yes
The media talking heads are chosen for their mediocrity. Thinking inside the box comes naturally to them. Their message to the U.S. populace: there is safety in conformity, and we are the ultimate conformists. We are here precisely because we do not challenge authority.
That's their job. Someone's gotta manufacture consent for all this. it is much easier to go through life when you think the people your country bombs are really grateful for it. People are getting the news they want and deserve.
I wonder whether they do it consciously or they’re really stupid. I’m betting on the latter
Stupidity. Hubris. Racial supremacy.
Claimed supremacy. Unproven by experience.🙂
There are certainly more vile talking heads than Scott Jennings, but is anyone more irritating?
Right on, Caitlin! Sock it to 'em!
If nothing else NEVER forget. It’s ONE Agenda. Ultimately both parties are the same.
Going into 24 I was hoping Trump was mostly outside those parameters. I saw the election fraud 2020 and Butler PA to placate any concerns.
I am not one to tell you everything is part of some grand script. In fact, I wholeheartedly believe that it’s NOT. The power centers react to events. The goal is to keep themselves at the very top.
Understand the power they have from being able to produce unlimited money. It’s more important than bombs, than energy, than even food.
At least it has been, that’s why we are where we are at. It’s time to put that fairy tale to bed. Or should I say nightmare for a good many people on this planet.
I am on Team Humanity!