Olof Palme, Swedish Prime Minister, assassinated 1986, another, like JFK who threatened to steer events in directions away from that which would load the pockets of the Capitalist imperialist cabals with the profits of war. Hasn't it always been war for war's sake?
The US and Israel don’t want a deal — they want submission. If they're losing the war they're about to start, as much as I don’t want it to happen, Israel will not stop until they’ve essentially destroyed Iran even if that means a nuclear strike. They’re insane on the issue and have been for decades.
Hummm, Nope. The few nuclear weapons israel has would not stop the launch of missiles into israel most likely targeting their nuclear reactor. The smoking hole in israel would force most of that tiny New Jersey sized country hopefully somewhere other than the u.s. israel is tiny, and IF what I hear about Iran's first strike capability is true, 2,000 missiles israel would lose most everything on the ground. Iran is a very large country with a prepared mobile military. Iran is not the neutered animal people believe. If Iran stops the war after the u.s. and israel beg it to this time, Iran is far dumber than I think. Never F with people who invented Algebra.
I hope you’re right about Israel’s limited capacity to launch nuclear strikes. The problem is, as far as I can tell, no one really knows what its capacity is — how many nuclear weapons, their delivery system, etc. I don’t pretend to know any of those things but I do know the people with the launch codes appear to be crazed in their zeal to destroy Iran.
Yes, educated guesses are all we have. However, extremely connected people believe israel with it's limited size and few options at delivery have roughly 200 weapons with options of bombs ( Iran new Russian defense system would destroy any aircraft including B-2 bombers, and any aircraft F-35s launched air to ground missiles. You are right, it wouldn't shock me if people are so mentally ill they would build a chain of 100 megaton weapons and detonate them in Tel Aviv. If you can commit Genocide you are capable of anything : (
I would be very happy to see Israel reduced to what they have done to Gaza. Justice at last. Zionism is an apartheid, racist, genocidal ideology worse than any other ism yet known except perhaps Bolshevism which was also Jewish.
So what happens if a nuke goes off in that part of the world? Anyone know? How far can the radiation go? Estimated deaths immediately and in the future?
Great question friend. I do know something about this topic. The limited nuclear launches israel can use is nothing on a country the size of Iran. The weapons israel has are airplane launched what are called tactical weapons under 50 kilotons. They are powerful yet Japan is alive today with two 14 and 16 kiloton weapons dropped on it. If israel drops/launches these small weapons 1 kiloton=1,000 lbs. TNT, the fallout clouds do pose a problem. The Jetstream over Iran moves West to Southwest. I am not saying this would not be a major cleanup for many years, I am saying this is not the end of all as some think. The big problem, if israel was stupid enough to drop nuclear weapons on Iran the worlds financial system would end. Oil would not flow for many, many months. Yes, we know of the israeli suicide pact however it would only be their suicide. I do not think anyone else would launch weapons on the israeli suicide.
The question I find hard to know, would israel be forced to drop nuclear bombs rather than missiles. If so Iran's defenses , S300, S400 Russia's best with Russian targeting would destroy any aircraft into Iran. Does israel have missiles? I have asked that question to people who have far more knowledge than I do, they don't know because israel has never used them IF them have them. The F35 aircraft israel/u.s. have are nuclear capable aircraft, weight is the issue.
I wrote a story some time ago , Run to the Light about nuclear war between China and the u.s before people started talking about the u.s. wanting war.
A multi warhead nuclear (16) cumulative 18-25 megton Russian missile dropped 10 miles Northwest of Chicago, would kill everyone in that 10 mile radius in a 1-2 million deg. vaporization (near surface of the sun). The blast wave, over pressure would flatten everything in a 30 miles radius, the resulting fire storm just 15 mins. later would most likely kill roughly 10 million people.
That is one 25 megaton weapon. The fallout cloud would sweep from Northwest to Southeast. The continued fires would kill many more in the path. If you were 10 miles from the blast, hiding under your desk as we did in grade school with the look of horror on the teachers face. The over pressure would crush you like a boot on the neck of working people.
I have found someone who is incredibility good on the numbers without the emotional attachment of life to each calculation. Ted Postol, brilliant man who I have fact checked through my own research.
He is on several YouTube channels back when israel/u.s. went insane and launched weapons on Iran in June. Damn, Ted should be working on Dark Matter something more useful ha. The other person is someone I met years ago at Los Alamos working where I am. He has an organization that works on public awareness of nuclear weapons/war.
We are stupid people in heated moments so.........
Thank you for quite an informative answer Landru. Currently what I fear is the inability of any US/Israel initial strike to incapacitate Iran like the idiots in the Pentagon/CIA/Trump/Netanyahu - think might be accomplished. (IMO) The 1st strike will be the most critical point of the conflict/war - and I think it's pretty certain the Iranians have prepared for it as much as possible by now.
If Iran command/control does not collapse immediately (very unlikely), then that means the war will already have been lost by the West/Israel - it will be just a matter of time - weeks to a month or two at most. Israel/West cannot militarily sustain a lengthy conflict at all in the region.
I suspect Trump may be using the Armada as a bluff of US strength at the moment - following his supposed "art of the deal" philosophy. But Netanyahu and the aging NeoCons won't. They are the ones who will find a way to launch a 2nd attack on Iran - Netanyahu even going rogue and launching without US permission - attempting to drag Trump and his Armada into the conflict - which Netanyahu and the Zionists have been fantasizing the bloodshed for decades now.
I don't think Iran will hold back as much as they did last time. It depends however just how much damage the Netanyahu/US initial strikes do - how much devastation is caused in the first 48 hours. But the social/political effects have to be also considered on the Iranian population - the Iranian leadership can't just sit back and do nothing every time their country is attacked.
If they do seriously hit back hard, which Iran will most likely be capable of doing - then the nuclear card will be on the table. As you say, Iran is a very large country. Even an initial strike of nuclear weapons would not wipe it out - especially given its state of preparedness. But that doesn't mean the fools in Israel or in the WH might try to do it anyway.
I doubt nuclear escalation would expand to the rest of the world. But I can very easily see if Israel really does feel threatened for its very existence - then it will launch what nuclear weapons it has. It will be suicide of course. But you will then have a nuclear blast and the subsequent radiation in the region - which can be carried by the winds. Not to mention a humanitarian catastrophe the world has not seen since the last two World Wars, and economic devastation.
Maybe Iran's response will be somewhat restrained? Still keeping Israel on some kind of life support, to avoid such a catastrophe? But is that what they want - a perpetual blood letting in the region? Can the leadership handle it with an outraged population? I do think there is some element of bluff coming from the Iranians that they will hit back with everything but the kitchen sink - only to make Netanyahu/Trump think twice about striking the country again. The leadership there is very measured.
But wars have a tendency that once they get started, nobody can hold onto the tiger let out of the cage. When masses of people are dying, and you got one side that is psychotic in their bloodlust - who knows what the outcome might end up being.
Nice people at the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist, however I think they are generous with the time : ) We are attacking Russia's nuclear launch and defense systems including a assassination attempt on Putin so....................... 60 secs. : (
Yes some think it, also small weapons. People estimate israel has 200 bombs. Hopefully Iran ends this before we find out. Crazy isn't it.
I am interested in what the Chinese and Russian cargo planes have been delivering over the last 4-5 months. Yep crazy. Like I say Ted Postol is a true genius in the field. The interesting fact with the Uranium Iran has enriched over the period the treaty ended, could be made into lower yielding warheads in a very short time needing centrifuges in a small warehouse most of the work was already done for fuel rods. That would be the true shocker wouldn't it.
Not the deep ice cave bacteria, dear friend. While I share your predictive fears for 99% of life, it's unlikely that we humans are capable of killing the living planet entirely. Those hidden sources of life that live without sunlight, live (obtain chemical energy) by oxidizing the inorganic elements of the planet itself --- sulfur and iron from deep buried bedrock or in deep ocean hydrothermal vents --- will likely make it through. And if the planet lives, more complex life will likely evolve over Millennia as the hellscape dissipates (the sun's still here for a while).
For me, as a biologist, this is victory. Fuck humans, up with metabolic cellular life -- in whatever form it survives and middle fingers the stupidity of homo ignoramus.
I agree ...... we are a failure of a species - short-sighted, greedy, selfish, cruel and incapable of learning. Our extinction will not be a tragedy. Other species', yes. Ours, no.
I think you have to write in context. Yes an all out full launch war between the u.s., Russia, China would kill all of us, the lucky ones die in the blast, fire storm. The sky would darken for years, the world would be frozen. BTW, radiation at 1,000 si (sivert) causes you to be very ill, 7000 Si and you are dead within hr. We used to use the term REM, Radiation Effects on Man but, that was not the right language. Men and Women do respond differently so...
I am not sure Banker is the right word anymore. It seems bankers take orders from the Oligarchs. I think that was true back to WW2 however the money and control left the bankers hands?
financialization of industry is one of the aspects of imperialism. industrialists are bankers, bankers are industrialists. (equity firms, asset managers, ... finance capital)
Rape and Plunder for finite “resources” and capitalist greed to feed an economic system which requires endless growth and profit. They will kill each other for the last barrel of oil and we and the planet are mere externalities.
He's a New Yorker. He went from MAGA to MIGA in a New York minute. We did not knowingly vote for that. He lied. His popularity is deservedly dropping like a rock. War with Iran will seal his fate. Netanyahu could give a shit. He'll just keep laughing at how stupid we American are.
Always everything to maintain the hegemony of the dollar, without which the USA could no longer sustain the current military expenditures with which it sustains its dominance and would remain merely a heavily indebted country that would have to produce what it consumes instead of creating money out of thin air to pay for the goods purchased from other countries.
And that is why economic pundits in US media always downplay the importance of having the US dollar as the global reserve currency. Paul Krugman was forever saying that it doesn't matter and that BRICS is irrelevant. It's only with Trump, due to his verbal clumsiness, that the mask has come off.
Now the US Empire managers are really getting nervous, and to me that helps explain why there is so much chaotic activity happening across the US sphere of influence: Iran, Syria, Ukraine, Taiwan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Georgia, Venezuela, Somalia, Nigeria. Not to mention the domestic chaos.
Wasn't perfect? You mean because of the hypocrisy of the handwringing of the "threat" that Iran would acquire nukes--presided over by Israel, the US, UK, Russia and German--and German was the only one of those that DIDN'T have nukes, and the ringleader was he only one that had actually used them?
Yes the Obummer deal that died of time. That is the reason it died, Obummer's name on it. The JPCOA. Why, because attacking someone you have a verified treaty with would be questions for some in the un (forever lowercase). Without a treaty, back to war.
What the US should bomb instead is the “only democracy in the middle east”. The armada is close enough. The only path to peace on earth. Do it T, do it for humanity. The entire planet will shower you with love. Your statues will be erected in places you haven’t even heard of. There will be hotels and holidays in your name. You’ll go from pariah to legend in an instant. C’mon…now is the time.
Who with a morsel of pride, would accept a peace prize from a person that should never have received it in the first place? He just proved how low he will gowhen the whole world knows it was never his.
But it was Israel that begged Trump to call for a ceasefire. Israel was on the ropes. As with every other provocation, Iran responded with prudence and caution. The problem now is that if Iran initiates a preemptive strike, they’ll look like the aggressor. In June, they clearly weren’t.
Think how much safer the world would be if Iran, or someone, could neutralize Israel’s nuclear capabilities. That’s the silver lining of the next war, but a very long shot.
The choice wasn't between a ceasefire and Israel surrendering, the choice was between a ceasefire and the US starting a full-scale war with Iran to save Israel.
That’s correct. And that’s exactly the position we’re in today. I have confidence that Iran will survive. The question is whether Israel will, or going large, whether any of us will, given that Israel is governed by clinically diagnosable psychopaths, and that America is governed by clinically diagnosable game
Hummm. I think you are missing the most important detail. IF Iran had continued it would have meant Iran would have to kill many israelis and destroy their infrastructure
which isn't something religious leadership wanted. israel is so small it would be very hard to kill non combatants like idf does Palestinians. Iran and Palestine the only countries with a sense of humanity. This coming war, israelis will leave or live in their bunkers. I think Iran is done playing this over and over and will give the West what it wants and Rapture where we all float to the castle in the sky I enjoy dancing to this tune. Grab Tim and dance in the kitchen : ) We need to dance even for a min. Much love and I owe you more than you know.
Exactly, Caitlin. Iran has to be more careful as it doesn't have a giant sugar daddy that will allow it do anything and everything it wants as Israel has.
I think there will be a falling out between Drumpf and satanyahu; two people with huge egos vying to be top dog, both sure they are the be all and end all of supremacy. Drumpf has a lot going on in the US with his ICE thugs let loose, people are collaborating on how to foil there attacks, Greenland is not for sale, and Scotland is angry about the attack on the tanker off its shore and the abduction of two people who the court said had to remain in Scotland.
When you have two people that think only they can manage the carnage they are causing something is going to give, especially when neither has the smarts to take advice. We also have Drumpf wanting to become head of his UN replacement, at only one billion a head, though he doesn't contribute any money but will be in charge of the billions he hopes to get his sticky fingers on.
All it needs is a nice sharp pin to completely burst their bubbles.
many pins maybe. The Minnesotan and Greenlanders are doing their share. The big looming thing is that a zillion hideously polluting data centers are being shoved everywhere, to feed the AI bubble that is swelling precariously--now there's place for a pin--and what happens when it does will be interesting to see.
You're forgetting the Epstein in the Room. Little doubt there are photos/videos of Trump in the Epstein Files, which are controlled by Satanyahoo & Co.
looks to me like throughout all this, Iran has never wanted war. They've been forced into defensive development but the warmongering has never come from them.
Simple, their government leader are ALL IN with the agenda 2030. Convid era showed exactly who they really are. A Big club but we aren’t allowed in IT.
Trump is also a bankster, and that's exactly why the threats keep coming while the excuses keep changing. Blair pretended to be some kind of internationalist liberal democrat, thus the polite facade and more consistent rhetoric, while he is ever capital's lapdog. Vietnam and Iraq were failed concocted wars of Empire, and nothing other than--but the neoliberal pundits and legacy media tend to call them "wars of choice," without much attention to the interesting details of who made the choices.
I don't know much about what is going on in Iran or how Iranians feel about what's going on, (but I do trust what I read and hear from the regulars on Judge Nap). That leads me to expect that if Amerika or Israel attack Iran, they will respond by shutting down the global economy and devastate Israel and any US military base in the region.
It's way past time the rest of the world told Amerika to pack up all their toys, fuck off home and get back in their box.
Well... maybe 75th time lucky ( I just plucked that number out of thin air. I've got not idea of the actual number of regime change failures Amerika has notched up )
At least this time a few countries are standing up and pushing back. Don't be so negative man, chill out and stop vibing us all out, yeah?.
There is a justification; they just can't say it. The justification is that Israel always has to have an enemy, that enemy must be reduced to ruins, and when it is reduced to ruins, a new enemy must be found.
There’s nothing justified in that though. The act of providing a valid reason, defense, or explanation for an action, making it right, just, or warranted. That’s what signifies a vindication. Unjustified attack is what it is.
Well, what's justified depends on what one's values are. Israel's values do justify her actions; we can see that. She feels pretty pretty damned good about what she does. It's just that she can hardly admit what those values are.
"It’s not about nukes or protesters or dictators or drugs, it’s about ruling the world."
You'd think by now the imperialists would just give up piling on the lies. It must be tiring trying to come up with a new lie all the time. Why not just say, "We have to take over Iran because we want to control their oil production and use it for our own purposes." If you're going to bomb Iran anyway, at least come clean about it, right? Nobody is fooled by the lame excuses anymore.
Actually, almost everybody here at home is fooled by the same lame excuses, every time.
And that is very important, because a whole lot of Americans would rebel against US foreign aggression if they were aware that they live at the center of a ruthless, rapacious empire.
As it is, the vast majority still believe in America as well-intended but clumsy giant trying to bring democracy and human rights to a world living in darkness and despair.
That is the awesome power of the US propaganda machine, and that's why Caitlin stays focused on getting out from under the propaganda cloud.
I can't help but wonder how many people actually believe these lies, or convince themselves that they're not really lies. I'm sure the numbers must be dwindling, but there are diehards who still believe Trump.
There is more propaganda here in Europe............we do not have any (to my knowledge) alternative news. There are 2 newspapers which are not mainstream but do not have a huge following.
I ran would be a fool to take any kind of deal with the blustering bullshit artist, better to be ready for war, than to be sandbagged by the United States of Israel
[insert country here] better come to the negotiating table and stop [insert reason here] or the U.S.A. will bring shock and awe like the world has never seen!
Yes, the ridiculous justifications for a (ruinous) war with Iran just keep coming....But Iran has some highly destructive capabilities, not just in its large inventory of hypersonic missiles, but in its ability to close the Strait of Hormuz almost instantaneously, creating massive shortages of oil in the West....And if Iran has any sense, they have or soon will have, nuclear warheads to hit Israel with.....Don't do it Donald...Your risking a depression ib the US and EU...
Olof Palme, Swedish Prime Minister, assassinated 1986, another, like JFK who threatened to steer events in directions away from that which would load the pockets of the Capitalist imperialist cabals with the profits of war. Hasn't it always been war for war's sake?
War will make corpses of us all.
The US and Israel don’t want a deal — they want submission. If they're losing the war they're about to start, as much as I don’t want it to happen, Israel will not stop until they’ve essentially destroyed Iran even if that means a nuclear strike. They’re insane on the issue and have been for decades.
Hummm, Nope. The few nuclear weapons israel has would not stop the launch of missiles into israel most likely targeting their nuclear reactor. The smoking hole in israel would force most of that tiny New Jersey sized country hopefully somewhere other than the u.s. israel is tiny, and IF what I hear about Iran's first strike capability is true, 2,000 missiles israel would lose most everything on the ground. Iran is a very large country with a prepared mobile military. Iran is not the neutered animal people believe. If Iran stops the war after the u.s. and israel beg it to this time, Iran is far dumber than I think. Never F with people who invented Algebra.
I hope you are right about Iran’s preparedness.
I hope you’re right about Israel’s limited capacity to launch nuclear strikes. The problem is, as far as I can tell, no one really knows what its capacity is — how many nuclear weapons, their delivery system, etc. I don’t pretend to know any of those things but I do know the people with the launch codes appear to be crazed in their zeal to destroy Iran.
Yes, educated guesses are all we have. However, extremely connected people believe israel with it's limited size and few options at delivery have roughly 200 weapons with options of bombs ( Iran new Russian defense system would destroy any aircraft including B-2 bombers, and any aircraft F-35s launched air to ground missiles. You are right, it wouldn't shock me if people are so mentally ill they would build a chain of 100 megaton weapons and detonate them in Tel Aviv. If you can commit Genocide you are capable of anything : (
I would be very happy to see Israel reduced to what they have done to Gaza. Justice at last. Zionism is an apartheid, racist, genocidal ideology worse than any other ism yet known except perhaps Bolshevism which was also Jewish.
So what happens if a nuke goes off in that part of the world? Anyone know? How far can the radiation go? Estimated deaths immediately and in the future?
Great question friend. I do know something about this topic. The limited nuclear launches israel can use is nothing on a country the size of Iran. The weapons israel has are airplane launched what are called tactical weapons under 50 kilotons. They are powerful yet Japan is alive today with two 14 and 16 kiloton weapons dropped on it. If israel drops/launches these small weapons 1 kiloton=1,000 lbs. TNT, the fallout clouds do pose a problem. The Jetstream over Iran moves West to Southwest. I am not saying this would not be a major cleanup for many years, I am saying this is not the end of all as some think. The big problem, if israel was stupid enough to drop nuclear weapons on Iran the worlds financial system would end. Oil would not flow for many, many months. Yes, we know of the israeli suicide pact however it would only be their suicide. I do not think anyone else would launch weapons on the israeli suicide.
The question I find hard to know, would israel be forced to drop nuclear bombs rather than missiles. If so Iran's defenses , S300, S400 Russia's best with Russian targeting would destroy any aircraft into Iran. Does israel have missiles? I have asked that question to people who have far more knowledge than I do, they don't know because israel has never used them IF them have them. The F35 aircraft israel/u.s. have are nuclear capable aircraft, weight is the issue.
I wrote a story some time ago , Run to the Light about nuclear war between China and the u.s before people started talking about the u.s. wanting war.
A multi warhead nuclear (16) cumulative 18-25 megton Russian missile dropped 10 miles Northwest of Chicago, would kill everyone in that 10 mile radius in a 1-2 million deg. vaporization (near surface of the sun). The blast wave, over pressure would flatten everything in a 30 miles radius, the resulting fire storm just 15 mins. later would most likely kill roughly 10 million people.
That is one 25 megaton weapon. The fallout cloud would sweep from Northwest to Southeast. The continued fires would kill many more in the path. If you were 10 miles from the blast, hiding under your desk as we did in grade school with the look of horror on the teachers face. The over pressure would crush you like a boot on the neck of working people.
I have found someone who is incredibility good on the numbers without the emotional attachment of life to each calculation. Ted Postol, brilliant man who I have fact checked through my own research.
He is on several YouTube channels back when israel/u.s. went insane and launched weapons on Iran in June. Damn, Ted should be working on Dark Matter something more useful ha. The other person is someone I met years ago at Los Alamos working where I am. He has an organization that works on public awareness of nuclear weapons/war.
We are stupid people in heated moments so.........
Run to the Light.
Run to the Light
Thank you for quite an informative answer Landru. Currently what I fear is the inability of any US/Israel initial strike to incapacitate Iran like the idiots in the Pentagon/CIA/Trump/Netanyahu - think might be accomplished. (IMO) The 1st strike will be the most critical point of the conflict/war - and I think it's pretty certain the Iranians have prepared for it as much as possible by now.
If Iran command/control does not collapse immediately (very unlikely), then that means the war will already have been lost by the West/Israel - it will be just a matter of time - weeks to a month or two at most. Israel/West cannot militarily sustain a lengthy conflict at all in the region.
I suspect Trump may be using the Armada as a bluff of US strength at the moment - following his supposed "art of the deal" philosophy. But Netanyahu and the aging NeoCons won't. They are the ones who will find a way to launch a 2nd attack on Iran - Netanyahu even going rogue and launching without US permission - attempting to drag Trump and his Armada into the conflict - which Netanyahu and the Zionists have been fantasizing the bloodshed for decades now.
I don't think Iran will hold back as much as they did last time. It depends however just how much damage the Netanyahu/US initial strikes do - how much devastation is caused in the first 48 hours. But the social/political effects have to be also considered on the Iranian population - the Iranian leadership can't just sit back and do nothing every time their country is attacked.
If they do seriously hit back hard, which Iran will most likely be capable of doing - then the nuclear card will be on the table. As you say, Iran is a very large country. Even an initial strike of nuclear weapons would not wipe it out - especially given its state of preparedness. But that doesn't mean the fools in Israel or in the WH might try to do it anyway.
I doubt nuclear escalation would expand to the rest of the world. But I can very easily see if Israel really does feel threatened for its very existence - then it will launch what nuclear weapons it has. It will be suicide of course. But you will then have a nuclear blast and the subsequent radiation in the region - which can be carried by the winds. Not to mention a humanitarian catastrophe the world has not seen since the last two World Wars, and economic devastation.
Maybe Iran's response will be somewhat restrained? Still keeping Israel on some kind of life support, to avoid such a catastrophe? But is that what they want - a perpetual blood letting in the region? Can the leadership handle it with an outraged population? I do think there is some element of bluff coming from the Iranians that they will hit back with everything but the kitchen sink - only to make Netanyahu/Trump think twice about striking the country again. The leadership there is very measured.
But wars have a tendency that once they get started, nobody can hold onto the tiger let out of the cage. When masses of people are dying, and you got one side that is psychotic in their bloodlust - who knows what the outcome might end up being.
Thank you Landru and jamenta for clearing up some nuclear facts for all of us. Even if it's more than horrific to comprehend.
The Doomsday Clock is now at 85 seconds to midnight.
Nice people at the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist, however I think they are generous with the time : ) We are attacking Russia's nuclear launch and defense systems including a assassination attempt on Putin so....................... 60 secs. : (
I thought Israel had nuclear missiles on their submarine fleet.
Yes some think it, also small weapons. People estimate israel has 200 bombs. Hopefully Iran ends this before we find out. Crazy isn't it.
I am interested in what the Chinese and Russian cargo planes have been delivering over the last 4-5 months. Yep crazy. Like I say Ted Postol is a true genius in the field. The interesting fact with the Uranium Iran has enriched over the period the treaty ended, could be made into lower yielding warheads in a very short time needing centrifuges in a small warehouse most of the work was already done for fuel rods. That would be the true shocker wouldn't it.
There is nowhere safe from radiation poisoning. All our nuclear war will destroy life on the planet.
Not the deep ice cave bacteria, dear friend. While I share your predictive fears for 99% of life, it's unlikely that we humans are capable of killing the living planet entirely. Those hidden sources of life that live without sunlight, live (obtain chemical energy) by oxidizing the inorganic elements of the planet itself --- sulfur and iron from deep buried bedrock or in deep ocean hydrothermal vents --- will likely make it through. And if the planet lives, more complex life will likely evolve over Millennia as the hellscape dissipates (the sun's still here for a while).
For me, as a biologist, this is victory. Fuck humans, up with metabolic cellular life -- in whatever form it survives and middle fingers the stupidity of homo ignoramus.
I agree ...... we are a failure of a species - short-sighted, greedy, selfish, cruel and incapable of learning. Our extinction will not be a tragedy. Other species', yes. Ours, no.
Vote D or R to save u.s.!
I think you have to write in context. Yes an all out full launch war between the u.s., Russia, China would kill all of us, the lucky ones die in the blast, fire storm. The sky would darken for years, the world would be frozen. BTW, radiation at 1,000 si (sivert) causes you to be very ill, 7000 Si and you are dead within hr. We used to use the term REM, Radiation Effects on Man but, that was not the right language. Men and Women do respond differently so...
Run to the Light : (
"All the wars are banker wars"
I read this on Instagram but cannot remember the author.
I am not sure Banker is the right word anymore. It seems bankers take orders from the Oligarchs. I think that was true back to WW2 however the money and control left the bankers hands?
financialization of industry is one of the aspects of imperialism. industrialists are bankers, bankers are industrialists. (equity firms, asset managers, ... finance capital)
Is there still a real separation ?
General Smedley Butler, methinks. ''War is a Racket.''
Rape and Plunder for finite “resources” and capitalist greed to feed an economic system which requires endless growth and profit. They will kill each other for the last barrel of oil and we and the planet are mere externalities.
"The tragedy of war is that the young men die fighting each other - rather than their real enemies back home in the capitals.
Every patriot must stand at the ready to defend his country agains its government." —Edward Abbey
"The tragedy of war..." made me think of these lyrics from the song "War Pigs":
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'till their judgment day comes, yeah!
https://youtu.be/LQUXuQ6Zd9w?si=RXZienWyi-IMHJJy
Today I think young people die fighting Androids of many types mostly Drones.
If you stand with Trump, you kneel to Netanyahu.
That's a damn good line.
Steal it!
Did you one better and screen shotted it.
https://x.com/caitoz/status/2016869062719263140?s=20
Yes you did!
Most Trumpers are fine with that, anything to justify their hero.
He's a New Yorker. He went from MAGA to MIGA in a New York minute. We did not knowingly vote for that. He lied. His popularity is deservedly dropping like a rock. War with Iran will seal his fate. Netanyahu could give a shit. He'll just keep laughing at how stupid we American are.
Sure, Trump and his policies are unpopular. It does not matter. His orders are carried out all the same, and that is all that matters
Always everything to maintain the hegemony of the dollar, without which the USA could no longer sustain the current military expenditures with which it sustains its dominance and would remain merely a heavily indebted country that would have to produce what it consumes instead of creating money out of thin air to pay for the goods purchased from other countries.
Bingo! You got that right!
And that is why economic pundits in US media always downplay the importance of having the US dollar as the global reserve currency. Paul Krugman was forever saying that it doesn't matter and that BRICS is irrelevant. It's only with Trump, due to his verbal clumsiness, that the mask has come off.
Now the US Empire managers are really getting nervous, and to me that helps explain why there is so much chaotic activity happening across the US sphere of influence: Iran, Syria, Ukraine, Taiwan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Georgia, Venezuela, Somalia, Nigeria. Not to mention the domestic chaos.
Make a deal on nuclear? Wasn't there already a deal on nuclear between the US and Iran? The one that #45 killed off unilaterally? That deal? FFS!
This time Israel will ensure that the terms are such that Iran will be forced to reject them.
All this to protect a bunch of foreign pedo psychopathic murders? 🤬
Yes, so he did that deliberately.
Yeah there was. It may not have been perfect, but it sure was better than what we got now.🙁😞😢
Wasn't perfect? You mean because of the hypocrisy of the handwringing of the "threat" that Iran would acquire nukes--presided over by Israel, the US, UK, Russia and German--and German was the only one of those that DIDN'T have nukes, and the ringleader was he only one that had actually used them?
Yes, the treaty was verified in person inspection. You are so right, so few know this info.
Because "nuclear weapons" was a pretext. Nothing more.
Yes the Obummer deal that died of time. That is the reason it died, Obummer's name on it. The JPCOA. Why, because attacking someone you have a verified treaty with would be questions for some in the un (forever lowercase). Without a treaty, back to war.
May the hegemon and israhell get their just deserts.
What the US should bomb instead is the “only democracy in the middle east”. The armada is close enough. The only path to peace on earth. Do it T, do it for humanity. The entire planet will shower you with love. Your statues will be erected in places you haven’t even heard of. There will be hotels and holidays in your name. You’ll go from pariah to legend in an instant. C’mon…now is the time.
Dr.Who, And he will win the Nobel peace Prize! Which he has been coveting for ever.
Who with a morsel of pride, would accept a peace prize from a person that should never have received it in the first place? He just proved how low he will gowhen the whole world knows it was never his.
I will never understand why Iran agreed to stop pounding Israel into oblivion during the 12 day war.
Huge numbers of Iranians were getting killed and further escalation would have been disastrous for everyone.
But it was Israel that begged Trump to call for a ceasefire. Israel was on the ropes. As with every other provocation, Iran responded with prudence and caution. The problem now is that if Iran initiates a preemptive strike, they’ll look like the aggressor. In June, they clearly weren’t.
Think how much safer the world would be if Iran, or someone, could neutralize Israel’s nuclear capabilities. That’s the silver lining of the next war, but a very long shot.
The choice wasn't between a ceasefire and Israel surrendering, the choice was between a ceasefire and the US starting a full-scale war with Iran to save Israel.
That’s correct. And that’s exactly the position we’re in today. I have confidence that Iran will survive. The question is whether Israel will, or going large, whether any of us will, given that Israel is governed by clinically diagnosable psychopaths, and that America is governed by clinically diagnosable game
show hosts.
It ain't worth saving!
Yes, the Iron (rusty?) Dome had been breached, and NOBODY was allowed to report on the damage the zionist enemy had received.
'Rusty Dome!'' Lol, love it.
There are no silver linings in war, however much we'd like that to be the case.
I agree, but war is being forced upon Iran.
War is already being waged against Iran. It's merely a question of when she is driven to retaliate.
Yes, but the delay is in Iran's favor as it has had more time to prepare.
It still seems like putting off the inevitable, especially considering that they were striking high-value targets and causing considerable damage.
Hummm. I think you are missing the most important detail. IF Iran had continued it would have meant Iran would have to kill many israelis and destroy their infrastructure
which isn't something religious leadership wanted. israel is so small it would be very hard to kill non combatants like idf does Palestinians. Iran and Palestine the only countries with a sense of humanity. This coming war, israelis will leave or live in their bunkers. I think Iran is done playing this over and over and will give the West what it wants and Rapture where we all float to the castle in the sky I enjoy dancing to this tune. Grab Tim and dance in the kitchen : ) We need to dance even for a min. Much love and I owe you more than you know.
Exactly, Caitlin. Iran has to be more careful as it doesn't have a giant sugar daddy that will allow it do anything and everything it wants as Israel has.
I think there will be a falling out between Drumpf and satanyahu; two people with huge egos vying to be top dog, both sure they are the be all and end all of supremacy. Drumpf has a lot going on in the US with his ICE thugs let loose, people are collaborating on how to foil there attacks, Greenland is not for sale, and Scotland is angry about the attack on the tanker off its shore and the abduction of two people who the court said had to remain in Scotland.
When you have two people that think only they can manage the carnage they are causing something is going to give, especially when neither has the smarts to take advice. We also have Drumpf wanting to become head of his UN replacement, at only one billion a head, though he doesn't contribute any money but will be in charge of the billions he hopes to get his sticky fingers on.
All it needs is a nice sharp pin to completely burst their bubbles.
many pins maybe. The Minnesotan and Greenlanders are doing their share. The big looming thing is that a zillion hideously polluting data centers are being shoved everywhere, to feed the AI bubble that is swelling precariously--now there's place for a pin--and what happens when it does will be interesting to see.
You're forgetting the Epstein in the Room. Little doubt there are photos/videos of Trump in the Epstein Files, which are controlled by Satanyahoo & Co.
looks to me like throughout all this, Iran has never wanted war. They've been forced into defensive development but the warmongering has never come from them.
Simple, their government leader are ALL IN with the agenda 2030. Convid era showed exactly who they really are. A Big club but we aren’t allowed in IT.
Our world is business-first, and iran conforms to that. 'Twould have been bad for business, in other words.
All wars are Banker’s wars. Numpty Trumpty is just another puppet like Blair.
Trump is also a bankster, and that's exactly why the threats keep coming while the excuses keep changing. Blair pretended to be some kind of internationalist liberal democrat, thus the polite facade and more consistent rhetoric, while he is ever capital's lapdog. Vietnam and Iraq were failed concocted wars of Empire, and nothing other than--but the neoliberal pundits and legacy media tend to call them "wars of choice," without much attention to the interesting details of who made the choices.
I don't know much about what is going on in Iran or how Iranians feel about what's going on, (but I do trust what I read and hear from the regulars on Judge Nap). That leads me to expect that if Amerika or Israel attack Iran, they will respond by shutting down the global economy and devastate Israel and any US military base in the region.
It's way past time the rest of the world told Amerika to pack up all their toys, fuck off home and get back in their box.
And fix their own country.
We hear such wishful thinking before every one of America's wars of aggression.
Well... maybe 75th time lucky ( I just plucked that number out of thin air. I've got not idea of the actual number of regime change failures Amerika has notched up )
At least this time a few countries are standing up and pushing back. Don't be so negative man, chill out and stop vibing us all out, yeah?.
Those who wish to live in The Land Of Make Believe will do so, regardless of anything I write.
I'm off to see the Wizard ! One State Palestine is the answer for Peace.
Well put.
Of course there’s no justification at all
There is a justification; they just can't say it. The justification is that Israel always has to have an enemy, that enemy must be reduced to ruins, and when it is reduced to ruins, a new enemy must be found.
This most assuredly won't end with Iran.
But it could be the end of israel.
I hope.
The zionist entity is taking too long in its slow 'chosen people' suicide. Acceleration is required.
A consummation devoutly to be wished -- and no society built on the foundations that Israel rests upon has ever endured.
The question is how much more damage they will do to the US before their state goes into that long good night.
There’s nothing justified in that though. The act of providing a valid reason, defense, or explanation for an action, making it right, just, or warranted. That’s what signifies a vindication. Unjustified attack is what it is.
Well, what's justified depends on what one's values are. Israel's values do justify her actions; we can see that. She feels pretty pretty damned good about what she does. It's just that she can hardly admit what those values are.
Their genocide and dispossession of natives if not justified
"It’s not about nukes or protesters or dictators or drugs, it’s about ruling the world."
You'd think by now the imperialists would just give up piling on the lies. It must be tiring trying to come up with a new lie all the time. Why not just say, "We have to take over Iran because we want to control their oil production and use it for our own purposes." If you're going to bomb Iran anyway, at least come clean about it, right? Nobody is fooled by the lame excuses anymore.
Trump pretty much said that after busting Venezuela when he said he didnt want such a strategic oil reserve in the hands of U.S.A's enemies.
Actually, almost everybody here at home is fooled by the same lame excuses, every time.
And that is very important, because a whole lot of Americans would rebel against US foreign aggression if they were aware that they live at the center of a ruthless, rapacious empire.
As it is, the vast majority still believe in America as well-intended but clumsy giant trying to bring democracy and human rights to a world living in darkness and despair.
That is the awesome power of the US propaganda machine, and that's why Caitlin stays focused on getting out from under the propaganda cloud.
So does anyone know what happens if a nuke goes off in that part of the world? How far can the radiation drift? How will the rest of the world react??
Why? The lies work. The rulers get the wars they so crave. Sure, the pretexts are lies, but the masses take it, over and over.
Exactly, and both drumpf and satanyahu think they should rule the world, which is another one of contention between them.
I can't help but wonder how many people actually believe these lies, or convince themselves that they're not really lies. I'm sure the numbers must be dwindling, but there are diehards who still believe Trump.
Trump and the Swamp don't care if we believe their lies. Also, they're actually quite happy for us to know they don't care. It's a dominance display.
Plenty in Europe.
There is more propaganda here in Europe............we do not have any (to my knowledge) alternative news. There are 2 newspapers which are not mainstream but do not have a huge following.
As a rule, people believe whatever is most convenient to believe.
I ran would be a fool to take any kind of deal with the blustering bullshit artist, better to be ready for war, than to be sandbagged by the United States of Israel
There isn't going to be a deal. Not unless Trump stands up to the Zionists.
It'd be nice if he did -- but I wouldn't hold my breath.
[insert country here] better come to the negotiating table and stop [insert reason here] or the U.S.A. will bring shock and awe like the world has never seen!
Thank you for your attention in this matter
Donald J. Trump
Yes, the ridiculous justifications for a (ruinous) war with Iran just keep coming....But Iran has some highly destructive capabilities, not just in its large inventory of hypersonic missiles, but in its ability to close the Strait of Hormuz almost instantaneously, creating massive shortages of oil in the West....And if Iran has any sense, they have or soon will have, nuclear warheads to hit Israel with.....Don't do it Donald...Your risking a depression ib the US and EU...
But Donald must do as Israel commands.
We are only obeying orders -- as someone else once said.