In the years after WW ll and the Holocaust there was considerable sympathy for the Jewish community and the atrocities they suffered. Now Netanyahu and his fascist Zionists have destroyed that empathy and so much more.
Why do I feel that the so called holocaust was not real but staged and that it was done to set the stage for the real one happening now and been on going since last year?
"Why do I feel that..." - probably because you've read about how the world Zionism collaborated with Hitler and the West to push out Jews from Europe and direct them into Palestine for the future you know what.
In that case, I guess I should believe that the Native Americans collaborated with the US to have themselves driven out of the former territories and onto the most desolate regions of North America.
Yeah, right, it's all part of a big, sneaky Red Indian plan to take over the US and kill everybody else, somewhere in the 22nd century.
And that's absolutely true, because you can't prove I'm wrong!
It has been said that zionists encouraged the Nazi party into rounding up German Jews, and then more encouragement to exterminate them. They then git control of the houses Jews were dragged out of - kinda like the scenes we have, and are still, being of Jews dragging Palestinians from their homes-with IOF help-while zionists takeover the homes of those whose ancestry goes back far into time then spit on them, zionists who have no connection to Palestine or the Middle East at all.
Zionists have a huge amount to answer for, so many wars they got the US to start because they, zionists, wanted a regime change. My word, they have played American leaders so we'll they still don't realise how it happened.
So, the people who caused the holocaust to be rid of as many Jews as possible, then used that holocaust to get unending sympathy and guilt from the humanity. Next they pushed for a homeland in the Middle East, preferably Palestine because they didn't have a standing army, had no idea what merciless hell was about to descendants on them, and we're generally farmers, heather's, and fruit growers; a peaceful people actually.
Zionists being Satanists arrived well armed, raped, pillaged and killed, add to that raping pregnant women then cutting the child from her womb, which is what the lying bastards said Hamas military arm did even though absolutely no evidence of Hamas doing any such thing and, are expressly prevented from doing any thing like that by their holy book, the Quran.
Whereas the rabbis of the Hews tell them they get a blessing for raping men, women but especially children - though they have had to have their third birthday first. Do you see what Palestinians have as occupiers, who rule their every move, every moment of every say and bomb them, starve them and cut of anything and everything that might give a tiniest iota of comfort.
Now, folks, you tell me whch of these mentioned are "The Good Guys" and why we should not send them all back to hell, where they came from.
Wow, thanks for this. Never seen it until now. Killing is a crime, but if it's a non-Jew, there's no punishment. Sure sounds familiar!
And if I thought the Old Testament was a pile of racist, warmongering rubbish before this, to now hear that it was selectively manipulated rubbish just firms up that opinion. Folks should really watch this.
Over the years, I have shared it hundreds of times and, incredibly, most people just don't believe it. The world has been completely blinded to absolute evil!
They certainly do. It surprises me that anyone watching the past 77 years would even be questioning. Young Jewish girls have also spoken up because it happened to them more than once, and by their own relatives with some.
No. It wasn't. But these are not the same people- all of those people who survived the Holocaust are dead.
Israel is now mostly Arabs who came from places like Algeria, purchased Romany children (because they needed to fill out their population), and white Evangelicals from California and Texas who joined for the free stuff and the freedom to be as cruel as they ever imagined.
It's starting to look like jews were the bad guys in WW2, and that after they killed 60 million Christians in Russia they then invaded Germany and places like Spain.
Franco was one of the few able to fight them off. Now they are destroying America.
The only genuine good guys are green, make food from sunlight and minerals, which they get through symbiotic relationships with soil organisms. Then the rest of the biosphere that depends upon all that productivity. Until one reaches Homo. Then the shit hits the fan.
From the POV of Nature, we are all just moving energy/information around her system. Good/bad doesn't come into it.
It just is.
There was also a majorly interesting study done in a Dutch national park, where the rangers, after a particularly bad natural die off, left the animals where they had died. The public went bananas.
And yet the parts (out of view) that the rangers had left, grew wildly in the years afterwards, to become very fertile (Increasing biodiversity and the ability of the area to survive future catastrophes).
Nature, like man, kills. But she doesn't do so out of hatred, or silly ideas. And death becomes the soil for future growth.
I'm not taking Nature's point of view, it's obvious that from Her POV, she's a well-integrated. self-organized, autopoietic complex adaptive system with all the well-regulated energy/matter cycles implied. My comment is strictly MY point of view, as biologist comparing that to the chaos of humanity and its paltry attempts at well-ordered societies. But thanks.
And yet how many of those horrified were vegetarians?
Which really just illustrates how far removed from reality most Westerners are. Out of sight, out of mind. Meat comes from supermarkets - not abattoirs etc.
I blame Christianity and 'consumerist modernism' for this dis-attachment from reality.
And by not thinking about the realities of life and death, we can also disassociate when "Our troops" invade another country for specious airy claims like "For Democracy!" - not mentioning the dead left behind. Over 1.5m Iraqis so far, fx.
"📊 According to a March 2025 poll conducted by Penn State University and published by Haaretz, 47% of Israeli Jews supported the idea that the Israeli army should act like the biblical Israelites in Jericho—killing all inhabitants of a conquered enemy city. This reference is widely interpreted as support for mass killing in Gaza.
Additionally:
- 82% of Israeli Jews supported the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza.
- 56% backed the expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel.
- Among secular Israeli Jews, 70% supported the Gaza expulsion plan.
- A separate poll found 95% of Jewish Israelis believed the military had used either the “appropriate” or “too little” force in Gaza.
These figures reflect a significant level of public support for policies that international legal experts and human rights organizations have described as plausibly genocidal. The use of religious language—such as invoking “Amalek,” a biblical enemy—has also played a role in framing the war as a divine command."
That's why Israel needs to END, permanently. Israel and the US are cancers on Planet Earth. They will jointly end every one of us if they aren't terminated.
Ya, we're the good guys alright. Here's a short video in that vein that I just watched. It amazes me that some people still think we, or our leaders and the powerful in western society, are the good guys.
A great find, definitely sharing. I've been saying for too long that it's not a Jewish problem, I know some very good Jews, but it's a Zionist problem. I've seen and have photos of Traditional Jews protesting what is happening in Palestine so not all Jews are Zionists.
With 82 percent of Israelis supporting the genocide. The Jewish lobbies in the west paying off politicians to do the same. The MSM mostly under Jewish oligarchs control trying to put a pro Israel spin on the news............. it is a Jewish problem.
And I think we understand the 'Jewish lobby' are just a bunch of powerful, evil people interested only in money and control - nothing religious in that.
I'm sure plenty of germans were rabid Nazis as well, until the Red Army showed up at their door and suddenly this chest-thumping "The World Belongs To The Strong" act wasn't so much fun any more.
I know of so many Jewish people who object to this genocide, and have never fallen for the anti-genocide is anti-semitic BS. For sure, it's a Zionist problem, and western leaders are all supporting Israel, so it's all of our problem.
I saw that clip just moments before I saw Caitlin's post. It's so powerful, isn't it?
yeah and while there are fires everywhere because it is just too hot because even though it was clear by 1930 that the earth could be heating up way too much, NOBODY LISTENED. They kept pumping oil, building cars, making more things out of plastic until the world is really fucked up. And now they want to have more wars too. I mean, why not? The world is already so hot it is burning up. May as well finish it off with a few bombs and a bit of genocide here and there.
Don't swallow the climate change b.s., while "they" tell us we can't fly, drive, own anything...and "they" fly around in their private jets, cruise the oceans in their private yachts, flitting from one climate summit to another, in between visiting their multiple mansions. It's all bullshite, it's all about the control and surveillance and depop of us peasants.
If you'd like a helpful reality check on the real state of the climate like, are there really more fires, tornados, heat waves, etc., may I suggest trolling some of the pages of either Watt's Up With That or Climate Discussion Nexus. (be prepared for plenty of snark)
Principia Scientific is also a good source for some very robust, in depth analysis of climate related subjects, studies, or modelling but they also do other subjects so a little scrolling may be needed.
While we are distracted with the climate doom, what's being ignored is the pollution being put out by under regulated corporate industry. How many illnesses or diseases are directly attributable to toxins which by the way is the most under studied subject of a doctors learning.
No, it has nothing to do with denial. They know it's bullshite, it's all about control/depop. Our world has had periods of extreme hot and periods of extreme cold since the beginning of time. It will continue to do so. Wake up - WE are the carbon they want to eliminate.
Who are they? All the reputable scientists I have read plus organizations and reliable studied journalists speak to climate change. Hedges, Nader, Jay, Chomsky to name a few, NASA, Tyee, and on and on all statistically support global worsening climate conditions. Control of the rabble is a different issue. Exploitation of resources pushes change. It is easy to deny in order to exonerate oneself or to have an excuse not to face humankind’s formidable challenge.
Louise Manelie, that's what you get in many substacks - climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers, etc. Such people conflate 'distrust of governments/corporations' with 'distrust of science' - and most of such people have an inadequate background/understanding of science, preferring to base their opinions on 'who they trust as sources' instead of 'evidence-based reasoning and critical thinking'.
What is missing there is that those who own the corporations (and through them the governments) also own "the science" which has been trained by fund starvation to respond like Pavlov's dog to the owner's bell.
they are the billionaires, the oligarchs, whatever you want to call them...the ones telling US that we have to give up things to save the earth, while they continue to fly around on private jets to climate summits. Don't you think it a bit shady that these are the ones lecturing to us? Also, "climate science" is extremely corrupt. Look into who funds these "studies". Wake up!
We are living on an unsustainably overpopulated planet. We should all be looking at ways to address that. Unfortunately 'they' want more of us, not fewer, to buy their crap, use their products and pay their wages.
We both see the same problems, friend, but through slightly different lenses. We, the plebs, should be far fewer, but stronger.
Deeper in this thread you ask "Why do ppl who espouse reducing population, not go first?"
As I can't comment there because of chokaski's block I'll do it here.
It's because these people consider themselves special (they'll deny it though). See, they were produced by their parents for some special purpose - including chastising us for being here and burdening the planet. They don't want competition. They don't want prospective Einsteins and Beethovens.
If they were logical and true to their doctrine then they'd conclude they're too are a burden and would lead by example. But they are frauds.
>>"We are living on an unsustainably overpopulated planet."
I'm not sure that 'overpopulation' is the real problem/issue. It's more about RESOURCE HOARDING and creating 'artificial scarcity' of resources (including resource mismanagement) that CREATE THE ILLUSION that 'overpopulation is the probelm'.
It's not difficult to understand that the planets resources are finite, no matter how they are shared out. We are already in overshoot. We need to consume less, hoard less (yes, definitely) and choose fewer offspring, especially in the 'west'.
Antarctic ice sheets: Correct data misinterpreted ->
The data may be correct, but its interpretation by conspiratorial social media users is not — a situation not helped by the researchers' decision to insert an increasing average trend curve next to the preceding decreasing curve depicting ice mass.
This is perfect fodder for people who are intentionally looking to spread disinformation. Climate science relies on long-term data — typically over 20 to 30 years — to identify meaningful trends. Two, three or even five years are far too little to identify a long-term trend.
Cherry-picking short-term data is a common tactic among climate change deniers. There are always phases where the increase [in temperature] levels off a bit, which people suddenly take to mean: global warming has stopped, the trend is reversing, but it's never turned out to be true.
Here's a list of highly recommended books (for EVERYONE) on thinking clearly on such subjects ->
Stop and think. We have had ice ages and periods of warming. There are the remains of a hemlock forest on the edge of the Arctic Ocean. As glaciers recede they expose evidence of a much warmer planet. These are natural cycles which some use to manipulate you. Try some critical thinking. do some independent research and not just from the stuff your personal views support. Think for yourself not for those who would manipulate you. Ask yourself who stands to profit from a "climate threat". Follow the money.
"Stop and think" isn't really helpful when people lack adequate 'critical thinking skills'. i.e. If someone hasn't learned how to think critically, what use is 'thinking more" using the same 'flawed/biased' thinking processes that are used to arrive at erroneous conclusions?
>>"do some independent research"
Again, independent research is futile if the person doing the 'independent research' does not have a sufficient background in statistics, probability, and interpretation and analysis of research.
>>"Ask yourself who stands to profit from a "climate threat"
Ask yourself, 'who stands to profit from denying climate threat'. Capitalists are focused on profiting REGARDLESS of whether 'climate change is real or not'. If I were a Capitalist, why would I limit my profits by restricting myself to 'just ONE narrative'? Why not profit (as a Capitalist) from ALL narratives? This way, I (as a Capitalist) could increase profits by 'fighting against regulation' on climate change that might restrict my profits. On the flip side, I can sell 'so-called green energy' solutions to increase profits and create new markets under the FALSE GUISE of 'climate science' (i.e. hijack/co-opt the science to 'increase profits' instead of addressing the real consequences of climate change').
Climate change is about SCIENCE, not about PROFITS. If you focus on the 'profits' part of 'why corporations do what they do and why they espouse the narratives that they do', then you've already lost focus on the SCIENCE (which again, the majority of the human population has an insufficient understanding of - and this includes climate-change skeptics AND believers).
Yes, it's real in the fact that the climate always changes, as it has since the beginning of time. We've had extreme cold and extreme heat since even before humankind.
The frightening and astonishing thing is to what an extent the evil swine have appropriated and obfuscated the " good guy" ideal. If that weren't the case, the perpetrators would long ago have run away to hide under their beds from public rage. Instead they strut about the very institutions that are supposed to protect people against creatures like them. Do our chronic moral failings argue for species euthanasia, beyond good and evil? Sorry to ask. Hanging van der leyen, decapitating Merz, garroting Trump, shooting Netanyahu seventy times seven in the smug made in america head are not likely to prevent their glutinous reemergence in a new form...i'm betting on BRICS, multipolarity and a law based international order to partially free us from the good guys defined by Victoria Nuland, who should be drawn and quartered by Ukrainians.
Thanks for those great verses, Caitlin, they tell the truth and reflect a shimmer of hope, for what its worth, springing eternally like a hostile growth in the human breast.
The good guys are using the propaganda to maintain their image. The reality is that good guys don't justify genocide, they don't promote war, they don't support nuclear brinksmanship...the good guys talk about all the problems, but oddly, they are the one's causing them. The good guys are only good because the vast majority of people buy their bullshit. There was a time I did...because I was ignorant...I just hope more people continue to oppose the empire, for the good of humanity.
The good guys are certainly not Israel, USA, UK. Or any supporter of these obscene atrocities by Israel. Repulsive, disgusting doesn’t even begin to fit these deliberate actions of murder of babies, children, human beings. Funny I once felt the same repulsion about Hitlers actions.
Love it - your writing, that is - not of course, its topic.
It is abhorrent that Netanyahu and Trump continue to be free and in positions of authority - even what seems to be absolute power - to commit the most abominable, horrendous and immoral actions which parallel those of demagouges such as Hitler, Amin, and so many others.
The vacks which we were told, you can't spread it, you can't catch it, you won't end up in hospital, you won't die...but yours only worked if everyone got it? And it was all bullshite? I'm hoping you were being sarc.
Once is enough, but it needs to break all the way through so that you can come out on the other side. And it hurts. Man, it hurts. But you heal, and can love again.
In the years after WW ll and the Holocaust there was considerable sympathy for the Jewish community and the atrocities they suffered. Now Netanyahu and his fascist Zionists have destroyed that empathy and so much more.
Why do I feel that the so called holocaust was not real but staged and that it was done to set the stage for the real one happening now and been on going since last year?
"Why do I feel that..." - probably because you've read about how the world Zionism collaborated with Hitler and the West to push out Jews from Europe and direct them into Palestine for the future you know what.
In that case, I guess I should believe that the Native Americans collaborated with the US to have themselves driven out of the former territories and onto the most desolate regions of North America.
Yeah, right, it's all part of a big, sneaky Red Indian plan to take over the US and kill everybody else, somewhere in the 22nd century.
And that's absolutely true, because you can't prove I'm wrong!
Do Native Americans have a mossad?
Good point, Darlene. And is Amerikka supplying them with all the weapons they need?
Do you have documents? Your "belief" would be based on what?
RB Some peoples’ beliefs are the result of schizophrenia.
So, 8 hours later and you didn't answer my questions which were: "Do you have documents? Your "belief" would be based on what?"
I will assume that you just did a drive-by and cannot counter my challenge to your brainfart. Sufficient troll traits, right, "Duane McPherson"? 😉
Zionists collaborated with Hitler ???
Absolutely. See Lenni Brenner's two books:
- Zionism in the age of the dictators https://archive.org/details/zionisminageofdi0000bren
- 51 documents: zionist collaboration with the nazis: https://archive.org/details/lenni-brenner-51-documents-zionist-collaboration-with-the-nazis
Huh? It happened. Check out indigenous perspectives or Gabor Mate or the psychology of the abused perpetuating abuse.
Yes, you also get Nazis, holocaust deniers, and conspiracy theorists. Welcome to substack again!
It has been said that zionists encouraged the Nazi party into rounding up German Jews, and then more encouragement to exterminate them. They then git control of the houses Jews were dragged out of - kinda like the scenes we have, and are still, being of Jews dragging Palestinians from their homes-with IOF help-while zionists takeover the homes of those whose ancestry goes back far into time then spit on them, zionists who have no connection to Palestine or the Middle East at all.
Zionists have a huge amount to answer for, so many wars they got the US to start because they, zionists, wanted a regime change. My word, they have played American leaders so we'll they still don't realise how it happened.
So, the people who caused the holocaust to be rid of as many Jews as possible, then used that holocaust to get unending sympathy and guilt from the humanity. Next they pushed for a homeland in the Middle East, preferably Palestine because they didn't have a standing army, had no idea what merciless hell was about to descendants on them, and we're generally farmers, heather's, and fruit growers; a peaceful people actually.
Zionists being Satanists arrived well armed, raped, pillaged and killed, add to that raping pregnant women then cutting the child from her womb, which is what the lying bastards said Hamas military arm did even though absolutely no evidence of Hamas doing any such thing and, are expressly prevented from doing any thing like that by their holy book, the Quran.
Whereas the rabbis of the Hews tell them they get a blessing for raping men, women but especially children - though they have had to have their third birthday first. Do you see what Palestinians have as occupiers, who rule their every move, every moment of every say and bomb them, starve them and cut of anything and everything that might give a tiniest iota of comfort.
Now, folks, you tell me whch of these mentioned are "The Good Guys" and why we should not send them all back to hell, where they came from.
Do the rabbis really say men will receive a blessing for raping anyone over the age of three? How can this be true? When and where did this originate?
https://youtu.be/YSy6ENVAJlY?si=tlzdbUIK4iMrX_3j
Wow, thanks for this. Never seen it until now. Killing is a crime, but if it's a non-Jew, there's no punishment. Sure sounds familiar!
And if I thought the Old Testament was a pile of racist, warmongering rubbish before this, to now hear that it was selectively manipulated rubbish just firms up that opinion. Folks should really watch this.
Thank you for this link, it makes more things clearer than I had thought possible? He even added a few I had not heard or read before.
Over the years, I have shared it hundreds of times and, incredibly, most people just don't believe it. The world has been completely blinded to absolute evil!
Does AIPAC, the Zionist lobby, and the US government support this?
They certainly do. It surprises me that anyone watching the past 77 years would even be questioning. Young Jewish girls have also spoken up because it happened to them more than once, and by their own relatives with some.
Correct Davina, I’ve seen videos; wish I had a link to them.
Well, now you know.
Who could have had the foresight that the illegal Balfour declaration might come in handy one day?
No. It wasn't. But these are not the same people- all of those people who survived the Holocaust are dead.
Israel is now mostly Arabs who came from places like Algeria, purchased Romany children (because they needed to fill out their population), and white Evangelicals from California and Texas who joined for the free stuff and the freedom to be as cruel as they ever imagined.
Israel is little Poles, Ukrainians and Russians with some redneck Americans thrown in.
No, it has quite a number of people from Algeria, Egypt, Morocco, etc. too.
And they have nothing culturally in common with Europeans
Perhaps because that's how paranoia works?
It's starting to look like jews were the bad guys in WW2, and that after they killed 60 million Christians in Russia they then invaded Germany and places like Spain.
Franco was one of the few able to fight them off. Now they are destroying America.
They don't care, as long as they have power.
The only genuine good guys are green, make food from sunlight and minerals, which they get through symbiotic relationships with soil organisms. Then the rest of the biosphere that depends upon all that productivity. Until one reaches Homo. Then the shit hits the fan.
While I tend to agree with you, you might want to watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuzLXxbGc4c
From the POV of Nature, we are all just moving energy/information around her system. Good/bad doesn't come into it.
It just is.
There was also a majorly interesting study done in a Dutch national park, where the rangers, after a particularly bad natural die off, left the animals where they had died. The public went bananas.
And yet the parts (out of view) that the rangers had left, grew wildly in the years afterwards, to become very fertile (Increasing biodiversity and the ability of the area to survive future catastrophes).
Nature, like man, kills. But she doesn't do so out of hatred, or silly ideas. And death becomes the soil for future growth.
I'm not taking Nature's point of view, it's obvious that from Her POV, she's a well-integrated. self-organized, autopoietic complex adaptive system with all the well-regulated energy/matter cycles implied. My comment is strictly MY point of view, as biologist comparing that to the chaos of humanity and its paltry attempts at well-ordered societies. But thanks.
I can understand why the public was unhappy, since a national park in the Netherlands would be no larger than Central Park in NYC.
And yet how many of those horrified were vegetarians?
Which really just illustrates how far removed from reality most Westerners are. Out of sight, out of mind. Meat comes from supermarkets - not abattoirs etc.
I blame Christianity and 'consumerist modernism' for this dis-attachment from reality.
And by not thinking about the realities of life and death, we can also disassociate when "Our troops" invade another country for specious airy claims like "For Democracy!" - not mentioning the dead left behind. Over 1.5m Iraqis so far, fx.
Out of sight, out of mind.
"📊 According to a March 2025 poll conducted by Penn State University and published by Haaretz, 47% of Israeli Jews supported the idea that the Israeli army should act like the biblical Israelites in Jericho—killing all inhabitants of a conquered enemy city. This reference is widely interpreted as support for mass killing in Gaza.
Additionally:
- 82% of Israeli Jews supported the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza.
- 56% backed the expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel.
- Among secular Israeli Jews, 70% supported the Gaza expulsion plan.
- A separate poll found 95% of Jewish Israelis believed the military had used either the “appropriate” or “too little” force in Gaza.
These figures reflect a significant level of public support for policies that international legal experts and human rights organizations have described as plausibly genocidal. The use of religious language—such as invoking “Amalek,” a biblical enemy—has also played a role in framing the war as a divine command."
Co-Pilot
That's why Israel needs to END, permanently. Israel and the US are cancers on Planet Earth. They will jointly end every one of us if they aren't terminated.
This.
I'm wondering if the Jewish population of Penn State Uni is very representative of Israel?
Sample is of Israel's population, not Penn State...
Oh, okay, I missed that small detail, thanks.
Ya, we're the good guys alright. Here's a short video in that vein that I just watched. It amazes me that some people still think we, or our leaders and the powerful in western society, are the good guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVZYKPe0L64
A great find, definitely sharing. I've been saying for too long that it's not a Jewish problem, I know some very good Jews, but it's a Zionist problem. I've seen and have photos of Traditional Jews protesting what is happening in Palestine so not all Jews are Zionists.
With 82 percent of Israelis supporting the genocide. The Jewish lobbies in the west paying off politicians to do the same. The MSM mostly under Jewish oligarchs control trying to put a pro Israel spin on the news............. it is a Jewish problem.
Those 82% of Israelis are probably not even Jews.
Jews outside the Zionist colony know it's wrong.
And I think we understand the 'Jewish lobby' are just a bunch of powerful, evil people interested only in money and control - nothing religious in that.
I'm sure plenty of germans were rabid Nazis as well, until the Red Army showed up at their door and suddenly this chest-thumping "The World Belongs To The Strong" act wasn't so much fun any more.
ABSOLUTELY Reno.
No
Absolutely... YES!
And most of those Israelis are just recent converts who wanted free stuff
I know of so many Jewish people who object to this genocide, and have never fallen for the anti-genocide is anti-semitic BS. For sure, it's a Zionist problem, and western leaders are all supporting Israel, so it's all of our problem.
I saw that clip just moments before I saw Caitlin's post. It's so powerful, isn't it?
Sometimes your work leaves me speechless. This particular one I feel uncomfortably numb. Respectfully and fondly.
You know how it goes, the only requirement for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing.
Time to make a stand or humanity will live on their knees forever, provided they still have all their limbs.
When do we go what are we waiting for?
Perhaps it's more a case of we should already be there!
yeah and while there are fires everywhere because it is just too hot because even though it was clear by 1930 that the earth could be heating up way too much, NOBODY LISTENED. They kept pumping oil, building cars, making more things out of plastic until the world is really fucked up. And now they want to have more wars too. I mean, why not? The world is already so hot it is burning up. May as well finish it off with a few bombs and a bit of genocide here and there.
Don't swallow the climate change b.s., while "they" tell us we can't fly, drive, own anything...and "they" fly around in their private jets, cruise the oceans in their private yachts, flitting from one climate summit to another, in between visiting their multiple mansions. It's all bullshite, it's all about the control and surveillance and depop of us peasants.
It feels pretty hot to me today. And there are fires burning all over the world. "They" are either in denial or just living it up while they can.
If you'd like a helpful reality check on the real state of the climate like, are there really more fires, tornados, heat waves, etc., may I suggest trolling some of the pages of either Watt's Up With That or Climate Discussion Nexus. (be prepared for plenty of snark)
Principia Scientific is also a good source for some very robust, in depth analysis of climate related subjects, studies, or modelling but they also do other subjects so a little scrolling may be needed.
While we are distracted with the climate doom, what's being ignored is the pollution being put out by under regulated corporate industry. How many illnesses or diseases are directly attributable to toxins which by the way is the most under studied subject of a doctors learning.
No, it has nothing to do with denial. They know it's bullshite, it's all about control/depop. Our world has had periods of extreme hot and periods of extreme cold since the beginning of time. It will continue to do so. Wake up - WE are the carbon they want to eliminate.
Who are they? All the reputable scientists I have read plus organizations and reliable studied journalists speak to climate change. Hedges, Nader, Jay, Chomsky to name a few, NASA, Tyee, and on and on all statistically support global worsening climate conditions. Control of the rabble is a different issue. Exploitation of resources pushes change. It is easy to deny in order to exonerate oneself or to have an excuse not to face humankind’s formidable challenge.
Louise Manelie, that's what you get in many substacks - climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers, etc. Such people conflate 'distrust of governments/corporations' with 'distrust of science' - and most of such people have an inadequate background/understanding of science, preferring to base their opinions on 'who they trust as sources' instead of 'evidence-based reasoning and critical thinking'.
Welcome to substack!
What is missing there is that those who own the corporations (and through them the governments) also own "the science" which has been trained by fund starvation to respond like Pavlov's dog to the owner's bell.
It's obvious to most. But so apocalyptically awful, some choose to deny as it's easier
they are the billionaires, the oligarchs, whatever you want to call them...the ones telling US that we have to give up things to save the earth, while they continue to fly around on private jets to climate summits. Don't you think it a bit shady that these are the ones lecturing to us? Also, "climate science" is extremely corrupt. Look into who funds these "studies". Wake up!
We are living on an unsustainably overpopulated planet. We should all be looking at ways to address that. Unfortunately 'they' want more of us, not fewer, to buy their crap, use their products and pay their wages.
We both see the same problems, friend, but through slightly different lenses. We, the plebs, should be far fewer, but stronger.
Overpopulation is a myth.
Deeper in this thread you ask "Why do ppl who espouse reducing population, not go first?"
As I can't comment there because of chokaski's block I'll do it here.
It's because these people consider themselves special (they'll deny it though). See, they were produced by their parents for some special purpose - including chastising us for being here and burdening the planet. They don't want competition. They don't want prospective Einsteins and Beethovens.
If they were logical and true to their doctrine then they'd conclude they're too are a burden and would lead by example. But they are frauds.
>>"We are living on an unsustainably overpopulated planet."
I'm not sure that 'overpopulation' is the real problem/issue. It's more about RESOURCE HOARDING and creating 'artificial scarcity' of resources (including resource mismanagement) that CREATE THE ILLUSION that 'overpopulation is the probelm'.
(Here is a link to a note I posted in this context -> https://substack.com/@changchokaski/note/c-60730279)
It's both.
It's not difficult to understand that the planets resources are finite, no matter how they are shared out. We are already in overshoot. We need to consume less, hoard less (yes, definitely) and choose fewer offspring, especially in the 'west'.
So, how do you explain the fact that the Antarctic Ice Cap is growing?
Antarctic ice sheets: Correct data misinterpreted ->
The data may be correct, but its interpretation by conspiratorial social media users is not — a situation not helped by the researchers' decision to insert an increasing average trend curve next to the preceding decreasing curve depicting ice mass.
This is perfect fodder for people who are intentionally looking to spread disinformation. Climate science relies on long-term data — typically over 20 to 30 years — to identify meaningful trends. Two, three or even five years are far too little to identify a long-term trend.
Cherry-picking short-term data is a common tactic among climate change deniers. There are always phases where the increase [in temperature] levels off a bit, which people suddenly take to mean: global warming has stopped, the trend is reversing, but it's never turned out to be true.
Here's a list of highly recommended books (for EVERYONE) on thinking clearly on such subjects ->
(1) "May Contain Lies: How Stories, Statistics and Studies Exploit Our Biases - And What We Can Do About It" by Alex Edmans (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/203304088)
(2) "Damned Lies and Statistics: Untangling Numbers from the Media, Politicians, and Activists" by Joel Best (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15808032)
(3) "Lying Numbers: How Maths and Statistics Are Twisted and Abused" by Hugh Barker (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57405867)
(4) "A Field Guide to Lies: Critical Thinking in the Information Age" by Daniel J. Levitin (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28504537)
conspiratorial social media users, anti vaxxers, climate deniers...did I miss any of your ad hominems?
You just displayed your ignorance by not understanding what an 'ad hominem' is. Look it up - educate yourself.
The latter
Troll alert!
Moe is trolling you.
Please don't feed the troll.
Stop and think. We have had ice ages and periods of warming. There are the remains of a hemlock forest on the edge of the Arctic Ocean. As glaciers recede they expose evidence of a much warmer planet. These are natural cycles which some use to manipulate you. Try some critical thinking. do some independent research and not just from the stuff your personal views support. Think for yourself not for those who would manipulate you. Ask yourself who stands to profit from a "climate threat". Follow the money.
>>"Stop and think."
"Stop and think" isn't really helpful when people lack adequate 'critical thinking skills'. i.e. If someone hasn't learned how to think critically, what use is 'thinking more" using the same 'flawed/biased' thinking processes that are used to arrive at erroneous conclusions?
>>"do some independent research"
Again, independent research is futile if the person doing the 'independent research' does not have a sufficient background in statistics, probability, and interpretation and analysis of research.
>>"Ask yourself who stands to profit from a "climate threat"
Ask yourself, 'who stands to profit from denying climate threat'. Capitalists are focused on profiting REGARDLESS of whether 'climate change is real or not'. If I were a Capitalist, why would I limit my profits by restricting myself to 'just ONE narrative'? Why not profit (as a Capitalist) from ALL narratives? This way, I (as a Capitalist) could increase profits by 'fighting against regulation' on climate change that might restrict my profits. On the flip side, I can sell 'so-called green energy' solutions to increase profits and create new markets under the FALSE GUISE of 'climate science' (i.e. hijack/co-opt the science to 'increase profits' instead of addressing the real consequences of climate change').
Climate change is about SCIENCE, not about PROFITS. If you focus on the 'profits' part of 'why corporations do what they do and why they espouse the narratives that they do', then you've already lost focus on the SCIENCE (which again, the majority of the human population has an insufficient understanding of - and this includes climate-change skeptics AND believers).
No, Moe is NOT trolling...fuk off. You just don't want to engage with anyone who thinks differently from you.
No. It's real. But you're correct in that it's only the poor who will suffer. 'They' will not address it, because 'they' will not be affected by it
But their children sure will.
Yes, it's real in the fact that the climate always changes, as it has since the beginning of time. We've had extreme cold and extreme heat since even before humankind.
The frightening and astonishing thing is to what an extent the evil swine have appropriated and obfuscated the " good guy" ideal. If that weren't the case, the perpetrators would long ago have run away to hide under their beds from public rage. Instead they strut about the very institutions that are supposed to protect people against creatures like them. Do our chronic moral failings argue for species euthanasia, beyond good and evil? Sorry to ask. Hanging van der leyen, decapitating Merz, garroting Trump, shooting Netanyahu seventy times seven in the smug made in america head are not likely to prevent their glutinous reemergence in a new form...i'm betting on BRICS, multipolarity and a law based international order to partially free us from the good guys defined by Victoria Nuland, who should be drawn and quartered by Ukrainians.
Thanks for those great verses, Caitlin, they tell the truth and reflect a shimmer of hope, for what its worth, springing eternally like a hostile growth in the human breast.
That poem brings tears
The good guys are using the propaganda to maintain their image. The reality is that good guys don't justify genocide, they don't promote war, they don't support nuclear brinksmanship...the good guys talk about all the problems, but oddly, they are the one's causing them. The good guys are only good because the vast majority of people buy their bullshit. There was a time I did...because I was ignorant...I just hope more people continue to oppose the empire, for the good of humanity.
The good guys are certainly not Israel, USA, UK. Or any supporter of these obscene atrocities by Israel. Repulsive, disgusting doesn’t even begin to fit these deliberate actions of murder of babies, children, human beings. Funny I once felt the same repulsion about Hitlers actions.
Hello? Anybody out there?
Where are the warriors?
Asking for a Palestinian child.
Yours is next.
That's a poem in itself...
Love it - your writing, that is - not of course, its topic.
It is abhorrent that Netanyahu and Trump continue to be free and in positions of authority - even what seems to be absolute power - to commit the most abominable, horrendous and immoral actions which parallel those of demagouges such as Hitler, Amin, and so many others.
A lot of trolls in the comment room today.
Please do not feed the trolls.
Just ignore them.
Peace and Love to all.
Hey, duane! Tell us how you can know if someone's a troll, oh troll-master!
Peace and love to all, except the ones duane declares to be trolls!
How do we know you're not a troll?
Climate change is real and vaccines work.
Yes! And pigs fly.
The vacks which we were told, you can't spread it, you can't catch it, you won't end up in hospital, you won't die...but yours only worked if everyone got it? And it was all bullshite? I'm hoping you were being sarc.
How many times can my heart break ...
Once is enough, but it needs to break all the way through so that you can come out on the other side. And it hurts. Man, it hurts. But you heal, and can love again.