You forget the Minsk Agreement and the Ukrainian government killing Ukrainians for the last 8 years and NATO/US breaking agreements about the expansion of NATO and support of Nazis and corruption...
I would give my home away if it saved thousands of lives including my own. You can rebuild a home. Once a life is gone, it is gone. Caitlin is right - you people treat this like its some kind of video game. There is no reset button here. You don't get to replay a scenario if you die.
And thousands are dying or being maimed for life. And over what? For a country that once was part of Russia for many many years, and where the West covertly installed a Western puppet government? As if the US is some kind of representative of freedom when we all know it has become the exact opposite of that - a repressive, totalitarian government that is now spying on its own people, censoring, and starting wars abroad indiscriminately whenever its oligarchs feel like it? The US certainly has no moral high ground to speak of. Is that really worth dying for? For destroying an entire country over?
If that is a serious comment then you have successfully entered the competition for the stupidest comment of the year but I have to say that the competition from likeminded people is pretty fierce.
Are you not aware that the people of the Donbass are Ethnic Russian whose ancestors have been living on those lands for hundreds if not thousands of years and always considered themselves as part of the Russian cultural nation. They were prepared to live peaceably with the people who did not consider themselves part of the Russian nation until they started getting terrorized and slaughtered (remember Odessa) by shelling from the UNA and affiliated Nazi militias, having their language banned and their history erased.
Neither they nor Putin wanted the Ukrainian territory they merely wanted to live in peace within their culture but the freakshow that is Washington warmongers and Neocons wouldn't have it nor a Russia that was not acceptably submissive to them.
It's great when someone can, in so few words, put in a nutshell what is so bloody wrong with the fuckery going on with people who wave their nationalistic dick flags around while not having the slightest understanding how much human life is being extinguished everyday in unimaginable, horrific ways. These same, dick flag waving idiots would change their tune within an hour of being in an actual warzone.
My Ukrainian contacts, including the nominally pro-regime voices, report that any less than full-on war fever is a good way to get a visit from the secret police, with all that those words entail.
My guess is the situation there re the population in recent years is similar to what Germany's was in the 1930's with the caveat that in Germany more folks genuinely bought the ideology whereas in Ukraine it has to be more "stimulated" by its Gestapo equivalent.
According to Wikipedia (not the best source, I know) there are about 30,000 SBU agents, making it a HUGE secret police force, even if that number is very high (6x MI5 and MI6 combined!). That is a lot of people watching what Ukrainians say and do.
This huge number of SBU agents was already around before the US got really involved after the 2014 coup. Ukraine has been really corrupt since the fall of the Soviet Union.
That would seem to make a lot of sense. But what to make of Gonzalo Lira, living somewhere in Eastern Ukraine, who makes daily podcasts in total support of the Russians, and has been doing so since the war started? Sometimes I wonder if he's actually living across the border in Russia.
IIRC Lira did get picked up and detained for some days earlier in the year, and it was the online international outcry that got him released. Don't quote me on that.
Lira has a profile and sort of protection from the countries he's a citizen of. Would look really bad to disappear him so openly. Besides, they see how the wall of their propaganda drowns the likes of Lira's so they don't care much.
Having read yet another incisive indictment of Anglosphere perversion, I am hard pressed to figure out who is more of a despicable coward - the NAFO trolls of the North identified here, or that special breed, originating from the United States of Arseholes who operate remote controlled drones out of Rammstein. Putin cannot be criticised for his resolve in protecting his nation from the influence of these perverts and psychopaths. And people like Chris Hedges and Noam Chomsky who persist in branding Putin the 'brutal criminal' should shut the fuck up.
Dude's talking about some American journalist when every single British government leader has called Putin a "brutal criminal" or some variation thereof.
Well at least she mentioned London this time because that's where 75% of the responsibility lies. And I mean for everything--training of Azov Battalion nazis, NAFO Twitter bros, sabotage on the battlefield as well as in diplomatic circles. Isn't it interesting how Jeremy Corbyn had to travel to America to talk about a ceasefire? It's because that topic has been banned in Britain, even from the left!
London is the Calcutta of the American empire... there is no "responsibility" there - nor in other europen capitals, for what matters - except for being subservient vassals and traitors of the british people, as nothing is done outside washington fist control
we were discussing the current responsability :)... no doubt the british empire has a curriculum of warmongering, invasions, ethnical cleaning and other war crimes still top standing in human history
Fact check--true. But if you talk to average Brits, they think they "gave" India civilization and a railroad, and their altruism goes unappreciated to this day.
This war could have been prevented and Biden and his administration could have negotiated way back in March. Instead they sent arms and puffed up their bravado that Zelenski was a freedom fighter for all of us . What a joke and bad boomerang this will turn out to be for the ever rallying cries of the neocons. No, the “Russia, Russia,Russia” narrative over the last nth years is a worn out refrain. And what is even worse is the fact that it’s dangerous and has hurt us all. Going back to the table and reordering, reforming, and/or reaffirming the Minsk agreements would have/and will have a much better outcome for all the regular citizens of Ukraine as well as Russia. Remember these people maybe just chessmen for corrupt leaders with no integrity roaming in both NATO and Eastern corrupted systems of old. Just stop this insanity and settle this sandbox fight before it becomes worse. We’ve lost enough lives.
The same thing happened with covid. While "unvaxxed" nurses and first responders (and basically blue collar workers) were engaged in the battle, the zoom crowd blue check mark heroes were safely ensconced at home screaming for mandates while bravely nursing their coffee cups.
Only way to have peace anywhere is to get USA and UK out of the cabal. Those two 'empires' feed on conflict, both domestically and as foreign policy. And when we want comments from some with military background, Colonel Douglas McGregor and Intelligence Officer Scott Ritter seems to be among the few that come across as people with integrity and intelligence. Somehow these traits seem to be lost when getting into the higher ranks! David Petraeus is a posterboy for the inset of idiocy, dishonesty and greed.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way. The only politician I hear seriously calling all parties to sit down and talk about this is Putin, who has been at it for many years. The U.S. Empire well knows this yet does all it can to devote its resources to bloodshed and devastation. Is it really too late to even PRETEND that we're sane?
I do understand. Having listened to dozens of his talks/interviews, I see VP as a sincere, intelligent statesman. It IS our manipulated, syncophantic, sold out nutless wonders who've been leading the world to hell, since "Columbus sailed the ocean blue."
The stuff about cheesepuffs and pornhub....please. Some wars are worth fighting, and advocating. This one may not be. But both sides elsewhere are debating it far from the front lines.
War isn't the worst thing that can happen to you. Genocidal occupation is worse, and most people recognise that. Ask the East Timorese. When a process of imperial expansion - as was the case in the Ukraine - becomes a war of national defence, the politics immediately shift, and become more complex. And not deserving of cheap shots about cheese puffs
No American who was raised here on McDonald's & KFC should EVER be allowed to comment on war and how a war affects HUMAN LIVES!!! Brilliant as usual, Caitlin...".rather than sitting at home eating cheese puffs with one hand and tweeting with the other acting as a pro bono Pentagon propagandist between visits to Pornhub while other people die for your cause"
It's true that those who have never been at risk of death or dismemberment can blithely call for more violence. They think war is a video game to be played until all your opponents are obliterated and you win a big jackpot for the highest score. It's time we sent these couch potato-wannabe warriors into the middle of the action so they can learn the hard way what the word "war" truly means.
anyone with a Ukraine flag in their social media bios should be sent to the front lines immediately
It looks like you have retired FBI agents trolling you.
Probably not retired.
Like saying anyone who wants a ceasefire peace deal to consist of giving away Ukrainian lands should give their homes away instead?
You forget the Minsk Agreement and the Ukrainian government killing Ukrainians for the last 8 years and NATO/US breaking agreements about the expansion of NATO and support of Nazis and corruption...
I would give my home away if it saved thousands of lives including my own. You can rebuild a home. Once a life is gone, it is gone. Caitlin is right - you people treat this like its some kind of video game. There is no reset button here. You don't get to replay a scenario if you die.
And thousands are dying or being maimed for life. And over what? For a country that once was part of Russia for many many years, and where the West covertly installed a Western puppet government? As if the US is some kind of representative of freedom when we all know it has become the exact opposite of that - a repressive, totalitarian government that is now spying on its own people, censoring, and starting wars abroad indiscriminately whenever its oligarchs feel like it? The US certainly has no moral high ground to speak of. Is that really worth dying for? For destroying an entire country over?
If that is a serious comment then you have successfully entered the competition for the stupidest comment of the year but I have to say that the competition from likeminded people is pretty fierce.
Are you not aware that the people of the Donbass are Ethnic Russian whose ancestors have been living on those lands for hundreds if not thousands of years and always considered themselves as part of the Russian cultural nation. They were prepared to live peaceably with the people who did not consider themselves part of the Russian nation until they started getting terrorized and slaughtered (remember Odessa) by shelling from the UNA and affiliated Nazi militias, having their language banned and their history erased.
Neither they nor Putin wanted the Ukrainian territory they merely wanted to live in peace within their culture but the freakshow that is Washington warmongers and Neocons wouldn't have it nor a Russia that was not acceptably submissive to them.
To the front, immediately!
It's great when someone can, in so few words, put in a nutshell what is so bloody wrong with the fuckery going on with people who wave their nationalistic dick flags around while not having the slightest understanding how much human life is being extinguished everyday in unimaginable, horrific ways. These same, dick flag waving idiots would change their tune within an hour of being in an actual warzone.
You want war. Youre against negotiations.
Then go get the war you want at the front.
My Ukrainian contacts, including the nominally pro-regime voices, report that any less than full-on war fever is a good way to get a visit from the secret police, with all that those words entail.
My guess is the situation there re the population in recent years is similar to what Germany's was in the 1930's with the caveat that in Germany more folks genuinely bought the ideology whereas in Ukraine it has to be more "stimulated" by its Gestapo equivalent.
1930s and 40s Germany is their literal hero and role model.
They are not making a secret out of it. Only our western MSM are.
Certainly Azov etc strongly smell of SA. Similar function, similar effect.
I think that is fair.
"Ukraine is Hicksville"
dude this kind of bullshit was already weird before internet and mobile phones
According to Wikipedia (not the best source, I know) there are about 30,000 SBU agents, making it a HUGE secret police force, even if that number is very high (6x MI5 and MI6 combined!). That is a lot of people watching what Ukrainians say and do.
Odd, for such a Free And Democratic Country whose government enjoys the unqualified support of all its people, they sure need watching.
This huge number of SBU agents was already around before the US got really involved after the 2014 coup. Ukraine has been really corrupt since the fall of the Soviet Union.
That would seem to make a lot of sense. But what to make of Gonzalo Lira, living somewhere in Eastern Ukraine, who makes daily podcasts in total support of the Russians, and has been doing so since the war started? Sometimes I wonder if he's actually living across the border in Russia.
IIRC Lira did get picked up and detained for some days earlier in the year, and it was the online international outcry that got him released. Don't quote me on that.
Lira has a profile and sort of protection from the countries he's a citizen of. Would look really bad to disappear him so openly. Besides, they see how the wall of their propaganda drowns the likes of Lira's so they don't care much.
I have no idea what Lira's real story is, especially after he was abducted by the secret police and then let go.
Having read yet another incisive indictment of Anglosphere perversion, I am hard pressed to figure out who is more of a despicable coward - the NAFO trolls of the North identified here, or that special breed, originating from the United States of Arseholes who operate remote controlled drones out of Rammstein. Putin cannot be criticised for his resolve in protecting his nation from the influence of these perverts and psychopaths. And people like Chris Hedges and Noam Chomsky who persist in branding Putin the 'brutal criminal' should shut the fuck up.
Dude's talking about some American journalist when every single British government leader has called Putin a "brutal criminal" or some variation thereof.
And while I am at it here, is it not about time that Noam returned Jimmy's cigarette lighter ?
Our moral tradition includes:
Do not kill
Treat others the way you would like to be treated
Play nice
Share
Love your enemies
Many consider war a necessary evil
I could agree if we remove "a necessary"
I understand the need to defend and therefore have the means to do that
However, most wars are about greed and power
They are evil
The instigators are engaged in evil behavior
The foundation of empires is built on evil invading
and killing and stealing
Colonialism is evil
History glorifying war and conquest as written by western (or any) civilization is all about justifying evil
Well at least she mentioned London this time because that's where 75% of the responsibility lies. And I mean for everything--training of Azov Battalion nazis, NAFO Twitter bros, sabotage on the battlefield as well as in diplomatic circles. Isn't it interesting how Jeremy Corbyn had to travel to America to talk about a ceasefire? It's because that topic has been banned in Britain, even from the left!
Conveniently today's Grayzone: https://thegrayzone.com/2022/11/03/british-spies-terror-army-ukraine/
💕thanks!
London is the Calcutta of the American empire... there is no "responsibility" there - nor in other europen capitals, for what matters - except for being subservient vassals and traitors of the british people, as nothing is done outside washington fist control
Sure thing, it's not like Britain has a history of warmongering or anything, I'm sure the Yanks made them invade China twice!
we were discussing the current responsability :)... no doubt the british empire has a curriculum of warmongering, invasions, ethnical cleaning and other war crimes still top standing in human history
Their history in India was brutal.
Fact check--true. But if you talk to average Brits, they think they "gave" India civilization and a railroad, and their altruism goes unappreciated to this day.
yes, and commonwealth was a sacrifice not an exploitation continuation attempt by other means
This war could have been prevented and Biden and his administration could have negotiated way back in March. Instead they sent arms and puffed up their bravado that Zelenski was a freedom fighter for all of us . What a joke and bad boomerang this will turn out to be for the ever rallying cries of the neocons. No, the “Russia, Russia,Russia” narrative over the last nth years is a worn out refrain. And what is even worse is the fact that it’s dangerous and has hurt us all. Going back to the table and reordering, reforming, and/or reaffirming the Minsk agreements would have/and will have a much better outcome for all the regular citizens of Ukraine as well as Russia. Remember these people maybe just chessmen for corrupt leaders with no integrity roaming in both NATO and Eastern corrupted systems of old. Just stop this insanity and settle this sandbox fight before it becomes worse. We’ve lost enough lives.
The same thing happened with covid. While "unvaxxed" nurses and first responders (and basically blue collar workers) were engaged in the battle, the zoom crowd blue check mark heroes were safely ensconced at home screaming for mandates while bravely nursing their coffee cups.
Only way to have peace anywhere is to get USA and UK out of the cabal. Those two 'empires' feed on conflict, both domestically and as foreign policy. And when we want comments from some with military background, Colonel Douglas McGregor and Intelligence Officer Scott Ritter seems to be among the few that come across as people with integrity and intelligence. Somehow these traits seem to be lost when getting into the higher ranks! David Petraeus is a posterboy for the inset of idiocy, dishonesty and greed.
Any adult that seriously uses the terms “good guys” and “bad guys” when not speaking with a child is a nuanceless moron.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way. The only politician I hear seriously calling all parties to sit down and talk about this is Putin, who has been at it for many years. The U.S. Empire well knows this yet does all it can to devote its resources to bloodshed and devastation. Is it really too late to even PRETEND that we're sane?
I do understand. Having listened to dozens of his talks/interviews, I see VP as a sincere, intelligent statesman. It IS our manipulated, syncophantic, sold out nutless wonders who've been leading the world to hell, since "Columbus sailed the ocean blue."
Those farthest away from poor people are the most judgemental.
The closer we come to those classes or groups of people or events we judge the more understanding of what it's about we become.
We begin to sense our common humanity and realize there but for fortune...
When we face that it is all inside each one of us we begin to heal and have compassion for all of us.
Tack Caitlin!
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Thanks Caitlin!
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The stuff about cheesepuffs and pornhub....please. Some wars are worth fighting, and advocating. This one may not be. But both sides elsewhere are debating it far from the front lines.
War isn't the worst thing that can happen to you. Genocidal occupation is worse, and most people recognise that. Ask the East Timorese. When a process of imperial expansion - as was the case in the Ukraine - becomes a war of national defence, the politics immediately shift, and become more complex. And not deserving of cheap shots about cheese puffs
No American who was raised here on McDonald's & KFC should EVER be allowed to comment on war and how a war affects HUMAN LIVES!!! Brilliant as usual, Caitlin...".rather than sitting at home eating cheese puffs with one hand and tweeting with the other acting as a pro bono Pentagon propagandist between visits to Pornhub while other people die for your cause"
It's true that those who have never been at risk of death or dismemberment can blithely call for more violence. They think war is a video game to be played until all your opponents are obliterated and you win a big jackpot for the highest score. It's time we sent these couch potato-wannabe warriors into the middle of the action so they can learn the hard way what the word "war" truly means.