There were 3 months of elite negotiations preceding the vote. It looks like the nationalists "won", but they must have agreed to absolve the globalists of their crimes and perfidies...
Trump stated in public that he would not go after Hunter Biden a couple of weeks ago.
Why would he? The loser son of a loser president, who is not the slightest threat to Trump. I would hope he has more pressing concerns and enemies to go after, not useless small fry like Sniffy Hunter.
There's always a few sacrificial lambs deemed 'acceptable collateral damage', friend. It's just that they are probably never going to be Slick Willie and the wife he often left at home whilst out philandering; Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, Victoria Nuland, Madeleine Albright etc etc; and what about Nancy Pelosi, Lindsey Graham, and all the rest of the corrupt insider traders on the Hill??
Matt Taibbi long ago detailed how the US was actually similarly to post-soviet Russian state of oligarchy. In every way. Elections are really just factional battles among the elite.
This presidential race with tactical lawfare and even murrky assassins involved even, was yet another example.
Such things are forbidden to be published in mainstream media.
Maybe so, I don't have to have read something first to express my own personal opinions though. And I don't have to say 'Ooh, Matt Taibbi. My new Chief Rabbi/Archbishop of journalistic truth', either....
Depends what Diddy has on other politicians, I guess. They'll go after him if he can only take down Hollywood, they won't go after him if he can bring down half the Hill.
I guess that depends on whether the FBI made those videos, whether Diddy sent them to the FBI as a trading package, or whether others at those parties made them as insurance policies.
No coincidence that this is happening just as the Democrats leave office.
No chance of any misdemeanours Trump, Musk, Kushner et al may or may not have committed coming to the attention of the FBI in the near future, is there?
I guess the 'security services' have always, but always been political in nature.
To add further to the coming days in paradise, Mike, will be the new government (yes, as it was with the old) where the Zionist parasites, now having a firm base for four years, will now seriously add to the Zionisation of the Constitution of the United States of America, the lack of free speech, Holocaust Museums in every town, prisons packed with antiSemites and further assistance for Israel to create the USA holiday colony on the shores af Gaza (check Trump’s son-in-law fr detals). where the controlling Israeli government will gradually (with US support, naturally) take over the Middle Eastern oil and gas fields to provide a continuous supply for the USA, currently sitting at only 8 years of reserves.
It took some managing, but it has been done. We’ve been Trumped.
As they rid the mainland of unwanted immigrants, a promise by Trump, so you will see a startling increase in the very welcome immigrants from Israel, just to occupy the new roles replacing the likes of Democratically inclined senior bureaucrats as they are weeded out from critical positions of power. Naturally, it happens with the senior Cabinet as back come the likes of Pompeo, (what a calamity that will be). Replacing the next level down by the thousands will be a much simpler task.
All the parasitic Israelis, Neocons, Zionists, Christian Zionists, all AIPACERS of course, the unofficial White House.
The next step in the Zionisation of the USA starts in January 2025.
The door is open and the the driver will soon to be at the wheel.
He went from calling Trump “America’s Hitler” and Nixonian to being his VP, the man has a sinister mind indeed + no core beliefs which makes him dangerous— though I think he is a rank amateur next to Abbott of TX, and wishes he could be that ingenious in evil deeds.
So agree. Not being American but living close and half my family lives in 'the States' - when the numbers started to come in consistently in favour of Trump/Vance ticket - I was horrified when I looked up Vance. Whew! And - I agree with the commenters that said Biden stayed too long after being obviously senile. And not being a B-grade actor like Ronald Reagan, Biden couldn't fake it. I dont like Trump or Harris's foreign policy - which really impacts me and things and people I care about. Both the Dems and Rep serve the top 5%. Just different extremely rich within that 5%.
So agree. Looked him up last night when numbers persisted. He is not only cunning - but unconscionably immoral while 'looking good' and 'awe shucks' young! He can out-con Trump who comes off as an oaf - but is anything but.
Yup. Just like shitlibs screamed when Covid killed people during Trump, but then went silent when it killed during Biden. More people died during Biden, but….
I'm frankly relieved for the English language. At least Trump is occasionally capable of delivering simple declarative sentences; I don't think I ever heard Kamala do so, not without the accompanying word salad of claudicating "clarifiers" and abundant hand-waving.
That's actually really funny (and that's coming from someone who would never vote for either corporate candidate in a trillion years). I never looked at it that way. Thanks for that truism.
Well - they are in opposition - that is their role. And like during the last Trump admin they will champion all sorts of causes but not do much when they next have governing power. May do some things domestically but still serve the American global elites when in power.
I also wonder if the rest of the West (Europe, Canada, Australia, etc) might become more critical of US policy now that Trump is in charge.
I also wonder how the rest of the world will respond.
I think there might be a small chance that since Trump is now in charge, people will be more prepared to speak up against the genocide - and America might move towards becoming a pariah nation. A small chance, I admit. But possible.
I am a registered Green, who's been voting as such since 1996 (having been a Dem for a couple decades previously), having to write-in their names because I'm a NY State resident.
I guess if I had to sum things up, I would say that, on a personal level, it was the smugness, while simultaneously having this completely hypocritical self-righteousness, that I found so incredibly insulting, both from the public Democrat figures (as if we were all just too stupid to figure out to see thru just how incredibly insincere/dishonest they were/are, along with whatever insincere platform may have had) and the friends/acquaintances in my personal life (whom I love/like, btw) who identify as Democrats and/or "liberals" (a term which no longer has any meaning, or a term which has an ever-morphing definition).
I happened across an opinion vid by a losing D. He credited the loss to the stupidity and racism of the Rs. The Ds have nothing else to offer other than "vote as we say or we'll call you bad names."
A big problem is that other nations follow the lead of the US. My Australian Foreign Minister, who has at least made discussion possible at her website*, has stated that "Australia will not sanction Israel, when no other countries have".
That is a very unpopular decision and one that could contribute to our government not being re elected; which would actually make a difference, in this country.
The US has more military bases, all around the world, than any other country. It has so many military facilities in Australia, that our country follows what the US requests. (David Shoebridge MP (Au) listed, yesterday, all the Au facilities over which Trump now has control).
Unlike the US, Au and many other countries have preferential (ranked choice) voting and no electoral college. Thus; there is a chance that a Green candidate could be elected PM.
I really wish that more US citizens will more actively advocate for such elrctoral reform, in the US. The fact that voting for 3rd Parties is so difficult, in the US, is a REAL problem. US democracy could actually be working as it was intended to do, but that takes motivation and commitment from citizens.
Being such a large country, with relatively few physical borders, I'm guessing that many US citizens don't feel motivated enough to act to change their political system?
Perhaps domestic problems take up US citizens' available energy for problem solving?
To me, the cynicism and sense of hopelessness expressed in this post, by Caitlin Johnstone is justified, but I WISH that it would lead to practical action, by US citizens, to improve their electoral system - which is one that affects so many other people.
Maybe Mossad's pager attacks will provide enough momentum for US Americans to see that their physical remoteness does not guarantee them the degree of "safety" from the repercussions of US led conflict, in other peoples' countries, that they might have believed it does?
I wish that more US citizens could be motivated by realising just how incredibly disliked the US has become, in so many other parts of our world, which is leading people in those places to look for ways to avoid having to be dependent and unwillingly complicit with the US.
For example: some say that Georgia's election was rigged, in order for it's new alliance with Russia to have been elected. However, I believe that many people may have been looking for ways to move away from European (and other western, US influence), due to it's increasingly inflammatory influence in the middle east.
People in many African countries are also looking for ways to increase their independence and I have often seen BRICS mentioned at social media.
North Korea has just deployed troops to serve in Russia.
As far as I've learnt, activists in the US are very, very passionate. However; from what I've encountered, I believe that their messages and work really needs to be amplified.
For example: CODEPINK continually publishes important research related to US decisions. However, posts at CODEPINK's social media seem to have relatively small viewing and I've wondered why that is, or whether viewing/liking figures have been manipulated?
In any case: I wish that there were more ways for the messages of the US Green Party and electoral reform groups to be far more widely circulated.
(* I and many others have been blocked &/or limited from commenting at our Au FM's Instagram posts. My FM is aware of that fact, which is why she mentioned her website. I did manage to tag the US President & Netanyahu, as well as my PM & FM, in one reply to a post from Gaza. (I proposed that no one really knows that Hell doesn't exist & asked whether any of those leaders were worried that their actions would lead them to go there). Since then, I've been suspended from commenting, for a couple of days, every time I try to comment on my FM's posts about Gaza. The blocks are always lifted in US time, which makes me think that they're being issued in the US - which appears to me, to be more evidence of US influence in other countries).
The only place where I’ve never been banned is VK. VK has its issues, to be sure, but legitimate criticism of Israel (and of course of Ukraine) is never censored.
Your FM serves the US before serving Australians. Just as our PM in the UK serves Israel before us.
We are all colonies, with meaningless elections to pick puppets who do what they are told by unaccountable, unelected, condescending racists in both America and Israel.
No. The axis of resistance will be taking down Israel, along with the United States of Genocide, you disgusting war criminal. Like all empires, the extreme hubris during late-phase decline will be your undoing.
Here is the thing I find very curious about all the liberal hysteria around the results of the election. Elections don't matter. There have been multiple studies at this point revealing that public opinion on policy is irrelevant when it comes to legislating those policies. Here's a short video done by Represent.us I think does a pretty good job of pointing this dynamic out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig&t=2s So, why would you think that Trump was going to end the republic if you lose to him? Your opinion didn't matter when Trump wasn't in office anymore than when he is in office. The system needs to be broken down for parts. There's nothing else to say.
Trump and Harris are both fascists,. The Dems is a more insidous type of fascism + gaslighting. It's better that Trump won, because at least there can be no pretence as to what we are dealing with.
Trump has not been subsumed into The Blob, which is somewhat hopeful in this historical moment of vast change, the "great reset", not quite the WEF-way.
I voted for Jill Stein again, myself, just to clarify.
Thank you. Last spring I was chatting to a number of Americans while travelling - and said I didnt like either candidates or dominant parties and would have liked a Bernie/Jill Stein ticket. When one particular American pointed out that there is no such 'ticket' - my response was - and why do you think that is? I liked her running mate - the one interview I saw with him.
Bernie Sanders has no jnterest in such. Has repeatedly refused to join up with the Green Party and build a long lasting independent political movement rather than a personal cult of Bernie.
In fact Sanders begged Kamala Harris to campaign with and for her in Vermont in this election. She said no.
Sanders unfortunately is prostituting himself to te Dens while pretending to be progressive. And they don’t even like him.
Feral, Rashida is another one I don’t understand. While I love her, I don’t understand why in hell she doesn’t declare herself as Independent. She’s so popular in her district ( just won in a true landslide) that she could run under the Satanist party and still win.
The US tends to like to have the 'good cop' in the White House. They leave the 'bad cop' roles to appointees like the Secretary of State or the Vice President (sometimes) etc.
Pompeo's return means the times are only going to get darker, which also means Bolton is back. If Trump ever had an iota of good intentions these two morons should have been the first one's to ditch.
It also indicates the influence of Kennedy and Gabbard and other moderates will be kept on the margins.
The self-inflicted destruction and isolation of the West will march on while the rest of the world moves on.
There is a slight chance that Trump said what he had to to get elected and turf Bolton and Pompeo among others. Sometimes things are not as they appear considering al the negative propaganda and Trolls interjecting bullshit into the narrative, For now i think people should hold their tongues and wait and see what happens. A little optimism could be healthy.
Best now not to regress into name-calling. A sign of weakness, and little substantive criticism. Let's see where this goes. A reduced chance of nuclear war does seem a plus to dwell on, for the moment.
Reduced chance of nuclear war? trump?!! He wants to call in the military anytime somebody disagrees with him and is all in favor of eliminating foreign opposition by any means necessary. He's an American Netanyahu.
Interesting, the success of the domestic propaganda strongly influenced by England's long antipathy (19th C) toward Russia and Putin is reflected in your comment. And suggestive too of the attitude assiduously brewed by Clinton of the (phony) Russiangate brou ha ha. Phony because debunked by credible sources. Professors Mearsheimer and Sachs layout a clear history of events of Putin's efforts to creatively work with the USA after the Soviet implosion - which, spurned him. If you are interested, open minded, and objective, google either of these men as it relates to Putins effort to work with the USA post-Gorbachev period.
Let us remember that Putin's Russia only went into the Ukraine when the USA led NATO started to put their missles into the formerly neutral Ukraine. NATO had already put their missles into the so-called neutral buffer states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. All these missles can reach Moscow. Re: Putin Russia invading Ukraine - can you remember USA reaction when the USSR tried to put missles into Cuba.
Russia was being consumed and internally divided in the 1990s by global vulture-capitalists. Putin stopped that and is rebuilding Russian industry, farming, health, military and self-respect, and he is the most diplomatically important national leader in the world today.
they were warmongering zionist genocidal monsters before the election. the election doesn't change that. there is no regress or no name-calling, just accuracy, imo.
Let us remember who is supplying a lot of weaponry to Zionist Israel to carry out the genocide in historical Palestine while pledging and following through on those promises.
How would you describe 'providing full political cover for Israeli war crimes and ethnic cleansing'?
It's certainly not humane, it's certainly not an isolated school shooting, it's certainly not driven by daily reading of the Koran and it's certainly not driven by admiration of the methods of Mohindas Gandhi, is it?
Don't see much chance of that. Maybe with Russia, but in the Middle East? Israel is going completely off with the fairies. The dangers there are rising by the day and Trump is yet to prove he can treat Israelis the way he treats the rest of the world.
My hope this outcome will juice democrats to demolish the Corporatized Democratic Establishment who bears total responsibility for this fiasco. Arrogant, disdainful of the citizenry as being nothing more than rubber stamps for their elevated, sophisticated stratagems to promote middle of the roaders (manipulatable to their status quo corporate and war friendly aims), their power must be confronted and democratized to reflect the 99%. They are ossified and alien to fundamental necessities of peace making and responsiveness to workers. Biden epitomizes their ilk. Speaking out of both sides of his mouth and rigid toadying to the sadistic blood thirsty Israel colonial genocide of the Palestinians. Harris? As deep as her public track record.
They won’t learn. They’ll blame Jill Stein and the real left and try to shame us while continuing to suck the corporate tit that feeds them. They’d rather lose than quit their addiction to corporate cash.
They didn’t when Hillary lost. They blamed everything on Russia. They have already blamed things on Russia and China and Iran. Obama was most responsible for Hillary’s loss.
And I was just mocking the entirety of Capitol Hill for their prostitution services rendered for another country.....(uniting the cuntery, I call it....but that sort of language usually doesn't go down very well in pious USA circles).
Uncle Scam Pres elections are the choice of being slashed by a serated knife or rusty screwdriver, & pretending you have agency. It's our planet's most exhibited sham & costly puppet show, funded by deviants & callous bigots.
The cheese-powder dipped manchild will continue the Empire as he's instructed & the rest of the planet will pay the price, esp those in West Asia whom the Zionists despise through their warped moral prism & supremacist disease.
Until 'murica is dewedded from its drenched-in-corruption system & the toxic Elites it serves we'll know no peace.
Wish they'd all fuck off to Epstein island & sink forever into the ocean.
Americans are as stupid as Israelis and vice versa. The whole thing ("America/Israel") is a fraud(!) and no one wants to see. There is probably no deeper level of personal corruption possible. The only thing that can change is whether we are willing to open our eyes and face reality.
Netanyahu is skilled at holding onto and returning to power. People said something very similar about Trump as well. It was mostly to make themselves feel better at the sense of not having control over something pretty terrible, which netanyahu is.
You lot all need to stop voting for anyone that takes AIPAC money.
When 150 million Americans refuse to vote for any candidate taking Jewish lobbyist money, you will have representatives that put you first, not Zionist Israel.
Donald Trump is much more than a warmongering zionist; he is a fascistic buffoon. With Republicans in control of the Presidency, Congress and the Supreme Court, they now have the power to impose their most extreme agenda upon the nation. It will be an ugly four years, if not more. Personally, I did not vote for Harris or Trump, but I do not feel proud of myself or morally superior. The U.S. is well and truly fucked, which some may regard as its just desserts, but the whole world will feel the repercussions, and not in a positive way.
💯 Completely agree - this (Trump presidency) will turbocharge the demise of the US and its Empire hopefully (compared to the slow pace of demise under the Democrats). Like you say, everyone (ordinary Americans) and the rest of the world will pay a heavy price though - but the decline of empires have almost always been a very brutal aspect of civilization lifecycle history - and I see no indications of this being any different when it comes to the US Empire.
Howard, you are one of the least clever persons that I have ever encountered on a web discussion board, and yet you think you are too brilliant for the rest of us.
Go ahead, and have the last word. I know it will make you feel better.
Well.....least with Trump around, it'll be inexcusably easier for the rest of the myopic world to see what kind of monster the American Empire is. What? You MAGA supporters think Trump is REALLY gonna "drain the swamp"? Don't be surprise that once he got rid of the old deep state, only for him to replace it with his OWN. Let that sink in.....
I think MAGA supporters want the trans-agenda eliminated more than they care about draining the swamp. They want both, but if they had to choose, they'd rather their kids' schools were free of indoctrination, to be honest.....
According to professor Kevin Barrett, former president Jimmy Carter said,
“American elections are so corrupt that they aren’t even worth monitoring.”
Yesterday results mean nothing.
It was in the cards, and the house always wins.
Bankin’ on hope (and change🤮) at this casino is a good way to end up homeless.
Just another day in parasite paradise.
I am glad that I never had any hope to abandon.
Me too 😢
There were 3 months of elite negotiations preceding the vote. It looks like the nationalists "won", but they must have agreed to absolve the globalists of their crimes and perfidies...
Trump stated in public that he would not go after Hunter Biden a couple of weeks ago.
Why would he? The loser son of a loser president, who is not the slightest threat to Trump. I would hope he has more pressing concerns and enemies to go after, not useless small fry like Sniffy Hunter.
Except that he sexually abused girls. Maybe a smallfry but still a disgusting criminal
That doesn't matter in the 'elites'. There's no crime that won't be covered up, as long as the criminal has something to trade.
Those kinds of "deals" are "necessary" for a "peaceful" transition of power, it seems.
You can't keep on committing global genocides for decades unless both sides of the Uniparty agree to cover each others' asses out of power.
Coalitions are shifting.
There is room under the bus.
I'd like the Pizzagaters and "Diddy" crowd to check it out down there.
;-}
There's always a few sacrificial lambs deemed 'acceptable collateral damage', friend. It's just that they are probably never going to be Slick Willie and the wife he often left at home whilst out philandering; Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, Victoria Nuland, Madeleine Albright etc etc; and what about Nancy Pelosi, Lindsey Graham, and all the rest of the corrupt insider traders on the Hill??
Matt Taibbi long ago detailed how the US was actually similarly to post-soviet Russian state of oligarchy. In every way. Elections are really just factional battles among the elite.
This presidential race with tactical lawfare and even murrky assassins involved even, was yet another example.
Such things are forbidden to be published in mainstream media.
It's been talked about since 2000, mate. I called it 'political cross-dressing' in 1997.
You’ll find Tabbi wrote a book in 2000 with references to this, and had been writing about it before.
Maybe so, I don't have to have read something first to express my own personal opinions though. And I don't have to say 'Ooh, Matt Taibbi. My new Chief Rabbi/Archbishop of journalistic truth', either....
Biden will pardon his son before he leaves office.
We'll see. It seems that there is a non-aggression-pact of sorts.
I hope they DO go after the Pizzagate and Diddy crowd, though.
Depends what Diddy has on other politicians, I guess. They'll go after him if he can only take down Hollywood, they won't go after him if he can bring down half the Hill.
The FBI has a LOT of Diddy's party-videos now, so who actually controls them?
I guess that depends on whether the FBI made those videos, whether Diddy sent them to the FBI as a trading package, or whether others at those parties made them as insurance policies.
No coincidence that this is happening just as the Democrats leave office.
No chance of any misdemeanours Trump, Musk, Kushner et al may or may not have committed coming to the attention of the FBI in the near future, is there?
I guess the 'security services' have always, but always been political in nature.
What exactly would Diddy have done that you think Clinton or Biden’s son hasn’t been worse involved in?
Put a lot of prominent people in politics and power on video raping children?
'Parasite paradise' - I love that phrase. Will be using it going forward! Thanks!
To add further to the coming days in paradise, Mike, will be the new government (yes, as it was with the old) where the Zionist parasites, now having a firm base for four years, will now seriously add to the Zionisation of the Constitution of the United States of America, the lack of free speech, Holocaust Museums in every town, prisons packed with antiSemites and further assistance for Israel to create the USA holiday colony on the shores af Gaza (check Trump’s son-in-law fr detals). where the controlling Israeli government will gradually (with US support, naturally) take over the Middle Eastern oil and gas fields to provide a continuous supply for the USA, currently sitting at only 8 years of reserves.
It took some managing, but it has been done. We’ve been Trumped.
As they rid the mainland of unwanted immigrants, a promise by Trump, so you will see a startling increase in the very welcome immigrants from Israel, just to occupy the new roles replacing the likes of Democratically inclined senior bureaucrats as they are weeded out from critical positions of power. Naturally, it happens with the senior Cabinet as back come the likes of Pompeo, (what a calamity that will be). Replacing the next level down by the thousands will be a much simpler task.
All the parasitic Israelis, Neocons, Zionists, Christian Zionists, all AIPACERS of course, the unofficial White House.
The next step in the Zionisation of the USA starts in January 2025.
The door is open and the the driver will soon to be at the wheel.
I don't think you should believe all the US propaganda. Israel is in deep doodoo and it's not going to win in the Middle East.
I think we’d be better off if we “walked”.
I think that the time has come (and probably gone) to sell the old homestead, and get the fuck outa dodge.
I’m not catchin’ a ride with these homicidal freaks.
When it comes to deportations, I think that the FIFO (First In First Out) inventory method is the best, most fair approach.
Jews, Europeans (same things?), blacks, and then the Mexicans and the redskins leave last.
They can turn off the lights, and shut the door, on the wall.
Absolutely agree.
The only good vote is for the GP or NC
Well said, Caitlin! Trump and Vance will be the same as Biden and Harris has been, and the same as what Harris and Walz could’ve been.
No. Vance carries a level of cunning and intelligence far in excess of Biden and Harris.
He went from calling Trump “America’s Hitler” and Nixonian to being his VP, the man has a sinister mind indeed + no core beliefs which makes him dangerous— though I think he is a rank amateur next to Abbott of TX, and wishes he could be that ingenious in evil deeds.
So agree. Not being American but living close and half my family lives in 'the States' - when the numbers started to come in consistently in favour of Trump/Vance ticket - I was horrified when I looked up Vance. Whew! And - I agree with the commenters that said Biden stayed too long after being obviously senile. And not being a B-grade actor like Ronald Reagan, Biden couldn't fake it. I dont like Trump or Harris's foreign policy - which really impacts me and things and people I care about. Both the Dems and Rep serve the top 5%. Just different extremely rich within that 5%.
So agree. Looked him up last night when numbers persisted. He is not only cunning - but unconscionably immoral while 'looking good' and 'awe shucks' young! He can out-con Trump who comes off as an oaf - but is anything but.
Unfair! Trump will mouth completely different set of meaningless platitudes (while doing nothing to stop the genocide).
Watch Team.D suddenly pretend to rediscover human rights.
Exactly, Feral.
I’ve said before that if the genocide had occurred under a Republican, the Dems would be screaming bloody murder.
Yup. Just like shitlibs screamed when Covid killed people during Trump, but then went silent when it killed during Biden. More people died during Biden, but….
I'm frankly relieved for the English language. At least Trump is occasionally capable of delivering simple declarative sentences; I don't think I ever heard Kamala do so, not without the accompanying word salad of claudicating "clarifiers" and abundant hand-waving.
That's actually really funny (and that's coming from someone who would never vote for either corporate candidate in a trillion years). I never looked at it that way. Thanks for that truism.
I think you are right if you mean that Dems will not tolerate in Trump what they have tolerated with Biden.
Yes. Remember how Team D passed resolutions to end support for the Saudi war on Yemen? Trump vetoed it.
Once Biden was elected and continued Trump's support for the Saudi genocide, Team D forgot all their stirring and brave talk about human rights.
Well - they are in opposition - that is their role. And like during the last Trump admin they will champion all sorts of causes but not do much when they next have governing power. May do some things domestically but still serve the American global elites when in power.
I think this might be something to watch.
I also wonder if the rest of the West (Europe, Canada, Australia, etc) might become more critical of US policy now that Trump is in charge.
I also wonder how the rest of the world will respond.
I think there might be a small chance that since Trump is now in charge, people will be more prepared to speak up against the genocide - and America might move towards becoming a pariah nation. A small chance, I admit. But possible.
Ha!
I am a registered Green, who's been voting as such since 1996 (having been a Dem for a couple decades previously), having to write-in their names because I'm a NY State resident.
I guess if I had to sum things up, I would say that, on a personal level, it was the smugness, while simultaneously having this completely hypocritical self-righteousness, that I found so incredibly insulting, both from the public Democrat figures (as if we were all just too stupid to figure out to see thru just how incredibly insincere/dishonest they were/are, along with whatever insincere platform may have had) and the friends/acquaintances in my personal life (whom I love/like, btw) who identify as Democrats and/or "liberals" (a term which no longer has any meaning, or a term which has an ever-morphing definition).
"Liberal" means whatever the Ds do.
I happened across an opinion vid by a losing D. He credited the loss to the stupidity and racism of the Rs. The Ds have nothing else to offer other than "vote as we say or we'll call you bad names."
"it was the smugness, while simultaneously having this completely hypocritical self-righteousness, that I found so incredibly insulting,"
Much of that comes with learning how to lie your way though politics
I agree - sure wish people would give definitions to terms like: 'socialist'; 'lefty'; 'right-wing'; 'progressive'; 'conservative'; etc.
Forget oldthink. Embrace newthink.
I sadly agree. We can only hope that other nations will step in and stop the destruction of Palestine.
A big problem is that other nations follow the lead of the US. My Australian Foreign Minister, who has at least made discussion possible at her website*, has stated that "Australia will not sanction Israel, when no other countries have".
That is a very unpopular decision and one that could contribute to our government not being re elected; which would actually make a difference, in this country.
The US has more military bases, all around the world, than any other country. It has so many military facilities in Australia, that our country follows what the US requests. (David Shoebridge MP (Au) listed, yesterday, all the Au facilities over which Trump now has control).
Unlike the US, Au and many other countries have preferential (ranked choice) voting and no electoral college. Thus; there is a chance that a Green candidate could be elected PM.
I really wish that more US citizens will more actively advocate for such elrctoral reform, in the US. The fact that voting for 3rd Parties is so difficult, in the US, is a REAL problem. US democracy could actually be working as it was intended to do, but that takes motivation and commitment from citizens.
Being such a large country, with relatively few physical borders, I'm guessing that many US citizens don't feel motivated enough to act to change their political system?
Perhaps domestic problems take up US citizens' available energy for problem solving?
To me, the cynicism and sense of hopelessness expressed in this post, by Caitlin Johnstone is justified, but I WISH that it would lead to practical action, by US citizens, to improve their electoral system - which is one that affects so many other people.
Maybe Mossad's pager attacks will provide enough momentum for US Americans to see that their physical remoteness does not guarantee them the degree of "safety" from the repercussions of US led conflict, in other peoples' countries, that they might have believed it does?
I wish that more US citizens could be motivated by realising just how incredibly disliked the US has become, in so many other parts of our world, which is leading people in those places to look for ways to avoid having to be dependent and unwillingly complicit with the US.
For example: some say that Georgia's election was rigged, in order for it's new alliance with Russia to have been elected. However, I believe that many people may have been looking for ways to move away from European (and other western, US influence), due to it's increasingly inflammatory influence in the middle east.
People in many African countries are also looking for ways to increase their independence and I have often seen BRICS mentioned at social media.
North Korea has just deployed troops to serve in Russia.
As far as I've learnt, activists in the US are very, very passionate. However; from what I've encountered, I believe that their messages and work really needs to be amplified.
For example: CODEPINK continually publishes important research related to US decisions. However, posts at CODEPINK's social media seem to have relatively small viewing and I've wondered why that is, or whether viewing/liking figures have been manipulated?
In any case: I wish that there were more ways for the messages of the US Green Party and electoral reform groups to be far more widely circulated.
(* I and many others have been blocked &/or limited from commenting at our Au FM's Instagram posts. My FM is aware of that fact, which is why she mentioned her website. I did manage to tag the US President & Netanyahu, as well as my PM & FM, in one reply to a post from Gaza. (I proposed that no one really knows that Hell doesn't exist & asked whether any of those leaders were worried that their actions would lead them to go there). Since then, I've been suspended from commenting, for a couple of days, every time I try to comment on my FM's posts about Gaza. The blocks are always lifted in US time, which makes me think that they're being issued in the US - which appears to me, to be more evidence of US influence in other countries).
Hi Jane
I’m a reluctant Amerikkkan citizen who plays the lottery every week. If I ever do win the jackpot, I’m buying Congress and the presidency 😉
Must be a mighty big first prize at your lottery, friend. I heard that buying 1 policy in Israel cost Miriam Adelson $100m.
The only place where I’ve never been banned is VK. VK has its issues, to be sure, but legitimate criticism of Israel (and of course of Ukraine) is never censored.
Your FM serves the US before serving Australians. Just as our PM in the UK serves Israel before us.
We are all colonies, with meaningless elections to pick puppets who do what they are told by unaccountable, unelected, condescending racists in both America and Israel.
“we will take down the ring of fire”
No. The axis of resistance will be taking down Israel, along with the United States of Genocide, you disgusting war criminal. Like all empires, the extreme hubris during late-phase decline will be your undoing.
Here is the thing I find very curious about all the liberal hysteria around the results of the election. Elections don't matter. There have been multiple studies at this point revealing that public opinion on policy is irrelevant when it comes to legislating those policies. Here's a short video done by Represent.us I think does a pretty good job of pointing this dynamic out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig&t=2s So, why would you think that Trump was going to end the republic if you lose to him? Your opinion didn't matter when Trump wasn't in office anymore than when he is in office. The system needs to be broken down for parts. There's nothing else to say.
Trump and Harris are both fascists,. The Dems is a more insidous type of fascism + gaslighting. It's better that Trump won, because at least there can be no pretence as to what we are dealing with.
"Blocked from liking this comment"...
Trump has not been subsumed into The Blob, which is somewhat hopeful in this historical moment of vast change, the "great reset", not quite the WEF-way.
I voted for Jill Stein again, myself, just to clarify.
Thank you. Last spring I was chatting to a number of Americans while travelling - and said I didnt like either candidates or dominant parties and would have liked a Bernie/Jill Stein ticket. When one particular American pointed out that there is no such 'ticket' - my response was - and why do you think that is? I liked her running mate - the one interview I saw with him.
Bernie Sanders has no jnterest in such. Has repeatedly refused to join up with the Green Party and build a long lasting independent political movement rather than a personal cult of Bernie.
In fact Sanders begged Kamala Harris to campaign with and for her in Vermont in this election. She said no.
Sanders unfortunately is prostituting himself to te Dens while pretending to be progressive. And they don’t even like him.
Not only does Team D not like Sanders, they have zero respect for him.
Feral, Rashida is another one I don’t understand. While I love her, I don’t understand why in hell she doesn’t declare herself as Independent. She’s so popular in her district ( just won in a true landslide) that she could run under the Satanist party and still win.
Because then she'd have to face a Team D candidate in the general.
Ohhhh - having looked up Vance - a very scary dude. Trump pales by comparison.
The US tends to like to have the 'good cop' in the White House. They leave the 'bad cop' roles to appointees like the Secretary of State or the Vice President (sometimes) etc.
Exactly my thinking. The Democrats are the more effective evil, so if there's going to be evil in power I'd rather have the less effective type.
A foolish bumbling evil can be better than a focused and determined evil.
Pompeo's return means the times are only going to get darker, which also means Bolton is back. If Trump ever had an iota of good intentions these two morons should have been the first one's to ditch.
It also indicates the influence of Kennedy and Gabbard and other moderates will be kept on the margins.
The self-inflicted destruction and isolation of the West will march on while the rest of the world moves on.
There is a slight chance that Trump said what he had to to get elected and turf Bolton and Pompeo among others. Sometimes things are not as they appear considering al the negative propaganda and Trolls interjecting bullshit into the narrative, For now i think people should hold their tongues and wait and see what happens. A little optimism could be healthy.
Agreed!
I found a Trump election highly depressing. But the Ds were horrifying.
IMHO the D's showed what incredible liars they were willing to be to the U.S. voter
If in an arranged marriage you were offered a fat ugly cow with big tits or a fat ugly cow with a big arse, which would you choose?
Or would you say: 'I don't feel that marriage is right for me at this time'?
"warmongering Zionist genocide monster"
Best now not to regress into name-calling. A sign of weakness, and little substantive criticism. Let's see where this goes. A reduced chance of nuclear war does seem a plus to dwell on, for the moment.
Reduced chance of nuclear war? trump?!! He wants to call in the military anytime somebody disagrees with him and is all in favor of eliminating foreign opposition by any means necessary. He's an American Netanyahu.
Yes, he's on the phone to Putin by now, or said he would be, or at least Zelensky...
Interesting, the success of the domestic propaganda strongly influenced by England's long antipathy (19th C) toward Russia and Putin is reflected in your comment. And suggestive too of the attitude assiduously brewed by Clinton of the (phony) Russiangate brou ha ha. Phony because debunked by credible sources. Professors Mearsheimer and Sachs layout a clear history of events of Putin's efforts to creatively work with the USA after the Soviet implosion - which, spurned him. If you are interested, open minded, and objective, google either of these men as it relates to Putins effort to work with the USA post-Gorbachev period.
Let us remember that Putin's Russia only went into the Ukraine when the USA led NATO started to put their missles into the formerly neutral Ukraine. NATO had already put their missles into the so-called neutral buffer states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. All these missles can reach Moscow. Re: Putin Russia invading Ukraine - can you remember USA reaction when the USSR tried to put missles into Cuba.
You might think that I don't respect and admire Vladimir Putin as a historical figure, but I do. He is very good for Russia.
How's that?
Russia was being consumed and internally divided in the 1990s by global vulture-capitalists. Putin stopped that and is rebuilding Russian industry, farming, health, military and self-respect, and he is the most diplomatically important national leader in the world today.
Name calling? I don't know what reality you occupy but in mine those are simply adjectives and accurate ones as well.
they were warmongering zionist genocidal monsters before the election. the election doesn't change that. there is no regress or no name-calling, just accuracy, imo.
Let us remember who is supplying a lot of weaponry to Zionist Israel to carry out the genocide in historical Palestine while pledging and following through on those promises.
What makes you say such a delusional statement?
How would you describe 'providing full political cover for Israeli war crimes and ethnic cleansing'?
It's certainly not humane, it's certainly not an isolated school shooting, it's certainly not driven by daily reading of the Koran and it's certainly not driven by admiration of the methods of Mohindas Gandhi, is it?
Don't see much chance of that. Maybe with Russia, but in the Middle East? Israel is going completely off with the fairies. The dangers there are rising by the day and Trump is yet to prove he can treat Israelis the way he treats the rest of the world.
My hope this outcome will juice democrats to demolish the Corporatized Democratic Establishment who bears total responsibility for this fiasco. Arrogant, disdainful of the citizenry as being nothing more than rubber stamps for their elevated, sophisticated stratagems to promote middle of the roaders (manipulatable to their status quo corporate and war friendly aims), their power must be confronted and democratized to reflect the 99%. They are ossified and alien to fundamental necessities of peace making and responsiveness to workers. Biden epitomizes their ilk. Speaking out of both sides of his mouth and rigid toadying to the sadistic blood thirsty Israel colonial genocide of the Palestinians. Harris? As deep as her public track record.
They won’t learn. They’ll blame Jill Stein and the real left and try to shame us while continuing to suck the corporate tit that feeds them. They’d rather lose than quit their addiction to corporate cash.
Absolutely correct, and they have demonstrated that pattern repeatedly.
The leaders of the Democratic Party epitomize the "iron law of institutions."
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_institutions
They didn’t when Hillary lost. They blamed everything on Russia. They have already blamed things on Russia and China and Iran. Obama was most responsible for Hillary’s loss.
For them, blaming Jill and blaming the Russians is the same thing. Don’t you know that Jill Stein is a Putin puppet?
Whereas 99.9% of all the other politicians are AIPAC puppets??
What's so great about being an AIPAC puppet??
I voted for Jill. I was just mocking the Dem/shitlib propaganda narrative.
And I was just mocking the entirety of Capitol Hill for their prostitution services rendered for another country.....(uniting the cuntery, I call it....but that sort of language usually doesn't go down very well in pious USA circles).
Uncle Scam Pres elections are the choice of being slashed by a serated knife or rusty screwdriver, & pretending you have agency. It's our planet's most exhibited sham & costly puppet show, funded by deviants & callous bigots.
The cheese-powder dipped manchild will continue the Empire as he's instructed & the rest of the planet will pay the price, esp those in West Asia whom the Zionists despise through their warped moral prism & supremacist disease.
Until 'murica is dewedded from its drenched-in-corruption system & the toxic Elites it serves we'll know no peace.
Wish they'd all fuck off to Epstein island & sink forever into the ocean.
Americans are as stupid as Israelis and vice versa. The whole thing ("America/Israel") is a fraud(!) and no one wants to see. There is probably no deeper level of personal corruption possible. The only thing that can change is whether we are willing to open our eyes and face reality.
Both Trump and Netanyahu are facing criminal charges when out of power.
Thats why they will try to hold on to power indefinitely
Netanyahu is too unpopular in Israel to be able to do that. Can't comment on Trump in 4 years time, obviously.
Netanyahu is skilled at holding onto and returning to power. People said something very similar about Trump as well. It was mostly to make themselves feel better at the sense of not having control over something pretty terrible, which netanyahu is.
You really think they're going after Trump again after this next term?
You lot all need to stop voting for anyone that takes AIPAC money.
When 150 million Americans refuse to vote for any candidate taking Jewish lobbyist money, you will have representatives that put you first, not Zionist Israel.
Donald Trump is much more than a warmongering zionist; he is a fascistic buffoon. With Republicans in control of the Presidency, Congress and the Supreme Court, they now have the power to impose their most extreme agenda upon the nation. It will be an ugly four years, if not more. Personally, I did not vote for Harris or Trump, but I do not feel proud of myself or morally superior. The U.S. is well and truly fucked, which some may regard as its just desserts, but the whole world will feel the repercussions, and not in a positive way.
💯 Completely agree - this (Trump presidency) will turbocharge the demise of the US and its Empire hopefully (compared to the slow pace of demise under the Democrats). Like you say, everyone (ordinary Americans) and the rest of the world will pay a heavy price though - but the decline of empires have almost always been a very brutal aspect of civilization lifecycle history - and I see no indications of this being any different when it comes to the US Empire.
it is progressivism and social liberalism that pushed the concept of Social Reform
ALL Social Reform requires the participation of The State to qualify
Huh? I see no relevance to what I wrote, so maybe you can explain.
consider it a criticism then of why people have turned to Trump as a solution
Oh, now I see clearly--you have a one track mind. Bye.
enough to interpret what you say
Howard, you are one of the least clever persons that I have ever encountered on a web discussion board, and yet you think you are too brilliant for the rest of us.
Go ahead, and have the last word. I know it will make you feel better.
Well.....least with Trump around, it'll be inexcusably easier for the rest of the myopic world to see what kind of monster the American Empire is. What? You MAGA supporters think Trump is REALLY gonna "drain the swamp"? Don't be surprise that once he got rid of the old deep state, only for him to replace it with his OWN. Let that sink in.....
I think MAGA supporters want the trans-agenda eliminated more than they care about draining the swamp. They want both, but if they had to choose, they'd rather their kids' schools were free of indoctrination, to be honest.....