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paul berry's avatar

the gaslighting I most despise:

Normal person: The candidate you are supporting wants to commit actual genocide.

Shit Lib: "Purity Test"!

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Richard's avatar

The gaslighting I laugh hardest at is that we have a democracy here. In second place: that Israel is our ally.

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jamenta's avatar

Democrat Loyalist: Nothing is perfect. You have to vote for the lesser of two evils. Trump will destroy our democracy and is evil!

Normal Person: But the lesser of two evils is genocide. I can't support genocide!

Democrat Loyalist: Purist!! Trump supporter!! Russian Infiltrator!

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Ned B.'s avatar

Voting for the lesser evil still gets you evil.

https://nedb.substack.com/p/lesser-evil-voting

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

it sure does

And libertarians have been saying it for yeas

But because we are a waste, no one listens

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John B Bartlett's avatar

Libertarians have no Evil intentions. They are Citizens of truth sincerity and justice in our population.

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Mike Rube's avatar

The debate over different approaches to governance must begin with democracy. Establish a democratic process that represents every citizen regardless of wealth and privilege. I would add the elimination of poverty, free healthcare, education, and housing. But first democracy.

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jamenta's avatar

Who would have thought?? Sigh ...

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John B Bartlett's avatar

It is not RED Vs BLUE that Matters…it is "Red White and Blue Truth", FIXING A HACKED GOVERNMENT THAT IGNORS THE CONSTITUTION AND IT'S RULE OF LAW. Let us vote for making it whole again. God Bless America.

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Mike Rube's avatar

The “choice” of who to vote for is absolutely illusory. The truth is the US is an oligarchy. It is impossible to elect a president who would challenge this oligarchic anti-democratic system. This is an incontrovertible fact. The only participants who can change this ugly and stupid condition is an effective, well organized, pro-democracy, mass movement. We, this country and this World, desperately need democracy. It is the only system that will have the compassion, intelligence, flexibility, and the capacity to create real consensus. All qualities that are becoming essential in order for humanity to (evolve) survive.

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The Underdog's avatar

"Normal person: The candidate you are supporting wants to commit actual genocide."

Responses I've gotten so far:

Trump worshipper: 'Trump didn't start any new wars!' [read: continuing old wars is okay and somehow magically doesn't count; also, yes he did; he missiled Syria, gave Ukraine weapons and bombed an Iranian general]

Harris worshipper: 'Harris is soooo anti-Israel and only drumpf will start wars' [Even though Biden-Harris admin is part of several wars right now]

There's not enough facepalm oil for all of this madness.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Well said 'The Underdog'. It reflects my experiences too with Trump and Biden/Harris supporters.

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Andy Dean's avatar

And the saddest part is that it doesn’t matter WHO is your candidate. Both main ones are planning to.

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Sam's avatar

Also shitlib: "single issue voter" or "privelaged single issue voter."

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SomeDude's avatar

since being booted out into the "adult" world and beginning to pay attention to government/politics a little over 30 years ago, I have CONSTANTLY seen the "bizarre, contorted reality tunnel where fake nonsense is all that matters and real problems are invisible to everyone who’s anywhere near the mainstream."

it's just a matter of which wing of the Uniparty controls what's considered mainstream as to what pet projects are thrown out into it on top of the standard bone structure of Global American Empire and Corporate Oligarchy.

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Josh Liveright's avatar

Some of us are red, some of us are blue. Let’s put our heads together and think of something new.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Red or Blue--they don't give a sh*t about you!

Vote Green instead.

People, planet and peace.

jillstein2024.com

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Elizabeth Schneider's avatar

I am so with you on this concept. What a brilliant way to espouse your idea! Now THAT should be on a t-shirt!

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Elizabeth Schneider's avatar

That’s brilliant! I would so wear that! I had considered “Roses are red, violets are blue, we’re all so over you psychos…to hell with you” but your’s is much better!

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Elizabeth Schneider's avatar

Seriously, you should sell those. I am down to wear one. I am rather known for my message t-shirts at this point.

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Alex Muller's avatar

I’ll just conveniently ignore whether red or blue has been more willing to “put our heads together” for the last 20 years. Focusing on the real problems guys!

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Josh Liveright's avatar

Word

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Amani Ag's avatar

'Now that November draws closer as the Democrats run a genocidal candidate, there’s a split between those who oppose genocide and those who just want to feel nice about themselves.' This really resonates with me. The true test of a person is when he is faced with something that challenges his perceptions and perspectives: will be stick to his guns or will he sell out? Will he face the truth or will he stick to his delusional thinking? Some people cannot hack it.

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Alex Muller's avatar

Everyone knows, one cannot feel nice about oneself and oppose genocide. Mutually exclusive!

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Michael Green's avatar

Normal person: The people who are being killed

are families that have the same aspirations as you and I do, to work for a better life, support the family and community, raise children, get educated, and to be happy.

Crazy person: This is the way of the world, if always has been and always will be, there are dominant forces who rule and innocents will die, stop being so naive and idealistic.

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jamenta's avatar

Normal Person: There is good in the world, and it's worth fighting for. There is good within us that motivates many of us to collaborate and make the world a better place for all of us and for ourselves.

Crazy Person: Greed is what drives all human beings. Get used to it, and compete with everyone you can. Winning and being the richest, most exploitative bastard on the planet is all that matters.

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

"Greed is what drives all human beings. "

Greed may drive some people as a motive - but they are beliefs and not action.

What the actual ends they choose is another story.

Before you indict people's beliefs as the problem, you should reconsider that view

"Winning and being the richest, most exploitative bastard on the planet is all that matters."

You do realize you seem to talk about yourself there too.

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jamenta's avatar

The majority of work I did was for the public: including being a librarian, working for NASA, University research, Medical research, and a number of years volunteering in a soup kitchen. I did not become rich. I see the ruthless pursuit of money, and self-serving greed as the root of most evil in the world.

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

did the public pay you ?

I'm told everybody at the state works for you - even Donald Trump when elected

I personally fail to see what getting rich has anything to do with it

And I would like to know when the pursuit of money becomes ruthless

I personally will let people pursue thi own goals, even if I disapprove

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jamenta's avatar

You fail (personally) to see quite a few things.

Freedom doesn't mean you get to do whatever the hell you feel like in a society. Freedom isn't free, and requires social responsibility and collaboration, which guys like you (and Wallstreet criminals) are unwilling to accept.

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

Freedom is the ability to be free AS LONG AS you do not violate that freedom for others

AND that is a DUTY that is imposed with the right - not a responsibility

Responsibility is something you undertake yourself

The idea that Freedom actually requires people to undertake action seems contradictory to me

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John B Bartlett's avatar

In other words-- What does legality morality decency fairness and equality have to do with what I want?

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

fairness versus justice - you have to decide which is more appropriate

Legality is official rules written on official paper and can state almost what the rule maker wants

Libertarian will take political morality any day

Libertarians support EQUALITY of RIGHTS - not EGALITARIANISM as many of todays social liberals do

Equality/egalitarianism demands getting rid of one sex or replacing both with 1.

Individuals hopefully will NEVER BE EQUAL

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Alex Muller's avatar

Normal person: I oppose genocide.

Crazy person: you don’t oppose genocide hard enough!!!! Aaaaah!!!!

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Michael Green's avatar

Yes. But there may be some truth in the crazy person’s comment. What is the level of opposition? Thoughts, talk, action?

The feeling of not being able to change the mess we are in is overwhelming. I truly believe it will take a people’s revolution. The forces of oppression are tightening and more and more we watch as free speech is being punished by our government. It is going to be interesting to see what happens around the upcoming Democratic Convention. I was in Chicago in the streets in 1968. It was brutal. We need to make the powers that be fear us.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Each time I see the WAPo's motto, I want to shout at them, "Uh, no puppies, Democracy already died as a consequence of your tsunami of lies". Therein lies the "darkness" both to which their motto refers and which also symptomatically distinguishes what you characterize as the difference between "the progressive Democrats and the real anti-imperialist leftists". The former readily suspend critical thinking in favor of the warm embrace of their lying privileged, contented vacuous peers, the latter recognize that this is a time for the discarding of groupthink in favor of clearheaded analysis of the necessity of creative rebellion against a vindictive dying empire.

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Klonda56's avatar

Actually the public don’t talk about most of the evil £&&£ that the Dems are doing. Just a couple of them. It’s actually no different than when Trump is there, where a couple of topics attract attention.

For example, the Biden-Harris admin

- still runs tortures people in the gulag called Guantanamo

- last week went to court to preserve its attempt to get a legal precedent for its “right” to torture and sodimize people there

- is prosecuting US citizen organisations and journalists for opposing its warmongering

- has intensified the pervasive surveillance that Snowden warned about, adding AI manipulation on top ofbit

- still runs a weekly global drone murder program

- has been blocking food aid to Sudanese civilians while freely sending weapons to kill them

- recently killed Russian and Nigerian troops in Niger out of spite

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Alex Muller's avatar

There’s no difference between trump and the dems!!! I’ll ignore all the evidence of my eyes and ears to the contrary!!!

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Klonda56's avatar

Your entire post has nothing to do with what I said.

I said the Dems are taking a wrecking ball to your future. Trump has a different shaped wrecking ball. Same result.

Both are out to wreck your life for the benefit of the oligarchs . One puts laughing gas over your face while doing it.

I suggest you’d better find your life more important to preserve than insisting on getting killed by a “preferred” killer.

Chose all other parties - eject ALL the crooks, now and in every other election.

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Alex Muller's avatar

Ejecting all the crooks from both parties sounds great until you remember that we have a system in which one party will win.

You can choose not to vote, or decide which of your two choices you prefer. But you can’t choose not to “eject” both parties. Sorry

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Kojo's avatar

In every election you have choices. You eject the duopoly of crooks consistently until they are gone. They were not there before. There will be other parties. It's not 1950 and everything changes. Because people force change.

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Michael  Lynch's avatar

US President Lyndon B. Johnson once said,

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Replace "white" and "colored" with the appropriate designation of "the enemy" and you have the answer.

This about covers the current situation in the world.

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Kojo's avatar

In other words, the psychosis of "whiteness".

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

You seem to have completely missed the point he was trying to make. This has little to do with "whiteness". It has more to do with human psychology and emotions - and how they can be taken advantage of and played upon by unscrupulous people in power (regardless of their skin color, race, etc.). The same dynamic plays out in multiple nations all over the world in different contexts.

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Kojo's avatar

No. You actually yourself completely miss what is going on. "Race" doesn't exist in the first place. It's a just made up. A myth-based caste system installed forpurposes of mass control in an exploitative social and economic system.

See my further comment to "Michael Lynch" that I made below, made a few seconds ago.

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russian_bot's avatar

White has got nothing to do with it, kudjoe, as in "The goddamn Germans got nothing to do with it" - https://youtu.be/cyWVPHoFGJA

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Michael  Lynch's avatar

It has NOTHING to do with "whiteness" or race at all; you do not seem to understand.

Johnson is the architypical "powerful politician" and his statement speaks clearly of how much of the public can be easily manipulated. Johnson himself was a virulent racist who has been recast by those in certain political parties as some sort of "modern day messiah" for blacks in America. This is done to further manipulate blacks, foment racial mistrust, evoke hatred and divide the American public.

A prime example of this fact can be seen here:

Johnson once yelled at his substitute limousine driver, “Let me tell you one thing, nigger. As long as you are black, and you’re gonna be black till the day you die, no one’s gonna call you by your goddamn name. So no matter what you are called, nigger, you just let it roll off your back like water, and you’ll make it. Just pretend you’re a goddamn piece of furniture.”

- Quote from a SLATE Article by Christopher Caldwell May 01, 2002

The statement above has been fact check and is accurate! This man was no "friend" of the black race, this is well documented and even better hidden. BTW, I grew up during Johnson's reign, so I am a first hand witness to that evil bastard's actions.

This statement sums up LBJ and his racist attitudes and is all I need to know about LBJ, not to begin to mention the tens of thousands of Americans that he sent to die in Vietnam . . . . all for what?

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Kojo's avatar

No, you don't understand. Nobody is "white", nor "black" in the first place.

Race-ism is an invention, a caste system, used by the oligarchy such as Johnson, to separate certain people for abuse, and to create a perception of a ladder, to induce the rest of the masses to engage in the exploitation of the chosen lower caste.

Yes people like Johnson knew full well what they were doing. It's the poor "whites" who don't understand it. That is the point there actually:

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

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Levi Tate's avatar

Israelis talk about an "investigation" as to what happened on October 7th.

The "investigation" will certainly be no different in quality from what we see in the US when the criminals investigate themselves.

September 11th is a prime example.

Bush/Cheney (CIA/Pentagon) were resistant to having any investigation ****whatsoever****.

We are seeing the same thing from Netanyahu right now - very resistant.

Bush/Cheney finally relented to the 9/11 Families and chose....

wait for it....

Henry Kissinger !! to lead an investigation!!

(You may or may not be aware of what a criminal Henry K was. )

Who will Israel choose?

The 9/11 Families screamed in protest over the choice of Henry Kissinger

so another insider shyster was chosen, one whose shenanigans in the service of Lies

was less known.

Everyone that isn't stupid knows what a con job the final report was about September 11th, the "official" narrative.

What type of con job will Israel produce when it "investigates" October 7th?

Some Israelis are creating a ruckus right now just as the 9/11 Families did.

(Note, the 9/11 Families are still actively pursuing the truth.)

1)

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-17/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-surprised-to-hear-what-happened-at-israeli-army-base-on-october-7/00000190-bfd0-d2f8-abdb-bff421df0000

archive: https://archive.ph/dXZv3

2)

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/haaretz-today/2024-07-17/ty-article/.highlight/netanyahu-is-playing-dumb-on-his-october-7-failures-dont-believe-him/00000190-c1e5-d258-a3ff-e5ed94dd0000

archive: https://archive.is/AkZMO

From 1)

[Netanyahu meeting with families of IDF border watchers, "spotters".]

"

At the meeting, the parents told Netanyahu about how their daughters had warned repeatedly of a Hamas invasion. The mother of one of the soldiers said that her daughter, who had just finished her training and had only served at the Nahal Oz base for a week, predicted what was about to happen.

"She came home to us and said: There's going to be an invasion," the mother said. "When did she tell you that?" Netanyahu asked, and the mother replied: "During the time she was there. She said it several times, in fact."

Another woman at the meeting said, "For a month, they were telling us every day: 'It's trouble, they [Hamas] keep training.'" The prime minister asked her: "They told you that?" And another participant answered: "They told us, and we demand answers about this, immediately, not when the war ends."

"

From 2)

" Opposition leader Yair Lapid called Netanyahu out even more explicitly, saying that when a national commission of inquiry does take place, he will be there to testify that he "saw the same intelligence materials that the prime minister saw" and that the information made it "clear to anyone who understands anything that something terrible was going to happen." "

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Kim Dixon's avatar

Things would be "better" if Trump wins, only in the sense that resistance to his policies will be immediate, and sustained.

If Kamalacop wins, the same factions that went quiescent with the election of Genocide Joe will not utter a word against her, as she makes war on innocents abroad, and continues Joe's eugenics covid policies against the least among us at home.

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Disek Jong's avatar

Agree. Trump's person, his persona is perfect for the job. His, words, postures all scream a human being in terrible condition. Unfortunately seems the necessary remedy - at least among all thats realistically available in who is actually gonna mount the White House Thrown. His shows the face of aMErica, the current predominant human order, the fundamental principle of "civilization" manifested in "nation states" for what they are. Without that, its all back to sleep girls boys, pass the popcorn while the world gets torn apart, human life made ever less bearable. That orange visage close up in yo kitchen didn't take first time round. Dey jus beggin fa maw.

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Alex Muller's avatar

I used a funny nickname to attack my opponents! That’s how you know I’m clever and you should listen to me

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Charles A. Robinson's avatar

"How broken does your sense of empathy have to be for you to see “Just make sure someone else is being abused by our systems instead of you” as a valid response to complaints about systemic problems? How devoid of basic human compassion do you have to be to be satisfied with that kind of position? " Yep, lots of spot on points Caitlin.

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Alex Muller's avatar

She really nailed that straw man

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Stephen Obisanya's avatar

As I’ve often said, some people simply want to believe, at any cost, that they do not live under a soft, repressive, tyrannical government. And they’ll do whatever they need to do to have that feeling validated, including championing political candidates who literally oppose their very interests. Because Trump.

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Alex Muller's avatar

Because trump is totally aligned with our interests.

It’s a two choice system people!

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Jo Waller's avatar

Don't forget Trump's hatred for China.

We are headed rapidly for the West versus The Rest. Trump may be pumping his wrinkly fists, Zelensky may have reached Kursk, Starmer may be talking big about Iran not attacking Israel- but they're just small men behind curtains pulling levers.

Putin, Xi and Hezbollah are pulling back the curtain for the big reveal. Coming soon!

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Claire Drouault's avatar

Why does it feel like both democratic and republican parties are working together to lower voters' expectations so we will normalize their shared agenda prioritizing power over humanity?

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Howard Pearce - Libertarian's avatar

because getting elected may be their most valuable goal ?

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Alex Muller's avatar

Might be a you problem

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Spot on! Well said!

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Carl Herman's avatar

As a professional historian with published research via The Claremont Colleges, I document 200+ years of the US as a lying, looting, Orwellian-illegal rogue state empire. I'm happy to discuss this publicly:

US illegal: History of rogue empire REQUIRING arrests in the present. Introduction to define ‘rogue state’ as perfect match with US illegal Wars of Aggression, Crimes Against Humanity, dictatorial government (1 of 11)

https://web.archive.org/web/20190721111021/https://washingtonsblog.com/2016/04/us-illegal-history-rogue-empire-requiring-arrests-present-introduction-define-rogue-state-perfect-match-us-illegal-wars-aggression-crimes-humanity.html

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Gnuneo's avatar

When the unexpected news came that Trump had won in 2016, I had tears of relief in my eyes, as it meant we had 4 more years to attempt to prevent armaggedon. If Kilary had won, none of us would be here today. Russia was not prepared for a war with NATO, and the self-same 'Ukraine patsy' would have been used - it would have gone nuclear.

I could handle the 4 years of gibberish, could barely notice much difference from the corporate media's normal gibberish.

Trump 2.0 may be a different beast, if the mass-rigging systems fail again, as he seems more focused - but will there be a difference in foreign policy? Who knows.

When you have an imperial cult on your generational starship, willing to destroy the entire ship unless they can "own" it all, what you really need is a mutiny to remove them.

Shame they control 'Napolean's dogs'.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

You are making a lot of unsubstantiated claims and hypotheses:

(1) You assume that if Hillary won 2016, a war would have broken out between NATO and Russia at that time, and that since Russia may have not been as well prepared as 2022, they would have resorted to nukes. That is a lot of assumptions and presumptions and conjecture, without enough concrete and credible evidence to back up such "thinking" and "theories".

(2) >>"...if the mass rigging fails again..."

Are you one of those that actually believe that Trump won the 2020 election? (BTW, even Trump doesn't believe that, though he sure fooled, conned, and grifted a lot of people into donating under the guise of support for his defense).

Trump keeps making a sucker out of his most ardent supporters, but still they persist in coming back for more punishment and humiliation. If that's not stupid, I don't know what is. The funny thing is, the stupidity does not end with Trump supporters. It extends far and wide with Hillary, Biden, and Kamala supporters too - they are almost as gullible as Trump supporters (and sometimes more so).

Like Caitlin keeps saying, there is only an Oligarchic Uniparty - and unfortunately, neither most Republican nor Democratic supporters seem to realize this - and until they do, I don't have much hope of any improvement in the US political system.

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Gnuneo's avatar

1. "Unsubstantiated claims". Those who know, know. In the interests of transubstantiation however, I will turn this water into wine. Jump to ~24mins for a min, and then I'd start at the beginning. Sounds like you'll know a lot of it, but perhaps not all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H0rCqaGtJw

2. By definition ALL fed US elections are mass-rigged, from duopoly setting the rules, to bumping off 3rd candidates from the ballots, to ensuring even internal Party challengers like Bernie are stitched up, to massive e-voting machine tampering, and to the latest scam, mail-in ballots. Add in voter deregistration, voter ID, and the effects of mass incarceration of the poor and minorities, and its a wonder that whoever the Establishment 'annoints' simply doesn't win by default.

As for whether the 2020 election was rigged, of course it was. Whether or not Tump actually won no-one will ever know, I certainly don't.

"The funny thing is, the stupidity does not end with Trump supporters. It extends far and wide with Hillary, Biden, and Kamala supporters too - they are almost as gullible as Trump supporters (and sometimes more so)."

Indeed.

"Like Caitlin keeps saying, there is only an Oligarchic Uniparty - and unfortunately, neither most Republican nor Democratic supporters seem to realize this - and until they do, I don't have much hope of any improvement in the US political system."

It wouldn't matter if they did know, already the largest group of voters is the "None of the Fuckers Above" who don't even bother lining up in hopes there will be enough ballot papers after the 8hrs wait in their own constituency, and that it will stay open long enough for them to vote, or that the Party Machines haven't already stuffed several boxes in their own favour.

Not for the affluent constituencies, obviously.

Even if only 5% of voters voted, the Uniparty Machine would declare itself the 'democratically elected winner'.

I don't have ANY hope of an improvement in the US political system.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

(1) Jimmy Dore? That's who you believe? Sure, he says a lot of things that are true - but he is a masterful storyteller, knows how to twist narratives and spin amazing webs, sleazeball, grifter, chameleon, and a bunch of other words I'd like to use to describe him. He basically has no integrity other than his own "financial" gains. He is in a class of his own, and is not even remotely in the league of Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal, Abby Martin, and so many others.

>>"Those who know, know"

Yes, this can be used as a rebuttal about anything and everything. Conspiracy theorists often use the same line of reasoning. It is not a logical or rational argument in support of your theory. Since when do you take the 'public' words of politicians (eg. Lindsey Graham) as validation or proof of anything? If that's how you (or rather Jimmy Dore) wish to roll, there are thousands of 'public statements' made by politicians that amount to nothing other than theatre.

(2) >>"By definition ALL fed US elections are mass-rigged"

You're confusing 2 separate concepts - (a) the system being intrinsically designed in a specific way to serve the interests of the power elite (which happens in most nations if not all), and (b) actual, real rigging (and not normal errors that lie within the range of margin-of-error probabilities with all elections and voting systems).

>>"As for whether the 2020 election was rigged, of course it was. Whether or not Tump actually won no-one will ever know, I certainly don't."

I guess you don't believe in evidence. Many conspiracy theorists don't. Facts are pesky and inconvenient. I understand. It is more pleasurable to resolve cognitive dissonances than to objectively analyze evidence (BTW, this isn't a Team R/Team D thing or a right-left thing). When Republicans win, Team D are the people with conspiracy theories and 'stolen election' theories. When Democrats win, Team R are the people with the conspiracy theories and 'stolen election' theories.

If you go back over all the elections in the US from the last 50 years (maybe more, I haven't checked that far back), you will notice a reliable pattern - the losing team always manages to come up with some conspiracy theory or the other (often differing in the magnitudes of the theories) to justify their disappointment of the results. The fact that there are conspiracy theories about "stolen elections" is nothing new. What's different with Trump (and his supporters) is that despite there being a plethora of evidence against such theories, he has managed to pull-the-wool quite successfully over his followers AND conned millions into raising funds for his 'alleged election defense' while consciously misappropriating those funds and donations for his own personal purposes. I guess there's a sucker born every minute, but with Trump it seems like there is a sucker born every second...and foolishly loyal suckers at that...

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Lew A (Lincoln) Welge's avatar

Hear, hear!

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russian_bot's avatar

"Jimmy Dore? That's who you believe? Sure, he says a lot of things that are true - but he is a masterful storyteller, knows how to twist narratives and spin amazing webs, sleazeball, grifter, chameleon, and a bunch of other words I'd like to use to describe him. He basically has no integrity other than his own "financial" gains. He is in a class of his own, and is not even remotely in the league of Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal, Abby Martin, and so many others."

...chokaski seem to know lots 'bout Jimmy Dore factual stuff no less chokaski the all-knowin' all-feelin' maharashi where the fuck chokaski got the insight ...

Oh, I know! You a fan of George Carlin chokaski right? Seems like you're mostly a fan of his and his wife's drug/alcohol binges, being constantly in the daze, knocked out, endangering their daughter and other peoples lives. And sounding almost proud of it (his "Last Words").

Because it certainly feels like you're on some heavy shit when you spray your brainfarts all over the forum. Fucking nutcase.

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Gnuneo's avatar

Just to tell you, I didn't bother reading much of the first paragraph. But I'm sure you enjoyed the feeling of virtue signalling, so its all good.

If you HAD bothered to jump to that section in the video, you'd have seen actual footage of McCain and Graham speaking to Azov, and heard what they had to say.

But you enjoy your bliss, and virtue-signal away.

You can write another moronic essay, and I won't read that either.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

In fact, you posted a video that proved your theory wrong. Talk about displaying self-incriminating evidence.

Here's more info:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/12/31/mccain-visits-frontline-ukraine-troops-anti-putin-gesture/96036782/

(1) McCain and Graham talked to the Azov Battalian in Dec 2016 - AFTER TRUMP WAS ELECTED.

(2) In the video, Graham says "2017 will be the year of offense". (i.e. during a TRUMP presidency, NOT a potential Hillary presidency)

(3) Graham is a REPUBLICAN, not a democrat.

It's interesting that you present a video that debunks everything you say. From the video, it shows that this was happening under a TRUMP presidency, not a potential Hillary Presidency.

Try critical thinking once in a while, it helps...

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"You can write another moronic essay, and I won't read that either."

That's what conspiracy theorists do - they avoid having to deal with facts, evidence, and things that bring about cognitive dissonance. Your current excuse to support your theories - "you are virtue signalling so I won't read what you write".

Thank you for proving my points about your thought processes and biases.

(BTW, I did watch the part you mention. Where is the connection between what is shown in the clip and your theory? Where is the logic? Can you make a convincing case other than pointing to a clip of politicians talking as proof of evidence for your theory? How are you connecting the dots?)

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russian_bot's avatar

You know what chokaski I've had my suspicions for a while you could be some synthetic character having been relatively late to substack, and doing these spineless amoeba-like gymnastics being all over the place most of the time.

And if you are real then the AI engineers should be watching and create a special "chokaski" filter for their bullshit generator algorithm. This will be a special kind of filter: usually a filter filters out stuff to make results smaller, but chokaski filter would balloon the output according to indicated level.

Oh, and it'll definitely have a special "turn chokaski up to 11" setting, which will also be known as "through the roof chokaski".

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