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Brianna Amore's avatar

It should be noted that the word "apocalypse" comes from the Greek apokalypsis, which means "uncovering", "revelation", or "disclosure". It does NOT mean the "end of the world" and that has been a colossal misinterpretation by Biblical scholars.

We are witnessing apocalypse this very moment.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

And the clarity that the stupid US is trying to fight a 20th century war against a 21st century opponent who knows the power of economic warfare against a crumbling empire.

Davina's avatar

Yep. Who on here said "You don't mess with people who invented algebra"?

Iran is a highly educated country, with women placed in so many high position jobs, often by more than 50% in jobs that are deemed male dominated in the West. If any country would try to hold them back in tech they're fools, because Iranians will find ways to make cheaper and better operating tech than that other country thinks is special.

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

Exactly. Who are the barbarians ?

Veronica Baker's avatar

Do you ever think sometimes, that the real barbarians here in the west, would somehow feel proud of being called that? I mean, they're really weird like that.

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

They are weird, that's why we call them barbarians. They are uneducated fanatisme.

Veronica Baker's avatar

For sure, but the way they talk about other people's as barbarian's adding many other words like, live like animals, depraved, unintelligent, you have to be extra weird for that, even though it all describes them to a T.

unwarranted's avatar

I recently watched a documentary titled The Act of Killing, where invited Indonesian former military and paramilitary soldiers who had murdered on behalf of Suharto in the 1960’s talked about their crimes and re-enacted them for accuracy. A line that was repeated unapologetically, “…all free men are gangsters and gangsters are essential for people to be free.”

Indonesia’s coup was a CIA creation, and greed can manufacture more brutality than people can naturally conjure.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Funnily enough I've just watched the Iranian rock/metal band who of late have been putting songs and music to Iran's lego videos. In the comments I was reading the guy who answers on there said, " the Indonesian people support us, it's the government that got taken over by the USA that's the problem. So yes, that coup unfortunately worked.

Peter Sawchuk's avatar

Look at our actions and you know who the barbarians are.

Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Cornelia, The barbarian says he will bomb Iran back to the stone ages!

Landru's avatar

Depends on if you like the phrase? You are so right, I work at an international lab for science or did when science was important. I saw all of that first hand.

Never Fuck With People Who Invented Algebra. No truer words spoken : )

I said that with a long, long, long time friend sitting across from me at lunch.

We were talking about what would happen and how the war would be prosecuted by Iran. When I said it She looked at me like I had lied to her or I was joking.

Now I love this friend like my own Sister, I was on her thesis experiment many, many years ago. She whipped out her phone and looked it up, I was stunned really

hahahha. I was like is it that hard to believe or do I lie to often : ) hahahha

I said that's not all that came out of Iran, the modern Calendar, etc.

Iran people of logic. Makes me want to go back in time and become Iranian, maybe I would have been a better chess player : (

Veronica Baker's avatar

One things for sure my friend, they're getting a close up view of how Iranians create missiles and drones.

Veronica Baker's avatar

They definitely make a lie of the USA military having the biggest and bestest of everything in the art of warfare as a certain person describes it all.

I saw some writer saying Iran will soon run out of weapons because they won't be able to buy anymore, silly man, they make their own in the deep underground factories that Trump hasn't a hope in hell of ever discovering. And as you say, at a much cheaper price than the USA.

Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

I think we can add this to the equation, Veronica. The big bad wolf is taking a beating and the rest of the world is seeing it happen. That may have an interesting side effect. It may actually give the vassals of the USA a bit more courage to stand up to it. They may begin to think that they don't have to take insults from the USA, manipulation and bullying. It may even make them "grow a pair."

Veronica Baker's avatar

One would hope that would be the effect, though how long before they're laying down awaiting castaration again I'm not sure.

Landru's avatar

Yes, never fuck with people who invented Algebra : ) I would love to claim I had that same strategy for Iran, and I did : ) In fact Iraq could have destroyed WE in the u.s. by doing exactly the same thing in destroying the country of Saudi/israel's oil facilities done and over. At that time it would have been even more devastating. The moment aircraft carriers and troops began the slightest motion to Iraq. Boom over done.

This is way Iran can not stop until much of the oil industry is controlled by the people rather than the Kings. Absolutely brilliant battle strategy. I love the logic game however, the death doesn't allow me to sleep knowing how this is going to go.

Damn, Never Fuck With People Who Invented Algebra. : )

Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

And who brought the game chess to the world, Landru.

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

Paradoxe : apparently Trump wants to return Iran "to the Stone Ages". I have never seen written something more ridiculous.

PerraVerde's avatar

Well it was first used by the US in 1968 about Vietnam, then in 2001/2 about Afghanistan and Pakistan and there are probably more examples which you can check yourself. Not a new phrase unfortunately.

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

I now fear that Trump is talking about total destruction, i.e, a nuclear bomb.

Peter Sawchuk's avatar

Look at the ridiculous example of a "world leader'' and you will begin to understand why the written words are so ridiculous. Garbage in garbage out!

Veronica Baker's avatar

I'm glad you wrote those words, I've just realised who Trump reminds me of besides a big old Toad, as that's not fair on toads and they happen to be solitary creatures, I think one of the Flintstones suits Trump perfectly.

Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

They learned their lesson well, Vin.

Davina's avatar

Drumpf in his eagerness to rule the world has been in such a one-eyed hurry he has exposed what so many have known about the US, but were shouted down by those taken in by the glitz. There's nothing glamorous there. I visited it years back but spent most of my time away from Americans, who I found to be extremely rude, service perfunctory, and they thought it okay to point and laugh at someone that knew how to use a knife and fork while eating.

Most of my time was spent with the indigenous people of that stolen land, who invited me into their homes, shared so much because I was open to hearing and learning their history and beliefs. I was adopted by the family I spent most time with and given my native name (that's for me to know) which fit certain happenings while I was there.

When we went to a restaurant together - which had a queue for tables -the waitress called to me that a table was free, her shock on she realising I was with the native group that she kept ignoring was priceless. We did that quite a few times because it gave them so much enjoyment. When they took me along to their places I was never shunned, in fact I was always welcomed, even given the job of judging the winner at one of their switch sexes dress up dance nights. It was hilarious.

So, America has never been on my list of, remotely interesting, places to visit. Maybe the scenery is worth seeing but so much is attached to historical violence and the indigenous are still kept down as much as possible. I would never go back there.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

The US was founded as an apartheid state and like its imitator, Israel, had no right to exist from the onset.

Landru's avatar

Yes there are some very special places here as there are everywhere. I have a photo of my Son and I on the edge of a cliff on the Grand Canyon, a photo of him with his hand outstretched holding the Lone Cypress in Ca. The both of us standing on the foot board of a trolley in San Fransisco looking out at the San Fransisco Bay.

BTW, I wonder if that's why I'm divorced : ) Oh a photo of him hand out palm up with a Blimp in the sky over the beaches of Tampa Bay Fl. That doesn't make up for the shitty people we are. Oh a photo of him with some Archeologists around a dig in Mesa Verda. OH hands and feet in four corners having seen the Zuni people. The bottom of the Crater in Meteor City. I always carry the shame of my family coming from the Tower of London having spoken out against the Church of England. 1631, leave to the New World or stay in prison. So we moved and raped and pillaged from Mass. to Oregon in the name of religion at the start. Now a Glacier named for my family has melted, putting war before environment that's gotta be good right : (

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

Thank you for this story 👏🏻

derwood kirkwood's avatar

It would help to start the piece with a suggestion the reader have a vomit bag ready, given the nauseating degree of merciless virtue signalling.

Peter Sawchuk's avatar

With a few exceptions this has been my experience as well. My wife and I (even though I am white) are considered elders in the community. Western Society could learn a lot by studying and trying to emulate their approach.

Gnuneo's avatar

It is the "end of the world" for religious hierarchies though, who steal the wealth of the population to put gold roofs on churches, and imagine themselves "holy" for so behaving.

Anamnesia is what PKD called it. The loss of amnesia.

Brianna Amore's avatar

There will always be rubes for those religious hierarchies to fleece, however.

Gnuneo's avatar

Same with political hierarchies, 'sports' hierarchies, etc etc. Any opportunity available to "game" ANY system will be used in that way eventually - and chronically.

As the so-called "Communist" states showed, controlling society so absolutely as to manage to eradicate those sources of corruption, makes such a society a grey, dull, authoritarian nightmare.

There's no such thing as "utopia", or "perfection", or "heaven", because humans ourselves is why "We can't have nice things".

There's a place for religion and faith when it isn't used for corrupt purposes, and "rubes" are what we all are when we are in over our heads, drowning fast, and naked hope is all we have left.

Personally, I think "Marxism is the opiate of the materialist intelligentsia", with pretty much the same intent as when Marx used the phrase. There is no doubt whatsoever that many "Marxists" see that as the same path to untrammeled power, wealth, fame and indeed sex as the worst so-called "Christian" or other lamestream religious wannabes would.

"Rubes"; "Useful Idiots" - is there much difference irl?

Mark Whitson (M)'s avatar

Loss of amnesia… nice!

Jane Stoll's avatar

I see what’s happening as Ragnarök, the Norse end of the world. In Ragnarok, the wolf Fenris breaks free from his chains and eats the universe. Fenris represents insatiable greed, lust, corruption, and aggression. Nearly all the world’s governments have been taken over by organized crime, which is the embodiment of Fenris.

CK's avatar
Apr 2Edited

Brianna Amore,

The New Testament of the Bible including the Book of Revelation was originally written in Greek. As such, the Book of Revelations is the Apocalypse. Any native Greek and Greek speaker understands that, and the use of the terms “apokalipsi” and “apokalpsis” are still in use today as both nouns and verbs to mean something like “figuring things out” , or “anticipating” or “anticipation”.

The “colossal misunderstanding” that you mention derives from poor scholarship or failure to understand Greek language.

Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Sounds somewhat similar to how the meaning of 'jihad,' is translated, which means struggle, not necessarily with any type of arms or violence, and not necessarily directed at someone other than oneself.

CK's avatar

The mujahideen are people who engage in jihad in pursuit of truth and religious knowledge.

Consider the Taliban — In Arabic “Talib” means “seeker" or "student," and usually associated with the pursuit of knowledge, particularly in religious contexts. It derives from the Arabic verb "talaba," which means "to seek" or "to request."

Veronica Baker's avatar

Even our bad understanding of Greek words has changed over the years, take a word and look what it says in the first English dictionary and look it up in a modern one, some words in there mean the total opposite to what they meant originally.

Peter Sawchuk's avatar

Or blatant manipulation.

Raymond Kalberg's avatar

Definitely an unveiling of the hidden truth.

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

THANK you. I misinterpreted "apocalypse" then.

Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

Cornelia, We can learn something new everyday.

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

We do. Living is changing, learning until the end.

Glen Andersen's avatar

I was about to write that very thing . Thanks , now I can write this instead: now that the emperor has been disrobed in public and we are all that snarky little boy in the back row of the parade, we should be ready for the next step.: take back control of our world from the fearful arrogant misanthropes who’ve been stealing it from us and all other sentient beings for millennia. (and have our own parade through the streets with their heads on poles- in effigy of course. We can still show compassion, or at least pity, to our enemies)

Veronica Baker's avatar

That's weird we both appear to have chosen the Emperor's new clothes to lead into our comments, not exactly the same but still based around that theme.

Mark Whitson (M)'s avatar

Or as I like to see it: a-pause-between-epics

A difficult and dangerous place…

líng's avatar

Interesting to know! It echoes the Chinese word for "crisis", 危机, which comprises two parts: 危 (wēi) meaning "danger" and 机 (jī) meaning opportunity. It's viewed as a fork in the road that requires discernment. Iran has shown exemplary maneuvers in turning the tides despite the devastating cost imposed on them.

Landru's avatar

Thank you for that. Very interesting, so much so I thought I would and should have known that.

Simon's avatar

Excellent observation. If you understand the Book of Revelation (also known as the Apocalypse of St. John) you will know its for all time, not any particular period. There are just heightened times of revealing, like now with this naked emperor and his clown court manipulated by his evil handler. Fortunately those "with ears to hear and eyes to see" are increasing in number as the mask is ripped off global power to reveal it's ugly face.

Janice's avatar

It actually means the end of the wicked. Not the end of the world. The earth is eternal.

Brianna Amore's avatar

Yes but most people think it means the end of the world. That's why these End Time lunatics are doing everything in their power to hasten our demise so Jesus will come down and Rapture them up to Heaven. Or so they believe.

Dr.Who's avatar

And may the perpetrators of Empire hang from lampposts across the nation.

Landru's avatar

: ) A few decades ago I can't imagine a smiley face but here we are, a live streamed Genocide and countries proud of it : (

Peter Sawchuk's avatar

Of course! Satan and his minions revel in cruelty.

Lloyd's avatar

This is the one thing Trump has done - Shown the world just how ugly the Empire is. The world is staring at the bare bones and it’s nasty.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Definitely leaves more than a bad taste in your mouth, nasty with a capital N.

Tenggara's avatar

In a horrific way, Trump was the right person at the right time to expose all this due to his humongous ego

The Revolution Continues's avatar

This may be Donald's only "positive" personality trait--his overblown ego (along with his vast stupidity) that has helped the empire collapse in front of our eyes.

Indu Abeysekara's avatar

To The Revolution continues - Trump was always his crude big, better, best! Make America great and great again! 🤣 😂 How did the world put up with his insufferable ego; his stupidity; and the funniest thing was how the vassal state heads sat cringing next to him and received his insults.

He did accelerate the collapse of empire. Bravo Trump!

The Revolution Continues's avatar

Perhaps the only good deed he has ever done (without even knowing he was doing us all a favor).

Baldmichael's avatar

Perhaps he does it deliberately.

Davina's avatar

What is so crazy is this nonsense about Drumof being chosen by Jesus, and this unholy war on Iran being feted as "for Jesus" such blasphemous rubbish has to come back and bite them in the arse.

If they wanted to use prophecy, they should have taken the time to read their bibles, properly then they would have found that a false prophet comes before Jesus, not the other way round. And that means Drumpf IS the false prophet.

Tenggara's avatar

Anybody looking at The Orange One and go “yup Jesus chose him” is truly delusional. And I’m sure Trumpo is laughing at them behind their backs

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

No, one must be more intelligent for that.

Chetzmom4's avatar

Seems there's antichristS- many who claim to "know the way."

Peter Thiel was doing a 3 part show on how the Antichrist is Humanity and the return of Jesus is AI... or some crap like that.

Bibi is Trump's Boss and is about as evil as it gets...

Elon, Bill Gates, Alex Karp, all the Technofasts & the ROTHSCHILDS-EPSTEIN CLASS have a plan for Greater Israel and to reduce the world population to a manageable slave force... use us for spare parts, sex slaves, etc.

PEDOES & WORSE RUN ALL THE WESTERN COUNTRIES.

It truly is the Age of Aquarius.

ALL WILL BE REVEALED.

Community is Our Greatest Resource ✌️

Veronica Baker's avatar

That's exactly what Revelation says, and why it says don't look for the antichrist because you will see him here and you will see him there.

John Mann's avatar

The only books in the Bible that mention the antichrist (or antichrists) are the first and second letters of John. The book of Revelation does speak about "the Beast". Some people believe that the Beast is the same as the antichrist, but that is far from certain.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Fair enough, in Revelation it could mean the one that comes before the antichrist.

SUZANNE OBRIEN's avatar

Antichrist specifically with Elon being the false prophet. ✨🙏🏼✨Trump the little horn the man of lawlessness who has no true regard/respect for women… the vile one… Elon, the earth beast with his AI and brain implants…

Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

As long as humans continue to believe in a deity they will remain tethered to the Dark Ages. Religion has always been used as social control.

Baldmichael's avatar

That is probably because he is likely the last Trump of the Bible!

Cui Bono's avatar

The west has never been honorable

The rot began not with a single lie,

but with the naming—how they called it “grace”

to yoke a continent, to brand a face,

to drape the cross where stolen gods go to die.

They wrote their laws in ink made thick with sighs

of chained men breathing in the hold’s embrace,

then spoke of freedom in that very place,

and taught their children not to see the cries.

Their honor was a lantern hung to show

the path to others while they kept the map

that led to mines where children’s fingers cracked.

Their honesty, a ledger they’d outgrow

when gold grew heavy in a conqueror’s lap—

a founding myth they never looked back from, intact.

So tell me now of honor, tell me “truth”

from mouths still wet with blood-soaked yield.

Their glory is a sword they never sheathed,

their word a snare, their promise is a tooth

that grins while history bleeds upon the field.

The west was never honest. Never honorable. Just crowned in wreaths.

Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Amazing Cui Bono!

Reminds me of a protest song from a global south country. I am no poet, therefore this is a rough translation:

" the white man didn't go away.He didn't stay either,

The flag is our's, the rope is his".

( With apologies to the singer and the song ).

Kevin Hester's avatar

After five decades of activism in 'Liberal' pressure groups in the West and my time living in two war zones, the occupied six counties of Ireland and apartheid destabilized Mozambique, I've learned 'the hard way' that liberals can't be trusted, they constitute the epitome of a 'counter revolutionary.' Under pressure they will always side with the hegemon, either directly, or by default, when not speaking out for the oppressed.

Let's not lose sight of the reality that all this warmongering is grinding the living planet into dust", GMP.

No ecosystem can survive relentless attack, and that's what we have with the Zionist axis and their 'forever wars'.

https://kevinhester.live/2025/08/26/war-in-the-east-war-in-the-west-war-up-north-war-down-south-every-where-theres-war-environmental-carnage/

Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

As Phil Ochs said long ago in his great song "Love Me, I'm a Liberal."

Ant7's avatar

Oh yes thanks Caitlin

“May the lies and obfuscations continue to unravel. May the truth continue to reveal itself.”

Only then can we heal … otherwise we keep putting bandaids over abscesses.

Diana van Eyk's avatar

The truth has to be revealed so that we can heal, as hard as it is to witness. The deep inner work is being done outwardly now.

dacoelec's avatar

100 percent correct, Caitlin!

Michael's avatar

We’re too fragmented to fight this, and they know it. Pretty soon they won’t need propaganda. The AI, cameras everywhere, currency control, military police force..they’re ready and we are not

Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Speak for yourself. As a Marxist, none of this surprises me about capitalism and imperialism.

Luke's avatar

I figured this out during Covid. It’s why I tried to wake the masses and it’s the same reason I am working so hard now. If enough people are awake and the Govt gets jammed up the mask will slip.

They will have 1 of 2 options. 1 would be to slink away and regroup. 2 would be to take the mask off and go full totalitarian. I’m afraid we have reached the Rubicon now. In other words the 1st option is probably no option at all.

Couple things that bring us to the crossroads. Israel is hemorrhaging literally and figuratively. The world’s reserve currency USD is already on the ropes. I heard Jamie Dimon selling the war today on Fox with Kilmeade. I knew right then Trump would NOT be announcing a withdrawal of our military from Iran.

Even more so than Israel, the petrodollar played a role in the decision to attack Iran. Iran, Russia, China etc all get it. Iran has NO intention of choking the world of oil. They don’t need to. All they need to do is make sure nations are NOT using USD to pay for oil in the Persian Gulf….and it’s checkmate.

All Wars are Bankers Wars

Veronica Baker's avatar

When they say the root of all evil is money they weren't kidding, thousands of years ago and yet here we are, rightly as you say, letting the Bankers ( my finger wants to hit the W for some reason) win again.

Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

They don't say that. The correct expression is "THE LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil." People constantly misquote this.

Veronica Baker's avatar

I wasn't quoting from the Bible though but yes I agree, in that collection of books it does say that.

Luke's avatar

This is so depressing Veronica. I was worried during Covid with the shutdowns BUT this is getting ready to be a MAGNITUDE Worse. Make sure you have some water and food for a couple months if possible.

This guy is a great follow.

https://no01.substack.com/p/so-much-winning?r=nvvvu&utm_medium=ios

Veronica Baker's avatar

This is where you have to learn to be Palestinian or Iranian, in spite of what is happening, the horrors etc; they still wear a smile, yes they mourn but their faith keeps natural joy there.

When covid started I slowly built up a food store for if things went totally wrong, ever since I have kept rotating it or replaced if money was short and I had to dip into it. Okay would get boring after a while but boring is better than starving. Water is the biggest problem as here in England the price of bottled water is stupid now whereas I used to use it every day, at worst I have a couple of life straws, used to use them when hiking and camping, so any water available I could access. I hope it doesn't come to that but, who knows.

Thanks for the link I'll check it out right now.

Luke's avatar

Peanut butter is a good way to put back calorie dense food quick. And Apologies, I don’t mean to alarm you. Things are going to get rough in all The Western Nations. I would tell you it is part of a plan but I no longer believe that. Truth is the people who run things are just dumb. Trump has become the pinnacle of Idiocracy

Veronica Baker's avatar

I'm not alarmed don't worry, I agree, rough times ahead for all of us in the West at least.

I agree about peanut butter but I also have it dried as well, little bit of water and the jobs a good 'un but not if you only eat crunchy. Dried peanut butter and dried whole egg I like to keep amounts in store, both provide energy and keep well even when opened.

Peter Sawchuk's avatar

Make sure you stock up on barter items as well as protective assets as this may last longer than any of us can imagine. You may very well have to hunt, fish and forage to survive this. Supply yourself accordingly.

Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

I refuse to live like that. It is a step backward.

Luke's avatar

Excellent points, I will throw more out because it’s very easy to overlook. Don’t forget about access to clean water. Cooking and drinking obviously, but also for hygiene and mental well being.

Peter Sawchuk's avatar

Sorry I missed it. I live on the edge of true wilderness in Northern Canada. I am perhaps guilty of taking clean water for granted.

Luke's avatar

Sounds like a great place to be as long as you have the winters figured out. I am starting to think the less people around the better for what comes next.

Veronica Baker's avatar

An interesting read, I had heard about those war games back in 2002, talk about head in the sand, the General who played his side exactly as Iran are doing or near enough, proving that the"imaginary" country would win, instead had to let the USA win by cheating. 😆

I read the rest quickly but took screenshots galore so I can read it as when I want to at a slower pace. Great link, thanks again.

martin's avatar

latest over here is that iran says the strait of hormuz is only closed for ships of the enemy. others can 'make deals' :-) and there's been rumors those involve non-dollar currency.

Sera's avatar

“I’m all for transparency”, said the little boy to the Emperor.

But it’s far worse than us knowing what idiots these people are. They’re being flaunted to us now: “Look at the debased vulgarians we’ve got you to vote for! You keep complaining about them, we’ll keep pulling the strings.”

Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

I don't vote for any capitalist party. I vote for the Socialist Equality Party.

Liam's avatar

“Governments are able to abuse people because the dynamics of corruption and tyranny aren’t clearly seen by the public, who would violently revolt if they truly understood what their leaders are doing to them and to their world.”

I wish I knew what made you so confident in this. I have to try very hard to have this kind of faith in people.

Patrick Powers's avatar

One of the strangest things is that the suffering of one person whose name and face they know is a tragedy but the suffering of millions is greeted with indifference.

Liam's avatar

Americans don’t see nonwhite foreigners as fully human. There is no number of Arabs that could be brutally murdered by their government that could ever mean as much to them as one white American dying.

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

They (in the US) still think "races". A darker skincolor is not another race. We are ALL homo sapiens (one and the same "race").

Janice's avatar

Got evidence for this?

Liam's avatar

Literally all of American history, culture, and discourse is “evidence” of this. From our treatment of “veterans” as if they’re heroes, to our discussion of “foreign policy” as though it’s just another issue on the same level of importance as education or healthcare, to just comparing the outrage in the American public when white Americans are murdered versus when orders of magnitude more Arabs are exterminated en masse.

American exceptionalism and white supremacy are the bedrock on which this country is formed. Violence towards foreigners is required to maintain our higher-than-average standard of living. We have cheap stuff because we murdered someone in the global South so their stuff could be stolen. And a lot of work goes into making sure we never question that. Conditioning us to treat non-American life as if it’s cheap is one of the most important ones. It’s an implicit assumption baked into every aspect of this country.

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

History of the Westerners and their system, i.e. capitalism at any human and environ mental costs.

Still pointing out skincolors, a detail of every human being, is part of it, yes.

Francis/Clare's avatar

Overgeneralization. True of drumpf supporters. True in Europe, too, but not everyone.

Liam's avatar
Apr 2Edited

No. It’s most Americans, in both of the mainstream political parties. The longer we live in denial about this, the worse it gets.

There’s no number of Palestinians in Gaza that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris could’ve slaughtered in a brutal and obvious genocide that would’ve led to most Democrats refusing to vocally support and vote for them. The same could not be said if they were annihilating an American city instead. I know this, because you all went ballistic when Trump sieged Minneapolis with ICE and killed two white Americans. This is a tiny, insignificant fraction of the damage done to Gaza, and yet it provoked many, many times the outrage from mainstream Dems. There is only one explanation for that: they see American lives as infinitely more valuable than Palestinian ones.

Francis/Clare's avatar

There's a lack of empathy in general. Are the Russians worried about the Ukrainians? Every empire on earth involved armies violently taking over people just trying to live their lives. It's a sickness. Iraq, the Brits involved too. Not just us, but it's so truly horrifying and heartbreaking and unnecessary. All for money in the end. They're men in general who have this inhuman greed.

Liam's avatar

Your original claim was that I was overgeneralizing about Americans. You are now claiming that what I’m saying applies to lots of other people, as well.

The fact of the matter is that there are no other empires, right now. No other country at present is comparable to the United States’ level of global control and violence. Americans are unique in their sense of entitlement to dominate other people’s lives. And that sense of entitlement comes from a uniquely American sense of superiority and exceptionalism. The only similar country is Israel, which is basically an American proxy at this point.

Denyse D Turcot's avatar

I am over and over again ashamed of what Israel is capable of doing without any consequence.I am stunend that the US is taken over by Isreal..a foreign country is running the US. What is there to say. Every day when I wake up, and once more not listening to regular channels because that is all about nothing...but going to podcasts and listening to respected people who have studied history, continue to deliver the newest horrific event of the day..will it ever stop. It seems people, government are so afraid to stand up to Trump. Ok..but I have a hard time understanding why the world is letting all this happen...? why? living in a peaceful world seems to be of another time..Climate issues not even being talked about...more important to listen to the lies of the Trump gang..and all that is happening is a perfect diversion of the continued slaughter of the Palestinian people, the Palestinians living in Westbank..and NOTHING is mentioned on regular news..how can the reporters, the news people be so well paid that they dare not tell the truth...it is all just disguting.. I feel very helpless to do anything, except to try to be more loving, patient with my own family, with people I meet. And still, this is a place where it is possible to say what you feel. For example, I hate the Israeli government and what they are doing to the whole world. the word hate, bothers me a lot. I have always loved all cultures, the differences, the beauty of the differences...now I do feel hate for what this small country is doing Why can't they be stopped?

Richard Parker's avatar

Stop making the mistake that Israel is controlling the US. That is fundamentally incorrect, but maybe it makes you feel better to shove the blame onto Israel?

"Oh, it's not Americans, it's not really the government, you see, it's Israel doing all these horrible things".

This is unacceptable.

The US is fully complicit.

Israel wants to dominate and ethnically cleanse the entire Middle East. Washington wants to retain regional hegemony and control the oil.

Trump is now threatening to bomb Iran "back to the stone age". He means it. It's also Israel's goal.

The only difference is that Israel indoctrinates its brats from birth to hate all Arabs and consider them subhuman, to be killed and mistreated without compunction.

The US does this on a case by case basis, depending on who is the current target, it's been the Germans, the Japanese, the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the Iraqis, the Syrians, the Cubans and so on.

Peter Sawchuk's avatar

I used to say there will never be a nuclear war because there is no profit in it. Now I'm not so sure. I wake up every morning expecting to see that Israel has pushed the button Why? Because their philosophy is " If I can't have it nobody can." They are a cancer on the earth that may eventually kill its host.

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

You are not the only one questionning how this inhumanity can be accepted, go on.

Gentry Cooper's avatar

We black people have clearly seen it and so have millions if not billions of others in the global south, for over 100 years Caitlin.

Yes the problem is cultural.

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

And black for human beings is a cultural invention. Why perpetuate it ? Nobody is black nor white. We have different skincolors but all the same brain.

Gentry Cooper's avatar

Oh stop being silly. Black and white here is terminology used to strictly differentiate between people of European descent and African descent, that's all.

Substitute any adjectives you want to use to describe both groups, the premise remains the same.

People of differing cultures, attitudes use their brains to achieve goals in different ways.

People's cultures, philosophies are not the same.

That being the case, what is your point?

Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

Why mention skincolors at all ? Why not talk about someone because of his or her achievement, goal, culture, whatever.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Did you know King James 1, he of Bible fame, sold 15, 000 Irishmen into slavery after having them branded, then he was left with a problem if all their women and children who had begged to go with their men, what to do? Ah yes, brand the lot of them and sell them into slavery into other places.