It is bad enough that the Israeli government is putting forth all these ridiculous positions, which in a black comedy would be very funny, but the mainstream media is so caught up with trying to prove the university encampments are "antisemitic and terrorist" that they totally missed this story https://www.commondreams.org/news/smotrich-gaza-annihilation in which an Israeli minister once again advocates for the "total annihilation" of Gaza. I guess the act of printing such a story could be considered antisemitic.
Yes, it again highlights the obvious (or what should be apparent to most people but unfortunately isn't) - that the US (& Israel) do not really care about Jews or Judaism. What they care about are power, money, control of resources, maintaining global hegemony, etc. and will peddle whatever narratives support their evil and immoral objectives.
Because you are wrong. There is no intend for genocide. They want you to stop Hamas. But Hamas puts civilians as shields. These asses built underground tunnels to protect just Hamas. Hamas has governed the Gazans since 2007 and has done nothing but keep every thing for themselves. Gazans have been hungry for years. Israel is not the bad guy here. It’s Hamas, who violated a cease fire on 10/7 and attempted a Genocide on Israeli’s - that was a heinous massacre!!!! But oh, I guess no big deal. Why? Because they were Jews.
In just the latest example of a top Israeli official openly calling for the elimination of Gaza and the 2.3 million Palestinians who live there, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich on Tuesday demanded the destruction of cities and refugee camps in the blockaded enclave.
Similar articles appeared in other newspapers, including the Haaretz
wow. I am so sorry that you have been so brainwashed, so lied to. I think it possibly could help you to watch the documentary "Israelism" made by some young American Jews. https://www.israelismfilm.com/
I’m so not brainwashed. You are just misinformed and so sorry for that but you no are clueless. Poor you. No genocide. Go look it up in the dictionary. And wake the F up about Hamas- irans proxies and the fact that Islam will be in your home
- like it or not sooner than you think . Wake up missy.
The day may come sooner than you think that you will be feeling the same way that many German civilians felt after the Nazis went on their murder spree.
also, you are totally wrong that I don't care about Jewish deaths. I do. My problem is the response of the Zionist State of Israel. It is murderous and horrible.
Everyone is fearful and angry, both DEI advocates and opponents. That is by divide-and-conquer design. The whole process of "progress", if that's the word, could proceed more naturally, more slowly and likely in more limited ways, if the (whole) populace simply was respected. It isn't, at all.
You are a piece of funny work because Hamas has done nothing to protect Gazans. You must be daft. Because Hamas used the Gazans to take hit on behalf of them. They resell the food there’s given for side. They shoot Gazans if they dare to take food dropped.,Hamas is only interested in killing. They are irans proxy and will continue to kill Israelis until they have destroyed Israel. You sit on in the wrong side. And I am not paranoid. You obviously don’t understand how Iran is the head of the snake. You can just stay In your BS side.,
There are lots of people, even influential American politicians who don’t regard that as a bad thing. These days to publicly support such a notion is considered quite acceptable. The same fools prattle on about the sacrosanct precepts of ‘The Founding Fathers’. Americans these days live out a tragic cognitive dissonance that is rarely seen except in the minds of slaves or battered wives
I’ve said it 100 times before and I’ll say it again million more if I have to; DARVO tactics. All narcissistic abusers argue in DARVO. Deny. Attack. Reverse Victim and Offender. Anybody who has been in a relationship with a narcissistic abusive piece of shit can recognize this immediately.
Yeah it’s totally the Palestinians who are the genociders. Israelis are just these innocent baby angels and Palestinians these monsterous terrorists out to kill all the Jews and please don’t look into any factual information from the ground or at literally any Israeli behavior for the last 76 years because….well that’s anti semitic and are you a Nazi or something.
The UN is Anti Semitic
The ICJ is Anti Semitic
The ICC is Anti Semitic
South Africa is Anti Semitic
Amnesty International is Anti Semitic
Human Rights Watch is Anti Semitic
Save the Children is Anti Semitic
Btsalem is Anti Semitic
Jewish Voice for Peace is Anti Semitic
The Palestinians we’ve been warehousing in an open air concentration camp for nearly 20 years and illegally occupying for over 50 are Anti Semitic
Nicaragua is Anti Semitic
Ireland is Anti Semitic
Anti Zionist Jews are Anti Semitic
The entire global south is Anti Semitic
People who see Palestinians as humans worthy of basic human rights are Anti Semitic
Millions of Palestine protestors around the globe are Anti Semitic.
Don’t look over here, look over there at the all the anti Semitism. We’re the victims! The Palestinians have forced us to commit genocide!!!! We can never forgive them for forcing US to kill their babies.
The Holocaust!!!!! Remember!!! We were Nazi’d and now we get to Nazi! It’s only fair!!!!!!!
Diana Trash, have you really been paying attention to the pro-Israeli war against Palestinians and what the ADL, the AIPAC lobby and Netanyahu are saying? They are calling anyone who is against Israel’s genocide as being antisemitic.
I sure have. I’m no Netanyahu fan. But I truly believe the IDF is nothing less than heroic. I personally just do not believe that Genocide is the case - that Israel wants to destroy Gazans. I just do not.,I do however believe that Hamas intended on 10/7 to massacre Jews and proceed to Jerusalem to kill even more.,That at least was their goal. We will never know the real numbers for non combatants for some time in Gaza. I truly believe Hamas is a terrorist organization and their ministry was just grabbing numbers in the air. This has been confirmed by top military generals. We need to remove Hamas. That’s the only way to get hostages home and then a next phase where fighting can stop. Hamas should surrender. Or Hamas destroyed. Then Israel needs to assist with self determination for the Gazans. The sole intention of Hamas , et al to destroy Israel is not the solution. Most Israelis want a way to live in peace along side the Gazans. But it needs to be reciprocated. What comes after Hamas? Not sure. It’s going to matter how everything is viewed. Egypt wants nothing to do with Gaza. Israel might just make sure another Hamas does not enter. Maybe Israel will facilitate with other nations to figure a better path to a better life for Gazans and all help rebuild. And Hezbollah has to stop attacking Israel as well. They attack Israel every day!
Having said all this, Netanyahu needs to step down. He’s been a problem for some time. Hezbollah Houthi’s and Hamas are all under Iran and Iran Is the big agitator & facilitator& Israel was getting cozy with the Saudis and Iran would not have it. - & US needs to change things re: Iran. Stop giving Iran money. Failure of US POLICY with Iran. Overall , there are other Actors here that are not helping this issue at all.
The IDF, by any stretch of the imagination are they heroes. They are cold-blooded killers of the worst kind leaving nothing but death and destruction, indiscriminately destroying places of worship, hospitals, universities, journalist, doctors, teachers, innocent civilians, woman and children, blocking humanitarian aid and committing crimes against humanity. Yes, as apparent as day and night Israel is guilty of genocide as more and more of the world population agrees. There are many of the Jewish faith who are against all this killing and destruction.
Members of this administration shouldn't go a single day without having to consider 18 U.S. Code § 1091 the law that brought the genocide convention into US law. this statute in their faces, up front and center at every protest at every meeting, press conference, briefing, and trips home and abroad.
They may feel they are immune now, but let's get them considering what is possible when they leave office, given they have set the precedent of charging former presidents. They should have visions of prison all the days of their lives.
And maybe the propagandists in the Mainstream Media need to be encouraged to think about their culpability as well.
Law is irrelevant. Power is what matters. Give their enemies power and those currently in high places would fear for their lives, regardless of any law or lack thereof.
No. Power is what you need to seize. Since humans like you and cats have no power, the law is blithely ignored. So Biden sleeps soundly, knowing full well that he never will face charges under any of the laws you cite.
"Don't quote laws to us. We carry swords!" - Gnaeus Pompeius. Go and do likewise.
For the problem with playing any game with a sociopath is that you have to play by sociopath rules, that is Calvinball. Because they will cheat, or simply ignore rules that they don't like and that you cannot enforce.
But who has the power? At this moment of unarmed protestors facing a formidable, heavily weaponized, killing machine, I see the law as a better shield or weapon than the power we, the people, do not have. If you see otherwise, then you looking through a different lens, and it's always good to hear from those who see differently.
Mao teaches us that power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Meyer Rothschild (no, I am not a Rothschild conspiracy theorist) said, at a time when Jews or anyone else not a member of the established Church of England had limited rights in England, "Give me control of a nation's currency and I care not who writes its laws."
Anyway, good luck with getting any law enforced that the powerful do not want enforced. I say that without a hint of snark, I really wish you well, I truly do. I just know how things work in the real world.
I'm not sure how this power is to get into the hands of the people. I have fond memories of saying those same things back in the 1960s. One thing I have learned is that what you are advocating cannot be successful developed using a public forum. COINTEL-PRO 2.0, is, I am sure, alive and well.
I think you just contradicted yourself? "unarmed protestors against a.... Killing Machine" and these are the very ones administering that law to those "Unarmed Protestors"! I am fully with "Finster" in this regard. One must always remind oneself of the fact these are Mass Murdering Sociopaths who have gotten away with MURDERING MILLIONS and nothing short of a bullet is going to stop them.
Mary. One of the most important lessons to learn in History IMO is education.Americans on the whole are NOT educated!
You can use the media as a 'scapegoat' for as long as you want but the fact is that you the people have been dumb for years. IF you had had better education maybe you would have figured out earlier that you were being lied to?
Jenny, what matters is not education, but the kind (quality) of education. Most of the people in positions of power and perpetrators of atrocities around the world are the "highly educated" variety.
What is important, is "Critical thinking skills" and a healthy level of skepticism. One does NOT need a formal education to develop these "critical thinking skills" and reasoning abilities.
I’ll take good common horse sense over “education” any time.
I’m a high school graduate. That’s it. Yet my knowledge of world affairs is immensely greater than that of anyone I know, save my siblings.
I credit this to our father, who insisted that we watch the evenings news every night. He would then point out the untruths and coverups the news people expected us to swallow.
BTW, he had the equivalent of a fourth-grade education; moved to this country without knowing a word of English; became a successful businessman which afforded us the privilege of living in our city’s best neighborhood.
He was also fluent in four languages. I actually believe that intelligence is hereditary, though I may be on the short end of the stick in this respect: my brother is an MD and my sister a psychologist 😉
Speaking as a Constitutional lawyer, the House bill is an abomination...Speaking as an American, it's way beyond insane..banning criticism of Israel's crimes, and parts of the Bible is as crazy as it gets...
If they make this type of banning/censorship permanent - it really is all she wrote for this 200 year experiment in democracy/republic whatever you want to call it now.
I wonder if they want to ban the part of the Bible where Jesus says I know those who call themselves Jews but are not they are of the synagogues of satan
"Anti-Semitism" monitors? Well, I guess that figures. Sometimes, I swear that the only people who rise to the top in this country got their start as hall monitors and tattletales in elementary school. "Respect our authority or you'll end up like Ohio Barbarian, wondering whether he can ever afford to retire!"
"History repeats itself; first as tragedy, then as farce."--Karl Marx
The massacred Palestinians are the tragedy, Netanyahu and all of the bribed and blackmailed American politicians calling for hall monitors is the farce.
I have been through a Civil War in Sri Lanka and once people start killing they cannot stop! There are people who 'get a high' after killing and what happens then they bring in others who would never kill in their lives. This depravity exists in humans. Whether you are fighting religious wars or 'supposed' terrorists the 'blood lust' becomes power. Many people don't think before picking up a gun. They will burn a neighbours house down because of some slight initiated long ago.
When one person has power over another it really doesn't matter if they were your neighbours or friends. The local man in the village is always the first to go.
The psychology is in my opinion: the down trodden who usually have little to no education suddenly find themselves empowered.
As a child I cowered in all sorts of places watching my beautiful country burn ONLY because the people thought they were empowered. The fact is always misconstrued.
Yemen is an interesting Country: for years there has been civil war fought by 2 factions. Bombed by SA and other powers it now finds itself in a position where BOTH sides are fighting for Palestinian people.
You can start a war but it's almost impossible to finish it.
To my Tamil Godfather the kindest man, a lawyer who was imprisoned for 15yrs who I did not recognize when he came out of prison.
What's worse is that the Israeli government seems to have a choke hold on the American government to get them to do whatever they want. And people think The U.S. is a democracy and a free country. That lack of freedom is on full display at every college campus with student protestors on it now. The American bill of rights is a joke now.
Money and blackmail keeps our government in check. Ever wonder why Epstein was protected for so many years? I’m curious why they decided to off him. If he’s actually dead. Whitney Webb writes that blackmailing the government goes way back to prohibition days.
Epstein was murdered because the power brokers knew he would sell them out in a heart beat and there were too many embarrassing secrets that would come out. The same goes for Israel and Russia. But Israel in this case, as Mossad has been operating with near impunity in the U.S. for decades, is the real current threat to the power brokers and they can't get to Bibi so they are scurrying away like the cockroaches they are when the lights are turned on.
May the day come, and soon, when this petition, and all the rest, is no longer needed in Gaza, because we finally have a state where there are full and equal rights for all.
There must be an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. Pope Francis has said what is needed, now he must do what is needed by going to Gaza and standing for peace, justice and freedom.
Let us also support UNRWA. If our governments won’t act in accordance with humanity, then we will. https://www.unrwausa.org/donate Let us do it to honor Aaron Bushnell, or in memory of Hind Rajab.
Let us call for a No Fly-Zone over Gaza!
These are a few small things we can do. If we can do more, let us do more.
I think the American “educational” institutions have officially become obsolete when they obey the government. Universities that don’t allow free speech have zero value. None.
Full-blown repression has always been waiting in the wings. Perhaps this is its moment? I hope those who give a damn won't hesitate to do what they can to stop it. We can hope/work for seeing that this anti-liberty position has passed its expiration date.
If this anti-semitism law does pass - it will be challenged in court. And if the Supreme Court gives it a green light - then we got a full-blown US Constitutional crisis on our hands. States would have a legal basis to secede from the Union.
Yeah welcome to 2024. This is just a further extension of the censorship that we saw during covid; the banning of off-label medications; cancelling of ethical doctors, "let the unvaxxed die" and so on. It's another head of the same beast. If Andrew Bridgen and Dennis Rancourt are correct, the deaths from the mandated shots will far exceed anything happening in the Middle East. Don't expect any world government to suddenly 'fess up to genocide. Nothing to see here - move on.
"I looked and saw a pale horse, it's rider was named Death, and Hades followed behind him".
No it isn't. The entire world responded to the Covid-19 pandemic in different preventive ways, from China to India to Australia and Germany. The US had a half-cocked - bullshit response to it with every State concocting clownish controls to the health crisis.
In the case of the Israeli mass-murder - sadistic butchery of an unarmed population, the entire world EXCEPT the US and it's lackey, cock-sucking allies like Britain are pretty much united against the obvious genocide (see UN voting results with the usual vetoes by the US and abstains by Britain).
The two are far from the same. It is of course the responsibility of the US government to protect the liberty of its citizens. And that protection of liberty also falls under the category of a worldwide health crisis. But it isn't the US government's responsibility to support and supply money and arms for a foreign genocide and repress your freedom of speech by passing laws that directly negate the US Constitution. Which is, the very definition of a Constitutional crisis, and could be a legal basis for States announcing they are seceding from the Union.
"EXCEPT the US and it's lackey, cock-sucking allies like Britain". And you can add Australia to that list. We used to be the country of 'a fair go' or at least, that's what we were told.
Yeah - I don't get why Australia feels like it needs to be so bitch-slapped by the US these days. Other than it appears your politicans are about just as bought as the AIPAC bought politicans we have over here. Australia would be way better off fostering close ties with China. Fuck the US.
One aspect seems to be that having stolen the country from the Aboriginal people ( who have been on this continent for over 70,000 years ), many white Australians are afraid that another country might do the same to us. So they believe we need a powerful defender and with the collapse of the British Empire Amerika was the replacement of choice, but successive Govts. have ceded both territory and defence policy to US war hawks.
Caitlin has previously described Australia as US military base with kangaroos and in doing this we have created antagonism, resentment and distrust and enemies where there were none before.
The suppression of dissenting voices during COVID. For the record, I am not saying that COVID wasn't real, that vaccines do not work, or that Trump stopped the non-existent COVID using vaccines that do not work or whatever.
What I am saying is that those who dissented from the received narrative were ruthlessly suppressed. Because public health. Because safety.
That may be the only similarity - the attempt at suppression of dissent. But COVID was real - not just in the US - but all over the world. And yes, the rushed vaccines that many Americans were coerced into taking - in retrospect, turned out to be seriously flawed. Although what is often not mentioned was there were a whole variety of vaccines produced worldwide - it just wasn't Pfizer. Public health IS the responsibility of any civilized government. Genocide is not.
Attempt, nothing. Dissent *was* suppressed. And that suppression was used as a precedent.
Just like Alex Jones was a perfect test case for Big Tech to suppress dissenting voices, because Alex Jones is a loon that few people want to be seen defending. Now that power is being used on us.
I see what you're saying. But again, one was the government attempting to respond to a worldwide public health crisis, and the other is the government directly supporting an Israeli genocide/ethnic cleansing campaign.
Personally, I'm not of the opinion when it comes to public health, everyone should get to choose to do what they want - it's the government's responsibility to respond on a national level in a public health crisis - just as it's the government's responsibility to respond if Americans are attacked by a foreign army. Because if the government does not respond in either case - allowing a clownish Libertarian right-wing bullshit ideology to takeover - that civilization should depend on everybody doing whatever the fuck they want - civilization then devolves into being a total lawless state - where the only fuckers with liberty are the ones who can shoot anybody they want, with the corporate thieves get to steal from whomever they want while the billionaires and their lackey CEO's work every person until they drop dead of old age and palsy. That's the government you get with total lawlessness, no regulations, and lack of collaboration. The government HAS to respond to public health threats. That is what governments are for.
However, the way the US government responded to Covid-19 was all sorts of bullshit - I agree with you on that point.
This relies on a government that is not your enemy in order to function as it should and while I agree with your logic because of a situation where a very deadly pathogen would indeed need everyone's cooperation to stop we are unfortunately in a far worse predicament here in the US.
And genocide caused by mandated public health measures and so-called government experts is what exactly? Not genocide?
Explain why 196 countries all went lockstep into lockdowns, mandated so-called vaccines etc etc. Israel is just another head of the same beast. Don't forget that Pfizer is headed up by a Jew, and used Israel as a testing ground for it's covid shots.
Covid was never real. Give your head a shake. Look up Dr Mike Yeadon sometime.
Simply because you can't understand the science doesn't mean that Covid was not real. My god.
Friends of my parents died from Covid that first year, when there were no vaccines. I have Long Covid myself. I can read the scientific articles as well. I can recommend some of them to you if you are looking to understand.
novapsyche, you are wasting your time with "conspiracy theorists" and non-critical thinkers like "David". Such people are not really interested in truth, facts, etc. They are more interested in 'confirming their worldview' and staying 'comfortable in their narratives'. Believing in the things that they do gives them a false 'sense of security', a sense of agency, a sense of being 'in the know' and a sense of 'righteousness'.
Their connections to such issues are not rational, but rather emotional. When logic and rationality cannot be used to argue - and the only avenue left is emotions, it becomes almost impossible to make such people see and understand different perspectives.
What's the FF? Trump stopped a non existent thing with ineffectual medicines? How confusing.
For the record I am saying that there are great similarities in the suppression of dissent against the 'covid' narrative/vaccine mandates and suppression of criticism of Israel; because public health, because we don't want people's feelings to be hurt.
Disobeying all and any 'covid' rule and debating the evidence was not an actual threat to anyone apart from share holders. Opposing Israel is not an actual threat to anyone apart from Zionists and share holders.
I am no antivaxxer. I do note that the COVID vaccines at issue were rushed through and there was great pressure to approve them.
Whatever.
Idiots, as you term them, have the right to free speech as well. Even if what they say is wrong. What we are seeing now is those in power using that precedent to silence people like you and I.
It's been a divisive issue all around. And I have avoided it because I think there has been an attempt to politicize and weaponize the issue by political extremists (on all sides).
Of course. As I have tried to make clear, it isn't a black and white issue, but plenty of humans have tried to make it one, usually for reasons of tribal loyalty.
Oh, very well then...concerning "the science is settled!"
“I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had.
Let's be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.
There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.”
― Michael Crichton
n.b. Michael Crichton had an M.D. from Harvard, so I suspect that he knew something whereof he spoke.
Sorry, boss, it's anything but "plain and simple".
Anti-ALL-vaxxers are silly because they deny a (historically and biologically) productive STRATEGY. But the excellent strategy of vaccination has numerous possible implementation TACTICS. Anti-mRNA vaxxers are hardly idiots; they're justified because it's a dangerous tactic with an ultimately unacceptable risk/benefit ratio. Chinese and Cubans got it right using more traditional protein-antigen-based tactics. US NIAID/ Pharma got it wrong. That mRNA tactical approach was stupid and unnecessarily risky, although cost-effective and profitable. Bottom line. Nasally administered protein-antigen vaccine inducing local mucosal immunity was called for if the aim was to attenuate spread; any immunologist worth their salt knew this, but science hardly took precedence here.
The excellent strategy of vaccination? Even the first and worst, for smallpox, was never shown to be excellent in anything other than killing people. Smallpox was irradicated by improvements in child labour laws and sanitation and contempories were gobsmacked that intelligent people would accept, without evidence, that the vaccine was effective. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/lets-hope-the-monkey-pox-nonsense.
All immunologists knowing that causing production of mucosal antibodies and t cells in the nose provides immunity to being ill or transmitting illness? Yes, cold symptoms appear to start in the nose with mucus as the body detoxes, it doesn't follow that stimulating a reaction there prevents disease. And even the most effective 'vaccines' only provided a couple of percent more protection from the non specific symptoms of 'covid' than placebo- over 98% of people already were 'immune'.
Try focusing. You're all over the place. Using smallpox as one example to generalize is a bullshit tactic. for starters; and no one in their right mind would disagree that sanitation did more to cull the spread of most infectious diseases than any other single factor. Clearly you know a little. But read my comment before you go off half baked. I said "attenuate spread". In no case is a vaccine superior to your own immune response, that's a given; but there are instances where vaccines are necessary to "beat the clock" by instantiating immune memory when a primary immune response would be too slow to prevent organ damage. Case by case, please.
Mid western doc has shown that most diseases were going away long before the vaccine for them came out. And he’s not the only one who has. And in many cases giving people certain vaccines made the problem worse. You never vaccinate during an active epidemic because it puts pressure on the virus to mutate. Hence we keep seeing more and more variants. It’s not rocket science…
Laugh away. Wait and see. The whole Israel/Palestine thing is another cabal diversion. If you don't get that by now, you need to give your head a shake. Wait until the UN declares a planetary climate emergency (probably sometime in September this year).
The entire "plandemic/Ukraine/Israel/Palestine/Russia Russia Russia/global boiling" - all related; all part of the cabal plan to cut travel, restrict freedoms, close churches, impose CBDC, control everything and fill their pockets in the process. Look up Catherine Austin Fitts sometime when your ass has stopped laughing.
I keep thinking we're as far down the slippery slope as we will go in my lifetime and yet it keeps getting worse. I guess we'll be at the bottom when me, you and everyone like us have been jailed or killed - like they are doing to Gazans.
It is bad enough that the Israeli government is putting forth all these ridiculous positions, which in a black comedy would be very funny, but the mainstream media is so caught up with trying to prove the university encampments are "antisemitic and terrorist" that they totally missed this story https://www.commondreams.org/news/smotrich-gaza-annihilation in which an Israeli minister once again advocates for the "total annihilation" of Gaza. I guess the act of printing such a story could be considered antisemitic.
Yes, it again highlights the obvious (or what should be apparent to most people but unfortunately isn't) - that the US (& Israel) do not really care about Jews or Judaism. What they care about are power, money, control of resources, maintaining global hegemony, etc. and will peddle whatever narratives support their evil and immoral objectives.
And don’t forget that valuable seafront property in Gaza that is already being divvied up by Israeli government figures. They’re so admirable!
Yes! Us Jews want power and we want to wear your thong on our horns.
The truth is a lie and a lie is the truth.
War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength.
On par with the IDF is the most moral Army in history
Easy to prove. Every campus protest became violent and prevented Jewish students to get to classrooms.
Even if you were correct, how does that in any way at all, validate an Israeli minister promoting the annihilation of the people of Gaza?
Of course not because it’s not in your narrative.
You can say Jew haters who are on the side of the Iranian regime 😂😂😂 . All I see here….
you are not making any sense.
Because you are wrong. There is no intend for genocide. They want you to stop Hamas. But Hamas puts civilians as shields. These asses built underground tunnels to protect just Hamas. Hamas has governed the Gazans since 2007 and has done nothing but keep every thing for themselves. Gazans have been hungry for years. Israel is not the bad guy here. It’s Hamas, who violated a cease fire on 10/7 and attempted a Genocide on Israeli’s - that was a heinous massacre!!!! But oh, I guess no big deal. Why? Because they were Jews.
Perhaps you didn't read the article https://www.commondreams.org/news/smotrich-gaza-annihilation
This is the first paragraph:
In just the latest example of a top Israeli official openly calling for the elimination of Gaza and the 2.3 million Palestinians who live there, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich on Tuesday demanded the destruction of cities and refugee camps in the blockaded enclave.
Similar articles appeared in other newspapers, including the Haaretz
They absolutely will never do that. They are wrong. Do you believe everything you read?
do you?
wow. I am so sorry that you have been so brainwashed, so lied to. I think it possibly could help you to watch the documentary "Israelism" made by some young American Jews. https://www.israelismfilm.com/
I’m so not brainwashed. You are just misinformed and so sorry for that but you no are clueless. Poor you. No genocide. Go look it up in the dictionary. And wake the F up about Hamas- irans proxies and the fact that Islam will be in your home
- like it or not sooner than you think . Wake up missy.
The day may come sooner than you think that you will be feeling the same way that many German civilians felt after the Nazis went on their murder spree.
Why do Hamas exist? It didn't exist in 1948. Or in 1967. Hamas is a response. Ask yourself: A response to what? You may not like the answer.
also, you are totally wrong that I don't care about Jewish deaths. I do. My problem is the response of the Zionist State of Israel. It is murderous and horrible.
israel owns the u.s,
If so, does it then follow that all of this culture revolution insanity (DEI, gender stuff, etc) is an Israeli psy-op?
That's just a replay of what was done to the Weimar Republic. Destruction by subversion.
NO. The US was 'breaking down' and they thought more laws were the answer.
To my mind NO Govt. should be telling people how to run/live their lives.
Tell that to the GOP to stay away from women’s rights regarding their bodies.
Jeck.
What your remark says to me is that the Law is breaking down in the US and people who are different are fearful.
Everyone is fearful and angry, both DEI advocates and opponents. That is by divide-and-conquer design. The whole process of "progress", if that's the word, could proceed more naturally, more slowly and likely in more limited ways, if the (whole) populace simply was respected. It isn't, at all.
Yes that is what I said referring to. gender rights which started some time ago.
I don't understand your comment. Can you elaborate?
Government is using agitation based on "behavioral science" to divide and weaken the working class so they will focus on fighting each other.
If you're not punching up, you're punching the wrong direction.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxkVuOj2lu_lK9y9nql_tbMFh6iG78e44n
Yes Trump is a fully captured Zionist supporter
Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9
What about the massacre on 10/7? It did happen. And it was heinous. Or are you just ok with it?
You are a piece of funny work because Hamas has done nothing to protect Gazans. You must be daft. Because Hamas used the Gazans to take hit on behalf of them. They resell the food there’s given for side. They shoot Gazans if they dare to take food dropped.,Hamas is only interested in killing. They are irans proxy and will continue to kill Israelis until they have destroyed Israel. You sit on in the wrong side. And I am not paranoid. You obviously don’t understand how Iran is the head of the snake. You can just stay In your BS side.,
Any one is a improvement over the hildabeast lol
Of course...and it totally controls both parties, or this abomination wouldn't have ever emerged from the swamp...
"israel owns the u.s,"
Mo, does this make you happy or sad?
There are lots of people, even influential American politicians who don’t regard that as a bad thing. These days to publicly support such a notion is considered quite acceptable. The same fools prattle on about the sacrosanct precepts of ‘The Founding Fathers’. Americans these days live out a tragic cognitive dissonance that is rarely seen except in the minds of slaves or battered wives
Are there only 2 options here?
Happy or sad..............humans are far more complex!
True. But I imagined Mo here might, at least, have a clear feeling on it. You know, so we can understand Mo better.
Apparently
No it does not
NOT Jews. Zionists.
the u.s. ceased to be a sovereign nation dec. 23 1913
As Snowden has said, when REPORTING a crime is treated as COMMITTING a crime, you are being ruled by criminals.
Janeen SH on her FB post had this to say:
I’ve said it 100 times before and I’ll say it again million more if I have to; DARVO tactics. All narcissistic abusers argue in DARVO. Deny. Attack. Reverse Victim and Offender. Anybody who has been in a relationship with a narcissistic abusive piece of shit can recognize this immediately.
Yeah it’s totally the Palestinians who are the genociders. Israelis are just these innocent baby angels and Palestinians these monsterous terrorists out to kill all the Jews and please don’t look into any factual information from the ground or at literally any Israeli behavior for the last 76 years because….well that’s anti semitic and are you a Nazi or something.
The UN is Anti Semitic
The ICJ is Anti Semitic
The ICC is Anti Semitic
South Africa is Anti Semitic
Amnesty International is Anti Semitic
Human Rights Watch is Anti Semitic
Save the Children is Anti Semitic
Btsalem is Anti Semitic
Jewish Voice for Peace is Anti Semitic
The Palestinians we’ve been warehousing in an open air concentration camp for nearly 20 years and illegally occupying for over 50 are Anti Semitic
Nicaragua is Anti Semitic
Ireland is Anti Semitic
Anti Zionist Jews are Anti Semitic
The entire global south is Anti Semitic
People who see Palestinians as humans worthy of basic human rights are Anti Semitic
Millions of Palestine protestors around the globe are Anti Semitic.
Don’t look over here, look over there at the all the anti Semitism. We’re the victims! The Palestinians have forced us to commit genocide!!!! We can never forgive them for forcing US to kill their babies.
The Holocaust!!!!! Remember!!! We were Nazi’d and now we get to Nazi! It’s only fair!!!!!!!
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/xst1ytj1AyuDBkAz/?mibextid=WC7FNe
Thank you for sharing this. It’s very useful and lays it all out. I’m not on FB.
What a bunch of bunk. I’ve never read such drivel.
Diana Trash, have you really been paying attention to the pro-Israeli war against Palestinians and what the ADL, the AIPAC lobby and Netanyahu are saying? They are calling anyone who is against Israel’s genocide as being antisemitic.
I sure have. I’m no Netanyahu fan. But I truly believe the IDF is nothing less than heroic. I personally just do not believe that Genocide is the case - that Israel wants to destroy Gazans. I just do not.,I do however believe that Hamas intended on 10/7 to massacre Jews and proceed to Jerusalem to kill even more.,That at least was their goal. We will never know the real numbers for non combatants for some time in Gaza. I truly believe Hamas is a terrorist organization and their ministry was just grabbing numbers in the air. This has been confirmed by top military generals. We need to remove Hamas. That’s the only way to get hostages home and then a next phase where fighting can stop. Hamas should surrender. Or Hamas destroyed. Then Israel needs to assist with self determination for the Gazans. The sole intention of Hamas , et al to destroy Israel is not the solution. Most Israelis want a way to live in peace along side the Gazans. But it needs to be reciprocated. What comes after Hamas? Not sure. It’s going to matter how everything is viewed. Egypt wants nothing to do with Gaza. Israel might just make sure another Hamas does not enter. Maybe Israel will facilitate with other nations to figure a better path to a better life for Gazans and all help rebuild. And Hezbollah has to stop attacking Israel as well. They attack Israel every day!
Having said all this, Netanyahu needs to step down. He’s been a problem for some time. Hezbollah Houthi’s and Hamas are all under Iran and Iran Is the big agitator & facilitator& Israel was getting cozy with the Saudis and Iran would not have it. - & US needs to change things re: Iran. Stop giving Iran money. Failure of US POLICY with Iran. Overall , there are other Actors here that are not helping this issue at all.
The IDF, by any stretch of the imagination are they heroes. They are cold-blooded killers of the worst kind leaving nothing but death and destruction, indiscriminately destroying places of worship, hospitals, universities, journalist, doctors, teachers, innocent civilians, woman and children, blocking humanitarian aid and committing crimes against humanity. Yes, as apparent as day and night Israel is guilty of genocide as more and more of the world population agrees. There are many of the Jewish faith who are against all this killing and destruction.
Was I also an antisemite when I physically confronted bonafide self-proclaimed Nazis on the streets of Kiev?
Hope you put those claws and fangs to good use Feral!!!
Members of this administration shouldn't go a single day without having to consider 18 U.S. Code § 1091 the law that brought the genocide convention into US law. this statute in their faces, up front and center at every protest at every meeting, press conference, briefing, and trips home and abroad.
They may feel they are immune now, but let's get them considering what is possible when they leave office, given they have set the precedent of charging former presidents. They should have visions of prison all the days of their lives.
And maybe the propagandists in the Mainstream Media need to be encouraged to think about their culpability as well.
Let us find the way.
Law is irrelevant. Power is what matters. Give their enemies power and those currently in high places would fear for their lives, regardless of any law or lack thereof.
And yet, as of now, it is what we have. As the old saying goes, "Gotta go with what ya got."
No. Power is what you need to seize. Since humans like you and cats have no power, the law is blithely ignored. So Biden sleeps soundly, knowing full well that he never will face charges under any of the laws you cite.
"Don't quote laws to us. We carry swords!" - Gnaeus Pompeius. Go and do likewise.
For the problem with playing any game with a sociopath is that you have to play by sociopath rules, that is Calvinball. Because they will cheat, or simply ignore rules that they don't like and that you cannot enforce.
But who has the power? At this moment of unarmed protestors facing a formidable, heavily weaponized, killing machine, I see the law as a better shield or weapon than the power we, the people, do not have. If you see otherwise, then you looking through a different lens, and it's always good to hear from those who see differently.
Mao teaches us that power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Meyer Rothschild (no, I am not a Rothschild conspiracy theorist) said, at a time when Jews or anyone else not a member of the established Church of England had limited rights in England, "Give me control of a nation's currency and I care not who writes its laws."
Anyway, good luck with getting any law enforced that the powerful do not want enforced. I say that without a hint of snark, I really wish you well, I truly do. I just know how things work in the real world.
I'm not sure how this power is to get into the hands of the people. I have fond memories of saying those same things back in the 1960s. One thing I have learned is that what you are advocating cannot be successful developed using a public forum. COINTEL-PRO 2.0, is, I am sure, alive and well.
"Mao teaches ... gun[s]"
"Meyer Rothschild ... control of currency"
Modern TPTB ... mass psychology
... Next up?
I think you just contradicted yourself? "unarmed protestors against a.... Killing Machine" and these are the very ones administering that law to those "Unarmed Protestors"! I am fully with "Finster" in this regard. One must always remind oneself of the fact these are Mass Murdering Sociopaths who have gotten away with MURDERING MILLIONS and nothing short of a bullet is going to stop them.
Feral? Cats have no power?!
My one-year-old boy, Peaches Bob (so named because he’s part bobcat) strongly disagrees!
Let’s let him loose in the White House and see what happens 😁
He might take a dump somewhere. Meanwhile, the war machine rolls on.
Absofuckinglutely the media is culpable. Without media support, none of the wars would be feasible.
Mary. One of the most important lessons to learn in History IMO is education.Americans on the whole are NOT educated!
You can use the media as a 'scapegoat' for as long as you want but the fact is that you the people have been dumb for years. IF you had had better education maybe you would have figured out earlier that you were being lied to?
Jenny, what matters is not education, but the kind (quality) of education. Most of the people in positions of power and perpetrators of atrocities around the world are the "highly educated" variety.
What is important, is "Critical thinking skills" and a healthy level of skepticism. One does NOT need a formal education to develop these "critical thinking skills" and reasoning abilities.
Yes and all those Ivy League schools are not educating. Go to a state school. Save your money. You’ll get better education and not indoctrination.
Jenny Darlin’
I’ll take good common horse sense over “education” any time.
I’m a high school graduate. That’s it. Yet my knowledge of world affairs is immensely greater than that of anyone I know, save my siblings.
I credit this to our father, who insisted that we watch the evenings news every night. He would then point out the untruths and coverups the news people expected us to swallow.
BTW, he had the equivalent of a fourth-grade education; moved to this country without knowing a word of English; became a successful businessman which afforded us the privilege of living in our city’s best neighborhood.
He was also fluent in four languages. I actually believe that intelligence is hereditary, though I may be on the short end of the stick in this respect: my brother is an MD and my sister a psychologist 😉
By our very own Indrajit Samarajiva, and well worth reading:
https://indi.ca/the-unity-of-the-fields/
Speaking as a Constitutional lawyer, the House bill is an abomination...Speaking as an American, it's way beyond insane..banning criticism of Israel's crimes, and parts of the Bible is as crazy as it gets...
If they make this type of banning/censorship permanent - it really is all she wrote for this 200 year experiment in democracy/republic whatever you want to call it now.
Clearly, this is a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment.and absolutely cannot stand....It hasn't been passed in the Senate, however...
Jamenta. This started in the USA about 4yrs ago.
Anti-abortion etc.
The Govt. telling people how to live their lives. This is NOT what Govt. is for.
I wonder if they want to ban the part of the Bible where Jesus says I know those who call themselves Jews but are not they are of the synagogues of satan
"Anti-Semitism" monitors? Well, I guess that figures. Sometimes, I swear that the only people who rise to the top in this country got their start as hall monitors and tattletales in elementary school. "Respect our authority or you'll end up like Ohio Barbarian, wondering whether he can ever afford to retire!"
"History repeats itself; first as tragedy, then as farce."--Karl Marx
The massacred Palestinians are the tragedy, Netanyahu and all of the bribed and blackmailed American politicians calling for hall monitors is the farce.
Jews were massacred on 10/7. No one talks of that at all. Why? Because Jews don’t matter. Antisemitism.
I NEED to write this before I go NUTZ.
I have been through a Civil War in Sri Lanka and once people start killing they cannot stop! There are people who 'get a high' after killing and what happens then they bring in others who would never kill in their lives. This depravity exists in humans. Whether you are fighting religious wars or 'supposed' terrorists the 'blood lust' becomes power. Many people don't think before picking up a gun. They will burn a neighbours house down because of some slight initiated long ago.
When one person has power over another it really doesn't matter if they were your neighbours or friends. The local man in the village is always the first to go.
The psychology is in my opinion: the down trodden who usually have little to no education suddenly find themselves empowered.
As a child I cowered in all sorts of places watching my beautiful country burn ONLY because the people thought they were empowered. The fact is always misconstrued.
Yemen is an interesting Country: for years there has been civil war fought by 2 factions. Bombed by SA and other powers it now finds itself in a position where BOTH sides are fighting for Palestinian people.
You can start a war but it's almost impossible to finish it.
To my Tamil Godfather the kindest man, a lawyer who was imprisoned for 15yrs who I did not recognize when he came out of prison.
Basil Jesudasen this is for you.
Hamas will never stop killing Israeli’s until they get rid of Israel. Then they’ll come for everyone else in the west. They are an Iranian Proxy.
Jenny what an existence you’ve led! I can certainly see where you obtained your deep sense of empathy….xxx
What's worse is that the Israeli government seems to have a choke hold on the American government to get them to do whatever they want. And people think The U.S. is a democracy and a free country. That lack of freedom is on full display at every college campus with student protestors on it now. The American bill of rights is a joke now.
Money and blackmail keeps our government in check. Ever wonder why Epstein was protected for so many years? I’m curious why they decided to off him. If he’s actually dead. Whitney Webb writes that blackmailing the government goes way back to prohibition days.
Epstein was murdered because the power brokers knew he would sell them out in a heart beat and there were too many embarrassing secrets that would come out. The same goes for Israel and Russia. But Israel in this case, as Mossad has been operating with near impunity in the U.S. for decades, is the real current threat to the power brokers and they can't get to Bibi so they are scurrying away like the cockroaches they are when the lights are turned on.
May the day come, and soon, when this petition, and all the rest, is no longer needed in Gaza, because we finally have a state where there are full and equal rights for all.
There must be an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. Pope Francis has said what is needed, now he must do what is needed by going to Gaza and standing for peace, justice and freedom.
Please sign the petition and share widely.
https://chng.it/CRQ7qw4Gzn
Code pink
https://www.codepink.org/cnngaza?utm_campaign=12_15_pali_update_alert_3&utm_medium=email&utm_source=codepink
Let us also support UNRWA. If our governments won’t act in accordance with humanity, then we will. https://www.unrwausa.org/donate Let us do it to honor Aaron Bushnell, or in memory of Hind Rajab.
Let us call for a No Fly-Zone over Gaza!
These are a few small things we can do. If we can do more, let us do more.
Hahaha 😂 the pope is at the top of the Satanic pyramid please do some research on the history of the Catholic Church
I think the American “educational” institutions have officially become obsolete when they obey the government. Universities that don’t allow free speech have zero value. None.
The US government has leverage because it funds them. Academia is dead in terms of free thought.
WE fund them. Our tax dollars. And I agree. Academia is dead.
Too much foreign money being poured into elite universities - and brainwashing students.
Full-blown repression has always been waiting in the wings. Perhaps this is its moment? I hope those who give a damn won't hesitate to do what they can to stop it. We can hope/work for seeing that this anti-liberty position has passed its expiration date.
If this anti-semitism law does pass - it will be challenged in court. And if the Supreme Court gives it a green light - then we got a full-blown US Constitutional crisis on our hands. States would have a legal basis to secede from the Union.
Yeah welcome to 2024. This is just a further extension of the censorship that we saw during covid; the banning of off-label medications; cancelling of ethical doctors, "let the unvaxxed die" and so on. It's another head of the same beast. If Andrew Bridgen and Dennis Rancourt are correct, the deaths from the mandated shots will far exceed anything happening in the Middle East. Don't expect any world government to suddenly 'fess up to genocide. Nothing to see here - move on.
"I looked and saw a pale horse, it's rider was named Death, and Hades followed behind him".
No it isn't. The entire world responded to the Covid-19 pandemic in different preventive ways, from China to India to Australia and Germany. The US had a half-cocked - bullshit response to it with every State concocting clownish controls to the health crisis.
In the case of the Israeli mass-murder - sadistic butchery of an unarmed population, the entire world EXCEPT the US and it's lackey, cock-sucking allies like Britain are pretty much united against the obvious genocide (see UN voting results with the usual vetoes by the US and abstains by Britain).
The two are far from the same. It is of course the responsibility of the US government to protect the liberty of its citizens. And that protection of liberty also falls under the category of a worldwide health crisis. But it isn't the US government's responsibility to support and supply money and arms for a foreign genocide and repress your freedom of speech by passing laws that directly negate the US Constitution. Which is, the very definition of a Constitutional crisis, and could be a legal basis for States announcing they are seceding from the Union.
"EXCEPT the US and it's lackey, cock-sucking allies like Britain". And you can add Australia to that list. We used to be the country of 'a fair go' or at least, that's what we were told.
Yeah - I don't get why Australia feels like it needs to be so bitch-slapped by the US these days. Other than it appears your politicans are about just as bought as the AIPAC bought politicans we have over here. Australia would be way better off fostering close ties with China. Fuck the US.
One aspect seems to be that having stolen the country from the Aboriginal people ( who have been on this continent for over 70,000 years ), many white Australians are afraid that another country might do the same to us. So they believe we need a powerful defender and with the collapse of the British Empire Amerika was the replacement of choice, but successive Govts. have ceded both territory and defence policy to US war hawks.
Caitlin has previously described Australia as US military base with kangaroos and in doing this we have created antagonism, resentment and distrust and enemies where there were none before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgspkxfkS4k
Well said.
The suppression of dissenting voices during COVID. For the record, I am not saying that COVID wasn't real, that vaccines do not work, or that Trump stopped the non-existent COVID using vaccines that do not work or whatever.
What I am saying is that those who dissented from the received narrative were ruthlessly suppressed. Because public health. Because safety.
That may be the only similarity - the attempt at suppression of dissent. But COVID was real - not just in the US - but all over the world. And yes, the rushed vaccines that many Americans were coerced into taking - in retrospect, turned out to be seriously flawed. Although what is often not mentioned was there were a whole variety of vaccines produced worldwide - it just wasn't Pfizer. Public health IS the responsibility of any civilized government. Genocide is not.
Attempt, nothing. Dissent *was* suppressed. And that suppression was used as a precedent.
Just like Alex Jones was a perfect test case for Big Tech to suppress dissenting voices, because Alex Jones is a loon that few people want to be seen defending. Now that power is being used on us.
"First they came for the Jews...."
I see what you're saying. But again, one was the government attempting to respond to a worldwide public health crisis, and the other is the government directly supporting an Israeli genocide/ethnic cleansing campaign.
Personally, I'm not of the opinion when it comes to public health, everyone should get to choose to do what they want - it's the government's responsibility to respond on a national level in a public health crisis - just as it's the government's responsibility to respond if Americans are attacked by a foreign army. Because if the government does not respond in either case - allowing a clownish Libertarian right-wing bullshit ideology to takeover - that civilization should depend on everybody doing whatever the fuck they want - civilization then devolves into being a total lawless state - where the only fuckers with liberty are the ones who can shoot anybody they want, with the corporate thieves get to steal from whomever they want while the billionaires and their lackey CEO's work every person until they drop dead of old age and palsy. That's the government you get with total lawlessness, no regulations, and lack of collaboration. The government HAS to respond to public health threats. That is what governments are for.
However, the way the US government responded to Covid-19 was all sorts of bullshit - I agree with you on that point.
This relies on a government that is not your enemy in order to function as it should and while I agree with your logic because of a situation where a very deadly pathogen would indeed need everyone's cooperation to stop we are unfortunately in a far worse predicament here in the US.
I certainly do not favor suppression of dissent.
And genocide caused by mandated public health measures and so-called government experts is what exactly? Not genocide?
Explain why 196 countries all went lockstep into lockdowns, mandated so-called vaccines etc etc. Israel is just another head of the same beast. Don't forget that Pfizer is headed up by a Jew, and used Israel as a testing ground for it's covid shots.
Covid was never real. Give your head a shake. Look up Dr Mike Yeadon sometime.
Simply because you can't understand the science doesn't mean that Covid was not real. My god.
Friends of my parents died from Covid that first year, when there were no vaccines. I have Long Covid myself. I can read the scientific articles as well. I can recommend some of them to you if you are looking to understand.
novapsyche, you are wasting your time with "conspiracy theorists" and non-critical thinkers like "David". Such people are not really interested in truth, facts, etc. They are more interested in 'confirming their worldview' and staying 'comfortable in their narratives'. Believing in the things that they do gives them a false 'sense of security', a sense of agency, a sense of being 'in the know' and a sense of 'righteousness'.
Their connections to such issues are not rational, but rather emotional. When logic and rationality cannot be used to argue - and the only avenue left is emotions, it becomes almost impossible to make such people see and understand different perspectives.
What's the FF? Trump stopped a non existent thing with ineffectual medicines? How confusing.
For the record I am saying that there are great similarities in the suppression of dissent against the 'covid' narrative/vaccine mandates and suppression of criticism of Israel; because public health, because we don't want people's feelings to be hurt.
Disobeying all and any 'covid' rule and debating the evidence was not an actual threat to anyone apart from share holders. Opposing Israel is not an actual threat to anyone apart from Zionists and share holders.
A parody of Trumper logic went as follows: "COVID is a hoax, the Chinese made it in a lab, but Trump stopped it using vaccines that do not work!"
Basically a string of cognitive dissonances. Humans are good at cognitive dissonance to justify tribal loyalty.
I am no antivaxxer. I do note that the COVID vaccines at issue were rushed through and there was great pressure to approve them.
Whatever.
Idiots, as you term them, have the right to free speech as well. Even if what they say is wrong. What we are seeing now is those in power using that precedent to silence people like you and I.
It's been a divisive issue all around. And I have avoided it because I think there has been an attempt to politicize and weaponize the issue by political extremists (on all sides).
Of course. As I have tried to make clear, it isn't a black and white issue, but plenty of humans have tried to make it one, usually for reasons of tribal loyalty.
Thank you FF from an idiot antivaxxer.
PS I don't think science really has right and wrong. Only more or less evidence, of higher or lower quality, to back up interpretation.
Oh, very well then...concerning "the science is settled!"
“I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had.
Let's be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.
There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.”
― Michael Crichton
n.b. Michael Crichton had an M.D. from Harvard, so I suspect that he knew something whereof he spoke.
Sorry, boss, it's anything but "plain and simple".
Anti-ALL-vaxxers are silly because they deny a (historically and biologically) productive STRATEGY. But the excellent strategy of vaccination has numerous possible implementation TACTICS. Anti-mRNA vaxxers are hardly idiots; they're justified because it's a dangerous tactic with an ultimately unacceptable risk/benefit ratio. Chinese and Cubans got it right using more traditional protein-antigen-based tactics. US NIAID/ Pharma got it wrong. That mRNA tactical approach was stupid and unnecessarily risky, although cost-effective and profitable. Bottom line. Nasally administered protein-antigen vaccine inducing local mucosal immunity was called for if the aim was to attenuate spread; any immunologist worth their salt knew this, but science hardly took precedence here.
The excellent strategy of vaccination? Even the first and worst, for smallpox, was never shown to be excellent in anything other than killing people. Smallpox was irradicated by improvements in child labour laws and sanitation and contempories were gobsmacked that intelligent people would accept, without evidence, that the vaccine was effective. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/lets-hope-the-monkey-pox-nonsense.
All immunologists knowing that causing production of mucosal antibodies and t cells in the nose provides immunity to being ill or transmitting illness? Yes, cold symptoms appear to start in the nose with mucus as the body detoxes, it doesn't follow that stimulating a reaction there prevents disease. And even the most effective 'vaccines' only provided a couple of percent more protection from the non specific symptoms of 'covid' than placebo- over 98% of people already were 'immune'.
Science absolutely didn't take precedence here.
Try focusing. You're all over the place. Using smallpox as one example to generalize is a bullshit tactic. for starters; and no one in their right mind would disagree that sanitation did more to cull the spread of most infectious diseases than any other single factor. Clearly you know a little. But read my comment before you go off half baked. I said "attenuate spread". In no case is a vaccine superior to your own immune response, that's a given; but there are instances where vaccines are necessary to "beat the clock" by instantiating immune memory when a primary immune response would be too slow to prevent organ damage. Case by case, please.
Mid western doc has shown that most diseases were going away long before the vaccine for them came out. And he’s not the only one who has. And in many cases giving people certain vaccines made the problem worse. You never vaccinate during an active epidemic because it puts pressure on the virus to mutate. Hence we keep seeing more and more variants. It’s not rocket science…
Good analysis.
I agree, Made a great deal of sense.
Very impressive sounding words and phrases anyway.
Heehee such great reasoning so well articulated.
Well I guess that’s settled than.
Laugh away. Wait and see. The whole Israel/Palestine thing is another cabal diversion. If you don't get that by now, you need to give your head a shake. Wait until the UN declares a planetary climate emergency (probably sometime in September this year).
The entire "plandemic/Ukraine/Israel/Palestine/Russia Russia Russia/global boiling" - all related; all part of the cabal plan to cut travel, restrict freedoms, close churches, impose CBDC, control everything and fill their pockets in the process. Look up Catherine Austin Fitts sometime when your ass has stopped laughing.
No - it's the governments that are supposed to serve us that have that problem.
'The “antisemitism” moral panic has officially jumped the shark.'
The deliberately excessive, overblown sense of victimhood is pretty insane and unhinged!
I keep thinking we're as far down the slippery slope as we will go in my lifetime and yet it keeps getting worse. I guess we'll be at the bottom when me, you and everyone like us have been jailed or killed - like they are doing to Gazans.