Yeah, of all the arbitrary points we could start with to describe the chain of causation of how and why humanity finds itself barelling toward catastrophe, WWII is a really good one.
The imperial security state really kicked in, and there's been an uninterrupted explosion of fuckery since then.
For the US state department and the intelligence services, as the active arms of the world's owners, the war never ended.
In my interactions with people recently, whenever I see there is some leaning towards the idea that there must be some truth to the mainstream narratives (otherwise, how could they be true), I usually switch gears to discussing how cognitive dissonance and behavioral science actually work. You quickly find out that many people, even relatively good and smart folks, just aren't conversant in the basics of how psyops works.
Funny how the entire Western Five Eyes system is by-and-large run and organized around psyops, yet there's not one course or university curriculum that includes a serious discussion of how psyops shape modern political narratives. It's not that hard...
On the other hand, while a problem can't really be solved until we can put a name on it, once we do put a name on it, it becomes hard to unsee and ignore.
The Russiagate narrative is a perfect example of cognitive dissonance. From a Behavioral Science standpoint, it's understood that most people are "agreeable," they don't want any trouble. Simply "suggesting" that a certain story or set of facts could be associated with Russian "disinformation" is enough to spook many people. Much of the "Narrative Matrix" is a series of cognitive dissonances run in feedback loops on the MSM.
Just pointing out how cognitive dissonance works often changes the nature of the discussion, since people are faced with the question of considering how the beliefs in their head actually got there, rather than arguing any one given narrative.
Biden probably didn't do anything, my guess is it was too much of a threat to the other graft seakers. The Clinton Clique already has too many seats at the table.
Whoa, just rewatching Apocalypse Now. There's a scene when the French Plantation owner says it was the USA that invented the Viet Minh.
Funny how I'm so willing to accept that as true even if it isn't close to true. The "color revolutions" of the past decade just stand out now. It almost makes me wonder if the USA isn't the spawn of satan. LOL
FDR has a policy of getting rid of direct colonialism and replacing it with neo-liberal colonialism and Uncle Ho was an OSS agent. It was only under the dufus, Harry Truman, that his grand vision for coopting the whole world was turned into the cold war that could have been avoided if Truman had the balls to resist the MIC of his time. Note this source is part of the NED/MI6. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ho-Chi-Minh/World-War-II-and-the-founding-of-the-Vietnamese-state
I'd love to go. It isn't a question of daring. It is a question of being lost. Look at what people think about Oliver Stone. If I had a couple of Oscars behind me...
Worse because Silicon Valley ideas of truth are *themselves* second-hand. e.g.. Tiananmen square narrative in particular still is being majorly lied about in Western MSM - Silicon Valley is therefore righteousness++ itself on Dannny Haiphong when he posits an alternative. It is a dreadful *extension* of MSM propagandizing.
Haiphong definitely should not have been censored for voicing his view on Tienanmen square. Nonetheless, this constant defense of other corrupt authoritarian regimes from the anti-American Empire crowd is tiresome. America is evil, but it is not uniquely evil. It is uniquely powerful, which allows it to spread its brand of evil over a greater percentage of the globe. But it is a mistake to go from "America is evil" to "American geopolitical adversaries are not evil" or to believe that mainstream narratives about the atrocities committed by American geopolitical adversaries are false American PsyOps. The American Empire surely cynically exploits atrocities committed by geopolitical allies. But that doesn't mean they didn't happen.
The Chinese government is evil and more than capable of massacring its people. Look at the Shanghai lockdowns and Uyghur concentration camps (though I suppose Haiphong and others probably believe these are just fictional accounts as well and that the Chinese people of all ethnicities and religions are singing Kumbaya together while enjoying their worker's paradise). The Chinese people also have more than enough reason to organically rise up against the Chinese government. Sure, maybe the U.S. gave them some support in doing so. But to suggest the Chinese people did not have their own reasons for organically rising up against their government, and to suggest that the Tienanmen Square massacre was somehow a legitimate response to foreign agents, is absurd.
"The Chinese government does bad things" and "All US claims about the Chinese government are 100% true" are two completely different claims, and the latter does not follow from the former. Conflating them is sloppy thinking.
I am so tired of this "But PUTIN" excuses for American crimes against humanity. Most of those who raise this defense have no clue about Putin other than the facade painted by the American Oligarchy. (I could say MSM, but why?)
I'm definitely not claiming "All US claims about the Chinese government are 100% true." Let's take Tienanmen Square as an example. I find the mainstream account of what happened credible, i.e. that there were student-led demonstrations that were brutally crushed by the government. One can also quite credibly assert that the US covertly supported the demonstrations, and cynically used the ensuing massacre for geopolitical ends, and that this aspect of the incident is cynically omitted from the mainstream account. But this latter claim does not at all undermine the basic facts of the former claim. Both claims can be, and probably are, true.
So the mainstream US account is not "100% true," as it leaves out important facts and spins others. But the basic facts are still accurate as far as they go. This is the sort of discernment Chomsky argues for in Manufacturing Consent. There are elements of truth in official accounts, along with willful omissions and spin. Our job is to sort through it without becoming untethered from the basic evidence. It is a mistake to reflexively through out the baby with the bathwater.
You plainly haven't even done any research whatsoever into what the counterclaims about Tiananmen even are. You haven't even clicked on the hyperlinks in the very article that you are commenting on and read those. You literally just swallowed the imperial narrative right down your throat without the slightest twinge of gag reflex.
I'm US citizen who has lived in Asia most of my adult life. If you think the US has a monopoly on propaganda and psyops, think again. I do not trust American official narratives, nor do I trust Asian ones, especially not from China. As I've expressed in these comments, there are elements of truth and falsity on different sides of this debate. All I can do is take it all with a grain of salt because I wasn't there. It sure looks like the Chinese government did something bad that day, and I'm sure the USA was involved too. They're all psychopaths. Don't give any of these assholes the benefit of the doubt.
I'm not going to litigate with you in the comments section all of the evidence over what happened or did not happen in Tienanmen Square in 1989. I reviewed Haiphongs tweets and links and also went a step further and looked at documents from which some of his quotes were drawn. It is a selective review of the evidence, to put it mildly. For instance, he cites Kristoff's quotes as evidence to support his argument that no massacre happened, but if one goes to the article, one sees that Kristoff concludes "[t]he true number of deaths will probably never be known, and it is possible that thousands of people were killed without leaving evidence behind. But based on the evidence that is now available, it seems plausible that about a dozen soldiers and policemen were killed, along with 400 to 800 civilians." So this is not to argue Kristoff is or is not right, but just to say that there is spin and material omissions all around. I appreciate Haiphong taking the time to gather evidence to support his case. But it, of course, leaves a lot out.
So I appreciate dissenting opinions like Haiphongs, and I very much enjoy your critiques of the American Empire, which are often dead on. And I share your outrage that views like Haiphongs are censored.
But I bristle when the Western anti-war crowd, of which I consider myself a part, come to the defense of other authoritarian regimes, and uncritically accept propaganda from those regimes because it supports the anti-American Imperialism argument. That is what I see happening here.
David:"I'm US citizen who has lived in Asia most of my adult life." Oh, that makes you one of the worst, who do you practice pedastry on? What's' your preference under age girls or under age boys?
See how easy it is to slander without facts, or better yet when you make them up or get them made up by Nazis and their decedents working for the US Government?
(though I suppose David and others probably just believe these are fictional accounts as well and that the Chinese people of all ethnicities and religions are singing Kumbaya together while enjoying their worker's paradise).
There, fixed it for you. As fact free as the earlier version.
Plenty more good arctlcles on there, just search for "Uyghur". Also I don't like a lot of things that China does either, even Haiphong wil critique them at times, but they approve of their government in way bigger percentages than the US.
Looks like someone is just believing his govt's propaganda and then repeating it as if it's FACT... Do you also think that Putin is the problem in Ukraine? Uh huh. Get back to school.
I'm not sure what in my comment can be interpreted as saying USA is "less evil." I did not say that and do not believe that. Every country with any amount of geopolitical clout is run by psychopaths, USA and China foremost among them. Russia is no exception either, despite what many of the anti-American Imperialists are saying these days.
Sorry. Science is not a hoax. Vaccines are not dangerous, they save millions of lives around the world all the time. Don't use the campaign to support political free speech to promote pseudo-science. It will not win you any friends here.
If you really want to talk about science, then you need to do your homework. Sitting around listening to propaganda is not research, nor is it scientific. If you knew Thing One about science, you'd have never made the post you just made.
Some safe, some are not. We cannot claim that any injection of unknown substance is automatically "safe" just because we decided to call it a "vaccine" as if the word itself has some magic supernatural qualities.
I suggest you try to use scientific method to consider your hypothesis that “Science is not a hoax.”
I am confident that if you proposed this hypothesis to a group of scientists, they would (at minimum) have extreme difficulty with the term “science”. For example, by “science,” do you mean physics and chemistry, or do you also include psychology, sociology, anthropology and economics?
If you can solve this age-old question, then we can proceed with the next step in scientifically critiquing your "hypothesis."
How willing are you to consider the statement that “Science is not a hoax” is itself a propaganda slogan?
I actually find it quite karmic that the Deep State created the Internet but has the Internet to thank for more and more people waking up to reality and truth. I don't think they can control what is happening, and that is why they seem to be scrambling.
And most likely "deep state" itself does not create anything, they just use "useful idiot" scientists and engineers to advance their goals and enrich and empower themselves. Most of the time the inventor itself is left with nothing being just a salaried employee that can be discarded at whim
Another Brilliant Article - Fact Checkers = Empire Propagandists! Free Speech is an Absolute - you are either for it or you are against it - and if you are for it - you are for all of it - including things you may disagree with or be disgusted by whether or not they are factual. Why are people being silenced for disagreeing with Government narratives??? I find it so Amazing that the Corporate News (Fox/CNN/MSNBC) - parade out these neo-con & neo-lib "journalists" whose programs should actually be considered opinion pieces not News!. I cannot for the life of me remember a single time when I learned anything newsworthy from the CBC/BBC etc.... So many Lies/So much lost life/So much betrayal. However - I am convinced that a growing majority of our fellow citizens are getting wiser & coming to join us against this Tyranny! SWJW.
Getting suspended on Twitter, Facebook, whatever, has become like a badge of honor. I say we all follow and praise those journalists/truthseekers who bring down the wrath of the "fact checkers" and make them even more popular than ever. That should piss off NewsGuard and company and show them how futile it is censoring the 'net.
i preferred 1984 when it was fiction
It’s been 1984 since 1945
Yeah, of all the arbitrary points we could start with to describe the chain of causation of how and why humanity finds itself barelling toward catastrophe, WWII is a really good one.
The imperial security state really kicked in, and there's been an uninterrupted explosion of fuckery since then.
For the US state department and the intelligence services, as the active arms of the world's owners, the war never ended.
Agreed.
ive been finding that out recently
Yep, and building up to that for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.
There are definitely cracks in the facade.
In my interactions with people recently, whenever I see there is some leaning towards the idea that there must be some truth to the mainstream narratives (otherwise, how could they be true), I usually switch gears to discussing how cognitive dissonance and behavioral science actually work. You quickly find out that many people, even relatively good and smart folks, just aren't conversant in the basics of how psyops works.
Funny how the entire Western Five Eyes system is by-and-large run and organized around psyops, yet there's not one course or university curriculum that includes a serious discussion of how psyops shape modern political narratives. It's not that hard...
On the other hand, while a problem can't really be solved until we can put a name on it, once we do put a name on it, it becomes hard to unsee and ignore.
The Russiagate narrative is a perfect example of cognitive dissonance. From a Behavioral Science standpoint, it's understood that most people are "agreeable," they don't want any trouble. Simply "suggesting" that a certain story or set of facts could be associated with Russian "disinformation" is enough to spook many people. Much of the "Narrative Matrix" is a series of cognitive dissonances run in feedback loops on the MSM.
Just pointing out how cognitive dissonance works often changes the nature of the discussion, since people are faced with the question of considering how the beliefs in their head actually got there, rather than arguing any one given narrative.
Excellent point.
So if I put out content in 2002 stating that the existence of Iraqi WMDs was 169% pure fiction, would I get banned?
You bet your sweet bippy.
Ahhhh, not only astute, but obviously in my camp of Laugh-In fans... ;)
Not sure where I got that line from.
Laugh-In, for sure. But maybe you only heard it from a fan of those days... It gave me a smile, anyway.
Long before my time.
Yes, they banned Scott Ritter.
I suspect that the real reason Biden suspended formation of the "disinformation bureau" wasn't because of stupid Mary Poppins videos.
It was because outsourcing the task to Silicon Valley insulates the censorship function from pesky things like "unwanted election results".
Biden probably didn't do anything, my guess is it was too much of a threat to the other graft seakers. The Clinton Clique already has too many seats at the table.
Philip K Dick is now being made real. They're not stopping at Orwell.
I know I'm feeling more paranoid than ever. Philip knew what was in our future.
If all else fails, they can just buy up any rogue site.
"Consolidate" it out of existence.
Whoa, just rewatching Apocalypse Now. There's a scene when the French Plantation owner says it was the USA that invented the Viet Minh.
Funny how I'm so willing to accept that as true even if it isn't close to true. The "color revolutions" of the past decade just stand out now. It almost makes me wonder if the USA isn't the spawn of satan. LOL
FDR has a policy of getting rid of direct colonialism and replacing it with neo-liberal colonialism and Uncle Ho was an OSS agent. It was only under the dufus, Harry Truman, that his grand vision for coopting the whole world was turned into the cold war that could have been avoided if Truman had the balls to resist the MIC of his time. Note this source is part of the NED/MI6. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ho-Chi-Minh/World-War-II-and-the-founding-of-the-Vietnamese-state
I cannot thank you enough for that link. I really wish I knew what to do with it. Bookmarked and saved. Maybe some day...
A very NED/MI6 source, so reality is worse. Down the rabbit warren, no mere hole, with bolt holes twisting in unimagined directions if you dare.
I'd love to go. It isn't a question of daring. It is a question of being lost. Look at what people think about Oliver Stone. If I had a couple of Oscars behind me...
The US is the MUSCLE of the Spawn of Satan. There is other spawn, too.
Worse because Silicon Valley ideas of truth are *themselves* second-hand. e.g.. Tiananmen square narrative in particular still is being majorly lied about in Western MSM - Silicon Valley is therefore righteousness++ itself on Dannny Haiphong when he posits an alternative. It is a dreadful *extension* of MSM propagandizing.
Haiphong definitely should not have been censored for voicing his view on Tienanmen square. Nonetheless, this constant defense of other corrupt authoritarian regimes from the anti-American Empire crowd is tiresome. America is evil, but it is not uniquely evil. It is uniquely powerful, which allows it to spread its brand of evil over a greater percentage of the globe. But it is a mistake to go from "America is evil" to "American geopolitical adversaries are not evil" or to believe that mainstream narratives about the atrocities committed by American geopolitical adversaries are false American PsyOps. The American Empire surely cynically exploits atrocities committed by geopolitical allies. But that doesn't mean they didn't happen.
The Chinese government is evil and more than capable of massacring its people. Look at the Shanghai lockdowns and Uyghur concentration camps (though I suppose Haiphong and others probably believe these are just fictional accounts as well and that the Chinese people of all ethnicities and religions are singing Kumbaya together while enjoying their worker's paradise). The Chinese people also have more than enough reason to organically rise up against the Chinese government. Sure, maybe the U.S. gave them some support in doing so. But to suggest the Chinese people did not have their own reasons for organically rising up against their government, and to suggest that the Tienanmen Square massacre was somehow a legitimate response to foreign agents, is absurd.
"The Chinese government does bad things" and "All US claims about the Chinese government are 100% true" are two completely different claims, and the latter does not follow from the former. Conflating them is sloppy thinking.
PRECISELY!
I am so tired of this "But PUTIN" excuses for American crimes against humanity. Most of those who raise this defense have no clue about Putin other than the facade painted by the American Oligarchy. (I could say MSM, but why?)
I'm definitely not claiming "All US claims about the Chinese government are 100% true." Let's take Tienanmen Square as an example. I find the mainstream account of what happened credible, i.e. that there were student-led demonstrations that were brutally crushed by the government. One can also quite credibly assert that the US covertly supported the demonstrations, and cynically used the ensuing massacre for geopolitical ends, and that this aspect of the incident is cynically omitted from the mainstream account. But this latter claim does not at all undermine the basic facts of the former claim. Both claims can be, and probably are, true.
So the mainstream US account is not "100% true," as it leaves out important facts and spins others. But the basic facts are still accurate as far as they go. This is the sort of discernment Chomsky argues for in Manufacturing Consent. There are elements of truth in official accounts, along with willful omissions and spin. Our job is to sort through it without becoming untethered from the basic evidence. It is a mistake to reflexively through out the baby with the bathwater.
You plainly haven't even done any research whatsoever into what the counterclaims about Tiananmen even are. You haven't even clicked on the hyperlinks in the very article that you are commenting on and read those. You literally just swallowed the imperial narrative right down your throat without the slightest twinge of gag reflex.
I'm US citizen who has lived in Asia most of my adult life. If you think the US has a monopoly on propaganda and psyops, think again. I do not trust American official narratives, nor do I trust Asian ones, especially not from China. As I've expressed in these comments, there are elements of truth and falsity on different sides of this debate. All I can do is take it all with a grain of salt because I wasn't there. It sure looks like the Chinese government did something bad that day, and I'm sure the USA was involved too. They're all psychopaths. Don't give any of these assholes the benefit of the doubt.
You STILL haven't read anything disputing the US narrative. You're not even interested in whether it's true or false.
I'm not going to litigate with you in the comments section all of the evidence over what happened or did not happen in Tienanmen Square in 1989. I reviewed Haiphongs tweets and links and also went a step further and looked at documents from which some of his quotes were drawn. It is a selective review of the evidence, to put it mildly. For instance, he cites Kristoff's quotes as evidence to support his argument that no massacre happened, but if one goes to the article, one sees that Kristoff concludes "[t]he true number of deaths will probably never be known, and it is possible that thousands of people were killed without leaving evidence behind. But based on the evidence that is now available, it seems plausible that about a dozen soldiers and policemen were killed, along with 400 to 800 civilians." So this is not to argue Kristoff is or is not right, but just to say that there is spin and material omissions all around. I appreciate Haiphong taking the time to gather evidence to support his case. But it, of course, leaves a lot out.
So I appreciate dissenting opinions like Haiphongs, and I very much enjoy your critiques of the American Empire, which are often dead on. And I share your outrage that views like Haiphongs are censored.
But I bristle when the Western anti-war crowd, of which I consider myself a part, come to the defense of other authoritarian regimes, and uncritically accept propaganda from those regimes because it supports the anti-American Imperialism argument. That is what I see happening here.
David:"I'm US citizen who has lived in Asia most of my adult life." Oh, that makes you one of the worst, who do you practice pedastry on? What's' your preference under age girls or under age boys?
See how easy it is to slander without facts, or better yet when you make them up or get them made up by Nazis and their decedents working for the US Government?
Logical fallacy. You are lazy, your argument is flawed, and nobody wants to play with you. Now go, and sin no more.
(though I suppose David and others probably just believe these are fictional accounts as well and that the Chinese people of all ethnicities and religions are singing Kumbaya together while enjoying their worker's paradise).
There, fixed it for you. As fact free as the earlier version.
Uyghur "concentration camps" is greatly exaggerated: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/
Plenty more good arctlcles on there, just search for "Uyghur". Also I don't like a lot of things that China does either, even Haiphong wil critique them at times, but they approve of their government in way bigger percentages than the US.
Looks like someone is just believing his govt's propaganda and then repeating it as if it's FACT... Do you also think that Putin is the problem in Ukraine? Uh huh. Get back to school.
You may have a point,
but I reject the proposition that the USA is "less evil" and therefore the atrocities it performs are to be accepted.
I'm not sure what in my comment can be interpreted as saying USA is "less evil." I did not say that and do not believe that. Every country with any amount of geopolitical clout is run by psychopaths, USA and China foremost among them. Russia is no exception either, despite what many of the anti-American Imperialists are saying these days.
Really? Read your first two sentences and tell me again how you aren't excusing America for its war crimes.
The "yeah, its a crime -- but everyone does it" excuse wears thin.
But you go that extra step, "yeah, it was wrong for the US to do this -- but PUTIN!"
I'm not sure how "they're all evil psychopaths" qualifies as making excuses for anyone.
"Everyone does it" can be read as a defense.
and guess what else they censor...the KNOWN but HIDDEN dangers of VACCINES...for those of you who can handle the truth....https://www.bitchute.com/video/OYgyxBmaXnen/
Sorry. Science is not a hoax. Vaccines are not dangerous, they save millions of lives around the world all the time. Don't use the campaign to support political free speech to promote pseudo-science. It will not win you any friends here.
If you really want to talk about science, then you need to do your homework. Sitting around listening to propaganda is not research, nor is it scientific. If you knew Thing One about science, you'd have never made the post you just made.
sorry I meant to address the brainwashed covidiot
lol no prob
unlike you I have done my research...theres over a hundred books and many documentaries revealing big pharmas lies about the safety and efficacy of vaccines...stop parroting their propaganda talking points and do your own research...https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-vaccines-dangerous-kids-cola/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=b0075135-52ad-4ea2-b6c4-e2fb8a7439bd
Uh, rich? I wasn't replying to YOU. I was replying to Carolyn... I agree with you.
Some safe, some are not. We cannot claim that any injection of unknown substance is automatically "safe" just because we decided to call it a "vaccine" as if the word itself has some magic supernatural qualities.
none are safe....https://www.allthingsmedicine.com/dissolving-illusions-disease-vaccines-and-the-forgotten-history-pdf-download-free/
obviously you didnt watch the documentary I provided...please do so then we can have an intelligent debate...also read this book...https://www.allthingsmedicine.com/dissolving-illusions-disease-vaccines-and-the-forgotten-history-pdf-download-free/
She won't read it, but I will. Thanks.
I suggest you try to use scientific method to consider your hypothesis that “Science is not a hoax.”
I am confident that if you proposed this hypothesis to a group of scientists, they would (at minimum) have extreme difficulty with the term “science”. For example, by “science,” do you mean physics and chemistry, or do you also include psychology, sociology, anthropology and economics?
If you can solve this age-old question, then we can proceed with the next step in scientifically critiquing your "hypothesis."
How willing are you to consider the statement that “Science is not a hoax” is itself a propaganda slogan?
She's talking about science the religion. ;)
Respectfully I recommend "Dissolving Illusions, Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History" by Suzanne Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk
I actually find it quite karmic that the Deep State created the Internet but has the Internet to thank for more and more people waking up to reality and truth. I don't think they can control what is happening, and that is why they seem to be scrambling.
And most likely "deep state" itself does not create anything, they just use "useful idiot" scientists and engineers to advance their goals and enrich and empower themselves. Most of the time the inventor itself is left with nothing being just a salaried employee that can be discarded at whim
I had a "private" message intercepted by Elon - our saviour of free speech - only yesterday:
https://wirralinittogether.blog/2022/06/05/it-looks-like-elon-musk-is-spying-on-the-content-of-our-allegedly-private-twitter-personal-messages/
Another Brilliant Article - Fact Checkers = Empire Propagandists! Free Speech is an Absolute - you are either for it or you are against it - and if you are for it - you are for all of it - including things you may disagree with or be disgusted by whether or not they are factual. Why are people being silenced for disagreeing with Government narratives??? I find it so Amazing that the Corporate News (Fox/CNN/MSNBC) - parade out these neo-con & neo-lib "journalists" whose programs should actually be considered opinion pieces not News!. I cannot for the life of me remember a single time when I learned anything newsworthy from the CBC/BBC etc.... So many Lies/So much lost life/So much betrayal. However - I am convinced that a growing majority of our fellow citizens are getting wiser & coming to join us against this Tyranny! SWJW.
Ms Johnston (per usual) is on point!
Keep on fighting Caitlin!
Getting suspended on Twitter, Facebook, whatever, has become like a badge of honor. I say we all follow and praise those journalists/truthseekers who bring down the wrath of the "fact checkers" and make them even more popular than ever. That should piss off NewsGuard and company and show them how futile it is censoring the 'net.