The United States of Genocide is engaged in full spectrum genocide for the purpose of full spectrum dominance over a fully dead planet. This seems to prove that we are ruled by a death cult, and that most people are willing to go along with it.
"... we are ruled by a death cult, and that most people are willing to go along with it." - I don't think people believe there can be such cult. They'll call it "conspiracy theory", exactly what the cultists want, and continue supporting the cultists unwittingly.
John Perkins described his training to become an Economic Hit Man with his one time handler Claudine Martin. He chuckled when he first heard it from her, and she told him that's exactly why they use the term - it sounds so ridiculous no one would take it seriously. Subsequently they always used EHM, never spelling it out.
The manipulators know exactly what they're doing. The dupes will always outnumber doubters and questioners (smeared as "conspiracy theorists") and ensure the status quo.
They will be dead sooner or later. Might as well take everybody else with them. That's what death cult means.
People are so naive and can't believe what kind of shit takes place. Watch yesterday's Kim Iversen about Karlyn Borysenko infiltrating some socialist cult. How they teach and celebrate the actual process of abortion with some weird worship.
Mute you? In dumb and dumber you'd be a distant third. To burn your "Crumpled Foreskin" account, to reveal your this master account - one must be truly dumb. Or in your parlance - since you're not into brevity thing - un culero grandioso.
Stephen strong post. I believe that religions are death cults too. Why? He dies for your sins. Apparently it was impossible for God to get nice, so he had to slaughter his son to pull off the deal. Once born you bow, yield, and kneel, begging him not to send you to Lucifer, again when you DIE. Then finally when you die you may or may not be rewarded, nobody really knows. . Look no disrespect to religion but if the stakes are that high we deserve better than that from the creator.
Waaaaaaa!!! Genocide fenocide blah blah blah! You guys are so full of shit. Like you actually care about anything going on in the world. You rail about it on places like Substack so you feel good about yourselves while you suck on $12 lattes. Go ride your fucking skateboard or something.
Like I said, you don’t give a shit about what’s happening. You just like coming on to the internet and pretending you’re part of something. Mostly because you’re tired of fucking your mom in her basement, and you’re looking for some excitement to add to that otherwise shit dull life you live. Now go wipe that shredded ass of yours and stop shoving baseball bats up your ass. And quit pretending like you give a shit about any of this. Because you don’t.
It's like a game to these people at the DNC convention, and to the Trumpsters as well, and to the rest of the blood-thirsty Neocons. After all, it's not their sons and daughters that will end up dead in a war thousands of miles away, based on deceit and lies. It's not their mother and grandmother being buried under cement blocks by Israeli (made in America) 2,000 pound bombs.
But who knows, maybe these lunatics really will end up getting us all killed in a nuclear exchange. They treat nuclear weapons like a game as well. It's all a game to these people. They've made the world and our lives into a game of mass death. They seem to think that's all life is suppose to be about.
And in those 11 months Caitlin hasn't touched LIHOP even once.
She hasn't given it a thumbs up nor down nor even acknowledged that it exists.
Kinda like Ronald Reagan and AIDS.
The outrage from Israelis, giving permission to commit Genocide, was all manufactured by their own government. They are treacherous and duplicitous and betray their own people.
The following is not my argument for LIHOP, though you should be wise to it.
It shows how Netanyahu and Israel treats it's own.
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Netanyahu is positioning himself for "plausible deniability" with respect to responsibility for October 7th. A problematic strategy, as he has to take care not to make himself look like a disinterested, irresponsible fumbler, while treating Israeli families like gullible suckers.
From September 11th was born the 9/11 Families, an organization of families that suffered the loss of loved ones and seek the truth beyond the official narrative.
Similarly, October 7th has given birth to more than one group of families. There are those that had
family members at the Rave Party, for example, and another group that had daughters who were IDF border watchers - the "Spotters".
The Spotters Families have been ignored by the government for nine months.
"
The families went on to tell Netanyahu about how hurt they are because the government has ignored them. "I've been sitting at home for nine months," said one person there. "No one has come to us – no one for the government, or from the Knesset. Nobody has come to ask forgiveness, to say, 'We're thinking of you, we're aware of your existence.'"
Another person added: "Not one person can come see us at home? For nine months, not one person can come and knock on the door and say: 'We erred, we're sorry'? Where's the respect?
"
Votes had been taken in the Knesset to form a commission of inquiry but the measure has been defeated more than once.
Netanyahu's position is that an inquiry at this time would be disruptive to the war effort
The pressure is on so Netanyahu took measure and concluded that he needed to address the Spotter Families.
"
"I want to apologize to you, because I didn't know that no one came to see you," Netanyahu replied. "More than 1,300 or 1,400 souls were murdered or fell in battle, I didn't know that no one visited, I don't know why. We'll look into this too.
"
He pretended to not know what everyone else in Israel knew, the spotters were asked to serve near Gaza unarmed.
"
Netanyahu told the soldiers' families that he only found out right now that they were posted on the Gaza border without being armed: "I just asked Roman [Roman Gofman – the prime minister's military secretary]: 'Were there weapons? No weapons?,' now, just an hour and a half ago, and he said, 'No.' I said: 'How can that be?'" One of the participants responded: "You mean to tell me that you didn't know they weren't armed? That's a big problem in itself."
"
Then Netanyahu throws a pie in the face of the Spotters Families.
The families related how their daughters, the spotters, were constantly telling them (and their chain of command)
of an approaching invasion. Netanyahu was 'shocked, I tell you, shocked'.
Though stunned Netanyahu said he had discovered the problem himself. He said he didn't get the information from a briefing from his generals or the intelligence division. He got it from a conversation with his son.
Netanyahu - the spotter warnings and observations were not being entered into a database for the intell div to read.
(No one at the intelligence division noticed there was a dearth of data from the spotters?)
Netanyahu couldn't be sure his son was correct but he knew for a fact that the problem was being corrected.
How could he know it was being corrected when he didn't know for sure it was a problem in the first place?
"
"All of this information, I'm stunned by what I'm hearing. I didn't know they told you these things," the prime minister said. "All of this material was supposed to have reached someplace that operates the systems, and it didn't happen." Netanyahu claimed to have discovered this information in a conversation with his son Avner.
"The amazing things that I discovered, it was because my son was in combat intelligence – He says to me: 'Dad, this golden material, this pure gold from the spotters … I don't know if it's accurate, but you have to check it out. It's not going into a database.'" To which one of the participants reacted: "Then what are the girls doing there? What did you do when he told you that?" And Netanyahu replied: "We're dealing with it now, it didn't happen beforehand."
"
There will be no IDF general nor intelligence officer to contradict Netanyahu as they weren't sourced.
Netanyahu can later dispatch his explanation with a wave of the hand when the time comes, if necessary, "my son's information was inaccurate".
After Netanyahu made it clear how much he didn't know he responded to their demands for an inquiry
The Spotters had been warning everyone, their chain of command and their own families, for weeks and months that an invasion
was imminent. According to (trustworthy) Netanyahu, due to a clerical error the information was not reaching the Intelligence Division.
The Spotter Familes were asked to accept that their daughters died because, for some unknown reason, they were posted at the
Gaza border without weapons AND their service was an act of futility, none of the Spotter information was reaching the
Intelligence Division.
On top of that, Netanyahu, the Prime Minister, is telling the families that he was out of the loop on all of it, is **still** out of the loop and wants no official inquiry.
He has no explanation for why they were killed like unarmed lambs to the slaughter. Tells them that their service was an act of futility because all their dire warnings and observations pointing at an imminent invasion never reached the Intelligence Division due to a clerical error. Even his outrageous explanation, "their
observations weren't being entered into a database for the Intelligence Division" is not based on meetings with his generals or intelligence sector, it is based on what he claims was "a conversation with his son".
The son even saying that he is unsure about his information.
It has been shown that most of the dead on Oct 7th were from the Israeli’s shooting their own, along with no headless babies, and no raping of women. It was a lie so they could go on a bloodthirsty killing spree. I think she has talked about that when she said every accusation is a confession, if I’m not mistaken.
CJ>>"Progressive Americans often say “At least the Democrats can be pressured to end the killing in Gaza!” Bitch, it’s been more than ten months. How has your “pressure” worked so far?"
"Bitch, it’s been more than ten months. How has your “pressure” worked so far?"
I feel like tattooing this statement on my arm so I don't have to repeat it over and over again to so-called "progressive Democrats" and other foolish people with no conscience. The Dems ain't never going to be "pressured" into stopping the genocide. AIPAC owns the duopoply lock, stock and barrel. They're a bunch of baby-killing puppets on strings. Ditto for Team Red MAGA.
We the People have got to shut them down before they shut down the entirety of the planet by simultaneously or sequentially using "a combination of nuclear and nonnuclear weapons.” Vote #JillStein2024
There is NO justification for what Israel is doing, excepted perhaps untreated psychopathy..As for the Ukrainian invasion of Kursk, it's already turning into a disaster, as the Russians roll forward in the Donbas and Ukraine's forces gets caught in a cauldron....Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of perverts, war criminals, and thieves....
"cringey bubblegum pop imperialism festival" -- what a great phrase to describe the videos of the Dem elite warmongers and their sickeningly drugged-out adoring sheep that ran on the front page of the Times online all day. Unnerving that these people celebrate themselves.
"That the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is very complicated and difficult to understand." yeah, just like killing off millions of indigenous people in the Americas is really complicated. Definitely not a bunch of murderous, greedy mostly white power mongers trying to take control in either place.
"That the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has bad guys on both sides who are both equally bad".-----except one of the bad guys has a lot of other bad guys with weapons and ammunition at the ready to hand over to the bad guys who are presently committing genocide.
"That the west’s support for Israel has ever been about anything other than geostrategic dominance of a resource-rich region." Hey guys, we can make a lot of money over here
Where is it? Venezuela. #1, currently under threat by the USA for a government change. Sanctions applied as matter of normal US procedure: Then comes Saudi where the USA arms it to the teeth, tries very hard to maintain a friendly relationship, ignores any Saudi act of criminality;
Canada, birds of a feather with he USA and unlikely ever to change as the USA props up a government now losing its charm with the people;
Iran, getting ready for a US war….no reason in particular but it is the world’s fourth oil reserve country and very close geographically to Israel;
Iraq, the US is already stealing their oil every day, Illegally of course;
Kuwait, being observed very closely and they know it;
UAE, same as Saudi;
Libya. It was made a failed state by the USA using false pretences with Clinton’s famous lines…"we came, we saw, he died": and he did. Gaddafi, like Allende in Chile, a casualty to US hegemonic ambitions.
So it's clear. The US cannot ignore any Middle Eastern opportunity to buy or to conquer or to sanction or preferably to steal oil and gas. There as the duly appointed master of ceremonies is Netanyahu and his commercially obsessed brethren and they’ll kill anyone to achieve their objectives, knowing all the while that the "USA has their back”, as in the past, with the likes of Pinochet as well in Chile and so many others since WWII. If the USA needs you, your back gets carefully watched.....for their benefit.
But their need for oil has become a very obvious long term plan, so obvious to all.
Watch out, Venezuela., #1 in oil reserves. You are on the US death list.
CJ>>"The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans will kill a million Palestinians and say they’re doing it so Jesus will come back, whereas Democrats will kill a million Palestinians while making noises with their mouths like “ceasefire” and “two-state solution”."
YES! Why don't more people (in this substack's comments section) and outside REALIZE that the Democrats and Republicans are more alike than different? They keep fighting against each other and shouting verbal abuses and accusations at each other INSTEAD of coming together to STOP THIS GENOCIDE and challenge US Empire Managers, the establishment, and the 1%. Don't they realize that they're being played like a fiddle and dancing to a jig for the entertainment and amusement of the power elite?
They (Israel) also championed the machine-gunning of the USS Liberty's deck. Never forget. They murdered American sailors and we looked the other way. Viva the men of the Liberty! That too was not mistaken identity. If you go to the Levant and the Israeli's kill you or your family, you will receive zero help from the State Department. Zero. RIP Rachel Corrie, Shireen Abu Akleh, and countless other Americans slaughtered by the Zionist reaper.
I have stated this everywhere I go! This is an act of war which makes every single Zionist Nazi politician AN ENEMY AGENT OF THE TERRORIST STATE OF ISRAEL! These are traitors committing TREASON and GENOCIDE!
"Bitch, it’s been more than ten months. How has your “pressure” worked so far?"
I just saw a diary on Daily Kos saying that Trump will be much worse for Gaza than Biden has been. Israel just bombed another school killing children. If it happens during Trump how can it be any worse? Shitlibs are just as stupid as MAGA. Prove me wrong.
Why is it so hard to admit that this wasn't happening under Trump? There was conflict in Ukraine and ever-escalating conflict in the Middle East under Obama. There is conflict in Ukraine and ever-escalating conflict in the Middle East, now, under Biden or whoever is really in charge.
Under Trump, there was no conflict in Ukraine, and the Middle East was making real progress toward peace.
Are you really so incensed by Trump's stupid tweets that you'll vote for more war?
Believe or not, conservatives are the party of peace now, and that should not be so unbelievable. Conservatives usually lean more toward isolationism.
Trump promises to end the wars, and his voters actually like that about him. Seems so obvious and clear cut. I'm on the drug known as "touching grass". I'm also on something called "not watching cable news" which is a very euphoric high, highly recommend.
Biden wants to immediately stop all aid to Israel," Trump said May 10 on Truth Social. "Any Jewish person who votes for Crooked Joe Biden should have his/her head examined!"
How mysterious. Where in that does Trump endorse killing more Palestinians? I'm actually really curious, do you think supporting Israel necessitates killing Palestinians? If that's the case, then you must think Palestinians are an existential threat to Israel.
"Trump ramped up cold war aggressions against Russia, helped set the US on track for war with China, killed tens of thousands of Venezuelans with starvation sanctions, vetoed attempts to save Yemen from U.S.-backed genocide, assassinated Iran's top military commander, worked to foment civil war in Iran using starvation sanctions and CIA ops with the stated goal of effecting regime change, occupied Syrian oil fields with the goal of preventing Syria’s reconstruction, launched repeated airstrikes against the Syrian government, greatly increased the number of troops in the Middle East and elsewhere, greatly increased the number of bombs dropped per day from the previous administration, killing record numbers of civilians, and reduced military accountability for those airstrikes. He also imprisoned Julian Assange by escalating the empire's war on journalism for exposing US war crimes."
I know for a fact that many of those things are true and that many of those things are false, but let’s assume it’s all true for a moment, here. Do you prefer the things the current administration has done to all of that? IMO, the current situation is much, much worse, and it would be insane to claim otherwise. We’re currently in an open proxy war with a nuclear super-power costing us hundreds of billions, and we’re also funding a genocide.
What's false? Care to provide any evidence to support your claim(s)?
>>"Do you prefer the things the current administration has done to all of that?"
No, of course I don't. But that's where you miss you point. It seems you are new to Caitlin Johnstone's Substack. Spend some time going through her previous articles - they explain the logic (and provide evidence) behind why BOTH Team R AND Team D are equally BAD (in slightly different ways). BOTH parties follow the agenda set by the US Foreign Policy establishment. It's only when you understand that, that you will realize how similar BOTH parties are when it comes to US Foreign Policy and US global hegemony.
"equally BAD"? That's really all you have to hang on to, at this point. We finally got you to agree the deep state uniparty are a bunch of war-mongering psychopaths, but now you cling to the cope that Trump is just as bad as them, anyway, so you don't have to admit you were wrong about that.
You agreed that the current situation is worse, like any sensible person would. So it isn't actually "equally BAD", is it?
(1) You did not provide any evidence to back up your claims of provided info being FALSE.
(2) Did you spend enough time researching and going through the evidence? (It seems not, since you replied 10 minutes after my comment).
(3) You seem to be suffering from some logic and critical thinking issues (per your last comment).
Do you understand how cause-and-effect work? How history works? How events build on each other? How when things are set in motion on a certain trajectory they tend to continue on that path unless something/someone changes things?
Here's a scenario that might help you understand. Let's hypothesize that Trump wins the election and becomes the President in 2025. What then? Are you so naive (or uninformed) to think that the Ukraine proxy war will end? Or the Gaza genocide will end? Or things will be better between the US and China? Or between the US and Iran? Or US and Venezuela? OR US and North Korea? Or a hundred other things?
I get the impression that you seem to be relatively new to geopolitics (as per your comments hinting at your understanding of how the world and great-power-politics work)
Also, why should I continue this discussion when you have made NO effort to do your homework on checking out the evidence and/or CJ's articles that give answers to exactly what you are asking? You don't seem to be engaging in good faith.
I already won the argument without debunking any of your claims. You are just hypothesizing about how Trump, may have, in an alternate timeline, done worse.
We don't have to speculate about what Trump would do, or how his actions may have potentially led to this. Harris promises to continue funding both conflicts, Trump promises to end both conflicts. Believe him or not, why take guaranteed war over a chance at peace?
I haven’t wasted one precious second of my life wasting it at the polling places where people pick pukes.
If I had my druthers, I’d take all of these fools, and others, and instead of sticking them with Warp Speed Jew-jabs, I’d distribute an unhealthy dose of hollow points.
trump's handlers changed the policy from non lethal aid to lethal aid and did nothing to enforce minsk. the abraham accords along with embassy and golan contributed bigly to the desperate jail break of october 7.
Are you really that clueless!? Trump sent weapons to Ukraine. Trump illegally moved the embassy to Jerusalem. Trump as a WAR CRIME! KILLED AN IRANIAN GENERAL! Trump has development contracts for stolen Palestinian land! Trump states that the Terrorist State of Israel "DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH CONTROL OVER THE USA"! Now go back under your rock.
Man, I'm getting so many lame ad hominem attacks here. All I'm seeing in you is cope and impotent rage. There were no new wars under Trump. He obviously didn't achieve that with kindness and cuddles. Go cry in your pillow, instead, you're not making your side look good.
Sure, I don't mind if you want to save face. But, I would recommend using different tactics in the future. All that coping and seething just makes you look stupid and emotional.
fishy, the forum is well aware of your fragility and dependence on pacifiers. Do not skip doses, refill prescriptions on a timely basis. Do not double up either as that's likely the cause of your frequent flyings off the handle.
Now, pull yourself up - the handle's right up there.
Here's a little more you should be concerned about the fact Vance is owned by Palantir who are all in on Digital ID and "FedNow" which is total control of the people! The guy who owns PayPal you know the one that stole Julian Assange's money!
Vance comes across as a crazy psycho - maybe even worse than Trump (if that's possible). Not only is he a misogynist, he's in bed with BIG TECH - which I consider to be a huge threat (not just to the US, but the whole globe). These Big Tech megalomaniacs and their political puppets need to be put on a tight leash and monitored (instead of the other way around that is the current reality).
Oh my god…. It’s like you just crawled out from under a rock. Do you actually listen to anything that’s said, or is your tunnel vision so narrow that you only hear the voice in your head that tells you Trump is Mother Theresa?
But that is just how our 'democracy' works. It picks enemies and then says they are the bad cop who are opposing the good Western cop The white hats with a sheriff star on their uniform with the bad black hat cops being outlaws posing as cops. But trust our media, it will always tell you which is which
Why on Earth would we want to stop Israel from demolishing Gaza and continuing on to a regional war(s) to maintain, or gain hegemony in the ME? We are doing the same damn thing with Russia, China, and North Korea. In our case, it is to maintain U.S. unipolarity Empire. They are not apprised of the fact: Nobody wins a nuclear war. So, our stupid government trundles onward toward oblivion.
And democrats pretend to be daft enough to believe the empty platitudes of their leaders so they can pretend they have a stance or discernible principle. They couldn’t be THAT dumb, could they? No, they are desperate to be whole as opposed to only about beating Trump with anyone, including a Trump in disguise or worse. They cannot face themselves, a tragic waste of life they must maintain with lies and childishness.
The United States of Genocide is engaged in full spectrum genocide for the purpose of full spectrum dominance over a fully dead planet. This seems to prove that we are ruled by a death cult, and that most people are willing to go along with it.
"... we are ruled by a death cult, and that most people are willing to go along with it." - I don't think people believe there can be such cult. They'll call it "conspiracy theory", exactly what the cultists want, and continue supporting the cultists unwittingly.
John Perkins described his training to become an Economic Hit Man with his one time handler Claudine Martin. He chuckled when he first heard it from her, and she told him that's exactly why they use the term - it sounds so ridiculous no one would take it seriously. Subsequently they always used EHM, never spelling it out.
The manipulators know exactly what they're doing. The dupes will always outnumber doubters and questioners (smeared as "conspiracy theorists") and ensure the status quo.
Aren’t you a Trump supporter? I know the religious right is on board with him, so I assume the Russian Bot is.
well, if they end up in a nuclear war, they will be dead people dominating a dead planet. What a brilliant strategy.
They will be dead sooner or later. Might as well take everybody else with them. That's what death cult means.
People are so naive and can't believe what kind of shit takes place. Watch yesterday's Kim Iversen about Karlyn Borysenko infiltrating some socialist cult. How they teach and celebrate the actual process of abortion with some weird worship.
Here's a cut to the spot: https://rumble.com/v5bqjqk-abortion-activists-go-wild-at-the-dnc-abortion-pills-and-free-vasectomies-o.html?start=3686
My biatch, muted me? Little pansy, how’s my tutu? Culo juco
Mute you? In dumb and dumber you'd be a distant third. To burn your "Crumpled Foreskin" account, to reveal your this master account - one must be truly dumb. Or in your parlance - since you're not into brevity thing - un culero grandioso.
Go uncrumple what's left of that jerky.
You’re so cagado, I relish abusing little bullies.
Culero you’re back hijueputa! Trying to imitate your Master, pizonisima!
The Mohel is alive and well my bitch!
Come on - you're mohelet, chica. How much HSV did you pass on with your filthy piehole? Una culera grandiosa 🤣
Keep it up - shitlibs exposing themselves in this forum is very apropos, like holding a mirror to themselves. Your performance is very helpful.
You’re pathetic.
Stephen strong post. I believe that religions are death cults too. Why? He dies for your sins. Apparently it was impossible for God to get nice, so he had to slaughter his son to pull off the deal. Once born you bow, yield, and kneel, begging him not to send you to Lucifer, again when you DIE. Then finally when you die you may or may not be rewarded, nobody really knows. . Look no disrespect to religion but if the stakes are that high we deserve better than that from the creator.
That was truly impressive ground you just covered in a couple sentences!
So what does anyone propose to do about it?
We have to fight back. There isn’t much choice. The things that need done shouldn’t be said on a social media platform.
Waaaaaaa!!! Genocide fenocide blah blah blah! You guys are so full of shit. Like you actually care about anything going on in the world. You rail about it on places like Substack so you feel good about yourselves while you suck on $12 lattes. Go ride your fucking skateboard or something.
Fuck you, baby murdering Nazi.
Like I said, you don’t give a shit about what’s happening. You just like coming on to the internet and pretending you’re part of something. Mostly because you’re tired of fucking your mom in her basement, and you’re looking for some excitement to add to that otherwise shit dull life you live. Now go wipe that shredded ass of yours and stop shoving baseball bats up your ass. And quit pretending like you give a shit about any of this. Because you don’t.
Every accusation is a confession from your type. I know yall love sticking things up peoples asses, fucking sick POS.
So chilling terrifying and totally depressing
Nearly 11 months now and it’s not stopping
Not only is it not stopping. They are looking for more war anywhere they can find it.
It's like a game to these people at the DNC convention, and to the Trumpsters as well, and to the rest of the blood-thirsty Neocons. After all, it's not their sons and daughters that will end up dead in a war thousands of miles away, based on deceit and lies. It's not their mother and grandmother being buried under cement blocks by Israeli (made in America) 2,000 pound bombs.
But who knows, maybe these lunatics really will end up getting us all killed in a nuclear exchange. They treat nuclear weapons like a game as well. It's all a game to these people. They've made the world and our lives into a game of mass death. They seem to think that's all life is suppose to be about.
And in those 11 months Caitlin hasn't touched LIHOP even once.
She hasn't given it a thumbs up nor down nor even acknowledged that it exists.
Kinda like Ronald Reagan and AIDS.
The outrage from Israelis, giving permission to commit Genocide, was all manufactured by their own government. They are treacherous and duplicitous and betray their own people.
The following is not my argument for LIHOP, though you should be wise to it.
It shows how Netanyahu and Israel treats it's own.
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Netanyahu is positioning himself for "plausible deniability" with respect to responsibility for October 7th. A problematic strategy, as he has to take care not to make himself look like a disinterested, irresponsible fumbler, while treating Israeli families like gullible suckers.
From September 11th was born the 9/11 Families, an organization of families that suffered the loss of loved ones and seek the truth beyond the official narrative.
Similarly, October 7th has given birth to more than one group of families. There are those that had
family members at the Rave Party, for example, and another group that had daughters who were IDF border watchers - the "Spotters".
The Spotters Families have been ignored by the government for nine months.
"
The families went on to tell Netanyahu about how hurt they are because the government has ignored them. "I've been sitting at home for nine months," said one person there. "No one has come to us – no one for the government, or from the Knesset. Nobody has come to ask forgiveness, to say, 'We're thinking of you, we're aware of your existence.'"
Another person added: "Not one person can come see us at home? For nine months, not one person can come and knock on the door and say: 'We erred, we're sorry'? Where's the respect?
"
Votes had been taken in the Knesset to form a commission of inquiry but the measure has been defeated more than once.
Netanyahu's position is that an inquiry at this time would be disruptive to the war effort
The pressure is on so Netanyahu took measure and concluded that he needed to address the Spotter Families.
"
"I want to apologize to you, because I didn't know that no one came to see you," Netanyahu replied. "More than 1,300 or 1,400 souls were murdered or fell in battle, I didn't know that no one visited, I don't know why. We'll look into this too.
"
He pretended to not know what everyone else in Israel knew, the spotters were asked to serve near Gaza unarmed.
"
Netanyahu told the soldiers' families that he only found out right now that they were posted on the Gaza border without being armed: "I just asked Roman [Roman Gofman – the prime minister's military secretary]: 'Were there weapons? No weapons?,' now, just an hour and a half ago, and he said, 'No.' I said: 'How can that be?'" One of the participants responded: "You mean to tell me that you didn't know they weren't armed? That's a big problem in itself."
"
Then Netanyahu throws a pie in the face of the Spotters Families.
The families related how their daughters, the spotters, were constantly telling them (and their chain of command)
of an approaching invasion. Netanyahu was 'shocked, I tell you, shocked'.
Though stunned Netanyahu said he had discovered the problem himself. He said he didn't get the information from a briefing from his generals or the intelligence division. He got it from a conversation with his son.
Netanyahu - the spotter warnings and observations were not being entered into a database for the intell div to read.
(No one at the intelligence division noticed there was a dearth of data from the spotters?)
Netanyahu couldn't be sure his son was correct but he knew for a fact that the problem was being corrected.
How could he know it was being corrected when he didn't know for sure it was a problem in the first place?
"
"All of this information, I'm stunned by what I'm hearing. I didn't know they told you these things," the prime minister said. "All of this material was supposed to have reached someplace that operates the systems, and it didn't happen." Netanyahu claimed to have discovered this information in a conversation with his son Avner.
"The amazing things that I discovered, it was because my son was in combat intelligence – He says to me: 'Dad, this golden material, this pure gold from the spotters … I don't know if it's accurate, but you have to check it out. It's not going into a database.'" To which one of the participants reacted: "Then what are the girls doing there? What did you do when he told you that?" And Netanyahu replied: "We're dealing with it now, it didn't happen beforehand."
"
There will be no IDF general nor intelligence officer to contradict Netanyahu as they weren't sourced.
Netanyahu can later dispatch his explanation with a wave of the hand when the time comes, if necessary, "my son's information was inaccurate".
After Netanyahu made it clear how much he didn't know he responded to their demands for an inquiry
by telling them no.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-17/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-surprised-to-hear-what-happened-at-israeli-army-base-on-october-7/00000190-bfd0-d2f8-abdb-bff421df0000
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archive: https://archive.ph/dXZv3
Netanyahu attempted to tred the fine line of giving himself distance from the failures of Oct 7th
and not appearing to be irresponsible and neglectful. After failing misreably he denied the Spotter Families
what they wanted most, a commission of inquiry over Oct 7th (intentional failures or infinite incompetence - whichever).
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Stand back for a second to let it sink in more.
The Spotters had been warning everyone, their chain of command and their own families, for weeks and months that an invasion
was imminent. According to (trustworthy) Netanyahu, due to a clerical error the information was not reaching the Intelligence Division.
The Spotter Familes were asked to accept that their daughters died because, for some unknown reason, they were posted at the
Gaza border without weapons AND their service was an act of futility, none of the Spotter information was reaching the
Intelligence Division.
On top of that, Netanyahu, the Prime Minister, is telling the families that he was out of the loop on all of it, is **still** out of the loop and wants no official inquiry.
He has no explanation for why they were killed like unarmed lambs to the slaughter. Tells them that their service was an act of futility because all their dire warnings and observations pointing at an imminent invasion never reached the Intelligence Division due to a clerical error. Even his outrageous explanation, "their
observations weren't being entered into a database for the Intelligence Division" is not based on meetings with his generals or intelligence sector, it is based on what he claims was "a conversation with his son".
The son even saying that he is unsure about his information.
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It has been shown that most of the dead on Oct 7th were from the Israeli’s shooting their own, along with no headless babies, and no raping of women. It was a lie so they could go on a bloodthirsty killing spree. I think she has talked about that when she said every accusation is a confession, if I’m not mistaken.
Republicans are pigs, Democrats the lipstick.
Please, don't insult pigs. Republicans are the worst kind of humans.
Hence: Vote Blue No Matter Who™
Do you think it’s clever putting the copyright and trademark symbol after everything you say. Your shtick is old buddy.
"Republicans are the worst kind of humans."
Well - it's actually a pretty close contest with another group that I could name, but won't.
CJ>>"Progressive Americans often say “At least the Democrats can be pressured to end the killing in Gaza!” Bitch, it’s been more than ten months. How has your “pressure” worked so far?"
HaHaHa! Good one Caitlin!
"Bitch, it’s been more than ten months. How has your “pressure” worked so far?"
I feel like tattooing this statement on my arm so I don't have to repeat it over and over again to so-called "progressive Democrats" and other foolish people with no conscience. The Dems ain't never going to be "pressured" into stopping the genocide. AIPAC owns the duopoply lock, stock and barrel. They're a bunch of baby-killing puppets on strings. Ditto for Team Red MAGA.
We the People have got to shut them down before they shut down the entirety of the planet by simultaneously or sequentially using "a combination of nuclear and nonnuclear weapons.” Vote #JillStein2024
There is NO justification for what Israel is doing, excepted perhaps untreated psychopathy..As for the Ukrainian invasion of Kursk, it's already turning into a disaster, as the Russians roll forward in the Donbas and Ukraine's forces gets caught in a cauldron....Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of perverts, war criminals, and thieves....
It's getting worse now because Poland and Romania are putting NATO weapons on their borders.
U-tube. Judge is back
U-tube. Martin Armstrong in conversation with Nema,
Poland has always been inclined to commit suicide, but Romania is a newcomer...Fortunately, Russia needs more people, not more territory...
"cringey bubblegum pop imperialism festival" -- what a great phrase to describe the videos of the Dem elite warmongers and their sickeningly drugged-out adoring sheep that ran on the front page of the Times online all day. Unnerving that these people celebrate themselves.
Yes. It's just a circus costing millions of dollars!
"That the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is very complicated and difficult to understand." yeah, just like killing off millions of indigenous people in the Americas is really complicated. Definitely not a bunch of murderous, greedy mostly white power mongers trying to take control in either place.
"That the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has bad guys on both sides who are both equally bad".-----except one of the bad guys has a lot of other bad guys with weapons and ammunition at the ready to hand over to the bad guys who are presently committing genocide.
"That the west’s support for Israel has ever been about anything other than geostrategic dominance of a resource-rich region." Hey guys, we can make a lot of money over here
True, so true, Susan
Resource-rich, as follows.....
Where is it? Venezuela. #1, currently under threat by the USA for a government change. Sanctions applied as matter of normal US procedure: Then comes Saudi where the USA arms it to the teeth, tries very hard to maintain a friendly relationship, ignores any Saudi act of criminality;
Canada, birds of a feather with he USA and unlikely ever to change as the USA props up a government now losing its charm with the people;
Iran, getting ready for a US war….no reason in particular but it is the world’s fourth oil reserve country and very close geographically to Israel;
Iraq, the US is already stealing their oil every day, Illegally of course;
Kuwait, being observed very closely and they know it;
UAE, same as Saudi;
Libya. It was made a failed state by the USA using false pretences with Clinton’s famous lines…"we came, we saw, he died": and he did. Gaddafi, like Allende in Chile, a casualty to US hegemonic ambitions.
So it's clear. The US cannot ignore any Middle Eastern opportunity to buy or to conquer or to sanction or preferably to steal oil and gas. There as the duly appointed master of ceremonies is Netanyahu and his commercially obsessed brethren and they’ll kill anyone to achieve their objectives, knowing all the while that the "USA has their back”, as in the past, with the likes of Pinochet as well in Chile and so many others since WWII. If the USA needs you, your back gets carefully watched.....for their benefit.
But their need for oil has become a very obvious long term plan, so obvious to all.
Watch out, Venezuela., #1 in oil reserves. You are on the US death list.
Please don't neglect Syria....
Robert.
According to my research, Syria does not hold serious reserves
But thanks. I feel that I have made an error in that the USA is stealing Syrian oil every day and not oil from Iraq.
CJ>>"The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans will kill a million Palestinians and say they’re doing it so Jesus will come back, whereas Democrats will kill a million Palestinians while making noises with their mouths like “ceasefire” and “two-state solution”."
YES! Why don't more people (in this substack's comments section) and outside REALIZE that the Democrats and Republicans are more alike than different? They keep fighting against each other and shouting verbal abuses and accusations at each other INSTEAD of coming together to STOP THIS GENOCIDE and challenge US Empire Managers, the establishment, and the 1%. Don't they realize that they're being played like a fiddle and dancing to a jig for the entertainment and amusement of the power elite?
They (Israel) also championed the machine-gunning of the USS Liberty's deck. Never forget. They murdered American sailors and we looked the other way. Viva the men of the Liberty! That too was not mistaken identity. If you go to the Levant and the Israeli's kill you or your family, you will receive zero help from the State Department. Zero. RIP Rachel Corrie, Shireen Abu Akleh, and countless other Americans slaughtered by the Zionist reaper.
I have stated this everywhere I go! This is an act of war which makes every single Zionist Nazi politician AN ENEMY AGENT OF THE TERRORIST STATE OF ISRAEL! These are traitors committing TREASON and GENOCIDE!
This!
"Bitch, it’s been more than ten months. How has your “pressure” worked so far?"
I just saw a diary on Daily Kos saying that Trump will be much worse for Gaza than Biden has been. Israel just bombed another school killing children. If it happens during Trump how can it be any worse? Shitlibs are just as stupid as MAGA. Prove me wrong.
The only difference is that if Trump were president, the MSM and liberals would suddenly and passionately rediscover human rights.
Only to drop this sudden passion like a hot turd, once Team D reoccupies the White House.
Brunch is over bitches, get back out in the streets.
This election is a non-starter.
Both sides will question the results.........then what?
Why is it so hard to admit that this wasn't happening under Trump? There was conflict in Ukraine and ever-escalating conflict in the Middle East under Obama. There is conflict in Ukraine and ever-escalating conflict in the Middle East, now, under Biden or whoever is really in charge.
Under Trump, there was no conflict in Ukraine, and the Middle East was making real progress toward peace.
Are you really so incensed by Trump's stupid tweets that you'll vote for more war?
Believe or not, conservatives are the party of peace now, and that should not be so unbelievable. Conservatives usually lean more toward isolationism.
"conservatives are the party of peace now" I want whatever heavy shit you are smoking
Trump promises to end the wars, and his voters actually like that about him. Seems so obvious and clear cut. I'm on the drug known as "touching grass". I'm also on something called "not watching cable news" which is a very euphoric high, highly recommend.
Trump also twice attacked Syria, and Trump twice cucked out of leaving Syria.
Trump is weak, stupid and easily manipulated.
"Trump promises" oh boy, that is some kind of "touching grass" - you sound exactly like someone who watches cable news
Trump has said the exact opposite. You’re delusional and obviously don’t listen to what comes out of Trump’s mouth.
One of us must be like that, and it's not that hard to check.
Biden wants to immediately stop all aid to Israel," Trump said May 10 on Truth Social. "Any Jewish person who votes for Crooked Joe Biden should have his/her head examined!"
How mysterious. Where in that does Trump endorse killing more Palestinians? I'm actually really curious, do you think supporting Israel necessitates killing Palestinians? If that's the case, then you must think Palestinians are an existential threat to Israel.
"I want whatever heavy shit you are smoking"
I don't. It obviously clouds the judgment and leads you to do stupid stuff.
Good point, anything that strong would require a sitter, but I'm still game.
Check out some of Caitlin's other articles:
(1) https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/25-times-trump-has-been-dangerously-hawkish-on-russia-ada915b07f97
(2) Killing the Iran nuclear deal was one of Trump's biggest failures (https://responsiblestatecraft.org/iran-nuclear-deal/)
(3) https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/trump-has-murdered-over-40-000-venezuelans-with-sanctions-6eb3e7f0eb7f
(4) Trump Vetoes Resolution to End U.S. Support for Saudi War (Crimes) in Yemen (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-vetoes-resolution-to-end-u-s-support-for-war-in-yemen.html)
(5) Assange dragged from embassy “on the orders of the president” (https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/09/22/assa-s22.html)
(6) https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/full-scale-war-is-avoided-and-trump-goes-right-back-to-warmongering-e4169d69a8c0
And so many more...
Here's a paragraph from one of Caitlin's articles (https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/trump-is-bad-because-hes-similar) ->
"Trump ramped up cold war aggressions against Russia, helped set the US on track for war with China, killed tens of thousands of Venezuelans with starvation sanctions, vetoed attempts to save Yemen from U.S.-backed genocide, assassinated Iran's top military commander, worked to foment civil war in Iran using starvation sanctions and CIA ops with the stated goal of effecting regime change, occupied Syrian oil fields with the goal of preventing Syria’s reconstruction, launched repeated airstrikes against the Syrian government, greatly increased the number of troops in the Middle East and elsewhere, greatly increased the number of bombs dropped per day from the previous administration, killing record numbers of civilians, and reduced military accountability for those airstrikes. He also imprisoned Julian Assange by escalating the empire's war on journalism for exposing US war crimes."
I know for a fact that many of those things are true and that many of those things are false, but let’s assume it’s all true for a moment, here. Do you prefer the things the current administration has done to all of that? IMO, the current situation is much, much worse, and it would be insane to claim otherwise. We’re currently in an open proxy war with a nuclear super-power costing us hundreds of billions, and we’re also funding a genocide.
What's false? Care to provide any evidence to support your claim(s)?
>>"Do you prefer the things the current administration has done to all of that?"
No, of course I don't. But that's where you miss you point. It seems you are new to Caitlin Johnstone's Substack. Spend some time going through her previous articles - they explain the logic (and provide evidence) behind why BOTH Team R AND Team D are equally BAD (in slightly different ways). BOTH parties follow the agenda set by the US Foreign Policy establishment. It's only when you understand that, that you will realize how similar BOTH parties are when it comes to US Foreign Policy and US global hegemony.
"equally BAD"? That's really all you have to hang on to, at this point. We finally got you to agree the deep state uniparty are a bunch of war-mongering psychopaths, but now you cling to the cope that Trump is just as bad as them, anyway, so you don't have to admit you were wrong about that.
You agreed that the current situation is worse, like any sensible person would. So it isn't actually "equally BAD", is it?
(1) You did not provide any evidence to back up your claims of provided info being FALSE.
(2) Did you spend enough time researching and going through the evidence? (It seems not, since you replied 10 minutes after my comment).
(3) You seem to be suffering from some logic and critical thinking issues (per your last comment).
Do you understand how cause-and-effect work? How history works? How events build on each other? How when things are set in motion on a certain trajectory they tend to continue on that path unless something/someone changes things?
Here's a scenario that might help you understand. Let's hypothesize that Trump wins the election and becomes the President in 2025. What then? Are you so naive (or uninformed) to think that the Ukraine proxy war will end? Or the Gaza genocide will end? Or things will be better between the US and China? Or between the US and Iran? Or US and Venezuela? OR US and North Korea? Or a hundred other things?
I get the impression that you seem to be relatively new to geopolitics (as per your comments hinting at your understanding of how the world and great-power-politics work)
Also, why should I continue this discussion when you have made NO effort to do your homework on checking out the evidence and/or CJ's articles that give answers to exactly what you are asking? You don't seem to be engaging in good faith.
I already won the argument without debunking any of your claims. You are just hypothesizing about how Trump, may have, in an alternate timeline, done worse.
We don't have to speculate about what Trump would do, or how his actions may have potentially led to this. Harris promises to continue funding both conflicts, Trump promises to end both conflicts. Believe him or not, why take guaranteed war over a chance at peace?
AND ---> You keep LIKING "your OWN comments" ??? Who does that? You must suffer from a serious inferiority-complex to do something like that...
Trump advertises how much of a puppet he is to the highest bidder. You must not listen to anything Trump says.
TDS=Trump Deity Syndrome.
“No conflict in Ukraine”???
Ever heard of the Donbas, dumbass???
“The Middle East was making real progress towards peace”???
Are you completely full of shit, or just entirely ignorant???
No matter.
Either is entirely repugnant.
Damn, you really sound angry there, I don't know how it could be any more obvious that you are the crazy ones.
Donbas was under Obama. Trump set up peace talks called the Abraham accords where Israel met with other middle eastern nations.
Trump bombed Syria one time, and it was the only thing the media ever praised him for.
If you had mentioned that instead, you wouldn't look like such a fool right now.
I know it's hard to admit you've been fooled. I'm sorry the propaganda got you so bad.
“YOU are the crazy ONE(S).”
Dumb fuck, “you” is singular, “one’s” is plural.
Trump bombed Syria, once???
That cretinous cocksucker doesn’t have the ability to do anything but bloviate.
Abraham Accords are Ashke-Nazi Jews idea of provocation not peace.
Donbas happened under Old-bomber, but stopped in 2016 when the orange asshole got s-elected???
Bullshit birdbrain.
But, I don’t expect you to have any awareness or answers about the world around you.
Your vision has to be terribly impaired with Trump’s cock in your mouth, and your head up his ass. (Neat trick by the way)
Angry???
You fuckin’ right I am.
If you aren’t you’ve gotta be in a coma, or a genuflector for genocide.
Or, you are engaged in that neat trick that I referenced earlier.
Mike, this guy (Brenton Webb) is nutso. He keeps liking HIS OWN comments...
Seems like he must/might be related to the Rotton_Bot.
I realize what I just invited with this reply.
Another round of trolling from the Rushing_Incel.
Oh well.
Se ya round the substacks C.C.
I BLOCKED him. I don't understand the psychology behind liking one's own comments - signifies some kind of internal sickness to me...
I get it, dude, you voted for Biden. I would also be very upset if I voted for a genocide. But, you didn't know any better, right?
Voted for Biden???
Not in a million years you assuming ass.
Obama???
Never ever.
You ain’t very clever.
Hillary??
That’s hilarious.
I haven’t wasted one precious second of my life wasting it at the polling places where people pick pukes.
If I had my druthers, I’d take all of these fools, and others, and instead of sticking them with Warp Speed Jew-jabs, I’d distribute an unhealthy dose of hollow points.
Be my guest.
Go ahead and vote, goat.
Pardon my mid characterization.
I should have said “sheep”.
Go back to sleep.
The uniparty prefers you that way.
I could spare a few boxes of HP's for this noble cause!
trump's handlers changed the policy from non lethal aid to lethal aid and did nothing to enforce minsk. the abraham accords along with embassy and golan contributed bigly to the desperate jail break of october 7.
You’re an idiot. I’m guessing you’re being paid to lie
There certainly was conflict in Ukraine and the "progress towards peace" consisted of buying off Gulfie tyrants to make nice with Israel.
And I have not yet mentioned, nor have I forgotten, Trump’s murder of Suleimani, nor his gleeful participation in the genocide in Yemen.
Are you really that clueless!? Trump sent weapons to Ukraine. Trump illegally moved the embassy to Jerusalem. Trump as a WAR CRIME! KILLED AN IRANIAN GENERAL! Trump has development contracts for stolen Palestinian land! Trump states that the Terrorist State of Israel "DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH CONTROL OVER THE USA"! Now go back under your rock.
Man, I'm getting so many lame ad hominem attacks here. All I'm seeing in you is cope and impotent rage. There were no new wars under Trump. He obviously didn't achieve that with kindness and cuddles. Go cry in your pillow, instead, you're not making your side look good.
“Your side”???
You are exactly “one side” of a donkey/horsie’s behind.
You’re best side is face down.
Your number is sixty nine, with dumb, “grab em” Donald.
Watch yer back/ass-hole/anus.
Your vulgarity only makes your ad hominem attacks more lame. Go cry elsewhere.
Cry???
Are you fuckin’ stoopid, dood???
I’m havin’ fun talkin’ to you.
Vulgarity???
That exactly describes your deity’s life.
I appreciate the comity/comedy.
Go see some good stand up comedy!!!
Ain’t no joke!!!
Sure, I don't mind if you want to save face. But, I would recommend using different tactics in the future. All that coping and seething just makes you look stupid and emotional.
fishy, the forum is well aware of your fragility and dependence on pacifiers. Do not skip doses, refill prescriptions on a timely basis. Do not double up either as that's likely the cause of your frequent flyings off the handle.
Now, pull yourself up - the handle's right up there.
Here's a little more you should be concerned about the fact Vance is owned by Palantir who are all in on Digital ID and "FedNow" which is total control of the people! The guy who owns PayPal you know the one that stole Julian Assange's money!
Vance comes across as a crazy psycho - maybe even worse than Trump (if that's possible). Not only is he a misogynist, he's in bed with BIG TECH - which I consider to be a huge threat (not just to the US, but the whole globe). These Big Tech megalomaniacs and their political puppets need to be put on a tight leash and monitored (instead of the other way around that is the current reality).
I pray for no conflict. The US government looking after US citizens would be the number 1 priority.
Oh my god…. It’s like you just crawled out from under a rock. Do you actually listen to anything that’s said, or is your tunnel vision so narrow that you only hear the voice in your head that tells you Trump is Mother Theresa?
Oh dear 🙄
But that is just how our 'democracy' works. It picks enemies and then says they are the bad cop who are opposing the good Western cop The white hats with a sheriff star on their uniform with the bad black hat cops being outlaws posing as cops. But trust our media, it will always tell you which is which
Why on Earth would we want to stop Israel from demolishing Gaza and continuing on to a regional war(s) to maintain, or gain hegemony in the ME? We are doing the same damn thing with Russia, China, and North Korea. In our case, it is to maintain U.S. unipolarity Empire. They are not apprised of the fact: Nobody wins a nuclear war. So, our stupid government trundles onward toward oblivion.
And democrats pretend to be daft enough to believe the empty platitudes of their leaders so they can pretend they have a stance or discernible principle. They couldn’t be THAT dumb, could they? No, they are desperate to be whole as opposed to only about beating Trump with anyone, including a Trump in disguise or worse. They cannot face themselves, a tragic waste of life they must maintain with lies and childishness.
GOPS & DEMS - 2 fangs of the same vampire.
Voting has as much efficacy in providing material change for people as kicking wind.
REVOLT FFS!