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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

Ukraine is probably the biggest immoral money making sinkhole the world has ever seen. Hundreds of thousands of Ukraine soldiers, many very young and inexperienced in war, have been pressed into serving in the military, and summarily killed. This is foreseen and done with the objective of discrediting Russia, and making money in the process: that is the only option, because most of those in decision making roles know well that Russia cannot stop, and cannot lose, and had no other option. The hatred of Russia constitutes in some, a mental illness based on delusion. A recent and infamous example is Canada's public lauding of a former SS Waffen officer in parliament by ignoramuses who didn't even know that Russia fought as an ally of the West against Hitler in WW II.

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Matthew Hodges's avatar

The Canadian parliament debacle was truly a ‘through the looking glass’ moment. The hatred of Russia runs deep, despite the world’s huge debt to them for the defeat of Nazism.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

It's worth noting that western Canada has many of Ukrainian ancestry.

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Mary M's avatar

Interesting they picked western Canada. If one was a Nazi fleeing payback from WW2 and seeking anonymity, one might head for the farthest reaches away that one could find, rather than the more populous eastern Canada. It's worth noting however that tons of Canadians fought in the Royal Canadian armed forces and RCAF to defend England from Hitler. Some Americans joined up to fight in the RCAF prior to Dec. 1941 because the US wasn't in the war yet.

It's a shame that we have to be honoring Nazis and arming them these days and that Canada has a shameful recent history under Trudeau of fascistic activities besides that such as yanking funds from (demonetizing) truckers over free speech. The demonetization and censorship regimes of Joseph Biden and Trudeau, and the warmongers of Europe make me sick since I voted for him not understanding I was not voting for someone who put a priority in keeping the peace, which is my top priority. Cooperation with major powers to make a better world is another priority I have that my country/the US and Canada shamefully fall behind in, preferring to play sickening country club games excluding and punishing people just like with our racist heritage.

And supporting a nation with political/military like the Azovs' Andriy Biletsky, whom the Times quoted as having said "in 2010 that his country’s mission was to 'lead the white races of the world in a final crusade . . . against Semite-led Untermenschen,' or inferior races." And get a load of what the blond spokesperson said the other day describing Russian genetics in racist terms in explaining why they should be wiped out.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

Trudeau looks/sounds like a zombie much of the time, and it's easy to believe he is being controlled -someone made him an offer he can't refuse. Or, could be the drugs?

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victoria ann zabaras's avatar

Hitler looked at how US treats African Americans for Nazi inspiration. US full of fascist sentiment. Quit lying

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Mary M's avatar

I would never claim the US did not treat African Americans badly and the fact this nation has a racist past has nothing to do with what I said. Hitler likely was thrilled with any racism he saw anywhere. Hitler however didn't take Nazi inspiration from watching our African American athletes like Jesse Owens beating his own in the 1936 Olympics. It sounds like you are trying to say there is no racism in the Azov battalion, okey doke lol. What a paragon of democratic values, the Azov battalion and the ubermensch views of Andriy Biletsky.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

Being of Ukrainian ancestry is no kind of indictment! Ukraine fought, and very bravely, alongside Russia against Nazism in WWII. Many suffered, were tortured and died because of the Waffen SS. Let's keep that straight.

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Ray Joseph Cormier's avatar

That's why Norman Finklestein said, 'when Zelensky gave a fist pump to 98 year old Hunka in the Canadian Parliament for fighting Russia, he had to know only the NAZIS were fighting Russia, not Ukrainians in general, during WWII.'

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

He certainly should have known that, as well as who he was giving a fist pump to right in public.

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victoria ann zabaras's avatar

US broke Minsk accord. Not Tussian fault.US fault . Russian speaking minorities were being slaughtered. Don't lie

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russian_bot's avatar

"despite the ... debt ... for the defeat" - this is what people are perennially confused about. Not "despite" but "because" of it.

Marshall Zhukov is attributed with saying the following after the war ended re Europe - "We liberated them and they will never forgive us for that."

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martin's avatar

russia was fighting fascists. other european ruling elites were just egging the germans on to do their dirty work. i've heard rumours that the english tried to build a coalition at the end of the war, including the remnants of the defeated german army, to push back and defeat those 'bolsheviks' once and for all. ww2 was probably mostly a war against working class rule (democracy).

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russian_bot's avatar

It's not rumors. It's the "Operation Unthinkable" as concocted by that mighty thinker Churchill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

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Mary M's avatar

Yes it bothers me every time I see people trashing Russia because my family members fought in World War II, and I very well know that Russia and China were our allies as was Vietnam! My own father and his brothers served in World War II. But I have friends older than I that are oblivious enough to forget history. But even the World War II era generations were big on the "domino theory" as soon as WW2 ended and they started on Korea and Vietnam, competitively obsessing about colonizing and western influence.

We could easily have a cooperative relationship with Russia and China if we wanted to but we keep making it impossible for some reason and kicking up conflicts. Is this just to sell weapons? Maybe the billions of dollars involved in weapon sales are too alluring for the oligarchs to put human lives and peace first. It has been said that the only product we have to sell any more is military security which means the mass killing industry.

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Longtrail's avatar

I figured out that the USA picked up where the German Nazis left off. The USA, Canada and Britain imported hundreds of Nazis and adopted their mindset.

Here in the USA we have Neocon Nazis, Neolib Nazis, Femi-Nazis and Zio-Nazis. They control the government and media and foreign policy. They run the Anglo-Zionist Empire of Lies and Hate.

To clarify, I refer to Zionist Neocons as Zio-Nazis.

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GenEarly's avatar

While what you post is true, the Bolsheviks imported Nazi scientists as well after WW II. Tyranny is Tyranny whether Communist or Corporist Facist both "sides" Funded by NWO Banksters. Mao and Lenin-Stalin were not humanitarians, unless used for fertilizer.

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Longtrail's avatar

Agree. Israel also imported Otto Skorzeny.

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Longtrail's avatar

Russophobia is a manufactured mental disorder. The purpose of our military is not to defend us but for profit to enrich the Oligarchs who own the lion's share of corporate shares of the weapons manufacturers. These manufacturers design weapons to line pockets instead of winning.

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notBob's avatar

All very true, the sad part is that it has always been true. War is and has always been fought for the king and their court. "War is a Racket" spells it out very clearly.

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Longtrail's avatar

Here is some good news. Since mid August Russia has put up a commercial urging surrender on the Telegram Channel. I've seen it and it's very graphic but very good. At the same time they set up a radio frequency with the callsign "Volga". It opens a line of commication and gives instructions on how to surrender. In the past two months 10,000 Ukrainians have surrendered. I've seen many videos on Telegram of the surrenders.

That's 10,000 lives saved.

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notBob's avatar

I was reading about that yesterday, apparently they a have also used the old school tactic of dropping printed leaflets for the same puprose. Perhaps there is some sanity still left in the world ?

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Longtrail's avatar

Yeah, sanity. It gives me hope.

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Longtrail's avatar

I read Smedley Butler's thesis too.

However, in the case of Ukro-Nazistan, Russia is truly engaging in a Special Military Operation to Demilitarize and De-Nazify the place. The Russians are restraining themselves, fighting with one arm tied behind the back. They're operating defensively and the Ukro-Nazi fanatics are beating their heads bloody against the defences. I have no pity for them.

I do have pity for the Ukrainians dragged into Zelenski's Nazi war.

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notBob's avatar

I completely agree, Russia is defending itself not staging wars for profit. They are the target of the war for profit neocon crowd.

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Longtrail's avatar

Neocons have a Nazi mindset.

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Yo mismo soy el regalo's avatar

They knew. They all knew.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Yes, but the decisionmakers in Washington aren't writing fat checks from their personal accounts and the offspring of their puppets in Kiev crowd the hottest nightspots in Europe, so the war will only go on.

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victoria ann zabaras's avatar

Russia does not hate. US puppet government of Ukraine bombed Russian speaking minorities for 8 long years, slaughtering civilians including women and children. Not Russian fault.uS Crapitalist Overlords fault making profit off war murders, human misery making.

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Bob - Enough's avatar

Maybe a bit more than that as well. Ukraine has been asset stripped from it's wonderful land to it's strong industries. The wealth transfer upwards towards the globalist parasites is almost complete.

But whilst this is being done; people forget that the people's religions are being destructed, the incredibly fast bringing forward and implementation for most of the globalist agenda including FULL individual digitisation and and ...

Just one more thing; again globalist blah blah... did you know that the EU and UK will allow GM crops (they call them something slightly different now); maybe gene editing or the same c.r-ap like that ... into our food and animal feeds ???

Gee must be another conspiracy hey ? (SARCASM)... look at the date of this;

https://lefteast.org/ukraine-agrees-to-monsanto-land-grab-for-17-billion-imf-loan/

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Michael's avatar

It’s hard for me to imagine that all of this is to keep a handful of oligarchs (and their families) wealthy. When politicians say wars are necessary to ‘preserve our way of life’, Perhaps it’s true and all of us in the west benefit to some degree in this bankrupt Ponzi scheme we call our global financial system. So we’re complicit, from the laptop liberal to the flag saluting football head. US $ hegemony props us all up (some more than others) & any crack in this is a threat to ‘our way of life’. Our system is inherently corrupt & immoral by any human standards and it’s not sustainable. Eventually, Ponzi schemes crash. The global south has had it with us and is forming its own trading relationship. This is a major crack. AI will disrupt this whole system even more so. In 2 years, corporations will not need many white collar jobs due to AI capabilities. It’s all unwinding before our eyes & it seems like we’re not smart enough to manage the change without destroying each other. Maybe we should ask AI to figure that out for us?

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voza0db's avatar

Just another NATO ( https://postimg.cc/qNRJGw3s ) SUCCESS!

And we for sure enjoy it.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

NATO is a criminal organization that has nothing to do with defending the North Atlantic region, and must be disbanded for the good of the world and mankind itself.

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voza0db's avatar

We'll never disband it! We've awesome JOBS with good pays... And the M.I.C. also provides EXTRA income for generals and other terrorists that work in the...

https://postimg.cc/JsQmC7CT

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

You're probably right. Nothing more permanent than guaranteed benefits/profits for elites.

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ChazLB's avatar

We are gaining ground,,send more guns and money.

We are loosing ground, send more guns and money.

-signed MSM

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voza0db's avatar

It's working like a Charm...

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Scipio's avatar

What makes the conduct of western leaders so despicable is that they have known since late 2022 that defeat was inevitable for Ukraine. By then, the imbeciles knew that their 'bet the house' sanctions strategy had failed in spectacular fashion, and that their western weapons and military doctrine were exposed as hopeless.

In fact, had not Boris Johnson undermined the agreed ceasefire between Kiev and Moscow in April 2022, none of the slaughter would have been necessary.

Rather than end this war, they intentionally allowed what many now argue is 500,000 Ukrainian men to die, in a war Ukraine never had a chance of winning - a war that Washington DC could have stopped at any time with one phone call.

If that's not a war crime or a crime against humanity, God only knows what is.

These western 'leaders' have also intentionally lied and misrepresented the true situation to global audiences, in order to justify their despicable positions. One of their canards was that for Russia, this was an imperial war about 'territory', first within Ukraine and then on to Europe.

A total lie. In fact, the Russians were transparent from the very start that their objectives were very limited and political in nature - to 'liberate' (in their eyes) the 4 provinces in eastern Ukraine (the Donbass), to 'demilitarise' Ukraine's military and to 'denazify' Ukraine.

For the Russians, it has never been an imperial war based on the conquest of territory as framed by the West. Believe me, if the Russian plan had been about conquest and territory, this war would have ended a long time ago with Ukraine destroyed, a smoking ruin, and Russian troops at the Polish border.

Instead, inspired by Clausewitz (a major influence on Russian political thinking) the Russians chose classic attrition warfare to achieve their limited political objectives.

They have used Svechin's doctrine (a balance between attrition and annihilation, or defense and offense, shifting as a result of changing circumstances), along a line of incredible fortifications in the Donbass built according to Col General Romanchuk's thinking, see 'Prospects for Improving the Efficiency of Army Defensive Operations' (April 2023).

This has been extremely successful. Ukraine has experienced 70-80,000 KIA in 4 months. As a result, Ukraine's military is on the verge of (if not already) annihilated.

Western escalation and hubris may (likely has) required Moscow to re-think its objectives. To his great credit, Putin has shown incredible restraint in the face of non-stop provocation by DC, London and NATO. That may change, however.

The current thinking seems to be that the Russians may decide to advance to the western side of the Dnieper, taking Kharkov, Kiev and the landbridge to Transnistria in the south, encompassing Odessa and leaving what remains of western Ukraine a landlocked, broken rump 'state'. If that happens, the leaders of the West as well as corrupt Zelensky & his thugs, are 100% responsible.

Right now, the Russians are sitting pretty with time on their side, and at least 400,000 fresh troops ready to go. Just my 10 cents but I suspect they'd prefer to let Kiev implode before acting, but if necessary they'll take any military actions required to secure their objectives.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Sanctions, blockades, and embargoes have never overthrown a government. They never will. https://science1arts2and3politics.substack.com/p/why-sanctions-never-bring-regime

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GenEarly's avatar

Not only Kiev imploding, but the entire Corrupt Stinking Feral DC Coup gubmint must GO!!! imo.

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Jack Tiscione's avatar

Zama...they don't even know where it was

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Finn's avatar

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'The sooner this monstrous power structure can be brought to its knees, the better it will be for everyone.''

Good point this is the only discussion that should be doing the rounds.

With the exception of a certain well known Middle Eastern apartheid state - All Western governments have become US vassal states after the second world war while nations that are not US vassal states will be on Neocons bucket list to be passed down to the next generation Straussians.

A massive global strike will have an effect but we have to be willing to last for as long as it takes to reach our goal which ought to include prosecuting warcriminals warmongers such as Nuland - and no immunity for politicians.

This is no small task - we'll need the uniformed on our side like they did during the 1917 Russian Revolution when soldiers changed sides.

In the end the change that is desired by peace loving people won't arrive by remaining seated behind a computer screen - we need to call the bluff of these fascist bastards who've taken over our supposedly democratic institutions and push back like never before.

Free Jullian Assange.

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George Watts's avatar

Yep. 100%

Passive objection to this shitfuckery is exactly why 'they' continue unabated.

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Elaine's avatar

This war is for the benefit of the Elite, so that they can kill off the population of Ukraine and then move in to establlish a new country exclusively for themselves.

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Finn's avatar

Nailed it !!!

Zelensky and NATO plan to transform post-war Ukraine into ‘a big Israel’ [Grayzone 2022]

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/09/17/zelensky-nato-ukraine-big-israel/

''The NATO-backed Atlantic Council has proposed apartheid Israel as a blueprint for a hyper-militarized Ukraine. The paper was authored by Obama’s former ambassador to Tel Aviv, now an Israeli spy-tech consultant.

Just forty days after Russia’s military campaign began inside Ukraine, Ukrainian President Vlodymyr Zelensky told reporters that in the future, his country would be like “a big Israel. The following day, one of Israel’s top promoters in the Democratic Party published an op-ed in NATO’s official think tank exploring how that could be executed.

Here's more, it goes back even further....

Israel’s Secret Plan for a «Second Israel» in Ukraine [SCF 2014]

https://strategic-culture.org/news/2014/12/03/israel-secret-plan-for-second-israel-in-ukraine/

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Once you get Israelis involved in this "Second Israel" exercise, and who would dare stop them with 400 nuclear warheads ready to go, then you can dismiss any possibility of a solution, ever. After all, they have been killing Palestinians for 70 years, all with the enthusiastically supplied weaponry and financial assistance of the US government through its embedded Fifth Columnists citizens who call themselves Americans, the Neocon brigades located in every corridor in that city and 85% of all the corruptly elected Senators and Members in the Houses of Charades, where the citizens will be soon facing a trial between Feeble Joe Biden and his likely challenger, Donald Trump, both of whom sporting a record of true Israeli subservience. And how.

So for the most realistic indication of an Israeli satellite see 'United States of America.'

330 million dancing to Netanyahu and his 9 million murdering occupiers of Palestine.

'We are at your service, Netanyahu. Just whistle', says Joe.

It does , however, force one to wonder how the mix of the substantial number of Nazis in Ukraine and Zelensky's Israeli backers can find common ground for long enough to be an organised force for evil. It's somewhat like a chalk and cheese situation, if what we have been told by the then (almost) truthful media about The Third Reich in the 1940's is true.

Where to from here? Downhill, fast.

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Finn's avatar

A depopulated Ukraine would provide the Neoziocons with the excuse to needlessly prolong the conflict by sending their own in which is when the proverbial shit will definitely hit the fan.

Once one dig's deep into the 1930's and the second world war many things will be uncovered that are majorly embarrassing.

How anti Semitic were the Zionist holding high level talks with the Nazi's way back in 1932 the same year when Wall Street bailed out a bankrupt Nazi party!

There are number of events that could easily have prevented the rise of the Nazi and the subsequent second world war.

The Israeli justification for taking some other peoples land has always been biblical - that ''God'' gave them Palestine - and God not the history of others is their witness - John Pilger.

Cue Bono? whom have become the main beneficiary of it all?

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Jack Tiscione's avatar

you hit upon something very true...There ARE secreted nuc weapons in dark basements all over American cities....even to the point of Tritium being replaced as it decays

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Jack Tiscione's avatar

That is true Finn....Blackrock, Vanguard Monsanto are already in Western Ukraine already busy dividing the corpse of Ukrane while Ukraine's children's soldier corpses are warm and decaying in their fields

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Finn's avatar

I got the impression that Blackrock played a leading role in drawing up the EU association agreement.

Truth is that the Russian Federation is on record for making a far more generous offer to Ukraine.

Yanukovych rejected the deal with the EU !

Ukraine and the conditionalities with that IMF loan demanded that Ukraine open up it's farmland to the likes of Monsanto, [now owned by Bayer] therefore it's important to understand that Russia offered Ukraine a far better deal financially.

''President Yanukovych rejected a European Union plan that would have imposed harsh austerity on the already impoverished Ukraine. He accepted a more generous $15 billion loan from Russia, which also has propped up Ukraine’s economy with discounted natural gas. Yanukovych’s decision sparked anti-Russian street protests in Kiev, located in the country’s western and more pro-European region.'' From Consortium] What Neocons want from the Ukraine crisis http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/02/what-neocons-want-from-ukraine-crisis/

Those conditionalities also demanded that East Ukraine be opened up for shale gas exploration -- Eastern Ukraine is sitting on some very rich deposits indeed.

Pre the overthrow of Ukraine's democratically elected government, Ukrainian agriculture was free from GMO's....one of the conditions of it's economic package was that it open up it's agriculture, more in the link.

Here's more BFP Exclusive- “The EU and IMF Rape of Ukraine Agriculture''.

The stakes for Ukraine were far more that an apparent couple of billion dollars difference, however. Here the details of the IMF loan “conditionalities” are vital to understand why Yanukovich rightly said no. When allegedly NATO-trained snipers opened fire on Maidan Square peaceful protesters as well as state police, killing many, the ensuing panic led to the flight of Yanukovich and installation of the exact government the US State Department Assistant Secretary for Eastern Europe, Victoria “Fuck the EU” Nuland told her Kiev US Ambassador she wanted. The key Prime Minister post, as she demanded, went to a former finance minister friendly to the US and the IMF, Arseny Yatsenyuk, whom she affectionately referred to as “Yats.” http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/08/20/bfp-exclusive-the-eu-and-imf-rape-of-ukraine-agriculture/

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Patrick Powers's avatar

It's worth noting that in 2014 Ukrainian police were unarmed.

My Ukrainian contact says many have unrealistic expectations of the EU.

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Feral Finster's avatar

That last sentence is accurate. Ukrainians see the West as The Magical Land Where Institutions Basically Work.

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Elisabeth's avatar

Not to forget the MONEY (although it will run out sooner or later and Europe will be bankrupt) - they all see the 'golden doves' fly ...

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Patrick Powers's avatar

You've got to have a dream.

If you don't have a dream

How you gonna have a dream come true?

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Paula's avatar

Kinda like Maui.

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Elaine's avatar

Yes, "Kinda like Maui". Very much like Maui with the deliberate attempted killing of the Maui people.

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Finn's avatar

One of the hypocrisies of it all is that the second world war was supposedly about fighting the Nazi's while Russia and China were on our side - There's not much mention about Wall Street financing Hitler]

How things have changed.\ [except for the war profiteers and the creditors]

Now former Nazi's are being given standing ovations in Canadian Parliament while the Russians and the Chinese who've abandoned Communism embraced Capitalism and became very much better at Capitalism have become the enemy.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

The Chinese didn't realize their role was fifty cents an hour until Kingdom Come.

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Finn's avatar

Do you know anything about the connection between Rockefeller and Mao?

Even though China has embraced Capitalism - It's China's financial elite who control the Communist party.

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ChazLB's avatar

The military industrial complex is the most successful protection racket ever devised by man.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Get back to me in a thousand years, when they have equalled the longevity of the Roman Empire. And recall that Rome was merely a city. That was all.

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Mike's avatar

We need to determine what the meaning of "is" is.

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voza0db's avatar

We are the ones protecting it...

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Jo Waller's avatar

I would normally correct you to say 'devised by humans'; but I'm gonna give you that one.

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voza0db's avatar

If it was devised in the Present then for sure we had to put a "woman" word in there... Today women have already proven that they are as unbalanced as men when it comes to WAR & RACKETEERING!

Just look at Hillary Clinton, Victoria Nuland, Madeleine Albright, Michelle Obama, all the women CEO/CFO/workers from the MIC.

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The only reason this is dragging on is that NATO has lost another war and cannot admit it. Russia could bring the force to bear and finish it off taking the rest of Ukraine but it has achieved its original objective and does not want to escalate.

The West is so foolish to think they can weaken Russia with impunity.

Wars are like sanctions--- they cut both ways and both sides pay. The dumb asses in Washington never considers how Pyrrhic wars can be and the moral and social liabilities they assume.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

At risk of seeming to be callous about this diabolical situation, I believe that Russia is not at all interested in annexing or occupying any more territory.

https://science1arts2and3politics.substack.com/p/why-russia-doesnt-want-to-conquer

In short, it would be a big economic loser. Russia can't afford it. They CAN afford to annex those areas because the residents were thrilled to be annexed.

So, what does Russia want? They want a neutral Ukraine. A heavily armed and hostile Ukraine is a dire threat to Russia's national security. It is much too close to Russia's main oil supply and the vital naval base and arms industries in Crimean. https://science1arts2and3politics.substack.com/p/why-ukraine-is-vital-to-russias-security. If NATO troops and missiles could base themselves there then Russia no longer has national security. They could be defeated in a war. They would have to rely on the nuclear deterrent. This is not acceptable to them.

Russia's path to a neutral Ukraine is to destroy the Ukrainian armed forces. Ukraine's best plan is to go into a defensive stance. But strategically this makes no sense for Ukraine. They would be better off negotiating a peace. It's worth mentioning that all of Ukraine's plans have made no sense. They never had a chance of retaking Crimea. Zero. Impossible. I find it amazing that they made this the centerpiece of national policy. Such people are basically irrational.

How did this peculiar situation come about, where a big chunk of the nation was governed against its will? It's because Ukraine was artificially created by the USSR with a Russian majority. In this way Russia could dominate a democratic Ukraine. Predictably the Ukrainians resented this. https://science1arts2and3politics.substack.com/p/why-in-1954-crimea-became-part-of. They could have given up the Russian areas and had a true Ukrainian state but they wanted the wealth of the Russian Ukrainians. Hence the mad plan to force said Russians to become Ukrainians.

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Feral Finster's avatar

The problem is that the West and Ukraine will disregard the terms of any ceasefire or peace deal.

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Jack Tiscione's avatar

Russia has accomplished just about everything it set out to do......It can literally almost just about just sit back and watch the shit show of total western implosion

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Patrick Powers's avatar

This is why the West is provoking them with strikes on Sevastopol, a nuclear air base, and the Kremlin. They hope an enraged Russia will go on the offensive. Ideally Putin would be overthrown to be replaced by a Stalin type who would scare the bejesus out of the EU, who would then embrace vassalage.

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Feral Finster's avatar

The EU are already enthusiastic slaves.

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Jack Tiscione's avatar

The Russian are already thinking 3 moves ahead of them...compare guys the rusks have to Joe, blinken Jake, noodle man, and the mastermind block organizer Barack

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Patrick Powers's avatar

American politicians are primarily salesmen. To get either elected or appointed you don't have to know anything except how to sell. The goal of a salesman is to MAKE THE SALE, today, right now. The future can take care of itself.

That wouldn't be so bad except military men tell us that today's generals are the same. Their goal is to make the sale, which in this case means persuading congress to increase the military budget. Aside from that, tell congress and the prez what they want to hear and everything be cool. https://youtu.be/vWdQHyJGXzU

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Media, same. Salesmen (and women). If you can sell Russiagate it seems to me you can sell just about anything.

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ikester8's avatar

Hence the invasion. This is an existential struggle for Russia. The US and the UK will not stop until Russia is partitioned and controlled by the West. Fortunately, Russia is well aware and the rest of the world is waking up to this and is fighting back against the Hegemony. Or routing around it, which amounts to the same thing.

Detente, nonintervention, neutrality, call it what you want, should be the goal for all international relations.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

In the meantime we have the arms industry financing political campaigns where their latest favorite, Nimarata Randhawa, aka Nikki Haley, is embracing Cold War MAD (mutual assured destruction) as a desirable outcome, not a deterrence. Bloodlust not satiated with the meatgrinder battlefield for inches. Desirous of a global nuclear holocaust with body counts in the tens, hundreds of millions. They're saving their best champagne and crystal for that feat! Randhawa ideation that she's the Kamsa, an asura, a danava, all too happy to play the role she's been assigned.

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jamenta's avatar

You would think life ought to be the absolutely most precious thing we all have, not something you want to just give away for some oligarch's rich man's war. But I guess some people think giving away their lives is some how winning. But what if life itself (your life) is a one off (one in a trillion) affair, and once you're gone, you're gone forever? What did you gain by giving it all away in some mudhole trench in some nowhere field?

I just don't get it.

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Jack Tiscione's avatar

we are all just cattle and dead meat to be removed in the eyes the Mohel....The real question is...how much of a tip does he expect

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Cara MariAnna's avatar

It's important to remember the reason for this war because it keeps the focus on who is responsible: the United States. This war is not and has never been about "those teeny, tiny little blips on the map." The reason for the invasion has always been to de-Nazify and de-militarize Ukraine. It has never been about territory. And the horror is that the only way for Russia to accomplish its dual aims is to kill hundreds of thousands of men. That's the only way to de-militarize or de-Nazify another country when the U.S. continues to train and arm it and refuses to allow peace negotiations. Losing that focus over the inches lost or gained doesn't strike me as helpful.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Ain't it rich how Team D is for peace and Team R is against big government and government spending?

But only sometimes.

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jamenta's avatar

If you're looking for an excellent model of US government today - buy a ticket to a pro-wrestling match.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Like government, in professional wrestling, there are "rules", but there also are scriptwriters. The rules may say that a wrestler cannot run out of the locker room and crown some other wrestler with a chair while he is working a shoot with a third wrestler, but if that's what the scriptwriters need to happen, then that's what will happen.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

This is called kayfabe.

The lingua franca of the game is kayfabe—outrageous overstatement that is believed neither by the actors who recite it or by the audience that pretends to be moved by it. Big-time politics in this country is mostly professional wrestling, and most of us who pay attention to it are complicit.

— Philip Martin, The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 14 May 2017

Is that really true?

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

War should not be allowed. Such a crime against humanity, cluster bombs and all.

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DomeLord's avatar

The WEF globalists are having wargasm after wargasm with this. Their enthusiastic members cling to a Malthusian agenda for major depopulation and the Ukraine war delivers in spades. Those fascists care nothing for human lives and only look forward to a privatised & thinly populated planet comprised of parasites lording it as masters of the universe and a brand new hopeless slave caste in Feudalism 2.0.

Know your enemy.

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Callimachus's avatar

"The sooner this monstrous power structure can be brought to its knees, the better it will be for everyone." So well said! This has all the horrors of World War I along with intimations of World War III.

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Finn's avatar

Notice what else do they have in common.....?

Are there any Multigenerational aspects? [Like the war profiteers from the same families involved]

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