Of course the boys and girls of the IDF don't want to fight Israel's wars because, you know, we might be hurt...or maybe even DIE. No, no, we will not do that. Instead, we insist that the Americans fight our wars and die for us. That is the essence of the character of the filthy little genocidal, terrorist, thieving, lying state of Israel. And, so far, Israel is able to get away with this scam due to the total corruption of the US (my Country) electoral/political system. The overwhelming majority of the members of our Congress are political whores who have sold out to the Israel lobby in exchange for the bribe money they receive for their loyal support of Israel. In short, all members of the US Congress are traitors to our Country and its people. Please show them the total disrespect which they so richly deserve. Oh, of course, the same is true with regard to the Blowhard in Chief, who is owned by the Israel lobby and also subject to blackmail with the Epstein files which he continues to refuse to release.
What is really ironic Jim is that given Israel gets around $18 billion in aid each year from the US, they are using your tax dollars to subvert the political machine in their favour. Sort of 'Let us pay you to screw us over big time'.
There is a battle going on and we are gaining momentum to stop the genocide machine that is funded by AIPAC and US arms to Israel. Recently 103 Democrats voted to stop arming Israel (97 voted for)....a rising tide with a cost, loss of AIPAC funding for many and for some death threats. "103 House Democrats voted for an amendment to cut U.S. military aid to Israel.At least 48 of the Democrats who supported ending the aid have not received or solicited AIPAC support since 2022.15 AIPAC-endorsed House Democrats seeking reelection had their online donation links stripped by the organization following that vote to cut aid." If we wish to stop the genocide, we have to support those representing our views. If we pretend they don't exist or call them fakes we are re-enforcing the changing status quo.
It is also very instructive that in Senate testimony yesterday, not one of the democrat senators grilling Hegseth said that the War On Iran was illegal and needs to stop. Senator Ossoff was very good in his questioning of the Secretary of War, as was Senator Peters. Sen. Ossoff is also about $950,000 in the tank according to AIPAC Tracker.
Rather, their complaint was that the war wasn't being won. With democrats and liberals, it's always griping about process, not about goals. Their beef is never with what was done. It’s always that it wasn’t done the “right” way.
It smells like war, it looks like war….congress even mentioned the word war. And congress still can’t do their well paid job—impeach, convict and remove a lot of criminals in the executive branch—at a minimum executive branch started a “war” of choice without following the constitution to getting permission from congress. I would have loved to see them squirm if exec branch actually asked. I can’t believe they are even listening to hegnog ask for billions more.
Remember the democrats who heroically voted to end the war in Yemen, only to flip their vote, once that war became Biden's war? And then there's Obama. Remember him? Remember how democrats and liberals were raving about the forever wars, only to turn into neocons, once those wars became Obama's wars? Remember that, by chance?
Since we're asking questions and you're frantically sheepdogging for Team D, I've got one more for you, Dale: given a choice between a Massie (AIPAC hates him) and a goodthink democrat, whom would you vote for?
It's a simple, honest question. I keep asking, because the fact that you keep avoiding an answer tells us all we need to know about your real loyalties and motives.
AIPAC is currently BUYING the Michigan Senate Dem Primary. Rep.Haley Stevens a DemocRAT gave a speech saying "Israel comes to me in My DREAMMMSSS!!! I will do everything I can to help Israel!" Her constituents in Michigan? Screw you, Haley is also PRO DATA CENTER - the ZIONIST SURVEILLANCE STATE infestation that the Technofascist EPSTEIN Pedoes want to use to enslave Americans.
Abdul El-Sayed, Her opponent, was up 70% b4 AIPAC stepped in, ran some ads with Obama & Haley hugging, and BOOMERS started switching their votes like the drooling, Most SELFISH Generation they are. Now, Abdul, who is also pro Medicare 4 All, Anti Genocide/Wars, and Pro MONEY OUT OF POLITICS... is losing to the AIPAC PIG. Thanx Boomer Brats! Enjoy the Technofascist marking you for deletion when you can't pay your Nursing Home rent.
Boomers are the MOST SELFISH & ARROGANT of all the Generations, at least in the USA they are. Old GenZ (which I am one) are bad too, but their parents are far worse. Now, I know there are Boomers who are against all this war, etc. But sorry, the majority still believe that in the USA, you can work your way thru college and have your own single apartment. They also believe AI SLOPP Ads and still think the Repubs & Dems are 2 separate parties.
Nothing changes until the BOOMERS voting block starts to shrink. Most Boomers are too cemented in the belief that they are the Most Special Princess Ponies cuz of the Civil Rights era that they ABANDONED for the Greed is Good 80s shit. Unfortunately, by the time this group shrinks enough, the election rigging with no paper trail, electronic voting machines (hackable by a 12yo), unlimited money in politics okayed by the US Supreme Court, does any of this matter?
The Western Govt - ALL of them - are run by the Rothschilds-Epstein PEDOE Class. GENOCIDAL PEDOES & WORSE ZIONISTS who want MOST of us deleted. Greater Israel Project and the Western Slave Soldiers & Breeders... that is the future for all Western Govts.
Until there is REAL opposition, all the revolutionary- Change & Hope talk is just that... TALK.
Which is EXACTLY what the PEDOE & WORSE Billionaires want... a lot of chatter so the AI DATA CENTERS can pick out the first "Lefists Terrorists" for deletion, to make all the BOOMERS feel safe from the meanie "Terrorists who hate us for Our Freedom."
I am a boomer and I and all of my friends are definitely not what you describe. We hate Bush Obama Bidfen and trump. We are pro-Palestine, Pro-Lebanon and pro peace everywhere. But lots of money can persuade a lot of idiots. Ban AIPAC. Not one more penny for Zionism.
I'm an old GenX, and that is heartening to hear! But here in the Midwest, the Majority of Boomers are PRO Endless Wars for Israel and think Their Team (Blue or Red) are the only "Good Guys," when there is only ONE Party in D.C. and we all know it... the AIPAC/CUFI Party.
My point, that many seem to be ignoring, is that the MAJORITY of Boomers are the same way, as are old GenX (that's me, 1965), and therefore Boomers & GenX who are still living in fantasyland need to wake up to the system that THEY helped create & approved of... mostly because of decades of MSM Pro Mizz Izzy propaganda and "Greed is Good" domestic policy.
While not ALL Boomers are blind to what is going on, the MAJORITY still are, which is just the honest truth.
Where does most of the pro War & Pro Mizz Izzy EPSTEIN support come from? Evangelicals and BOOMERS... not Millennials, not GenZ... BOOMERS are the prime supporter of the Z10 Agenda. That is a FACT.
I wasn't speaking to Boomers or GenZ who have realized just how corrupt Both Teams of the US Govt are. It is therefore OUR responsibility to speak with our peers and open there eyes to the endless lies.
Those focusing on my criticism of Boomers being the prime supporters of Mizz Izzy EPSTEIN, are missing the point entirely.
If you're a Boomer who is Anti-War, Anti-PEDOE Z10 Billionaires, and against unlimited Money in Politics - YES - We need MORE of people like you!!!
Go talk to the Boomers who STILL think Israel is the USA's "Greatest Ally!!!"
I'm already with you!!!
This is why people say the things they do about Boomers in general.
Because it is NOT ALLOWED to criticize this Generation in anyway.
People can say whatever they want about GenX, Millennials, GenZ, and Young people in general. Why is that? Boomers are NOT the Greatest Generation... there is just a lot of them.... and many of them are whiners.
I am too old to be a boomer but your rant only serves to divide us more when we can only win if we unite. AIPAC should be banned as a foreign agent, but this can only happen if we unite to win power. AIPAC propaganda works but we only make things worse by writing off an entire generation with insults. Your expressing your hatred for an entire generation may feel good t you but it hurts the cause.
Chetzmon4. I hate to say it but I have to agree with you. Being a boomer and having seen every war since Vietnam instigated by U.S. / Israeli interests I am baffled by how so many Boomers can support this crap. Sadly, my children's generation is not much better. I would rather have a conversation with a 10 - 25 year old than a 35 to 50 year old. Their awareness is refreshing. Most of my boomer friends think as I do but I know we are in the minority. With age should come wisdom but it appears that many of the youth are more aware. It sickens me.
It's very sad. I have a favorite old Hippy uncle & aunt who back in 2016, stopped talking to me because I ended up voting Green and not for War Pig $hillary.
I finally broke thru with this war with Iran crap, after almost 10 years of ghosting me.
All we can do is never stop spreading the Truth.✌️
Gee, I dunno, I think your opinion of boomers is not totally accurate and also very unhelpful. Maybe I belong to a different class of boomers but everyone I know is opposed to the genocide. I’ve been remarking about a lack of young people attending pro-Palestine protests (although for many, it could be career-ending so I get it). Every meeting of anti-genocide activists I’ve attended is probably at least 70% elders. So sure, criticize them if you like (and apparently even fervently wish for our deaths?), but that kind of binary approach certainly doesn’t advance the cause. I could just write off all young people as selfish and ignorant, without critical thinking skills, but that would be unfair and inaccurate. Do you think your parents are representative of their entire generation? Anyway, I hope someday you see the value that ALL of us bring to the effort to end this horror.
But of course, all Boomers are exactly alike. Boomers are a monolith, they all think and act in unison. You've seen one you've seen 'em all, as Reagan said of Redwood trees! LOLOLOL
"Recent polling from mid-July shows the race is a statistical tie or a tossup among definitive voters. While El-Sayed holds strong organic support, he has not led by a 70% margin in major state surveys. AIPAC Financial Footprint: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and its affiliated super PAC, the United Democracy Project (UDP), have poured nearly $30 million into the race to back Stevens and run attack ads against El-Sayed
.The Spending Gap: Outside spending from pro-Israel groups and other super PACs has allowed Stevens' side to outspend El-Sayed's campaign by an estimated 12-to-1 margin on television and digital media.
The 70% figure frequently mentioned in current news cycles regarding AIPAC does not refer to candidate polling. Instead, it refers to the organization's declining institutional reach: only one-third of newly elected Democratic House members accepted AIPAC's offer for a free trip to Israel, a sharp decline from 70 percent who accepted the trip in 2023."
"AIPAC’s campaign spending is increasingly backfiring, particularly in Democratic primaries, where its massive super PAC interventions and use of "dark money" have sparked significant public backlash. While the group has successfully unseated some progressive critics, its involvement has polarized voters, driven some politicians to reject its money, and inadvertently made unconditional support for Israel a toxic issue."
This is the dumb trick the Dem Party has been using on their followers for years now.
When something they pretend to oppose "must pass" (like the NDAA), they ensure there are just enough Dem votes for it to pass, even if it's just by one vote.
Then they tell all other Dems: feel free to vote NO so our followers think we really oppose it, and we almost sunk it!
If these 6 hadn't voted YES, Jeffries would have easily had 6 other House Dems to vote YES.
I’m still a bit suspicious of those who voted to cut funding g€n0c|d€. The dems perform regularly and will vote or write bills that look like a win for dems—knowing they won’t pass. The other reason is that 224 and a couple more bills/acts merge u$ military/intelligence and national security. We will never know how much $$$ goes to izrahell once those pass. Nor will congress. And remember pentagon can’t pass an audit!
The IOF are cowards, just like most bullies. They're only good at dragging children to their torture prisons and that usually takes four or five of them - one on one the child truly makes it a battle for the heavily armed soldier of the most immoral army to ever exist.
China may be marginally better - for now. America used to be great, things change. Best if we used a currency that the people ourselves designed and built. That's easy but the willingness to get things started is not there yet.
Never ceases to amaze me how Israelis keep bringing forth yet more evidence proving what total assholes they are, and that their nation state is truly what they have made of it: the asshole of the world.
When you believe you are the chosen people and the rest of the world is beneath you and in service of you, you don't even bother to hide the hubris and arrogance. And, until recently, they didn't need to.
I think that should be rewritten because they, the israelis have already stated that their god looks up at them, and I don't think that is all their supremacy BS, I think they are admitting that it is satan that has chosen them to help him rule the earth. Even their own bible rebukes them fof breaking all God's laws and has banned them from ever having a homeland until the whole world is at peace and at one, there's no way that can happen while israel exists, and typical of satan to have them use the name israel while showing no shame at all.
God turned his/her back on them 2000 years ago and they refuse to believe it. The temple was flattened in 70CE just to give them a physical sign. Ignorance is not bliss - its madness.
Yes, I believe this as well. There are Jews in Israel who believe the country should never have been created! Most Zionist Billionaires are Atheists, Luciferians or Satanists. They believe THEY are gods themselves... and for their own selfish goals.
In Israel, it is the YOUNG people who are the most arrogant & vicious in their hardcore Chosen Ones beliefs. They have no shame and sound insane, the way they BRAG about their cruelty.
Technofascist are Zionists & Satanists. Peter Thiel did a 3 part talk about how he is NOT an Antichrist, AI is really Our Savior and that humans are evil and we need AI to make us "behave"... wait, what?
It worked for the other master race for quite a while. I am optimistic that history will repeat itself and then maybe we can have some sanity in this world.
And that needs to be removed from the ME - and all land, resources, and wealth needs to be returned to Palestine to enable them to rebuild Palestine - particularly the Gaza Strip - for Gazans, by Gazans.
If you want change, you cannot claim it cannot happen. Five years ago, no members of Congress refused AIPAC funding; ". Conversely, over 100 Democratic lawmakers explicitly rejected AIPAC's funding by voting in favor of a measure to end military aid to Israel." Join the movement for change. 77% of Democratic voters find Israel guilty of genocide and so, as it should be, more and more Democratic leaders and candidates are opposing arming Israel, which is also a refusal to take AIPAC money. If you can't lend a hand, get out of the way: the times they are a changin.
Vote in the primary, desperately hope it isn't rigged, and wait a generation or two.
That's all I got, sorry.
It's a grotesque situation, worse than anything since Time magazine put Hitler on the cover in 1939, as Man of the Year. In Nineteen mutherfucking Thirty fucking Nine.
America is fully on board with this shit, because America is gonna do this shit. Genocide, ethnic cleansing, population control, zero tolerance assembly policy, resettlement, mandatory service in the shock police and murder battalions.
This will all come to pass, all over the world, everywhere, by the end of the century.
Probably sooner than end of century. Two bills(may pass) being voted on this week . Will merge militarily and information agencies US and Israel. Then America is no more.
Look at the MICHIGAN state Dem Primary - AIPAC IS BUYING MICHIGAN. Abdul El-Sayed was up by 70% till AIPAC stepped in for Haley Stevens and ran ads showing her with Obama.
Then Drooling, SELFISH BOOMERS started flipping for Haley, cuz they think Obama is a Rockstar, and not the Z10 Pedoe Protecting WAR PIG he is!
. Conversely, over 100 Democratic lawmakers explicitly rejected AIPAC's funding by voting in favor of a measure to end military aid to Israel. Five years ago, no one refused Aipac money or voted to disarm Israel. The change is happening; join it or get out of the way.
Hey, you put an anti-Israel candidate in front of me, I'll vote and volunteer.
But it's still a relative rarity in US politics.
Hopefully that will change, when the Zionist/MAGA cabal rinses the establishment Dems this fall, and the opposition realizes they can never win again without serious change.
"The Palestinians have made it clear that they are willing to die for Palestine, while the Israelis have made it clear that they are unwilling to die for Israel. "
That pretty much ends the argument for me. Those who love their homeland and people enough to die for them deserve to keep their homeland. So, go back to Europe, the US and wherever else you came from, Israeli settlers. Get out of the homes and off the lands of the true natives of Palestine. You don't deserve to be there and no one will miss you when you leave.
Settlers are thieving brutal psychopathic thugs who have no attachment to the land. They are opportunists who enjoy the protection of the IDF as they commit their crimes. It's astonishing that they can do this with no personal repercussions but we see that they do.
ISRAELI ZIONISM IS THE WORSE THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE
While it was the Nazi holocaust that turned the world toward sympathy for Judaism and the creation of Israel, it is the ongoing Zionist genocide of the Palestinians and the “greater Israel project” that is turning the world against Judaism. The world will not forget the brutality and evil that targets children for murder and starvation as it tortures and rapes men, women and children in prisons. All to steal Palestinian land. Nor can Israelis’ deny the sheer joy the IDF exhibits while committing these crimes against humanity. It makes the Nazi look like humanitarians. The false concept of Israel has turned Zionist Judaism into a pseudo-religious cult of depravity and Satan worshiping evil. The real religion of Judaism will suffer and pay for the consequences.
I challenge your claim about the world turning to sympathy for European Jews after the Holocaust. The correct statement is WHITE people became sympathetic for other white people because white people weren't used to seeing WHITE people emaciated, brutalized, and genocided. That's something white people have historically reserved for non-whites by the millions. Burn them, emaciate them, steal them from their families, lynch them, rape them, dispossess them, murder their children. Where was the sympathy over those centuries? Whites were never moved to sympathy for non-whites because Europe hasn't been civilized for at least 2000 years.
If you study the growth of Zionism within the world Jewish community, you'll find that around Herzl's time, Zionists were in a small minority. But with the 1914 Balfour Declaration, the Arab/Jew conflicts after about 1920, and especially the 1930's, Zionism began to attract more Jews. It was the Holocaust and then the creation of Israel in 1948 that witnessed a huge conversion to Zionism. The next huge transfer was a result of the 1967 and 1973 Arab/Jew wars, which Israel won, and that success gave many Jews the confidence that Israel is a realistic means to save Jews from extermination by the Goyim.
Since the 1970's the overwhelming vast majority of Jews have held Israel in their hearts, looking upon it as the only way to guarantee survival of Judaism. On Oct 6, 2023, virtually all Jews were Zionists, either by self admission or in spirit. Since Oct 7, however, there has been a slight pulling away from Zionism because it's harsh realities are too much for these Jews to bear - particularly the younger Jews. But I consider this last movement only a blip, and it's still true that the overwhelming vast majority of Jews are Zionists, even though a good fraction of them (30% in the USA) believe that Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.
The main point here is that if you criticize Jewish Zionists, you are criticizing the overwhelming majority of world Jewry.
What that would tell me, if I were a jew is that I've chosen the wrong side. How can they hold "in their hearts" a state that tortures and rapes children, and even in America they rape their own with a rabbi chanting in some ritualistic ceremony, and often more than one male raping the same child - oh, and don't forget their huge caveat the child must have tirned three years of age! How do they live with themselves?
There is no single percentage for "all Jews" because identification varies drastically by geography and how the question is asked. **In Israel, approximately 90%** of Jews identify as Zionists. In contrast, recent surveys of **American Jews show only 37%** explicitly identify with the term "Zionist," despite **88%** supporting Israel's right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state.
What percentage of American Jews support the IDF conduct of the war?
As of late 2025 and early 2026, support for the IDF's specific conduct has dropped significantly compared to the war's outset:
31% Support: A September 2025 survey by the University of California, Berkeley, and the University of Rochester found that only 31% of American Jews support Israel’s military operation in Gaza, while 58% oppose it.
War Crimes Perception: An October 2025 Washington Post poll revealed that 61% of American Jews believe Israel has committed war crimes in Gaza, and approximately 40% believe Israel is guilty of genocide.
We also have to be careful to distinguish between Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform Judaism.
Disapproval is not uniform across all groups:
* **Age:** Younger Jews (under 35) are significantly more critical. In 2024, only **52%** of Jews under 35 found the conduct acceptable, compared to **68%** of those over 50. By 2025, opposition among young adults hardened further.
* **Denomination:** While Orthodox Jews remain more supportive, disapproval has spread across Reform, Conservative, and unaffiliated Jews. The 2025 Berkeley survey noted that **57-58%** of Reform and unaffiliated Jews opposed the campaign, but reservations were also expressed by **38%** of Orthodox and Conservative respondents.
In Addition: Global Zionist
Based on current demographic data and polling from 2025–2026, approximately 65% to 70% of Jews globally identify as Zionists.
This global figure is a weighted average driven by the fact that nearly half of the world's Jewish population lives in Israel, where identification is near-universal, while the Diaspora (particularly in the U.S.) shows significantly lower self-identification.
wilrodx, the details don't matter. The bottom line is whether Jews believe Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish State. If they believe that, they are Zionists, because that's the best definition of the word, which is the one that the early Jewish Zionist founders of Israel had in mind.
Israel never had any right to exist. It became a member of the UN under false pretenses. Practically speaking, it's best that we accept now that unfortunately Israel does exist, although conceivably, it can be kicked out of the UN. Jews that believe Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state are only believing in their own bigotry, because Israel is made up of land stolen from the Palestinians. That's the fundamental issue and the best definition of Zionism is determined from that fact.
When you complicate the issue by breaking down different categories, you are falling for the trap set for the Goyim who then have difficulty seeing the plain, simple truth, that the overwhelming vast majority of Jews believe that it was morally correct to steal the land and murder its inhabitants. It seems that Goyim love to be deceived.
I agree 100% that Israel should not exist and has never had any right to Palestine. The Zionist behavior justifies that also. I am in favor of Iran targeting water desalination plants, ports and power grids, even stolen settler habitation areas to get the Israelis' to leave. It's the only way to get them out and get justice for Palestinians. I do believe that there is a large segment of real Jews that would support de-legitimizing Israel. There also needs to be a movement to de-legitimize "Christian Zionism".
It seems we're on the same page. The Israel regime must be ended. I don't know how, and there are more than one ways it could happen. But second to WWI and WWII, the birth of Israel was the most profound debacle in the 20th Century, and as many people predicted, both Jew and non-Jew, it could only fester and grow, until it reaches ungodly levels involving most all western civilization. We are close to a climax, and at this stage, all the lies and deceit from Jewish political leaders both inside and outside Israel are being ignored by the people of the world. That deceit is what allowed Israel to grow to its current status, but by now, the world is woke to the truth.
I suppose there could be a role for the UN in ending this regime. I read that there's a legal instrument that would allow nations to group and form a military force. That could work, though a wild card there is the USA. And the upcoming elections in the USA could determine much of that outcome.
The current status is not sustainable, and because of what Israel has done in recent years, Judaism will never live it down. It's all entered into Jewish history, up there with the Holocaust, and from now on, with any public mention of the Holocaust, many people will be thinking, "What about Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, etc."
There is a way to end the Israel project. Besides hitting desalination plants, ports and electric power facilities. The armed settler militia terrorist should be hit where they live.
There are only two refineries in Israel and one of them is severely damaged as is the Haifa port. I am puzzled why this has not been done. It would have stopped the genocide a long time ago. Israel seems to have some hidden invulnerability.
Why do the Zionist seem to have endless sums of money to carry out their treachery? I believe it has to do with the world's oldest banks are mostly run by Jews that have an iron grip on the world's economy besides the disproportionate amount of billionaires being sympathetic to the Zionist cause as a global political agenda. They actually intend to dominate the world and they are well on their way to fulfilling that. That is the key to WWIII and nuclear destruction.
Don't count on elections especially where the most important Zionist stronghold is...USA, The uni-party plays a pretty transparent game and fallacy of there being any real opposition to the Zionist global agenda.
Talmudic Chabad “ Jew “ kushner and his side kick real estate grab. And trump is oh so “proud “ of his psychopath daughter Kushner wife. They tried it in Albania and got a boot up the backside....
Israel's "heroic" IDF bombed an enemy in a literal cage who had NO air defense to rubble, section by section to where a rat couldn't hide. Then went in with tanks so they could have the sport of snipers shooting infants out of mother's arms in safety, or a tank riddling a vehicle with a 10 year old in it. All justified by calling those they murdered "animals" and they "had the right to defend themselves".
The CIA wasted money running MK ULTRA to program humans into assassin's. All they needed to do was copy Zionism. Or did Israel use MK ULTRA?
The only thing remotely comparable to this depraved slaughter was dropping nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But the survivors at Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't sniped for enjoyment like the IDF. And the US supplied the bombs for Gaza and Japan.
The IDF is the most depraved, cowardly army that has ever existed in the history of warfare. Including the Nazis. And the US government shares the majority of the blood stains in Gaza.
In the last week 57 Palestinians during the "cease fire" have been murdered. Zero IDF. Deaths during a ceasefire are designated murder regardless of citizens or military status. And the world watches in silence.
There are lots of Palestinians who want to “Genocide” the Israeli Jews. They just can’t do it. Hezbollah’s position is that all Jews who came to Israel after 1948 must leave. Not a lot of cooler heads there on either side.
My bad. I should update it to say that a resistance group created in opposition to an invasion of their country, seeking to repel an occupation, might have better things to do, and more to occupy itself with, than seeking to commit a "genocide." I don't see a source for the quote, so am somewhat doubtful that it exists, or, if so, might itvbe from a less than trustworthy source, from someone not in a position to follow through on a bad idea, or even a poor translation? I would look to actions over words, deeds over purported wishes.
You might consider updating yourself on just what Hamas's position actually is, as of the 2017 revised charter. "6. The Palestinian people are one people, made up of all Palestinians, inside and outside of Palestine, irrespective of their religion, culture or political affiliation." https://israelpalestinenews.org/hamass-2017-charter-full-text/
You might also note that a people who were uprooted from their homes by what was told to them explicitly was a Jewish state, might have taken that information and used it in formulating their resistance, armed and otherwise, without having any interest in harming Jews in general, harming Jews unconnected with their displacement, or committing a genocide against anyone.
The Lebanese resistance is the only fighting force protecting Lebanon from a complete Isrhelllii takeover and invasion, you dumb twat. Long live the resistance, fighting the idf cowards and thrill killers. Stop murdering civilians idf cowards and thugs.
"One day, [when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable], everyone will have always been against this."
"If you keep feeding the public the lie that they need to choose between supporting genocide and hating Jews, people are going pick hate Jews, because they don’t want to support genocide."
I hate to admit it, but this tendency (to generalize from hating Israel to hating Jews) certainly applies to me. I have to keep reminding myself about the many, many honorable Jews out their who despise the genocidal apartheid Israeli state and its supporters as much as I do. Mearsheimer, Mate (father and son), Finkelstein, spring to mind but there are many, many others. But it is frighteningly easy to forget, and to generalize...
Agreed, but this should be the defining issue for Jews throughout the world right now. This injustice is being done, in the words of the Likud Party, in their name, after all. And yet, not a single synagogue in my town has condemned this atrocity.
Declassified UK exposed yesterday the invitation to Israeli Arms Manufacturers to exhibit their killing wares for sale at the Farnborough Airshow. These stands were monitored and guarded by Israeli security, prohibiting any reporters from viewing or examining the drones killing Palestinians. The UK government is up to its neck in the genocide, not only the weapons but the surveillance helping to target gatherings and humanitarian aid. Like shooting fish in a barrel. But as the outgoing PM Starmer declared, denying Palestinians water, food and electricity was 'Israel's right to defend itself'! The world is ruled by psychopaths.
It is widely accepted that complicit suppliers of weapons components and money and diplomatic cover (namely the colonies' fatherlands in USA, Deutschland, and UK, and other colonies like my Australia) are year after year violating the spirit of the Gen0c1de convention, and maybe even the letter of that law (despite lack of popular support for this war crime):
Meanwhile the worst gen0c1de abettor (whose Gen0c1de Joe once said that if Israel didn't exist, they would have to invent one to protect their imperial interests) USA is annexing Australia via Force Posture Agreement, AUKUS, and many salami tactics takeovers of our land, with deep financial and legislative support from the current ALP government:
And our Federal and State ALP governments are legislating for the police abuse and criminalization of peaceful gen0c1de protestors, and building an expensive security establishment to protect US invaders and gen0c1de loving locals from any legitimate, and international law compliant dissent:
It is time for voters to wake up and join in with groups peacefully asserting their human right to political expression free of government authoritarianism. A few hours a week could tip the balance.
Has any Israeli official ever apologized for lying to a senile Biden about beheaded babies he then babbled on about after being fed that pablum on a state visit?
Of course the boys and girls of the IDF don't want to fight Israel's wars because, you know, we might be hurt...or maybe even DIE. No, no, we will not do that. Instead, we insist that the Americans fight our wars and die for us. That is the essence of the character of the filthy little genocidal, terrorist, thieving, lying state of Israel. And, so far, Israel is able to get away with this scam due to the total corruption of the US (my Country) electoral/political system. The overwhelming majority of the members of our Congress are political whores who have sold out to the Israel lobby in exchange for the bribe money they receive for their loyal support of Israel. In short, all members of the US Congress are traitors to our Country and its people. Please show them the total disrespect which they so richly deserve. Oh, of course, the same is true with regard to the Blowhard in Chief, who is owned by the Israel lobby and also subject to blackmail with the Epstein files which he continues to refuse to release.
What is really ironic Jim is that given Israel gets around $18 billion in aid each year from the US, they are using your tax dollars to subvert the political machine in their favour. Sort of 'Let us pay you to screw us over big time'.
The parasite-host relationship works like that.
Where there's power, there's no relationship. Only violence.
There is a battle going on and we are gaining momentum to stop the genocide machine that is funded by AIPAC and US arms to Israel. Recently 103 Democrats voted to stop arming Israel (97 voted for)....a rising tide with a cost, loss of AIPAC funding for many and for some death threats. "103 House Democrats voted for an amendment to cut U.S. military aid to Israel.At least 48 of the Democrats who supported ending the aid have not received or solicited AIPAC support since 2022.15 AIPAC-endorsed House Democrats seeking reelection had their online donation links stripped by the organization following that vote to cut aid." If we wish to stop the genocide, we have to support those representing our views. If we pretend they don't exist or call them fakes we are re-enforcing the changing status quo.
It is also very instructive that in Senate testimony yesterday, not one of the democrat senators grilling Hegseth said that the War On Iran was illegal and needs to stop. Senator Ossoff was very good in his questioning of the Secretary of War, as was Senator Peters. Sen. Ossoff is also about $950,000 in the tank according to AIPAC Tracker.
Rather, their complaint was that the war wasn't being won. With democrats and liberals, it's always griping about process, not about goals. Their beef is never with what was done. It’s always that it wasn’t done the “right” way.
Anyway, Dale, I got a question for you....
It smells like war, it looks like war….congress even mentioned the word war. And congress still can’t do their well paid job—impeach, convict and remove a lot of criminals in the executive branch—at a minimum executive branch started a “war” of choice without following the constitution to getting permission from congress. I would have loved to see them squirm if exec branch actually asked. I can’t believe they are even listening to hegnog ask for billions more.
Remember the democrats who heroically voted to end the war in Yemen, only to flip their vote, once that war became Biden's war? And then there's Obama. Remember him? Remember how democrats and liberals were raving about the forever wars, only to turn into neocons, once those wars became Obama's wars? Remember that, by chance?
Since we're asking questions and you're frantically sheepdogging for Team D, I've got one more for you, Dale: given a choice between a Massie (AIPAC hates him) and a goodthink democrat, whom would you vote for?
It's a simple, honest question. I keep asking, because the fact that you keep avoiding an answer tells us all we need to know about your real loyalties and motives.
AIPAC is currently BUYING the Michigan Senate Dem Primary. Rep.Haley Stevens a DemocRAT gave a speech saying "Israel comes to me in My DREAMMMSSS!!! I will do everything I can to help Israel!" Her constituents in Michigan? Screw you, Haley is also PRO DATA CENTER - the ZIONIST SURVEILLANCE STATE infestation that the Technofascist EPSTEIN Pedoes want to use to enslave Americans.
Abdul El-Sayed, Her opponent, was up 70% b4 AIPAC stepped in, ran some ads with Obama & Haley hugging, and BOOMERS started switching their votes like the drooling, Most SELFISH Generation they are. Now, Abdul, who is also pro Medicare 4 All, Anti Genocide/Wars, and Pro MONEY OUT OF POLITICS... is losing to the AIPAC PIG. Thanx Boomer Brats! Enjoy the Technofascist marking you for deletion when you can't pay your Nursing Home rent.
Boomers are the MOST SELFISH & ARROGANT of all the Generations, at least in the USA they are. Old GenZ (which I am one) are bad too, but their parents are far worse. Now, I know there are Boomers who are against all this war, etc. But sorry, the majority still believe that in the USA, you can work your way thru college and have your own single apartment. They also believe AI SLOPP Ads and still think the Repubs & Dems are 2 separate parties.
Nothing changes until the BOOMERS voting block starts to shrink. Most Boomers are too cemented in the belief that they are the Most Special Princess Ponies cuz of the Civil Rights era that they ABANDONED for the Greed is Good 80s shit. Unfortunately, by the time this group shrinks enough, the election rigging with no paper trail, electronic voting machines (hackable by a 12yo), unlimited money in politics okayed by the US Supreme Court, does any of this matter?
The Western Govt - ALL of them - are run by the Rothschilds-Epstein PEDOE Class. GENOCIDAL PEDOES & WORSE ZIONISTS who want MOST of us deleted. Greater Israel Project and the Western Slave Soldiers & Breeders... that is the future for all Western Govts.
Until there is REAL opposition, all the revolutionary- Change & Hope talk is just that... TALK.
Which is EXACTLY what the PEDOE & WORSE Billionaires want... a lot of chatter so the AI DATA CENTERS can pick out the first "Lefists Terrorists" for deletion, to make all the BOOMERS feel safe from the meanie "Terrorists who hate us for Our Freedom."
Time to go old school.
Get Creative.
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I am a boomer and I and all of my friends are definitely not what you describe. We hate Bush Obama Bidfen and trump. We are pro-Palestine, Pro-Lebanon and pro peace everywhere. But lots of money can persuade a lot of idiots. Ban AIPAC. Not one more penny for Zionism.
YES!!! MORE of this Pleeze!!!
I'm an old GenX, and that is heartening to hear! But here in the Midwest, the Majority of Boomers are PRO Endless Wars for Israel and think Their Team (Blue or Red) are the only "Good Guys," when there is only ONE Party in D.C. and we all know it... the AIPAC/CUFI Party.
My point, that many seem to be ignoring, is that the MAJORITY of Boomers are the same way, as are old GenX (that's me, 1965), and therefore Boomers & GenX who are still living in fantasyland need to wake up to the system that THEY helped create & approved of... mostly because of decades of MSM Pro Mizz Izzy propaganda and "Greed is Good" domestic policy.
While not ALL Boomers are blind to what is going on, the MAJORITY still are, which is just the honest truth.
Where does most of the pro War & Pro Mizz Izzy EPSTEIN support come from? Evangelicals and BOOMERS... not Millennials, not GenZ... BOOMERS are the prime supporter of the Z10 Agenda. That is a FACT.
I wasn't speaking to Boomers or GenZ who have realized just how corrupt Both Teams of the US Govt are. It is therefore OUR responsibility to speak with our peers and open there eyes to the endless lies.
Those focusing on my criticism of Boomers being the prime supporters of Mizz Izzy EPSTEIN, are missing the point entirely.
If you're a Boomer who is Anti-War, Anti-PEDOE Z10 Billionaires, and against unlimited Money in Politics - YES - We need MORE of people like you!!!
Go talk to the Boomers who STILL think Israel is the USA's "Greatest Ally!!!"
I'm already with you!!!
This is why people say the things they do about Boomers in general.
Because it is NOT ALLOWED to criticize this Generation in anyway.
People can say whatever they want about GenX, Millennials, GenZ, and Young people in general. Why is that? Boomers are NOT the Greatest Generation... there is just a lot of them.... and many of them are whiners.
Peace.
I am too old to be a boomer but your rant only serves to divide us more when we can only win if we unite. AIPAC should be banned as a foreign agent, but this can only happen if we unite to win power. AIPAC propaganda works but we only make things worse by writing off an entire generation with insults. Your expressing your hatred for an entire generation may feel good t you but it hurts the cause.
Im of the oldest GenX- 1965.
The children of Boomers arent much better.
Please tell me when we are allowed to snatch the wig off the poor, Misunderstood Boomers and shake it at them? I am being HONEST.
I've had to Grow Up and realize that Dems & Bernie & AOC & Repubs are all the same... it is one big Uniparty Under Mizz Izzy EPSTEIN.
I am willing to work with Anyone to do GOOD and No One to do EVIL.
Boomers don't seem to give a fnck about EPSTEIN Pedoes.
What's up with that?
I was being honest.
I had to grow up and realize its the People against ALL.of these Z10 Politicians and their owners.
Precious Special Boomers need to look in the mirror and GROW UP too.
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The real enemy is the same one that we had back in the 60's. It's apathy.
Dale Ruff is correct. You continue to tar us all with the same brush which is distasteful and counter productive.
Boomers or democrats?
Nobody can help when they were born. Nobody held a gun to anyone's head to make them a democrat.
Chetzmon4. I hate to say it but I have to agree with you. Being a boomer and having seen every war since Vietnam instigated by U.S. / Israeli interests I am baffled by how so many Boomers can support this crap. Sadly, my children's generation is not much better. I would rather have a conversation with a 10 - 25 year old than a 35 to 50 year old. Their awareness is refreshing. Most of my boomer friends think as I do but I know we are in the minority. With age should come wisdom but it appears that many of the youth are more aware. It sickens me.
It's very sad. I have a favorite old Hippy uncle & aunt who back in 2016, stopped talking to me because I ended up voting Green and not for War Pig $hillary.
I finally broke thru with this war with Iran crap, after almost 10 years of ghosting me.
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Gee, I dunno, I think your opinion of boomers is not totally accurate and also very unhelpful. Maybe I belong to a different class of boomers but everyone I know is opposed to the genocide. I’ve been remarking about a lack of young people attending pro-Palestine protests (although for many, it could be career-ending so I get it). Every meeting of anti-genocide activists I’ve attended is probably at least 70% elders. So sure, criticize them if you like (and apparently even fervently wish for our deaths?), but that kind of binary approach certainly doesn’t advance the cause. I could just write off all young people as selfish and ignorant, without critical thinking skills, but that would be unfair and inaccurate. Do you think your parents are representative of their entire generation? Anyway, I hope someday you see the value that ALL of us bring to the effort to end this horror.
I live in Michigan and I have not seen one sign for Haley Stevens but many for Abdul. Fingers crossed.
Same here! I did see video of old Boomer Blacks saying that "Obama likes Haley Stevens, so I voted for her." Seems my opinion of Boomers is correct.
The woman gave a SPEECH with that "Dreams of Israel" crap in it! A short went viral! Guess what? Boomers STILL like her!
Young people do NOT vote - that is a fncking FACT.
So... unless Young people and Anti-Mizz Izzy EPSTEIN people get out an actually VOTE... it's just more of digging the hole deeper.
Peace.
But of course, all Boomers are exactly alike. Boomers are a monolith, they all think and act in unison. You've seen one you've seen 'em all, as Reagan said of Redwood trees! LOLOLOL
"Recent polling from mid-July shows the race is a statistical tie or a tossup among definitive voters. While El-Sayed holds strong organic support, he has not led by a 70% margin in major state surveys. AIPAC Financial Footprint: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and its affiliated super PAC, the United Democracy Project (UDP), have poured nearly $30 million into the race to back Stevens and run attack ads against El-Sayed
.The Spending Gap: Outside spending from pro-Israel groups and other super PACs has allowed Stevens' side to outspend El-Sayed's campaign by an estimated 12-to-1 margin on television and digital media.
The 70% figure frequently mentioned in current news cycles regarding AIPAC does not refer to candidate polling. Instead, it refers to the organization's declining institutional reach: only one-third of newly elected Democratic House members accepted AIPAC's offer for a free trip to Israel, a sharp decline from 70 percent who accepted the trip in 2023."
"AIPAC’s campaign spending is increasingly backfiring, particularly in Democratic primaries, where its massive super PAC interventions and use of "dark money" have sparked significant public backlash. While the group has successfully unseated some progressive critics, its involvement has polarized voters, driven some politicians to reject its money, and inadvertently made unconditional support for Israel a toxic issue."
Money doesn't talk; it swears " bob dylan
This is the dumb trick the Dem Party has been using on their followers for years now.
When something they pretend to oppose "must pass" (like the NDAA), they ensure there are just enough Dem votes for it to pass, even if it's just by one vote.
Then they tell all other Dems: feel free to vote NO so our followers think we really oppose it, and we almost sunk it!
If these 6 hadn't voted YES, Jeffries would have easily had 6 other House Dems to vote YES.
https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/2080076620841308166?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2080076620841308166%7Ctwgr%5E69ef4ea5c081887b8bd52a154f3deedff3b10ed2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nakedcapitalism.com%2F2026%2F07%2Flinks-7-23-2026.html
I’m still a bit suspicious of those who voted to cut funding g€n0c|d€. The dems perform regularly and will vote or write bills that look like a win for dems—knowing they won’t pass. The other reason is that 224 and a couple more bills/acts merge u$ military/intelligence and national security. We will never know how much $$$ goes to izrahell once those pass. Nor will congress. And remember pentagon can’t pass an audit!
Bait and switch is a long-standing Team D speciality.
The IOF are cowards, just like most bullies. They're only good at dragging children to their torture prisons and that usually takes four or five of them - one on one the child truly makes it a battle for the heavily armed soldier of the most immoral army to ever exist.
Their methods work.
Well aren't the Americans a bunch of dupes.
Harsh my friend however I accept that comment based on history. One day I hope to buy you a coffee in a Free Palestine using Yuan : )
China may be marginally better - for now. America used to be great, things change. Best if we used a currency that the people ourselves designed and built. That's easy but the willingness to get things started is not there yet.
Led by the infamous dude Trump!
Never ceases to amaze me how Israelis keep bringing forth yet more evidence proving what total assholes they are, and that their nation state is truly what they have made of it: the asshole of the world.
When you believe you are the chosen people and the rest of the world is beneath you and in service of you, you don't even bother to hide the hubris and arrogance. And, until recently, they didn't need to.
I think that should be rewritten because they, the israelis have already stated that their god looks up at them, and I don't think that is all their supremacy BS, I think they are admitting that it is satan that has chosen them to help him rule the earth. Even their own bible rebukes them fof breaking all God's laws and has banned them from ever having a homeland until the whole world is at peace and at one, there's no way that can happen while israel exists, and typical of satan to have them use the name israel while showing no shame at all.
God turned his/her back on them 2000 years ago and they refuse to believe it. The temple was flattened in 70CE just to give them a physical sign. Ignorance is not bliss - its madness.
Yes, I believe this as well. There are Jews in Israel who believe the country should never have been created! Most Zionist Billionaires are Atheists, Luciferians or Satanists. They believe THEY are gods themselves... and for their own selfish goals.
In Israel, it is the YOUNG people who are the most arrogant & vicious in their hardcore Chosen Ones beliefs. They have no shame and sound insane, the way they BRAG about their cruelty.
Technofascist are Zionists & Satanists. Peter Thiel did a 3 part talk about how he is NOT an Antichrist, AI is really Our Savior and that humans are evil and we need AI to make us "behave"... wait, what?
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It worked for the other master race for quite a while. I am optimistic that history will repeat itself and then maybe we can have some sanity in this world.
Then they accuse you of being antiseptic when you say so.
Because they can.
Yes, and when will we in the West finally say, "NO."
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And that needs to be removed from the ME - and all land, resources, and wealth needs to be returned to Palestine to enable them to rebuild Palestine - particularly the Gaza Strip - for Gazans, by Gazans.
“When Exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals.” — Edward Snowden
"Anyone who can get you to believe absurdities can get you to commit atrocities." ~Voltaire
Excellent quote
Caitlin, I agree with all of that. Especially, “This was YOUR genocide, motherfuckers. YOURS. You chose it. You own it. Forever.”
Why should they, when they've got The Files and plenty of dumb addled American scrotes?
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
Or in this case, getting the other dumb bastard to die for your country.
The solution is to disarm Israel. Join the movement to ban arms to Israel.
How the hell is this even a possibility considering that 75% of Congress accepts AIPAC bribery?
If you want change, you cannot claim it cannot happen. Five years ago, no members of Congress refused AIPAC funding; ". Conversely, over 100 Democratic lawmakers explicitly rejected AIPAC's funding by voting in favor of a measure to end military aid to Israel." Join the movement for change. 77% of Democratic voters find Israel guilty of genocide and so, as it should be, more and more Democratic leaders and candidates are opposing arming Israel, which is also a refusal to take AIPAC money. If you can't lend a hand, get out of the way: the times they are a changin.
Vote in the primary, desperately hope it isn't rigged, and wait a generation or two.
That's all I got, sorry.
It's a grotesque situation, worse than anything since Time magazine put Hitler on the cover in 1939, as Man of the Year. In Nineteen mutherfucking Thirty fucking Nine.
America is fully on board with this shit, because America is gonna do this shit. Genocide, ethnic cleansing, population control, zero tolerance assembly policy, resettlement, mandatory service in the shock police and murder battalions.
This will all come to pass, all over the world, everywhere, by the end of the century.
Probably sooner than end of century. Two bills(may pass) being voted on this week . Will merge militarily and information agencies US and Israel. Then America is no more.
... and Bernie Sanders the Butcher and AOC are going along with this, like the whores for Mizz Izzy EPSTEIN, they are.
Not ONE PEDOE Biionaire from EPSTEIN Files has been arrested.
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Look at the MICHIGAN state Dem Primary - AIPAC IS BUYING MICHIGAN. Abdul El-Sayed was up by 70% till AIPAC stepped in for Haley Stevens and ran ads showing her with Obama.
Then Drooling, SELFISH BOOMERS started flipping for Haley, cuz they think Obama is a Rockstar, and not the Z10 Pedoe Protecting WAR PIG he is!
BOOMERS - Most SELFISH Generation. Period.
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. Conversely, over 100 Democratic lawmakers explicitly rejected AIPAC's funding by voting in favor of a measure to end military aid to Israel. Five years ago, no one refused Aipac money or voted to disarm Israel. The change is happening; join it or get out of the way.
Hey, you put an anti-Israel candidate in front of me, I'll vote and volunteer.
But it's still a relative rarity in US politics.
Hopefully that will change, when the Zionist/MAGA cabal rinses the establishment Dems this fall, and the opposition realizes they can never win again without serious change.
Blood and guts Patton quote?
"Military men are dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy" Henry Kissinger.
I agree with Henry for once. But I wouldn't say it to a Navy seal .
It is. It also appears to accurately describe observable reality.
"The Palestinians have made it clear that they are willing to die for Palestine, while the Israelis have made it clear that they are unwilling to die for Israel. "
That pretty much ends the argument for me. Those who love their homeland and people enough to die for them deserve to keep their homeland. So, go back to Europe, the US and wherever else you came from, Israeli settlers. Get out of the homes and off the lands of the true natives of Palestine. You don't deserve to be there and no one will miss you when you leave.
And stop committing antisemitism on the true semites, the Palestinians.
Indeed...yes.
Settlers are thieving brutal psychopathic thugs who have no attachment to the land. They are opportunists who enjoy the protection of the IDF as they commit their crimes. It's astonishing that they can do this with no personal repercussions but we see that they do.
I agree, but at the same time so not looking forward to having these racist thugs anywhere near me, or the people who are not like that.
ISRAELI ZIONISM IS THE WORSE THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE
While it was the Nazi holocaust that turned the world toward sympathy for Judaism and the creation of Israel, it is the ongoing Zionist genocide of the Palestinians and the “greater Israel project” that is turning the world against Judaism. The world will not forget the brutality and evil that targets children for murder and starvation as it tortures and rapes men, women and children in prisons. All to steal Palestinian land. Nor can Israelis’ deny the sheer joy the IDF exhibits while committing these crimes against humanity. It makes the Nazi look like humanitarians. The false concept of Israel has turned Zionist Judaism into a pseudo-religious cult of depravity and Satan worshiping evil. The real religion of Judaism will suffer and pay for the consequences.
https://substack.com/@wilrodx108853
I challenge your claim about the world turning to sympathy for European Jews after the Holocaust. The correct statement is WHITE people became sympathetic for other white people because white people weren't used to seeing WHITE people emaciated, brutalized, and genocided. That's something white people have historically reserved for non-whites by the millions. Burn them, emaciate them, steal them from their families, lynch them, rape them, dispossess them, murder their children. Where was the sympathy over those centuries? Whites were never moved to sympathy for non-whites because Europe hasn't been civilized for at least 2000 years.
Add Gaza to all Holocaust Museums.
If you study the growth of Zionism within the world Jewish community, you'll find that around Herzl's time, Zionists were in a small minority. But with the 1914 Balfour Declaration, the Arab/Jew conflicts after about 1920, and especially the 1930's, Zionism began to attract more Jews. It was the Holocaust and then the creation of Israel in 1948 that witnessed a huge conversion to Zionism. The next huge transfer was a result of the 1967 and 1973 Arab/Jew wars, which Israel won, and that success gave many Jews the confidence that Israel is a realistic means to save Jews from extermination by the Goyim.
Since the 1970's the overwhelming vast majority of Jews have held Israel in their hearts, looking upon it as the only way to guarantee survival of Judaism. On Oct 6, 2023, virtually all Jews were Zionists, either by self admission or in spirit. Since Oct 7, however, there has been a slight pulling away from Zionism because it's harsh realities are too much for these Jews to bear - particularly the younger Jews. But I consider this last movement only a blip, and it's still true that the overwhelming vast majority of Jews are Zionists, even though a good fraction of them (30% in the USA) believe that Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.
The main point here is that if you criticize Jewish Zionists, you are criticizing the overwhelming majority of world Jewry.
What that would tell me, if I were a jew is that I've chosen the wrong side. How can they hold "in their hearts" a state that tortures and rapes children, and even in America they rape their own with a rabbi chanting in some ritualistic ceremony, and often more than one male raping the same child - oh, and don't forget their huge caveat the child must have tirned three years of age! How do they live with themselves?
What percentage of Jews are Zionist?
There is no single percentage for "all Jews" because identification varies drastically by geography and how the question is asked. **In Israel, approximately 90%** of Jews identify as Zionists. In contrast, recent surveys of **American Jews show only 37%** explicitly identify with the term "Zionist," despite **88%** supporting Israel's right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state.
What percentage of American Jews support the IDF conduct of the war?
As of late 2025 and early 2026, support for the IDF's specific conduct has dropped significantly compared to the war's outset:
31% Support: A September 2025 survey by the University of California, Berkeley, and the University of Rochester found that only 31% of American Jews support Israel’s military operation in Gaza, while 58% oppose it.
War Crimes Perception: An October 2025 Washington Post poll revealed that 61% of American Jews believe Israel has committed war crimes in Gaza, and approximately 40% believe Israel is guilty of genocide.
We also have to be careful to distinguish between Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform Judaism.
Disapproval is not uniform across all groups:
* **Age:** Younger Jews (under 35) are significantly more critical. In 2024, only **52%** of Jews under 35 found the conduct acceptable, compared to **68%** of those over 50. By 2025, opposition among young adults hardened further.
* **Denomination:** While Orthodox Jews remain more supportive, disapproval has spread across Reform, Conservative, and unaffiliated Jews. The 2025 Berkeley survey noted that **57-58%** of Reform and unaffiliated Jews opposed the campaign, but reservations were also expressed by **38%** of Orthodox and Conservative respondents.
In Addition: Global Zionist
Based on current demographic data and polling from 2025–2026, approximately 65% to 70% of Jews globally identify as Zionists.
This global figure is a weighted average driven by the fact that nearly half of the world's Jewish population lives in Israel, where identification is near-universal, while the Diaspora (particularly in the U.S.) shows significantly lower self-identification.
wilrodx, the details don't matter. The bottom line is whether Jews believe Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish State. If they believe that, they are Zionists, because that's the best definition of the word, which is the one that the early Jewish Zionist founders of Israel had in mind.
Israel never had any right to exist. It became a member of the UN under false pretenses. Practically speaking, it's best that we accept now that unfortunately Israel does exist, although conceivably, it can be kicked out of the UN. Jews that believe Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state are only believing in their own bigotry, because Israel is made up of land stolen from the Palestinians. That's the fundamental issue and the best definition of Zionism is determined from that fact.
When you complicate the issue by breaking down different categories, you are falling for the trap set for the Goyim who then have difficulty seeing the plain, simple truth, that the overwhelming vast majority of Jews believe that it was morally correct to steal the land and murder its inhabitants. It seems that Goyim love to be deceived.
You might like to read:
https://mondoweiss.net/2026/07/no-israel-does-not-have-a-right-to-exist-quite-the-contrary-actually/
I agree 100% that Israel should not exist and has never had any right to Palestine. The Zionist behavior justifies that also. I am in favor of Iran targeting water desalination plants, ports and power grids, even stolen settler habitation areas to get the Israelis' to leave. It's the only way to get them out and get justice for Palestinians. I do believe that there is a large segment of real Jews that would support de-legitimizing Israel. There also needs to be a movement to de-legitimize "Christian Zionism".
It seems we're on the same page. The Israel regime must be ended. I don't know how, and there are more than one ways it could happen. But second to WWI and WWII, the birth of Israel was the most profound debacle in the 20th Century, and as many people predicted, both Jew and non-Jew, it could only fester and grow, until it reaches ungodly levels involving most all western civilization. We are close to a climax, and at this stage, all the lies and deceit from Jewish political leaders both inside and outside Israel are being ignored by the people of the world. That deceit is what allowed Israel to grow to its current status, but by now, the world is woke to the truth.
I suppose there could be a role for the UN in ending this regime. I read that there's a legal instrument that would allow nations to group and form a military force. That could work, though a wild card there is the USA. And the upcoming elections in the USA could determine much of that outcome.
The current status is not sustainable, and because of what Israel has done in recent years, Judaism will never live it down. It's all entered into Jewish history, up there with the Holocaust, and from now on, with any public mention of the Holocaust, many people will be thinking, "What about Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, etc."
There is a way to end the Israel project. Besides hitting desalination plants, ports and electric power facilities. The armed settler militia terrorist should be hit where they live.
Also, Israel is highly vulnerable when it comes to diesel and jet fuel. Read Larry Johnson : https://sonar21.com/israels-critical-fuel-exposure/
There are only two refineries in Israel and one of them is severely damaged as is the Haifa port. I am puzzled why this has not been done. It would have stopped the genocide a long time ago. Israel seems to have some hidden invulnerability.
Why do the Zionist seem to have endless sums of money to carry out their treachery? I believe it has to do with the world's oldest banks are mostly run by Jews that have an iron grip on the world's economy besides the disproportionate amount of billionaires being sympathetic to the Zionist cause as a global political agenda. They actually intend to dominate the world and they are well on their way to fulfilling that. That is the key to WWIII and nuclear destruction.
Don't count on elections especially where the most important Zionist stronghold is...USA, The uni-party plays a pretty transparent game and fallacy of there being any real opposition to the Zionist global agenda.
BTW: Zionism is not a religion it's politics.
Perhaps, but I am not criticizing them based on race, religion, or some immutable trait that cannot be helped.
I am criticizing all Zionists, Nazis, Nationalists, Fascists because they are evil.
We have all seen how 99 times out of 100 the IOF are well back out of harms way when they cheer the bombs dropped on Gaza, bloody cowardly bastards.
Talmudic Chabad “ Jew “ kushner and his side kick real estate grab. And trump is oh so “proud “ of his psychopath daughter Kushner wife. They tried it in Albania and got a boot up the backside....
Israel's "heroic" IDF bombed an enemy in a literal cage who had NO air defense to rubble, section by section to where a rat couldn't hide. Then went in with tanks so they could have the sport of snipers shooting infants out of mother's arms in safety, or a tank riddling a vehicle with a 10 year old in it. All justified by calling those they murdered "animals" and they "had the right to defend themselves".
The CIA wasted money running MK ULTRA to program humans into assassin's. All they needed to do was copy Zionism. Or did Israel use MK ULTRA?
The only thing remotely comparable to this depraved slaughter was dropping nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But the survivors at Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't sniped for enjoyment like the IDF. And the US supplied the bombs for Gaza and Japan.
The IDF is the most depraved, cowardly army that has ever existed in the history of warfare. Including the Nazis. And the US government shares the majority of the blood stains in Gaza.
In the last week 57 Palestinians during the "cease fire" have been murdered. Zero IDF. Deaths during a ceasefire are designated murder regardless of citizens or military status. And the world watches in silence.
The IDF won’t fight in Iran because they aren’t defenseless children throwing rocks.
Fuck the Zionist fascist thugs and fanatics. Fuck the orange freak' and his reptilian smirking fascist sycophants. Long Live the brave Palestinians
One State Palestine
Palestine/Israel confederation - something like Switzerland. This will happen in the distant future. It is the best solution.
Yes, but the Palestinians are often assholes too - let's not forget that.
But some might say, as I do, that "asshole" is on an entirely different, and saner, safer, level than being a genocidal maniac.
There are lots of Palestinians who want to “Genocide” the Israeli Jews. They just can’t do it. Hezbollah’s position is that all Jews who came to Israel after 1948 must leave. Not a lot of cooler heads there on either side.
My bad. I should update it to say that a resistance group created in opposition to an invasion of their country, seeking to repel an occupation, might have better things to do, and more to occupy itself with, than seeking to commit a "genocide." I don't see a source for the quote, so am somewhat doubtful that it exists, or, if so, might itvbe from a less than trustworthy source, from someone not in a position to follow through on a bad idea, or even a poor translation? I would look to actions over words, deeds over purported wishes.
Both are true. They have not officially abandoned this position, but they know it's not realistic.
You might consider updating yourself on just what Hamas's position actually is, as of the 2017 revised charter. "6. The Palestinian people are one people, made up of all Palestinians, inside and outside of Palestine, irrespective of their religion, culture or political affiliation." https://israelpalestinenews.org/hamass-2017-charter-full-text/
You might also note that a people who were uprooted from their homes by what was told to them explicitly was a Jewish state, might have taken that information and used it in formulating their resistance, armed and otherwise, without having any interest in harming Jews in general, harming Jews unconnected with their displacement, or committing a genocide against anyone.
My post referred to Hezbollah, not Hamas.
The Lebanese resistance is the only fighting force protecting Lebanon from a complete Isrhelllii takeover and invasion, you dumb twat. Long live the resistance, fighting the idf cowards and thrill killers. Stop murdering civilians idf cowards and thugs.
it's you that is the asshole. Twat
Sure. Just like you are. Idiot
"One day, [when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable], everyone will have always been against this."
- Omar El Akkad
Isn't that the truth. The cowards will do this 100%.
"If you keep feeding the public the lie that they need to choose between supporting genocide and hating Jews, people are going pick hate Jews, because they don’t want to support genocide."
I hate to admit it, but this tendency (to generalize from hating Israel to hating Jews) certainly applies to me. I have to keep reminding myself about the many, many honorable Jews out their who despise the genocidal apartheid Israeli state and its supporters as much as I do. Mearsheimer, Mate (father and son), Finkelstein, spring to mind but there are many, many others. But it is frighteningly easy to forget, and to generalize...
Agreed, but this should be the defining issue for Jews throughout the world right now. This injustice is being done, in the words of the Likud Party, in their name, after all. And yet, not a single synagogue in my town has condemned this atrocity.
Max Blumenthal journalist Grey Zone recently detained at the airport ok his return from Iran for reporting the truth in and about Iran....
Perhaps because there are so few who stand up to be counted?
Declassified UK exposed yesterday the invitation to Israeli Arms Manufacturers to exhibit their killing wares for sale at the Farnborough Airshow. These stands were monitored and guarded by Israeli security, prohibiting any reporters from viewing or examining the drones killing Palestinians. The UK government is up to its neck in the genocide, not only the weapons but the surveillance helping to target gatherings and humanitarian aid. Like shooting fish in a barrel. But as the outgoing PM Starmer declared, denying Palestinians water, food and electricity was 'Israel's right to defend itself'! The world is ruled by psychopaths.
It's called Psychopathy. Interesting reading about that.
It is established by experts that Israel has been committing gen0c1de for (at least) 3 years now:
https://www.thecanary.co/explainer/2025/08/01/genocide-accusations-israel/
It is widely accepted that complicit suppliers of weapons components and money and diplomatic cover (namely the colonies' fatherlands in USA, Deutschland, and UK, and other colonies like my Australia) are year after year violating the spirit of the Gen0c1de convention, and maybe even the letter of that law (despite lack of popular support for this war crime):
https://www.greenleft.org.au/2025/1439/analysis/kellie-tranter-australia-breaching-its-international-obligations-weapons-israel
Meanwhile the worst gen0c1de abettor (whose Gen0c1de Joe once said that if Israel didn't exist, they would have to invent one to protect their imperial interests) USA is annexing Australia via Force Posture Agreement, AUKUS, and many salami tactics takeovers of our land, with deep financial and legislative support from the current ALP government:
https://ipan.org.au/public-call-to-the-australian-government/
And our Federal and State ALP governments are legislating for the police abuse and criminalization of peaceful gen0c1de protestors, and building an expensive security establishment to protect US invaders and gen0c1de loving locals from any legitimate, and international law compliant dissent:
https://monitor.civicus.org/explore/australia-authorities-continue-to-criminalise-protests-police-with-impunity-and-increase-restrictive-legislation-and-policies/
It is time for voters to wake up and join in with groups peacefully asserting their human right to political expression free of government authoritarianism. A few hours a week could tip the balance.
I can’t believe the cowards from the Biden Admin are coming up with this shit…
I can. Sully's name was sullied long before 2026.
Has any Israeli official ever apologized for lying to a senile Biden about beheaded babies he then babbled on about after being fed that pablum on a state visit?
Why would he?