Sadly, enough votes for Stein (or other 3rd parties) will merely be secretly & undetectably diverted from their intended recipients & flipped to whichever duopolist TPTB prefer. This is why the polls must be boycotted: so "The Winner" can't suggest he/she got "a mandate from the voters". When the voter turnout is less than 10%, everyone will see the election for the farce that it is. THIS IS WHY TPTB & THEIR MEDIA HAVE TO HYPE THE ELECTION TO THE HEAVENS, & TRY TO MAKE ALL THE VOTERS BELIEVE THAT THEIR VOTE IS THE ONLY THING PREVENTING SUDDEN UNSPEAKABLE DOOM EVEN WORSE THAN THEY'VE ALREADY GOT. Because when voters refuse to vote, the jig will be up. https://www.thepolemicist.net/2016/09/strike-vote.html
Understandably--but they need to do something that's NOT shooting themselves in the foot. IMHO shaming our useless Congress into handing everyone enough unconditional $$$ to actually live on would be immeasurably more useful to them.
There are mail-only states. Those people should smile at what/whom? As their signatures are being matched to their votes? As harvesters go around neighborhoods collecting ballots, paying people off, filling them out and dropping them off?
Fucking unbelievable the US folks! The size of their naivete and gullibility is such it stretches the infinity itself.
Sorry, I disagree, doing nothing in the face of madness is madness. Please go to the polling place and write-in someone you love. That is a demonstration to both parties they did not offer a candidate worthy of your vote.
I wrote in a comment why I think it's important to vote for Dr. Jill Stein. Writing in someone will not show up in the vote tallies, and will not give us an idea of just how many we actually are.
A caveat. If you are in a swing state, don't vote in any national elections. If youre in a state like Alabama, Texas, New York or California vote Stein.
Agreed, as I've been saying this for many months now. But I fear the propaganda mill of TV ads, all mainstream corporate media, "social media" chatter, and just everyday people talking about it, will work to bring to the polls about the same percentage of voters as usual, which is barely over 50%. So, the same 50% more or less will boycott this farce, with the rest dutifully lining up to obey their masters.
Well, they can (& do) lie all they like, but it would be easy to disprove, as the polling places keep track of who voted, & scrubbing those records would take A LOT of work. Unlike electronic vote-flipping, which only requires a couple of ppl to flip an entire election.
>>Sadly, enough votes for Stein (or other 3rd parties) will merely be secretly & undetectably diverted from their intended recipients & flipped to whichever duopolist TPTB prefer."
This is bullshit. They (TPTB) don't need to do this. Jill Stein (or another 3rd party candidate) is not a threat to TPTB. They know this. Hence, they couldn't care less who votes for Jill Stein. If Jill Stein (or any other 3rd party or independent candidate) was a real threat to the establishment, you would see a different level of propaganda and unfolding of events.
If 3rd party candidates weren't a threat to the duopoly, they wouldn't need all their various shenanigans to prevent them from getting somewhere, e.g., making it difficult for them to get on the ballot, not allowing exit polling, not allowing exit polling that hasn't been "adjusted" first, having malfunctioning voting machines, keeping voters waiting FOR HOURS to vote, closing polling places which are close to where the poor folks live, requiring 3rd party candidates who demand a recount come up with hundreds of thousands of $$$ first, planting moles in 3rd-party candidates' campaigns to run off w/ the petitions to get those candidates on the ballot, have judges who refuse to look at evidence of election rigging, preventing voters from counting ballots themselves before their chain of custody w/ their ballots is broken, not allowing independent ppl who are able to read computer code to examine the code which the computerized voting machines run on, allowing completely unverifiable touch-screen voting machines in the first place, etc. etc.
I mostly agree. "Third" parties typically spend 50-70+% of their campaign funding acquiring and defending their ballot access. This cost significantly decreases their outreach, publicity and advertising efforts.
MAYBE that could happen in mailed-in-ballots-only states, where nobody has to show up somewhere in order to vote...it couldn't happen in NY, e.g., where who shows up to vote & takes a ballot & turns in a ballot are all noted in writing.
Yes, vote Jill, but with the following proviso: eschew voting D or R anywhere downballot. Vote for the groundhog, the desert weed of your choice, vote for a cowpie, leave those offices blank, write in Wiley Coyote, just do not give ANY votes to ANYONE in the duopoly. Then, rejecting the proffered "I voted" sticker, walk out visibly holding your nose in recognition of your understanding to all present that in the current capitalist-authoritarian system run by Zionist billionaires, the whole thing is patently bullshite.
The phrase from Caitlin today, that the election is a " carefully manufactured illusion" accurately sums it up. A fantasy in fact.
If there was some way that a Jill Stein was able to slip into a powerful role serving the people of the USA, it is certainly not within my knowledge of the American election (illusion) procedures, accepting as they appear to be of graft, bribery, corruption and massive doses of foreign influence, tolerating many thousands of Jewish fifth columnists, neocons, AIPAC-ers in their ranks, making the end result in no way representing the decent voters from 50 states.
Democratic? The USA now seen as something of a very sick joke throughout the world.
It all comes back to money. We have seen how two worthy candidates lost any chance they had by being countered by a collective amount of 23 million dollars of Jewish money, no doubt all of which would have been from a genocidal state called Israel……..and before that from a very generous President named Biden.
Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. worthy candidates. They have paid the price of being decent Americans and for not being Israel owned like 86% of the government.. Is it any wonder then that the likes of a previous Israel Prime Minister named Sharon (the Butcher of Beirut) can state without fear of contradiction that “we own America” .
How 330 million people can tolerate that is beyond my understanding. The USA forefathers would turn in their graves.
Loaded to the gills with US taxpayer dollars in the billions per courtesy of Genocide Joe Biden, it would be a fantasy to even consider that most of this has not returned to the USA to defeat any rational electoral approach objecting to the Nazi-like state of Israel, currently engaged in every possible crime imaginable in Gaza. And I mean, every crime.
While such brazen corruption is allowed to happen, the USA will remain as it is now, a country where no one seems to sheet home the loss of decent candidates, therefore government as a result as mentioned above, to the corruption of totally allowable and encouraged “electoral funding”.
That is the single factor that will kill off the Jill Stein’s of America from ever having a seat in a future US government. And the Israelis know it.
Thanks Joe. You’ve allowed us to continue our genocide and have also paid for our control of your corrupted politicians. Well, at least 86%. Let us say that the 180,000 Palestinian deaths you have supported were what you would call “collateral damage”. (Well, that’s what I would tell your local Priest at your Confession at St Joseph on the Brandywine Catholic Church in Wilmington, Delaware.) He’ll surely give you absolution for your crimes.
Of course this is a rigged game where everyone loses except the power brokers. The problem is taking back control. It's getting much harder when Big Tech has woven itself into this. Plus the use of AI on a universal scale.
It's not just the US that's affected by this manipulation. Globally people are suffering from this ever tightening imperialistic regime. Left unchecked (how ever that would happen 🤔) it will become a worldwide Hunger Games. Oddly enough BRICS poses a serious challenge to the US Western alliance. Ironically Israel has been the catalyst for the much needed global change. It's going to be a nasty fight.
This election is another rubber stamp for our diseased democracy. Dissent is being criminalized. "Official" violence is used to quell outrage. Free speech is treason. Trump is being transparent about the world and nation we live in 😢 Color it red or blue it's still fascism... the masks have just been taken off.
It's not the "electronic voting machines" that are the problem. It's how people think and how they have been manipulated, propagandized, and gaslighted that are the problems.
There are candidates that I like more than Jill Stein, but if people want compromise between the left and the right, Jill Stein is that step. She’s by no means and extremist. She doesn’t seem to back the oligarchy. She’s able to call out the bullshit. And most importantly she is not a direct part of the two-party system. For people that are afraid of “left-wing extremism“ and for people who are afraid of “right wing extremism“ she is the closest to the center of the line that I have taken note of.
Sounds like a health tyranny extremist to me. The Jill Stein platform supports strengthening the power of the CDC and OSHA. Not afraid to use the word “mandate” as if it’s a good thing.
“Strengthen the infrastructure for accelerated emergency distribution of information, medications, vaccines, and treatments
Fund and provide high-quality personal protective equipment such as N-95 type masks and all diagnostic testing (including viral load testing) free at local pharmacies
Mandate and provide funding for high-quality air filtration code improvements for all public transportation, public buildings, schools and businesses
Restore OSHA-supported airborne protections for healthcare workers
Establish policies that will eliminate SARS-CoV-2 transmission in schools, healthcare facilities, and on public transportation”
So you’re saying laws that protect people from other dumbasses that lack common sense, are bad? Classic libertarian making everything about yourself. For a society to exist there have to be some basic laws to follow. The selfishness of the libertarian idea is comical.
I didn't realize this. You just gave me another reason to stay home. I would never vote for any candidate who believes N95 masks make any difference. Any doctor worthy of being called a doctor knows this (I'm married to one).
I didn’t know that being married to a doctor made one an expert on mask efficacy? Gee, I thought reading up on mask efficacy and ventilation via different sources were a way to make choices also.
We have laws. So we want them punishing people for being different, or being used to protect the greater population from threats that you don’t have the right to impose on me?
Yes, and how anyone can vote for or in any way support either Trump or Harris, and still believe they know "what's going on," is unfathomable. This is probably the Most Important Election of Our Lifetime to either cast a protest vote for Stein, or boycott the whole imperialist carnival act.
I support Jill Stein, but the Democrats have done almost everything they can to sabotage her and prevent her from getting on the ballot. If Harris loses and they blame Jill Stein, the Green Party will have absolutely no future. The Democrats will seek revenge instead of learning the lesson that you can’t win with a corrupt party. The duopoly will just double down.
I meant it sarcastically, the most important election part, that is. But urging others to refuse to vote either D or R is very important, even if most refuse to listen.
Vote your conscience America. Vote on Hope for Bobby KennedyJr this November. The mainstream media will not report anything positive about him since he is against Big Pharma that call him every vile name and the Democrats have TDS!
My conscience won’t let me vote for genocide which Kennedy supports. He probably could have walked away with the election if he was sane on Israel/Palestinians. Instead he calls Palestinians pampered. Their country is in ruins hundred of thousands are either dead, wounded and starving to death.
Can you tell which box to tick for Freedom of Association™? Will there be representatives of the movement to hand out cookies?
And they better provide big stickers with Hope and Conscience America™ on them, big letters in red/white/blue too, so people could attach them to their foreheads.
if you so not know that concept at all, I probably cannot help you other than saying you have a right to associate with who you choose as long as that association supports Freedom and you and your rights have FULL FREEDOM as opposed that of a child
That mens you also haven a right to NOT associate with the state which would no doubt probably be your downfall
You're falling for a similar kind of bullshit if you think Jill Stein won the 2012 election. Facts matter. I support Jill Stein. But there is a difference between using emotions and using objective analysis in support of your arguments. Your insinuations sound similar to the false claims (and conspiracy theories) made by Trump supporters after he lost the 2020 elections.
Problem is the kind of election observers the US government would be willing to accept would be from Azov Battalion, Right Sector, Bolsonario, Al Nusra, ISIS, Boko Haram - you know, all their like minded friends who don't actually believe in elections as a concept.
There have been studies, including one by Princeton, regarding the effect of public opinion on Government action in America...The answer is that public opinion has ZERO effect upon what the Government does...That's why democracy is a death trap...In a Kingship or dictatorship, they pay some attention to the public, out of fear of being overthrown...In a representative democracy, no one is ever to blame...
Caitlin, your affinity for Socialism and your intolerance of "manipulation" may be two sides of the same coin.
In a free speech system, manipulation of facts is to be expected, processed and ultimately tolerated. The burden is on each of us to make a determination of truth. One man's honest rhetoric is another man's "manipulation." It's a childish view that manipulation should not exist.
In Socialism, you also expect that greed will not become a factor, even though greed is the norm among most animals, humans in particular. Socialist experiments have not been without "manipulation" either. If you crave an omnipotent power to create everlasting equality and bliss, stamping out manipulation along the way, and if you buy into such absurd promises, then I have a couple of bridges to sell you.
"even though greed is the norm among most animals, humans in particular."
This is a myth often pushed by the obscenely wealthy Elites of our time, and is also the basis of Social Darwinism. There is no substantial scientific evidence that Richard Dawkin's "Selfish Gene" is authentic. In fact, in the last few decades it's been demonstrated that collaboration and cooperation in Nature has FAR more survival value than greed and selfishness. Being "Fit" in nature has little to do with self-serving greed. It is more natural to collaborate within your species.
In addition, the human psyche is not driven by Freud's mythological made-up social-sexual unconscious driven pathos. Carl Jung well demonstrated it was all reductive, unsubstantiated nonsense Freud concocted.
Agreed! Conversely, we do have an inherent drive to compete. This thirst can be quenched through sports! Capitalism could even work better if we kept competition friendly and fair, help those who ‘lose’, etc
There are a multitude of archetypes that can be active within the human psyche. Carl Jung also discovered the "Self" archetype, which plays a central role in one's individual growth and destiny. Perhaps the most significant discovery of Analytical psychology, however, was the discovery that the contents of the unconscious operate autonomously. I would say it was the most important scientific discovery in psychology in the last century, comparable to the two slits experiment in physics.
You do still have those however who are fixated on infantile reductionist theories regarding the human psyche, and Sigmund Freud fell into this reductionist trap as well. They then project their unexamined pet theory and biases upon everything else. Greed, is among one of many possible motivating forces within the human psyche, but is far from being the central organizing principle.
Congratulations…you have swallowed the propaganda about socialism? Are you rich enough to support this capitalistic society Caitlin has been writing about?
"greed is the norm among most animals" especially butterflies no doubt, slime, mushrooms, lions, hummingbirds the long list of greedy animals is never ending; you are so absolutely right.
Absolutely right! If we, anti-imperialists, would vote for Dr. Jill Stein, then we would be sending a powerful message to TPTB. But more than that, we would be sending ourselves a message and a gift, the knowledge of just how many we are, and how strong and powerful we really are. I hope everyone can take a moment to just imagine the transformation of how we look at the task ahead, if after this election we saw the vote count for Stein at tens of millions of votes. Compare that to the usual small numbers third parties traditionally get. Amazing difference! Let's make it happen.
Tweedledee and tweedledum as James Baldwin said going into the 1980 elections pretending to frame a moral position by throwing the marginalized and disabled into the cogs of the prison industrial slave complex. “The children are always ours, every single one of them, all over the globe; and I am beginning to suspect that whoever is incapable of recognizing this may be incapable of morality… who are you going to vote for Uncle James? John Brown, I have sometimes been known to say, but that flippant rage is, of course, no answer.”
Oh Caitlin, you got this so right! The electorate is enthralled by the 🐂💩 from the D&R Uniparty. They're mentally enslaved and conned into believing they're free.
Once you opened my eyes to the Narrative Matrix, oh Baby I've been on a tear!
Byork sang about you in 'Army of Me' and Alanis sang about you too.
«….. Americans just don’t care that much about foreign policy,…..»
To be fair, if most American actually did basic self-information about what percentage of their governments money was being &@£ed away in war abroad that enriched oligarchs, instead of on basic public needs, well things would change.
But they don’t care about foreign affairs other than to cheer for wars so yes that’s why they can’t have nice things at home in the world’s richest country.
Perfect. How can anyone call this an ELECTION..it is not.
It is a manipulative duopoly and if you vote for either bllod is on your hands.
Keep pushing back and vote Jill Stein.
Sadly, enough votes for Stein (or other 3rd parties) will merely be secretly & undetectably diverted from their intended recipients & flipped to whichever duopolist TPTB prefer. This is why the polls must be boycotted: so "The Winner" can't suggest he/she got "a mandate from the voters". When the voter turnout is less than 10%, everyone will see the election for the farce that it is. THIS IS WHY TPTB & THEIR MEDIA HAVE TO HYPE THE ELECTION TO THE HEAVENS, & TRY TO MAKE ALL THE VOTERS BELIEVE THAT THEIR VOTE IS THE ONLY THING PREVENTING SUDDEN UNSPEAKABLE DOOM EVEN WORSE THAN THEY'VE ALREADY GOT. Because when voters refuse to vote, the jig will be up. https://www.thepolemicist.net/2016/09/strike-vote.html
Totally agree with you BUT I think some people need to feel they are doing SOMETHING to stop this madness.
Understandably--but they need to do something that's NOT shooting themselves in the foot. IMHO shaming our useless Congress into handing everyone enough unconditional $$$ to actually live on would be immeasurably more useful to them.
I stand with you at the polling place with a smile : )
There are mail-only states. Those people should smile at what/whom? As their signatures are being matched to their votes? As harvesters go around neighborhoods collecting ballots, paying people off, filling them out and dropping them off?
Fucking unbelievable the US folks! The size of their naivete and gullibility is such it stretches the infinity itself.
Landru. How nice but I am not an American but I will be with you.
Anyone who "votes" in November is placing their immortal soul at risk. And there's no take-backs.
Sorry, I disagree, doing nothing in the face of madness is madness. Please go to the polling place and write-in someone you love. That is a demonstration to both parties they did not offer a candidate worthy of your vote.
I wrote in a comment why I think it's important to vote for Dr. Jill Stein. Writing in someone will not show up in the vote tallies, and will not give us an idea of just how many we actually are.
Everyone Must vote their conscience and for the candidate they Like! We Cannot remain silent!
AH. Someone like me.
I don't live in the USA but from afar one can only conclude that the American Circus is in full swing.
A caveat. If you are in a swing state, don't vote in any national elections. If youre in a state like Alabama, Texas, New York or California vote Stein.
I would suggest a write-in vote. That way they know you voted, however, they didn't offer a candidate of value.
Why is anyone voting? Hilarious!
You can't fix stupid.
Everyone Needs to Vote!
Why?
How many committed electoral college vote does she have?
There is little of that with any third party. Jill or the Greens are on most state ballots now. https://www.jillstein2024ballotaccess.com/
How will you know your vote gets counted FOR Stein?
Each state does keep track of votes even write-in vote totals.
Maybe you won't. But at least your 'hands will be clean.'
Yep--the most effective propaganda of all. (Sigh.)
Jill are you talking to me.........I don't know?
However if NOT many people vote it will show the International world that you are all disgusted.
Every time there is a US Election all you think of is yourselves.
How many countries have you ruined with your false voting?
Agreed, as I've been saying this for many months now. But I fear the propaganda mill of TV ads, all mainstream corporate media, "social media" chatter, and just everyday people talking about it, will work to bring to the polls about the same percentage of voters as usual, which is barely over 50%. So, the same 50% more or less will boycott this farce, with the rest dutifully lining up to obey their masters.
2020, 66% of eligible voters voted.
If they can flip those stein votes, they can also pretend a 60% turnout?
Well, they can (& do) lie all they like, but it would be easy to disprove, as the polling places keep track of who voted, & scrubbing those records would take A LOT of work. Unlike electronic vote-flipping, which only requires a couple of ppl to flip an entire election.
Totally agree. Boycott the elections.. that way, they can’t hide behind the fig leaf of elections.
>>Sadly, enough votes for Stein (or other 3rd parties) will merely be secretly & undetectably diverted from their intended recipients & flipped to whichever duopolist TPTB prefer."
This is bullshit. They (TPTB) don't need to do this. Jill Stein (or another 3rd party candidate) is not a threat to TPTB. They know this. Hence, they couldn't care less who votes for Jill Stein. If Jill Stein (or any other 3rd party or independent candidate) was a real threat to the establishment, you would see a different level of propaganda and unfolding of events.
If 3rd party candidates weren't a threat to the duopoly, they wouldn't need all their various shenanigans to prevent them from getting somewhere, e.g., making it difficult for them to get on the ballot, not allowing exit polling, not allowing exit polling that hasn't been "adjusted" first, having malfunctioning voting machines, keeping voters waiting FOR HOURS to vote, closing polling places which are close to where the poor folks live, requiring 3rd party candidates who demand a recount come up with hundreds of thousands of $$$ first, planting moles in 3rd-party candidates' campaigns to run off w/ the petitions to get those candidates on the ballot, have judges who refuse to look at evidence of election rigging, preventing voters from counting ballots themselves before their chain of custody w/ their ballots is broken, not allowing independent ppl who are able to read computer code to examine the code which the computerized voting machines run on, allowing completely unverifiable touch-screen voting machines in the first place, etc. etc.
I mostly agree. "Third" parties typically spend 50-70+% of their campaign funding acquiring and defending their ballot access. This cost significantly decreases their outreach, publicity and advertising efforts.
3rd party votes aren't being secretly given to one of the other parties.
Prove it. (7:58) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t75xvZ3osFg
On the same thought then, just like they did with the fake moon landing, even if not a single person voted, someone would win by a land slide.
MAYBE that could happen in mailed-in-ballots-only states, where nobody has to show up somewhere in order to vote...it couldn't happen in NY, e.g., where who shows up to vote & takes a ballot & turns in a ballot are all noted in writing.
Yes, vote Jill, but with the following proviso: eschew voting D or R anywhere downballot. Vote for the groundhog, the desert weed of your choice, vote for a cowpie, leave those offices blank, write in Wiley Coyote, just do not give ANY votes to ANYONE in the duopoly. Then, rejecting the proffered "I voted" sticker, walk out visibly holding your nose in recognition of your understanding to all present that in the current capitalist-authoritarian system run by Zionist billionaires, the whole thing is patently bullshite.
Well said : )
Indeed, it is not, JennyStokes.
The phrase from Caitlin today, that the election is a " carefully manufactured illusion" accurately sums it up. A fantasy in fact.
If there was some way that a Jill Stein was able to slip into a powerful role serving the people of the USA, it is certainly not within my knowledge of the American election (illusion) procedures, accepting as they appear to be of graft, bribery, corruption and massive doses of foreign influence, tolerating many thousands of Jewish fifth columnists, neocons, AIPAC-ers in their ranks, making the end result in no way representing the decent voters from 50 states.
Democratic? The USA now seen as something of a very sick joke throughout the world.
It all comes back to money. We have seen how two worthy candidates lost any chance they had by being countered by a collective amount of 23 million dollars of Jewish money, no doubt all of which would have been from a genocidal state called Israel……..and before that from a very generous President named Biden.
Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. worthy candidates. They have paid the price of being decent Americans and for not being Israel owned like 86% of the government.. Is it any wonder then that the likes of a previous Israel Prime Minister named Sharon (the Butcher of Beirut) can state without fear of contradiction that “we own America” .
How 330 million people can tolerate that is beyond my understanding. The USA forefathers would turn in their graves.
Loaded to the gills with US taxpayer dollars in the billions per courtesy of Genocide Joe Biden, it would be a fantasy to even consider that most of this has not returned to the USA to defeat any rational electoral approach objecting to the Nazi-like state of Israel, currently engaged in every possible crime imaginable in Gaza. And I mean, every crime.
While such brazen corruption is allowed to happen, the USA will remain as it is now, a country where no one seems to sheet home the loss of decent candidates, therefore government as a result as mentioned above, to the corruption of totally allowable and encouraged “electoral funding”.
That is the single factor that will kill off the Jill Stein’s of America from ever having a seat in a future US government. And the Israelis know it.
Thanks Joe. You’ve allowed us to continue our genocide and have also paid for our control of your corrupted politicians. Well, at least 86%. Let us say that the 180,000 Palestinian deaths you have supported were what you would call “collateral damage”. (Well, that’s what I would tell your local Priest at your Confession at St Joseph on the Brandywine Catholic Church in Wilmington, Delaware.) He’ll surely give you absolution for your crimes.
The rest of the real world however, will not.
Truth
No
jill stein is a petty bourgeois republican funded Democrat operative like roger stone arrest and hang them all
100% with you!
I’m nearly broken by the bizarre Harris/Walz euphoria. Thank you for reminding me to keep working.
Pure advertising. It's effective. For a while. Kind of like a cocaine buzz.
Humans are easily led, like cattle to the slaughterhouse.
The cattle are frequently more intelligent.
Of course this is a rigged game where everyone loses except the power brokers. The problem is taking back control. It's getting much harder when Big Tech has woven itself into this. Plus the use of AI on a universal scale.
It's not just the US that's affected by this manipulation. Globally people are suffering from this ever tightening imperialistic regime. Left unchecked (how ever that would happen 🤔) it will become a worldwide Hunger Games. Oddly enough BRICS poses a serious challenge to the US Western alliance. Ironically Israel has been the catalyst for the much needed global change. It's going to be a nasty fight.
This election is another rubber stamp for our diseased democracy. Dissent is being criminalized. "Official" violence is used to quell outrage. Free speech is treason. Trump is being transparent about the world and nation we live in 😢 Color it red or blue it's still fascism... the masks have just been taken off.
Sledgehammers to electronic voting machines.
It's not the "electronic voting machines" that are the problem. It's how people think and how they have been manipulated, propagandized, and gaslighted that are the problems.
So, Jill Stein must be supported.
Agreed.
Peace and justice would mean the power mongers would not be able to make all that money selling munitions and war machines. Can't have that.
There are candidates that I like more than Jill Stein, but if people want compromise between the left and the right, Jill Stein is that step. She’s by no means and extremist. She doesn’t seem to back the oligarchy. She’s able to call out the bullshit. And most importantly she is not a direct part of the two-party system. For people that are afraid of “left-wing extremism“ and for people who are afraid of “right wing extremism“ she is the closest to the center of the line that I have taken note of.
Sounds like a health tyranny extremist to me. The Jill Stein platform supports strengthening the power of the CDC and OSHA. Not afraid to use the word “mandate” as if it’s a good thing.
https://www.jillstein2024.com/platform
“Strengthen the infrastructure for accelerated emergency distribution of information, medications, vaccines, and treatments
Fund and provide high-quality personal protective equipment such as N-95 type masks and all diagnostic testing (including viral load testing) free at local pharmacies
Mandate and provide funding for high-quality air filtration code improvements for all public transportation, public buildings, schools and businesses
Restore OSHA-supported airborne protections for healthcare workers
Establish policies that will eliminate SARS-CoV-2 transmission in schools, healthcare facilities, and on public transportation”
So you’re saying laws that protect people from other dumbasses that lack common sense, are bad? Classic libertarian making everything about yourself. For a society to exist there have to be some basic laws to follow. The selfishness of the libertarian idea is comical.
I didn't realize this. You just gave me another reason to stay home. I would never vote for any candidate who believes N95 masks make any difference. Any doctor worthy of being called a doctor knows this (I'm married to one).
I didn’t know that being married to a doctor made one an expert on mask efficacy? Gee, I thought reading up on mask efficacy and ventilation via different sources were a way to make choices also.
We have laws. So we want them punishing people for being different, or being used to protect the greater population from threats that you don’t have the right to impose on me?
Yes, and how anyone can vote for or in any way support either Trump or Harris, and still believe they know "what's going on," is unfathomable. This is probably the Most Important Election of Our Lifetime to either cast a protest vote for Stein, or boycott the whole imperialist carnival act.
I support Jill Stein, but the Democrats have done almost everything they can to sabotage her and prevent her from getting on the ballot. If Harris loses and they blame Jill Stein, the Green Party will have absolutely no future. The Democrats will seek revenge instead of learning the lesson that you can’t win with a corrupt party. The duopoly will just double down.
I support your overall post, for ,sure
That it is really the most important election I probably would not at this time
I meant it sarcastically, the most important election part, that is. But urging others to refuse to vote either D or R is very important, even if most refuse to listen.
Vote your conscience America. Vote on Hope for Bobby KennedyJr this November. The mainstream media will not report anything positive about him since he is against Big Pharma that call him every vile name and the Democrats have TDS!
My conscience won’t let me vote for genocide which Kennedy supports. He probably could have walked away with the election if he was sane on Israel/Palestinians. Instead he calls Palestinians pampered. Their country is in ruins hundred of thousands are either dead, wounded and starving to death.
How can your conscience vote for him?
He’s a Zionist. Why would anyone with a conscience vote for him?
Vote your conscience America. Vote on Hope------"
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I am afraid you will have to make a choice !
I suggest your conscience over hope
And the MSM hardly reports on 3rd parties unless the candiates are somewhat known
I will not tells you how you must vote
Can you tell which box to tick for Freedom of Association™? Will there be representatives of the movement to hand out cookies?
And they better provide big stickers with Hope and Conscience America™ on them, big letters in red/white/blue too, so people could attach them to their foreheads.
if you so not know that concept at all, I probably cannot help you other than saying you have a right to associate with who you choose as long as that association supports Freedom and you and your rights have FULL FREEDOM as opposed that of a child
That mens you also haven a right to NOT associate with the state which would no doubt probably be your downfall
🤣🤣 your trolling schtick is very effective, you seem not to run out of catches 🤣🤣
Jill Stein probably won the 2012 election. But electronic privately owned internet connected election computers said otherwise.
You're falling for a similar kind of bullshit if you think Jill Stein won the 2012 election. Facts matter. I support Jill Stein. But there is a difference between using emotions and using objective analysis in support of your arguments. Your insinuations sound similar to the false claims (and conspiracy theories) made by Trump supporters after he lost the 2020 elections.
Wee it seems there is a need for Election Observers from other countries and not the west.
Problem is the kind of election observers the US government would be willing to accept would be from Azov Battalion, Right Sector, Bolsonario, Al Nusra, ISIS, Boko Haram - you know, all their like minded friends who don't actually believe in elections as a concept.
Laughing....probably right!
There have been studies, including one by Princeton, regarding the effect of public opinion on Government action in America...The answer is that public opinion has ZERO effect upon what the Government does...That's why democracy is a death trap...In a Kingship or dictatorship, they pay some attention to the public, out of fear of being overthrown...In a representative democracy, no one is ever to blame...
Caitlin, your affinity for Socialism and your intolerance of "manipulation" may be two sides of the same coin.
In a free speech system, manipulation of facts is to be expected, processed and ultimately tolerated. The burden is on each of us to make a determination of truth. One man's honest rhetoric is another man's "manipulation." It's a childish view that manipulation should not exist.
In Socialism, you also expect that greed will not become a factor, even though greed is the norm among most animals, humans in particular. Socialist experiments have not been without "manipulation" either. If you crave an omnipotent power to create everlasting equality and bliss, stamping out manipulation along the way, and if you buy into such absurd promises, then I have a couple of bridges to sell you.
"even though greed is the norm among most animals, humans in particular."
This is a myth often pushed by the obscenely wealthy Elites of our time, and is also the basis of Social Darwinism. There is no substantial scientific evidence that Richard Dawkin's "Selfish Gene" is authentic. In fact, in the last few decades it's been demonstrated that collaboration and cooperation in Nature has FAR more survival value than greed and selfishness. Being "Fit" in nature has little to do with self-serving greed. It is more natural to collaborate within your species.
In addition, the human psyche is not driven by Freud's mythological made-up social-sexual unconscious driven pathos. Carl Jung well demonstrated it was all reductive, unsubstantiated nonsense Freud concocted.
Thanks so much for saying this, Jamenta - it helped me breathe again
Agreed! Conversely, we do have an inherent drive to compete. This thirst can be quenched through sports! Capitalism could even work better if we kept competition friendly and fair, help those who ‘lose’, etc
There are a multitude of archetypes that can be active within the human psyche. Carl Jung also discovered the "Self" archetype, which plays a central role in one's individual growth and destiny. Perhaps the most significant discovery of Analytical psychology, however, was the discovery that the contents of the unconscious operate autonomously. I would say it was the most important scientific discovery in psychology in the last century, comparable to the two slits experiment in physics.
You do still have those however who are fixated on infantile reductionist theories regarding the human psyche, and Sigmund Freud fell into this reductionist trap as well. They then project their unexamined pet theory and biases upon everything else. Greed, is among one of many possible motivating forces within the human psyche, but is far from being the central organizing principle.
If greed was "the norm" nothing would exist.
Congratulations…you have swallowed the propaganda about socialism? Are you rich enough to support this capitalistic society Caitlin has been writing about?
"greed is the norm among most animals" especially butterflies no doubt, slime, mushrooms, lions, hummingbirds the long list of greedy animals is never ending; you are so absolutely right.
What a BS comment!
Absolutely right! If we, anti-imperialists, would vote for Dr. Jill Stein, then we would be sending a powerful message to TPTB. But more than that, we would be sending ourselves a message and a gift, the knowledge of just how many we are, and how strong and powerful we really are. I hope everyone can take a moment to just imagine the transformation of how we look at the task ahead, if after this election we saw the vote count for Stein at tens of millions of votes. Compare that to the usual small numbers third parties traditionally get. Amazing difference! Let's make it happen.
Lovely statement, Joy
Tweedledee and tweedledum as James Baldwin said going into the 1980 elections pretending to frame a moral position by throwing the marginalized and disabled into the cogs of the prison industrial slave complex. “The children are always ours, every single one of them, all over the globe; and I am beginning to suspect that whoever is incapable of recognizing this may be incapable of morality… who are you going to vote for Uncle James? John Brown, I have sometimes been known to say, but that flippant rage is, of course, no answer.”
Brava!!! And here's MY solution to real life problems: ignore the polls, & demand an unconditional UBI that's as high as your so-called "representatives" pay themselves: https://diy.rootsaction.org/petitions/end-poverty-demand-a-ubi-equal-to-what-congress-pays-itself
Oh Caitlin, you got this so right! The electorate is enthralled by the 🐂💩 from the D&R Uniparty. They're mentally enslaved and conned into believing they're free.
Once you opened my eyes to the Narrative Matrix, oh Baby I've been on a tear!
Byork sang about you in 'Army of Me' and Alanis sang about you too.
I hope Tim doesn't mind that I love you.
«….. Americans just don’t care that much about foreign policy,…..»
To be fair, if most American actually did basic self-information about what percentage of their governments money was being &@£ed away in war abroad that enriched oligarchs, instead of on basic public needs, well things would change.
But they don’t care about foreign affairs other than to cheer for wars so yes that’s why they can’t have nice things at home in the world’s richest country.