How come all you can do is total vacuity, usa bot?
What of usa State Terrorism against Russia, China, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, ... ?
What of the usa blowing up its own citizens on 9/11? Just to get brainwashed usians like you to support more usa war crimes, crimes against humanity, Holocausts, ... .
Don't give him, or Israel a psychological excuse for implementing this genocide. What is very apparent in their killing and destruction is their sense of superiority over Palestinians and their sense of total entitlement to a land that never belonged to them.
"When Europeans started their exploration of the Americas there was a papal bull that said, not Christians, do what you want and they did. These words were written more than 500 years ago … any non-Christian people "discovered" by European explorers were to be vanquished and subdued. Direct quote: "Subjugated — and brought to the faith."
They are called papal bulls, edicts made by Popes Nicholas V and Alexander VI in the 15th century that instructed how European explorers were to treat Indigenous people.
Even that description gives human evil too much credit for me.. the inhumanity to man has never been this glaringly horror inducing ..To me this PAILS the Holocaust story and they can never use that excuse ever again to hide behind that i will acknowledge as legitimate ... I will defend any sort of bigotry but not play the fool to their perpetual victims status any longer...
And I no longer will tolerate hearing or seeing any Holocaust historic references movies films or museums and immediately click away and dismiss them as a hypocracy or manipulative rhetoric designed to shield israel crimes by trying to manipulate empathy away from the reality of what actions they do.... Its over. the antisemitic smear has no purchase power.
Well, the holocaust was real, and it was terrible. What I will say is that from the beginning others who suffered during WWII were rather, ignored to put it lightly. I too think they have used it too often for political gain and I see that as extremely inappropriate and one would think that there past would have made them more enlightened, more tolerant, but from the beginning they saw the Palestinians as inferior. Lot's of prejudice towards, Muslims, and Arabs, and its let up but not gone.
Gotta stop you there, bud. There WERE gas chambers. There WERE at least 6 million Jews and 4 million others exterminated. I heard it firsthand from relatives who either liberated Dachau personally or went through Bergen-Belsen. They saw the gas chambers for themselves.
Great post, Susan. The only thing is that to portray pure evil we have to use "war criminal usa" because they have always been far far far ... worse than the Nazis ever were.
Gaza is a red line for me too. I can agree to disagree on a lot of things, but not this one. And you're right. It isn't "complicated" at all, OMFG. What is complicated about 29,000 people killed in 4 months, half of them children?
The new Holocaust...And these ziopaths don't own that word either even though they think they do...cant even help stealing the humus recipe too these people ..
A much worse Holocaust than the G Holocaust, because the zionists have been doing this Palestinian Holocaust for over a century, including planning time.
I wonder if Caitlin knows how many websites her voice and work gets spread to daily? I know that the site I frequent posts her work by numerous people almost daily. She finds the words I often can’t come up with.
"Whenever I’m sad about a musician I like having died before their time, I comfort myself with the thought at least they didn’t live long enough to become another Bono..
Your total nonsense, usa bot, is total nonsense. Bob Dylan's religious beliefs are of zero importance. They have no bearing on the issue that religion has always been a total fraud, which dupes total idiots but not those who actually think.
Yeah, Bono, is a big disappointment. But that's probably what you get when you make someone massively wealthy and into a celebrity. They believe they're "God" and will genocide all the people they like. Sick.
We are the disappointment, to think that people like Bono can change the world. Who is he? Does he even sing a protest song. They are only the willing tools of empire. The Taylor Swift mania here in Australia is obscene when thousands are being slaughtered in Gaza and the rest are starved and terrorised. The 'debate' now has degenerated into a cruel farce of arguing if it's a genocide or not. I even wonder who the proxy is in this genocidal war - is Israel the proxy or is it the US?
What can you say about the young being enamoured of their passing fancies, when a supposedly intellectual such as Vaclav Havel thought that Mick Jagger was a 'breath of fresh air" for his Czech Republic.
It’s sad that there is a possibility that famous artists are only famous because the CIA says so. There’s lots of talented humans that never ‘make it’ & many lacking in talent that do.
Ill have to give it to you there..i was a big fan of his but cant listen to it anymore though...cant say its bad that is true but still wont buy any of it
Nope, Joni sold out when Neil Young did. I don’t know if any of the old idols are left. And I’ve read recently that the explosion of rock stars in the 60-70's was just another psyops.
And the skoolie was never boring - every day and every night in a spectacular landscape most people work all year just to spend a week in or pay $1 million an acre to buy to build a McManson on.
Mind you, the objectives of McCarthy had little merit at that time by pursuing Communism, which when compared to Zionism was and still is a totally harmless exercise. Harmless it is indeed by comparison, now that we have seen the capability of the Israel controlled / US dwelling Israeli stooges and foreign spies now owning the USA with a fully-paid-for politician under each arm. If one seriously pursued disloyal Zionists, fellow travellers, neocons populating the halls and corridors of Washington in 2024 you would never be able to find any legal system large enough to handle the numbers of disloyal, foreign owned operatives, a.k.a. the AIPACers, to try and end the bribery and corruption that is now standard practice in elections, supported all the way by the cunning penetration of appointed senior public servants reporting daily to their paymaster in Israel.
Hard to beat that for evil penetration. It is the one thing that will bring the US down…………. ……..unless it is stopped.
Netty the Yahoo said "once we take all we can from the USA it can dry up and blow away.."
The hard truth and ugly one at that the usa has sycophants and grifters populating every single nook and cranny of the political government establishment right down to the clerks who abuse their small little power against the public
McCarthyism and its predecessors - going back to WW I smashing on anarchists, wobblies, et al - crushed labor and the Left in the US. That's far more damage than the current version.
Only if we collaborate with them and keep our mouths shut. Remember the boy who cried wolf. Jews would be wise to create sunlight between themselves and Zionists/Israel. Zionists appear to understand very little about Judaism. They are mostly Ashkenazi and discriminate against Mizrahi as a matter of course. Their ideology is very similar to the Nazis, touting "racial" (FYI, race does not exist) superiority. Don't vote for pro-Zionist candidates. Write in candidates who are voted out at the primary level with Zionist billionaire money. If Democrats did this en masse, the Democratic Party will either die or change. Haven't read the story yet but If Americans Knew dot org has a story about Palestinians being forcibly removed from Gaza today. Keep resisting. Loudly.
The Palestine Chronicle reports the head of the labor union is warning Netanyahu that if he doesn't get the hostages out and strike a deal with Hamas very soon, labor will join the demos inside Israel. Hostage family members are calling for a country-wide labor strike. Last time they called one Netanyahu backed down after one day. That was about the Supreme Court's power. This is more critical. Economics appears to be the most powerful weapon in anyone's quiver these days. Military power is passe to a large degree.
I can’t believe I fell for the cowboys good, Indians bad story. I’m constantly asking myself what propaganda I still believe is true. I’m getting there.
That’s so cool. Me too. Every country is based on an origin myth, one that holds it together. That’s not really propaganda. Propaganda is when the propagandists are deliberately hiding something that they know isn’t true but they need you to believe it. Being blinded by propaganda means ignoring other information that is available but inconvenient or scary just because it is uncomfortable. We’ve had a whole generation of that, starting with 9/11. But the neo-liberal liars have finally come to the end of their tethers and their desired conquest of the Middle East is now starkly represented by all the atrocities we are seeing and not able to ignore any more.
"But the neo-liberal liars have finally come to the end of their tethers and their desired conquest of the Middle East is now starkly represented by all the atrocities we are seeing and not able to ignore any more."
The younger generation are seeing through a lot of propaganda because they are searching for the truth about what they are told. Maybe they aren’t getting brainwashed in history like we olders were.
That excuse of brainwashing is just such crap. It’s lazy, self centered yuppie thinking. Yuppies hated social justice and ran headlong to the corporations and Wall Street because they were completely materialistic and proud of it. They weren’t brainwashed—they just didn’t give a damn about anything but money and status.
After the pandemic i have zero trust in anything coming from official channels and the western establishment in its entirety ..worse still i now automatically assume everything they say is the lie.. I will never again in my life believe a word the western institutions say.. and will look out for the con that surly they are up to..
It's not science when all they do is lie . I know more about it than faucci.. It's not the research thats the problem,, you can find truth outside of orthadoxy..what you people want is blind allegance to the cult think of hiarchy where just the image of authority is all that's seen as trustworthy and THAT is why they get to propagandize you...and get away with deception and create a mindless population ...All main stream institutions are on the same page of lying to the public to maintain the status quo and boot licking those people is not the answer. They destroyed the trust not I...Actions and words did it not I ...
Then I highly recommend that you start going down those rabbit holes. Those behind the current genocide of Palestinians by the Apartheid state of Israel are also the same ones behind the ongoing global genocide of all of humanity by these death jabs masquerading as vaccines.
The end goal is the entire enslavement of humanity by technocratic control.
Sincerely happy you are doing well. I am a geezer and I take care of my immune system. No Guinea pig vax. No Covid. No need to consider if some health issue arises it might be vax related. Good deal no?
Thank goodness you did. Others unfortunately did not survive from these shots and many more have had their lives ruined because of vaccine injury. It's a real thing and it is being completely ignored and it is still being pushed on everyone. If you or anyone gets injured from these shots, there is no liability. Can you think of any other product that has zero liability?
There's plenty of info out there, but not from the so-called authorities. It is their MO to keep their heads buried in the sand while their pockets are being lined.
JennyStokes - you cannot get Long Covid without first getting Covid, just like you cannot get to age 10 before getting to age 5 first (i.e. getting Covid is a necessary pre-requisite for having Long Covid).
I agree the jabs are not part of a plan for mass death or mind control, just the usual enslavement of keeping us fat, sick and on drugs for as long as possible to make lots of money.
The jabs are a truly remarkable feat of science. Not only do they not kill or injure 100% of people they seem to have allowed your body to expel an alleged infection, which it does with inflammation, fever, cough, mucus production and tiredness so quietly and discretely that you weren't even aware it was doing so! Increase in antibody titre occurs during the convalescent phase which comes after a healing crisis so it's even more remarkable that the antibody producing jabs were able to help with this tip toeing around your body.
Isn't it more likely that the reason you thought you 'got' covid was a false positive or that the test is for sequences or proteins never shown to come from a virus?
- "I even once saw an actual Nazi on these threads" - why didn't you confront it? I have, and I've been hounded by the pack of hyenas those few types are able to maintain
- as to the rest of your grievances, you don't have to read comments if you don't want to
- and, you're not as innocent as you try to present yourself. Your obnoxious playing dumb attitude deserves some scolding too.
There are two major reasons that people accept the genocide happening in Gaza. First is that they want money more than they care about who has to die so that they can have money. Those people are just flat out disgusting. Second is that they were brainwashed since kindergarten to believe that Israel is the promised land and it is the right of all Jews. But many Jews inside and outside of Israel have seen that brainwashing and more see it every day. Watch the doc, Israelism if you can.
Whenever I hear of anyone dying these days, I think that at least they won't have to go through the demise of our world, which is what seems to be happening. Many of us are not sitting by and allowing this to happen. But most of us have little or no power to stop it. Small victories sometimes. The Jewish Children's Library here agreed to put a book back on the shelf after removing it because the author had criticized Israel on social media.
"Already we’re seeing the Biden administration’s attacks on Yemen, Iraq and Syria receiving way more pushback than such aggressions normally would".........maybe. I have been in some really big demos against various wars and none of those wars were ever stopped because of people pushing back. They were stopped for financial reasons, usually. I remember in the 70's and 80's many of us thought that things would improve from there. They didn't.
I am not sure what you mean by stringer. I live in a Western country (Canada) and I know lots of people who speak out against Zionism, especially now. How do you fight it other than speaking about how damaging it has been and continues to be?
Well said Caitlin. I totally agree with you that Gaza is a red line regarding any credibility. I am totally with you on this and feel disgusted every single day by what the Western Govts and Anglo Saxon nations are doing. D I s g u s t e d!
Thank you for allowing me to be in good company (yourself) dear Caitlin.
Gaza is a redline for me as well. I have (so far) cut off three in-laws over this subject. I won’t be attending hubby’s nephew’s wedding this summer because they’ll be present, and if I had my way, things would get ugly 😉 Don’t wanna ruin anybody’s happy day!
I’m also distancing myself from a longtime friend who says she “doesn’t like the war” but is nevertheless an ardent Genocide Joe supporter. I won’t say I’m angry with her; just extremely disappointed.
If I end up with no relationships whatever over this, it will still be worth being on the correct side!
I'm having a HARD time too with some family inlaws and some friends.. The onion layers of their steadfast false beliefs and propaganda soaked mindsets is something i am truly in disappointment of.. My faith in humanity is at an all time low.
I’m having the same issues with some of my dear ones. I don’t hang out with my sister-in-law anymore, only see her when go to my brother’s home on special occasions. I missed the local Mardi Gras parade this last Sunday b/c I didn’t want to be around her nor her aunt, who believes America has to support Israel so America will be blessed or some complete bullshit. My sister-in-law seems to believe or she did earlier that there shouldn’t be a ceasefire b/c she said “Hamas has hostages,” but never mind that Israel has held Palestinians in Israeli prisons for decades. It’s really been disheartening, but I’m not changing my views on Palestine/Gaza for ANYONE.
Its an unsettling thing to watch people you know be so full of double standards that it ruins your respect for them... even people i like and admire are so caught up in western propaganda and a life time of mind control they have been under as well as this unhinged anger reacting to any hint they may have been fooled and wrong their entire lives..they cling to it all like a security blanket..
All of this is reminding me of my own family talking about fascism creep back in the 40's and it sounds so eerily familiar to today where everyone sorta went along with it back then and today in the privileged west they all have a computer in their pockets with the knowledge of the whole world at their fingertips and yet are the most ill informed propagandized people on earth.. Granted the establishment curates the lies through media but dam its unnerving to hear them lap it all up like so much Jim Jones fruit punch...
Ironically, Chaz, I still love one SIL who is a Zionist “Christian”. But she has the good sense to not speak about it to me, and we have a very long history of a loving relationship.
Thanks Jenny ❤️ I feel much closer to people like you than I do to people in my real life. It’s so damned heartening to know that there are others out there who share my beliefs and sentiments!
I was born in the 1950's and educated (indoctrinated in many respects) in the 1960's and being axiomatically anti-war and anti-imperialism and anti-authority and skeptical of media based on the Vietnam war, I never really delved into the details of US foreign policy (with limited exceptions like central America and Iraq), so I plead guilty to not paying attention, especially to the Middle East. I was fed - and largely swallowed uncritically - the post WW II line on The Holocaust, never again, and Israel as a socialist kibbutz based western liberal progressive country. Being bombarded with that and having zero information on Palestine contributed to an irresponsible ignorance on my part (and almost all my peers).
So, while my gut was correct on strongly opposing recent Biden administration disasters in Ukraine and Israel, this time I drilled down on the details and I was and continue to be astounded and appalled at the lies, hypocrisy, and downright evil of the US empire (and media, and academic institutions, and .... everyone targeted in Chris Hedges's classic "Death of the Liberal Class").
I still often reflect: "it was never this bad", but I'm coming around to the view that it always was this bad, and that I was just not paying attention. These kind of reflections create a sickening in the soul.
But a good sickening. To me it proves that there was always an inkling inside that something wasn’t quite right, but I was busy resisting elsewhere else and couldn’t be informed about ALL the trouble the CIA was stirring up everywhere it could. It took Hamas to show us how utterly corrupt Israel and AIPAC and US foreign policy was in the Middle East and while I feel incredible rage at what is happening, I know I can now take action to support the Gazan Martyr’s and try to push a few more meat puppets out of their comfortable complacency and into being sickened. Also, didn’t you already do a big protest and quit your job to make an ethical point. That’s more than most of us do in our lives. Bless your soul.
Never underestimate putting intense pressure on your elected officials. I’ve mentioned this before here:
I called my US congressman three times a day at his Washington office demanding that he sign onto Cori Bush’s proposed legislation for a ceasefire. Finally, I told his staffers there that I had no problem sitting on the steps of his local office bearing a big sign that read “So-and-so supports genocide!”
Next time I looked at Code Pink’s list of signatories, by god and Sonny Jesus, there was his name .
A drive or campaign to remove those with dual nationalities/passports from government positions would be useful to remove foreign agents from government. No-one with any foreign allegiance should be permitted anywhere near the controls of a country & its culture especially so when the foreign power is primitive, barbaric, and brim full of hatred for everyone else on the planet who is not part of their ethnostate because they chose the wrong mother to be born to.
I think israel is an insane nation for insane people and should be remanded into a nut house for the criminally insane.. not parked next door as your neighbor again.
One thing's for sure, there's no chance it is going to stop doing what its doing on its own. There are those who claim to be friends of Israel. Friends don't let friends commit genocide!
There you go again—“ there’s not much we can do…”. Whine, whine, whinge cringe. But then when you’re given something to do, you spend all this energy saying ooooo no, we can’t do that and trying to persuade others to agree. You are a backbone free zone. No wonder you’re so scared.
It is all by design. the increase in propaganda and the increase of aggression are directly connected. What's wrong with people's internal navigation systems? The inudation of manipulation has throroughly corrupted their thought proccess as intended. These people are the idea citizens in the dystopian society, they are exactly what the government wants. To consume so much propaganda that you are disconnected from reality.
They can't have informed intelligent responses. That's not possible with propaganda as it is its anti-thesis. So they have oneliners from propagandists to create thought termination, that results in the end of discussion. You see this in politics with party loyalty to the point of blindness. The issue of Gaza is an issue both US parties agree on...or is it bomb on? That's because war in the US will always ultimately be bipartisan and you only achieve that through manufacturing consent with propaganda. What you see with people getting wrong on Gaza is the whole purpose of what the government seeks to achieve en masse.
"It is all by design. the increase in propaganda…"
We can thank Obama for the increase in propaganda after he rescinded the Smith-Mundt act which forbade the government from using propaganda on Americans.
Yes - more and more they have found ways to legalize the pervasive Corruption and Totalitarianism. The US Constitution no longer means a damn thing to the politicians and the oligarchs who buy them out.
That's why building a brick and mortar holocaust museum in every city was designed to do render critical thought burred under a mountain of guilt inducing emotional investments in the story so it creates perpetual reparations and shields their on going ethnic cleansing planed from the day after they stole the keys off the British..
"I try to cultivate diverse and heterodox information sources, but not so diverse and heterodox that it thinks genocide and ethnic cleansing are fine. Keep an open mind but not so open your brain falls out, as they say."
Same here. At first I was a bit sad to say good-bye to people whom I thought were my friends. But as the genocide has continued on and they've yet to say anything indicating that it even exists, I've come to turns with our parting. If a person is okay with thousands of civilian deaths and casualties--especially little children-- then obviously they're a sociopath. It's safer to stay far away from them. I just hate the idea that there are so many sociopaths in the US.
Over 30,000 people have been butchered in around 120+ days.
There is no 'complexity' here. This is Genocide & Ethnic Cleansing.
If one 'gets this wrong,' then they stand on the side of the Antihuman Whackjobs. Simple!
They won't argue, they're just saying they're against "Antihuman Whackjobs", too.
More of usa bot's inane, vacuousness.
Advance that needle, you're stuck.
How come all you can do is total vacuity, usa bot?
What of usa State Terrorism against Russia, China, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, ... ?
What of the usa blowing up its own citizens on 9/11? Just to get brainwashed usians like you to support more usa war crimes, crimes against humanity, Holocausts, ... .
The forum is full of experts on those topics.
But usa bot is not one of them because usa bot is a vacuous nothing.
More of usa bot's inane vacuousness.
Why is your rate so low? Bring it up with your employer. You deserve promotion.
Stop pretending you are anything besides plug dumb, usa bot.
Does that total include the 1.2K killed on October 7 and the hostages who died in captivity? How about the Jews and Christians killed by rockets?
How about the thousands of Arab Muslims killed by various Muslims groups when they were “liberating” Palestine from the Jews?
Israel ironically the 4th Reich.
Entwined hopelessly in a Stockholm Syndrome.
The Holocaust survivors have become the holocaust perpetrators
Don't give him, or Israel a psychological excuse for implementing this genocide. What is very apparent in their killing and destruction is their sense of superiority over Palestinians and their sense of total entitlement to a land that never belonged to them.
"When Europeans started their exploration of the Americas there was a papal bull that said, not Christians, do what you want and they did. These words were written more than 500 years ago … any non-Christian people "discovered" by European explorers were to be vanquished and subdued. Direct quote: "Subjugated — and brought to the faith."
They are called papal bulls, edicts made by Popes Nicholas V and Alexander VI in the 15th century that instructed how European explorers were to treat Indigenous people.
Even that description gives human evil too much credit for me.. the inhumanity to man has never been this glaringly horror inducing ..To me this PAILS the Holocaust story and they can never use that excuse ever again to hide behind that i will acknowledge as legitimate ... I will defend any sort of bigotry but not play the fool to their perpetual victims status any longer...
And I no longer will tolerate hearing or seeing any Holocaust historic references movies films or museums and immediately click away and dismiss them as a hypocracy or manipulative rhetoric designed to shield israel crimes by trying to manipulate empathy away from the reality of what actions they do.... Its over. the antisemitic smear has no purchase power.
Well, the holocaust was real, and it was terrible. What I will say is that from the beginning others who suffered during WWII were rather, ignored to put it lightly. I too think they have used it too often for political gain and I see that as extremely inappropriate and one would think that there past would have made them more enlightened, more tolerant, but from the beginning they saw the Palestinians as inferior. Lot's of prejudice towards, Muslims, and Arabs, and its let up but not gone.
We are all located on Niemoller’s continuum.
Gotta stop you there, bud. There WERE gas chambers. There WERE at least 6 million Jews and 4 million others exterminated. I heard it firsthand from relatives who either liberated Dachau personally or went through Bergen-Belsen. They saw the gas chambers for themselves.
I think Professor John Mearshimmer wrote a book called The Holocaust Industry in the early 2000s. Either him or Norman Finklestien.
I believe it was Norman... but Mearshimmer and Walt also wrote about it
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
I believe it was Norman Finkelstein.
Susan Connolly: Israel ironically the 4th Reich.
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Great post, Susan. The only thing is that to portray pure evil we have to use "war criminal usa" because they have always been far far far ... worse than the Nazis ever were.
Gaza is a red line for me too. I can agree to disagree on a lot of things, but not this one. And you're right. It isn't "complicated" at all, OMFG. What is complicated about 29,000 people killed in 4 months, half of them children?
The new Holocaust...And these ziopaths don't own that word either even though they think they do...cant even help stealing the humus recipe too these people ..
A much worse Holocaust than the G Holocaust, because the zionists have been doing this Palestinian Holocaust for over a century, including planning time.
Thank you for being a voice for the correct side.
I wonder if Caitlin knows how many websites her voice and work gets spread to daily? I know that the site I frequent posts her work by numerous people almost daily. She finds the words I often can’t come up with.
Thanks, Caitlin.
She does weld a mighty sword!
Her pen is mightier than her sword !!.
PS Sorry but had to throw that in, as I had a brief intelligent moment !.
As for determining the correct side: When choosing sides, take care not to choose genocides.
that’s incredibly hard for some sadly.
Seems when some "humans" can profit they side with evil.
How hard can it be...................
Bam!
"Whenever I’m sad about a musician I like having died before their time, I comfort myself with the thought at least they didn’t live long enough to become another Bono..
When I was a kitten, a quote attributed to one of the Sex Pistols: "Kill your idols before they get a chance to embarass you!"
Regardless of the provenance of that quote, I believe it sound advice.
or better yet, don't have idols. or heroes. At least if you do, know that they also often have sides that are not especially admirable.
My only idol is Bob Dylan and I can imagine him cringing and being unable to write.
Mine is Roger Waters Jenny, if we’re speaking of musicians. Not only because PF was the greatest band to have ever existed, but because of his soul…
I was very lucky that last year, February, I saw him in his most recent world tour. Wonderful!!
Oh Joy how I envy you! ❤️❤️❤️
Your idol seems to be very much into religion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan#Religious_beliefs
Wonder how you reconcile this with your comment about burning the bible.
Your total nonsense, usa bot, is total nonsense. Bob Dylan's religious beliefs are of zero importance. They have no bearing on the issue that religion has always been a total fraud, which dupes total idiots but not those who actually think.
And what is it for those who think, like Bob Dylan?
When you were a kitten….awwww 😊
The written source of the notion is, of course, the Bible but that might offend quite a few sensitive "souls" here.
Bible should have been burned years ago!
One of those "souls" showed up. Do you object the notion? Do you have idols and worship them?
Of course he never did any time for that, probably for the same reason that most favorite groups had a parent in the CIA
Yeah, Bono, is a big disappointment. But that's probably what you get when you make someone massively wealthy and into a celebrity. They believe they're "God" and will genocide all the people they like. Sick.
never did hear Bono sing about Assange...
South Park got Bono right
The Revolution continues,
We are the disappointment, to think that people like Bono can change the world. Who is he? Does he even sing a protest song. They are only the willing tools of empire. The Taylor Swift mania here in Australia is obscene when thousands are being slaughtered in Gaza and the rest are starved and terrorised. The 'debate' now has degenerated into a cruel farce of arguing if it's a genocide or not. I even wonder who the proxy is in this genocidal war - is Israel the proxy or is it the US?
What can you say about the young being enamoured of their passing fancies, when a supposedly intellectual such as Vaclav Havel thought that Mick Jagger was a 'breath of fresh air" for his Czech Republic.
"Does he even sing a protest song" - it can be argued he can't sing at all.
Also, plenty others sang protest songs at some point, and now are as corrupt as they come.
Gee, serial liar usa bot has the temerity to take about others "corruption".
"temerity" - check.
Your boss scheduled more new words for you to use. First thing tomorrow when you show up for the shift.
total azewhole check, yup that fits usa bot to a T.
Thank you russian_bot, I do agree.
Worse so many musicians i used to respect have disappointed me and now are on my shit list and i will never buy anything they make again...
Yep when Neil Young sold out my heart broke and then lots of others followed him.
Same here, Sam. I used to be NY’s #1 fan.
Then I threw all his CDs in my driveway and ran over them with my truck.
Lol…that’s extreme, but I like it.
Lots of singers from the Vietnam era sold out after they started making money.
Again, you are defining "sell out" only in terms of your views on COVID. Stop the BS.
It’s sad that there is a possibility that famous artists are only famous because the CIA says so. There’s lots of talented humans that never ‘make it’ & many lacking in talent that do.
People like Roger Waters had already made it so they don't get easily burred under censorship..
Good god. People are dying of starvation in the rumble and you’re all whining about being “let down” by some celebrity.
Hi Chaz:
I often wonder what John Lennon or, more so, George Harrison would have had to say on this subject…
But the material will strike a chord forever. Quite a few chords, actually.
Only in people like you,, that have no integrity sens of ethics or honor..
but then again its clear you have no need for those pesky things in your life
What? Don't say you hate Dave Gilmour's solos on Pink Floyd albums.
https://youtu.be/5IpYOF4Hi6Q?t=136
I suppose one can separate out the art from the person but its tainted in a way that wont ever be the same...
Ill have to give it to you there..i was a big fan of his but cant listen to it anymore though...cant say its bad that is true but still wont buy any of it
And I didn't say you'd buy. I said the chords (or notes) are with you forever.
Imagine Janis Joplin right now. Probably the best Hillary supporter she would be.
Who's still out there behaving in kind? Joni Mitchell?
Nope, Joni sold out when Neil Young did. I don’t know if any of the old idols are left. And I’ve read recently that the explosion of rock stars in the 60-70's was just another psyops.
That's what I meant.
Among the ones that didn't - Roger Waters.
If you mean "sell out" only on your views on COVID. Please stop the BS. That gos for the Ruskie Bot too. No way Joplin sells out, you fool.
Lol..okay we’ll decide that only your opinion counts. Little arrogant don’t you think?
Guess you missed what she said.
A global condemnation of a person as a "sell out" based on one issue is a BS claim I will always call out.
bill wolfe the seer - how do you know that? Based on the amount of heroin she shot up? Meaning, she'd be unable to?
Maybe you just liked her tits. Made life in the skoolie less boring.
I guess you weren't alive in '65!
And the skoolie was never boring - every day and every night in a spectacular landscape most people work all year just to spend a week in or pay $1 million an acre to buy to build a McManson on.
Jeez, bill - you think I meant the skoolie thing literally?
Her tits, though, you must admit... But your seer aptitude you should tone down. The sellout examples abound.
The current witch-hunt called antisemitism is the new McCarthyism.
Yes, Stuart it is, but far better organised.
Mind you, the objectives of McCarthy had little merit at that time by pursuing Communism, which when compared to Zionism was and still is a totally harmless exercise. Harmless it is indeed by comparison, now that we have seen the capability of the Israel controlled / US dwelling Israeli stooges and foreign spies now owning the USA with a fully-paid-for politician under each arm. If one seriously pursued disloyal Zionists, fellow travellers, neocons populating the halls and corridors of Washington in 2024 you would never be able to find any legal system large enough to handle the numbers of disloyal, foreign owned operatives, a.k.a. the AIPACers, to try and end the bribery and corruption that is now standard practice in elections, supported all the way by the cunning penetration of appointed senior public servants reporting daily to their paymaster in Israel.
Hard to beat that for evil penetration. It is the one thing that will bring the US down…………. ……..unless it is stopped.
Netty the Yahoo said "once we take all we can from the USA it can dry up and blow away.."
The hard truth and ugly one at that the usa has sycophants and grifters populating every single nook and cranny of the political government establishment right down to the clerks who abuse their small little power against the public
McCarthyism and its predecessors - going back to WW I smashing on anarchists, wobblies, et al - crushed labor and the Left in the US. That's far more damage than the current version.
It's not new.
NO it's not new BUT it is just as dangerous. We are owned by Zionists.
Only if we collaborate with them and keep our mouths shut. Remember the boy who cried wolf. Jews would be wise to create sunlight between themselves and Zionists/Israel. Zionists appear to understand very little about Judaism. They are mostly Ashkenazi and discriminate against Mizrahi as a matter of course. Their ideology is very similar to the Nazis, touting "racial" (FYI, race does not exist) superiority. Don't vote for pro-Zionist candidates. Write in candidates who are voted out at the primary level with Zionist billionaire money. If Democrats did this en masse, the Democratic Party will either die or change. Haven't read the story yet but If Americans Knew dot org has a story about Palestinians being forcibly removed from Gaza today. Keep resisting. Loudly.
The Palestine Chronicle reports the head of the labor union is warning Netanyahu that if he doesn't get the hostages out and strike a deal with Hamas very soon, labor will join the demos inside Israel. Hostage family members are calling for a country-wide labor strike. Last time they called one Netanyahu backed down after one day. That was about the Supreme Court's power. This is more critical. Economics appears to be the most powerful weapon in anyone's quiver these days. Military power is passe to a large degree.
I also say the same thing about the plandemic and 9/11.
Right there with you. And I think they realized how easily fooled the public was when they successfully covered up the JFK killing.
I can’t believe I fell for the cowboys good, Indians bad story. I’m constantly asking myself what propaganda I still believe is true. I’m getting there.
That’s so cool. Me too. Every country is based on an origin myth, one that holds it together. That’s not really propaganda. Propaganda is when the propagandists are deliberately hiding something that they know isn’t true but they need you to believe it. Being blinded by propaganda means ignoring other information that is available but inconvenient or scary just because it is uncomfortable. We’ve had a whole generation of that, starting with 9/11. But the neo-liberal liars have finally come to the end of their tethers and their desired conquest of the Middle East is now starkly represented by all the atrocities we are seeing and not able to ignore any more.
This:
"But the neo-liberal liars have finally come to the end of their tethers and their desired conquest of the Middle East is now starkly represented by all the atrocities we are seeing and not able to ignore any more."
The younger generation are seeing through a lot of propaganda because they are searching for the truth about what they are told. Maybe they aren’t getting brainwashed in history like we olders were.
That excuse of brainwashing is just such crap. It’s lazy, self centered yuppie thinking. Yuppies hated social justice and ran headlong to the corporations and Wall Street because they were completely materialistic and proud of it. They weren’t brainwashed—they just didn’t give a damn about anything but money and status.
JFK's killer talking about ethics to me. LOL. My fake friend of 50 years, such people can hardly be anyone's friend.
After the pandemic i have zero trust in anything coming from official channels and the western establishment in its entirety ..worse still i now automatically assume everything they say is the lie.. I will never again in my life believe a word the western institutions say.. and will look out for the con that surly they are up to..
And that is exactly what the oil companies, Big Pharma, Big Chemical, Big Ag, Wall Street, at al all want you to think.
Because lack of trust in institutions and in science and government lets them have their way with the world.
This is a huge problem and a huge problem with some of Caitlin's writing and the thinking of many commenters here.
Well said bill wolfe!
It's not science when all they do is lie . I know more about it than faucci.. It's not the research thats the problem,, you can find truth outside of orthadoxy..what you people want is blind allegance to the cult think of hiarchy where just the image of authority is all that's seen as trustworthy and THAT is why they get to propagandize you...and get away with deception and create a mindless population ...All main stream institutions are on the same page of lying to the public to maintain the status quo and boot licking those people is not the answer. They destroyed the trust not I...Actions and words did it not I ...
I don't.
Then I highly recommend that you start going down those rabbit holes. Those behind the current genocide of Palestinians by the Apartheid state of Israel are also the same ones behind the ongoing global genocide of all of humanity by these death jabs masquerading as vaccines.
The end goal is the entire enslavement of humanity by technocratic control.
I got vaccinated and survived. I also got Covid but had no symptoms whatsoever. I thought that was a good deal.
Sincerely happy you are doing well. I am a geezer and I take care of my immune system. No Guinea pig vax. No Covid. No need to consider if some health issue arises it might be vax related. Good deal no?
Thank goodness you did. Others unfortunately did not survive from these shots and many more have had their lives ruined because of vaccine injury. It's a real thing and it is being completely ignored and it is still being pushed on everyone. If you or anyone gets injured from these shots, there is no liability. Can you think of any other product that has zero liability?
I think there should be more info on people who had the shots.
had 3 and am pretty sure I have got long Covid. I never got covid itself.
There's plenty of info out there, but not from the so-called authorities. It is their MO to keep their heads buried in the sand while their pockets are being lined.
JennyStokes - you cannot get Long Covid without first getting Covid, just like you cannot get to age 10 before getting to age 5 first (i.e. getting Covid is a necessary pre-requisite for having Long Covid).
I agree the jabs are not part of a plan for mass death or mind control, just the usual enslavement of keeping us fat, sick and on drugs for as long as possible to make lots of money.
The jabs are a truly remarkable feat of science. Not only do they not kill or injure 100% of people they seem to have allowed your body to expel an alleged infection, which it does with inflammation, fever, cough, mucus production and tiredness so quietly and discretely that you weren't even aware it was doing so! Increase in antibody titre occurs during the convalescent phase which comes after a healing crisis so it's even more remarkable that the antibody producing jabs were able to help with this tip toeing around your body.
Isn't it more likely that the reason you thought you 'got' covid was a false positive or that the test is for sequences or proteins never shown to come from a virus?
Same here Patrick. And I can still miraculously walk and talk at the same time.
I agree, but these acts of societal disruption have been going on for decades, although they have become much more numerous.
Absolutely, but I think that you would agree that it has accelerated with the plandemic, forced jabs, censorship, etc.
"...but I think that you would agree that it has accelerated with the plandemic, forced jabs, censorship, etc."
I said as much.
Unproven by who? The authorities that you still trust to tell you that the genocide that's happening to the Palestinians is justified?
- "I even once saw an actual Nazi on these threads" - why didn't you confront it? I have, and I've been hounded by the pack of hyenas those few types are able to maintain
- as to the rest of your grievances, you don't have to read comments if you don't want to
- and, you're not as innocent as you try to present yourself. Your obnoxious playing dumb attitude deserves some scolding too.
There are two major reasons that people accept the genocide happening in Gaza. First is that they want money more than they care about who has to die so that they can have money. Those people are just flat out disgusting. Second is that they were brainwashed since kindergarten to believe that Israel is the promised land and it is the right of all Jews. But many Jews inside and outside of Israel have seen that brainwashing and more see it every day. Watch the doc, Israelism if you can.
Whenever I hear of anyone dying these days, I think that at least they won't have to go through the demise of our world, which is what seems to be happening. Many of us are not sitting by and allowing this to happen. But most of us have little or no power to stop it. Small victories sometimes. The Jewish Children's Library here agreed to put a book back on the shelf after removing it because the author had criticized Israel on social media.
"Already we’re seeing the Biden administration’s attacks on Yemen, Iraq and Syria receiving way more pushback than such aggressions normally would".........maybe. I have been in some really big demos against various wars and none of those wars were ever stopped because of people pushing back. They were stopped for financial reasons, usually. I remember in the 70's and 80's many of us thought that things would improve from there. They didn't.
In addition, most humans want to be on the side perceived as stronger.
In this case, if you live in a western country, fighting zionism is perceived as futile.
I am not sure what you mean by stringer. I live in a Western country (Canada) and I know lots of people who speak out against Zionism, especially now. How do you fight it other than speaking about how damaging it has been and continues to be?
Stronger, sorry.
Very astute observations Susan
yes.. Kent State never stopped the US butchering Southeast Asia.. but it did get some students shot.
Do let me know when that pompous ass Bono says Gonzalo Lira’s name, much less that of Ed Snowden or Julian Assange
If the pompous ass does say the name it will be to condemn them for his masters..Bono reminds me of Renfield in the Dracula series
Well said Caitlin. I totally agree with you that Gaza is a red line regarding any credibility. I am totally with you on this and feel disgusted every single day by what the Western Govts and Anglo Saxon nations are doing. D I s g u s t e d!
Thank you for allowing me to be in good company (yourself) dear Caitlin.
Gaza is a redline for me as well. I have (so far) cut off three in-laws over this subject. I won’t be attending hubby’s nephew’s wedding this summer because they’ll be present, and if I had my way, things would get ugly 😉 Don’t wanna ruin anybody’s happy day!
I’m also distancing myself from a longtime friend who says she “doesn’t like the war” but is nevertheless an ardent Genocide Joe supporter. I won’t say I’m angry with her; just extremely disappointed.
If I end up with no relationships whatever over this, it will still be worth being on the correct side!
I'm having a HARD time too with some family inlaws and some friends.. The onion layers of their steadfast false beliefs and propaganda soaked mindsets is something i am truly in disappointment of.. My faith in humanity is at an all time low.
I’m having the same issues with some of my dear ones. I don’t hang out with my sister-in-law anymore, only see her when go to my brother’s home on special occasions. I missed the local Mardi Gras parade this last Sunday b/c I didn’t want to be around her nor her aunt, who believes America has to support Israel so America will be blessed or some complete bullshit. My sister-in-law seems to believe or she did earlier that there shouldn’t be a ceasefire b/c she said “Hamas has hostages,” but never mind that Israel has held Palestinians in Israeli prisons for decades. It’s really been disheartening, but I’m not changing my views on Palestine/Gaza for ANYONE.
Its an unsettling thing to watch people you know be so full of double standards that it ruins your respect for them... even people i like and admire are so caught up in western propaganda and a life time of mind control they have been under as well as this unhinged anger reacting to any hint they may have been fooled and wrong their entire lives..they cling to it all like a security blanket..
All of this is reminding me of my own family talking about fascism creep back in the 40's and it sounds so eerily familiar to today where everyone sorta went along with it back then and today in the privileged west they all have a computer in their pockets with the knowledge of the whole world at their fingertips and yet are the most ill informed propagandized people on earth.. Granted the establishment curates the lies through media but dam its unnerving to hear them lap it all up like so much Jim Jones fruit punch...
Ironically, Chaz, I still love one SIL who is a Zionist “Christian”. But she has the good sense to not speak about it to me, and we have a very long history of a loving relationship.
And she understands exactly what my position is.
I’m not sure if this is hypocritical or not.
You have us Gypsy.
Hugs and xxxx's
Thanks Jenny ❤️ I feel much closer to people like you than I do to people in my real life. It’s so damned heartening to know that there are others out there who share my beliefs and sentiments!
You’re da BEST Jenny!
Ha. Thanks to Caitlin for giving us a place to comment and also make friends.
Have lost so many friends through my life because I don't take shit. Only miss a few.xxxxxxx
I was born in the 1950's and educated (indoctrinated in many respects) in the 1960's and being axiomatically anti-war and anti-imperialism and anti-authority and skeptical of media based on the Vietnam war, I never really delved into the details of US foreign policy (with limited exceptions like central America and Iraq), so I plead guilty to not paying attention, especially to the Middle East. I was fed - and largely swallowed uncritically - the post WW II line on The Holocaust, never again, and Israel as a socialist kibbutz based western liberal progressive country. Being bombarded with that and having zero information on Palestine contributed to an irresponsible ignorance on my part (and almost all my peers).
So, while my gut was correct on strongly opposing recent Biden administration disasters in Ukraine and Israel, this time I drilled down on the details and I was and continue to be astounded and appalled at the lies, hypocrisy, and downright evil of the US empire (and media, and academic institutions, and .... everyone targeted in Chris Hedges's classic "Death of the Liberal Class").
I still often reflect: "it was never this bad", but I'm coming around to the view that it always was this bad, and that I was just not paying attention. These kind of reflections create a sickening in the soul.
Here's the feeling I'm talking about:
"… Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died." ~~~ Everybody Knows, Leonard Cohen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu8u9ZbCJgQ
But a good sickening. To me it proves that there was always an inkling inside that something wasn’t quite right, but I was busy resisting elsewhere else and couldn’t be informed about ALL the trouble the CIA was stirring up everywhere it could. It took Hamas to show us how utterly corrupt Israel and AIPAC and US foreign policy was in the Middle East and while I feel incredible rage at what is happening, I know I can now take action to support the Gazan Martyr’s and try to push a few more meat puppets out of their comfortable complacency and into being sickened. Also, didn’t you already do a big protest and quit your job to make an ethical point. That’s more than most of us do in our lives. Bless your soul.
You can't close your eyes after you've seen what's really going on. Thank goodness. Now what will we do about it?
Hi Diana
Never underestimate putting intense pressure on your elected officials. I’ve mentioned this before here:
I called my US congressman three times a day at his Washington office demanding that he sign onto Cori Bush’s proposed legislation for a ceasefire. Finally, I told his staffers there that I had no problem sitting on the steps of his local office bearing a big sign that read “So-and-so supports genocide!”
Next time I looked at Code Pink’s list of signatories, by god and Sonny Jesus, there was his name .
Good for you! And I do put pressure on my elected officials.
A drive or campaign to remove those with dual nationalities/passports from government positions would be useful to remove foreign agents from government. No-one with any foreign allegiance should be permitted anywhere near the controls of a country & its culture especially so when the foreign power is primitive, barbaric, and brim full of hatred for everyone else on the planet who is not part of their ethnostate because they chose the wrong mother to be born to.
"You can't close your eyes after you've seen what's really going on. Thank goodness. Now what will we do about it?"
OMG, you are looking to take an ass-whooping. I have been asking that question for a long time, and I received much derision for my effort.
Maybe its how you say it.
"Maybe its how you say it."
Only to those who are too goddamn 'touchy-feely.'
What's with you and Russian bot with all this touching and feeling creep rhetoric?
"What's with you and Russian bot with all this touching and feeling creep rhetoric?"
Since you don't know what it means, why don't you Google 'touchy-feely'?
What’s so bad about derision? Every moral leader in the world and across time has gotten derided. It’s kind of proof that you are on the right track.
"What’s so bad about derision?"
It is mainly used by those who have no logical reasoning.
"Every moral leader in the world and across time has gotten derided. It’s kind of proof that you are on the right track."
That's the kind of illogical reasoning I was talking about in my comment above.
No person in history has been derided more than Adolf Hitler... a 'moral leader on the right track'?
I think israel is an insane nation for insane people and should be remanded into a nut house for the criminally insane.. not parked next door as your neighbor again.
That’s a good one. Bravo.
One thing's for sure, there's no chance it is going to stop doing what its doing on its own. There are those who claim to be friends of Israel. Friends don't let friends commit genocide!
There you go again—“ there’s not much we can do…”. Whine, whine, whinge cringe. But then when you’re given something to do, you spend all this energy saying ooooo no, we can’t do that and trying to persuade others to agree. You are a backbone free zone. No wonder you’re so scared.
They deleted their comment for some reason..
I can't even call friends,"friends" anymore. I thought it was so very clear. They refuse to see.
It is all by design. the increase in propaganda and the increase of aggression are directly connected. What's wrong with people's internal navigation systems? The inudation of manipulation has throroughly corrupted their thought proccess as intended. These people are the idea citizens in the dystopian society, they are exactly what the government wants. To consume so much propaganda that you are disconnected from reality.
They can't have informed intelligent responses. That's not possible with propaganda as it is its anti-thesis. So they have oneliners from propagandists to create thought termination, that results in the end of discussion. You see this in politics with party loyalty to the point of blindness. The issue of Gaza is an issue both US parties agree on...or is it bomb on? That's because war in the US will always ultimately be bipartisan and you only achieve that through manufacturing consent with propaganda. What you see with people getting wrong on Gaza is the whole purpose of what the government seeks to achieve en masse.
"It is all by design. the increase in propaganda…"
We can thank Obama for the increase in propaganda after he rescinded the Smith-Mundt act which forbade the government from using propaganda on Americans.
Yes - more and more they have found ways to legalize the pervasive Corruption and Totalitarianism. The US Constitution no longer means a damn thing to the politicians and the oligarchs who buy them out.
That's why building a brick and mortar holocaust museum in every city was designed to do render critical thought burred under a mountain of guilt inducing emotional investments in the story so it creates perpetual reparations and shields their on going ethnic cleansing planed from the day after they stole the keys off the British..
1948movie.com
"I try to cultivate diverse and heterodox information sources, but not so diverse and heterodox that it thinks genocide and ethnic cleansing are fine. Keep an open mind but not so open your brain falls out, as they say."
Same here. At first I was a bit sad to say good-bye to people whom I thought were my friends. But as the genocide has continued on and they've yet to say anything indicating that it even exists, I've come to turns with our parting. If a person is okay with thousands of civilian deaths and casualties--especially little children-- then obviously they're a sociopath. It's safer to stay far away from them. I just hate the idea that there are so many sociopaths in the US.