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“Know how you can tell it no longer matters who the US president is? They stopped getting assassinated.”

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

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jamenta's avatar

Yeah - that was a gem of a line.

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pretzelattack's avatar

it was a great line, but i prefer her argument that it doesn't matter who gets elected. only reason it mattered with Trump was he was such a chaos agent, he agreed with most of the Empire's goals, just like JFK.

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russian_bot's avatar

What people don't seem to grasp about usefulness of Trump is exactly that - he discloses the empire goals, puts them on display, exposes the brown-nosers, etc. I.e., he facilitates the ultimate destruction of the Empire. That's why he's hated by the deep state and fought tooth and nail.

The "lesser evil" religion adherents - that should be the "lesser evil" you'd vote for if you were true to your ultimate goals. Not vote blue no matter what. But maybe that's your actual goal - to keep the empire, just put some lipstick on its' pig mug.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

I think you misunderstand Trump's "strategy". Trump pretends to "expose the empire" - but he is very much a part of the empire. He hides behind the guise of "exposing the empire" to forment resentment, etc. against the prevailing establishment - all in an effort to use said resentment towards his own purposes and goals. (one can call these strategies "populist" strategies).

He uses other techniques of divide-and-conquer and "us-vs-them" to prevent people from uniting against the empire.

He is very much a core component of the empire - he just uses different strategies to achieve his objectives.

A lot more can be said and gleamed on the subject from books such as "How Fascism Works" by Jason Stanley and "Strongmen: How They Rise, Why They Succeed, How They Fall" by Ruth Ben-Ghiat.

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I don't misunderstand anything. If you listened to what he was saying when he was president then you would have heard how he voiced what every other bureaucrat would hide. Whether it's because he's stupid or he doesn't care I don't know. But he's loud about it.

Or did you not hear? Did you not observe the European elites reaction? Why was it such? Why was the US elite and punditry horrified when he said something like "we're in Syria for oil"? Is it not the exposition?

The rest of your "indictment" of Trump is just regurgitating of the TDS sufferers talking points. Save them for those who have been hard of hearing.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"The rest of your "indictment" of Trump is just regurgitating of the TDS sufferers talking points. Save them for those who have been hard of hearing."

Wow - what a cogent rebuttal. Amazing logic. So everything against Trump is TDS? Fantastic. So nothing Trump ever does is questionable? So Trump can never do any wrong? So Trump can never be criticized for his "words" or "actions"? And if he is - then anyone criticizing him is displaying "TDS"? You should consider joining a debate team - I love your nuanced and finely-thought out defense in favor of Trump.

>>"Or did you not hear? Did you not observe the European elites reaction? Why was it such? Why was the US elite and punditry horrified when he said something like "we're in Syria for oil"?"

Everything Trump says is obvious - at least to people that understand how empires work. There is nothing new or revealing about any of Trump's statements. Only people that have weak critical thinking skills, are naive, or are oblivious to politics, consider Trump's "revelations" as insightful.

And again, you do misunderstand Trump's strategy. His "revelation" and "exposing" is a guise - he is exactly as much part of the empire as all the people he is "exposing".

All these politicians (conservative or liberal, right-wing or left-wing, Republicans or Democrats) work for the empire. In terms of the empire, there is no difference. They just use different strategies to gain power. Trump's strategy is to pretend to "expose the Deep State" - while very much being a part of the same.

He (Trump) uses simple manipulation tricks like calling everything against him as "fake news" - thinking that if he shouts out "fake news" that he is somehow immune from creating such "fake news" - that he if he yells it loud enough and often enough that people will be guiled into believing him. He uses the same strategy when he says "everybody is lying". He thinks he can insulate himself from his own lies by accusing everyone else of doing the same. That is such a common strategy of misdirection and deflection that I'm surprised that more people (especially Trump supporters) don't see through it.

And of course, he loves "playing the victim". All strongmen do - Bolsonaro, Mussollini, Mobutu, Putin, Pinochet, Hitler, Gaddafi, Modi, Erdogan, Orban, Berlusconni, Franco, Duarte,...

There is nothing new about "Trump". People only think so because they have an inadequate knowledge and understanding of history AND an inability to critically think about relationships in behavior patterns.

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JennyStokes's avatar

SO. Trump speaks the truth?

Yes I agree but you really do not know his agenda because he is a 'small' bully in a big crowd of people. HE IS NO DIFFERENT.

Wait for the 'jackboots' coming to your door in the middle of the night because you didn't vote for him. Geeeeez

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DAC's avatar

It's call lying. Wake up. GOVERNMENT IS THE ENEMY OF ALL PEOPLE. THE US IS A CORPORATION. YOU ARE PART OF THE CHATEL. You ARE OWNED BY THE STATE. YOU ARE NOT ALIVE. NEVER ADMIT TO BEING THE UPPERCASE NAME.

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Jack Lomax's avatar

Well yes. But only the one who wouldn't take no for an answer JFK got assassinated . Nixon got watergated out with smooth plot against him. Carter got demonised out and all was well for the system since then. Sleepy Joe will soon be replaced by. Trump and he will either fall in line or fall over. But why wouldn't Trump fall in line against the Palestinians ? He did get the Zionist's HQ into West Jerusalem

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Dr.Who's avatar

The only way Trump would be different is he’d openly cheer on the genocide, instead of denying it like the current puppets.

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Realist's avatar

Got a solution???

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JennyStokes's avatar

Yes. Do not vote or if you do vote for a 3d party but not RFK

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Realist's avatar

I agree, but I am so disillusioned with this country that the electoral process is inextricably destroyed.

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russian_bot's avatar

You said you already had a solution yet you keep soiling the forum with your stupid question.

And you call me a troll. Shut up and get to work already!

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Bernadene Zennie's avatar

Uhm...so far. presidential assassination attempts are a little easier to deflect these days. Unless of course it’s what the CIA wants. Don’t count any chickens these days before they are hatched

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Dr.Who's avatar

I stopped watching at The Free Press - which is more a zionist murderous press than a free one.

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BJ's avatar

I sent that to all the people I'm familiar with on these Substacks - I've not watched nor owned a TV in 25 years. I do however stay informed solely to keep track of the extent of the subterfuge but there are no words for this!! None. I am in absolute utter shock and disbelief. It's akin to someone being terminated for saying the sky is blue. The man did and said absolutely nothing wrong. He simply stated fact that the Israel press stated as well. I'm just shocked. This is beyond gaslighting. This is beyond anything you could possibly fathom. He was just sitting there and merely spoke about what had already been publicized. They're really turning up the heat with this. What's next? Gaza never took place? No one was murdered? No one ever died? It's scary!

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Dr.Who's avatar

Correct. They will write the history they want to write (and have been writing). The news is what they say it is. If you challenge it even after it has been refuted, you will pay. The Free Press played a significant role in the murder of Dr. Refaat Alareer along with his sister and her 4 children. These people are deranged psychopaths masquerading as human beings and they have captured institutions of importance here, public or private.

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gypsy33's avatar

Don’t forget the very probable involvement of LBJ as well, Che

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BJ's avatar

Have you guys all seen this? Unbelievable! Israel is spending one billion dollars on this propaganda campaign and as I've said previously, apparently the NYP is their greatest recipient! This is truly unbelievable - the extent they are going to!

https://nypost.com/2024/01/25/news/nyu-professor-tells-students-hamas-baby-killings-not-true/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20240125?&utm_source=sailthru&lctg=6079ac59703029470392d35d&utm_term=NYP%20-%20News%20Alerts

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Dr.Who's avatar

Apparently there were patsies in 2 other cities prior to DAL

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Contrarian 33's avatar

"Know how you can tell it no longer matters who the US president is? They stopped getting assassinated.” Caitlin, today.

Well, Dr.Who, that was the very line from Caitlin today that I had copied to add for a comment as well.

The JFK assassination on 22 November, 1963 was well planned and as a result, they achieved their objective. All the presidents from that day on have displayed the same lack of total loyalty to and concern for the USA, the new ground rules having been initiated by Johnson, still in place today.

What is happening in Gaza, all approved by a US President, and even worse, supported by almost all the US government, representing all the American people.

Until you read from the UNZ Archive, Mark H. Gaffney’s article (See https://www.unz.com/article/the-zionist-coup-against-kennedy/.) and examine all the circumstances, presidential commands to US aircraft trying to save a US Navy vessel in 1967 (See USS Liberty, June 8th,1967) you will go to your grave wondering why the USA is as it has now become today.

June 8th, 1967 was my first day as an advocate for Palestine.

Also.......

June 8th, 1967….. The very same day that Israel must have realised that “We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”

Statement by Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported ...

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Mike Fish's avatar

You’ve got a pretty good memory for an old timer.

All I can remember is it was 67’ or 68’ when I got on board with the Palestinian liberation project.

But, then, I can’t remember what day it was when I quit drinin’ either.

I just know that both awakenings changed the way I looked at things and conducted myself.

We’ve been waiting far too long for Palestinian autonomy.

that’s for god damn sure.

Kennedy gettin’ killed didn’t bother me nearly as much as Palestinians gettin’ bulldozed over and over and over again.

That much I do remember.

One crime occurred in an instant.

One continues for over 75 years, with a lot more deaths and misery.

And, the victims, almost exclusively, have clean hands.

Always nice to hear from a fellow contrarian, and justice warrior.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

I think I can assume Mike, that you come from a country where all your politicians support Israel, providing you are white, Anglo/ Christian and speak English. That's the greatest crime in my book. In my country, both parties.

Something I will never accept.

A whole Western world that has sold off its values to bribery and corruption. I am pleased therefore that I am old and know that I won't have to look at these grafters for much longer, many of whom I thought had value, were honest and worthy of a place in the Parliament.

No more. Their true values, supporting Israel and genocide and dictated to by the world's #1 criminal are evident every day, impacting every decision they make. They have sold out, my country now just another US vassal state.

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Mike Fish's avatar

I was hatched in the United Snakes.

From what I know about the relationship between them (I said them for a reason) and their toadies, keep your vassal-een handy.

This is a rape culture here.

You pickin’ up what I’m puttin’ down.

Puttin’ not Putin.

They hate him unequivocally over here.

And I hate “them” unequivocally, over here.

Merica, that is.

Not Russians.

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pretzelattack's avatar

JFK didn't display much loyalty or concern for the USA when he was lying about Russian missiles, or taking the world to the brink of war over the USSR's attempt at nuclear parity in Cuba. The Liberty just confirms to me the likelihood that Israel was behind whacking JFK for opposing its nuclear ambitions, and for that matter makes Sirhan Sirhan's motivatiion for whacking RFK more credible.

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Penelope Prill's avatar

pretzel attack, nobody said JFK was without sin. He did want peace, dude. THAT is colossal in my book.

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Not only was he without sin, i think he would have been the biggest warmonger of all if he had not been assassinated. Cuba, dude. That pointless exercise of US power in the service of US hegemony, and the way he covered up afterward by pretending the Russians had backed down due to his posturing, with the associated lie by omission of the subsequent withdrawal of US missiles in Turkey that had provoked the USSR in the first place, showed that his warmonger reputation was more important to him the the safety of everyone in the world.

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BJ's avatar

Have you seen this? Unbelievable! Israel is spending one billion dollars on this propaganda campaign and as I've said previously, apparently the NYP is their greatest recipient! This is truly unbelievable - the extent they are going to!

https://nypost.com/2024/01/25/news/nyu-professor-tells-students-hamas-baby-killings-not-true/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20240125?&utm_source=sailthru&lctg=6079ac59703029470392d35d&utm_term=NYP%20-%20News%20Alerts

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pretzelattack's avatar

he compromised because his bluff got called and he didn't want his elitist fascist ass blown up. the touching faith people have in this family of fascists and con artists is misplaced. RFK Jr walking the family walk, selling out people who want to believe in the myth while he apologizes for genocide and his son fought for the nazis in Ukraine.

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Perhaps you need to take a step back and look at the long dirty history of US presidents. There are no saints in that group only sinners, presidents are liars, the best liars in their respective political party. They are also generally narcissistic megalomaniacs that get off on the pursuit and application of power. This is true regardless if they are US presidents or leaders in other nations. The same behavior exists in all "leaders" the desire to rule over others and a ruthless streak to achieve that end.

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Penelope Prill's avatar

pretzel, is your bbf Ben Shapiro?

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gypsy33's avatar

Sirhan was said to have been hypnotized by IsraHelli operatives, which is why he had no memory of it.

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Coincidentally, 1967 may have been the year Israel built its first two nuclear weapons (see, for example, the report by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists at https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1177/0096340214555409). It is still widely believed the fissile material used in those bombs was “stolen” from the U.S. Navy. Israel and the U.S. maintain ambiguity about the existence of Israeli nuclear weapons, though enough information has been leaked to verify that Israel has bombs/warheads and the means to deliver them (via U.S. supplied aircraft, as well as by Israeli missiles appropriately named “Jericho” after one of the more celebrated genocides in Hebrew scripture). Current estimates are that Israel has at least 80 weapons, though some believe it may have as many as 400—either way, Israel has enough weapons to deter any serious Arab or Iranian aggression. If Israeli actions in Gaza prove anything, it is that Israel will not hesitate to use nuclear weapons to destroy any other nation.

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Dr.Who's avatar

Including any “ally”

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russian_bot's avatar

Based on interviews with Leslie Groves there are speculations that Truman didn't really authorize atomic bombings. The military went ahead so the ultimate test could be conducted. Truman had to backdate his "authorization".

Of course, now Japanese seem to be grateful for the US showing them the errors of their ways. What a groveling nation it turned out to be.

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Do you know how covered in U.S. bases they are? How they must let the troops and sailors from those multiple bases rape their daughters? Read the 'Blow Back' trilogy by Chalmers Johnson. I don't know that it's called a trilogy, but it's a series of books done by the Investigator sent by the Pentagon to investigate the rapes of girls around out bases there.

Chalmers Johnson uncovered at least three books worth of U.S. skullduggery starting with that investigation. He couldn't write fast enough for all the information he uncovered since that assignment.

https://tomdispatch.com/chalmers-johnson-on-the-cia-and-a-blowback-world/

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russian_bot's avatar

The Japanese could have taken a cue from Palestinians. But they won't.

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Ellen MHa's avatar

You have to understand the might of the U.S. and its Allies after WWII to grasp Japan's forced obedience. They had NO power to say no. After all they played a nasty part in the war.

Having that cudgel over your nation's head is not a pleasant thing. You'll do what your told and that's it. They've only experienced a smidgen of self determinism in the past decade or there abouts. Now we want them armed to the teeth to do our bidding against China.

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BJ's avatar

Have you guys all seen this? Unbelievable! Israel is spending one billion dollars on this propaganda campaign and as I've said previously, apparently the NYP is their greatest recipient! This is truly unbelievable - the extent they are going to!

https://nypost.com/2024/01/25/news/nyu-professor-tells-students-hamas-baby-killings-not-true/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20240125?&utm_source=sailthru&lctg=6079ac59703029470392d35d&utm_term=NYP%20-%20News%20Alerts

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russian_bot's avatar

Not surprising at all.

I check NYP once in a while and after Oct 7 it's been a sewer for Israel propaganda. Which could not be other than paid for.

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BJ's avatar

I can't believe they suspended him for telling the truth! It wasn't even the truth per se but factual! What shocked me was the unbearable distortion of what they are claiming! OMG! Where are we headed?

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Contrarian 33's avatar

Sorry. I was responding to Dr.Who who had quoted the same line from Caitlin. It went in immediately under his comment but was moved, so it seems to me. Hard to control where things end up.

I will find "Template for Terror", and thanks. By the way, I strongly recommend the Mark Gaffrey list of attendees in Dallas. The Governor was there and would not change the route for JFK's car. Lots of other interesting pieces in Mark's writing as well. It has been my reference on the whole sad story

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Penelope Prill's avatar

PERFECT

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Ahnaf Ibn Qais's avatar

‘Peace’ without Dignity is a Farce.

The Resistance knows this, which is why they fight for the Palestinians & their rights.

Liberation is the only acceptable outcome.‘Peace’ that lacks dignity is not worth having!

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David Avenell's avatar

It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

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(For those interested)

If you wish to read (& listen!) to more of My commentary, here is my Main Stack:

https://thefallofthewest.substack.com

Thank You Kindly to everyone!

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Dr.Who's avatar

That’s not peace, thats justice which is a state of being alien to the Empire.

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Levi Tate's avatar

Zionist treachery and betrayal committed against their own people

to create in them, through falsehoods, murderous blood lust.

In order to harness their worst nature and commit genocide

against Palestinians. All this for the grasping at a brass ring

of ancient psychopathic delusions.

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I’d just like to comment on the idea that Israel is ‘losing the information war’ in Gaza. In my opinion this is accepting Israel’s framing of the issue in a subtle way. As they put it in the article shown, Hamas has a ‘well oiled psychological and information warfare machine’. But this isn’t true of course. What is happening is people around the world are bearing witness the a mass slaughter in their name, and they don’t like it. Only a psychopath would think that there must be a comms strategy behind posting pictures of dead children and saying ‘stop this madness’. There is no ‘information war’: there is information, and then there is propaganda. If Israel stopped producing dumb videos of tunnels under hospitals and their soldiers spent less time on tiktok goofing around the ruins of homes and schools they had just destroyed, maybe they wouldn’t be quite so reviled. But ultimately, there just isn’t a way to murder thousands of men, women and children that looks good. Stop killing people, there’s your comms strategy.

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Part of fighting an info war is pushing your own propaganda. The other part is silencing opposing views, esp those based on facts. The lies you tell are worthless if there is no containment of the narrative. In that way, they (among others) have lost the war.

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“…. The Biden administration’s justifications for its acts of war in Yemen are premised on the absurd assumption that the world economy should march on completely uninhibited during an active genocide…..”

Well notably, a week ago at the World Economic Forum at Davos, which is run by the economic elite that pay Biden…..they platformed Mr Zelensky to play pretend solider, claim he wants peace, and promise to hand over his country for free to “investors”:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2024/01/zelenskyy-ukraine-business-investment-davos/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/16/world/europe/ukraine-zelensky-davos-switzerland-peace.html

But the same WEF elite at Davos …had NO place the leader of Hamas nor the leader of Fatah or any other palestinian organization. And they did it while even trawling out shamen and all sorts of native people. But the palestinians - crickets?

Why? Because ALL the colonial elite of the USA and Europe indeed ALL believe that the world economy should go undisturbed during THEIR active, full-scale invasion genocide of palestine. Thus they attack the Yemeni’s….while giving the Israeli murder regime weapons ships and money to blockade Gaza since 2007!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

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"Well notably, a week ago at the World Economic Forum at Davos, which is run by the economic elite that pay Biden….."

They also pay whoever the Republican Presidential candidate will be. The Deep State, Power Elite, or whatever you choose to call them, control this country.

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"Know how you can tell it no longer matters who the US president is? They stopped getting assassinated."

I'm beginning to wonder if they EVER mattered. As long as the oligarchy has their way, the president stays in office. If the president starts acting up like he has his own ideas, they have to get rid of him. I think nowadays they don't want to waste bullets so they just wait until they self-destruct like Biden is doing. He's going down as "Genocide Joe" forever and taking all the attention away from the MIC and focusing it on himself. That's his job, apparently. What an idiot sociopath.

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The Russia’s foreign minister has reiterated Moscow’s support for Palestinian statehood, and announced plans to present proposals to resolve the crisis in the Middle East at the United Nations Security Council next week. How will Arab World respond to Russia’s overtures? Sputnik asked a veteran Saudi foreign affairs observer.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240118/russias-push-for-palestinian-state-can-help-stop-endless-loop-of-regional-violence-1116253156.html

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Have you guys all seen this? Unbelievable! Israel is spending one billion dollars on this propaganda campaign and as I've said previously, apparently the NYP is their greatest recipient! This is truly unbelievable - the extent they are going to!

https://nypost.com/2024/01/25/news/nyu-professor-tells-students-hamas-baby-killings-not-true/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20240125?&utm_source=sailthru&lctg=6079ac59703029470392d35d&utm_term=NYP%20-%20News%20Alerts

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"Israel isn’t relentlessly murderous and abusive because it’s run by Jews, it’s relentlessly murderous and abusive because that’s the only way to maintain an ethnostate that was abruptly dropped on top of an already existing civilization. This would be true if it’d been a Mormon state or a Romani state."

So true. And this is why supporting the Palestinians is not anti-Jewish, it's anti-genocide. The Israeli/Zionist Jews have (by and large, not universally) become poster children for the saying "Hurt people hurt people." This must stop.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

I wonder if it isn't more like "Using hurt people to hurt other people for the benefit of those doing the using, who themselves may not be hurting at all."

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I'm sure there is some of that going on too. But by and large, I suspect the fear and paranoia that drive the majority of Israelis to support their government's actions in Gaza (and the West Bank) derive from their own trauma, and the trauma passed down to them by their parents and grandparents, their culture and long history.

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But also need to understand the political impact pro-Israeli groups \like AiPAC which exist to lobby the Congress with financial

bribery , influence peddling and public propaganda to continue

supporting Israel with arms, missiles, detection systems; to continue the genocide

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“Don’t ask if the world would be better without a Hamas, ask if the world would be better without the conditions which make a Hamas inevitable.” 👍🏻👍🏻

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Deena Stryker's avatar

Catelin grows every day bigger into her role.

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JennyStokes's avatar

If anyone reads the British News...............here we go again.

The idea is to transport most illegal aliens from Britain to Rwanda.

How does that work out for the people of Rwanda?

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russian_bot's avatar

"These things would happen regardless of what those respective ethnic and religious makeups happen to be."

Right, now watch Jew-haters flood the comments with their "expert" brain-farting insisting it's Jews and Judaism, and not Israel, that's at the core of the problem. Those are to be saluted with Heil Hitler!

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andy tonti's avatar

Actually the influencer here is the Zionist ideology, which has indoctrinated Israel society through its educational function.

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Bernadene Zennie's avatar

Since the 1800s

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russian_bot's avatar

Not according to the ones I mentioned. They'll soon descend here and straighten you out.

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Mike Fish's avatar

I don’t know, Che.

Explain this to me like I’m a two year old.

Israel is self proclaimed Jewish state, correct?

Not the Zionist state of Israel, correct?

Those vile Tic Tok videos are made by people who identify as Jewish, correct?

Amaleck, a term being bandied about, is a judaeo-christian idea, not a Zionist concept, isn’t it?

Are Jewish people, by and large, on board with the Israel project, or are they in opposition to the state of Israel being imposed upon the Palestinians?

There seems to be lots and lots and lots of people who identify as Jewish, that are completely on board with the ongoing genocide of the Palestinians.

To compare and contrast, I look at the indigenous people of North America.

They’re American citizens.

But, they are not on board with the U$A project of world domination, or even continental domination for that matter.

They clearly distinguish themselves from the U$A project.

I don’t see the same type of resistance from Israeli Jews.

I see active participation in the Israel project, and an almost universal willingness to profit from the spoils of settler colonialism in Palestine.

It’s been going on for 75+ years, and I don’t see much pushback, given all of that time elapsed.

At what point does Zionism and Judaism become a distinction without a difference?

But, then, I think that all of this superstitious, holy books, garbage should be relegated to a dumpster, where it belongs.

It’s used as an excuse to fuck up North America, where I was hatched.

And, It’s used to fuck up Palestine, and just about everywhere else that religion is allowed to taint people’s daily lives.

If that makes me a Jew hater, then all I can say is bring it on.

It’s kinda like that trope anti-Semite.

Just an ineffective slur that lazy people use, to avoid having a discussion/debate, and a way to avoid having to examine their belief system.

If Jews really are a peace loving people, (whatever it is that a Jew is), I ask myself, how many Jews actually exist?

A few hundred?

Then maybe the real holocaust is Zionism, not some horrible events that took place in Germany.

I’m just looking for answers, Che.

Trying to direct my disdain where it properly belongs.

I think that the Russian Tot desires to silence questions/ideas, and impose his theories on everyone else, so I won’t engage that motherfucker.

He says he’s not in the habit of explaining his assertions.

I’ve come to know you as a different breed of cat.

Dog?

Horse? (that one’s for the gypsy33)

Man.

Have a good day, bro.

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Mike Fish's avatar

Favorable!!!!!

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Hopefully they'll sit this one out?

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russian_bot's avatar

I should have withheld the salutation padding. Too close for comfort.

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Karl Drinkwater's avatar

"Pay less attention to people’s words about wanting “peace” and focus instead on what actions they are supporting to accomplish that end. This will show you the truth about what they really want."

That reminds me of how you should look closely at anyone who accuses another of antisemitism. What are they really saying? I made these notes today:

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I'm sick of being told lies. Two facts.

1. Anyone who accuses another person of antisemitism is racist.

2. Any organisation adopting the IHRA definition of antisemitism is institutionally racist.

Firstly, Judaism is only one of the Semitic cultures. "Semitic" refers to Aramaic, Arabic, and Hebrew. Arabs, Ethiopians, and Arameans are also Semitic cultures yet are excluded from inclusion or protection under the term "antisemitism". It erases their voices and rights and only focusses on one culture, Judaism. The term antisemitism (as bandied around) is already fundamentally racist. It appropriates other cultures and silences vulnerable voices. It is primarily used to silence criticism of Israel's murderous actions: apartheid, genocide, illegal occupation, land theft. Israel was artificially created in 1948 (with full support from the English) amidst bloodshed and injustice against those whose land was stolen. Palestinians (as Arabs) are just as Semitic as Jews, yet those flinging racist accusations of antisemitism always exclude Palestinians (and every other Semitic culture) from their concern. Thus, to accuse someone of antisemitism is to reveal your inherent racism. Tories and Labour are both openly racist in the way they try to weaponise this controversial (and meaningless) term.

Secondly, if a definition needs "adopting" it is a warning sign that it is politically controversial. Heed that. We don't have to "adopt" a definition of racism, sexism or ageism because the meaning is unambiguous and clear. Racism is prejudice and discrimination on the grounds of skin colour or where someone was born. Sexism is prejudice and discrimination on the grounds of sex. Ageism is prejudice and discrimination on the grounds of age. We don't need to "adopt" anything.

Likewise the concept can be applied to belief systems. Anti-Christian (prejudice and discrimination on the grounds of someone being Christian), anti-Paganism (prejudice and discrimination on the grounds of someone being Pagan), anti-Judaism (prejudice and discrimination on the grounds of someone being Jewish). No definition needs adopting unless there is something suspicious going on. And you don't have to look far for what is being covered up. The controversial IHRA definition excludes the majority of Semitic cultures when it tries to define antisemitism. In this case it is an attempt to stifle criticism of Israel/Zionism by trying to falsely equate Israel with Judaism. Israel is not Judaism, as most Jews around the world will tell you - look up Jewish Voice for Peace to see how opposed many Jews are to Israel and its apartheid/genocide. The IHRA definition is a racist attempt to manipulate perceptions and politics and stifle criticism of Israel so that Palestinians can be erased from history, as is happening while I type this. It's why many claims of "the rise of antisemitism" are completely misleading, as legitimate criticism of the Israeli apartheid and genocide end up being falsely classed as antisemitic, when they are actually calls for justice and peace. The controversial IHRA definition of antisemitism means many peaceful Jews are classified as antisemitic, which shows how broken, corrupt and misleading this definition is.

I propose two things. One: any organisation that adopted the controversial IHRA definition of antisemitism should repeal it immediately, because to keep it is to promote racism, and only illustrates that the organisation supports genocide and apartheid. That includes DG Council. Two: any time you hear someone accuse another person of antisemitism, you should shout "Awa an boil yer heid, ya racist bam". Particularly if they are a politician. The concept of antisemitism is fundamentally racist. If you mean anti-Judaism, be specific and say that.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Well said Karl Drinkwater! I woud add to that that many of the people hurling accusations of anti-semitism are themselves anti-semitic (and probably don't even really care about Semites like they pretend to).

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Karl Drinkwater's avatar

Very true!

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AquaTeal's avatar

Excellent! Thank you.

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Mike Fish's avatar

Thanks Karl.

Good articulation to questions that nag at me.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Thank you Indu! Love BreakThrough News and enjoyed watching the short clip.

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russian_bot's avatar

Actually, the rulers don't really want wars. They want submission from and enslavement of the rest of the world. Hence all those other means they keep exploring - AI, covid, social media zombification, digital tracking, divide and conquer along various fake notions, etc.

In that regard those who keep resisting via necessarily resorting to military means - Palestinians, other Middle Easterners, Russia - are really a big inconvenience and the nuisance for the elites. One can look at the fact armed resistance is still very much alive as the sign of the rulers' failing.

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Susan T's avatar

Oh, I think the rulers do want wars. They and their friends make a lot of money off wars.

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russian_bot's avatar

They would make their money regardless once they achieved the goal of enslaving the world. Until they do they have to engage in wars, while making them profitable of course.

Are you saying Biden and Co are actually happy to make wars? I'm not sure. They just can't get around not making them. They are forced to because of their ultimate goals, while exploring other, less costly ways to achieve the objectives.

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Susan T's avatar

I'm not sure either. I can't say that I know what is really going on in their sick minds. If they changed their objectives, maybe things would be different.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hmmm….”gouge his eyes and crush his testicles”.

Kinda brings ByeDone to mind as the recipient…😁

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russian_bot's avatar

You think there's anything left to crush?

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gypsy33's avatar

😂

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