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Feral Finster's avatar

Of course. Since Trump has shown that he can be relied upon to keep the wars and empire going, liberals and democrats are free to do what they love to do and what they do best - performative and entirely symbolic fake resistance.

Susan T's avatar

We need to get rid of the entire system and replace it with one that works for the climate and for the people. The present system works very well for the rich.

Feral Finster's avatar

Well, a few months ago, we were assured that it was a moral necessity to vote for Willie Brown's former mistress, anointed by the DNC, because "Democracy Is On The Ballot(R)".

Strangely, Team D seems silent now.

John Turcot's avatar

Yes, you’re right, Team D is silent, but the Money is talking.

dale ruff's avatar

??? This very day, Democrats, unanimously, blocked the trillion dollar Defense Budget bill, stopped it. Calling a vote that defeated the Defense Bill silence? _-There is no louder political protest than a united vote to block funding for war.

Peter Sawchuk's avatar

These are the same people who support Ukraine, S truly Fascist government. If you think otherwise how do you explain what's going on with Ukrainian immigrants? They will now no longer be able to leave Ukraine without government approval. Sounds like slavery to me and your precious government Dems and Reps. alike support and finance this abomination. Give your head a shake.

John Turcot's avatar

When the democrats under the Biden admin held power, the one sound everyone in Gaza heard every day were made by the bombs that fell on their homes….. Are the democrats as a party saying that the U.S. should stop sending bombs to Israel?

Nevertheless, better late than never!

Landru's avatar

Ms. " Iran is our greatest enemy" is prepping for 2028 you know she is.

dale ruff's avatar

And you are helping the man bombing Iran today.

Feral Finster's avatar

By refusing to keep up the charade that Team D is any different?

dale ruff's avatar

By: Matt Sledge; The Intercept

Despite their defeat by Senate Republicans, bills seeking to block arms sales to Israel found widespread Democratic support.

Democratic senators overwhelmingly voted to block bomb and bulldozer sales to Israel on Wednesday,

Feral Finster's avatar

As I said, performative putrage.

Frances Lynch's avatar

PAID performative outrage :)

Feral Finster's avatar

I frankly doubt that any payment is necessary. The front row kids that make up Team D like being front row kids.

dale ruff's avatar

Your smears are fact-free and paid by _AIPAC.

dale ruff's avatar

: Lawmakers are responding to real electoral jeopardy. A wave of progressive challengers have successfully unseated established incumbents in primary elections specifically over their foreign policy stances.Shifting public opinion: Recent polling demonstrates that a significant majority of Democratic voters support reducing or entirely eliminating military aid to Israel. Lawmakers are voting to satisfy their core constituencies to protect their seats, making it a matter of survival rather than performance." Your political intelligence is shallow.

Frances Lynch's avatar

Votes of both parties directly track to congressional AIPAC funding.

Feral Finster's avatar

Yeah, funny how Plattner was guilty on accusation, but Biden and Bill Clinton were entitled to every benefit of every doubt.

Frances Lynch's avatar

Oh come now, Palentier has a track record, and it is dark.

For example:

Palantir’s core operating systems include Gotham (used by militaries and intelligence agencies for counter-terrorism), Foundry (for commercial and civil government data operations), Apollo (for continuous integration and delivery), and AIP (the Artificial Intelligence Platform). The company is headquartered in Miami, Florida, and serves clients ranging from the U.S. Department of Defense and CIA to corporations like Morgan Stanley, Airbus, and Merck. All field tested in Gaza.

I personally never gave either Clinton or Biden much credence, I saw them both as minions of the deep state.

Patrick Powers's avatar

I shall never forget her joyfully leading D convention cheers in praise of "the most lethal fighting force in the world!" None of that wimpy "self-defense" stuff.

dale ruff's avatar

I will ignore your sexist slur on Harris, and ask: are you working for AIPAC? 1. Today, the majority of Democrats voted to stop arming Israel, and a few days ago, without exception, all Dems voted to block the "Defense Bill" I now you have this thing were you say it is performative...but that is your bullshit of alternative facts. These votes, on which these Dems will run, result in real consquences: they cause "tangible legislative gridlock. unprecedented splits in party leadership, and direct pressure from the voter base. Far from being empty gestures, these votes have actively stalled major legislation and forced historic realignments within Congress.

the Senate Democratic Caucus voted 50–46 to completely block debate on the $1.15 trillion National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). This stopped a mandatory, must-pass bill from advancing.Withheld key procedural votes: Lawmakers did not just register a protest; they successfully denied the 60 votes required to move the Pentagon budget forward.Unprecedented Fractures in Top LeadershipHigh-ranking splits: If these votes were coordinated political theater, party leadership would stand united. Instead, they are deeply divided.Breaking party lines: While House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries opposed an amendment to eliminate $3.3 billion in Israeli military aid, the No. 2 House Democrat, Katherine Clark, and former Speaker Nancy Pelosi broke ranks to vote in favor of the cut.Historic scale: Over 100 House Democrats voted to cut off the aid, turning a once-unanimous position into an active party schism.

: Lawmakers are responding to real electoral jeopardy. A wave of progressive challengers have successfully unseated established incumbents in primary elections specifically over their foreign policy stances.Shifting public opinion: Recent polling demonstrates that a significant majority of Democratic voters support reducing or entirely eliminating military aid to Israel. Lawmakers are voting to satisfy their core constituencies to protect their seats, making it a matter of survival rather than performance."

Feral Finster's avatar

Harris herself admits to being Willie Brown's side piece, FYI.

Your copy-paste was addressed elsewhere.

g4rg4ntu4's avatar

The good people of the rogue US regime are going to have to come to terms with the fact that they cannot vote themselves out of the mess they find themselves in – only by organizing a violent revolution will they see change.

John Turcot's avatar

Susan,

Unfortunately, We are the system.

Don Cranson's avatar

We may not be the designers but we are definitely participants, knowingly or not.

LandonT's avatar

Time to work towards evacuation

The Revolution Continues's avatar

It works TOO well for the rich. #EatTheRich

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

But but but, what about idiot parties morons supporting lesser evils when voting? Deport them. I approve of this message. Fucking cancel Israel.

Russell McOrmond's avatar

Zionism is the project, the current government of Israel is merely an artifact.

The first of what we would today call Christian Zionists to land on the continent some call North America are celebrated each year during US Thanksgiving.

Please don't let yourself be misdirected by the rebranding done in the 1890's so that the Anglo Protestant Zionists could claim that this was ever a Jewish project (launched by, or to protect the interests of, Jewish people).

“Two groups conflate Zionism and Judaism. Zionists, who want to legitimize Zionism by pretending it is Judaism; and antisemites, who want to de-legitimize Judaism by pretending it is Zionism.” - Yaakov Shapiro, an anti-Zionist Orthodox rabbi.

https://r.flora.ca/p/zionism

LandonT's avatar

everything Mike Johnson says/does/hears is in this direction. Not an accident

Russell McOrmond's avatar

As in, Mike Johnson, as a devout Southern Baptist, always tries to conflate Zionism and Judaism?

Not an accident -- do you believe that individual is aware of what they are doing, or blindly following?

I grew up a Christian under a Christian government (Canada), and it was only later in life with very deliberate reading that I noticed the discrepancies with what the institutions of Canada were training me to believe.

LandonT's avatar

Yes and yes, it's less about religion and more about tribal evangelism

Russell McOrmond's avatar

On a separate note :

Recent areas of personal study became anti-colonialism and anti-racism. I've been reading quite a bit about (and listening, interacting with, etc) peoples of Indigenous nationalities of what some now call North America, specifically in the great lakes/Niagara (Dish With One Spoon region).

We westerners are programmed with a very different idea of what "religion" and the phrase "tribal" are about than when those words are used to reference non-Westerners.

I have to code-switch language and guess within context that you are using it in the Western/European/Westphalian sense.

Language is "fun" 🤓🫤

dale ruff's avatar

Even when Democrats 100% vote down approval of Trillion dollar defense bill, you cal it fake. It's as tho you want it to be fake because you would rather be right than actually change US policy. There is a battle raging in America, with 77% of Democrats finding Israel guilty of genocide and supporting blocking weapons and aid. (Quinnipiac University poll). To ignore the battle or claim it is just fake is to miss the way most Democrats , the base, and the left within the Congress, feel. The inability to see the radical change in mood and ideology is a blindness that benefits the status quo. You might as well be an AIPAC stooge, helping to tear down the left battling to gain power to effect change.

Feral Finster's avatar

On measures that they know won't pass. When the measure hangs in the balance, they aren't so resolute.

And since when did the DNC care what voters or democrat voters think or like or want?

EDIT: "You might as well be an AIPAC stooge, helping to tear down the left battling to gain power to effect change."

Do I need to show you that photo of Harris hugging Netanyahu again? What political party nominated Harris for president, do remind me? And what did she say about Israel at the convention, I maybe should look it up....

"t's as tho you want it to be fake because you would rather be right than actually change US policy."

So you're saying that I am right and Team D is fake. Thank you for confirming what we already know.

Guest's avatar

https://husseini.substack.com/p/performative-voting-voting-against

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“Do Congressional Votes Matter when they don't Change Policy? Another Sheepdogging to Rebrand the Democrats as not Genocidal?…

It would be foolish to think that Ivey and Pelosi and so many of these 100 wouldn’t make their votes available for imperial Israel when they are needed.”

Tuan O's avatar

I think you're forgetting how the Democrats perpetrated genocide in Gaza for the guts of two years. The cheek of you accusing people of being aipac stooges for criticising the aipac genocide party

Nick Douglas's avatar

We will never forget asshole and war criminal genocide Joe and his democrat bootlickers and lickspittles. Except for very few, D's are the same genocide apologists and supporters crowd. Demoncrats just don't have guts to admit it.

Feral Finster's avatar

Yeah, that was a sleazy move, even by Dale standards, even by Team D standards.

Christopher Kruger's avatar

What liberals do best is "below the waist politics..."

Feral Finster's avatar

Pronouns, humans...PRONOUNS!

Note that none of these performances change the way the economic pie is sliced, nor do they in any way affect the empire or its wars.

dale ruff's avatar

Days after 104 members of Congress voted in favor of a measure that sought to end U.S. aid to Israel, AIPAC will no longer allow donations through its political action committee to 18 lawmakers it endorsed who voted in favor of the legislation. Losing AIPAC funding is not performative for it gave 23 million in the 24 election; it is an act (voting to ban arms to Israel) that has a heavy cost, and not only does AIPAC stop funding those voting to ban arms but it spends millons to defeat them, funding opponents and buying negative advertising.

"On Wednesday, more than 100 House Democrats voted for an amendment to a State Department funding bill that would have cut U.S. aid to Israel, marking a massive break in the party’s once unshakable support for the Jewish state. ) 103 voted to ban arms; 97 to continue. Most had not received AIPAC funds or refuseed them, but 7 have no lost AIPAC funding. To claim losing money and facing AIPAC funding of millions to defeat you is not an "act" but a moral choice with a cost.

IN 2024, AIPAC spent millions in primary to defeat anti-genocide progressives: "The United Democracy Project invested over $14 million to unseat Bowman, making it one of the most expensive House primaries in U.S. history.Cori Bush: AIPAC's super PAC directed between $8.4 and $9 million into the district to help defeat Bush in her August 2024 primary.The total outside spending in both races dwarfed previous political action committee investments, fueled largely by massive donations to AIPAC's super PAC. F"

This is not perforamative; this is hard ball.

Feral Finster's avatar

Had you read the link I provided elsewhere, you would see how Team D candidates that promise not to take AIPAC money structure contributions as to take that money indirectly.

Anyway, Dale, I gotta question forya. Quit ducking it already.

Luke's avatar

This is what I suspected the election theft in 2020 was about. This is where my gut was leading me. Not at the time, it was a horrible terrifying feeling. But that’s when I thought DT was anti establishment. As CJ said he never was. What he was, was an embarrassment and they wanted him OUT.

But after the Russia and Israel situation didn’t go as smoothly as planned they thought it would be a good idea to resurrect his candidacy. The reason is because he could gin up far better military recruits than anyone else. I’m sure they made him deals of get rich quick schemes and offers of impunity. This in exchange for him prosecuting their dirty deeds like Iran.

They never did have much respect for MAGA people. As far as the holdouts are concerned neither do I. However I do think they are surprised by the number of us that peeled away from him (maybe).

JennyStokes's avatar

In many ways the Dems. are worse than the Repubs. People expect things from the Dems. (heaven knows why).

A pox on both.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

A lot of it is knee-jerk conditioning, Jenny. Like my neighbor 3 houses away. Nice guy, but the moment an election looms, the yard sign for the favored shit-lib Dem goes up like clockwork. A liberal, "reformed" ex-military, a centrist Dem's the best he can do. Latest is Deb Haaland for NM governor (my former rep & Obama's Interior sec.) Their hard-wiring is just so difficult to alter.

Feral Finster's avatar

A lot of it is just humans cheering for a chosen political team. I hear more reasoned and informed opinions from sportsball fans why they support a given (non-home town) team than I do from most political junkies.

musicbob's avatar

That's interesting... and actually a really important point you make.

A long time ago, Noam Chomsky, in replying to someone who said that the average US citizen is too stupid to understand political issues and international events, once replied, and I know I don't have the exact wording (not even close) but... it was something along the lines of this... "The average US citizen is not stupid, and all you have to do is listen to some of the most detailed discussions about sporting events, some of the most complex strategizing, and depth of information, etc.''

But I also have this reply, below, from my Gemini query...

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Gemini's response to my prompt (between the double quotation marks):

""In this quote from Understanding Power, Chomsky observes that, while driving, he often hears ordinary people engaging in highly analytical, detailed discussions on sports radio. He contrasts this by stating, "These are ordinary people, not professionals, who are applying their intelligence and analytic skills in these areas and accumulating quite a lot of knowledge and, for all I know, understanding." He contrasts this high level of engagement with what he describes as a profound, "superficial" understanding of complex political or social issues among the public.

Chomsky argues this difference arises not from a lack of capability, but because the social system directs intellectual energy toward non-threatening areas.""

Patrick Powers's avatar

I remember that.

People have a war instinct. It's so basic that even ants have it. All that matters is that your side wins. There has been brain wave research that confirms the observation of Dr. Chomsky. Heck, when I was a kid all the boys played war with plastic machine guns. "I got you!" "No you didn't!" If you need any further evidence note what a big deal computer war games are today. Some men spend thousands of dollars a year on Eve Online. It's a full time job. Why?

Patrick Powers's avatar

Green Bay Packers -- a triumph of socialism! The NFL has forbidden any further efforts in this vein. Capitalism only. They felt threatened.

John Turcot's avatar

Vin, your last sentence says it all , except for “Their” . A sorcerer named Don Juan once said that the hardest task in life is to throw away the baggage of beliefs we are fed from the moment we are born. You said it.. “hard-wiring is just so difficult to alter”.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

Wow, John. Raising the specter of Don Juan. Haven't pondered in that direction for a while. Thanks— what a wake-up call!

JennyStokes's avatar

I would be hard-pressed not to demolish the sign!

Vin LoPresti's avatar

I have the same thought every time I pass his house on the way to mine. But ya know . . . gotta live in the neighborhood; can't be a total pariah.

Tom High's avatar

On my way to total pariah. My wife introduces me by saying I can clear a crowded room at a party in less than five minutes. Gaza make me quit caring about my pariah status.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

At least you still get invited to parties.

Tom High's avatar

I don’t… the wife does. Sometimes she reluctantly takes me and crosses her fingers.

The Revolution Continues's avatar

What is this "party" you speak of? (Nobody invites me anywhere!)

Tom High's avatar

They expect things because they got them once from FDR, and, to a lesser extent LBJ. Granted, both were flawed, but they delivered partial policy fixes for capitalist mendacity. My grandmother loved the Democratic Party because it brought electricity to her rural NC county. The Dems betrayed that history when the Clintonistas bent over for the corporate donors.

But yes, a pox on both their imperialist houses.

John Turcot's avatar

Tom, like ‘Toys r Us’ we are “Them”. We all follow the money don’t we?

Tom High's avatar

‘Make me a sergeant, gimme the booze!’

Rex's avatar

Jenny

It is time for the AIPAC group to come out and form their own party, thereby eliminating any misconceptions as to their long term objectives to turn the USA into a totally controlled Israeli State.

May I offer a bit of advice from downunder, affectionately know as the USA's grovelling little bag carrier. A.k.a the vassal state.

In todays climate the success of the AIPAC Party it would be "a lay down mesire".

Now that means that something is a certainty to happen and is common in Australia / New Zealand slang.

For example..... the next election would be a"lay-down mesire" for the AIPAC Party.

Its origins are in the card game 500. In normal play the idea is to win a number of tricks bid (or more). But if a player has a very poor hand, such as the USA, they can opt to bid to lose every trick in the hand ( a "mesire" bid)..... and further if they lay their cards on the table, it is an "open mesire" or "lay down mesire", and often carries enough points that the game can be won in a single hand.

The USA has now reached that stage. A small example is the State of South Carolina who voted in Lindsey Graham for 23 years. Other sickening examples are Biden, Trump, McCain and on it goes, ad nauseam.

Downunder the Netanyahu Nasties call themselves AIJAC. Same horse, different rider.

musicbob's avatar

Exactly. And what I've noted to others quite often.

Helga Fellay's avatar

Heaven knows why and so do I. It's because you seem to have no clue what these words mean. By the way, they are not called "Repubs", it's Repugs because they are r epugnant.

jamenta's avatar

The two party rigged electoral system has become a scam. By participating in the scam, you are allowing it to remain legitimate when it no longer is legitimate. It became illegitimate when both parties were corporatized and the League of Woman Voters were forcibly removed from managing the debates, and you got the Citizens United v. FEC ruling in 2010. Even voting for a third party means you are participating in a political scam. The American people are being presented with false choices, and third parties are forcibly marginalized and barely allowed into the electoral scam - to give the electoral process a semblance of legitimacy when there is none left.

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

I have voted for Ross Perott, Mickey Mouse, Banksy, Aaron Bushnell and others. Vote often for D or R's (they must pay you or you are a retard and should be deported to Palestine (Tel Aviv). Boom Boom. Have a nice day.) 1 State Palestine.

Russell McOrmond's avatar

I know it will feel minor, but https://fairvote.org/ is a toe in the door towards breaking up the 1.0001 party system the USA currently has.

The US presidency should really be a ranked ballot where the top vote becomes president, and the runner-up becomes the vice president. The party ticket system needs to be abolished, and in my mind is worse than the electoral college system which also needs to be abolished.

There were a few good ideas in the design of the US system, but even the good ideas were quickly neutered to protect US institutions from any potential outbreak of Democracy.

jamenta's avatar

Something needs to change - and I think that's why you see the ICE funding exploding with billions of dollars invested already. The Elites are getting ready to put Americans in concentration camps if they have to - ICE won't just be for the immigrants.

Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Yes, jamenta. It will be a case of...

" First they came for the Communists and I did not speak out..... "

Russell McOrmond's avatar

When I was born, the Ontario and Canadian governments granted me citizenship and I've lived in what some call "Ontario" my entire life.

Part of why I participate in forums dominated by US citizens is to act as a reminder that this isn't a US specific problem, and that there is a longer timeline than recent election cycles (or even human lifespans).

Put the "First They Came" poem in your mind before reading these articles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came

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An Association Fallacy, and the need to move past settler-colonial thinking

Rethink NATO, WEOG, and the eastern expansion of the Western European Union

https://r.flora.ca/p/nato-weog

Wait, what?!? Being honest about the greatest threat to Jewish peoples.

Note the plural for "peoples", and don't fall for Christian Zionist antisemitic tropes.

https://r.flora.ca/p/greatest-threats-to-jewish-peoples

Patrick Powers's avatar

"The US presidency should really be a ranked ballot where the top vote becomes president, and the runner-up becomes the vice president. " That was the original system way back in 1796. Epic fail. It guaranteed that the Prez and VP were archrivals antagonizing one another. It didn't last long.

Russell McOrmond's avatar

It depends on what you consider the "failure" to be.

The party system means that the 3 co-equal branches of government no longer function correctly, if any Congress people or judges consider the President to be "their leader".

The idea that a single corporate entity should be able to control the President, Vice President, Congress and the Supreme Court is obviously the failure, not that the President and Vide President aren't on the executive of the same corporation.

The President and VP should be antagonizing each other -- administrative simplicity should never be thought of as the goal of an entity striving to one day become democratic.

Patrick Powers's avatar

Trump as Prez and Harris as VP? That would be heaven.

Russell McOrmond's avatar

I was very specific about the ranked ballot part. Check out https://fairvote.org/

The primaries system is easily manipulated by the Corporate Party brands to ensure that no matter what "person" is elected President, the Corporate Party always wins.

Ranked Ballots would change the nature of the primaries as well, as it would take quite a bit of control away from the corporate brands.

I don't think Trump would ever have been relevant if there wasn't a hyper-hierarchical and brittle party system for special interests to maneuver into control of.

It is likely hard to imagine, as the current warring corporate factions system makes it hard to picture Presidents as public servants rather than corporate CEOs having obliteration of competition as the primary goal. The idea that the runner-up would be an "enemy" is a cultural choice, not something that naturally happened.

minecritter's avatar

I was following Glenn Greenwald's coverage of Brazil politics when President Dilma Rousseff was ousted. I remember their government structure is based on the U.S., but she had voluntarily selected an opposition leader for her vice president. I think this created motive for the opposition to oust her, knowing their guy would become president.

Your idea still beats the shit show the US has now.

The only thing I'd add is that range voting is an improvement over simple ranking.

Russell McOrmond's avatar

Party systems, no matter how many parties, creates a system of warring factions rather than citizens assemblies (which should be the goal). It isn't feasible to jump from one way of thinking to another without intermediary steps to change the culture around democratic institutions.

Neither the President or the Vice President should be part of a "warring faction". They should be representative of the entire country.

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Yes to the range voting, but we need to get people past the single-X before we can collect even more accurate information from voters to build better representative bodies.

I also believe that on any ballot, an "X" should be treated as a "1", and thus if someone wants to turn their ballot into an approval ballot they can do so.

The trick is always having a DETERMANISTIC and third-party verifiable algorithm for determining the outcome. Some systems end up adding in non-deterministic features, or where alphabetic sorting of names ends up preferring one candidate or another.

At the moment there are ballot-less voting machines used in the USA, which are essentially proxy votes handed to the technology vendors. I've noticed how few people think about and flag these radical changes. Voter verifyable ballots are needed, even if machine generated and machine counted.

Trust is core to an electoral system, and -- well -- we need to be honest that trust in STEM isn't high in the current political climate.

minecritter's avatar

I live in a state with mail in ballots, and a county with ranked voting. I remember hearing about the black box voting machines, especially in Ohio in the 2004 US election. I read Mark Crispin Miller's book "Fooled Again" that had more details. (Also RFK Jr's long article that covered the same points.) I'm still mad about the 2000 election too.

When I read about range voting, it made me want to tell everyone to be sure to offer a zero option, that would clearly indicate a candidate is not acceptable, and can't be counted as a last, or any choice. I'd boycott an election before I'd use a ballot that didn't allow "none of the above" or blank.

Russell McOrmond's avatar

Curious about your feelings on mail in ballots and vote buying? Are you familiar with the concept of "Chesterton’s Fence"? There is so much short attention span thinking in contemporary politics.

Under Ontario, the current Primier even removed the ability of municipal governments (which are provincial corporations, not responsible governments) to use ranked ballots. The previoius provincial government had changed the law to allow municipalities that option.

Under Canadian institutions, you can "decline" your ballot (the closest to "none of the above") in Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, but can not federally.

There is a fixation on the "winner", and very little on voter intent or any other information that feeds into what type of mandate a representative has and how they should try to represent constituents. There is also way too much representing party brands to constituents, rather than representing constituents to parliament.

Even though voters do not elect the Prime Minister or Premier (it is the party leader of the party that has the confidence of parliament to form the executive), "Canadian" Media (Even the state broadcaster CBC) reports elections as if they were a Presidential election and parliaments were merely an electoral college.

These “democracies” are so messed up.

minecritter's avatar

Wow, that's interesting. I hear very little about Canadian elections. I'm not familiar with "Chesterton’s Fence".

Everybody I know loves the convenience of mail in ballots, and nobody I know has said anything about vote buying. I have always wondered how many people are bullied about their vote from someone in their household, but I've never heard anyone claim it has happened. There was a local news report about ballots being postmarked after the May election deadline, due to a post office decision to prioritize packages over letters the day before the election. That sounds fishy. But I never mail my ballot. I use a ballot drop box, so I never have to wonder how slow the mail is.

John Turcot's avatar

Yes, but in the end, the only party that counts is indeed the party that can count, as in ‘count the Money ‘ party.

ChatterX's avatar

"Capital must protect itself in every possible way, both by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible.

"When, through process of law, the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of the government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers.

"These truths are well known among our principal men, who are now engaged in forming an imperialism to govern the world.

By dividing the voter through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance.

"It is thus, by discrete action, we can secure for ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished."

-Montagu Norman, Governor of The Bank Of England, (1920-1944) addressing the United States Bankers’ Association, October 1924.

ChatterX's avatar

"We find two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt ends - the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality dominate and plunder it."

-Friedrich Engels

Stuart Estrine's avatar

The Democrats and the Republicans are two wings of the same bird of prey: Wall Street. The 40 year class war being waged on the ameriKKKan working class has done little to awaken the sleeping giant. At this point it is obvious they will accept the totalitarian agenda the capitalists have in store for them. The Democrats are the metaphorical Judas Goat.

David's avatar

Americans are condemned to become serfs in the AI dominated predatory capitalist system they have allowed to run roughshod over them. Apathy disengagement and a"who cares" attitude will do it every time. For a nation to mature it is imperative to have an engaged public who is not averse to discussing socio/political reform. The American political scene is as barren as the Sahara desert and the only forms of life are D and R rattlesnakes.

John Turcot's avatar

David, your description of the system is pretty well international. It just happens that the U.S. has been doing its thing for a longer time.

Patrick Powers's avatar

Worldwide, no. Western, yes.

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

One State Palestine in the ashes of the D & R Zionist bought Parties. Vote Fuck Israel.

Hassan Al-Mosawi's avatar

Peace be upon you by Gaza and Jerusalem - Honour and victory are the allies of the axis of resistance and its allies, and humiliation and shame are for the axis oPf evil, Epstein Class (USA, Britain, France, Turkey, Qatar, UAE, NATO Governments, New Nazi, Masonic, Zionist and Israel) and its allies.

John Turcot's avatar

Hassan, the needle on the record playing seems to be stuck?

g4rg4ntu4's avatar

My long held view on why the various water carriers for Empire had a problem with Trump 1 was because he attempted to redirect all of the cash that washed over Washington through Trump Towers - recall how he would deal with the representatives of both companies and countries in his own private gold-plated building, and in the process he would deny the various politicians, intelligence operatives, lobbyists, etc. of their taste.

Essentially Trump 1 saw the best way to make money as manipulating the flow of cash away from the usual suspects in Washington. Draining the swamp – of it’s blood money, and other rewards. For the elites this demonstrated an unacceptable lack of good taste and imagination – consequently he had to go.

This time around Trump 2 has learned that he can make mountains of money for himself and his extended crime family in ways that do not result in a long line of impoverished and indignant war profiteers, and so on. Trump 2 has realized that he can bet on world events, manipulate said events, and then profit from the bets previously placed. And the bottom feeding war profiteers are happy now because they get their taste.

With respect to the Trump - it is, and always was, about money. Money money money money...

John Turcot's avatar

G4……

Your last sentence…… Bingo! Bingo! Bingo!

musicbob's avatar

It's coincidental this article was written today. Just yesterday, I sent out an email to my email group of friends/family/acquaintances/etc sardonically noting how I'm sure we'll all be hearing real soon from the No_Kings/Hands_off bullshit "protest" organizers about the renewed war/aggression on Iran (who have been completely quiet and absent for ages now... just not a convenient time to be "active", for them, I guess)

Jim's avatar

I’ve noticed that as well. The No Kings protests were nothing more than a reactionary critique of Trump’s admittedly repulsive personality. Now that another illegal war of aggression has been launched and billions of dollars are, once again, being poured into terror and destruction, the lack of any resistance to the war machine is laid bare for all to see. It’s a fucking joke.

Russell McOrmond's avatar

I live under the institutions of Canada.

There were "Canadians", many who are loyal to a literal Constitutional Monarchy that has a King as a figurehead for the institutions, participating in "No Kings" protests -- on soil that the Canadian Crowns (institutions, not a person) claims title over.

Patrick Powers's avatar

I don't read propaganda media so I had no idea this is so. It is true that during the 2024 the Ds attacked Mr. T for not being warlike enough. They were horrified by the threat of peace. I find all this very weird.

Feral Finster's avatar

Yeah, ain't it funny that we haven't been hearing about the resurrection of Russiagate?

Because whatever fears the Deep State may have had, Trump is housebroken now.

TomR's avatar

At the start of this latest war on Iran, the public statements from my two Senators (both Democrats) each began with harsh critiques of Iran, then went on to say it was wrong for Trump to begin the war without a Congressional vote; basically they were fine with the war- they just wanted to be asked before the destruction and murder began.

But the mid terms....

We'll soon hear about the necessity of putting Democrats in charge so they can 'impeach' Trump after January 2027. Then like January 2007, it will then be said it's important to look beyond Trump and focus on 2028. And hooray, Kamala will come back stronger and more determined this time...right.

TomR's avatar

Hi Patrick, no.

In the months before the 2006 midterms, the Democrats campaigned on the need to take back Congress so they could start investigations and impeachment of the G W Bush regime. They did take both the House and Senate. Then in early 2007, Pelosi, who then became Speaker, stopped any work on impeachment and said it was more important to focus on the 2008 elections.

Patrick Powers's avatar

Aha, thanks for the explanation.

I thought the futile impeachments were a major waste of energy. I further believe that this is a deliberate strategy to divert efforts into futile hopeless causes instead of things that have a chance of success. This inculcates the public with a highly desirable learned helplessness which today is all too evident.

It is true that the Rs started it with the equally bogus Clinton impeachment. It was to get votes but this is widely seen as a failure.

TomR's avatar

That's a good observation - promise (or threat) of impeachment is just another sheep dog tactic to bring in more votes.

And on the Clinton impeachment, read, but can't cite a reference, that the impeachment died because the Senate Democrats had dirt on about six Republicans in a banking scandal - so they made a deal.

Patrick Powers's avatar

Impeachment is often confused with removal from office. Impeachment is a simple majority vote, removal is 2/3 supermajority. There was never any hope of removal so the three impeachments were performative political maneuvers. In the Clinton impeachment Majority Leader Bob Dole objected because it would be wasting a major amount of the Senate's efforts on theater. But he couldn't stop the trial.

By the way the Andrew Johnson removal had a real chance of success but was very narrowly defeated when Andrew's rich New York Port Authority friends bribed the impecunious senators from brand new Kansas. This was all exposed in an investigation but the Ds threatened to retaliate by exposing R corruption so nothing was done.

The Johnson impeachment was bogus as far as the constitution was concerned but Johnson was allowing the southern states to use terror to reinstate slavery in all but name and this wasn't acceptable. This is why you had the weird situation of Ds supporting an R president : they wanted the terror to continue. One of the few cases where I approve of going outside the law.

TomR's avatar

I find the same misunderstanding when people talk about the 25th amendment, assuming all it takes is the cabinet. The 2/3 vote in both houses means it would never happen

musicbob's avatar

I have WAY more disdain for the so-called "liberal" (term that no longer even has a meaning) Democrats because, as Noam Chomsky so perfectly pointed out a long time ago, they set the boundary for how far true progressivism, and positive change, can really go. And the "boundary line" they've set up actually won't let progressive/positive change move even one inch forward. And this is saying a lot because the awful repukelicans sicken me so deeply.

Patrick Powers's avatar

Nowadays endless war, genocide, and serving the rich at the expense of the general public is liberalism.

musicbob's avatar

So true Patrick! The spelling of the word "liberalism" remains the same, but just the definition has changed… and most people buy it (I guess?)… which is exactly what's happened with the word "democracy" too... a total definition change... but people love to just say the word "democracy" as a sort of security blanket to suck their thumbs with... doesn't really matter what the word itself is actually used by our power structure to mean anymore... all that matters is just the way it rolls off of our tongues when the word is uttered, and then in doing so, the feeling it elicits from the utterer.

Patrick Powers's avatar

I call it the "Orwellization" of words.

musicbob's avatar

Love it! I’m gonna steal that from you…

Patrick Powers's avatar

You promote idealistic causes to get youth to identify as liberals. Then very gradually you redefine liberalism as genocide etc. I'm amazed that it works but it does. Conformity and tribal loyalty are powerful instincts, much more so than logic.

The other goal is to confuse public debate to such a degree that organization becomes difficult. If everyone is using conflicting definitions of words then you can't get anywhere. I see this all the time. My solution is to talk about specific issues -- war, the minimum wage, etc. -- and avoid Orwellized words. I just don't use them.

musicbob's avatar

Totally with you on that. I never use them either. Same goes for “right”and “left”. Especially because they are words that “the system” has set up and defined for us to use… That should send up a red flag to all of us.

Crixcyon's avatar

And they won't be disappointed. Once the murderers in Israel take over our military, they will draft our young men to fight even more wars.

SW's avatar

The fix was in this time before he ever took office. AIPAC and billionaire friends had him paid up, Vance was a former Peter Thiel employee so Silicon Valley had nothing to worry about, and all his cabinet members were and are tireless war maniacs. What’s not to love?

He’s delivered on everything, creates lots of diversions on his truth social rants and does as he’s told. He’s no more in charge of the federal government than Biden was.

Diana van Eyk's avatar

What an astute observation. It's so true! If ever there was evidence of a class war in the western world, this is it.

Jeck's avatar

Interesting. I agree that the Russia hoax was hugely important in the demonization of Russia for the American left, laying the groundwork for their shrill support of Ukraine v Russia. It seems clear to me now, however, that the demonization of Russia was more pointedly an objective served by the Russia hoax rather than created by the Russia hoax. The state department/CIA activities in Ukraine in the years preceding the Russia hoax were already working towards manufacturing the conditions for inevitable military reaction by Russia. Perhaps the intent was merely to bog Russia down in a stupid costly conflict, but at this point in time, given all that we know about redevelopment plans/who the war has been eliminating/statements by Zelensky, does it not appear probable that it has been serving the objectives of the Greater Israel Project and therefore the true underlying motive all along? Do readers here think I am nuts to fit the puzzle pieces together this way? The new world order objectives require a lot of demolition.

Joseph's avatar

Ukraine was never anything more than a: "Tel Aviv North" and a "Japan/Korea/Taiwan/Phillippines" in northeastern Europe. The civil war is global and has been for awhile now. But, by your political musings, I think you are on the right side. The Arabs, Persians, Russians, Chinese and us have become the new confederacy, whether we chose it or not.

Saint Jimmy's avatar

“liberals”…. There isn’t anything liberal about any of these people.

Russell McOrmond's avatar

The term "liberal" has so many conflicting meanings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism