1. Maybe it could be described as mega-scale organised crime with a very slick and very busy marketing department.
2. Two-state solution wherein the populace share, along with the rest of the people on this planet, a realisation and commitment to identifying first and foremost as a human being. Any other form of identity is secondary and can never justify hate or destruction of other beings, because (simply enough) we are destroying ourselves. When could any other constructed identity endow one with exceptionality, or superiority, or a right to subjugate, demean and destroy others? Why is that so damned difficult to learn?
The Israelis think they are somehow "winning" by invading and purging Gaza now - but the historical repercussions of the invasion will outlast the mass murderer Netanyahu, and the rest of his compliant butchers involved in this purging of a civilian population corralled into a small "Indian Reservation" of land. Civilians with no modern tanks, or military jets, or any kind of organized military to speak of - left to withstand alone, the onslaught of its murderous, revenge filled - collective punishment captors.
The veneer of any kind of moral standing by Israel or the US or Europe for that matter - has now been irrevocably ripped away. I think this will be an historic turning point.
And yet, mind boggling ,the west still selling the bs,sending weapons . The us tried hard to foment muslim hatred after 9/11 but we are still doing business with the accused saudis,also zio state. Somehow Palestinians who have suffered for 75 years are the pariah? And no help for them. My friends in Gaza dislike hamas, yet conflated with Palestinians. Something else to consider,several articles have said the hamas invasion was in the interests of the terrorist illegal state of israel.
I have repeating my theory since it started: The attack was a false flag executed by Mossad to justify genocide of the people in Gaza. The US was probably a participant in some way as it gets to start a war with Iran. Both nations benefit from Hamas attacking Israel.
It took 7 hours for them to respond with force to a breach on perhaps the most surveilled wall in the world. It does very much seem suspicious to me as well.
Maybe the countries the Gaza residents originally came from should let them return to their homes.
Gazans are descendant of foreign workers from various countries that came to Israel for work in the 40s. Their home countries have been using them as political pawn since then, not allowing them to come home. That is the real crime.
When you call Gaza an open air prison, some of the walls keeping them in are the borders of their true home countries, mostly Jordan and Eqypt.
Don't you get it? There will always be "repercussions," just like the hang-glider massacre was a "repercussion." Until israel leaves the area completely or the hamas/plo/anti-semite sand-hutus stop getting funding there will never cease being "repercussions."
Are suggesting the Palestinians are inherently untrustworthy because of their ethnicity ? Perhaps their hatred for the world , for governments, for normalcy is driven by growing up in a lifelong open air prison ?
Did you spend your childhood in prison ?
Did you watch your family members get murdered by the prison guards for nothing ?
The Arab countries have spent 75 years turning the Gaza residents into militants, teaching them to hate, turning them into militants, using them for sympathy in this war.
They never gave a crap about them, they are political tools.
It's not their ethnicity, it's what the Arab governments have made them into in a prison created partly by the governments of their parents.
"MSNBC suspended three Muslim reporters during Israel’s Gaza assault because it didn’t want Muslims reporting on it."
You can't have actual Muslim persons talking about Israelis killing off Palestinians--who actually aren't all Muslim. (Some are Christian and some even *gasp* Jewish!) That wouldn't be fair. You need white supremacists to promote racist propaganda or else it won't come out sincere and sound real to the white Islamphobic audience of MSNBC. Didn't you know that?*
Seymour Hersh – Oct. 12, 2023 – Netanyahu is Finished -- The Bibi doctrine—his belief that he could control Hamas—compromised Israeli security and has now begat a bloody war
Hamas was created and financed for years (through Qatar) by “our beloved” Bibi, who believed that Arafat’s secular PLO was a more serious enemy. Hamas was also rejecting a two-state solution -- just like Bibi and his extremists who together with US sabotaged a two-state solution for decades.
Hamas is to Mossad as ISIS and Al Queada are to the CIA. Terrorist front organizations pretending to be the opposition but ultimately trained, funded and controlled by the five eyes.
“.. I keep getting people acting like it’s controversial or even outlandish to say that Israel is an apartheid state. It’s not. The leading mainstream western human rights groups say it’s apartheid, as does the top human rights group in Israel….”
That’s because the leading mainstream western human rights are are the core, western and colonial, and funded by western colonial interests. So their role is to provide a superficial opposition.
You will never find them come out and say what Martin Luther King said: .“….my government is the bigges purveyor of violoience on the planet…”
The current day version of that is: “..my government is the biggest purveyor of violence on the planet, as well as the biggest backer, fender and, and weapons supplier to violent regimes across the planet”. And everyone should come out in the streets and oppose them now. Because millions of people are dying around the world at their hands…”.
What what happen to the funding of Human Rights Watch or UNHCR if they said that?
So no, Human Rights Watch are not going to shine the spotlight on the US govt that funds and arms Europe, not on any of the oligarchs that ensures the US govt does this.
No justice for Palestinians, no peace for Israelis. No justice for Israelis, no peace for Palestinians.
So let's start by stopping the immediate bloodshed and endless cycle of violence and retribution and devote our energies to finding justice for both sides of this conflict. No it wont be easy; it wont be simple, but I do think its possible. And there is no alternative other than more horrific, senseless murder of civilians on both sides.
It isn't going to stop, Israel is committing genocide because they feel they can get away with it in the current world. Israel is going to kill or deport every last Palestinian. The big question on my mind is will the US go to war with Iran, all the stepping tones are laid out for that war right now. The US wants it to create a southern front for Russia.
Thatcher was right, you don't negotiate or give into the demands of people because they are bombing you. The British couldn't just leave Ireland because we were being bombed. The Good Friday peace agreement (claimed by Blair and others was not due to him nor anyone else (though his very brave aid who's name I can't even find was crucial)) wasn't because of pressure from the IRA it was due to pressure from the groundswell of public opinion at the time.
I'm nearly 60 so Mandela was in prison for half my life. We didn't have social media then, but we had Simple Minds and Peter Gabriel. It seemed liked humanity had woken up to something better. Millions marched in London protesting the war in Iraq. Gay pride was full of joy.
Now humanity has been lulled back to sleep walking into division and hate. Our governments openly support Nazis and bomb the shit out of Arabs under ours noses while we protest green policies.
This is a war for public opinion. And humanity is losing it big time.
Yes. Israel may have the right to defend itself, but rightly or wrongly so does the occupied and oppressed population have the right, under the UN, to do what it likes to resist. The Israelis may have the right but they also have a choice that Palestine doesn't. They could choose peace (and if it was anything to with love of God they would).
'Just like the situation in Northern Ireland and South Africa, the Israeli government has the choice to end the cycle of violence. Netanyahu could, today, lift the blockade on Gaza, stop settlement constructions in the West Bank, recall the IDF to internationally recognized borders, end the second-class citizenship of Palestinians living in Israel, and commit to a peaceful, democratic reconciliation of the conflict. Unlike the Israeli government, the Palestinian people do not have this option. If they did, they would happily take it and end their oppression.' From Joewrote.
"The greatest trick white anti-semites ever pulled was getting Jews to leave western society in droves and move to a far away country to spend their lives beating up Muslims."
Can we arrange the words differently by saying that...'to move to a far away country which belonged to another nation' as part of a long term plan to control the middle eastern geography.
It is called "Eretz Israel", now with the connivance of the USA and the inaction of a feeble United Nations they will commence this next chapter soon.
To do this, they needed a benefactor who was an arrogant bully, a mass murderer and who responded to graft and corruption and given time, who would respond totally to their dictates in as short a time as is possible. Done. The Palestine ethnic purge.
They also needed to get rid of a fine US President who didn't like the idea of such a strange collection of people from all over the world building up an armoury of nuclear weapons for their own purposes. Done.... and with 400 nuclear warheads to date and a series of US presidents, one after the other, who jump whenever they are told.
No point in appealing to an Israeli's better nature and humanity. They sold those out when the shifted to Palestine to implement their dirty schemes.
I believe that a huge amount of Israelis are angry and sad that this is going on. They have been demonstrating in the streets against Netanyahu and his right wing coterie, for weeks before this happened. I am pretty sure these people would not be able to say anything on mainstream media especially in Israel.
Netanyahu is toast and I hope he convicted of his crimes as well as this genocide.
Convicted? Netanyahu's life is no more important than the life of anyone else. Perhhaps just place him inside a Palestinian hospital and let him have the same chance at survival as everyone else.
It seems impossible for people to accept that both sides are wrong yet both sides have rights. 'First, the militant attack on Israeli civilians was unconscionable, inhumane and in violation of international law. Second, Israel’s collective punishment against Palestinian civilians and its actions in Gaza are unconscionable, inhumane and a violation of international law. And, third, one must address the context of occupation and apartheid in which this is unfolding if one is to maintain integrity and be able to plot a strategy going forward in which both Palestinians and Israelis can live in freedom and security. If we can hold these three truths, then it will be possible to prevent further casualties, secure the release of prisoners and step back from the precipice.
Hassan and Levy condition their guidance on the principle that “one accepts the humanity and equality of all people without discrimination or distinction.” Israel has explicitly rejected this principle since its founding. And with Washington’s support, Israel’s determination to enforce the dispossession and subjugation of Palestinians is yielding a new ethnic cleansing campaign before our eyes.' https://www.aaronmate.net/p/the-roots-of-israels-ethnic-cleansing
Why I no longer stand with Israel, and never will again – Scott Ritter, Oct. 13
Hamas was created and financed for years by “our beloved” apartheid Bibi (of “Kill Rabin” fame), who believed that Arafat’s secular PLO was a more serious enemy than religious extremists.
Hamas was also rejecting a two-state solution -- just like Bibi and his extremists who, together with US, sabotaged a two-state solution for decades.
Are Americans deserving of death for electing a government that commits atrocities far beyond anything Hamas or even Israel is doing, every year? because we voted for the Republicans, or the Democrats? because we voted for Biden, or Trump, or Hilary, or Obama, or W, or Kerry, or Gore? ALL the Democrats and Republicans support the imperial war machine; the third parties (and the occasional Ds and Rs like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich) may reject it but with the connivance of the corporate media, the One Party With Two Heads Wearing Different Makeup (Nader's remark in 1999) is able to ensue that they have no chance. My point is that Americans have not really been able to vote AGAINST this, and not voting doesn't help either--so no, we're not responsible, at least not fully responsible, and I think this is true over most countries. That the electoral game is rigged, blaming the people of any country (or state or province) for what their so-called leaders do assigns a lot more agency to the public than we really have.
The situation is Gaza is different-- don't know what electoral choice they may have had, but voting for a party that supports violent insurrection is understandable when you're kicked off your land by an invader, locked in "an open air prison" and relentlessly abused by an occupier who hates you. If anyone understands this, it should be the Jews. The world stood by during the Holocaust, doing little to defend the Jews. Will we stand by as their survivors' descendants massacre another people? If so, will there be lamentation and prosecutions afterward?
You make it sound like voting is the only thing Americans can do to speak out about the things their government is doing that they don't like.
We have a lot of other options but we are too lazy and scared to do any of them. We could hold a GENERAL STRIKE. We could hit the streets. You've seen footage of French people and Filipinos in the streets from building to building. Why aren't WE out there? Too busy watching mainstream media to tear yourself away from the TV?
Try reading From Dictatorship to Democracy by Dr Gene Sharp. He explains the whole thing.
I am certainly not watching TV; have not owned one in my whole life. Ironically I was at my brother-in-law's on the 7th, and he had one, so I got a taste, a reminder, of mainstream--that is, corporate--media, what it's like, how it does its propaganda thing. Neither I nor Caitlin thinks voting is the main thing we can do to influence government. Our comments were in response to the Zionist claim that "since Gazans voted Hamas in 17 years ago, they're all responsible for the attack and lawful targets." And THIS is the answer to your question, as Caitlin tirelessly points out--Americans are passive because we are subjected to the most expert and copious propaganda in the history of the world. Also because we are still riding on the prosperity created by the anomalous few decades in the mid twentieth century that created a large middle class. While the increasing percentage who are truly poor are too busy struggling for survival to organize. I heard a quote recently from Francia Marquez, the black vi ce president of Colombia--"In gringoland you have nonprofits. Here we have movements." Effective grassroots movements are self-organized--if we wait for funded nonprofits to organize us EFFECTIVELY, we'll be waiting forever. I often see a general strike proposed, and I do think it's likely the most effective way of forcing a change in policy--as long as it's understood that it's a strike in BUYING anything, more important than a strike in working. But it can only be effective if a hefty percentage of the public participates, and for that, we'd have to be united, we'd have to break through the propaganda that has us divided into two mutually hostile camps, the Red Team and the Blue Team. And we'd have to break through the propaganda that has us thinking that Russia and China (and Venezuela and Cuba and Nicaragua and Iran) are our enemies, that police are here to keep us safe from all those predatory criminals, that we can vote in change, and that the multiple environmental crises can be solved by spraying green paint onto piles of bullshit, designed to extend the fossil fuel industries as long as possible at taxpayer expense while pretending to address the climate crisis. As for Gene Sharp, I think his work has been used by NED and AID to effect color revolutions to pull countries into the NATO orbit, the borg Caitlin talks about--to become lackeys of the US empire.
I've had it with "israel". Whatever it is has invaded Palestine and governments across the world. This blameworthy murderous secular cult can loosely be called Zionism. It needs extirpating. None of this agony we are experiencing today would be there were it not for "israel" & other manifestations of Zionism. Any "anti-Semitic" accusations, based on what I have just said, are garbage. Semites have lived together in peace and harmony for centuries in Palestine until the eastern European Khazarian/Ashkenazi crowd came in with Zionism under the cloak of [pretend] Semitic heritage. The entity known as [Zionist] israel no longer exists as far as I am concerned. The murderous Zionist squatters need evicting wherever they are to be found and also let the real Semites decide what goes on in their lands.
Caitlin calls it "the US-centric empire." Israel is just the US beachhead on the north African coast. And Cait has said over and over that we are bombarded with propaganda to keep us complacent.
Thank you -- criminal Bush covered in thrown shoes is a masterpiece, although he deserves MUCH worse...
...wonder if he'd be moved if they were the blood-soaked shoes of children?
How do you describe a country (US) that totally supports, militarily and financially, TWO countries (U + I) with Nazi-dominated governments?
A TWO-state solution ( which was sabotaged for decades by both apartheid Bibi/US and Hamas ) – NOW
1. Maybe it could be described as mega-scale organised crime with a very slick and very busy marketing department.
2. Two-state solution wherein the populace share, along with the rest of the people on this planet, a realisation and commitment to identifying first and foremost as a human being. Any other form of identity is secondary and can never justify hate or destruction of other beings, because (simply enough) we are destroying ourselves. When could any other constructed identity endow one with exceptionality, or superiority, or a right to subjugate, demean and destroy others? Why is that so damned difficult to learn?
The Israelis think they are somehow "winning" by invading and purging Gaza now - but the historical repercussions of the invasion will outlast the mass murderer Netanyahu, and the rest of his compliant butchers involved in this purging of a civilian population corralled into a small "Indian Reservation" of land. Civilians with no modern tanks, or military jets, or any kind of organized military to speak of - left to withstand alone, the onslaught of its murderous, revenge filled - collective punishment captors.
The veneer of any kind of moral standing by Israel or the US or Europe for that matter - has now been irrevocably ripped away. I think this will be an historic turning point.
And yet, mind boggling ,the west still selling the bs,sending weapons . The us tried hard to foment muslim hatred after 9/11 but we are still doing business with the accused saudis,also zio state. Somehow Palestinians who have suffered for 75 years are the pariah? And no help for them. My friends in Gaza dislike hamas, yet conflated with Palestinians. Something else to consider,several articles have said the hamas invasion was in the interests of the terrorist illegal state of israel.
I have repeating my theory since it started: The attack was a false flag executed by Mossad to justify genocide of the people in Gaza. The US was probably a participant in some way as it gets to start a war with Iran. Both nations benefit from Hamas attacking Israel.
It took 7 hours for them to respond with force to a breach on perhaps the most surveilled wall in the world. It does very much seem suspicious to me as well.
I agree❗️
I truly didn't think of that. And I thought that I was a pretty cynical citizen.
It's too true!
Globalresearch.ca has some very in depth articles up including Israeli whistle blowers.
Maybe the countries the Gaza residents originally came from should let them return to their homes.
Gazans are descendant of foreign workers from various countries that came to Israel for work in the 40s. Their home countries have been using them as political pawn since then, not allowing them to come home. That is the real crime.
When you call Gaza an open air prison, some of the walls keeping them in are the borders of their true home countries, mostly Jordan and Eqypt.
Don't you get it? There will always be "repercussions," just like the hang-glider massacre was a "repercussion." Until israel leaves the area completely or the hamas/plo/anti-semite sand-hutus stop getting funding there will never cease being "repercussions."
Are suggesting the Palestinians are inherently untrustworthy because of their ethnicity ? Perhaps their hatred for the world , for governments, for normalcy is driven by growing up in a lifelong open air prison ?
Did you spend your childhood in prison ?
Did you watch your family members get murdered by the prison guards for nothing ?
The Arab countries have spent 75 years turning the Gaza residents into militants, teaching them to hate, turning them into militants, using them for sympathy in this war.
They never gave a crap about them, they are political tools.
It's not their ethnicity, it's what the Arab governments have made them into in a prison created partly by the governments of their parents.
"MSNBC suspended three Muslim reporters during Israel’s Gaza assault because it didn’t want Muslims reporting on it."
You can't have actual Muslim persons talking about Israelis killing off Palestinians--who actually aren't all Muslim. (Some are Christian and some even *gasp* Jewish!) That wouldn't be fair. You need white supremacists to promote racist propaganda or else it won't come out sincere and sound real to the white Islamphobic audience of MSNBC. Didn't you know that?*
*Sarcasm* SIGH.
#FreePalestine
Was ready to write and bitch to the propaganda machine. Will not matter but as i keep saying,silence is acquiescence
Seymour Hersh – Oct. 12, 2023 – Netanyahu is Finished -- The Bibi doctrine—his belief that he could control Hamas—compromised Israeli security and has now begat a bloody war
Hamas was created and financed for years (through Qatar) by “our beloved” Bibi, who believed that Arafat’s secular PLO was a more serious enemy. Hamas was also rejecting a two-state solution -- just like Bibi and his extremists who together with US sabotaged a two-state solution for decades.
https://substack.com/inbox/post/137880462
Sy Hersh - The Plan to Wipe Out Hamas -- As refugees crowd the border with Egypt, Israel prepares to hit Gaza City with US-supplied bunker busters https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/the-plan-to-wipe-out-hamas?r=byea&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post (Oct 14)
Hamas is to Mossad as ISIS and Al Queada are to the CIA. Terrorist front organizations pretending to be the opposition but ultimately trained, funded and controlled by the five eyes.
And you know what,when we here in usa suggest such a thing, slings arrows and crickets
How do you describe a country (US) that totally supports, militarily and financially, TWO countries (U + I) with Nazi-dominated governments?
A TWO-state solution ( which was sabotaged for decades by both apartheid Bibi/US and Hamas ) – NOW
Well i describe the usa as a banana republic run by charlatans and thieves. The two state solution was always a snake oil go to. It was never real.
“.. I keep getting people acting like it’s controversial or even outlandish to say that Israel is an apartheid state. It’s not. The leading mainstream western human rights groups say it’s apartheid, as does the top human rights group in Israel….”
That’s because the leading mainstream western human rights are are the core, western and colonial, and funded by western colonial interests. So their role is to provide a superficial opposition.
You will never find them come out and say what Martin Luther King said: .“….my government is the bigges purveyor of violoience on the planet…”
The current day version of that is: “..my government is the biggest purveyor of violence on the planet, as well as the biggest backer, fender and, and weapons supplier to violent regimes across the planet”. And everyone should come out in the streets and oppose them now. Because millions of people are dying around the world at their hands…”.
What what happen to the funding of Human Rights Watch or UNHCR if they said that?
Funded by israeli jews who own all media
All media? No.
But certainly controlling the right media, where «wrong» voice get removed if they dont follow the program:
https://mronline.org/2023/10/16/msnbc-suspends-pro-palestine-anchors-amid-israeli-aggression-on-gaza/
Human rights watch is funded by all the same old establishment oligarchs and their foundations:
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/human-rights-watch/#:~:text=HRW%20lists%20the%20left%2Dof,Bill%20and%20Melinda%20Gates%20Foundation.
So no, Human Rights Watch are not going to shine the spotlight on the US govt that funds and arms Europe, not on any of the oligarchs that ensures the US govt does this.
Oh, puh-leeze!
4 simple words: No justice, no peace.
No justice for Palestinians, no peace for Israelis. No justice for Israelis, no peace for Palestinians.
So let's start by stopping the immediate bloodshed and endless cycle of violence and retribution and devote our energies to finding justice for both sides of this conflict. No it wont be easy; it wont be simple, but I do think its possible. And there is no alternative other than more horrific, senseless murder of civilians on both sides.
It isn't going to stop, Israel is committing genocide because they feel they can get away with it in the current world. Israel is going to kill or deport every last Palestinian. The big question on my mind is will the US go to war with Iran, all the stepping tones are laid out for that war right now. The US wants it to create a southern front for Russia.
If i could stop it today i would. Got a proposal?
I think that Caitlin has addressed that in some of her columns. Also, After Skool or The Academy of Ideas on YouTube has had videos about it.
Thatcher was right, you don't negotiate or give into the demands of people because they are bombing you. The British couldn't just leave Ireland because we were being bombed. The Good Friday peace agreement (claimed by Blair and others was not due to him nor anyone else (though his very brave aid who's name I can't even find was crucial)) wasn't because of pressure from the IRA it was due to pressure from the groundswell of public opinion at the time.
I'm nearly 60 so Mandela was in prison for half my life. We didn't have social media then, but we had Simple Minds and Peter Gabriel. It seemed liked humanity had woken up to something better. Millions marched in London protesting the war in Iraq. Gay pride was full of joy.
Now humanity has been lulled back to sleep walking into division and hate. Our governments openly support Nazis and bomb the shit out of Arabs under ours noses while we protest green policies.
This is a war for public opinion. And humanity is losing it big time.
The whole point of the IRA or any resistance group is to get public opinion behind them. Please read From Dictatorship to Democracy by Dr Gene Sharp.
Thank you Caitlin. I don't know how you do it. Please take care of yourself. Stay Strong! We need you....desperately!!!
That last paragraph is on 🔥
Thank you. I needed to read someone sane after a week of all out propaganda for death.
Yes. Israel may have the right to defend itself, but rightly or wrongly so does the occupied and oppressed population have the right, under the UN, to do what it likes to resist. The Israelis may have the right but they also have a choice that Palestine doesn't. They could choose peace (and if it was anything to with love of God they would).
'Just like the situation in Northern Ireland and South Africa, the Israeli government has the choice to end the cycle of violence. Netanyahu could, today, lift the blockade on Gaza, stop settlement constructions in the West Bank, recall the IDF to internationally recognized borders, end the second-class citizenship of Palestinians living in Israel, and commit to a peaceful, democratic reconciliation of the conflict. Unlike the Israeli government, the Palestinian people do not have this option. If they did, they would happily take it and end their oppression.' From Joewrote.
"The greatest trick white anti-semites ever pulled was getting Jews to leave western society in droves and move to a far away country to spend their lives beating up Muslims."
Can we arrange the words differently by saying that...'to move to a far away country which belonged to another nation' as part of a long term plan to control the middle eastern geography.
It is called "Eretz Israel", now with the connivance of the USA and the inaction of a feeble United Nations they will commence this next chapter soon.
To do this, they needed a benefactor who was an arrogant bully, a mass murderer and who responded to graft and corruption and given time, who would respond totally to their dictates in as short a time as is possible. Done. The Palestine ethnic purge.
They also needed to get rid of a fine US President who didn't like the idea of such a strange collection of people from all over the world building up an armoury of nuclear weapons for their own purposes. Done.... and with 400 nuclear warheads to date and a series of US presidents, one after the other, who jump whenever they are told.
No point in appealing to an Israeli's better nature and humanity. They sold those out when the shifted to Palestine to implement their dirty schemes.
As humans, they are beyond redemption.
I believe that a huge amount of Israelis are angry and sad that this is going on. They have been demonstrating in the streets against Netanyahu and his right wing coterie, for weeks before this happened. I am pretty sure these people would not be able to say anything on mainstream media especially in Israel.
Netanyahu is toast and I hope he convicted of his crimes as well as this genocide.
Convicted? Netanyahu's life is no more important than the life of anyone else. Perhhaps just place him inside a Palestinian hospital and let him have the same chance at survival as everyone else.
It seems impossible for people to accept that both sides are wrong yet both sides have rights. 'First, the militant attack on Israeli civilians was unconscionable, inhumane and in violation of international law. Second, Israel’s collective punishment against Palestinian civilians and its actions in Gaza are unconscionable, inhumane and a violation of international law. And, third, one must address the context of occupation and apartheid in which this is unfolding if one is to maintain integrity and be able to plot a strategy going forward in which both Palestinians and Israelis can live in freedom and security. If we can hold these three truths, then it will be possible to prevent further casualties, secure the release of prisoners and step back from the precipice.
Hassan and Levy condition their guidance on the principle that “one accepts the humanity and equality of all people without discrimination or distinction.” Israel has explicitly rejected this principle since its founding. And with Washington’s support, Israel’s determination to enforce the dispossession and subjugation of Palestinians is yielding a new ethnic cleansing campaign before our eyes.' https://www.aaronmate.net/p/the-roots-of-israels-ethnic-cleansing
Why I no longer stand with Israel, and never will again – Scott Ritter, Oct. 13
Hamas was created and financed for years by “our beloved” apartheid Bibi (of “Kill Rabin” fame), who believed that Arafat’s secular PLO was a more serious enemy than religious extremists.
Hamas was also rejecting a two-state solution -- just like Bibi and his extremists who, together with US, sabotaged a two-state solution for decades.
https://open.substack.com/pub/scottritter/p/why-i-no-longer-stand-with-israel?r=byea&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Are Americans deserving of death for electing a government that commits atrocities far beyond anything Hamas or even Israel is doing, every year? because we voted for the Republicans, or the Democrats? because we voted for Biden, or Trump, or Hilary, or Obama, or W, or Kerry, or Gore? ALL the Democrats and Republicans support the imperial war machine; the third parties (and the occasional Ds and Rs like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich) may reject it but with the connivance of the corporate media, the One Party With Two Heads Wearing Different Makeup (Nader's remark in 1999) is able to ensue that they have no chance. My point is that Americans have not really been able to vote AGAINST this, and not voting doesn't help either--so no, we're not responsible, at least not fully responsible, and I think this is true over most countries. That the electoral game is rigged, blaming the people of any country (or state or province) for what their so-called leaders do assigns a lot more agency to the public than we really have.
The situation is Gaza is different-- don't know what electoral choice they may have had, but voting for a party that supports violent insurrection is understandable when you're kicked off your land by an invader, locked in "an open air prison" and relentlessly abused by an occupier who hates you. If anyone understands this, it should be the Jews. The world stood by during the Holocaust, doing little to defend the Jews. Will we stand by as their survivors' descendants massacre another people? If so, will there be lamentation and prosecutions afterward?
You make it sound like voting is the only thing Americans can do to speak out about the things their government is doing that they don't like.
We have a lot of other options but we are too lazy and scared to do any of them. We could hold a GENERAL STRIKE. We could hit the streets. You've seen footage of French people and Filipinos in the streets from building to building. Why aren't WE out there? Too busy watching mainstream media to tear yourself away from the TV?
Try reading From Dictatorship to Democracy by Dr Gene Sharp. He explains the whole thing.
I am certainly not watching TV; have not owned one in my whole life. Ironically I was at my brother-in-law's on the 7th, and he had one, so I got a taste, a reminder, of mainstream--that is, corporate--media, what it's like, how it does its propaganda thing. Neither I nor Caitlin thinks voting is the main thing we can do to influence government. Our comments were in response to the Zionist claim that "since Gazans voted Hamas in 17 years ago, they're all responsible for the attack and lawful targets." And THIS is the answer to your question, as Caitlin tirelessly points out--Americans are passive because we are subjected to the most expert and copious propaganda in the history of the world. Also because we are still riding on the prosperity created by the anomalous few decades in the mid twentieth century that created a large middle class. While the increasing percentage who are truly poor are too busy struggling for survival to organize. I heard a quote recently from Francia Marquez, the black vi ce president of Colombia--"In gringoland you have nonprofits. Here we have movements." Effective grassroots movements are self-organized--if we wait for funded nonprofits to organize us EFFECTIVELY, we'll be waiting forever. I often see a general strike proposed, and I do think it's likely the most effective way of forcing a change in policy--as long as it's understood that it's a strike in BUYING anything, more important than a strike in working. But it can only be effective if a hefty percentage of the public participates, and for that, we'd have to be united, we'd have to break through the propaganda that has us divided into two mutually hostile camps, the Red Team and the Blue Team. And we'd have to break through the propaganda that has us thinking that Russia and China (and Venezuela and Cuba and Nicaragua and Iran) are our enemies, that police are here to keep us safe from all those predatory criminals, that we can vote in change, and that the multiple environmental crises can be solved by spraying green paint onto piles of bullshit, designed to extend the fossil fuel industries as long as possible at taxpayer expense while pretending to address the climate crisis. As for Gene Sharp, I think his work has been used by NED and AID to effect color revolutions to pull countries into the NATO orbit, the borg Caitlin talks about--to become lackeys of the US empire.
I've had it with "israel". Whatever it is has invaded Palestine and governments across the world. This blameworthy murderous secular cult can loosely be called Zionism. It needs extirpating. None of this agony we are experiencing today would be there were it not for "israel" & other manifestations of Zionism. Any "anti-Semitic" accusations, based on what I have just said, are garbage. Semites have lived together in peace and harmony for centuries in Palestine until the eastern European Khazarian/Ashkenazi crowd came in with Zionism under the cloak of [pretend] Semitic heritage. The entity known as [Zionist] israel no longer exists as far as I am concerned. The murderous Zionist squatters need evicting wherever they are to be found and also let the real Semites decide what goes on in their lands.
Caitlin calls it "the US-centric empire." Israel is just the US beachhead on the north African coast. And Cait has said over and over that we are bombarded with propaganda to keep us complacent.