What really astonishes me is that all my life I've heard these noises about "Peace Process" and "Two State Solution" and we've silently transitioned into a reality where destroying all of Gaza and ethnically cleansing it for the Zionist colonizers, at any human cost being the totally normal and default response. Not even worth discussing. NONE of the voices who gave lip service to either of those (flawed) concepts are even standing up for them as we have lurched into the most extreme of scenarios. Now we are seeing images of concentration camps being constructed in Raffa, and not a single word.
Because the "peace process" and "two-state solution" were always stalling tactics by the Zionists to placate those with liberal sensibilities. Israel has nver been an honest broker, not from day one. Those that signed off on those flawed concepts we now know were either dupes, or passive Zionists themselves.
The pitty Hamas seem as the last hope when all movments to crush the world capitalism are destroyed :First the communist movments , then islamism, trough regime changes. Toulmonde should raise their voice now and shout: The occupier Israel have no rights in Gaza, and Hamas are obliged to show it to them, just as it has done. Noone shall silence the voice of the people around the world. The colonialism, imperialism and rude ockupant mood of the hegemones and their allies shall not get the last word. Hamas was right!
This is like a cop looking right into someone’s phone camera while strangling a black man to death and saying “I am killing this man because I am racist and I want to kill black people,” and then afterward everyone’s still saying “resisting arrest”
Yeah, thanks for the great analogy Caitlin. But this is even worse than that because this is on constantly -- in our faces, flaunted, a gigantic screw you to the world from Israel and the USA -- every moment of every damn day. fiFP fk israel FREE PALESTINE
I have moments when I wish I could projectile vomit on some of the people saying some of the things I read. Like October 7th being another holocaust. Like there being 2 sides to everything.
If I still lived in NYC, I would take the #1 IRT train down to 42nd St., walk down a block to 41st and profusely vomit upon the NY Times Bldg. Today's online edition front page features rotating images of Gazan rubble, tents, children begging for food, as though it's, wait, just another news story --- by a Zionist publication that generally supports this genocide:
What unabashed hypocrisy. We need an army of vomiting protestors to cover the lobby of 242 W. 41st St. in human puke.
The good news -- the Times also reports: "A ballistic missile launched from Yemen struck near the main terminal of Israel’s international airport close to Tel Aviv on Sunday, after the military failed to intercept the projectile". Bravo Al AnsarAllah!
You have got it Vin. Protest outside Mainstream Media. Any offices TV or print. Once these propagandist machines are shut down there will be some hope.
Dear gyp: reminds me of the scams we hooligans used to pull on Halloween in Brooklyn. Fresh dog poop in a paper bag on someone's doorstep. Ring doorbell, light top of bag on fire, step away. Usually, person answering door comes out and reflexively stomps upon burning bag getting a shoe-full of you know what. Would like to introduce a dumpster full of that into the lobby of the Times Building.
It’s just utter evil right before our eyes. The evil doers control the response. They have no morals, conscience, they are long past any sane reasoning. I object to their existence!
We live in an era when The UN has become a neutered, Disunited Nations via the security council veto power. States committing war crimes are able to simply ignore, with impunity, international courts. There are more nations 'governed' by autocrats, oligarchs, military dictators, or whatever, who know they will simply get away with their murderous activities. In the case of Gaza, while ever the Benighted States of America, and others, endorse and militarily support Israel, lying brazenly all the while, nothing will change without serious, possibly riotous societal rebellion. Expect repression. Expect blood in the gutters. Mango Man's misfits and maniacs have their hands on the levers and full-blown fascism is not far off. And this suits Netanyahu, a man with no conscience, very well.
in the u.k. we're horrified and ashamed that our government is 'standing with the u.s.' in funding and weaponising israel's genocide. make no mistake, neither of our countries are a democracy. if they were, the will of the people would matter. our leaders are dictators. our voting systems a mockery.
Before the American Empire took over the sponsorship of Eretz Israel, it was the British Empire that created it within its colony of Palestine, seized from the Ottoman Empire.
The Zionists have been intimately entangled with the London stocks exchange and the British financial institutions for more than two centuries.
What this shows, to me, is that Israel and the U.S. Empire are losing the propaganda battle - they are getting more desperate, sloppy, and ironically honest about their true intentions. They have transitioned to LYING directly to your face with an unprecedented level of chutzpah. Only the MSM tries (sometimes) to provide cover for these EVIL, IMMORAL people - and even that is losing its effect.
The next stage, unfortunately, has already begun - outright kidnappings and use of force in public (reminds me of Stasi Germany). Hold on to your horses, find your support groups, and ORGANIZE!
I understand every word and so does the MSM. Now there's the rub.
We have put up with this corrupted source of news for years now and it is still in place, more effective than ever in fact and the real truth and the extended efforts by Israel to remove Palestinians from their homeland appears to be having little effect on Western Governments who never mention a single word about "genocide" or ethnic cleansing".
We have even seen Trump's plans for the Gaza land and his ongoing support for all the shooting, bombing, starvation and sniper activity occurring daily against the Palestinian people.
We even see in the 'home of democracy' (back in the 18th Century, that is,) that the Police forces in New York see two sets of laws to enforce...one, against any Palestinian support or activity and....two, a total commitment to allow Jews and their fellow travellers to create mayhem and violence against any sign of Palestinian support, demonstrated by just standing around and taking no action at all.
Democracy? Freedom of speech?
The USA has become an international joke and its actions as above being seen by the world as a clear case of 360 million people being told what to do by 9.5 million Israeli foreigners (plus all the so-called loyal local residents, dual passported, many ex-IDF members), committing what were crimes years ago (but now the norm) under Israeli generated US laws passed by an 86% AIPAC controlled government. That is just 14 decent REAL Americans in every 100 elected politicians.
A poll found the majority of Democrats, who get their news thru the MSM for the most part, think Israel is committing genocide. A more recent poll finds that most Americans disapprove of Israel. I would suggest that despite the narrative of "self-defense" and "human shields", the MSM has moved Americans against Israel based on the optics, the videos from Gaza, the suffering children,the landscapes of utter destruction, the bodies wrapped in white crushed by IDF bombs. Trump and most Americans could hardly be further apart.
Gallup reports: "Less Than Half in U.S. Now Sympathetic Toward Israelis
Support for establishment of independent Palestinian state remains at majority level"
Allow me to "cut and paste" results of recent polling...............
"Even Republican Voters Want Policy Change After Trump’s First 100 Days
Washington, DC, April 29, 2025 – One hundred days into the second Trump Administration, Israel is losing the support of U.S. voters for its war on Gaza. That finding is among many in a poll of American voters’ attitudes toward the Trump Administration’s policies regarding Palestine/Israel.
AAI commissioned John Zogby Strategies to poll 1,000 U.S. likely voters April 22-23. For comparison, AAI conducted a similar poll shortly before the November election. This April poll includes only those who cast ballots in November 2024, resulting in a slightly greater representation of voters identifying as Republican, in line with 2024 exit polls.
What comes through is that Israel is losing support among its once rock-solid Republican support base. The result is more Republicans now want President Trump to take a stronger stance to rein in Israel’s behaviors, including withholding aid to Israel to end the occupation of Palestinian lands and end the bombings in Gaza and Lebanon. Once more, Republican voters feel U.S. policy is too one-sided in favor of Israel. The April findings demonstrate a substantial increase in Republicans who agree that the president should apply such pressure on Israel. In 2024, the agree/disagree split for Republicans was 37% to 40%. Now 49% agreed that greater pressure should be applied, as opposed to only 29% disagreed.
A plurality of American voters, 44% to 28% polled, also agree with the International Criminal Court’s finding that Israel’s war on Gaza is tantamount to genocide and its decision to issue an arrest warrant for Prime Minister Netanyahu for war crimes. Among Democrats, 54% agreed and only 15% disagreed. For Republicans, it was 38% to 36%. " Trump is not the USA.....he is a perversion at odds with most Americans on this support for genocide. The tide has shifted.
Right, now they care since their team didn’t win the election. I expected these crocodile tears. The people that truly care, cared before Trump got elected. This is Trump protests to win elections. Beggars can’t be choosers I guess.
>>"The people that truly care, cared before Trump got elected. This is Trump protests to win elections."
🎯 Exactly! Where were Bernie and AOC for 15 months? Why were Bernie and AOC not holding 'Against the Oligarchy' rallies during Biden's presidency? Did oligarchs just suddenly appear out of nowhere when Trump started his second presidency?
I'm not defending Trump here, I'm accusing Bernie, AOC, and many Democrat supporters of being hypocrites!
also, the fairly recent 'hands off' protest included 'hands off' nato but not 'hands off' palestine. there's still an awful long way to go (and then there will be the confrontation in hindsight ...).
it would be nice if there was some organisation to consolidate those numbers into action for them amounting to something more than probably another instance of southpark episode 100. (americans fucked up in the polls that really matter.)
Brings to mind the words I learned as a child, by St. Francis of Assisi, “Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me.”
What are you waiting for? I mean it seriously, the forces that are stopping you will likely be what’s stopping those you are wanting to get this going. When we can identify and analyse those factors, we can improve our chances of understanding and overcoming them.
I think I will be joining you too martin. I figure that if I go really really left maybe Liberal Socialism which we do have here (at the moment in France) despite Macron and his cronies, we could do better. But it is always about keeping Le Pens team out.
the new popular front indeed has quite a range (of focus) to chose from, but it does also suggest that they're indeed primarily an anti le pen coalition, made up of environmentalists, imo somewhat 'fake socialists', and actual anti-capitalists. it seems that the traditional french communist party is rather disappointing with regards to the genocide, though?
----------“We have many objectives, many goals in this war,” Netanyahu said. ---------
I'd been struggling to understand the widespread recent urgency to quash any protests over the ongoing extermination of the Palestinian people. Because these people and the groups they control (law enforcement and tech platforms) are many of them neither Jewish nor religious. The common denominator is that they are obscenely wealthy, and have been planning this annihilation since the beginning. Just as rich developers swooped into New Orleans to profiteer in the wake of Katrina, these sick fucks have been planning to turn Gaza into a new playground for the rich and famous. Now that they have the goal in sight, they do not want interference.
But once Trump said the quiet part out loud, as is his wont, "We're going to clean Gaza, and turn it into a place as beautiful as Mar-a-Lago." the motive became clear to me. Wealth is a mental illness.
🎯💯 You got it perfectly right Marci Sudlow! This IS about money. This IS about Capitalism.
>>"The common denominator is that they are obscenely wealthy, and have been planning this annihilation since the beginning."
and
>>"But once Trump said the quiet part out loud, as is his wont, "We're going to clean Gaza, and turn it into a place as beautiful as Mar-a-Lago." the motive became clear to me. Wealth is a mental illness."
EXACTLY! I wish more people would understand what you just articulated!
As you probably know, because I say it pretty often here, money is an important part of this story, but not the whole story. We really are living in the convergence times where the new unholy trinity reigns: Power, Profits, and Prophets.
An analysis that overlooks any one or part of these three is making a huge mistake. No understanding can be complete, and therefore will be inaccurate, without taking each of these into account.
Zionists, who most likely have no ancestry whatsoever to Palestine, tout that they untruthfully were there 3,500 years ago and have a right of return. Yet the people who have actual ancestry that goes consistently back that far, are told they will have no right of return if they are forced out of the land of their ancestors, that they have nurtured and and lived peacefully in with other religions, by these interlopers with US weaponry against a resistance that has mostly home made weapons, AND THE WORLD'S LEADERS DO DAMN ALL WHILE THIS HOLOCAUST HAPPENS DAILY BEFORE OUR EYES. WHY ARE YOU SUPPORTING THIS EVIL, TERRORIST REGIME OF SATAN WORSHIPERS?
Zionists were not in Palestine 3500 years ago. I understand there were Jews there, but not Zionists. Zionism is a more recent and fascist ideology that became popular when the Nazis and others wanted to get Jews out of Europe.
Absolutely true. They worked with the Nazis to exterminate the Jews. Now they are doing it to the Palestinians.
They produced under the name of a convicted criminal- they seem to have a lot of these on board-the Schofield reference bible, which were handed out to new US American Evangelical pastors on ordination, thereby spreading the lie about how the Jews-their cover story-were promised a homeland using the name of "Israei" the man loved by God, and his descendants were to be led to a place of milk and honey, the other eleven tribes were condemned to wonder for eternity because they broke His laws, and are still doing so.
They also still produce that reference book using Scofeld(his real name) as editor in the latest edition, he would need to be about 170 by now since the book was first put out on 1905.
May I make an observation? I hope I don't sound too presumptuous. I've been following Netanyahu's maniacal machinations since 2022. His main objective is to stay out of jail. He tried to take control of the Judiciary and failed. Let's not forget at one time he urged Qatar to fund Hamas. Why? So that one day he could pin the blame on the entire Palestinian population for voting this "terrorist" group into power. Oct 7 was staged in order to buy him time. Yes, the greater Israel project is another pretext. But, postponing his sentencing is his topmost priority. What better way to postpone it further and completely eradicate the Palestinians than by starting a war with Iran. The world will be distracted by the Iranian war as he finishes off the genocide in Gaza and the West Bank. He is evil to the core.
Are you suggesting that there are NO EASIER WAYS to stay out of jail than Genociding a whole population? If 'staying out of jail' was Netanyahu's ONLY consideration, I'm sure he's not that stupid that he couldn't have figured out better ways of staying out of jail. In fact, I would say that the consequences for Netanyahu will be FAR WORSE for what he (together with the U.S. Empire) has perpetrated on the WHOLE WORLD (not just Palestine, Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, Jorday).
>>"Do you truly believe that the Vampire known as Bibi Nosferatu would NOT genocide a people in order to stay out of jail?"
Yes, I truly believe that Bibi is NOT STUPID enough to do a Genocide JUST so that he doesn't go to jail.
Bibi has MANY reasons to want to ethnically cleanse and Genocide Palestinians - and he would take ANY opportunity to do so - regardless of whether he was facing jail or not.
Staying out of jail by itself probably would have been easier for Israel, if not for Bibi. Bibi probably calculated that if he went for a twofer, he could both stay out of jail AND ethnically cleanse Gaza so it could be absorbed into Israel and, sadly, he has a lot of support for incorporating Gaza in to Israel.
Indeed, the goal is to create Greater Israel, loot the 1.4 trillion cu ft of gas in the Gaza Marine, and once and for all,chase off the Palestinians so Israel can occupy Palestine and expand, as it is doing today also in Syria.
For 14 yrs, Netanyahu supported Hamas to divide the Palestinians to prevent a united front to demand statehood, and he helped funnel in billions in cashin suitcases to keep Hamas afloat. He argued Israel NEEDED Hamas to defeat Palestinian independence.
Today, he and his coalition of far right racists, need Hamas in order to have an enemy to keep fighting, as they are unpopular and would lose power if Hamas were defeated. They NEED Hamas as an enemy as they once needed it as an ally, and this goes to give credence to the claim that without Israeli support, Hamas would not exist (much as the US in the 70's armed and supported al Qaeda).....even AI has it right: "In the 1970s and early 1980s, Israel allowed—and at times encouraged—the activities of Islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza:
Religious charities, mosques, and schools were permitted to operate freely.
The assumption was that these groups would undermine the secular-nationalist PLO, which was the primary resistance force at the time and viewed as Israel’s main enemy.
Some Israeli military and intelligence officials believed that supporting or tolerating Islamist movements would create a useful division within the Palestinian movement."
This is the time-proven strategy of divide, conquer, and loot. Today, it is Hamas that is playing the essential role as enemy to allow a corrupt and unpopular regime to stay in power, sacrificing hostages, hostage families, and Gazans to avoid political suicide, which would come with peace. For the current genocidal regime, which cannot afford to destroy Hamas, war is the shield, and for that reason, Hamas is once again its raison d'etre. These are the blood-red ironies of a dark history of how war is, as Randolf Bourne put it nearly 100 years ago, is the health of the state.
imo, the 'israel supported (created) hamas'-narrative primarily serves to delegitimize hamas as the actual resistance. ironically, it is again part of the 'devide and conquer' strategy, trying to seperate hamas (and surely the pflp) from the palestinian people. the narrative is also somewhat made defunct by fatah's utter subservience to the zionist cause. abbas is surely the one who betrayed the palestinian people. it also distracts the attention from the us elephant in the room.
No, it was never about the hostages, but that gave Netanyahu an excuse people would believe. At this point that should be understood by most people but they still intone the lie. Netanyahu has been showing his greedy map of "Greater Israel" for a long time now.
He will not destroy Hamas either because it is a political system and a military system built out of a determination to keep what belongs to them and defend the innocent. It will grow as the number of victims increases, because that's how resistance movements work. In the end, Netanyahu and his party will destroy themselves.
Evil may succeed briefly but then it burns itself.
*slow golf-tournement style clap* Exacyly, Caitlin. As usual, you've hit this squarely on the head. Israel is as incapable of telling the truth as Donald Trump. And perhaps even more pathological. As I've been saying since this began, I am NOT anti-Semitic, but I am becoming profoundly anti-Israel. Fortunately, I live in Canada where I can say these things openly without risking arrest or incarceration.
Genocides are nothing new in human history, sadly it seems we haven't progressed in any way, some might argue we are in fact de-evolving. What strikes me though is how many people are supporting Israel's latest atrocity, being actively involved is unquestionably barbaric, but surely this is a first where the murderers actually have large cheers squads egging them on.
"How is this not the whole entire conversation every time Gaza comes up? How is this not the beginning, middle and end of every single discussion?"
How is it not? It wouldn't be a problem for a decent, moral human being, but we're talking about zy0nists here. The propagandists for the zy0nists are making sure to repeat over and over again the lies they want the public to believe... It's a war against Hamas. Palestinian babies are Hamas. Everyone is Hamas in Gaza.
Eventually the public becomes too tired and accepts these lies as truths. It's why we can never let up as long as this propaganda is being peddled and reinforced by the paid-off mainstream media pundits. #FreePalestine
What really astonishes me is that all my life I've heard these noises about "Peace Process" and "Two State Solution" and we've silently transitioned into a reality where destroying all of Gaza and ethnically cleansing it for the Zionist colonizers, at any human cost being the totally normal and default response. Not even worth discussing. NONE of the voices who gave lip service to either of those (flawed) concepts are even standing up for them as we have lurched into the most extreme of scenarios. Now we are seeing images of concentration camps being constructed in Raffa, and not a single word.
Because the "peace process" and "two-state solution" were always stalling tactics by the Zionists to placate those with liberal sensibilities. Israel has nver been an honest broker, not from day one. Those that signed off on those flawed concepts we now know were either dupes, or passive Zionists themselves.
The pitty Hamas seem as the last hope when all movments to crush the world capitalism are destroyed :First the communist movments , then islamism, trough regime changes. Toulmonde should raise their voice now and shout: The occupier Israel have no rights in Gaza, and Hamas are obliged to show it to them, just as it has done. Noone shall silence the voice of the people around the world. The colonialism, imperialism and rude ockupant mood of the hegemones and their allies shall not get the last word. Hamas was right!
This is like a cop looking right into someone’s phone camera while strangling a black man to death and saying “I am killing this man because I am racist and I want to kill black people,” and then afterward everyone’s still saying “resisting arrest”
Yeah, thanks for the great analogy Caitlin. But this is even worse than that because this is on constantly -- in our faces, flaunted, a gigantic screw you to the world from Israel and the USA -- every moment of every damn day. fiFP fk israel FREE PALESTINE
I have moments when I wish I could projectile vomit on some of the people saying some of the things I read. Like October 7th being another holocaust. Like there being 2 sides to everything.
I'm right there with you, Susan!
Hold back your vomit and let it all out on the next Zionist Israeli Genocide supporter you meet!
Here's an idea - maybe we should ALL start puking on Israeli Zionists - they definitely deserve it!
Full throttle!
If I still lived in NYC, I would take the #1 IRT train down to 42nd St., walk down a block to 41st and profusely vomit upon the NY Times Bldg. Today's online edition front page features rotating images of Gazan rubble, tents, children begging for food, as though it's, wait, just another news story --- by a Zionist publication that generally supports this genocide:
What unabashed hypocrisy. We need an army of vomiting protestors to cover the lobby of 242 W. 41st St. in human puke.
The good news -- the Times also reports: "A ballistic missile launched from Yemen struck near the main terminal of Israel’s international airport close to Tel Aviv on Sunday, after the military failed to intercept the projectile". Bravo Al AnsarAllah!
You have got it Vin. Protest outside Mainstream Media. Any offices TV or print. Once these propagandist machines are shut down there will be some hope.
A new form of protest though, Jenny -- the CPP: CollectiveProtestPuke
lol Chang…we’ll all carry spoons to shove down our throats to induce puking 😉
PS I have detriment from litter boxes as well, and I’m sure many of us have dogs!
Dear gyp: reminds me of the scams we hooligans used to pull on Halloween in Brooklyn. Fresh dog poop in a paper bag on someone's doorstep. Ring doorbell, light top of bag on fire, step away. Usually, person answering door comes out and reflexively stomps upon burning bag getting a shoe-full of you know what. Would like to introduce a dumpster full of that into the lobby of the Times Building.
Now we're getting somewhere.
It’s just utter evil right before our eyes. The evil doers control the response. They have no morals, conscience, they are long past any sane reasoning. I object to their existence!
We live in an era when The UN has become a neutered, Disunited Nations via the security council veto power. States committing war crimes are able to simply ignore, with impunity, international courts. There are more nations 'governed' by autocrats, oligarchs, military dictators, or whatever, who know they will simply get away with their murderous activities. In the case of Gaza, while ever the Benighted States of America, and others, endorse and militarily support Israel, lying brazenly all the while, nothing will change without serious, possibly riotous societal rebellion. Expect repression. Expect blood in the gutters. Mango Man's misfits and maniacs have their hands on the levers and full-blown fascism is not far off. And this suits Netanyahu, a man with no conscience, very well.
in the u.k. we're horrified and ashamed that our government is 'standing with the u.s.' in funding and weaponising israel's genocide. make no mistake, neither of our countries are a democracy. if they were, the will of the people would matter. our leaders are dictators. our voting systems a mockery.
Before the American Empire took over the sponsorship of Eretz Israel, it was the British Empire that created it within its colony of Palestine, seized from the Ottoman Empire.
The Zionists have been intimately entangled with the London stocks exchange and the British financial institutions for more than two centuries.
The US government created the UN as a neutered entity, right from its conception.
Something must be done about America.
and the u.k.
Hi Patricia:
Yes. It needs to disappear so that it can longer feed its parasite.
Start protesting outside Mainstream Media offices and TV Stations. This is the best hope for us all.
What this shows, to me, is that Israel and the U.S. Empire are losing the propaganda battle - they are getting more desperate, sloppy, and ironically honest about their true intentions. They have transitioned to LYING directly to your face with an unprecedented level of chutzpah. Only the MSM tries (sometimes) to provide cover for these EVIL, IMMORAL people - and even that is losing its effect.
The next stage, unfortunately, has already begun - outright kidnappings and use of force in public (reminds me of Stasi Germany). Hold on to your horses, find your support groups, and ORGANIZE!
Fuck Israel, FREE PALESTINE!
Clear as a bell to me, Tim and Caitlin.
I understand every word and so does the MSM. Now there's the rub.
We have put up with this corrupted source of news for years now and it is still in place, more effective than ever in fact and the real truth and the extended efforts by Israel to remove Palestinians from their homeland appears to be having little effect on Western Governments who never mention a single word about "genocide" or ethnic cleansing".
We have even seen Trump's plans for the Gaza land and his ongoing support for all the shooting, bombing, starvation and sniper activity occurring daily against the Palestinian people.
We even see in the 'home of democracy' (back in the 18th Century, that is,) that the Police forces in New York see two sets of laws to enforce...one, against any Palestinian support or activity and....two, a total commitment to allow Jews and their fellow travellers to create mayhem and violence against any sign of Palestinian support, demonstrated by just standing around and taking no action at all.
Democracy? Freedom of speech?
The USA has become an international joke and its actions as above being seen by the world as a clear case of 360 million people being told what to do by 9.5 million Israeli foreigners (plus all the so-called loyal local residents, dual passported, many ex-IDF members), committing what were crimes years ago (but now the norm) under Israeli generated US laws passed by an 86% AIPAC controlled government. That is just 14 decent REAL Americans in every 100 elected politicians.
How the mighty have fallen
A poll found the majority of Democrats, who get their news thru the MSM for the most part, think Israel is committing genocide. A more recent poll finds that most Americans disapprove of Israel. I would suggest that despite the narrative of "self-defense" and "human shields", the MSM has moved Americans against Israel based on the optics, the videos from Gaza, the suffering children,the landscapes of utter destruction, the bodies wrapped in white crushed by IDF bombs. Trump and most Americans could hardly be further apart.
Gallup reports: "Less Than Half in U.S. Now Sympathetic Toward Israelis
Support for establishment of independent Palestinian state remains at majority level"
Allow me to "cut and paste" results of recent polling...............
"Even Republican Voters Want Policy Change After Trump’s First 100 Days
Washington, DC, April 29, 2025 – One hundred days into the second Trump Administration, Israel is losing the support of U.S. voters for its war on Gaza. That finding is among many in a poll of American voters’ attitudes toward the Trump Administration’s policies regarding Palestine/Israel.
AAI commissioned John Zogby Strategies to poll 1,000 U.S. likely voters April 22-23. For comparison, AAI conducted a similar poll shortly before the November election. This April poll includes only those who cast ballots in November 2024, resulting in a slightly greater representation of voters identifying as Republican, in line with 2024 exit polls.
What comes through is that Israel is losing support among its once rock-solid Republican support base. The result is more Republicans now want President Trump to take a stronger stance to rein in Israel’s behaviors, including withholding aid to Israel to end the occupation of Palestinian lands and end the bombings in Gaza and Lebanon. Once more, Republican voters feel U.S. policy is too one-sided in favor of Israel. The April findings demonstrate a substantial increase in Republicans who agree that the president should apply such pressure on Israel. In 2024, the agree/disagree split for Republicans was 37% to 40%. Now 49% agreed that greater pressure should be applied, as opposed to only 29% disagreed.
A plurality of American voters, 44% to 28% polled, also agree with the International Criminal Court’s finding that Israel’s war on Gaza is tantamount to genocide and its decision to issue an arrest warrant for Prime Minister Netanyahu for war crimes. Among Democrats, 54% agreed and only 15% disagreed. For Republicans, it was 38% to 36%. " Trump is not the USA.....he is a perversion at odds with most Americans on this support for genocide. The tide has shifted.
Right, now they care since their team didn’t win the election. I expected these crocodile tears. The people that truly care, cared before Trump got elected. This is Trump protests to win elections. Beggars can’t be choosers I guess.
>>"The people that truly care, cared before Trump got elected. This is Trump protests to win elections."
🎯 Exactly! Where were Bernie and AOC for 15 months? Why were Bernie and AOC not holding 'Against the Oligarchy' rallies during Biden's presidency? Did oligarchs just suddenly appear out of nowhere when Trump started his second presidency?
I'm not defending Trump here, I'm accusing Bernie, AOC, and many Democrat supporters of being hypocrites!
also, the fairly recent 'hands off' protest included 'hands off' nato but not 'hands off' palestine. there's still an awful long way to go (and then there will be the confrontation in hindsight ...).
Trump represents the interest of some American billionaires and mega-millionaires who profit from his antics.
it would be nice if there was some organisation to consolidate those numbers into action for them amounting to something more than probably another instance of southpark episode 100. (americans fucked up in the polls that really matter.)
Brings to mind the words I learned as a child, by St. Francis of Assisi, “Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me.”
What are you waiting for? I mean it seriously, the forces that are stopping you will likely be what’s stopping those you are wanting to get this going. When we can identify and analyse those factors, we can improve our chances of understanding and overcoming them.
i'm a european card-carrying communist. trying to do my 'walk-on part of the war'.
I think I will be joining you too martin. I figure that if I go really really left maybe Liberal Socialism which we do have here (at the moment in France) despite Macron and his cronies, we could do better. But it is always about keeping Le Pens team out.
the new popular front indeed has quite a range (of focus) to chose from, but it does also suggest that they're indeed primarily an anti le pen coalition, made up of environmentalists, imo somewhat 'fake socialists', and actual anti-capitalists. it seems that the traditional french communist party is rather disappointing with regards to the genocide, though?
Don't forget the 30 million Christian Zionists who see Trump/Netanyahu as instigators of the "End Times"
----------“We have many objectives, many goals in this war,” Netanyahu said. ---------
I'd been struggling to understand the widespread recent urgency to quash any protests over the ongoing extermination of the Palestinian people. Because these people and the groups they control (law enforcement and tech platforms) are many of them neither Jewish nor religious. The common denominator is that they are obscenely wealthy, and have been planning this annihilation since the beginning. Just as rich developers swooped into New Orleans to profiteer in the wake of Katrina, these sick fucks have been planning to turn Gaza into a new playground for the rich and famous. Now that they have the goal in sight, they do not want interference.
But once Trump said the quiet part out loud, as is his wont, "We're going to clean Gaza, and turn it into a place as beautiful as Mar-a-Lago." the motive became clear to me. Wealth is a mental illness.
🎯💯 You got it perfectly right Marci Sudlow! This IS about money. This IS about Capitalism.
>>"The common denominator is that they are obscenely wealthy, and have been planning this annihilation since the beginning."
and
>>"But once Trump said the quiet part out loud, as is his wont, "We're going to clean Gaza, and turn it into a place as beautiful as Mar-a-Lago." the motive became clear to me. Wealth is a mental illness."
EXACTLY! I wish more people would understand what you just articulated!
As you probably know, because I say it pretty often here, money is an important part of this story, but not the whole story. We really are living in the convergence times where the new unholy trinity reigns: Power, Profits, and Prophets.
An analysis that overlooks any one or part of these three is making a huge mistake. No understanding can be complete, and therefore will be inaccurate, without taking each of these into account.
I think it also about racism.
Zionists, who most likely have no ancestry whatsoever to Palestine, tout that they untruthfully were there 3,500 years ago and have a right of return. Yet the people who have actual ancestry that goes consistently back that far, are told they will have no right of return if they are forced out of the land of their ancestors, that they have nurtured and and lived peacefully in with other religions, by these interlopers with US weaponry against a resistance that has mostly home made weapons, AND THE WORLD'S LEADERS DO DAMN ALL WHILE THIS HOLOCAUST HAPPENS DAILY BEFORE OUR EYES. WHY ARE YOU SUPPORTING THIS EVIL, TERRORIST REGIME OF SATAN WORSHIPERS?
Zionists were not in Palestine 3500 years ago. I understand there were Jews there, but not Zionists. Zionism is a more recent and fascist ideology that became popular when the Nazis and others wanted to get Jews out of Europe.
Absolutely true. They worked with the Nazis to exterminate the Jews. Now they are doing it to the Palestinians.
They produced under the name of a convicted criminal- they seem to have a lot of these on board-the Schofield reference bible, which were handed out to new US American Evangelical pastors on ordination, thereby spreading the lie about how the Jews-their cover story-were promised a homeland using the name of "Israei" the man loved by God, and his descendants were to be led to a place of milk and honey, the other eleven tribes were condemned to wonder for eternity because they broke His laws, and are still doing so.
They also still produce that reference book using Scofeld(his real name) as editor in the latest edition, he would need to be about 170 by now since the book was first put out on 1905.
I cannot express in words how sick to death I am of this deformity of a man, the cesspool called Israel and the world's feckless bystanders!
Yes Diane. "The bystanders" are a huge problem.
They are an abysmal disgrace!
May I make an observation? I hope I don't sound too presumptuous. I've been following Netanyahu's maniacal machinations since 2022. His main objective is to stay out of jail. He tried to take control of the Judiciary and failed. Let's not forget at one time he urged Qatar to fund Hamas. Why? So that one day he could pin the blame on the entire Palestinian population for voting this "terrorist" group into power. Oct 7 was staged in order to buy him time. Yes, the greater Israel project is another pretext. But, postponing his sentencing is his topmost priority. What better way to postpone it further and completely eradicate the Palestinians than by starting a war with Iran. The world will be distracted by the Iranian war as he finishes off the genocide in Gaza and the West Bank. He is evil to the core.
>>"His main objective is to stay out of jail."
Are you suggesting that there are NO EASIER WAYS to stay out of jail than Genociding a whole population? If 'staying out of jail' was Netanyahu's ONLY consideration, I'm sure he's not that stupid that he couldn't have figured out better ways of staying out of jail. In fact, I would say that the consequences for Netanyahu will be FAR WORSE for what he (together with the U.S. Empire) has perpetrated on the WHOLE WORLD (not just Palestine, Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, Jorday).
Bibi is a stooge of the American Empire. The GOP is comprised of many stooges of Zionism. Many Democrats, including Biden and Harris, are Zionists.
Every POTUS since the end of WWII has been supporting the Zionists. Israel would not exist without US support.
Chang,
Do you truly believe that the Vampire known as Bibi Nosferatu would NOT genocide a people in order to stay out of jail?
He’s killing two birds with one stone.
>>"Do you truly believe that the Vampire known as Bibi Nosferatu would NOT genocide a people in order to stay out of jail?"
Yes, I truly believe that Bibi is NOT STUPID enough to do a Genocide JUST so that he doesn't go to jail.
Bibi has MANY reasons to want to ethnically cleanse and Genocide Palestinians - and he would take ANY opportunity to do so - regardless of whether he was facing jail or not.
Staying out of jail by itself probably would have been easier for Israel, if not for Bibi. Bibi probably calculated that if he went for a twofer, he could both stay out of jail AND ethnically cleanse Gaza so it could be absorbed into Israel and, sadly, he has a lot of support for incorporating Gaza in to Israel.
>>"Bibi probably calculated....."
And now we are all Bibi mind-reading experts are we? We are all Israeli strategists are we?
Never underestimate how little the public (like ourselves) actually know all the 'behind-the-scenes' details...
Indeed, the goal is to create Greater Israel, loot the 1.4 trillion cu ft of gas in the Gaza Marine, and once and for all,chase off the Palestinians so Israel can occupy Palestine and expand, as it is doing today also in Syria.
For 14 yrs, Netanyahu supported Hamas to divide the Palestinians to prevent a united front to demand statehood, and he helped funnel in billions in cashin suitcases to keep Hamas afloat. He argued Israel NEEDED Hamas to defeat Palestinian independence.
Today, he and his coalition of far right racists, need Hamas in order to have an enemy to keep fighting, as they are unpopular and would lose power if Hamas were defeated. They NEED Hamas as an enemy as they once needed it as an ally, and this goes to give credence to the claim that without Israeli support, Hamas would not exist (much as the US in the 70's armed and supported al Qaeda).....even AI has it right: "In the 1970s and early 1980s, Israel allowed—and at times encouraged—the activities of Islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza:
Religious charities, mosques, and schools were permitted to operate freely.
The assumption was that these groups would undermine the secular-nationalist PLO, which was the primary resistance force at the time and viewed as Israel’s main enemy.
Some Israeli military and intelligence officials believed that supporting or tolerating Islamist movements would create a useful division within the Palestinian movement."
This is the time-proven strategy of divide, conquer, and loot. Today, it is Hamas that is playing the essential role as enemy to allow a corrupt and unpopular regime to stay in power, sacrificing hostages, hostage families, and Gazans to avoid political suicide, which would come with peace. For the current genocidal regime, which cannot afford to destroy Hamas, war is the shield, and for that reason, Hamas is once again its raison d'etre. These are the blood-red ironies of a dark history of how war is, as Randolf Bourne put it nearly 100 years ago, is the health of the state.
imo, the 'israel supported (created) hamas'-narrative primarily serves to delegitimize hamas as the actual resistance. ironically, it is again part of the 'devide and conquer' strategy, trying to seperate hamas (and surely the pflp) from the palestinian people. the narrative is also somewhat made defunct by fatah's utter subservience to the zionist cause. abbas is surely the one who betrayed the palestinian people. it also distracts the attention from the us elephant in the room.
No, it was never about the hostages, but that gave Netanyahu an excuse people would believe. At this point that should be understood by most people but they still intone the lie. Netanyahu has been showing his greedy map of "Greater Israel" for a long time now.
He will not destroy Hamas either because it is a political system and a military system built out of a determination to keep what belongs to them and defend the innocent. It will grow as the number of victims increases, because that's how resistance movements work. In the end, Netanyahu and his party will destroy themselves.
Evil may succeed briefly but then it burns itself.
Hamas and hostages were ever always only a pretext. Not that it matters.
Funny how humans say the most awful truths when they no longer have any responsibilities or face any consequences. N.b."Spoon River Anthology".
One of my all time favourite books! You’ve inspired me to go read it again, as it’s been many years since I last read it.
Yup. And they're doing the same in the West Bank too. Israel and Trump just want all the land, Palestinians be damned.
*slow golf-tournement style clap* Exacyly, Caitlin. As usual, you've hit this squarely on the head. Israel is as incapable of telling the truth as Donald Trump. And perhaps even more pathological. As I've been saying since this began, I am NOT anti-Semitic, but I am becoming profoundly anti-Israel. Fortunately, I live in Canada where I can say these things openly without risking arrest or incarceration.
Genocides are nothing new in human history, sadly it seems we haven't progressed in any way, some might argue we are in fact de-evolving. What strikes me though is how many people are supporting Israel's latest atrocity, being actively involved is unquestionably barbaric, but surely this is a first where the murderers actually have large cheers squads egging them on.
Hi Gary
Which is why “humanity” needs to go the way of the dinosaur, and leave this beautiful earth to more reasonable species.
"How is this not the whole entire conversation every time Gaza comes up? How is this not the beginning, middle and end of every single discussion?"
How is it not? It wouldn't be a problem for a decent, moral human being, but we're talking about zy0nists here. The propagandists for the zy0nists are making sure to repeat over and over again the lies they want the public to believe... It's a war against Hamas. Palestinian babies are Hamas. Everyone is Hamas in Gaza.
Eventually the public becomes too tired and accepts these lies as truths. It's why we can never let up as long as this propaganda is being peddled and reinforced by the paid-off mainstream media pundits. #FreePalestine