Dr. Michael Gosis (RIP), a Jew and fast friend to my dad (RIP), an Italian-American immigrant. He was a beautiful man, delivered my brother, and I recall him expressing to my father that he didn't really give a shite about Israel. My Boston-area housemate Marla, an empathic social worker. These are the Jewish people I think of as close to my heart. None of them were/are Zionists or even a smidgen insane enough to validate that calling out Israel for its maniacal slaughter of Gazans (Christians too!!) would be considered anti-Semitic. In other words, Jews, not insane Netanyahu Zionist acolytes. Anyone not making this distinction continues to both break my heart and raise my ire; can't help it.
You are so right. Zionists have destroyed their own religion, just like the Fundies’ did to Christianity. In a way it’s a hopeful sign, that the pus is being squeezed out of the boil that is religiosity and being replaced with true humanitarianism. I’ve never known more humane people than my Jewish friends.
Below is the definition of Zionism, which is not a religion, but a movement that wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine, and they wanted this even though they knew it was occupied by Palestinians, and called Palestine. That made no difference, not then, not now. It was the ancient homeland of the Jews 2000 years before and they wanted it back. Now they feel they are entitled to carry out a genocide, no questions asked. Their excuse? Hamas won't come out. That's their cover for a genocide, so I guess they think the world is made up of idiots.
"Zionism, Jewish nationalist movement that originated in eastern and central Europe in the latter part of the 19th century that has had as its goal the creation and support of a Jewish national state in Palestine, the ancient homeland of the Jews."
I seem to recollect from my reading of the Bible that the Jews drove the Palestinians out of "the land God gave them" the first time they landed there.
Don't quote me your bible. The Jews left many many hundreds of years before. Some were left but more Christians then Jews lived there and the majority, well over 80 percent, were Palestinians, and they lived there for hundreds of years. When you reference your bible it may represent factual proof to you, but you are making the assumption it represents the same to me, which it does not. At this time of night I am not going to give you a history lesson.
It certainly isn't "my Bible." I can't stand what it says or how it's been used for millenia as a weapon.
It was written by a bunch of self-interested Hebrew good ol' boys to put their claims above all others.
I was quoting it in that sense to show that they were killing the native people because "God said they were given the land" back in those days.They did it thousands of years ago and they are doing it now.
Zionists are basically atheists. Israel's behavior is not aligned with Judaism. It's shameful that they not only misappropriate Palestinian culture (and land, etc.) but they also misappropriate Judaism.
I so agree! If indeed the state of Israel and Zionism represent Judaism what a sad commentary that would be on a religion that is actually based in shared humanity. The state of Israel , especially in its current actions promotes antisemitism with its claims that it stands for every jewish person……as anyone from Jewish Voices for Peace can tell you. Oh , or are they too an antisemitic organization?
I totally agree with you, except that I have met a few real Christians--I'm related to a couple. I've met some a lot of real Muslims. And I've met a couple Jews who actually don't talk religion much but do live by the finer parts of Judaism. Or what I consider that to be. But in the U.S. I'd say the majority of Christians I have met haven't a clue about what Jesus taught--not really--and do all kinds of things that Jesus would object to or really grieve over being done in his name. I don't follow organized religion either, but I do understand how important it is to many and don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. Locally if you have to have five or six Baptist preachers with some kind of congregation to say you are the real deal you can claim God came to you in a dream, that you have "the call", and hang out your shingle and charge for your services. There are a lot of shysters running "Baptist" churches in rural areas as a result.
I grew up in a community that included all religions in the world that I know to exist with the exception of the Native American Church which a sibling has joined as an adult. Some were sincere believers and some were just following their family tradition.
If you listen to some orthodox rabbis, Zionism does not follow Judaism. I am not a rabbi nor interested in diving deep into Judaism, but I did grow up around a lot of Mizrahi Jews. And I do not believe what Zionism has done to the Palestinians is supported by the religion.
Religion seems to have died in the West, in my opinion, and I don't think Americans understand people who live in a world deeply informed by their religion, even if they go to a temple or church. My own ancestral religion is Shinto Buddhism but I don't consider myself Buddhist. Shintoism does speak to me. One of the tragedies of colonialism is that many people are not raised in their ancestral religious tradition and I am one of them. It causes a loss of culture and language. I do not believe religions travel cross-culturally, either. So i don't really consider the Ashkenazi Jewish.
But each to their own, I guess, unless they are harming someone else by shoving their beliefs down their throats.
You may not practice an organized religion but you cannot avoid holding some sort of world view, even if you don't recognize it. Fish do not recognize water until they are out of it. Why I advocate true travel (as opposed to tourism), which is fairly rare, in my opinion. I think most Israelis are a kind of perverted tourist.
Big problem in the U.S. I think it's because many people need a community to belong to. There are real Christians out there, Mike. I don't happen to be a believer but I do know quite a few Christians whose integrity and beliefs I respect. Same is true of any other religion. One of my closest friends in high school was Zoroastrian. Most genuinely spiritual person I ever met.
I'm Italian also, and if you read our history in this country, well, it was non to kind toward Italians, Poles and Jews as well. Come from northern or western Europe you were A Okay. Things change. There is a great article in the NY Times that covers some of that history. The link's below, just in case you have access to their paper. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/12/opinion/columbus-day-italian-american-racism.html
Si, mi ricordo tutto lo bene. I remember all of it well; the stories from my nonna. By working as a carpenter to put himself through school, my dad escaped it mostly; became an attorney. And our family had tons of Jewish friends and acquaintances; we didn't fall into the paisan rut.
What's the paisan rut? Well, by time I was born I didn't experience it the way my grandparents or their children did. I do ancestry and I read up on those kinds of things. I hear you saying by moving up the social ladder one escapes the prejudice and that's true and that's why there was so much emphasis on doing just that. Unfortunately it took Italians a long time to think of education as a way of doing that, but getting a house or car, right on. I was fortunate enough to grow up with a mother who made me see the ugliness of prejudice, so anything said I never took seriously.
I’ve some Italian in me as well Fran, as well as several other Mediterranean nationalities. We’re passionate folk, unlike those Anglos and Northern Europeans!
My father emigrated here
from a tiny country that 99% of Amerikkkans couldn’t find on a map.
I'm half Polish, so what does that mean? I had older relatives who would walk through a German neighborhood, and they would through glass bottles at them that would smash on the cement ground. The glass would splinter and fly and some of them got cut. Screw them!
People have a tendency to interdict criticism of a subculture on the basis of the silly anecdotal principle "But I know lots of folks from that subculture who are wonderful people!"
Then we have the red flag of certain subcultures that are special and have extra protection from our Western Mainstream against any substantive criticism -- the Black subculture (shutting down criticism with the "racism" charge), Muslims ("you're Islamophobic!"), the LGBTQ subculture ("homophobic!") -- and the most powerful of all: "You're anti-Semitic!"
The existence of nice wonderful Jews is IRRELEVANT to whether their subculture has sociopolitically & culturally deleterious tendencies.
That really got into full swing during the Trump years. You saw shades of grey, you were a Trumper. Offer any criticism of the marches during Black Lives Matters, you were a racist, like Trump. Question our totally open borders, you're a Trumper, a racist, and anti-immigrant. They used him that way, and what they accomplished was to make America more autocratic, even telling parents how to raise their kids. The irony is, that the democrats who really played this to the hilt, well, their leader is out there hugging a genocidal, corrupt piece of sh..!
Yes, I understand what you mean. I'm all over the spectrum and can't classify myself as "left" or "right". I wish people would stop trying to choose sides and instead work on common, shared human values of love, respect, dignity, compassion, kindness, etc.
Why does one have to choose between "left" or "right"? Why can't someone be both or none? Why is it always "US" versus "THEM"? This kind of thinking gets exhausting, but people - being the group animals they are (evolutionary psychology reasons) just can't help themselves falling into this divide-and-conquer paradigm.
You mentioned a few "subcultures". What would be a "culture" in your terminology? A "superculture"? Do you consider yourself being part of it? Hence impervious to being labeled anything?
Like, let's say you are of the "culture". Further let's assume you are a "wonderful" person of that culture. Does that mean all of the "culture" inhabitants are "wonderful" people?
I don't. I was referring to the first colonizers of North America. Not only natives were non-human to them, but subsequent immigrants from Europe were to slave and discriminate against too.
I think in regard to a number of groups they began implementing the same strategy. If you were critical of a more or less marginalized group on an issue they would shut you down with the same accusations. Do that, and democracy goes out the window. The Biden administration is and was big on that crap, like he really cares as he supplies the weapons to kill thousands, and thousands, and thousands of people. SOB!
“…. Hopefully this desensitization that Israel and its apologists have created doesn’t have dark consequences in the future. It’s just one more ugly thing they have birthed into the world that the rest of us will have to bring consciousness to….”
Unfortunately, all too many of us are apologists and enablers for zionist genocide. It’s not just a few people. And it is ALL of our mis-leaders, charlatans they all are.
God bless South Africa’s leaders for standing up and declaring their committment to separating right from wrong in the global community, and making these murders accountable for their crimes.
Because at the moment, in the so called west, the concept “global community” and “rules based order” seem to mean only a group of gutless vassals who greenlight and enable murder and genocide of the world’s have-nots.
Their overuse of the label basically ruined the sting, just like those of "fascist" or "Nazi". From my experience Jews themselves like to use it mockingly amongst themselves. As in recognizing its vapidity.
On another Substack, I read an article that essentially made the argument that criticizing the Israeli government is the same as believing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. So I asked in the comments, "So criticizing the Israeli government is the same as believing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?" And I was told that yes indeed it is. And also that I was spreading propaganda by asking the question.
Yep, the Ashkenazim are supposedly superior to EVERYONE, and all those who criticize their evils (just as "Christians" and "Protestants" and others have their evils) are deserving of death as far as those Ashkenazim are concerned, and I believe they've simply been biding their time for decades until they will get unholy actions to be taken against ALL of their critics, getting them falsely arrested for "hate crime(s)", and/or getting them killed for daring to stand up for the truth. The Ashkenazim don't tolerate any truth about them, and will "kill" it any way they can.
What we most need to make clear is that they really reject God, while at the same time, if they're really religious at all (most of them aren't religious much), they claim to be for God. But they reject the Son of God, the Messiah Jesus, which is rejecting God the Father, and it leaves them open to all kinds of evil, and to it taking them over more and more. Yet this is not singling out the Ashkenazim, as most people reject Jesus the Son of God and the Messiah, Jesus the Christ, leaving them open to being taken over by evil increasingly as well.
I live in an Ashkenazim owned and operated elderly-disabled apartment complex in a city that is at least half run by them, and the other half by the Irish Catholics who run the police, and likely cater to the Ashkenazim (in fact, many of the judges and associated personnel, prosecutors, etc., are likely Ashkenazim), and I wonder how many non-Jews, including those in their apartment complexes (four complexes a few blocks apart) they have been responsible for the deaths of, at least indirectly. I know I'm one of their targets because I have "dared" to stand up to them, and call them out on all of their evils here. They discriminate like crazy, and the "goy" have nothing coming as far as they're concerned, because the Ashkenazim falsely believe all of us are nothing but "animals" to be sacrificed on the altar of evil disguised as "righteousness". All the "goy" tenants are good for as far they're concerned is help keep the larger portions of corporate welfare flowing in that pays the balance of the subsidized tenants' rent, as well as the twenty to thirty percent that the tenants pay which authorize the release of the greater funds from the government, all of which has made the owners quite well-to-do, if not rich (of course, they likely were already rich, and have had their hands in many "pies", in addition to subsidized-property ownership.
As a result, I am gang-stalked all over town by them when I rarely go out, and they have harassed me as much as they could get away with, having entered my apartment for "inspections" under false pretenses (lying claiming that it involved something else that was nothing but a lie---which reminds me of the fact that they have no problem with lying all the time, particularly to "goy"). They claim they believe in and uphold the U.S. Bill of Rights, but they violate it at will. All those who "dare" to stand up to the Ashkenazim have supposedly waived all respect of their rights, and almost anything goes in "dealing with them", including violating their privacy to the max, as much as they can get away with.
Due to my standing up to them, I am not only gang-stalked, everything I do is monitored (because, since I stand up for human and civil rights, I must be "up to no good", and they are seeking any "dirt" on me that they can use against me). I wouldn't be surprised by anything they do really. They have already had staff and "informant" tenants spy on me, listen in on my conversations, and report everything I say back to them. They have turned all of the Ashkenazim tenants (which is likely what most of the tenants are) against me, and made them paranoid of me because I am unvaccinated [this was initiated by staff in violation of law (confidentiality and privacy laws); and remember, they already consider all "goy" (non-Ashkenazim) to be "animals" who must be eliminated, and very soon they will stop at nothing even more in order to come after us]. In fact, with the present genocidal "vaccine" program that they primarily own and operate, they are already doing so. In fact, they run the entire global(ist) government enslavement program now being increasingly unleashed on the entire world.
Again, anything goes with these people, many if not most of whom are the real "animals" (if their genocide in Gaza doesn't clearly prove that, I don't know what will); and, as the restraining power of God's Holy Spirit is withdrawn more and more, the stops will increasingly be removed, and they will get more and more animalistic in their response(s) to non-Ashkenazim, particularly those who "dare" to stand up to them. As they are already doing in "Israehell" and Ukraine and elsewhere, they are the ones who are now carrying out the "pogroms", and now those pogroms are increasingly against the non-Ashkenazim who stand up against them, just as the W.W.2 Nazis did against those who stood up against them.
People whose lord and master is Satan, which is all those who reject God the Father and/or His Son Jesus the Christ, are capable of just about anything, and they will very soon be such even more so. They will be controlled by Satan to such an increasing extent that that evil will more and more actuate them, and it will come out in increasingly ugly and monstrous ways (as, really, we're already seeing in "Israehell" and Ukraine, etc.). Thus, soon they will stop at nothing to eradicate in one way or another all those who represent liberty, freedom and human rights, and who stand against all of the Ashkenazim evil(s); because, to them, all True Righteousness is "evil" and must be completely destroyed, as in history past.
We are in the beginning of the very end, the apocalypse, and all hell on earth is starting to break loose. The God-given constraints that kept the Ashkenazim and other evil people relatively benign and at bay for decades are being removed, and all those who are controlled by evil are increasingly being animated by evil, and will show it against all those who are trying to only represent doing nothing but what is truly right. So, if you are not already such, get completely right with God through Jesus the Christ before it is very soon too late, if it isn't already too late for most people, which it likely is. All those who die without God through Jesus the Christ as their ONLY Lord and Master, will die without salvation, and thus know only eternal death, having forfeited God's freely-proffered eternal life. The Ashkenazim aren't the only ones by a long shot.
Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni talks openly on Israelis’ use of false accusations of anti-Semitism to shut down criticism. “It’s a trick and we always use it…”
Ilan Pappe's books abound with such quotes. The Israeli rulers have always been extremely cynical and lying bunch. They would use anything and everything to get at what they need. Supposedly smart Jewish population of Israel seems to overwhelmingly support the general idea.
" It causes people who care deeply about human rights to take a step back and say
“Hold on, am I guilty of embodying the same hateful prejudices which led to the Holocaust?”"
If people had spoken out more loudly about the Holocaust and even before that when Jews were trying to flee from Germany to get away from the hate, maybe the Holocaust would have stopped sooner or maybe not even happened. People are exhibiting caring about others and showing that they have humanity when they speak out about what is happening in Gaza right now. And sometimes they are putting themselves in danger of being arrested or losing their jobs for speaking up. That is bravery, not antisemitism.
U.S. such a corrupt foul roque state. To allow Israel to blackmail and harass so we could protect the oil assets in the Gulf states. And sickeningly allow this unwarranted butchery to continue is mind-
numbing and reprehensible!! World knows we’re heartless, but depraved too!!
I am not Jewish. I am German born, post war. I have made it my business to learn my country's history. I have read one of the Nürnberg trial transcripts. From beginning to end, all 1000 plus pages in small print. It gave me nightmares for years. I have also seen verfied documents and avidavits about the atrocities. There were gas chambers in Auschwitz! And also other concentration camps. But not in Dachau. These were built by the Americans after the war.
If you belief the holocaust didn't happen you are seriously wrong informed. And that's polite on my part.
Having said this I do not support the Israeli's war on Gaza. Just so we are clear.
Moni, There were no homicidal gas chambers or factories of death. There were some massacres of Jews on the Eastern front, but, if you were in a work camp such as Auschwitz you probably survived the war unless you were a victim of an epidemic such as Typhus or Tuberculosis. The Germans didn't do anything the Allies didn't do. As a matter of fact, the Germans adhered to the Geneva Convention more strictly than the Americans, British, and especially the Soviets. I have also read all 42 volumes of the Nuremberg transcripts, but are we reading the same pages. I found the transcripts so ridiculous as to be unbelievable. Peddle driven brain-bashing machines, roller-coasters of death. Execution steam rooms and murder by Atomic Bombs, just to name a few of the witness accounts. Get off your knees, you didn't do anything wrong. I'll even go as far to say it's a pity the Germans didn't win the war in Europe. Because the people of European heritage would be much better off today, if they had!
I beg to differ, papasha408. There are mounds of evidence of more than just ‘some’ massacres on the eastern front during WW2. Some German soldiers or officers witnessed these atrocities and have been interviewed on past documentaries and they would have no reason to lie when it was not to benefit their side. One such person who witnessed these war crimes was either a colonel or general in the Wehrmacht, Henning Von Tresckow, who also was in the plot to kill Hitler and later committed suicide before being caught by Hitler’s henchmen. There is another one, but can’t remember his name(he’s the one that was interviewed on a documentary l saw some time ago). There is old film footage of people being rounded up and shot a long side open pits. I’ve read where the men were taken first so there would be no one to help save the women and children when it came to be their time. But now we all need to be focused on this current genocide that is taking place now in Gaza. Happening now in real time for all the world to see. You see, I’m an equal opportunity GENOCIDE HATER. All genocide is WRONG, no matter who the perpetrators are.😢☮️
Well, Sylvia, I agree that the Israelis are committing genocide by mass-murdering the Palestinian population of Gaza and the West Bank. But, the Germans or the Nazis get blamed for some of the most ridiculous charges imaginable! Let us take the Nuremberg War Trials as an example of propaganda on steroids. The current Holocaust storytellers say the trials proved the mass murder of Jews. But, nothing like that has ever been proved and the main charges did not relate at all to the alleged mass murder of Jews. the indictments at the trials were 1. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of a crime against peace. 2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace. 3. War Crimes 4. Crimes against Humanity. In a fair normal legal system it is established that no one can be charged for a crime that was not a crime at the time the act was committed. you shouldn't be able to charge someone for an act which was not classified as a crime at the time when it was committed. But, the Nuremberg trial indictments are clearly a major abrogation of this principle, a fact which led British Generals, Bernard Montgomery and Harold Alexander to be appalled by these trials. Montgomery even remarked with reference to the trials that he no longer wished to lead an army because it had now become a crime to lose a war. The Allies changed the laws in late 44 in preparation for these trials. The legal basis of these main charges aside, the entire Nuremberg trials process was from the very beginning a mockery because one of the judging parties was the Soviet Union who for the first two years of the war had been an Ally of Nazi Germany. For the German leaders to be charged with waging aggressive war and planning, initiating, and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace and then be found guilty by judges who included the Soviet Union is one of the most extreme acts of twisted irony ever seen on the international legal stage. If Germany could be charged with invading Poland on September 1, 1939 then why weren't the Soviets charged with invading Poland on September 17, 1939 after concluding a secret deal with Nazi Germany. In other words, why wasn't the soviet Union not charged with waging aggressive war over its invasion of Finland on November 30, 1939 or lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia in June 1940. I suppose the winners can do whatever they like and spew whatever propaganda they choose. The 3rd charge of war crimes was equally outrageous.. According to the definition used at the trials a war crime was a serious violation of the laws and customs of war. The mass Allied bombings of all of Germany and much of Europe started by the British with the Germans only retaliating after months of bombings on the Reich was certainly a violation and customs of war as were the mass rapes of German women carried out by Soviet and American soldiers.in 1945. The allies decided to put Germans on trial for a handful of acts committed by underlings, none of which were ever sanctioned by the senior levels, unlike the bombing of civilians an idea that came from Winston Churchill himself. The 4th charge Crimes against humanity was vaguely defined by the Nuremberg Trials as acts committed in execution or in connection with an aggressive war. In other words the defendants at the Nuremberg trials were never charged with murdering or mass-gassing Jews. It should also be noted that most if not all of the evidence at the trials has long since been accepted as not only false, but, incredibly stupid and absurd to boot. Examples of the evidence submitted are 'Jewish soap, 'Shrunken heads, Lampshades, filling prisoner mouths with cement to stop them from singing patriotic Communist songs, and, murder by a pedal driven brain bashing machine. and, for people who still think movies like 'Sophie's Choice and Schindler's List, are relevant, please understand that there is no document or documentary evidence of homicidal gas chambers in any of the work camps, and more importantly these is no forensic evidence that any of these gassings took place.
So you read all 42 volumes too but you didn't believe them. Are you some sort of a mind-reader, some extraordinary seer of things? Would be interesting if you two compared notes of what you read from those volumes.
"but are we reading the same pages" - indeed. You sure you didn't read some Hollywood scripts instead?
Incredible how many sick people like you are out there. Sieg Heil, папаша.
Right, the All-seeing, All-hearing MahaRushi as one fat fuck used to say - that's who you are.
OK, for now you're assigned the rank of Sharführer. Report to Obersharführer Che for duty. The password is super-secret, here it is: "Heil Hitler". The right arm goes you know where.
I really appreciate your lengthy reply! Thanks for taking the time. There are definitely things on which we agree. As a German born that's not always easy to admit.
There are people who completely deny the Holocaust and it hurts my heart and soul. I assumed you were on of them. I apologise!
It was not only Jewish people in concentration camps of course. They also should be remembered.
I believe the individual suffering needs to be validated. Just as the suffering of the people in Palestine, and any war zones in the world, on all sides.
The Third Reich was an abomination in my eyes and fills me with horror. Regardless if it was 6 million humans or 2.5 million. The sad thing is that history keeps repeating itself and is allowed to do so in the name of power and greed.
I just long for peace, kindness and tolerance for the future of my children and grandchildren. And true justice now that I am awake...
Based on my research - he (Ernst Zundel) comes across as a conspiracy theorist and a true anti-semite (and not a fake one like what Western media or ADL or AIPAC are doing and have been doing for a long time).
Surely you dont think the international world order or rules of war and humanity apply to the ALLIES?! Or Israel. Sorry for the sarcasm but its a little more than depressing.
I think it is important to recognize this is a country primarily made up of Jewish people whose very existence came into being due to the fact they are Jewish. The Zionist were looking for a place of their own, a safe haven, due to the prejudice Jewish people experienced in Europe. After WWII and the Holocaust we have Israel, on Palestinian land. I don't think that should be forgotten, and is one of the reasons I find the ongoing genocide on the Palestinian people particularly appalling. I'm sure many Jewish people feel that as well. I'm not going to allow them to hide behind Antisemitism, a word used to keep their critics at bay. I don't think anyone should let them forget how totally hypocritical their position is. The carnage in terms of the number of people slaughtered, the hospital system destroyed, as Palestinians are pushed from one side of Palestine to another and are continuously pursued where the assaults and deaths continue says it all. Gallant also said it all when he called them animals, not deserving of food, water, or fuel.
If being anti genocide, anti ethnic cleansing, anti murderous hate (Israel is "in the right" because, afterall, they are slaughtering "human beasts," although I'm not clear on how infants and children attain this level of subhumanness(new word?!)...anyhow, I digress. Maybe I should start wearing Israel's sneering, ugly, vicious charges of being an antisemite with pride. Israel has managed to completely undo whatever legitimate meaning that word might have had. And it sickens me to think my Dad and Uncle's faced death in WWII for this to occur. Israel and it's defenders are, for me, the epitome of EVIL.
My uncle Louis lost his life, uncle June (Adolph) lost his leg, uncle Edward lost his mind, and dad never uttered a word about any of it, never owned a flag, and never spoke a word on Vietnam or Iraq 1 either.
All 💯% German ancestry boys.
I’m an atheist, but “swords into plowshares” sounds like sound thinking to me.
Yeah, my grandfather didn't go to Europe with General George S. Patton to fight Nazis just to give into them. Never again means NEVER AGAIN for anyone!!
Terrific two-hour conversation today on the Electronic Intifada on this subject as well as thoughts on the psychology behind the Israeli carpet-bombing of Gaza. Highly recommend you watch the whole thing. Quite insightful. It's European guilt that responds to claims of anti-Semitism. And those claims are a cover-up for Israeli recognition that the land they're sitting their fat asses on is all stolen. Abdaljawad Omar has a very interesting perspective on why Europe, and to a lesser degree the U.S., are defending Israel. Off-loading their guilt for the Holocaust onto the Jew's Jew, the Palestinians. Really worth the time it takes to listen to this.
Dr. Michael Gosis (RIP), a Jew and fast friend to my dad (RIP), an Italian-American immigrant. He was a beautiful man, delivered my brother, and I recall him expressing to my father that he didn't really give a shite about Israel. My Boston-area housemate Marla, an empathic social worker. These are the Jewish people I think of as close to my heart. None of them were/are Zionists or even a smidgen insane enough to validate that calling out Israel for its maniacal slaughter of Gazans (Christians too!!) would be considered anti-Semitic. In other words, Jews, not insane Netanyahu Zionist acolytes. Anyone not making this distinction continues to both break my heart and raise my ire; can't help it.
You are so right. Zionists have destroyed their own religion, just like the Fundies’ did to Christianity. In a way it’s a hopeful sign, that the pus is being squeezed out of the boil that is religiosity and being replaced with true humanitarianism. I’ve never known more humane people than my Jewish friends.
“Most Zionists do not believe God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine.” - Ilan Pappé
Below is the definition of Zionism, which is not a religion, but a movement that wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine, and they wanted this even though they knew it was occupied by Palestinians, and called Palestine. That made no difference, not then, not now. It was the ancient homeland of the Jews 2000 years before and they wanted it back. Now they feel they are entitled to carry out a genocide, no questions asked. Their excuse? Hamas won't come out. That's their cover for a genocide, so I guess they think the world is made up of idiots.
"Zionism, Jewish nationalist movement that originated in eastern and central Europe in the latter part of the 19th century that has had as its goal the creation and support of a Jewish national state in Palestine, the ancient homeland of the Jews."
I seem to recollect from my reading of the Bible that the Jews drove the Palestinians out of "the land God gave them" the first time they landed there.
Don't quote me your bible. The Jews left many many hundreds of years before. Some were left but more Christians then Jews lived there and the majority, well over 80 percent, were Palestinians, and they lived there for hundreds of years. When you reference your bible it may represent factual proof to you, but you are making the assumption it represents the same to me, which it does not. At this time of night I am not going to give you a history lesson.
It certainly isn't "my Bible." I can't stand what it says or how it's been used for millenia as a weapon.
It was written by a bunch of self-interested Hebrew good ol' boys to put their claims above all others.
I was quoting it in that sense to show that they were killing the native people because "God said they were given the land" back in those days.They did it thousands of years ago and they are doing it now.
Thanks for calling out yet another Bible-thumper, Fran!
I wish these people would give themselves a good thump upside the head with their bibles. It might knock some sense into ‘em.
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On the money!
It's those Khazerian Mafia types causing the trouble, while hiding behind Jewish martyrs.
an interesting paradox
Zionists are basically atheists. Israel's behavior is not aligned with Judaism. It's shameful that they not only misappropriate Palestinian culture (and land, etc.) but they also misappropriate Judaism.
I so agree! If indeed the state of Israel and Zionism represent Judaism what a sad commentary that would be on a religion that is actually based in shared humanity. The state of Israel , especially in its current actions promotes antisemitism with its claims that it stands for every jewish person……as anyone from Jewish Voices for Peace can tell you. Oh , or are they too an antisemitic organization?
So very true!
I disagree.
I’ll just say that every human being that I have met has misappropriated the
texts/tenants of the religious belief system that they claim to adhere to.
Every one I have ever encountered plays god, and warps their so called religion to suit their own agenda.
I’ve never met a real christian, and I’m just plain sick and tired of all the damage that the Abrahamists do.
I gave up believing, and tried thinking instead.
I’m much more sane as a result.
I think.
I totally agree with you, except that I have met a few real Christians--I'm related to a couple. I've met some a lot of real Muslims. And I've met a couple Jews who actually don't talk religion much but do live by the finer parts of Judaism. Or what I consider that to be. But in the U.S. I'd say the majority of Christians I have met haven't a clue about what Jesus taught--not really--and do all kinds of things that Jesus would object to or really grieve over being done in his name. I don't follow organized religion either, but I do understand how important it is to many and don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. Locally if you have to have five or six Baptist preachers with some kind of congregation to say you are the real deal you can claim God came to you in a dream, that you have "the call", and hang out your shingle and charge for your services. There are a lot of shysters running "Baptist" churches in rural areas as a result.
I grew up in a community that included all religions in the world that I know to exist with the exception of the Native American Church which a sibling has joined as an adult. Some were sincere believers and some were just following their family tradition.
If you listen to some orthodox rabbis, Zionism does not follow Judaism. I am not a rabbi nor interested in diving deep into Judaism, but I did grow up around a lot of Mizrahi Jews. And I do not believe what Zionism has done to the Palestinians is supported by the religion.
Religion seems to have died in the West, in my opinion, and I don't think Americans understand people who live in a world deeply informed by their religion, even if they go to a temple or church. My own ancestral religion is Shinto Buddhism but I don't consider myself Buddhist. Shintoism does speak to me. One of the tragedies of colonialism is that many people are not raised in their ancestral religious tradition and I am one of them. It causes a loss of culture and language. I do not believe religions travel cross-culturally, either. So i don't really consider the Ashkenazi Jewish.
But each to their own, I guess, unless they are harming someone else by shoving their beliefs down their throats.
You may not practice an organized religion but you cannot avoid holding some sort of world view, even if you don't recognize it. Fish do not recognize water until they are out of it. Why I advocate true travel (as opposed to tourism), which is fairly rare, in my opinion. I think most Israelis are a kind of perverted tourist.
Yeah, it might be kinda nice to actually know people who really practice what that zealot preached.
I’m here in merica, with this collection of pathetic posers and pretenders.
When one is really familiar with the holey bibble, them types is pretty nauseating, if ya ask me.
The golden rule pretty much sums it up, don’t it?
Nice to meet cha.
Big problem in the U.S. I think it's because many people need a community to belong to. There are real Christians out there, Mike. I don't happen to be a believer but I do know quite a few Christians whose integrity and beliefs I respect. Same is true of any other religion. One of my closest friends in high school was Zoroastrian. Most genuinely spiritual person I ever met.
Very true, except I think you mean pus. Puss is a face or else a pussycat.
Yes, thank you. I do!
Fixed.
I'm Italian also, and if you read our history in this country, well, it was non to kind toward Italians, Poles and Jews as well. Come from northern or western Europe you were A Okay. Things change. There is a great article in the NY Times that covers some of that history. The link's below, just in case you have access to their paper. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/12/opinion/columbus-day-italian-american-racism.html
Si, mi ricordo tutto lo bene. I remember all of it well; the stories from my nonna. By working as a carpenter to put himself through school, my dad escaped it mostly; became an attorney. And our family had tons of Jewish friends and acquaintances; we didn't fall into the paisan rut.
What's the paisan rut? Well, by time I was born I didn't experience it the way my grandparents or their children did. I do ancestry and I read up on those kinds of things. I hear you saying by moving up the social ladder one escapes the prejudice and that's true and that's why there was so much emphasis on doing just that. Unfortunately it took Italians a long time to think of education as a way of doing that, but getting a house or car, right on. I was fortunate enough to grow up with a mother who made me see the ugliness of prejudice, so anything said I never took seriously.
I’ve some Italian in me as well Fran, as well as several other Mediterranean nationalities. We’re passionate folk, unlike those Anglos and Northern Europeans!
My father emigrated here
from a tiny country that 99% of Amerikkkans couldn’t find on a map.
How you doing Gypsy in this crazy, crazy world?
"Wops" they used to call you, right? We know the Jews' label. And Poles didn't need one.
Left/right or conservative/liberal means nothing.
Establishment v anti-establishment; or tax-payer vs tax-takers/users; or elected class vs voting class are the only binaries left for me.
It really is the 1% vs the 99% but they keep us so divided on race, abortion, elections, guns, taxes etc we can’t focus on the true target ...
Also Dagos and Guineas.
I'm half Polish, so what does that mean? I had older relatives who would walk through a German neighborhood, and they would through glass bottles at them that would smash on the cement ground. The glass would splinter and fly and some of them got cut. Screw them!
I hope you don't call us wops. I love Italy, love Sicily.
People have a tendency to interdict criticism of a subculture on the basis of the silly anecdotal principle "But I know lots of folks from that subculture who are wonderful people!"
Then we have the red flag of certain subcultures that are special and have extra protection from our Western Mainstream against any substantive criticism -- the Black subculture (shutting down criticism with the "racism" charge), Muslims ("you're Islamophobic!"), the LGBTQ subculture ("homophobic!") -- and the most powerful of all: "You're anti-Semitic!"
The existence of nice wonderful Jews is IRRELEVANT to whether their subculture has sociopolitically & culturally deleterious tendencies.
That really got into full swing during the Trump years. You saw shades of grey, you were a Trumper. Offer any criticism of the marches during Black Lives Matters, you were a racist, like Trump. Question our totally open borders, you're a Trumper, a racist, and anti-immigrant. They used him that way, and what they accomplished was to make America more autocratic, even telling parents how to raise their kids. The irony is, that the democrats who really played this to the hilt, well, their leader is out there hugging a genocidal, corrupt piece of sh..!
Yes, I understand what you mean. I'm all over the spectrum and can't classify myself as "left" or "right". I wish people would stop trying to choose sides and instead work on common, shared human values of love, respect, dignity, compassion, kindness, etc.
Why does one have to choose between "left" or "right"? Why can't someone be both or none? Why is it always "US" versus "THEM"? This kind of thinking gets exhausting, but people - being the group animals they are (evolutionary psychology reasons) just can't help themselves falling into this divide-and-conquer paradigm.
You mentioned a few "subcultures". What would be a "culture" in your terminology? A "superculture"? Do you consider yourself being part of it? Hence impervious to being labeled anything?
Like, let's say you are of the "culture". Further let's assume you are a "wonderful" person of that culture. Does that mean all of the "culture" inhabitants are "wonderful" people?
"subculture" is sort of analogous to what the Mainstream has termed "minority"
I don't. I was referring to the first colonizers of North America. Not only natives were non-human to them, but subsequent immigrants from Europe were to slave and discriminate against too.
B R A V O !!
Ma Lei non e mica un cafone ...🤣🤣🤣
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Non sempre, ma ogni tanto si. Grazie.
Insert meme..."Everyone I do not like on the Internet is Hitler"
Reductio ad Hitlerum
We are sick of Israel and their Jewish Supremacy and Chosen people privilege.
-as they act like a hitler-esque character..
"Anyone I don't like on the Internet is..." A communist; a socialist; a feminist; a leftist...
How can it be anti-semitic when so many Jewish people are condemning what Israel is doing to Gaza?
Diana van Eyk
Israel and its apologists have a name for them. In their distorted thinking they are - "self-hating Jews".
Such a BS distortion. As though objecting to genocide makes you a self-hating anything. That argument has never held any water for me.
Great comment, Diana.
I think in regard to a number of groups they began implementing the same strategy. If you were critical of a more or less marginalized group on an issue they would shut you down with the same accusations. Do that, and democracy goes out the window. The Biden administration is and was big on that crap, like he really cares as he supplies the weapons to kill thousands, and thousands, and thousands of people. SOB!
Right on, Fran. He’s not called “Genocide Joe” for nothing.
Overly influential I would say, Che.
Watch the MSM if you don’t believe me.
I know and very obviously have a lot of clout in the US. I can't believe or don't want to believe that Israel is going to get off this crime wave.
The Jews in IsraHell ain’t condemning it.
Some are. https://twitter.com/i/status/1740886106877661325
“…. Hopefully this desensitization that Israel and its apologists have created doesn’t have dark consequences in the future. It’s just one more ugly thing they have birthed into the world that the rest of us will have to bring consciousness to….”
Unfortunately, all too many of us are apologists and enablers for zionist genocide. It’s not just a few people. And it is ALL of our mis-leaders, charlatans they all are.
God bless South Africa’s leaders for standing up and declaring their committment to separating right from wrong in the global community, and making these murders accountable for their crimes.
Because at the moment, in the so called west, the concept “global community” and “rules based order” seem to mean only a group of gutless vassals who greenlight and enable murder and genocide of the world’s have-nots.
Well said.
Antisemitism has been redefined from "anyone who doesn't like Jews" to "anyone Israel doesn't like".
Their overuse of the label basically ruined the sting, just like those of "fascist" or "Nazi". From my experience Jews themselves like to use it mockingly amongst themselves. As in recognizing its vapidity.
On another Substack, I read an article that essentially made the argument that criticizing the Israeli government is the same as believing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. So I asked in the comments, "So criticizing the Israeli government is the same as believing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?" And I was told that yes indeed it is. And also that I was spreading propaganda by asking the question.
. . .
. . .
These. Arguments. Are. Bananas.
Yep, the Ashkenazim are supposedly superior to EVERYONE, and all those who criticize their evils (just as "Christians" and "Protestants" and others have their evils) are deserving of death as far as those Ashkenazim are concerned, and I believe they've simply been biding their time for decades until they will get unholy actions to be taken against ALL of their critics, getting them falsely arrested for "hate crime(s)", and/or getting them killed for daring to stand up for the truth. The Ashkenazim don't tolerate any truth about them, and will "kill" it any way they can.
What we most need to make clear is that they really reject God, while at the same time, if they're really religious at all (most of them aren't religious much), they claim to be for God. But they reject the Son of God, the Messiah Jesus, which is rejecting God the Father, and it leaves them open to all kinds of evil, and to it taking them over more and more. Yet this is not singling out the Ashkenazim, as most people reject Jesus the Son of God and the Messiah, Jesus the Christ, leaving them open to being taken over by evil increasingly as well.
I live in an Ashkenazim owned and operated elderly-disabled apartment complex in a city that is at least half run by them, and the other half by the Irish Catholics who run the police, and likely cater to the Ashkenazim (in fact, many of the judges and associated personnel, prosecutors, etc., are likely Ashkenazim), and I wonder how many non-Jews, including those in their apartment complexes (four complexes a few blocks apart) they have been responsible for the deaths of, at least indirectly. I know I'm one of their targets because I have "dared" to stand up to them, and call them out on all of their evils here. They discriminate like crazy, and the "goy" have nothing coming as far as they're concerned, because the Ashkenazim falsely believe all of us are nothing but "animals" to be sacrificed on the altar of evil disguised as "righteousness". All the "goy" tenants are good for as far they're concerned is help keep the larger portions of corporate welfare flowing in that pays the balance of the subsidized tenants' rent, as well as the twenty to thirty percent that the tenants pay which authorize the release of the greater funds from the government, all of which has made the owners quite well-to-do, if not rich (of course, they likely were already rich, and have had their hands in many "pies", in addition to subsidized-property ownership.
As a result, I am gang-stalked all over town by them when I rarely go out, and they have harassed me as much as they could get away with, having entered my apartment for "inspections" under false pretenses (lying claiming that it involved something else that was nothing but a lie---which reminds me of the fact that they have no problem with lying all the time, particularly to "goy"). They claim they believe in and uphold the U.S. Bill of Rights, but they violate it at will. All those who "dare" to stand up to the Ashkenazim have supposedly waived all respect of their rights, and almost anything goes in "dealing with them", including violating their privacy to the max, as much as they can get away with.
Due to my standing up to them, I am not only gang-stalked, everything I do is monitored (because, since I stand up for human and civil rights, I must be "up to no good", and they are seeking any "dirt" on me that they can use against me). I wouldn't be surprised by anything they do really. They have already had staff and "informant" tenants spy on me, listen in on my conversations, and report everything I say back to them. They have turned all of the Ashkenazim tenants (which is likely what most of the tenants are) against me, and made them paranoid of me because I am unvaccinated [this was initiated by staff in violation of law (confidentiality and privacy laws); and remember, they already consider all "goy" (non-Ashkenazim) to be "animals" who must be eliminated, and very soon they will stop at nothing even more in order to come after us]. In fact, with the present genocidal "vaccine" program that they primarily own and operate, they are already doing so. In fact, they run the entire global(ist) government enslavement program now being increasingly unleashed on the entire world.
Again, anything goes with these people, many if not most of whom are the real "animals" (if their genocide in Gaza doesn't clearly prove that, I don't know what will); and, as the restraining power of God's Holy Spirit is withdrawn more and more, the stops will increasingly be removed, and they will get more and more animalistic in their response(s) to non-Ashkenazim, particularly those who "dare" to stand up to them. As they are already doing in "Israehell" and Ukraine and elsewhere, they are the ones who are now carrying out the "pogroms", and now those pogroms are increasingly against the non-Ashkenazim who stand up against them, just as the W.W.2 Nazis did against those who stood up against them.
People whose lord and master is Satan, which is all those who reject God the Father and/or His Son Jesus the Christ, are capable of just about anything, and they will very soon be such even more so. They will be controlled by Satan to such an increasing extent that that evil will more and more actuate them, and it will come out in increasingly ugly and monstrous ways (as, really, we're already seeing in "Israehell" and Ukraine, etc.). Thus, soon they will stop at nothing to eradicate in one way or another all those who represent liberty, freedom and human rights, and who stand against all of the Ashkenazim evil(s); because, to them, all True Righteousness is "evil" and must be completely destroyed, as in history past.
We are in the beginning of the very end, the apocalypse, and all hell on earth is starting to break loose. The God-given constraints that kept the Ashkenazim and other evil people relatively benign and at bay for decades are being removed, and all those who are controlled by evil are increasingly being animated by evil, and will show it against all those who are trying to only represent doing nothing but what is truly right. So, if you are not already such, get completely right with God through Jesus the Christ before it is very soon too late, if it isn't already too late for most people, which it likely is. All those who die without God through Jesus the Christ as their ONLY Lord and Master, will die without salvation, and thus know only eternal death, having forfeited God's freely-proffered eternal life. The Ashkenazim aren't the only ones by a long shot.
Intimidation on .Congress from AIPAC keep
The West in lock step to these nonsensical accusations
$$$$$$$$$$$
Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni talks openly on Israelis’ use of false accusations of anti-Semitism to shut down criticism. “It’s a trick and we always use it…”
https://youtu.be/5zjaSlP2OxE?si=yn0asCZ3MX9swrAA
Ilan Pappe's books abound with such quotes. The Israeli rulers have always been extremely cynical and lying bunch. They would use anything and everything to get at what they need. Supposedly smart Jewish population of Israel seems to overwhelmingly support the general idea.
And that’s a damn shame too!!
" It causes people who care deeply about human rights to take a step back and say
“Hold on, am I guilty of embodying the same hateful prejudices which led to the Holocaust?”"
If people had spoken out more loudly about the Holocaust and even before that when Jews were trying to flee from Germany to get away from the hate, maybe the Holocaust would have stopped sooner or maybe not even happened. People are exhibiting caring about others and showing that they have humanity when they speak out about what is happening in Gaza right now. And sometimes they are putting themselves in danger of being arrested or losing their jobs for speaking up. That is bravery, not antisemitism.
U.S. such a corrupt foul roque state. To allow Israel to blackmail and harass so we could protect the oil assets in the Gulf states. And sickeningly allow this unwarranted butchery to continue is mind-
numbing and reprehensible!! World knows we’re heartless, but depraved too!!
too bad the US couldn't get a little more brave and a lot less greedy
Dear Ernesto
I am not Jewish. I am German born, post war. I have made it my business to learn my country's history. I have read one of the Nürnberg trial transcripts. From beginning to end, all 1000 plus pages in small print. It gave me nightmares for years. I have also seen verfied documents and avidavits about the atrocities. There were gas chambers in Auschwitz! And also other concentration camps. But not in Dachau. These were built by the Americans after the war.
If you belief the holocaust didn't happen you are seriously wrong informed. And that's polite on my part.
Having said this I do not support the Israeli's war on Gaza. Just so we are clear.
He didn't deny the Holocaust happened, he implied homicidal gas chambers didn't exist.
Moni, There were no homicidal gas chambers or factories of death. There were some massacres of Jews on the Eastern front, but, if you were in a work camp such as Auschwitz you probably survived the war unless you were a victim of an epidemic such as Typhus or Tuberculosis. The Germans didn't do anything the Allies didn't do. As a matter of fact, the Germans adhered to the Geneva Convention more strictly than the Americans, British, and especially the Soviets. I have also read all 42 volumes of the Nuremberg transcripts, but are we reading the same pages. I found the transcripts so ridiculous as to be unbelievable. Peddle driven brain-bashing machines, roller-coasters of death. Execution steam rooms and murder by Atomic Bombs, just to name a few of the witness accounts. Get off your knees, you didn't do anything wrong. I'll even go as far to say it's a pity the Germans didn't win the war in Europe. Because the people of European heritage would be much better off today, if they had!
I beg to differ, papasha408. There are mounds of evidence of more than just ‘some’ massacres on the eastern front during WW2. Some German soldiers or officers witnessed these atrocities and have been interviewed on past documentaries and they would have no reason to lie when it was not to benefit their side. One such person who witnessed these war crimes was either a colonel or general in the Wehrmacht, Henning Von Tresckow, who also was in the plot to kill Hitler and later committed suicide before being caught by Hitler’s henchmen. There is another one, but can’t remember his name(he’s the one that was interviewed on a documentary l saw some time ago). There is old film footage of people being rounded up and shot a long side open pits. I’ve read where the men were taken first so there would be no one to help save the women and children when it came to be their time. But now we all need to be focused on this current genocide that is taking place now in Gaza. Happening now in real time for all the world to see. You see, I’m an equal opportunity GENOCIDE HATER. All genocide is WRONG, no matter who the perpetrators are.😢☮️
Well, Sylvia, I agree that the Israelis are committing genocide by mass-murdering the Palestinian population of Gaza and the West Bank. But, the Germans or the Nazis get blamed for some of the most ridiculous charges imaginable! Let us take the Nuremberg War Trials as an example of propaganda on steroids. The current Holocaust storytellers say the trials proved the mass murder of Jews. But, nothing like that has ever been proved and the main charges did not relate at all to the alleged mass murder of Jews. the indictments at the trials were 1. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of a crime against peace. 2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace. 3. War Crimes 4. Crimes against Humanity. In a fair normal legal system it is established that no one can be charged for a crime that was not a crime at the time the act was committed. you shouldn't be able to charge someone for an act which was not classified as a crime at the time when it was committed. But, the Nuremberg trial indictments are clearly a major abrogation of this principle, a fact which led British Generals, Bernard Montgomery and Harold Alexander to be appalled by these trials. Montgomery even remarked with reference to the trials that he no longer wished to lead an army because it had now become a crime to lose a war. The Allies changed the laws in late 44 in preparation for these trials. The legal basis of these main charges aside, the entire Nuremberg trials process was from the very beginning a mockery because one of the judging parties was the Soviet Union who for the first two years of the war had been an Ally of Nazi Germany. For the German leaders to be charged with waging aggressive war and planning, initiating, and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace and then be found guilty by judges who included the Soviet Union is one of the most extreme acts of twisted irony ever seen on the international legal stage. If Germany could be charged with invading Poland on September 1, 1939 then why weren't the Soviets charged with invading Poland on September 17, 1939 after concluding a secret deal with Nazi Germany. In other words, why wasn't the soviet Union not charged with waging aggressive war over its invasion of Finland on November 30, 1939 or lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia in June 1940. I suppose the winners can do whatever they like and spew whatever propaganda they choose. The 3rd charge of war crimes was equally outrageous.. According to the definition used at the trials a war crime was a serious violation of the laws and customs of war. The mass Allied bombings of all of Germany and much of Europe started by the British with the Germans only retaliating after months of bombings on the Reich was certainly a violation and customs of war as were the mass rapes of German women carried out by Soviet and American soldiers.in 1945. The allies decided to put Germans on trial for a handful of acts committed by underlings, none of which were ever sanctioned by the senior levels, unlike the bombing of civilians an idea that came from Winston Churchill himself. The 4th charge Crimes against humanity was vaguely defined by the Nuremberg Trials as acts committed in execution or in connection with an aggressive war. In other words the defendants at the Nuremberg trials were never charged with murdering or mass-gassing Jews. It should also be noted that most if not all of the evidence at the trials has long since been accepted as not only false, but, incredibly stupid and absurd to boot. Examples of the evidence submitted are 'Jewish soap, 'Shrunken heads, Lampshades, filling prisoner mouths with cement to stop them from singing patriotic Communist songs, and, murder by a pedal driven brain bashing machine. and, for people who still think movies like 'Sophie's Choice and Schindler's List, are relevant, please understand that there is no document or documentary evidence of homicidal gas chambers in any of the work camps, and more importantly these is no forensic evidence that any of these gassings took place.
So you read all 42 volumes too but you didn't believe them. Are you some sort of a mind-reader, some extraordinary seer of things? Would be interesting if you two compared notes of what you read from those volumes.
"but are we reading the same pages" - indeed. You sure you didn't read some Hollywood scripts instead?
Incredible how many sick people like you are out there. Sieg Heil, папаша.
I'm just someone who can recognize propaganda and bullshit when I see it. Obviously, you can't!
Right, the All-seeing, All-hearing MahaRushi as one fat fuck used to say - that's who you are.
OK, for now you're assigned the rank of Sharführer. Report to Obersharführer Che for duty. The password is super-secret, here it is: "Heil Hitler". The right arm goes you know where.
Hi Ernesto
I really appreciate your lengthy reply! Thanks for taking the time. There are definitely things on which we agree. As a German born that's not always easy to admit.
There are people who completely deny the Holocaust and it hurts my heart and soul. I assumed you were on of them. I apologise!
It was not only Jewish people in concentration camps of course. They also should be remembered.
I believe the individual suffering needs to be validated. Just as the suffering of the people in Palestine, and any war zones in the world, on all sides.
The Third Reich was an abomination in my eyes and fills me with horror. Regardless if it was 6 million humans or 2.5 million. The sad thing is that history keeps repeating itself and is allowed to do so in the name of power and greed.
I just long for peace, kindness and tolerance for the future of my children and grandchildren. And true justice now that I am awake...
Best wishes
Moni
It doesn't help that the Deutschland government forbids discussion,and punishes people for questioning the anti semite codes
"The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering" by Norman Finkelstein is also a fascinating read.
Based on my research - he (Ernst Zundel) comes across as a conspiracy theorist and a true anti-semite (and not a fake one like what Western media or ADL or AIPAC are doing and have been doing for a long time).
Surely you dont think the international world order or rules of war and humanity apply to the ALLIES?! Or Israel. Sorry for the sarcasm but its a little more than depressing.
Thank you Ernesto!
Thankfully I don't live in Germany any more considering the current climate.
I hate fascism of any kind but sadly that's where the world is headed.
I don't condone any atrocities whoever commits them. And there are plenty of examples in modern history and current.
Again we agree on some points.
I am sorry I can't write more.
Happy New Year and thank you for engaging.
Just a thought.
It seems like the Russians, and their associates, are the ones who really suffered from the Nazi nuthouse.
Yet they get no airplay when WW2 atrocities are discussed by the new nazis in isra-hell and the United Snakes.
You’re opinion is invited, if you don’t mind.
Thank you.
Exactly.
Twenty six million dead.
Sounds like a real Holocaust to me.
I liken what the Jews do/are doing/have done, to the slaughter of the red peoples of north america.
Since it’s where I was born, this one hits closest to home.
I think that the Palestinians might be their symbiotic twins.
I’ve been on this shit since the 60s, and it just keeps getting worse.
It makes me sick, literally.
You, and a few other folks around here, are some of the rare positives from 2023.
It matters much, during dark, dark days.
Them fuckers will sell anything for a shekel or two, won’t they.
Yet observe how many flee, like rats off a sinking ship.
Past time to get out the pest amelioration.
Fuck the live traps.
Only the skull crushing kind will suffice.
Actually, they’re more akin to mice, certainly not men.
Have a peaceful new year.
Hope!!!
The Zionist deception has run its course. It will *not* shut us up. The narrative has crumbled, the endgame is nigh...
The defining characteristic of “self defense” is proportionality.
Thank you, South Africa!
I think it is important to recognize this is a country primarily made up of Jewish people whose very existence came into being due to the fact they are Jewish. The Zionist were looking for a place of their own, a safe haven, due to the prejudice Jewish people experienced in Europe. After WWII and the Holocaust we have Israel, on Palestinian land. I don't think that should be forgotten, and is one of the reasons I find the ongoing genocide on the Palestinian people particularly appalling. I'm sure many Jewish people feel that as well. I'm not going to allow them to hide behind Antisemitism, a word used to keep their critics at bay. I don't think anyone should let them forget how totally hypocritical their position is. The carnage in terms of the number of people slaughtered, the hospital system destroyed, as Palestinians are pushed from one side of Palestine to another and are continuously pursued where the assaults and deaths continue says it all. Gallant also said it all when he called them animals, not deserving of food, water, or fuel.
Oh, and big thumbs up to South Africa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If being anti genocide, anti ethnic cleansing, anti murderous hate (Israel is "in the right" because, afterall, they are slaughtering "human beasts," although I'm not clear on how infants and children attain this level of subhumanness(new word?!)...anyhow, I digress. Maybe I should start wearing Israel's sneering, ugly, vicious charges of being an antisemite with pride. Israel has managed to completely undo whatever legitimate meaning that word might have had. And it sickens me to think my Dad and Uncle's faced death in WWII for this to occur. Israel and it's defenders are, for me, the epitome of EVIL.
Yeah.
My uncle Louis lost his life, uncle June (Adolph) lost his leg, uncle Edward lost his mind, and dad never uttered a word about any of it, never owned a flag, and never spoke a word on Vietnam or Iraq 1 either.
All 💯% German ancestry boys.
I’m an atheist, but “swords into plowshares” sounds like sound thinking to me.
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Yeah, my grandfather didn't go to Europe with General George S. Patton to fight Nazis just to give into them. Never again means NEVER AGAIN for anyone!!
Terrific two-hour conversation today on the Electronic Intifada on this subject as well as thoughts on the psychology behind the Israeli carpet-bombing of Gaza. Highly recommend you watch the whole thing. Quite insightful. It's European guilt that responds to claims of anti-Semitism. And those claims are a cover-up for Israeli recognition that the land they're sitting their fat asses on is all stolen. Abdaljawad Omar has a very interesting perspective on why Europe, and to a lesser degree the U.S., are defending Israel. Off-loading their guilt for the Holocaust onto the Jew's Jew, the Palestinians. Really worth the time it takes to listen to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qasw2CfHLpM
Well, of course they did. Playbook 101.