You should care about indoctrination. It's the central theme of Ms. Johnstone's writing. People are taught (and learn) what is right and wrong. And everyone is capable of appalling behavior.
Untrue. I have never exhibited what could be construed as “appalling behavior” except through words, perhaps.
And I have a number of friends whose parents came up from the South to work in the auto industry; they overcame their parents’ inherent racism.
People actually ARE capable of change; they frequently don’t wish to. The vampires inhabiting IsraHell are not capable, because vampires are gonna vampire.
Of course people are capable of change, just as they are capable of self-restraint against destructive impulses (most of the time, and with exceptions for some people with brain damage). I'm happy to hear that you have never exhibited appalling behavior; that does not mean you lack the capacity.
Racism is not inherent, so your friends did not overcome 'their parents' inherent racism'. Racism is learned and can be unlearned. Even if, as you say, people tend to get rigid in their attitudes as they age. They are most flexible when young and adopt their life philosophies in late adolescence. Military people understand this and prefer to recruit men in their late teens or early twenties.
When you describe Israelis as vampires, you are dehumanizing them in just the same way that they dehumanize Palestinians as vermin. That is not helpful.
Behavior is one way to distinguish a vampire. They subsist on the blood of others, and reside in colonies (IsraHell in this case.)
If you have no belief in cryptids that ain’t my fucking fault; there are an infinite number of things that mere humans do not understand about this earth we live on.
I've read the Bible, but the way it was taught to me mattered. I was taught of a Jesus as an anarchist shit-disturber, fighting against an entrenched class of elites; his followers wanted him to go against Rome, but the problem wasn't with Rome, but with its collaborators.
Now, others have been taught the same book and come away with a totally different idea (and I cannot figure out how...)
Yeah, but it comes down to how these storybooks are presented. They are not necronomicon-level possession devices. The parents and the village. That's the key here.
Indoctrination is very powerful, and strongly resistant to change. If it wasn't they wouldn't work so hard at it, starting from birth.
I remember talking with a friend years ago, and asked him if he would accept mass slaughter and of course he said no. But when I mentioned all that in the bible, he said that that was different. It was fine if god said to do it. smh
I think we need to give a fuck about indoctrination and we need to try to stop it from happening. Yes, human beings know right from wrong, but zionist kids are seriously brainwashed. There is also the doc, Israelism
Let’s not overlook the indoctrination of many Americans who support Zionism and Eretz Israel.
Also speak, if you can, with American military personnel who were ordered to slaughter civilians in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc. Many are suffering from PTSD from their experience. Others have committed suicide. The psychopaths who enjoyed what they did were rewarded with medals and/or promoted. They have/had the benefit of not having guilty consciences.
The US “all volunteer” armed forces acts as a filter to deter some people of conscience from enlisting.
Psychopaths gravitate towards occupations where they can do psychopathic activities. Normal people will end up committing suicide if put in those positions. Normal people should take a close look at what the military represents these days. It is NOT representing self defense. It is a totally aggressive destructive force for no good.
My husband had a high school classmate who was under the command of William Calley at My Lai. When ordered to fire, he did so once, looked around and noticed some of the others failing to follow orders, and put his firearm down.
He and the others who refused to participate in a massacre were court-marshalled.
They are. It is utterly shocking what zionist parents are raising these children to be. It is a form of child abuse and it is not limited to zionist children in israel.
I agree with you that it is a type of child abuse. Anywhere there are Zionists it is happening. I never fully understood how insidious and dangerous the Hebrew schools teaching Zionism were until I saw Israelism.
I have wonder just how that could be done, and what tactics it would take? Cure is sometimes claimed to be worse than the disease. In this case, I would fear, that getting rid of all religions, would likely be a good fit for that description, or perhaps, if not worse, then be just as bad.
I am not talking about getting rid of religion. I am talking about not indoctrinating children with a Zionist ideology. Zionism is not a religion. It is a fascist ideology. Like Nazism.
I apologize, I hadn't realized you wanted to rid us of only some forms of indoctrination. From my perspective, religion is indoctrination. The Old Testament, and other 'holy' books proclaim genocide and tribal warfare. In this current case, the one breeds the other. Political zionism long followed religious zionism. I don't know how you can separate the core values of one from the other.
I hear what you are saying. I don't like religion either. It just sounded in the first post you made as if you might be saying that Judaism is the problem. I do think that ideologies like Zionism and Nazism are a step above religions though in that they so openly promote supremacy and hatred of others. Religions are much quieter about those promotions which, I suppose could make them worse. But right now, in this world, it is Zionism that is causing so much division, hatred and pain for so many.
Zionism is an ideology built on a certain version of Judaism. There are such extreme political ideologies based on almost every major religion. Wahabism based on islam, hindutva based on Hinduism, trumpism (Nazism) based on bible, etc. for example.
Assholes use religions as tools of manufacturing consent for their assholery. It's simple as that. A lot of pro-palestinian people are also just that - assholes. They would do the same kind of despicable stuff to other people if given the opportunity. I know from my personal experience that they already do so already. They are our allies in this particular struggle and they are just that. Let's keep it real.
The "religion" of Jesus was simple. LOVE YOUR CREATOR WITH YOU WHOLE BEING and LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. If you neighbor is trying to murder you self defense is in order.
It's a bit more challenging than that. You're talking about raising spoiled narcissists. Raising a child to be a sociopath requires more effort; some combination of parenting without love or affection combined with stringent parental discipline requiring submission to arbitrary rules together with expectations that the child can meet (a double-bind situation).
Some children reject that program directly and, after a struggle (as disobedient kids), develop a healthy ego. Others, like Hitler and Trump, are subjugated and subdued by the parental power and can only later react against it. At that point, the reaction manifests in the form of destructive rage and a desire for retribution that seems to be insatiable.
It doesn't take a village to create a sociopath, just a badly warped family. But I'm sure that a badly warped village could do the job just as well.
What if these human beings don't see human beings next door, but slobbering "human animals" constantly plotting their death? Kids push boundaries, test the ethical waters. And without a sane, measured response from their guardians, their communities, their Nation... ?
Do human beings REALLY "Know right from wrong"? I have my doubts with that statement.
Firstly, you are of course assuming that everyone shares your particular values. Secondly, that everyone would react the same to the same pressures.
Because what we have here is clashing 'Right and wrong' values.
Is it right to follow orders; to defend your nation and people?
Now, SOME people will always ask "WHAT orders?", and SOME people will always say "YES!", and SOME people will like to think they would ask that question but actually wouldn't in the situation. And indeed some people may think they would follow, but in the moment will surprise themselves by finding a objection.
Just about everyone will lie, or 'manipulate their environment' for their own ends - and for a large number, that also includes lying to cause harm as well as for their own benefit.
As every military psychologist despairingly says at some point: "It's when they are older, with time to think, and no group around to reinforce the group-think instilled by military 'discipline', that the conscience reasserts itself in most normal people - and then they self-destruct.".
'Disobeying orders' is also taught as a definite WRONG, from a very early age. And "Questioning orders through morality" has historically lead to short future lives as well, often ending in front of a line of jolly decent chaps with rifles pointing at you and someone offering a cigarette. [Smoking kills, btw.]
So yes, 'right and wrong'. But in normal lives, those are often very complex, and for soldiers, the very training is supposed to overwrite that.
After all, soldiers are trained to murder other people. It's literally their job description.
It's notable that it's usually murdered women and children who haunt the soldiers.
Nick, Caitlin is not making excuses. Indoctrination can desensitise and condition human beings. But the human also has the capacity to rise above the conditioning.
Get lost, idiot. Cannabis use does not encourage violence, but just the opposite. Neither does cannabis use diminish individual thinking. Cannabis use has its drawbacks, but it is peaceable.
Beyond the pale. You seem to have joined up with the worst of the diabolical egregores. Stoners like you are mean (Why are you on this list? It makes no sense! Keep cheerleading those Zionist geniuses.), and many are violent. Reported.
I don't use cannabis, so please drop the 'stoner' label. In addition, I do not adhere to the idea of so-called 'egregores'; that is, that collective beliefs create an entity or 'thought-form' which goes on to influence human beliefs and behaviors.
In my view, you have a cartoonish (flattened) perspective on human behavior that has no correspondence to our material or trans-material reality.
But, if you have some evidence for your ideas, please provide them. I remain open to new ideas.
As kid in NYC, I witnessed a lot of depravity. Sick a-holes throwing bricks at Black kids; young toughs fist-fighting on the subway over seats that should've been given to the elderly; young sociopaths practicing their art by urinating through schoolyard fences on the homeless "bums" sleeping inside the schoolyard -- I mean some really perverse stuff. But nothing I saw in my youth in the sordidness of the Big Rotten Apple comes close to the mental illness of the IDF actions described in this post and elsewhere. Fuck Israel. Free Palestine
"It really is that simple. Israel really is that bad. And so is anyone who supports it." I can think of no word adequate enough to describe the bottomless evil of Israel, the rabid dog of the USA. But, every government in the world that puts up with Israeli ambassadors on their territory plays a part in the slaughter by starvation being inflicted on nearly 2 million Palestinians.
The current Israeli government is the one Einstein is referring to in this open letter to the New York Times in 1948:
"To the Editor or The New York Times : Amongst the most disturbing political phenomena of our time is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948
outstanding evidence, excellent video. I didn't know all that information, yet i have read a lot of books about this topic since Oct. 7th. Thank you vm
Israel is now guilty of the worst of the Hitler Nazi war crimes; genocide, ethnic cleansing, murder, intentional starvation of women and children. They’ve committed a Holocaust; Never Forget what Israel has done to the Palestinians of Gaza. I am a Catholic US military veteran and I oppose this slaughter. One can not be a Christian and also support Israel; they are mutually exclusive now.
That's not true. The right-wing Christian evangelists support Zionism and always have. They actually believe all the shit about the return of Christ and the end times.
Christian ZIONIST is an oxymoron. That means they are opposing beliefs. Here is a Greg Reese video that explains why I stated this. Christian ZIONISTS are IGNORANT morons. ZIONISM is from SATAN. They don't even bother figuring it out. https://rumble.com/v3py72s-zionism-and-the-creation-of-israel.html After watching that tell me how someone can be a "Christian Zionist." maybe a ZIONIST, but not a true Christian.
Heh, Feral. And kittens are scared of nothing; unlike puppies and children who run away, a kitten will puff itself up, hiss, extend its claws and confront its adversary.
Thank you Caitlin Johnstone for speaking up about this horrific tragedy taking place. As an American, I am both appalled and disgusted at the genocide the Israeli's are conducting as my government allows it to happen. If you speak up and oppose the genocide or say anything critical about Israel or Nuttenyahoo, the antisemite label is tossed out, its happened to me. Israel is doing to the Palestinians, what the Germans did to them in WWII.
What Israel doesn't factor in is that all Empires come to an end. The USA, my government is in a fast decline and heading towards a collapse. That's why Trump has taken the country into protection mode (and NO, I did not vote for him, just saying). When the US collapses, Israel will not have Big Brother to protect or fund it. At that point in time, Israel will recreate the season finale of The Walking Dead as all its enemies will come looking for Israel.
It is a rapidly decaying empire. It's economy is based on fictitious capital. It no longer manufactures goods for use, only for death. The greed and worship of wealth have turned the U.S. into a country filled with imbeciles, including most of Congress. China outproduces the U.S. and takes better care of its citizens.
"However, what we are seeing now is simply the end of any pretense that the United States is anything other than an empire."
That pretense was apparent if you had only looked 2-3 decades ago. Once the Soviet Empire ended in 1991, the US became what Ronald Reagan once called the Soviet Union, "The Evil Empire".
A six year old child could figure out with 5 apples and 15 hungry children that many will go hungry. It is basic math. The United States tried to convince everyone that 1+1 =12 with their monetary, banking and financial shenanigans.
The entire West is headed towards a sovereign debt default. The US will default when no one is willing to buy their "new debt, to payoff or service the old debt". That's when the US defaults. This is what happens when politicians continue to borrow with NO intention of ever paying it back and yearly US debt levels are growing exponentially.
Interest alone on the US National debt is around $1 trillion a year and that figure is growing. No wonder why DJT wants the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates.
And I will add that the US has a growing homeless problem, young people saddle with $10's of thousands of dollars in student loans with worthless diplomas. The average American doesn't have $500 to pay for emergency medical care or automobile repair. Housing costs have become unsustainable. Food prices are out of control. The latest according to Zerohedge is that Americans are now using "buy now, pay later" for food supplies.
If I were a doctor, I would say the patient known as the United States, has Stage 4 cancer.
>>"The US will default when no one is willing to buy their "new debt, to payoff or service the old debt"."
That's not how the debt system works for countries that have monopolistic control over their sovereign currency printing. I recommend learning about how the Fed and Treasury work (in the real world) and not theoretically (i.e. as claimed by politicians, etc.). Check out MMT (Modern Monetary Theory).
Briefly, the U.S. can NEVER DEFAULT on its debt (unless it makes a willing, conscious, political decision to). The U.S. can ALWAYS print more money to not only pay any and all interest payments, but ALSO to buy back all its debt. Furthermore, as the U.S. can print how much ever money it wants to - it does not need to sell debt for 'money spending purposes'. It sells debt to control inflation mainly (i.e. absorb excess money floating in the private and other spheres), and for political reasons (eg. debt diplomacy), as a tool in its foreign policy arsenal, and other reasons.
Israel could not exist without the U.S. Its nuclear weapons technology came from the U.S., its weapons come from the U.S., its economy is supported by the U.S. Any country, if there is such a country that fundamentally can not exist without being subsidized by American taxpayers that country should not exist. Then not only should it not exsist, but that country already does not exist. It’s not really a country but a vassal state of its benefactor.
Furthermore, please stop referring Israeli military as a defense force. (IDF) They are an occupation force. (IOF).
"Specifically, during the mid-1950s France’s control over Algeria—which it considered part of France and not just another colony—was increasingly contested by a domestic insurgency that was receiving substantial support from the Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser. Paris responded by eliciting Israel’s help in providing intelligence on the Algerian situation in return for French conventional weaponry. The opportunity to transform this into nuclear cooperation presented itself in 1956 when Paris asked Israel to provide France and Britain with a pretext to intervene militarily in what became the Suez Canal crisis."
Yeah I think it’s Israel - the way they’ve been living since it’s inception but I also think it’s partly their whacky religion that says some pretty disturbing things about non-Jews and how they’re (Jews) the “chosen ones” and all that. I think it’s both. Jews tend to think pretty highly of themselves - above the rest of us so they are exempt from the usual moral standards.
Yeah that’s what I’m saying. A percentage of Jews are cool. No problems - live and let live. Then there’s a percentage that really despise the goyim and then there’s the ones who are the fanatics. It is unfair to tar them all with the same brush.
Israhell has been able to pretty much hide their 9/11 involvement for almost a quarter century. It's all about controlling the narrative. Name the patsy, hide the agendas for the false flag. October 7 is no different. Name the patsy, agenda not so hidden anymore.
The fighting skill of troops of any nation can be measured by whether they are cool under fire, or not. Watch the linked video to see how Israeli "soldiers" attempting to clear a house in Gaza dissolve into a clusterfuck when they encounter return fire. Or more accurately, it should be called a shitshow. (Yahoo makes the distinction: No less an authority than the Oxford English Dictionary describes a shitshow as a “situation or state of affairs characterized by chaos, confusion, or incompetence.” A clusterfuck may come to possess all those characteristics, but is more properly identified by the decisions that produced it than its outcome.)
How does the disorganized behavior of the "soldiers" contribute to your assessment of the psychological condition of the people of Israel?
Jon Elmer showed a video of a missile attack on one of their bases. The idiots running back and forth in total panic, until they bolted right into the explosion.
I don’t give a fuck about indoctrination, human beings know right from wrong!
Let’s not make excuses for their appalling behaviour and actions.
You should care about indoctrination. It's the central theme of Ms. Johnstone's writing. People are taught (and learn) what is right and wrong. And everyone is capable of appalling behavior.
Untrue. I have never exhibited what could be construed as “appalling behavior” except through words, perhaps.
And I have a number of friends whose parents came up from the South to work in the auto industry; they overcame their parents’ inherent racism.
People actually ARE capable of change; they frequently don’t wish to. The vampires inhabiting IsraHell are not capable, because vampires are gonna vampire.
Of course people are capable of change, just as they are capable of self-restraint against destructive impulses (most of the time, and with exceptions for some people with brain damage). I'm happy to hear that you have never exhibited appalling behavior; that does not mean you lack the capacity.
Racism is not inherent, so your friends did not overcome 'their parents' inherent racism'. Racism is learned and can be unlearned. Even if, as you say, people tend to get rigid in their attitudes as they age. They are most flexible when young and adopt their life philosophies in late adolescence. Military people understand this and prefer to recruit men in their late teens or early twenties.
When you describe Israelis as vampires, you are dehumanizing them in just the same way that they dehumanize Palestinians as vermin. That is not helpful.
I’m not “dehumanizing” the IsraHellis. Did you read what I said?
How do dehumanize a non -human? They’re fucking VAMPIRES. Literally.
Well, that's interesting news to me.
How do you tell the vampires from the humans?
Is there a blood test? Do they bleed a different color?
Behavior is one way to distinguish a vampire. They subsist on the blood of others, and reside in colonies (IsraHell in this case.)
If you have no belief in cryptids that ain’t my fucking fault; there are an infinite number of things that mere humans do not understand about this earth we live on.
Israelis have actually dehumanised themselves.
Some behavior is more appalling than others.
And speaking of indoctrination - do you mean, for example, zionist indoctrination? It is some of the most racist, hateful brainwashing ever known.
Whilst on the subject of indoctriantion I suppose you've read the Talmud and the Bible.
I've read the Bible, but the way it was taught to me mattered. I was taught of a Jesus as an anarchist shit-disturber, fighting against an entrenched class of elites; his followers wanted him to go against Rome, but the problem wasn't with Rome, but with its collaborators.
Now, others have been taught the same book and come away with a totally different idea (and I cannot figure out how...)
Yeah, but it comes down to how these storybooks are presented. They are not necronomicon-level possession devices. The parents and the village. That's the key here.
In what elementary school course are children taught what is wrong and what is good?
You nailed it!
Indoctrination is very powerful, and strongly resistant to change. If it wasn't they wouldn't work so hard at it, starting from birth.
I remember talking with a friend years ago, and asked him if he would accept mass slaughter and of course he said no. But when I mentioned all that in the bible, he said that that was different. It was fine if god said to do it. smh
Would an omnipotent god need to delegate the mass slaughter to fallible humans?
Omnipotent, omniscient cloud beings created by desperate humans, when the brilliance of Nature stares them in the face, How sad.
Zeus, Hera, Apollo, Ares, a bunch of delusional faeries.
Hilkiah (Chilqiyah - Saint Plunder) was a false "god". (Though apparently still pretty powerful.)
I think we need to give a fuck about indoctrination and we need to try to stop it from happening. Yes, human beings know right from wrong, but zionist kids are seriously brainwashed. There is also the doc, Israelism
https://www.readthemaple.com/youre-literally-brainwashed-jewish-school-students-speak-out/?ref=maple-digest-news-newsletter
Let’s not overlook the indoctrination of many Americans who support Zionism and Eretz Israel.
Also speak, if you can, with American military personnel who were ordered to slaughter civilians in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc. Many are suffering from PTSD from their experience. Others have committed suicide. The psychopaths who enjoyed what they did were rewarded with medals and/or promoted. They have/had the benefit of not having guilty consciences.
The US “all volunteer” armed forces acts as a filter to deter some people of conscience from enlisting.
Psychopaths gravitate towards occupations where they can do psychopathic activities. Normal people will end up committing suicide if put in those positions. Normal people should take a close look at what the military represents these days. It is NOT representing self defense. It is a totally aggressive destructive force for no good.
Most of them turn into mercenaries after returning from military. They definitely enjoy killing humans and they make it their life choice.
https://www.courageouslion.us/p/problem-psychopathic-control-freaks
Hi CK
I’ve related this story before.
My husband had a high school classmate who was under the command of William Calley at My Lai. When ordered to fire, he did so once, looked around and noticed some of the others failing to follow orders, and put his firearm down.
He and the others who refused to participate in a massacre were court-marshalled.
Regardless of the court martial they were the true heroes. Their courage and fortitude was truly admirable.
Very true, Peter. And eventually they were acquitted.
But just the fact that he was THERE pretty much ruined K’s life. From what I understand, it has shadowed him ever since.
Meet Hugh Thompson... One of My Heroes
https://www.courageouslion.us/p/meet-hugh-thompson-one-of-my-heros
They are. It is utterly shocking what zionist parents are raising these children to be. It is a form of child abuse and it is not limited to zionist children in israel.
I agree with you that it is a type of child abuse. Anywhere there are Zionists it is happening. I never fully understood how insidious and dangerous the Hebrew schools teaching Zionism were until I saw Israelism.
Excellent film. Everyone should be required to see it.
I have wonder just how that could be done, and what tactics it would take? Cure is sometimes claimed to be worse than the disease. In this case, I would fear, that getting rid of all religions, would likely be a good fit for that description, or perhaps, if not worse, then be just as bad.
I am not talking about getting rid of religion. I am talking about not indoctrinating children with a Zionist ideology. Zionism is not a religion. It is a fascist ideology. Like Nazism.
I apologize, I hadn't realized you wanted to rid us of only some forms of indoctrination. From my perspective, religion is indoctrination. The Old Testament, and other 'holy' books proclaim genocide and tribal warfare. In this current case, the one breeds the other. Political zionism long followed religious zionism. I don't know how you can separate the core values of one from the other.
I hear what you are saying. I don't like religion either. It just sounded in the first post you made as if you might be saying that Judaism is the problem. I do think that ideologies like Zionism and Nazism are a step above religions though in that they so openly promote supremacy and hatred of others. Religions are much quieter about those promotions which, I suppose could make them worse. But right now, in this world, it is Zionism that is causing so much division, hatred and pain for so many.
Zionism is an ideology built on a certain version of Judaism. There are such extreme political ideologies based on almost every major religion. Wahabism based on islam, hindutva based on Hinduism, trumpism (Nazism) based on bible, etc. for example.
Assholes use religions as tools of manufacturing consent for their assholery. It's simple as that. A lot of pro-palestinian people are also just that - assholes. They would do the same kind of despicable stuff to other people if given the opportunity. I know from my personal experience that they already do so already. They are our allies in this particular struggle and they are just that. Let's keep it real.
The "religion" of Jesus was simple. LOVE YOUR CREATOR WITH YOU WHOLE BEING and LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. If you neighbor is trying to murder you self defense is in order.
Well said Joy!
Zionism and the creation of "Israel".
https://rumble.com/v3py72s-zionism-and-the-creation-of-israel.html
And Islamist kids are not? You're funny
I can make any group of humans into sociopaths. Just give them rights without responsibilities.
It's a bit more challenging than that. You're talking about raising spoiled narcissists. Raising a child to be a sociopath requires more effort; some combination of parenting without love or affection combined with stringent parental discipline requiring submission to arbitrary rules together with expectations that the child can meet (a double-bind situation).
Some children reject that program directly and, after a struggle (as disobedient kids), develop a healthy ego. Others, like Hitler and Trump, are subjugated and subdued by the parental power and can only later react against it. At that point, the reaction manifests in the form of destructive rage and a desire for retribution that seems to be insatiable.
It doesn't take a village to create a sociopath, just a badly warped family. But I'm sure that a badly warped village could do the job just as well.
Correction, in the first paragraph: expectations that the child <cannot> meet. Cannot, rather than can.
What if these human beings don't see human beings next door, but slobbering "human animals" constantly plotting their death? Kids push boundaries, test the ethical waters. And without a sane, measured response from their guardians, their communities, their Nation... ?
buzz off, murderous zionist troll
You're an idiot. Learn to read.
No, your fakery doesn't fool me, and apparently it doesn't fool others, either.
Yeah, I'm throwing annual sub money at about ten of these writers to... what exactly?
You're a paranoid delusional, go back to your soap operas.
And, yep, I saw the support your idiotic post received. Whoever these other creepy people are, they're as worthless as you.
Do human beings REALLY "Know right from wrong"? I have my doubts with that statement.
Firstly, you are of course assuming that everyone shares your particular values. Secondly, that everyone would react the same to the same pressures.
Because what we have here is clashing 'Right and wrong' values.
Is it right to follow orders; to defend your nation and people?
Now, SOME people will always ask "WHAT orders?", and SOME people will always say "YES!", and SOME people will like to think they would ask that question but actually wouldn't in the situation. And indeed some people may think they would follow, but in the moment will surprise themselves by finding a objection.
Just about everyone will lie, or 'manipulate their environment' for their own ends - and for a large number, that also includes lying to cause harm as well as for their own benefit.
As every military psychologist despairingly says at some point: "It's when they are older, with time to think, and no group around to reinforce the group-think instilled by military 'discipline', that the conscience reasserts itself in most normal people - and then they self-destruct.".
'Disobeying orders' is also taught as a definite WRONG, from a very early age. And "Questioning orders through morality" has historically lead to short future lives as well, often ending in front of a line of jolly decent chaps with rifles pointing at you and someone offering a cigarette. [Smoking kills, btw.]
So yes, 'right and wrong'. But in normal lives, those are often very complex, and for soldiers, the very training is supposed to overwrite that.
After all, soldiers are trained to murder other people. It's literally their job description.
It's notable that it's usually murdered women and children who haunt the soldiers.
Deep and thoughtful response. Thank you Gnuneo!
Nick, Caitlin is not making excuses. Indoctrination can desensitise and condition human beings. But the human also has the capacity to rise above the conditioning.
https://wearechange.org/israeli-colonel-among-isis-forces-in-iraq
Sorry to say, but that’s just hubris on your part.
By underestimating the power of well-crafted propaganda you’re opening your flanks to get brainwashed yourself. Careful there, comrade.
People aren’t precipually evil, they have to be taught racism and hate.
And Isn’treal has made that into an industry and raison d’être…
You don’t understand jews mindset. They dont have a moral compass.
It’s all about what’s right for jews, not what is right or wrong.
Why show mercy for the anti-zionist Jews that pushed the holobunga?
Just, why?
It is their main weapon, and it is entirely made up.
Israelis are stoners. THC sears conscience with a hot iron. It also induces groupthink (recruits users into the locally prevalent egregore).
Nonsense.
Bye, Ziotroll!
Get lost, idiot. Cannabis use does not encourage violence, but just the opposite. Neither does cannabis use diminish individual thinking. Cannabis use has its drawbacks, but it is peaceable.
Beyond the pale. You seem to have joined up with the worst of the diabolical egregores. Stoners like you are mean (Why are you on this list? It makes no sense! Keep cheerleading those Zionist geniuses.), and many are violent. Reported.
I don't use cannabis, so please drop the 'stoner' label. In addition, I do not adhere to the idea of so-called 'egregores'; that is, that collective beliefs create an entity or 'thought-form' which goes on to influence human beliefs and behaviors.
In my view, you have a cartoonish (flattened) perspective on human behavior that has no correspondence to our material or trans-material reality.
But, if you have some evidence for your ideas, please provide them. I remain open to new ideas.
As kid in NYC, I witnessed a lot of depravity. Sick a-holes throwing bricks at Black kids; young toughs fist-fighting on the subway over seats that should've been given to the elderly; young sociopaths practicing their art by urinating through schoolyard fences on the homeless "bums" sleeping inside the schoolyard -- I mean some really perverse stuff. But nothing I saw in my youth in the sordidness of the Big Rotten Apple comes close to the mental illness of the IDF actions described in this post and elsewhere. Fuck Israel. Free Palestine
Yes! Fuck Israel! Free Palestine! https://therevolutioncontinues.substack.com/p/an-anthem-for-our-times
"It really is that simple. Israel really is that bad. And so is anyone who supports it." I can think of no word adequate enough to describe the bottomless evil of Israel, the rabid dog of the USA. But, every government in the world that puts up with Israeli ambassadors on their territory plays a part in the slaughter by starvation being inflicted on nearly 2 million Palestinians.
The current Israeli government is the one Einstein is referring to in this open letter to the New York Times in 1948:
"To the Editor or The New York Times : Amongst the most disturbing political phenomena of our time is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948
Einstein knew this was coming, he was a pretty smart guy. Much more information on the history of this genocidal regime here: https://tritorch.com/degradation/1948EinsteinArendtLetterToTheNewYorkTimesRegardingRisingFascistIsraeliGovernmentIsraelIDFMarch2025.mp4 [8mins]
Einstein was not a Zionist.
Correct. He was a socialist.
outstanding evidence, excellent video. I didn't know all that information, yet i have read a lot of books about this topic since Oct. 7th. Thank you vm
The IDF have the morality of a Hun horde. All their platitudes of decency are hollow when such barbarity is brought forth into the light.
Who sponsored the Huns?
Cain and Enmerkar.
Israel is now guilty of the worst of the Hitler Nazi war crimes; genocide, ethnic cleansing, murder, intentional starvation of women and children. They’ve committed a Holocaust; Never Forget what Israel has done to the Palestinians of Gaza. I am a Catholic US military veteran and I oppose this slaughter. One can not be a Christian and also support Israel; they are mutually exclusive now.
You are so right. Christian Zionist is an oxymoron. You can't be both and be right.
That's not true. The right-wing Christian evangelists support Zionism and always have. They actually believe all the shit about the return of Christ and the end times.
Christian ZIONIST is an oxymoron. That means they are opposing beliefs. Here is a Greg Reese video that explains why I stated this. Christian ZIONISTS are IGNORANT morons. ZIONISM is from SATAN. They don't even bother figuring it out. https://rumble.com/v3py72s-zionism-and-the-creation-of-israel.html After watching that tell me how someone can be a "Christian Zionist." maybe a ZIONIST, but not a true Christian.
Israel learned well from the Nazis, that the only thing that matters is getting on the winning side.
Of course, when they are the victims, they cry like little girls.
Heh, Feral. And kittens are scared of nothing; unlike puppies and children who run away, a kitten will puff itself up, hiss, extend its claws and confront its adversary.
Just an observation 😁
Oh, I remember being plenty scared.
Victim: Someone who's told they need to walk an extra twenty metres to get to class.
3% of Israelis are against the ethnic cleansing of Gaza ! no other words to add !!! Evil state, evil population.
Wrong they are all for it, if they were not they should pack and leave an occupied land
Thank you Caitlin Johnstone for speaking up about this horrific tragedy taking place. As an American, I am both appalled and disgusted at the genocide the Israeli's are conducting as my government allows it to happen. If you speak up and oppose the genocide or say anything critical about Israel or Nuttenyahoo, the antisemite label is tossed out, its happened to me. Israel is doing to the Palestinians, what the Germans did to them in WWII.
What Israel doesn't factor in is that all Empires come to an end. The USA, my government is in a fast decline and heading towards a collapse. That's why Trump has taken the country into protection mode (and NO, I did not vote for him, just saying). When the US collapses, Israel will not have Big Brother to protect or fund it. At that point in time, Israel will recreate the season finale of The Walking Dead as all its enemies will come looking for Israel.
I wish I could agree. However, what we are seeing now is simply the end of any pretense that the United States is anything other than an empire.
It is a rapidly decaying empire. It's economy is based on fictitious capital. It no longer manufactures goods for use, only for death. The greed and worship of wealth have turned the U.S. into a country filled with imbeciles, including most of Congress. China outproduces the U.S. and takes better care of its citizens.
None of which matters. Right doesn't prevail because it is right, only when it is strong.
The fact that "might is right" is the curse of humanity. Parasitic imbecilic human race is counting last days on this beautiful planet.
The problem is what those humans take with them.
"However, what we are seeing now is simply the end of any pretense that the United States is anything other than an empire."
That pretense was apparent if you had only looked 2-3 decades ago. Once the Soviet Empire ended in 1991, the US became what Ronald Reagan once called the Soviet Union, "The Evil Empire".
A six year old child could figure out with 5 apples and 15 hungry children that many will go hungry. It is basic math. The United States tried to convince everyone that 1+1 =12 with their monetary, banking and financial shenanigans.
The entire West is headed towards a sovereign debt default. The US will default when no one is willing to buy their "new debt, to payoff or service the old debt". That's when the US defaults. This is what happens when politicians continue to borrow with NO intention of ever paying it back and yearly US debt levels are growing exponentially.
Interest alone on the US National debt is around $1 trillion a year and that figure is growing. No wonder why DJT wants the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates.
And I will add that the US has a growing homeless problem, young people saddle with $10's of thousands of dollars in student loans with worthless diplomas. The average American doesn't have $500 to pay for emergency medical care or automobile repair. Housing costs have become unsustainable. Food prices are out of control. The latest according to Zerohedge is that Americans are now using "buy now, pay later" for food supplies.
If I were a doctor, I would say the patient known as the United States, has Stage 4 cancer.
The US cannot default, in that all of its debts are in US dollars.
>>"The US will default when no one is willing to buy their "new debt, to payoff or service the old debt"."
That's not how the debt system works for countries that have monopolistic control over their sovereign currency printing. I recommend learning about how the Fed and Treasury work (in the real world) and not theoretically (i.e. as claimed by politicians, etc.). Check out MMT (Modern Monetary Theory).
Briefly, the U.S. can NEVER DEFAULT on its debt (unless it makes a willing, conscious, political decision to). The U.S. can ALWAYS print more money to not only pay any and all interest payments, but ALSO to buy back all its debt. Furthermore, as the U.S. can print how much ever money it wants to - it does not need to sell debt for 'money spending purposes'. It sells debt to control inflation mainly (i.e. absorb excess money floating in the private and other spheres), and for political reasons (eg. debt diplomacy), as a tool in its foreign policy arsenal, and other reasons.
Check out -> The Deficit Myth: Modern Monetary Theory and the Birth of the People's Economy [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45731395-the-deficit-myth] for more information.
Caitlin you are as eloquent and as accurate as usual. 🎯
Israel could not exist without the U.S. Its nuclear weapons technology came from the U.S., its weapons come from the U.S., its economy is supported by the U.S. Any country, if there is such a country that fundamentally can not exist without being subsidized by American taxpayers that country should not exist. Then not only should it not exsist, but that country already does not exist. It’s not really a country but a vassal state of its benefactor.
Furthermore, please stop referring Israeli military as a defense force. (IDF) They are an occupation force. (IOF).
Hi August,
I refer to them as the IGF. You know what the G is for.
Slight correction -> Israel got it's nuclear technology from France.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/story-how-american-jews-and-france-built-israels-nuclear-weapons-179399
"Specifically, during the mid-1950s France’s control over Algeria—which it considered part of France and not just another colony—was increasingly contested by a domestic insurgency that was receiving substantial support from the Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser. Paris responded by eliciting Israel’s help in providing intelligence on the Algerian situation in return for French conventional weaponry. The opportunity to transform this into nuclear cooperation presented itself in 1956 when Paris asked Israel to provide France and Britain with a pretext to intervene militarily in what became the Suez Canal crisis."
Same for DOD.
Collective narcissism is ugly as Hell.
Yeah I think it’s Israel - the way they’ve been living since it’s inception but I also think it’s partly their whacky religion that says some pretty disturbing things about non-Jews and how they’re (Jews) the “chosen ones” and all that. I think it’s both. Jews tend to think pretty highly of themselves - above the rest of us so they are exempt from the usual moral standards.
So the Israeli government forced the injection on the Jewish people but the people of Gaza were spared.
Logically a ‘ genocide’ would be to inject a poison into the enemy not your own people.
The ‘ Palestine’ propaganda is as fake as the Covid Conjob.
Not all Jews. Far from it. None of my Jewish friends are or ever have been Zionists.
I'm only going on what I've read. I think the reason Jews are persecuted is at least partly the fault of a percentage of them who are fanatical.
A small percentage of Americans are fanatical- look at the evil that was unleashed during Covid, headed up by American fanatics..
But no one is blaming Americans for their bad people but somehow when it comes to the Jews, people go insane with the blame.
People’s problem with the Jews is spiritual.
People hate the Jews because they hate God.
Jesus was born a Jew and the government killed Him.
Yeah that’s what I’m saying. A percentage of Jews are cool. No problems - live and let live. Then there’s a percentage that really despise the goyim and then there’s the ones who are the fanatics. It is unfair to tar them all with the same brush.
What is Zion?
Find me a fascist who isn't a closet sexual sadist and I'll show you soneone who isn't a fascist.
Israhell has been able to pretty much hide their 9/11 involvement for almost a quarter century. It's all about controlling the narrative. Name the patsy, hide the agendas for the false flag. October 7 is no different. Name the patsy, agenda not so hidden anymore.
The fighting skill of troops of any nation can be measured by whether they are cool under fire, or not. Watch the linked video to see how Israeli "soldiers" attempting to clear a house in Gaza dissolve into a clusterfuck when they encounter return fire. Or more accurately, it should be called a shitshow. (Yahoo makes the distinction: No less an authority than the Oxford English Dictionary describes a shitshow as a “situation or state of affairs characterized by chaos, confusion, or incompetence.” A clusterfuck may come to possess all those characteristics, but is more properly identified by the decisions that produced it than its outcome.)
How does the disorganized behavior of the "soldiers" contribute to your assessment of the psychological condition of the people of Israel?
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/humiliating-video-unmasks-israeli-military-collapse--politic
Jon Elmer showed a video of a missile attack on one of their bases. The idiots running back and forth in total panic, until they bolted right into the explosion.
Gotta admit - fuckin funny.