"stop calling this a “war”. A war doesn’t involve conversations about whether or not a walled-in population should be allowed to have food, medicine and electricity. " was the holocaust a war then?
Because the whole pretext for this genocide is taking out Hamas, who attacked on 10/7. But I don't see anyone fighting back, just the slaughter of innocents living on what's left of their own land, as you well know.
There have been many mass slaughter events which would justify the title Holocaust . But you clearly mean the attempt by the Nazi to exterminate and displace the German Jewish population. That mass murder led to war but was not itself a war
no, the holocaust was not itself a war. Like the genocide happening in Gaza. Both are mass murder. and the mass murder in Gaza may very well lead to war as well.
I am not offended. It is a little odd to use the holocaust to make my point and I did think about it but I find it really difficult that descendants of people who survived that are now doing something very similar themselves to people who cannot escape and who do not have any ability to respond to or escape from what is happening to them. Very similar to Auschwitz or other places, I think.
I am not sure what to say here without getting a knock on the door and being banged up. BUT "but I find it really difficult that descendants of people who survived that ... (holocaust)" - so I need to be careful BUT STATE FACTS.
1. Look at the numbers of European Jews, before and after the war (many sites are being eliminated).
8. YES, you are correct in believing they are repeating WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD HAPPENED TO THEM.
9. Who do you thing inhabited the new state of Israel; if they were all gassed ?.
I admire your view and would not have batted an eyelid a few years ago, but I have become a sceptic of sorts and question everything now - because the World (and has been for at least a few generations) - a stage (the World is a stage) and the utter nonsense and BS we have been fed - in so many aspects of our lives is just "smoke and mirrors"; utter BS.
PS Oh ay, last mumbo jumbo for you ... 6 million = 2 x 3 = 33 ... SURPRISE ! - just more masonic BS ... and yes, I do believe my view; however stupid people think I am.
I can't even argue with friends that have turned full anti-semite anymore. I make a distinction between Zionists and Jews, but how do you differentiate when you don't know based on Israels lies and the fact that the majority of their population support the war. Israel has done everything possible to ensure that they will be targeted. I feel bad for the Jews that support a cease fire and real peace, but no one in the mainstream appears concerned of this glaring growing hatred that has been well earned.
"I make a distinction between Zionists and Jews, but how do you differentiate when you don't know based on Israels lies and the fact that the majority of their population support the war."
Majority of Americans support its wars, even if implicitly, since wars maintain America's "exceptionalism". So how do differentiate among them?
This demands more time than I can give right now. Good point. There are vast differences in the history of the US compared to Israel, no matter your perspective. And i mentioned that I do not share an anti-semitic point of view. What i am getting at is the zionists tying these things together has worked. And worked so well that it will likely portend the doom of Israel. I shed no tears for this. But when the pitchforks come out and people want reprisals, I wouldn't want to be Jewish, because most people don't understand the difference. Including most Jews, Israel or foreign. Btw i follow Greenwald, Due Dissidence and many other semitic brothers in case anyone is confused that I am being swayed into true racism. Biased that Israel has no right to exist yes, Racist no.
DP - good points. Here's my reply to the same question by R-Bot:
When those US wars were described as a Crusade against evil doer Muslims, then you can link criticism to White Christian Nationalism.
When Zionists claim that the Bible and God gave Palestine to the Jews, that Palestinians are Amalek, and that Jews are the chosen people and superior to other "races", then you can link criticism to White Jewish Settler Colonial Fascism.
While there are huge differences between Zionism and the twisted form of Judaism now dominant in Israel, and it is wrong to conflate them, I disagree that it is anti-semitic or strategically ill advised to even mention Jews and Judaism (as Caitlin has demanded here).
It is the uncritical rise of a toxic form of Judaism that is driving the intellectual, emotional, and political forces of Israeli Genocide. Something similar is happening here in the US as so called Christians pervert their religion. Chris Hedges called them heretics and he strongly criticized the Christian community for failure to stand up, call out, and marginalize these heretics.
This is an interesting point. There is no issue saying ‘radicalized’ for Islamists perverting the religion, yet many conflate it with being Muslim period - which is also intended, subtly or not subtly.
There’s a fair amount of discussion, albeit not true standing up against, of Christian evangelicals in the US with issues on pro choice, homophobia, white supremacy/ KKK nationalism tied to religion, etc. The subset is distinct from overall Christianity.
Can’t there be a distinction of the radicalized Judaism that is inexplicably meshed with the religious aspect of being the chosen people with a right to the land?
I guess that’s what’s attempted referencing Zionism as separate from being Jewish. Which I believe deeply. But the language has a limitation of political then race / religion. Maybe it applies nicely to Biden, clearly in the Zionist category. But for Jewish people that are extreme zionists, and view it as part of being Jewish, it is absolutely a radicalized justification of religion. We don’t address this clearly. Like Netanyahu being Jewish is somehow compartmentalized inside of him, while he wears his Zionist hat to drop bombs. It’s a radical form of religion just like the above two examples.
Throughout hisory, countries have been founded for reasons good and bad. Israel is no exception: what is criticable is what its people did with their freedom.
No. Israel is an exception. It is a bullshit Imperialist project the likes never before attempted and dressed up as reconciling for the german holocaust. Yes Canada and many countries share some similarities to this. But Israel, within the nation state system, is a dog and pony show. They should have got half of Germany or the Ukraine or nothing. Not the land of people that had zero to do with the holocaust
When those US wars were described as a Crusade against evil doer Muslims, then you can link criticism to White Christian Nationalism.
When Zionists claim that the Bible and God gave Palestine to the Jews, that Palestinians are Amalek, and that Jews are the chosen people and superior to other "races", then you can link criticism to White Jewish Settler Colonial Fascism.
While there are huge differences between Zionism and the twisted form of Judaism now dominant in Israel, and it is wrong to conflate them, I disagree that it is anti-semitic or strategically ill advised to even mention Jews and Judaism (as Caitlin has demanded here).
It is the uncritical rise of a toxic form of Judaism that is driving the intellectual, emotional, and political forces of Israeli Genocide. Something similar is happening here in the US as so called Christians pervert their religion. Chris Hedges called them heretics and he strongly criticized the Christian community for failure to stand up, call out, and marginalize these heretics.
What the hell are you babbling about? I was talking about the principle and not trying to defend anybody, Jews or no Jews.
Also, cut down on your vanity, it's toxic. No need to copy/paste your brainfarts all over the forum. Just drop it once and link to it afterwards. Learn how to do it.
I don't even know why this should become a discussion of hatred of Jews. Israel yes, and the fact their people have not demanded a stop to this carnage is very disturbing, but take each person as they come. It's easier that way for everyone.
Zionists are creating more antisemitism, because of their islamophobia. The spike of islamophobia and antisemitism on social media is disgusting. People LOVE to HATE! So insane. And this is reason 65,541 (random number that sounds good) why we are going extinct.
CJ deserves a Nobel prize (well presuming that meant something) for her relentless defense of the Palestinians (people w/o power). Every day, she pushes back. Very encouraging.
The Cynics have gotten a bad name - They were the original Beats, Hippies, and truth tellers - check out this wonderful book: Cynics, By William Desmond
"Once regarded as a minor Socratic school, Cynicism is now admired as one of the more creative and influential philosophical movements in antiquity. First arising in the city-states of late classical Greece, Cynicism thrived through the Hellenistic and Roman periods, until the triumph of Christianity and the very end of pagan antiquity. In every age down to the present, its ideals of radical simplicity and freedom have alternately inspired and disturbed onlookers.This book offers a survey of Cynicism, its varied representatives and ideas, and the many contexts in which it operated. William Desmond introduces important ancient Cynics and their times, from Diogenes 'the Dog' in the fourth century BC to Sallustius in the fifth century AD. He details the Cynics' rejection of various traditional customs and the rebellious life-style for which they are notorious. The central chapters locate major Cynic themes (nature and the natural life, Fortune, self-sufficiency, cosmopolitanism) within the rich matrix of ideas debated by the ancient schools. The final chapter reviews some moments in the diverse legacy of Cynicism, from Jesus to Nietzsche."
The headline today has again caused me and probably half the world some anxiety. Naturally the white / Christian governments from all over the world would not heed the message yet again as is also the case of the Roman Catholic President of the US also. Of to Mass every Sunday, all sins forgiven.....and as is the normal practice, forgotten. Not by the world however.
Why the hell are the normally decent countries in the world tolerating this inhumane Nazi-like treatment of poor unarmed people, on the verge of total extermination.
Every day I question the reason the feeble and toothless United Nations has not sent a collection of African, Middle Eastern and Asian troops into Gaza to act as a barrier to any further killing by the Zionists brigades, shooting to kill unarmed civilians at will and on command as has been the case since day one, now using 2,000 pound bombs per courtesy of the Jewish controlled US government.
As for Netanyahu's hand maiden, Biden, he should be immediately stood down and prosecuted in The Hague, verifying firstly that the panel of Judges are not sponsored / owned by the Rothschilds or their ilk or on the payroll of some Zionist philanthropist scoring a few points among 'God's chosen people' as his contribution to "Eretz Israel".
The world is a dirty place in 2024. Who can you trust? No Jew , no American, no White Anglo, no European country and certainly no government like Australia, UK, New Zealand or Canada.
You are a disgrace, Israel as is your trained puppet, the USA. You make Nazi Germany in the 1940's almost pale by comparison. Shades of Joseph Stalin and his Holodomor, starving the Ukranians in 1932-33.
Yes, Israel, as one of your leaders has said, oft-quoted," We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, ........and it shows every day.
Because the ‘normally decent countries’ are… drum roll… NOT decent. They never were. We were bamboozled. Turns out, the emperor is buck naked and quite fond of flashing himself.. we just thought he was a decent man because they gave us some koolaide to drink..
"Every day I question the reason the feeble and toothless United Nations has not sent a collection of African, Middle Eastern and Asian troops into Gaza to act as a barrier ..." - are you for real? Do you know how UN works?
It seems to be a different world of late. Once upon a time it was an authorative humane organisation which injected world majority opinion into so many disputes, no doubt saving millions of lives.
The Vetoes in the Security Council used these days in a political sense, have killed it as a caring international monitor. It is feeble now with little to recommend it and well past its use-by-date.
Back when it appeared to work the USSR existed as a formidable counterbalance to the US empire. Once it disappeared the UN became a non-entity as US could take full control of its workings.
Yes, but the UN ratified and rubber stamped Israel right after the former was created. Even though the AshkeNazis ethnically cleansed the Palestinian population in fulfilment of their diabolical wet dream (if I were to ascribe to the fairytale, I can guarantee you that it was Satan - not Yahweh - that promised the Chosenites the confiscated land). The UN was created as one of the useful tools for world domination by America. It is used as a cudgel for ‘human rights’ only when weak states get out of line. We’ve seen too many examples to support this. Remember the whole UN imposed economic sanctions against Iraq?? Just to protect the precious brat child Israel? Why can’t the UN impose an embargo/sanctions against IsraHell now? Because then it would not be a US tool.. when it clearly is!
"Shades of Joseph Stalin and his Holodomor, starving the Ukranians in 1932-33." - tell us more about it. Not based on Wikipedia and Ukrainian Nazi narrative, please.
"Biden and his cohorts aren’t mad at Netanyahu for committing a genocide, they’re mad at Netanyahu for not hiding a genocide." - that's why bidenites and shitlibs hate Trump. They're fine with what he does. it's just his calling it like it is ("we're in Syria for oil") that pisses them off.
No matter what you think of Trump he was so vilified people lost all manner or perspective even in terms of Biden, and a cousin even proclaimed he would be our savior. If you know his political background and his role during America's many Middle Eastern wars you would know he pushed, or supported everyone of them. In the 1980's he had to drop out from his presidential run because he stole other people's writings like the those of Robert Kennedy. He was for integration in our schools, but no busing, well no busing, no integration. At one time he wanted to build a big, big, big wall. Along came Trump and his wall, and it was a means of ripping into him and selling himself as some kind of liberal which he never was. He would rail at the man who killed his wife, drunk driver he said, no, she almost killed him since she moved into his line of traffic without looking. But He used her death to garner sympathy when he ran for office, and on, and on. There is no surprise he can back a genocide, since this man doesn't give a shit about anyone.
I am not going to respond to these comments since you have an abusive need, which has been on display with others, to put people down intellectually. "Anther show of your ignorance." No doubt you think this is an intimidating tactic that should proceed your commentary and gives you the edge. Well, it doesn't
Would you invite Biden for dinner because his political history is something you admire, or maybe Bush, or maybe Cheney? Maybe you like wars, since all pushed them, including Obama and for no reason other then to rearrange the ME to their liking. Maybe you didn't like the idea Trump wanted to get along with Russia, or no new wars? I see you pick up the mantra of others and repeat after them. You certainly repeat the same words of others, like Facist.
The "no new war" slogan is equally ill informed (coming from the Left by Parenti as well as MAGA):
Let’s review the record. Despite inveighing against “endless wars,” Trump massively escalated the country’s existing wars in multiple theaters, leading to skyrocketing casualties. In Afghanistan, he substantially upped the amount of airstrikes, leading to a 330 percent increase in civilian deaths. In Yemen, he escalated both U.S. counterterrorism activities and support for the devastating Saudi-led war against the Houthis. According to the United Kingdom’s Bureau of Investigative Journalism, there were 2,243 drone strikes in just the first two years of Trump’s presidency, compared with 1,878 in the entire eight years of the Obama administration.
Trump also came very close to tweeting the country into a nuclear war with North Korea in late 2017 and early 2018, a completely self-inflicted incident that seems to have been bizarrely memory-holed."
Well he wanted to get along with Russia, his bad. However 400 thousand Ukrainians dead. Oh, and Blinken says they are going to join the UN, and no doubt if they do maybe they'll lat them fight until the last Ukrainian is dead. I wonder do you think Trump would have supported a genocide in Israel? Maybe not, but Biden definitely is. Oh, and the "NYC mayor puts $12 billion cost on migrant crisis, blames ‘broken’ national immigration system." It's a problem all over in many states, so spare me your stupid sarcasm.
I said I didn't know what he would do in regard to Israel, no trust in anyone in political office in that regard, not with the Lobby. But he did want to get along with Russia and too, too, bad they discouraged that because taking Putin down was in their plans that started with the 2014 coup. When you say he would be Putin's puppet your not thinking just mouthing other people's words and you are not seeing this from your own perspective but only from what you have been indoctrinated to believe. Goodnight.
Well, the same can be said of you. Is your indoctrination more reasonable? I think all countries should try to get along, get rid of weapons, cooperate, share, help each other, let people be free, maybe not even have countries. It's a beautiful fantasy a la "Imagine," but we probably won't survive long enough to evolve to that point.
This comment reflects what I hate about the "Jimmy Dore School" - false, baseless, over the top attacks on "shitlibs" liberals (and I loathe most liberals, but for the right reasons).
Liberals don't support permanent war for oil (the example you offer).
Liberals don't hate Trump exclusively for his behavior, but because he is a violent Fascist, a corporate billionaire, a liar, a hypocrite, a pathological narcissist, and a climate denying ecocidal maniac, among many other things.
What?! You say the white people and the west don't care? Have you not seen the MASSIVE protests in western countries? The leaders of those countries are doing nothing but the citizens are trying to change that in the schools and on government grounds, the roads, on videos, independent news, everywhere they can and their numbers are huge but we all see what "leaders" do, which is nothing.
The worst part of this ongoing slaughter is to witness genocide going on right in front of our eyes, and that the entire world can do nothing to stop it,
Oh but John, they CAN. Problem is that the world is terrified of mad-dog IsraHell employing its Samson Option, which I have no doubt that it would do so.
Odd, isn’t it, that a little group of the bravest men on the planet—the Hout’hi—-are the only ones offering physical resistance?
Looking forward to Iran closing the Straits of Hormuz.
This is like living with a psychopath in an abusive violent relationship for years and the psychopath brings you flowers for beating you up the whole week and you believe that now things will change for the better.
First they programmed us to be insensate to war, now they are doing the same with genocide. They are trying to reduce us to robots in their desperate last hours of precipitous decline.
Netanyahu and his thugs get to do what they want as they destroy Israel and desecrate the holy land
When I gauge my little Twitter sphere I suspect most right leaning people feel like me. Have had that same feeling many times before where I thought people were coming around. Truth is there’s still so many that are bamboozled by this dog n pony show. Not trying to black pill anyone; fuck it, means we got more work to do. ❤️🔥
It was so interesting to read comments on monday, the1st of april, when israel bombed irani consulate in syria and a few hours later an aid convoy in gaza. Comment section in a major mainstream polish news outlet. What a change of mind happened to these /intelectually/ poor people! 180 degrees revolution from support to killing /iranian/people to the most profound outrage to killing a polish aid worker. There is no hope for this planet, we have too much technological power while having too narrow limits to our compassion, no wisdom.
while it might take a shape of 'white supremacy', I suspect in case of my fellow people it is simple, primitive tribal stupidity limiting their perspective and loyalty.
Yet, my jugdement might be too harsh: there is nearly no news from gaza in polish mainstream, so decent people support israel's 'fight against antisemitism'.
This sister speaks for me! She speaks 💯% truth... STRAIGHT FACTS. amen.
"stop calling this a “war”. A war doesn’t involve conversations about whether or not a walled-in population should be allowed to have food, medicine and electricity. " was the holocaust a war then?
Definitely not a war.
I don't recall ever anyone calling holocaust a war as it took place during WWII. Did you mean war within a war? Why would anyone call it that?
precisely. and why would anyone call the genocide that is happening now a war? How is murdering imprisoned people ever a war?
Because the whole pretext for this genocide is taking out Hamas, who attacked on 10/7. But I don't see anyone fighting back, just the slaughter of innocents living on what's left of their own land, as you well know.
There have been many mass slaughter events which would justify the title Holocaust . But you clearly mean the attempt by the Nazi to exterminate and displace the German Jewish population. That mass murder led to war but was not itself a war
no, the holocaust was not itself a war. Like the genocide happening in Gaza. Both are mass murder. and the mass murder in Gaza may very well lead to war as well.
Oh I see, but I think using the "holocaust" is more contradictory to your point, than adding to it.
Just my view, no offense intended.
I am not offended. It is a little odd to use the holocaust to make my point and I did think about it but I find it really difficult that descendants of people who survived that are now doing something very similar themselves to people who cannot escape and who do not have any ability to respond to or escape from what is happening to them. Very similar to Auschwitz or other places, I think.
I am not sure what to say here without getting a knock on the door and being banged up. BUT "but I find it really difficult that descendants of people who survived that ... (holocaust)" - so I need to be careful BUT STATE FACTS.
1. Look at the numbers of European Jews, before and after the war (many sites are being eliminated).
2. Auschwitz hey ???. I was always brought up to believe 4 plus million Jews were killed there ... 4 million + Jews. But the truth comes out slowly = https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/auschwitz-and-shoah/the-number-of-victims/
3. The deaths of 6 million Jews alone is physically impossible if you just do simple calcs.linked to 1 above.
4. No gas chambers ever found or proved...
5. Red Cross Report put deaths down to between 300-400 K IN ALL CAMPS; mainly due to illness and malnutrition.
6. A Semite = a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs. (but, but, but !!!)
7. The winners write the history = https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/japanese-american-relocation (smaller scale, but no worries)
8. YES, you are correct in believing they are repeating WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD HAPPENED TO THEM.
9. Who do you thing inhabited the new state of Israel; if they were all gassed ?.
I admire your view and would not have batted an eyelid a few years ago, but I have become a sceptic of sorts and question everything now - because the World (and has been for at least a few generations) - a stage (the World is a stage) and the utter nonsense and BS we have been fed - in so many aspects of our lives is just "smoke and mirrors"; utter BS.
PS Oh ay, last mumbo jumbo for you ... 6 million = 2 x 3 = 33 ... SURPRISE ! - just more masonic BS ... and yes, I do believe my view; however stupid people think I am.
Welcome outside of the ZIONIST MATRIX !!!`
LOL. Like alkies and druggies ... and your Yank or whatever AA ... "I have been clear and clean now for over 6 years"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=barWV7RWkq0
What an utterly ridiculous analogy 🤦🏻
I can't even argue with friends that have turned full anti-semite anymore. I make a distinction between Zionists and Jews, but how do you differentiate when you don't know based on Israels lies and the fact that the majority of their population support the war. Israel has done everything possible to ensure that they will be targeted. I feel bad for the Jews that support a cease fire and real peace, but no one in the mainstream appears concerned of this glaring growing hatred that has been well earned.
This is not a war. It's unmitigated undefended slaughter.
"I make a distinction between Zionists and Jews, but how do you differentiate when you don't know based on Israels lies and the fact that the majority of their population support the war."
Majority of Americans support its wars, even if implicitly, since wars maintain America's "exceptionalism". So how do differentiate among them?
This demands more time than I can give right now. Good point. There are vast differences in the history of the US compared to Israel, no matter your perspective. And i mentioned that I do not share an anti-semitic point of view. What i am getting at is the zionists tying these things together has worked. And worked so well that it will likely portend the doom of Israel. I shed no tears for this. But when the pitchforks come out and people want reprisals, I wouldn't want to be Jewish, because most people don't understand the difference. Including most Jews, Israel or foreign. Btw i follow Greenwald, Due Dissidence and many other semitic brothers in case anyone is confused that I am being swayed into true racism. Biased that Israel has no right to exist yes, Racist no.
DP - good points. Here's my reply to the same question by R-Bot:
When those US wars were described as a Crusade against evil doer Muslims, then you can link criticism to White Christian Nationalism.
When Zionists claim that the Bible and God gave Palestine to the Jews, that Palestinians are Amalek, and that Jews are the chosen people and superior to other "races", then you can link criticism to White Jewish Settler Colonial Fascism.
While there are huge differences between Zionism and the twisted form of Judaism now dominant in Israel, and it is wrong to conflate them, I disagree that it is anti-semitic or strategically ill advised to even mention Jews and Judaism (as Caitlin has demanded here).
It is the uncritical rise of a toxic form of Judaism that is driving the intellectual, emotional, and political forces of Israeli Genocide. Something similar is happening here in the US as so called Christians pervert their religion. Chris Hedges called them heretics and he strongly criticized the Christian community for failure to stand up, call out, and marginalize these heretics.
This is an interesting point. There is no issue saying ‘radicalized’ for Islamists perverting the religion, yet many conflate it with being Muslim period - which is also intended, subtly or not subtly.
There’s a fair amount of discussion, albeit not true standing up against, of Christian evangelicals in the US with issues on pro choice, homophobia, white supremacy/ KKK nationalism tied to religion, etc. The subset is distinct from overall Christianity.
Can’t there be a distinction of the radicalized Judaism that is inexplicably meshed with the religious aspect of being the chosen people with a right to the land?
I guess that’s what’s attempted referencing Zionism as separate from being Jewish. Which I believe deeply. But the language has a limitation of political then race / religion. Maybe it applies nicely to Biden, clearly in the Zionist category. But for Jewish people that are extreme zionists, and view it as part of being Jewish, it is absolutely a radicalized justification of religion. We don’t address this clearly. Like Netanyahu being Jewish is somehow compartmentalized inside of him, while he wears his Zionist hat to drop bombs. It’s a radical form of religion just like the above two examples.
See what you think of this = https://christianitybeliefs.org/islam-in-bible-prophecy/the-muslims-vs-the-jews-in-israel-ww-iii/
Throughout hisory, countries have been founded for reasons good and bad. Israel is no exception: what is criticable is what its people did with their freedom.
No. Israel is an exception. It is a bullshit Imperialist project the likes never before attempted and dressed up as reconciling for the german holocaust. Yes Canada and many countries share some similarities to this. But Israel, within the nation state system, is a dog and pony show. They should have got half of Germany or the Ukraine or nothing. Not the land of people that had zero to do with the holocaust
When those US wars were described as a Crusade against evil doer Muslims, then you can link criticism to White Christian Nationalism.
When Zionists claim that the Bible and God gave Palestine to the Jews, that Palestinians are Amalek, and that Jews are the chosen people and superior to other "races", then you can link criticism to White Jewish Settler Colonial Fascism.
While there are huge differences between Zionism and the twisted form of Judaism now dominant in Israel, and it is wrong to conflate them, I disagree that it is anti-semitic or strategically ill advised to even mention Jews and Judaism (as Caitlin has demanded here).
It is the uncritical rise of a toxic form of Judaism that is driving the intellectual, emotional, and political forces of Israeli Genocide. Something similar is happening here in the US as so called Christians pervert their religion. Chris Hedges called them heretics and he strongly criticized the Christian community for failure to stand up, call out, and marginalize these heretics.
What the hell are you babbling about? I was talking about the principle and not trying to defend anybody, Jews or no Jews.
Also, cut down on your vanity, it's toxic. No need to copy/paste your brainfarts all over the forum. Just drop it once and link to it afterwards. Learn how to do it.
So do I and anyone who steps foot in that shit hole is a Zionist as far as I'm concerned.
It is the Zionist plan to turn hatred of them toward Jews also. It nets billions of dollars and all the bombs they need to keep killing Palestinians.
I don't even know why this should become a discussion of hatred of Jews. Israel yes, and the fact their people have not demanded a stop to this carnage is very disturbing, but take each person as they come. It's easier that way for everyone.
that's one reason why the world is in such a mess now - "its easier"
What is your point? You're not making yourself clear. I am.
Zionists are creating more antisemitism, because of their islamophobia. The spike of islamophobia and antisemitism on social media is disgusting. People LOVE to HATE! So insane. And this is reason 65,541 (random number that sounds good) why we are going extinct.
CJ deserves a Nobel prize (well presuming that meant something) for her relentless defense of the Palestinians (people w/o power). Every day, she pushes back. Very encouraging.
BMeowDawg,
Agree with your statement, except for the final two word.. Somehow... "very encouraging" just doesn't fit into this narrative...
You are so cynical and so truthful and I love your humanity. A real inspiration to those that follow you.
The Cynics have gotten a bad name - They were the original Beats, Hippies, and truth tellers - check out this wonderful book: Cynics, By William Desmond
https://www.routledge.com/Cynics/Desmond/p/book/9781844651290
"Once regarded as a minor Socratic school, Cynicism is now admired as one of the more creative and influential philosophical movements in antiquity. First arising in the city-states of late classical Greece, Cynicism thrived through the Hellenistic and Roman periods, until the triumph of Christianity and the very end of pagan antiquity. In every age down to the present, its ideals of radical simplicity and freedom have alternately inspired and disturbed onlookers.This book offers a survey of Cynicism, its varied representatives and ideas, and the many contexts in which it operated. William Desmond introduces important ancient Cynics and their times, from Diogenes 'the Dog' in the fourth century BC to Sallustius in the fifth century AD. He details the Cynics' rejection of various traditional customs and the rebellious life-style for which they are notorious. The central chapters locate major Cynic themes (nature and the natural life, Fortune, self-sufficiency, cosmopolitanism) within the rich matrix of ideas debated by the ancient schools. The final chapter reviews some moments in the diverse legacy of Cynicism, from Jesus to Nietzsche."
The headline today has again caused me and probably half the world some anxiety. Naturally the white / Christian governments from all over the world would not heed the message yet again as is also the case of the Roman Catholic President of the US also. Of to Mass every Sunday, all sins forgiven.....and as is the normal practice, forgotten. Not by the world however.
Why the hell are the normally decent countries in the world tolerating this inhumane Nazi-like treatment of poor unarmed people, on the verge of total extermination.
Every day I question the reason the feeble and toothless United Nations has not sent a collection of African, Middle Eastern and Asian troops into Gaza to act as a barrier to any further killing by the Zionists brigades, shooting to kill unarmed civilians at will and on command as has been the case since day one, now using 2,000 pound bombs per courtesy of the Jewish controlled US government.
As for Netanyahu's hand maiden, Biden, he should be immediately stood down and prosecuted in The Hague, verifying firstly that the panel of Judges are not sponsored / owned by the Rothschilds or their ilk or on the payroll of some Zionist philanthropist scoring a few points among 'God's chosen people' as his contribution to "Eretz Israel".
The world is a dirty place in 2024. Who can you trust? No Jew , no American, no White Anglo, no European country and certainly no government like Australia, UK, New Zealand or Canada.
You are a disgrace, Israel as is your trained puppet, the USA. You make Nazi Germany in the 1940's almost pale by comparison. Shades of Joseph Stalin and his Holodomor, starving the Ukranians in 1932-33.
Yes, Israel, as one of your leaders has said, oft-quoted," We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, ........and it shows every day.
Because the ‘normally decent countries’ are… drum roll… NOT decent. They never were. We were bamboozled. Turns out, the emperor is buck naked and quite fond of flashing himself.. we just thought he was a decent man because they gave us some koolaide to drink..
"Every day I question the reason the feeble and toothless United Nations has not sent a collection of African, Middle Eastern and Asian troops into Gaza to act as a barrier ..." - are you for real? Do you know how UN works?
It seems to be a different world of late. Once upon a time it was an authorative humane organisation which injected world majority opinion into so many disputes, no doubt saving millions of lives.
The Vetoes in the Security Council used these days in a political sense, have killed it as a caring international monitor. It is feeble now with little to recommend it and well past its use-by-date.
Back when it appeared to work the USSR existed as a formidable counterbalance to the US empire. Once it disappeared the UN became a non-entity as US could take full control of its workings.
Yes, but the UN ratified and rubber stamped Israel right after the former was created. Even though the AshkeNazis ethnically cleansed the Palestinian population in fulfilment of their diabolical wet dream (if I were to ascribe to the fairytale, I can guarantee you that it was Satan - not Yahweh - that promised the Chosenites the confiscated land). The UN was created as one of the useful tools for world domination by America. It is used as a cudgel for ‘human rights’ only when weak states get out of line. We’ve seen too many examples to support this. Remember the whole UN imposed economic sanctions against Iraq?? Just to protect the precious brat child Israel? Why can’t the UN impose an embargo/sanctions against IsraHell now? Because then it would not be a US tool.. when it clearly is!
"Shades of Joseph Stalin and his Holodomor, starving the Ukranians in 1932-33." - tell us more about it. Not based on Wikipedia and Ukrainian Nazi narrative, please.
I do not know what happened, Russian_bot, but my response to your request is a few comments up.
Regards
"Biden and his cohorts aren’t mad at Netanyahu for committing a genocide, they’re mad at Netanyahu for not hiding a genocide." - that's why bidenites and shitlibs hate Trump. They're fine with what he does. it's just his calling it like it is ("we're in Syria for oil") that pisses them off.
No matter what you think of Trump he was so vilified people lost all manner or perspective even in terms of Biden, and a cousin even proclaimed he would be our savior. If you know his political background and his role during America's many Middle Eastern wars you would know he pushed, or supported everyone of them. In the 1980's he had to drop out from his presidential run because he stole other people's writings like the those of Robert Kennedy. He was for integration in our schools, but no busing, well no busing, no integration. At one time he wanted to build a big, big, big wall. Along came Trump and his wall, and it was a means of ripping into him and selling himself as some kind of liberal which he never was. He would rail at the man who killed his wife, drunk driver he said, no, she almost killed him since she moved into his line of traffic without looking. But He used her death to garner sympathy when he ran for office, and on, and on. There is no surprise he can back a genocide, since this man doesn't give a shit about anyone.
As a man being, trump is truly a piece of dog shit on my shoes.
As a politician, he's a dangerous Fascist. He deserves to be far more vilified than he is today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCOv7C9g7xo Guess you would have wanted this war hawk to win. So in your book what the hell is she?
Another show of your ignorance: criticism of Trump IS NOT SUPPORT OF DEMS!
I am not going to respond to these comments since you have an abusive need, which has been on display with others, to put people down intellectually. "Anther show of your ignorance." No doubt you think this is an intimidating tactic that should proceed your commentary and gives you the edge. Well, it doesn't
Would you invite Biden for dinner because his political history is something you admire, or maybe Bush, or maybe Cheney? Maybe you like wars, since all pushed them, including Obama and for no reason other then to rearrange the ME to their liking. Maybe you didn't like the idea Trump wanted to get along with Russia, or no new wars? I see you pick up the mantra of others and repeat after them. You certainly repeat the same words of others, like Facist.
Trump was tougher on Russia and friendlier (pro-war) to Ukraine than Obama. Get some facts before you post:
"Reality vs. Rhetoric: Assessing the Trump Administration's Russia Policy
https://www.congress.gov/event/115th-congress/joint-event/LC58584/text?s=1&r=68
"Trump has repeatedly expressed a desire to improve U.S.-Russia relations.
Nevertheless, policies thus far during the Trump administration have
been less than friendly to Putin's regime, including quietly approving
the first sale of lethal arms to Ukraine, which is a departure from the
Obama administration's de facto lethal arms embargo. And as we know,
the recent escalation of sanctions has further shaken the Kremlin."
https://www.congress.gov/event/115th-congress/joint-event/LC58584/text?s=1&r=68
elite.
The "no new war" slogan is equally ill informed (coming from the Left by Parenti as well as MAGA):
Let’s review the record. Despite inveighing against “endless wars,” Trump massively escalated the country’s existing wars in multiple theaters, leading to skyrocketing casualties. In Afghanistan, he substantially upped the amount of airstrikes, leading to a 330 percent increase in civilian deaths. In Yemen, he escalated both U.S. counterterrorism activities and support for the devastating Saudi-led war against the Houthis. According to the United Kingdom’s Bureau of Investigative Journalism, there were 2,243 drone strikes in just the first two years of Trump’s presidency, compared with 1,878 in the entire eight years of the Obama administration.
Trump also came very close to tweeting the country into a nuclear war with North Korea in late 2017 and early 2018, a completely self-inflicted incident that seems to have been bizarrely memory-holed."
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/18/donald-trump-presidency-anti-imperialist-militarism-war/
So is Trump's withdrawal from Iran nuclear non-proliferation deal.
Trump was as bad or worse on Israel than Biden.
You embarrass yourself further by calling me pro-war and a fascist. Here's my take on Biden and the corporate Democrats you asshole:
https://bwolfe.substack.com/publish/posts/detail/138284850?referrer=%2Fpublish%2Fposts%3Fsearch%3Darc%2520of%2520biden
So many pro-Trump posers here.
I really loathe stupid people who don't read and lie.
Well he wanted to get along with Russia, his bad. However 400 thousand Ukrainians dead. Oh, and Blinken says they are going to join the UN, and no doubt if they do maybe they'll lat them fight until the last Ukrainian is dead. I wonder do you think Trump would have supported a genocide in Israel? Maybe not, but Biden definitely is. Oh, and the "NYC mayor puts $12 billion cost on migrant crisis, blames ‘broken’ national immigration system." It's a problem all over in many states, so spare me your stupid sarcasm.
Oh great, another russiagate conspiracy theorist.
Not me.
I said I didn't know what he would do in regard to Israel, no trust in anyone in political office in that regard, not with the Lobby. But he did want to get along with Russia and too, too, bad they discouraged that because taking Putin down was in their plans that started with the 2014 coup. When you say he would be Putin's puppet your not thinking just mouthing other people's words and you are not seeing this from your own perspective but only from what you have been indoctrinated to believe. Goodnight.
Well, the same can be said of you. Is your indoctrination more reasonable? I think all countries should try to get along, get rid of weapons, cooperate, share, help each other, let people be free, maybe not even have countries. It's a beautiful fantasy a la "Imagine," but we probably won't survive long enough to evolve to that point.
This comment reflects what I hate about the "Jimmy Dore School" - false, baseless, over the top attacks on "shitlibs" liberals (and I loathe most liberals, but for the right reasons).
Liberals don't support permanent war for oil (the example you offer).
Liberals don't hate Trump exclusively for his behavior, but because he is a violent Fascist, a corporate billionaire, a liar, a hypocrite, a pathological narcissist, and a climate denying ecocidal maniac, among many other things.
"false, baseless, over the top attacks on "shitlibs" liberals" - you don't have to prove over and over that you're a moron, wolfie.
What?! You say the white people and the west don't care? Have you not seen the MASSIVE protests in western countries? The leaders of those countries are doing nothing but the citizens are trying to change that in the schools and on government grounds, the roads, on videos, independent news, everywhere they can and their numbers are huge but we all see what "leaders" do, which is nothing.
Carolyn,
"Have you not seen the MASSIVE protests in western countries? The leaders of those countries are doing nothing. " clearly showing what MONEY can buy.
I know. The leaders are seeing it and they do and say nothing.
The worst part of this ongoing slaughter is to witness genocide going on right in front of our eyes, and that the entire world can do nothing to stop it,
Although “Ozymandias’ may be the poem for all of humanity, surely a year’s “Second Coming” seems the poem for this current time and place.
Second Coming by William Butler Yeats
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Oh but John, they CAN. Problem is that the world is terrified of mad-dog IsraHell employing its Samson Option, which I have no doubt that it would do so.
Odd, isn’t it, that a little group of the bravest men on the planet—the Hout’hi—-are the only ones offering physical resistance?
Looking forward to Iran closing the Straits of Hormuz.
This is like living with a psychopath in an abusive violent relationship for years and the psychopath brings you flowers for beating you up the whole week and you believe that now things will change for the better.
Bassem Youssef Said something similar in his interview with the detestable Piers Morgan
Piers “but do you condemn Hamas” Morgan? 😂
First they programmed us to be insensate to war, now they are doing the same with genocide. They are trying to reduce us to robots in their desperate last hours of precipitous decline.
Netanyahu and his thugs get to do what they want as they destroy Israel and desecrate the holy land
When I gauge my little Twitter sphere I suspect most right leaning people feel like me. Have had that same feeling many times before where I thought people were coming around. Truth is there’s still so many that are bamboozled by this dog n pony show. Not trying to black pill anyone; fuck it, means we got more work to do. ❤️🔥
It was so interesting to read comments on monday, the1st of april, when israel bombed irani consulate in syria and a few hours later an aid convoy in gaza. Comment section in a major mainstream polish news outlet. What a change of mind happened to these /intelectually/ poor people! 180 degrees revolution from support to killing /iranian/people to the most profound outrage to killing a polish aid worker. There is no hope for this planet, we have too much technological power while having too narrow limits to our compassion, no wisdom.
And then we try to convince ourselves this is not all white supremacy..
while it might take a shape of 'white supremacy', I suspect in case of my fellow people it is simple, primitive tribal stupidity limiting their perspective and loyalty.
Yet, my jugdement might be too harsh: there is nearly no news from gaza in polish mainstream, so decent people support israel's 'fight against antisemitism'.
It’s woke genocide
Israel hasn't found the bottom yet:
Israeli drones drop tear gas on worshipers inside Al-Aqsa Mosque
https://twitter.com/KhurramAJK/status/1776588008499630139
It never will find the bottom.. because hell is a bottomless pit and Israhell is Satan..
Sadly, there is no low for pure evil.
CARTOON ... "CYNICAL CRUELTY: While Air Dropping Small Packs Of Food, Biden Is Quietly Shipping Weapons To Israel Every 36 Hours"
https://mark192.substack.com/p/cynical-cruelty-while-air-dropping