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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

The "rave" itself was a strange phenomenon, only a few miles from Gaza- a boisterous party thrown by Israel while Gaza and the West Bank Palestinians were being abused, to put the best frame on it. Was it deliberate provocation? No, can't be: that would portray Israel and IDF as cold- blooded, calculating murderers, even of their own citizens. Can't be.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Doris: The US government/military does it to Americans all the time. e.g. The first atom bomb test in New Mexico killed thousands of locals with radiation in later cancers and miscarriages. They weren't warned of the test.

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Cirze's avatar

The way of real terrorists.

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denny's avatar

False Flag 101...

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Literally Mussolini's avatar

I know I'm hardly alone--or saying it for the first time--that a few years ago I would have said, "Too crazy, just too crazy." But now ...

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Kevin Hammond CMT's avatar

Absolutely!

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jamenta's avatar

The images were really horrible though. I think haunting enough where I'll probably remember them for the rest of my life. People bound and led off. Corpses laying in the streets. All these young people just trying to enjoy life - probably had no idea that they were hours away from no longer being alive - their last days on earth.

At the same time, it is surreal they were partying on the borders of a city surrounded by Israeli military and a giant border fence. And the Palestinians surrounded by the fence/wall treated like a concentration camp population. Perhaps it is just a normalcy bias for the Israelis living there - much as here in the US, we have a normalcy bias of spending a trillion dollars a year on perpetual war.

What the HAMAS did was a horrific atrocity and an affront to their cause. You can't just slaughter unarmed civilian people and then announce you are for freedom and value human life. But then that also goes for the Israelis. So the horrible cycle of violence just keeps going - and the most horrible part about it - is we have a corrupt, senile US POTUS supporting the continuing murder over there. So Americans are indirectly responsible. Maybe the Russians/Chinese will figure something out.

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Niclas Hallander's avatar

Yes, almost as horrible as the constant videos and pictures of the Palestinians that experience this on a DAILY basis... Often children.

Desperate situations lead to desperate acts.

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jamenta's avatar

Violence begets violence. As long as the means are violent, the ends will become violent as well.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

The assault on Israel, its severity and casualty figures, are not that well-established yet. Hamas rockets are primitive and are often criticized by Israel for that very reason; and Israel has law-mandated air-raid shelters everywhere - in private homes and in pubic buildings. They were, in addition, warned of a strike by Egypt, but Netanyahu simply sets all that aside by saying he "didn't believe it": but why not? And, is Israel the kind of country that would take any chance on such a matter? The attack on Gaza, the most brutal violence ever recorded, was an attack on an area already in a state of siege by Israel: no food, no water, no fuel. It is also one of the most concentrated areas in the world, and there is no escape. How can that be compared with harm done Israel? Hospitals, rendered almost useless by the IDF and lack of basic necessities, were bombed, one just this morning.These are war crimes, and against International law and human law. Israel has always believed everything will ultimately be forgiven, and virtually forgotten. But it is a human duty never to forget or forgive this horrible abomination. And we can only hope the collective Middle East will not throw caution to the winds and join in. Our cavalier attitude is not helpful in that hope.

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jamenta's avatar

Maybe that is the only hope - the atrocities won't be forgotten. But the urge to fight back - and I'm thousands of miles away from the carnage, I find very real. I imagine many Arabs far closer to the ongoing massacre, feel even more so, to do something about the "killing fields" - other then just sit back and watch and judge. It's an interesting moral paradox of our time. Do nothing and watch an entire people get slaughtered, or fight back against the genocidal bullies on the playground, and risk destroying the entire playground, along with the fucked up bullies themselves?

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

Ignoring bullies has never been a good policy: it just whets their appetite for more blood. Israel has just hit a hospital in Gaza, killing at least 500. Are we going to ignore that as well? Was about the discord over the indue brewing now, between the West and Global South? They take a different view on Israeli "justification".

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Literally Mussolini's avatar

As a person who has been physically bullied (and, shamefully, bullied others himself), the "Just punch the bully in the nose and he'll back off" concept is unsound.

Beyond my personal experience, there is ample observational evidence contradicting the concept, from the individual through the societal level.

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denny's avatar

Well said.

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jamenta's avatar

Yeah I've been watching the news as well. Targeting hospitals even ... :(

Maybe some things must be fought and are simply unacceptable. Yet the cost.

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denny's avatar

To be fair, 1 attack that destroyed a hospital recently, might not have been them although they destroyed many hospitals and schools in the past, this one could have actually been an accident.

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Kevin Hammond CMT's avatar

Oh Bibi believed alright! He and his people planned it! Rat fink bastards!

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Jo Waller's avatar

For me that is what is so suspicious- that this was filmed and we were allowed to see it; it was meant to stay in our minds rather than the same things that have been happening to Palestinians for decades before.

We've been trained to connect the words Moslem-terrorist-Islamic-extremist and Israel and Jews with guilt-Christianity-suffering-homeland-righteousness. It's all BS.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Thankfully I don't have a teevee and haven't seen those images (and I would never search Internet for violence porn).

In fact, I rely mainly on media critics for my "news" (plus some BBC and NPR overnight radio).

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jamenta's avatar

I have a morbid curiosity about these type of things and find myself drawn to looking - like a rubbernecker at a car accident. I don't know. It's a bit of a human paradox, since the thing watched is clearly horror filled.

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Literally Mussolini's avatar

So you don't also look because you want to know, which can entail seeing the evidence for yourself?

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Landru's avatar

You mean like what was and is done in Gaza everyday for many decades?

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One Existence's avatar

THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN cannot help but use LIES, HYPOCRISY, HUBRIS AND DECEPTION to lure other HUMAN MINDS to carry out whatever will justify their acts in order to get what they BELIEVE they need most.

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denny's avatar

Oh...i thought you were writing about the USA. it looked the same as what they've done for decades. yet they're the supposed savior of the world...

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One Existence's avatar

Pointing fingers at physical entities is surely the first step/sign of being on the broad road towards destruction as it is the very sign of looking for physical culprits based on the main tenet of THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN that GOD ALMIGHTY'S CREATION has to be perfected out of one's lack of FAITH!

EVERYTHING that can be observed by THE HUMAN MIND has first been imagined through SPIRIT the only difference being through THE HOLY SPIRIT EMANATING FROM GOD ALMIGHTY or the spirit of THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN looking in its BLINDNESS - and therefore to no avail - to "replace" GOD ALMIGHTY.

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denny's avatar

Spot on!

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Cirze's avatar

Can definitely be.

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B Gallagher's avatar

Caitlin, Thank you for being you and sharing

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

"Bad Guys did them because the Bad Guys are Bad."

I have a sneaking suspicion that this sentence is tattooed on Biden's forearm where he can refer to it easily during a press conference.

But as the old saying goes, "Don't interrupt your enemy when they're making mistakes." The propagandists are making the IDF look worse by the hour and more and more people have taken to the streets in support of the Palestinian people in the last week than in the whole of the last decade. That says something... The narrative the warmongers are trying to spin isn't working. The truth is getting out.

And more people are believing the situation is more complex than "Bad Guys did them because the Bad Guys are Bad."

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

Part of the truth, an important part, is that governments in the West do not represent their "citizens", and that word is not quite appropriate. Maybe it's time to turn the wrath against your own government that is tacitly perpetrating war crimes and gross inhumanity agaInst helpless, besieged and occupied areas like Gaza. I have never seen anything like what is going in that unfortunate place - AND HALF THE POPULATION, AROUND I MILLION SOULS, ARE MERE CHILDREN!!! I don't approve of, wish to be represented by, identified with, any government that comes right out of the pages of medieval journals in which no punishment, control method or policy, is too base, inhuman or disgustingly cruel - if it is perceived to be in the interests of the state. Yet while many global south countries strenuously object and allow their citizens to do so, Western countries attempt to control and threaten to punish those who publicly oppose Israel's ongoing murderous persecution of Palestinians.

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One Existence's avatar

Nobody "forced" - other than deception and false promises - the "citizens" into "choosing" those that "don't represent" them.

In their hearts all citizens truly want the havoc THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN is creating as it represents the war those citizens fight against GOD ALMIGHTY in their hearts. And GOD ALMIGHTY always gives what anyone asks HIM for. HE can see through all the pretentious LIES being taught by THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN since EVE, THE SERPENT and ADAM in THE GARDEN OF EDEN and gives them what they TRULY want - war!

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Annelie de Wet's avatar

Are you referring to Yehova, Lord of the Armies, as being God almighty in citizens hearts?

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One Existence's avatar

Not sure what your question refers to so I am going to answer it the way I feel my comment might have led to confusion.

It refers to the BIBLICAL QUESTION of worship. And in order to be able to FOLLOW the argument I am making a lot of cross references are "needed". Nevertheless anyone looking for answers will find them according to his/her desire and bravery WANTING TO KNOW. No matter what THEORY or CLAIMS my words might express. GOD ALMIGHTY knows every single heart - the same way HE has counted every hair on every head no matter how unimaginable this might sound to the MODERN HUMAN MIND - and this is ALL THAT COUNTS no matter what the words expressed might mean to another HUMAN MIND. And in this way many might claim that they follow JESUS CHRIST and HIS COMMANDMENTS OF PEACE but what "they" ( THE HUMAN MINDS) actually do is whitewash their own hatred TOWARDS GOD ALMIGHTY and HIS RULES/COVENANT with empty words - based on ARROGANCE/HYPOCRISY/HUBRIS by THE HUMAN MIND - they have been indoctrinated with by THE SYNAGOGUE OF LIES - comprised of flesh and blood (wo/man) possessed by THE SPIRIT OF DECEPTION as described about THE SERPENT, EVE and ADAM in THE GARDEN OF EDEN pretending to know what good and evil is - and eventually electing those wo/man they do the actual "butchering" in the flesh while they always keep a backdoor open not having to admit their self-deception as they always pretend to be able to distance themselves by claiming "I never voted for this". But as long as one accepts THE SYSTEM erected by THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN one has not excuse whatsoever. One accept the servitude to THE LIE!

The Lord of The Rings is a perfect analogy where one of the kings is being poisoned to the point of not being able to recognise RIGHT from WRONG - DISTINCT FROM GOOD AND EVIL as anyone would recognise based on the comparison of self-defence/murder - and even physically being recognisable as a dying entity only to be rejuvenated by ACCEPTING THE TRUTH and refusing the poison offered by the sycophant placed there by "MORDOR" to suck all LIFE out of the king.

It goes right to the core of EVERY IMAGE OF GOD ALMIGHTY. And it is beyond comprehension that any understanding of it is even possible and even more audacious trying to put into words, i.e. being imagined by THE HUMAN MIND.

There is THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE and then there is THE LIE - since THE GARDEN OF EDEN, which is everything else (use your imagination what that might be)! CHEATING IMPOSSIBLE no matter what "dope" THE WORLD sells to THE MASSES as a "pain killer" - which it has been doing since .... INCAPABLE OF ADMITTING ITS ORIGINAL SIN!

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Timmy Taes's avatar

TRC: All this support for the Palestinian people. What does it amount to? There are Palestinian refugees all over the Middle East and the world.

Do you want to sponsor a Palestinian family to move to your neighborhood?

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Mango M3 Huffy: The government steals my money (taxes) and sends it to Palestine. I'm sure that Palestinian refugees will be moving to many neighborhoods in the USA soon whether Americans like it or not.

Maybe some will go to Oz, too.

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Kojo's avatar

Much more of your money goes to subsiding Israel.

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denny's avatar

Nailed it!

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Mango M3 Huffy: And you are changing the subject which was aid for Palestinians.

And what is this "You" crap? I have no more control over what DC does than you do about Canberra. Quit using "We" and "You" when referring to government assholes.

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Lauren bishop's avatar

I have been expanding my horizons as far as world history, culture, beliefs, religions, politics, rothschild zionism, the illuminati, etc...what's crazy is that the rest of the world considers America hypocritical war mongers/zionist. It makes my heart hurt so bad that my government and military complex are the actual terrorist. We have lied and lied, made agreements and deals all while dangling a fraudulent piece of paper in front of our "foes" all while setting up military bases and embassies all over the world. And then when someone does not want to abide by our rules we sanction & threaten them and sometimes start war. We have been the neighborhood bully for far too long. Many a people want America to pay for their atrocities. The time is near....

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jamenta's avatar

You know, if its my life traded for 500 Palestinian children - I'd do it. Although I do have a great fear of dying. :(

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Lauren bishop's avatar

Me too. That's honestly the only thing that keeps me positive is the children all over the world. In order for an entirely FREE system, globql unity and peace the current systems and regimes must be destroyed. Only then can something new be created.

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Deena Stryker's avatar

Not sure you create by destroying.....

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Lauren bishop's avatar

How else do you save humanity when the corruption & intentional take down is being done from within? Serious question.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

By doing something else. The social order can be reorganized at a ground level by starting small, keeping a low profile, and using personal relationships and communications as opposed to mass and social media and political and other mass or public institutions. Look around, and you'll find people doing it.

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jamenta's avatar

Anti-government rhetoric only serves the obscenely rich.

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Lauren bishop's avatar

This would have been a possibility a few years ago at least. It's too late now.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

jamenta: Oh, we don't get to make bargains like that trading our life for others except on rare occasions. Most of us do it every day in a way though. We go to work. We do the right thing. We keep our families as safe as possible.

I'm not afraid to die. I'm afraid of ending up in a nursing home.

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denny's avatar

Well said. and unfortunately, true.

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LucyNeo's avatar

Best stack of 2023 thusfar. Just brilliant, brave, and no bullshit. Huge fan.

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D. Malcolm Carson's avatar

Yes, it's pretty frustrating to watch them run the same stupid playbook over and over, and every time, enough people fall for it to justify their continuing to do it.

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Dr.Who's avatar

Thank you covering this extremely important conspiracy truth. Though I have to say I was not expecting the actual facts to come to light this fast. And I am sure there’s more, a LOT more.

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Les's avatar

On actual facts . . .

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On the question of " . . . unthinking mental infants . . . ".,

This operation has the appearance of a known event that elements within the Security Apparatus let unfold.

Egyptian Security may have stuck it to the Israelis by their disclosure.

Palestinian Territories have tens of thousands who are Israeli agents, as discussed decades ago by one Shin Bet officer.

The borders are under extensive, close electronic surveillance. Nothing approaches that is not known, more recently examined by an Israeli security officer.

Interestingly, the music event staged near Gaza was relocated there a few days prior.

_____________

There are several hypotheses as to what is driving this.

One - Removing the Hard Right from Israeli Politics. Another - Removing the Palestinians from Israeli territory.

Clearly, mutually exclusive.

There may be other explanations.

__________

As for " . . . IDF troops who were firing indiscriminately . . . ", they are not Chechen nor Russian professional soldiers who are trained and experienced in the close-in work required for heavily built up civilian areas against hardened targets.

__________

As for " . . . Israeli rightists . . . ", the country is split between the Mizrahi, the Settlers and the Ultra-Religious classes on the one hand and the Liberal Progressive Ashkenzi, broadly. One class may be trying to eliminate the other from political force and affect.

__________

As for the so-called unprovoked " . . . invasion of Ukraine . . .",

God Favours Russia . . . https://les7eb.substack.com/p/ukraine-long-proxy-war-vi-god-favours

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Patricia Blair's avatar

Now Zionist Biden is flying to Israel to make things worse..if that is possible. He is such an embarrassment to good human beings in America. In fact the whole government is an embarrassment, lacking in integrity. “ A friend of Israel is no friend of humanity.” So sad what happened after the Holocaust; self destruction with Zionism!

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Patricia Blair: I thought Biden was flying to East Palestine, Ohio... oh, wait... never mind.

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russian_bot's avatar

You love that place, Timmy, we get it. But it's pronounced differently so time to drop the shtick.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

russian_bot: "My name is Frankenstein!"

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russian_bot's avatar

Good to know. Don't get confused if I call you Frankie now and again.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

russian_bot: That was a reference to the movie "Young Frankenstein". You need to get out more.

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Literally Mussolini's avatar

I got it, but maybe next time spell it Frankensteen, since in German the preceding e makes the following i long.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

Biden's flight may be a sign of desperation. It appears that the public reaction worldwide to the various events in Gaza have not turned out well from the imperial point of view.

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Literally Mussolini's avatar

I think the empire just has to occasionally send this meat puppet out to one "hot spot" or another to try to maintain the illusion that he is"in charge".

That a fair number of Americans fall for this is disconcerting.

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Kojo's avatar

Biden US not a zionist. He worships money only.

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Cirze's avatar

You misspelled any.

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denny's avatar

Define Holocaust...the Hollow Cost more like. 5.9 million people emigrated to Palestine during and after WW2.

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DomeLord's avatar

As a start, one could try defining it as 6,000,000™...

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John Iversen's avatar

Israel is creating their own Warsaw ghetto in Palestinian Gaza . . .

meanwhile

Biden’s trip to the Middle East attempting to create his own Camp David Accords . . .

meanwhile

The killing fields of the World go on & on & on . . .

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jamenta's avatar

The value of human life descending back to the dark ages.

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Martin Bayliss's avatar

Another shameful episode in the long history of colonial oppression. Only the heart- and brain- dead can fail to sympathise with the victims of Israeli violence in Palesttine. Against such a horrific backdrop it seems almost insulting to talk of a silver lining, but perhaps there is one. The good news is that the Empire rah-rahs and boot lickers are increasingly confined to NATO countries and a few outlying US vassal states - Australia, Japan, Korea, etc. Throughout Asia, Africa and Latin America there is growing rejection of western dominance and its dishonest narrative. Even in Europe, there is increasing popular understanding that Palestinians are suffering grave injustice at the hands of the so-called democracies, a change that has frightened European leaders into taking unprecedented steps to repress dissent. Dangerous days ahead. but at least a light on the hill.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Seems to me the faster the US Empire can accept it's dying and go gracefully the better it will be for the whole world.

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@smokygirl2006's avatar

Good read Caitlin. I do remember the craziness after that dreadful day in 2001. It seems there was no one willing to question the things that started happening after that day. I remember how sad I was after it happened, yet I was scared for our nation to go to war because I know war is never the answer. And when Iraq was invaded in 2003 by US I was very upset and didn’t want to look at any TV news. Now it’s happening all over again. People fall hook, line and sinker for the propaganda. It’s actually patriotic to question one’s government. What do you think the colonies were doing in 1776 when Thomas Jefferson wrote & the men in that room signed the Declaration of Independence? They questioned Britain’s right to rule over the 13 colonies. We need to question more and not just wave the flag every time there’s another hot war in the world.😢☮️

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Michael Green's avatar

Let us stand for truth against power. Truth rarely comes from a narrative of one.

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Martina Lauer's avatar

It's okay to bomb certain kids to prove a point. We are so f**ing moral in the West. Much superior to those barbarians.

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jamenta's avatar

The stupidity of it seems so obvious. But I guess if you see someone on TV or on a youtube video, dressed up in a suit and tie, well-groomed - telling you the Israelis are attempting to help the "civilians", and they have a right to kill more Palestinians - because the Palestinians so gruesomely killed Israelis - well apparently it works on a lot of people.

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Les's avatar

On the question of " . . . unthinking mental infants . . . ".,

This operation has the appearance of a known event that elements within the Security Apparatus let unfold.

Palestinian Territories have tens of thousands who are Israeli agents, as discussed decades ago by one Shin Bet officer.

The borders are under extensive electronic surveillance. Nothing approaches that is not known, more recently examined by an Israeli security officer.

Interestingly, the music event staged near Gaza was relocated there a few days prior.

There are several hypotheses as to what is driving this.

One - Removing the Hard Right from Israeli Politics. Another - Removing the Palestinians from Israeli territory.

Clearly, mutually exclusive.

There may be other explanations, yet to emerge.

__________

As for " . . . IDF troops who were firing indiscriminately . . . ", they are not Chechen nor Russian professional soldiers who are trained and experienced in the close-in work required for heavily built up civilian areas against hardened targets.

__________

As for " . . . Israeli rightists . . . ", the country is split between the Mizrahi, the Settlers and the Ultra-Religious classes on the one hand and the Liberal Progressive Ashkenzi, broadly. One class may be trying to eliminate the other from political force and affect.

__________

As for the so-called unprovoked " . . . invasion of Ukraine . . .",

God Favours Russia . . . https://les7eb.substack.com/p/ukraine-long-proxy-war-vi-god-favours

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Hamas won an election in Gaza 16 years ago. Only 7% voted. Hamas won't allow new elections. 1/2 the population of Gaza weren't born or were children 16 years ago.

Hamas is a terrible organization and has done nothing to help Gazans that I can see.

With Israel, that place is nuts. Zionists run the place for some crazy reason. Or is it because the peaceful leaders of Israel get assassinated (Yitzhak Rabin).

Both Gaza and Israel are run by bloodthirsty murderers. The civilians of Gaza and Israel are pawns.

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Dr.Who's avatar

Israel created Hamas, so that explains some parallels

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Timmy Taes's avatar

Dr.Who: Yeah, and the USA insisted on the elections that brought Hamas to power in Gaza. It's crazy. Dr. Paul called out the whole insanity of this on the floor of Congress many years ago.

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russian_bot's avatar

Hamas = ISIS, Timmy. ISIS was created and used by both USA and Israel to wreak havoc in the area not that long ago.

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Timmy Taes's avatar

russian_bot: That is old news.

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russian_bot's avatar

Not for too many people, Frankie.

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David Avenell's avatar

I'd bet Roger Waters has been disappeared from the internet.

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Cirze's avatar

If not permanently.

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David Avenell's avatar

Actually Cirze, I got that wrong. Roger Waters' feed is still up on X with a post titled 'To whom it may concern, please STOP'. Maybe Elon is genuine in his pledge to protect free speech.

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