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Mohammed A's avatar

Bret Stevens is the worst. I saw the by-line and knew it was going to be stupid. I’m almost sure he does not acknowledge the person who took two bullets to save everyone was Muslim. Where is the intifada there?! Stupid men write stupid think pieces that make a child writing on the walls with sharpie seem like sonnets.

Dumbass.

N. Obody's avatar

the most twisted part was that the Intifada was just civil resistance to the occupation not "terror attacks". So they are saying even civil disobedience is "antisemitic"

MM's avatar
Dec 15Edited

Yes, but don't think that that other NYT Zionist-apologist hack, Ross Duthat, won't jump on the anti-semitism bandwagon for his next column as well.

I obviously always skip reading either of their columns and often just sample the comments section where my faith in humanity is restored, ever so briefly.

X K's avatar
Dec 15Edited

What the hell are these two propagandists and apologists for Israel doing at a major newspaper? Such pabulum as they spew doesn't meet the criteria of "diversity of opinion" or however the mainstream media couch an unwillingness to speak the truth on any given matter. There is no journalistic reason or justification to give these two scribblers a platform, a voice in the public square. I'm not saying censor them; I'm saying they're not worth carrying.

CK's avatar

Consider who owns that major newspaper.

X K's avatar

Yes, but I didn't wish to be obvious, I just wanted to pose the general question... which they have answered.

CK's avatar

NYT, WSJ, WAPO and many other major newspapers and their syndicated subsidiaries are owned by the same group of elites, many of whom also have vested interests in the military-industrial complex and Big Oil.

None of that is coincidental. Legitimate investigative journalists are an endangered species. Hundreds have been assassinated or the unfortunate victims of “accidental” death.

X K's avatar
Dec 15Edited

Alan MacLeod, Dan Cohen, and one other investigative journalist (whose name I'm blanking on) in particular at Mintpress News have done exceptional jobs in laying out Israeli and Pentagon influence in all that you have mentioned. Well worth looking them up, but also nauseating to see how the game is being rigged. Of course Chris Hedges has related how all those publications are merely extensions of The Empire.

Davina's avatar

They are employed by zionist Jewish ownership, like so much of today's media, all bought to support genocidal israel, and they keep trying to tell us that jews are smart. Maybe the Arab jews were but it got weakened by marriage and allowing Europeans converts; to increase their numbers or to stop inbreeding?

When Palestinian jews converted to Islam when Ottomans invaded, it turned out to be a religion that allowed them ALL to live in peace, including the jews that stayed but did not convert. Maybe That's what scares the israeli's so much 'A religion that allows all other religions to live in peace TOGETHER'.

Then... along came the British who hated/hates both Jews and Muslims and anyone not with peally-wally white skin, which I have but I'm a Scot so that rules me out 'cause they hate Scots, too. I'm not all that sure that they, like the Israelis, care for anyone other than themselves.

With the Americans it has to be money, power or oil, which brings money, but they seem to hate everyone too, so, why are they supporting israhell? It's the big wealthiest jews taking over the media, and any other profitable business they can buy cheap. Doesn't matter what your religion is as long as you obey your Jewish boss's dictum or you're out.

MastiffSal's avatar

Because I live in a Fascist country (England) whatever it is that you included or linked, my (in Israels pocket) government have decided I cannot see, unless I give them a shitload of details to "prove I'm over 18" (not of course, to track who I am, because I still -supposedly- have some human rights). This is all to stop child pornography, doncha know!

Jack Horner's avatar

Not necessarily an endorsement but Davina wrote: (my abbreviations}

They are employed by z'nist J'ish ownership, like so much of today's media, all bought to support genocidal i'ael, and they keep trying to tell us that jews are smart. Maybe the Arab jews were but it got weakened by marriage and allowing Europeans converts; to increase their numbers or to stop inbreeding?

When Palestinian jews converted to Islam when Ottomans invaded, it turned out to be a religion that allowed them ALL to live in peace, including the jews that stayed but did not convert. Maybe That's what scares the israeli's so much 'A religion that allows all other religions to live in peace TOGETHER'.

Then... along came the British who hated/hates both Jews and Muslims and anyone not with peally-wally white skin, which I have but I'm a Scot so that rules me out 'cause they hate Scots, too. I'm not all that sure that they, like the Israelis, care for anyone other than themselves.

With the Americans it has to be money, power or oil, which brings money, but they seem to hate everyone too, so, why are they supporting israhell? It's the big wealthiest jews taking over the media, and any other profitable business they can buy cheap. Doesn't matter what your religion is as long as you obey your J'ish boss's dictum or you're out.

CK's avatar

True Jews are not Zionists. Zionists are not actually Jews. Zionists are atheists or they are hypocrites who pretend to be Jews, Christians or Muslims.

As for the Brits, they have many hypocrites of all varieties. They did spawn the American Empire.

Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Thank you. My late fiance's family agreed. They disapproved of Zionism and were appalled by one visit to Israel. (By the way, they were Jewish.)

Davina's avatar

Zionists have used jews for decades to get power, as long as jews allow that parasitic symbiosis their lives will be miserable because zionists will use them until they have all the power they need/want and then it will be 'bye bye jews'.

Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

This is why I cancelled my subscription to the NY Times. To listen to or believe anything produced by mainstream corporate media is a fool's errand. You will never get the truth there.

Diana van Eyk's avatar

"Massacring civilians is wrong. It’s wrong in Bondi Beach, and it’s wrong in Gaza."

It's that uncomplicated. The killing needs to stop. Everywhere.

Jim's avatar

Unfortunately peace isn’t profitable for the ruling class.

Nick Douglas's avatar

For normal decent people it is uncomplicated. But chosenites think they are ubermensch. Their each life is worth thousands or millions of goyim lives.

Lisa Dixon's avatar

‘Chosenites’👍word of the day!

Brianna Amore's avatar

Yeah but saying it's wrong in Gaza is tantamount to terrorism, according to these people.

X K's avatar

"The killing needs to stop. Everywhere."

I disagree, at least two more need to occur, those of war criminals Netanyahu and Gvir, when justice will have been infinitesimally served when these two are seen live streamed swinging from the end of a rope.

Tony Schumacher-Jones's avatar

More succinct than me. Well said.

Roy McIntosh's avatar

Since 2020 has there been double standards by POLITICIANS/COPS/MSM/COUNCILS etc as to how they dealt with and reported on such matters as LOCK DOWN PROTESTORS/JABBED V UN JABBED/BLM/LGBTQ/UKRAINE V RUSSIA/MUSLIM V CHRISTIAN etc/MIGRANT ISSUES/KILLING AND RAPES etc? JUST ASKING!

Have the ELDERLY & VULNERABLE MURDERED IN 2020 by DNR/MORPHINE/MIDAZOLAM etc been given honest HEARINGS and JUSTICE?

Have the MAIMED AND MURDERED BY THE POISON JABS BEEN GIVEN OPEN AND HONEST TREATMENT AND JUSTICE?

In UK alone there was the SOUTHPORT GIRL MURDERS. In DUNDEE the young girl who got an axe and knife to allegedly to protect her and her sister from some creepy fella? Saw councils and churches flying all sorts of flags but if public put up country flag they were condemned? Lock down protesters were given harsh treatment by COPS/POLITICIANS/MSM etc!? Has there been honest and fair reporting on BLM/LGBT/UKRAINEV RUSSIA/BOAT MIGRANT ISSUES/MUSLIM-PALESTINE-CHRISTIAN ISSUES!?

Has it been all openly and honestly been reported on? Has open and honest debate taken place with people from both sides and all walks of life? Has there been honest reporting from both MSM and alternative MEDIA? Have both sides of the MEDIA been given same access and same reports etc?

If it has not all been open and honest has some of the hate and outcomes through that hate been created by the lack of open and honest REPORTING/DEBATES/INVESTIGATIONS etc? JUST ASKING!

Now I am mainly talking about SCOTLAND/UK etc but maybe other countries the likes of CANADA/AMERICA/CANADA/AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND have tales and stories of thier own to spill out to the people round the world--YES/NO?

Now I am JUST ASKING! Hey the WORLD IS A LOVELY PLACE AND WE KNOW THE DANGERS IN THE JUNGLES AND OCEAN BUT SINCE 2020 MORE THAN EVER A CLEAR PICTURE HAS SHOWN THAT THE REAL DANGERS ARE THE PEOPLE! Look in the mirror and think about it!

Sean Griobhtha's avatar

ISIS & Mossad - “Jews killed Jews"

Israeli PM Ariel Sharon, 1928-2014, in a Hebrew language interview with Israeli writer Amos Oz, stated: “Even today I volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug out from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up a few synagogues, I don’t care. And I don’t mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal… What your kind doesn’t understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it.” (published in Hebrew in the Israeli newspaper Davar, 17 December 1982)

https://griobhtha1.substack.com/p/dear-zionist

Nick Douglas's avatar

This will give israel excuse to murder another 10,000 Gazan babies and fascist west will support it. They have been dehumanizing Palestinians for 75+ years. So "antisemitism" is now opposition to genocide of semitic Palestinians by non-semitic white khazarian jewish converts and colonizers. How inhumane, sick, shameless, and perverted supremacist israeli society is and everyone that supports that genocidal monstrosity.

Jack Horner's avatar

Nick, your comment is blocked in the UK for those that don't prove their user account's real identity to the state. (Masquerading as age verification). Anyway, I read and agree with your statement. That entity will use it as an excuse to carry on their depravity and the Western leaders will drool and lap.

Sean Griobhtha's avatar

So whe. they do this verification, say, through Substack, do you ghen just get an digital access token; or are the identity credentials stored by Substack?

Jack Horner's avatar

'Users could be required to do a selfie for facial age logging, with a photo of government-issued ID used as an alternative if the check has no success. The company says it will hold onto an age estimate to ease future checks, a process that raises privacy concerns even as it may ease friction for returning readers.'

From https://www.findarticles.com/substack-now-requires-age-verification-for-uk-users/

Jack Horner's avatar

I do not know. But it certainly ties one's provable identity to a user account, IP address at some point in time. How and who that is shared with is all hidden in the black box of their system, so even if there is a claim of straightforwardness, I'd retain my doubts.

Also, the stuff that is getting blocked is frequently just false positives - totally innocuous.

Ron Stockton's avatar

Had the western propaganda sheets been real newspapers, statements like Sharon’s would have been front page news and maybe we wouldn’t be seeing the genocide of Palestinians today. So the western media are as responsible for this genocide as the Zionists and western political parties.

Marten's avatar

Highly disturbing and satanic from a degenerate Monster !!!!

Davina's avatar

Not the least surprised, he was a zionist so no conscience, no empathy, no soul.

X K's avatar
Dec 15Edited

Gee, such inspiring oratory coming from the head of state of a fabricated, illegitimate nation, though not exactly on a par with something like "We hold these truths to be self-evident..." and coming a mere 34 years (gee, it took that long...?) after this criminal, villainous, toxic entity was granted a seat at the UN. Something went wrong somewhere.

Davina's avatar

Of course they will - anyone or anything will do when you're out to get sympathy, even if it means killing your own people by your own people, it's worked for decades they won't change a working strategy while it still does the job -- in their opinion.

Susan T's avatar

The warning signs of that such an attack might happen somewhere in the world are that Israel is murdering Palestinians, destroying Gaza, raping Palestinian prisoners, leaving children with missing limbs and mangled faces, shooting starving people when they arrive for food rations. It is very odd that the person who stopped the attacker is only mentioned as an owner of a produce store: not much mention that he is a Muslim.

Tenggara's avatar

I’ll post this here too:

All these efforts to protect the Jewish people. Where are the same efforts to protect the people in Gaza? Palestine? Lubnan? Sudan? Aren’t those more horrific? Don’t all people matter? So if a few so-called “Muslim terrorists” is supposed to represent the whole 2b Muslim population, what does a whole “state” of genocidal Jews say about the whole - what - 16m? - Jewish population in the world? Add to that Evangelical Christian “allies” and other money-grabbing idiots? Statistically, that’s a higher percentage of representation, no? But no, Muslims have a lower bar over which everything is considered “terroristic”. While the other snowflakes have “mental issues”. But I’m glad so many seem to be seeing through all this.

Davina's avatar

Do not start me on evangelicals taken in by zionist bible changes starting in 1905 by a convicted criminal turned jew and dictated by zionists and handed out to new evangelical pastors - they sure knew their target suckers.

Jack Horner's avatar

Hidden in the UK but Tenggara wrote:

I’ll post this here too:

All these efforts to protect the J'ish people. Where are the same efforts to protect the people in Gaza? Palestine? Lubnan? Sudan? Aren’t those more horrific? Don’t all people matter? So if a few so-called “Muslim t' error wrists” is supposed to represent the whole 2b Muslim population, what does a whole “state” of genocidal Js say about the whole - what - 16m? - Jewish population in the world? Add to that Evangelical Christian “allies” and other money-grabbing idiots? Statistically, that’s a higher percentage of representation, no? But no, Muslims have a lower bar over which everything is considered “t' error wristic”. While the other snowflakes have “mental issues”. But I’m glad so many seem to be seeing through all this.

Davina's avatar

Albanese calls this "An act of pure evil" why has he never ever called tge genocide in Gaza what it is "Absolutely pure evel"?

Nick Douglas's avatar

Albanese is just another western a$$hole. So, bombing and murdering 20,000 Gazan children alone is "israel has right to self-defense". But 12 Australian jews dying is "pure evil".

Lisa Dixon's avatar

It’s just appalling hypocrisy from our ‘leader’ Albanese

Aamir Razak's avatar

well said Davina, the double standards are just grotesque and appalling. It's as if the genocide victims's lives are somehow worth less

Lily East's avatar

I would like to point out that a lot of these mainstream media outlets have comments turned off on their reporting of this incident. Makes one wonder why...? Are they afraid that people are seeing through their BS perhaps? Maybe? A little? 😏

Benjamin's avatar

The American left can win elections or it can support Israel. It cannot do both, and they're scared shitless. By "They" I mean the Zionist establishment that owns both parties and virtually all media in America.

Tony Schumacher-Jones's avatar

But is there really an American left?

Lily East's avatar

It's both BS sides of the same shitty coin.

Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

YES! They are called the Socialist Equality Party and I have supported them for decades. I vote for them in every election where they run candidates. And they have branches all over the world. Read the World Socialist Web Site and learn.

Tony Schumacher-Jones's avatar

Sorry, I should have said, is there an American left that has any chance of gaining power? In Australia we have the Socialist Workers Party which regularly gets almost one percent of the vote. Let’s be serious.

Benjamin's avatar

I probably should have just said the Democrats, and they're certainly not the left. The opposition, maybe. Left died during the Cold War, but they might make a comeback if the Democrats keep attacking them. I agree with all the responses to my comment here.

Lily East's avatar

The left and right are the same in the govt. It's not left vs right. We need the system to be gutted and completely remade into something different. 2 party BS system doesn't work

Benjamin's avatar

i agree, but it's going to take some global catastrophe to move that along. A world war, much more lethal pandemic, maybe a climate collapse or two. Otherwise, I'm afraid the money will keep a tight grip on all our institutions. AI certainly isn't going to help, unless some sainted virologist uses it to make Captain Trips or some similar.

Aamir Razak's avatar

Great point Ms. East, you very well could be right.

Dollyboy's avatar

Wait until they link the shooters to Iran. Haha! Iran done organised it! Let's bomb Iran again says Israel.

Nancy's avatar

They’re already trying to do that and some “media” in the U.S. is already reporting it as fact. See my post below.

Dollyboy's avatar

😮 That didn’t take long.

Jim S's avatar

Thank You Caitlin

Alan's avatar

If you genocide over 1MM innocent men, women, children, and steal their land there's gonna be some blowback. The immutable laws of physics state that for every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Of course, Israel doesn't think it applies to them.

Dan Mage's avatar

Americans don't think it applies to them either. Karma's a B*tch...

Nick Douglas's avatar

Equal reaction would look very different.

Feral Finster's avatar

Zionists rejoice at blowback, as that gives them an opportunity to run screaming to their American thug and to demand more double standards and special pleading.

The Revolution Continues's avatar

"Instead they’re blaming the violence on the most peaceful people in the equation: the ones holding signs and saying violent massacres should NOT happen."

This is why this whole awful incident sounds like a false flag to me. The Israelis are trying to "re-victimize" themselves after two years+ of genocide in Gaza. They don't deny what they're doing, but they want everyone to simply forget about it and pity them. And they can use these false flags to get governments to pass censorship laws and shut down any protesters.

Fortunately, the propaganda isn't working as well as it used to. More and more people know the difference between zionism and the religion of Judaism. They're not buying the false flag. Once again, the Hannibal Directive has cost the lives of innocent people to prop up the corrupt and evil Israeli regime and its allies.

Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"This is why this whole awful incident sounds like a false flag to me."

Gawd, every attack on an Israeli or a Jew (anywhere in the world) is a false flag now? Really? Sheesh!

A better way to think of this is - "you reap what you sow" - i.e. the Genocidal Israeli Zionists have invariably painted a target on the back of every Jew (because of their Genocide in multiple countries). This was bound to happen sooner or later, and will CONTINUE to happen for the forseeable future.

Are you going to call EVERY SINGLE attack/incident/event on Jews a 'false flag'???

The Revolution Continues's avatar

Yeah, I might. What would serve the zionist regime's goals the best? Having innocent Jewish families murdered in a public place fits the bill. If this was a "personal" murder, one would think it would happen in a private place/home and be smaller in scope. Instead, it's out in the open so it gets the most publicity. Murder to gain publicity to shut down pro-Palestine protests = false flag to me.

Chang Chokaski's avatar

Shit man, in YOUR world, everything is a false flag. There is no such thing as a "NON-false flag" event when it comes to Jews/Israelis. Do you even know how ridiculous that sounds? That's the problem with paranoid and conspiratorial thinking - it twists one's perspective on reality to make them think that there is ALWAYS a conspiracy. That anything else (regardless of evidence) that goes against 'such conspiracies' cannot possibly be true (because govts. lie, secret societies, what have you). Let all evidence, facts, and logic be damned. Let EVERY event of significance be a conspiracy. And people think AI Technologies are a problem - no, its paranoid, irrational, evidence-free, anti-science thinking that is a problem - and any technology (social media, AI, etc.) will only make it worse.

The Revolution Continues's avatar

Oh, I don't think it's a "conspiracy". I think it's just Mossad's standard M.O.

Read this article to see what I mean:

Here is everything the media is not telling you about the Bondi beach shooting https://www.councilestatemedia.uk/p/here-is-everything-the-media-is-not

Chang Chokaski's avatar

Sorry, but the Council Estate Media article FAILS the 'smell test'.

From the article:

>>" and while I can’t prove anything, I can certainly make a stronger case than Israeli intelligence can."

(1) Real, hard, cold FACTS and REAL evidence is required. Everyone has a theory, everyone can craft a narrative (based on their confirmation biases). Israel will craft one according to their biases, Israel supporters will craft one based on theirs, MSM will craft their own, and anti-Israel supporters will craft theirs. EVERYONE can speculate. Speculation is meaningless.

(2) Having read some of Council Estate Media articles in the past, I have a low opinion of them (on critical thinking and more). They align themselves on the border separating reality from conspiracy (and sometimes the border is quite thin and easy to cross).

(3) Most online spaces (and this definitely applies to SUBSTACK) are often populated with an above-average sampling population of 'conspiracy theoriests', anti-vaxxers, science-deniers, pseudo-science and alternative medicine adherents, etc. including woo-woo spirituality). People with such mindsets (and Caitlin's comments section is full of such people as are many of her subscribers unfortunately) EASILY believe (and are convinced by) WHATEVER narratives align with their confirmation biases - without much thinking or opposition (think of it as my-side bias - the tendency to critically analyze the opposing point of view without giving the same due diligence to your group's point of view/opinion).

The article you mention is easily debunkable (as it contains insinutations, suggestions, dubious connective reasoning, and faulty deductive reasoning - and NO real evidence or facts). But none of this debunking would matter (or make a difference) to people that form opinions based on 'my group/side' thinking (rather than actually attempting to find out the truth and following through on the why).

Many conspiracy theories are 'false-flag' theories - and just like it is impossible to convince a conspiracist of the flaws in their logic, the same applies to many proponents of 'false-flag' theories. They are not looking for truth/understanding (even though they resolutely think they are). Rather, they need to make narratives conform to their 'reality/model/perspective/understanding' of the world. This happens with people on the left, the right, and everything inbetween (i.e. human tendency regardless of ideology).

The Revolution Continues's avatar

It sounds like you're going along with the mainstream media's viewpoint, so where are you getting YOUR facts? At this point, we all have it our viewpoints, and I tend to not trust Israeli hasbara. Why would anyone after 2+ years of genocide?

Jack Horner's avatar

Chang, check out JantaKa's coverage of the shooter's name appearing in Google Search Trends (from Israel) BEFORE the Bondi event, just as those of the Washington DC shooting did (oh, and the name of one of the DC victims). Maybe you need to expect these things more. Your preferred narrative reinforces the MadMuslim stereotype with justification of their anger.

By the way, your comment was hidden in the UK to those who don't submit to identity verification.

Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"narrative reinforces the MadMuslim stereotype"

Nothing to do with Mad Muslim or Mad 'anything'.

There is GLOBAL moral outrage over what Israel has done in the last 2 years (and has been doing for 75+ years). It is BUT NATURAL for 'normal humans' to seek justice, retribution, etc. for this. This is just one example of BLOWBACK for the consequences of Israel's actions - though there well be plenty more continuing into the future.

Jack Horner's avatar

Chang, we've been in this situation before; you are insisting that others are wrong, and that you know what happened. That fails my 'smell test'. You are not engaging with the actual facts presented by others as, whilst you are rightfully enraged, you misdirect that by fighting your allies when they don't swallow your angle.

Infighting on the Left, or amongst anti Zionists? No thanks.

Please, go examine the Google Trends data before it gets cleansed. The same was true before the Afghan shooter in Washington DC. Rely on your nose only when your brain and eyes fail.

Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"you are insisting that others are wrong..."

Calling conspiracists wrong in a community where conspiracists gather (substack) is like calling Israeli Zionists in Israel wrong. They are. The facts are there. But BOTH Zionists (and conspiracists) ignore them or twist them to their own narratives and confirmation biases.

>>"Please, go examine the Google Trends data..."

I challenge you (or anyone else) to actually produce a link to check these particular 'Google Trends' BEFORE the attack. Remember - images can be doctored, and AI is also used to obfuscate such stuff. Hence, it is important to PERSONALLY verify the data.

>>"you misdirect that by fighting your allies when they don't swallow your angle."

Actually, no - I care about the TRUTH (whether it works in my favor or not). Most people don't care about the truth if it goes against their beliefs/narratives/biases (even though they THINK they want the truth - and this is especially true of 'truthers' or conspiracy theoriests - they hide behind the 'guise' of seeking the truth - in reality they are seeking confirmations for their biases and narratives).

Maybe take some time to study the psychology of conspiracy theories (and the people that get suckered into them). I can recommend several high quality books to read if you are interested.

Jack Horner's avatar

Oh Chang. Maybe consider taking time to study the psychology of those who are routinely convinced they are right and the inverse relationship in those people with their levels of knowledge.

Yes, many things you say are correct, but they are not pertinent to the actual challenges posed above. Yes deepfakes are a thing and yes, people are furious worldwide, but you have everything assessed, judged and tidily sewn up, without a shred of evidence to confirm your strong assertion. Who is confirming their prejudices there, including those surrounding considerations that 'smell' like conspiracy theories and the 'suckers' who believe them? The biggest conspiracy theory is that powerful people encourage utter dismissal of all theories of possible conspiracies in order to get away with those conspiracies that are actually real.

Are you getting out enough? I know I'm not. Maybe go enjoy a stroll rather than 'correcting' me.

JG Miller's avatar

The mass media everywhere is uncritically quoting people, or even editorializing themselves, saying that the Bondi shooting is "antisemitism". That word appears consistently in headlines today, and probably will for many days. But they're pulling the same old trick again - conflating antisemitism with anti-Zionism. This event hosted at least one outspoken Zionist rabbi, who was killed. If the shooters are Muslim, they almost certainly killed because of Israel's genocide of their brothers and sisters and because of widespread mainstream Jewish and western complicity in it. Not because Muslims or Arabs have some kind of animalistic, inchoate hatred of Jews or their religion.

It's just as important as ever not to fall into the "antisemitism" trap, which western media and leaders are gladly nudging people into today as the default, unexamined explanation.

The suffering that those people on the beach and their families started experiencing today is a drop in the ocean compared to the suffering of the Palestinians for decades.

Barrie's avatar

First and foremost killing innocent people is a crime. The however moment , had the Australian government supported the International Court of Justice in the findings of the war crimes against Palestine's, placed sanctions on Israel. It's goods, travel, financial sector and arms imports and exports. Not all but most people would see that as being fair and reasonable. Doing nothing but making bull shit statements of soft diplomacy push some people over the edge of reasonableness. The shooters pulled the trigger but it was governments inaction that made it happen

Steven Marriott's avatar

Get rid of guns altogether and gun clubs

Who the fuck needs 5 or 6 guns. The cops are up against it .

Barrie's avatar

Yes I agree. Removing guns won't remove the problem, it will become knives. Bombs car jackings.

Nancy's avatar

As I wrote elsewhere today, I watched coverage of the Bondi Beach killings on MS NOW (formerly MSNBC). The network showed a video clip of one of the shooters being disarmed by a man at great risk to himself. They said the man was 43 and that he was a fruit stand owner or operator. They did not, however, give his name (which I learned in independent media), nor report that he is Muslim. In a subsequent segment, they had as a guest to address the Bondi killings Brad Lander, who, as many of us in the States know, ran for mayor of NYC before dropping out and endorsing and campaigning for Mamdani. Lander is

Jewish, and was coming directly from a Hanukah observance. Lander volunteered that the man who intervened and was wounded himself is Muslim. The hosts looked uncomfortable and changed the subject. Surely, as “journalists,” they knew the man is Muslim along with his age and type of business. But then this is the network (that is, one of them) that has barely mentioned the word “Gaza” in two years of genocide. The hosts with the most air time, Rachel Maddow, Jen Psaki and Nicolle Wallace, haven’t mentioned it at all. (This can be confirmed via web searches).

Another MS NOW regular contributor, someone who has praised Machado as a “democrat,” said that Australia had concluded that Iran was behind the attack on Bondi Beach. I did my own research on this and learned that although Australia was conducting an investigation, it had reached no conclusion about who, if anyone except the two directly involved, was “behind” the attack. There was some speculation that Iran was behind it because two incidents in late 2024, one of which Caitlin mentions, had been blamed on Iran. The sources for that conclusion? Mossad and Australia’s intelligence organization, I guess the country’s equivalent of the U.S.’s CIA. This seemed a convenient justification for Israel to again try to goad the U.S. into invading Iran. While it might be true, it may also not be true. (Iran has denied it).

I’m wondering whether as an Australian, Caitlin has any more insights into this. As always, thanks for your coverage.

X K's avatar

"Zionism is the single greatest threat to free expression in the entire western world."

As dire as that is in itself, let's not limit Zionism's toxicity just to that. Included in this are the threats to both domestic and foreign policy, hence this country's own sovereignty over its affairs; the manipulation of the press and the media; the warping of our education from K-12 through higher education; and the undermining of our Constitutional protections, all in service to an uncontrolled, murderous, illegitimate state.

Zionism is beyond threat, it is the present day, perhaps even all time, manifestation of vileness, venality, and depravity in the world.

Davina's avatar

They chose well when jews becames their target both before and after the holocaust. Who else would think to encourage Nazis to exterminate jews and then encourage those the nazis missed to form a Jewish state in, of all places, Palestine by making them believe the zionists were ^for^ jews when they obviously thought moving them there would get more killed - of course part of the plan was how much richer they could become if they got America to side with this Jewish state by ensuring more altered bibles went out to more churches, not just evangelicals, whose leaders also happen to like to become disgustingly wealthy.

Alex Livingston's avatar

How about saying “Israel is committing terrorism”? Is that fair? Not alone in the world I'm sure, but why not acknowledge it, Israelis, instead of making hypocritical accusations? Or is a double standard at play?