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Whatistobedone's avatar

Yes. Thank you. Psychopaths. Yes, psychopaths. Question: How does one escape being an (alleged) "antisemite" in the face of genocide and the idiocy of those defending it? I'm anti-MAGA. So is that a pejorative as "evil" as being called an antisemite? If no, why not? The loathsome witch hunt for so-called antisemites (e.g. those speaking out against genocide) is agonizingly brain breaking. ISRAEL WILL NOT STOP UNTIL IT HAS ELIMINATED PALESTINIANS FROM THE EARTH. How can one NOT hate them? Don't bother telling me how evil I am for hating. The difference: I have not/will not ever resort to violence. My goal

is simply never to be in the presence of such evil, despicable people....Israel apologists. This is what "God's chosen people" are called to do? Annihilate a nation of people? SICK SICK SICK. Israeli Jewish people have become what they hate. Genocidal fascists.

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jamenta's avatar

Well at least for me, when it comes to a nation committing genocide, I allow myself to hate. Genocide is a moral evil that never should be accepted, and never forgotten. It is perhaps the greatest moral evil the human race is capable of.

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gypsy33's avatar

Agree, Jamenta. If I were any more emotional I’d be an actual emoji. Righteous hatred is part of our psychological makeup.

I love with a passion, and I hate with a passion. And my hatred for Israhell and its supporters in genocide are truly worthy of our hatred.

Thing is , it’ll be a miracle if I get past this atrocity without using my fists ( or Louisville Slugger) on someone. I got a little aggression in me 😉

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russian_bot's avatar

"If I were any more emotional I’d be an actual emoji" - the night is young, gypsy, the way things have been going.

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gypsy33's avatar

Omg, RB, I think I can feel it comin’ on …😳

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gypsy33's avatar

Straight up, Che 😉

But I’m saving that for the revolution, although I do need to purchase heavier armaments!

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Joy in HK's avatar

Consider for a moment that there are practical reasons to leave hatred behind. Is it not the hatred road that has led us to where we are right now? Might hatred have the power to block out other, better ideas, and ways of thinking? Perhaps solutions to this problem cannot be found on this path.

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Jeano's avatar

I agree with you Joy. Hatred is a quick and easy response to having a broken heart, mind and soul. And it is so debilitating, as you say, leading right back to the road we’re on now. Don't the Hindu’s call it samsara, the wheel? But for me, not hating can be such a struggle, and it’s not rewarded. During the Rwandan genocide, hatred about ate me up, but nobody paid any attention to it in the media so I hated alone. Now I can hate with the crowd, who seem to care more for a less dark skinned genocide, but it all kind of makes me sick. Now I have to work on not hating the haters.

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Susan T's avatar

vipassana meditation is a great meditation technique. It starts by telling us that we will be learning to get into contact with reality by using our own bodies. I am not religious on any level and it took me a long time to decide to go to my first Vipassana retreat. I often didn't agree with the developer of Vipassana, Goenka, (he died a few years ago) but the technique really worked for me and I sometimes used it to tune out when I didn't like what he was saying. I never knew that it was possible to discard anxiety like that. My son was so impressed with my changes, he went on a retreat too. I don't meditate as often as I need to but when I do, it still works for me. BTW, the retreats are free and silent. You get delicious vegetarian meals cooked for you. you can donate if you want to.

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jamenta's avatar

None of us should ever forget the human atrocity of genocide, nor excuse it for any reason at all. Genocide deserves to be hated, and those who perpetrate it. We should never forget. NEVER.

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Michael's avatar

That has to be the answer. The problem is our government is controlled by people motivated to continue violence and instability in the region, the very opposite of what they claim they want

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Realist's avatar

I agree, but it is not just instability in the Middle East, but anywhere there is wealth and power to be gained.

The people in control of the United States are rapacious megalomaniacs.

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Kojo's avatar

Exactly.

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Susan T's avatar

the violence and the instability are byproducts of their motivation to earn money and maintain power. They could care less about people dying and suffering as long as they maintain their bank accounts and the kind of status that money gives them. We have to somehow get out of this thing of thinking that acquiring a lot of money makes us successful, good people.

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ChazLB's avatar

I have said this for years ..the public has been bran washed to think a "success" is the product of honest hard work of "good people" and yet the psychopaths are the ones who have ordered society into a punitive predatory model of their "success" . The test taker is only as good or brainwashed as the test designers..

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Dr.Who's avatar

Why the hatred of Palestinians? They are not the ones who killed 6 millions Jews. They are a maniacal cult who have been raised to hate from birth. This is becoming more and more apparent each day. The masks have been torn off. Zionism, by definition, is a genocidal ideology. James puts it brilliantly, in different words:

https://youtu.be/PQi6O-0YKWI?si=vpr6PXa5_EKeGzgp

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ChazLB's avatar

SIDE NOTE: the 6 million figure has been proven inaccurate and an exaggeration. but the emotional investment in the lie has solidified it in stone and created the false "common knowledge" from comunal reinforced repition..

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Anthony G. Gelbert's avatar

No, it wasn't the hatred road that led us to where we are now; it was GREED. Hating evil behavior is our responsibility as caring human beings. It's the "Might Equals Right" greedballs who who have gone full Orwell by REJECTING empathy and altruisn as "weaknesses" and PROMOTING rampant human exploitation and murder for profit.

The wealthy elite greedballls use hate as a tool to divide us so we will not look at the evil bastards behind the oligarchic Social Darwinists 'R' US curtain.

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Susan T's avatar

I agree with you, but those with money, a nice house, plenty of food etc often look down on those who have been ripped off by those people to get their money. I hate the term "less fortunate" and have replaced it with "those ripped off"

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russian_bot's avatar

"...other, better ideas, and ways of thinking" - those have always been on the table. And what happened to them?

The "original" hatred is the problem as it trumps all possible "better" ideas. With a predictable outcome down the road.

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ChazLB's avatar

Hatred is reserved for stirring up the dumbed down mass's ..the people running this shit show don't "hate" as much as they are incapable of human emotions like pesky empathy and only see power money and profit and anointing themselves to "god" like stature..

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Linda Buemi's avatar

Those words about them becoming what they hate is true and also so sad.

You captured the essence very well.

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Susan T's avatar

My granddaughter asked me who I hate today. I almost said Zionists. But instead I said I was working really hard on not hating anyone. I think we have to keep trying. I am glad I did not pass down my hatred to my 9 year old granddaughter.

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ChazLB's avatar

Everyone will dutifully mindlessly sign and date the tax checks again and again afraid of the specter of the IRS mafia come banging at their door demanding its pith be paid..

The only real power we have can't be used because they effectively created a system that can single out any individual who dare not capitulate and obey.. that and any movement that gets a foot hold will have clandestine infiltrators joining in its leadership positions to destroy it from the inside out day two.. seen it with my own eyes....

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BJ's avatar

I could not agree more - no one will ever convince me differently the cell phones caused all of this - it was a deliberate diversion and intentional dumbing down of society! Trump and the lethal injections solidified it! Nothing shocks me more than the power of the people and yet they are to blinded by narcissism to see anything but themselves.

There are more of us then there are of them - the very one thing they fear is the Second Amendment and the millions upon millions upon millions of gun owners in this Country and still nothing! Instead, we simply wait for a massive terrorist attack which is imminent because of the open boarders and the fact that we are now officially the most hated Country in the entire world.

Sadly but how ironic it's the only that will impede this self destruction trajectory! Only this time they won't be able to hide behind the excuse "they attacked us because they resent our freedom" this time it will be "they attacked us because of our very government!" It will be America that is finally forced to surrender!

Just my personal opinion how this will eventually end.

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ChazLB's avatar

USA is going to become a third world country left behind by the other nations...western Europeans only make up a small percentage of the world population..you won't have to worry about the boarders no one is going to want to come here..the 50s Shangri la is of prosperity is over..every main street in the USA has boarded up business,,mom and pop is dying before our eyes. Political and corporate jackles have raped America for all its worth and handed it all over to the investment class and Israel...the world is in debt to who? Who now OWNS America? it's not the people.. Its corporation's and the blind worshiping of capital with political sycophants covering for them.. They want your guns alright,,slaves don't need guns,,master does not want you armed to the teeth.. They don't see you as adults and treat you like children to be managed and controlled not respected..you are deplorables to them..

Trump ain't gonna fix it but at least he will upset the system..

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BJ's avatar

We are a third world Country - look at this unabated crime! I live in NJ right outside of NYC - which is GONE! It's never coming back - the mere fact they're advertising to get people to come - solidifies it! Block after block of vacant stores - the rich are GONE they went to the Hamptons which is now the new NYC - but the good news is they will ever allow it to deteriorate like NYC - clearly it was intentional - I believe they sold us out to the Chinese for pennies on the dollar - no other reasonable explanation how you could destroy the greatest city in the world so expeditiously. It's worse than it ever was back in the 70's - now you're not safe anywhere. IT's gone and so is San Francisco! Now they're robbing Fed Ex drivers at gunpoint!

Trump's in bed with them - he's no savior - what he is however is the greatest gimmick to ever sell which is what they love and need. They own him! Keep in mind he never had a pot to piss in or window to throw it out of - it was a shell game which is why the NYC charges are actually quite truthful! They all do it rob from Peter to pay Paul to give the illusion - but when he left he made over a BILLION dollars (no influence peddling there though) which put him in the black - the worst thing you can do is expose him for the fraud he is which is what they own - VP-C did it with Dubya when he allowed him to continue to drink - (look at that mans face during public appearances back then or today) Trumps image is the air he breathes - no previous President made more money then he did. Obama walked out with a little less that 800 million. And then look at the Clintons. There's only one way you make that kind of money - same with the injections - the pharmaceutical industry donated over a million dollars to his inauguration - so no way in hell will he ever denounce them! I believe this is why they push the trials because it only makes him that much stronger - so when they corrupt the 2024 once again this time no one will buy it because his lead will be literally insurmountable! Biden is polling between 10 and 20% - again more bullshit - listen to Armstrong et al And don't forget his lovely two faced son-in-law Jared - God help us all with him and Israel - he's liable to instruct them to use nukes.

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ChazLB's avatar

Hate to tell you it's not the Chinese or Russia that ruinig the USA..lots of people keep blaming the communists for what the predatory capitalist do..getting people distracted to blame the wrong people for what the neocons and neolibrals are doing ..red scare was always a distraction tactic to wave bogeyman and hob goblins in front of the unsuspecting Americans while getting them to wave flags and coo at fireworks and jet fly bys

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David Carroll's avatar

You need help

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Whatistobedone's avatar

Thank you for your concern. How kind of you....

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ChazLB's avatar

Could you use some help to understand the intent of the presenter?.. NOT all Jewish folks fall into the category he demonstrates nore Christians nore islamists but that many who claim a religion use the religion to facilitate its lusts and desires against the will of others... All abrahamic religions are troubled with examples of abuses..

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russian_bot's avatar

Everyone does, including you.

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staircase whit's avatar

They hate fascists? Who was it that Mussolini himself called "A good fascist"?

Oh, that's right...

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jabotinski+mussolini&t=opera&ia=web

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ChazLB's avatar

I'm reminded of the communist witch hunts focusing on some jewish folks ..funny how they just repeat history and change the names when it suits THEM to use the witch hunting...

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David Carroll's avatar

Nobody wants to eliminate the Palestinians. By all accounts it Gaza should be Singapore. But they rejected a two state solution. Ask Hillary. Your detestation for Jews and Israel is noted. You would fit in at Harvard

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Shagbark's avatar

He’s just quoting someone saying some despicable shit, and this someone happens to be Jewish, and THAT means he hates Jews? That takes some serious mental hijinks to reach that conclusion. Your brain must be completely twisted up your own ass to crap out such intellectually impoverished nonsense.

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gypsy33's avatar

Ask Hillary! 🤣🤣🤣

You asshole. It was ISRAHELL who rejected it not the Palestinians! If you don’t know wtf you’re talking about, you need to just stfu!

And using the cackling, dried-up old bitch as a “source” proves that you are beyond ignorant!

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Jeano's avatar

Here’s the truly grotesque thing about the cackling dried up old c-word—-she’s going to run Bidumb’s presidential campaign! No joke.

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gypsy33's avatar

Jeano, that merely adds to the conclusion that Genocide Joe’s gonna lose his wrinkled old ass 😁

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ChazLB's avatar

Bidens simply the place holder of the MIC to give the illusions of a democracy to the dumbed down prolitariates....

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Elisabeth's avatar

Scary & disgusting! (I wish I had a magic wand ...)

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Susan T's avatar

Dqvid Carroll, you should read more about Zionism. It is not the same as Judaism, although I am sure you know that. It is you who is confused and it is you who promotes anti semitism with your backwards perspective on what is happening to an occupied people by occupiers who are Zionist. Zionism came before Nazism. Netanyayh is a Zionist.

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russian_bot's avatar

"you should read more about Zionism" - he knows everything about it, he's a bullshitter.

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ChazLB's avatar

The trouble with reading about zionism is zionist write a lot of lies about themselves to cover up for what they are really up to and then hide behind the jewish folks to get away with it.. one must dig deeper with a sceptical mind to avoid the pitfalls of mainstream narratives pushed by every single legacy media print and online agency while suppressing any truth...

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Whatistobedone's avatar

Haha

.....That's actually amusing....

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gypsy33's avatar

@ David Carroll

“Ask Hillary”!

😂

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Feral Finster's avatar

I suppose that the Warsaw Ghetto also should have been a prosperous ministate, but the ungrateful inmates just had to burn it down....

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ChazLB's avatar

Maybe the germans should have flooded those tunnels they had in warsaw drowning the vermin (as israel has been heard to say of palestinians) ....(SARCASM DISCLAIMER)

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ChazLB's avatar

You might want to examine your life time of indoctrinated knee jerk response to every criticism of the jewish faith as an automatic antiemetic one.. I'm sure you would prefer to be more fair and accurate in that regard..

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Sandra ---'s avatar

Israeli says to American stopped by Israeli police: “The Godly thing to do is to kill you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq28ZFNzaWM

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gypsy33's avatar

Sandra, that was fucking crazy.

I wish every so-called “Christian” who supports IsraHell would see this. I’m forwarding it to an evangelical in-law.

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Sandra ---'s avatar

Keep sharing!! That's about all we can do. I do battle with these Zionist Jews and Christian Zios over at Dr. Paul Alexander's substack, and nothing gets through. The brainwashing is severe!

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russian_bot's avatar

You have an evangelical in-law... fucking hell!!!

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ChazLB's avatar

Or commenters on this thread too...HAR!

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Susan T's avatar

That is disgusting, but not so many years ago, a man in the US was let off a charge of raping a small girl (3 years old, I think) because she was dressed in suggestive clothing. This disgusting attitude is not only in Jewish men.

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Susan T's avatar

I still maintain that in Christian society and probably many other societies based on religion, the sexism and entitlement for men is astounding. It comes across as being very anti Jewish the way you first stated it. I think that to look into such travesties, it is necessary to look at the full scope, not just one area.

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Susan T's avatar

I am not an expert on the bible by any means, but didn't Paul say that women had to obey their husbands? I think there are many disgusting, sexist, monstrous rules and laws in the bible. When I was going to church every Sunday there was plenty of pressure about what thoughts we were allowed to have and not have.

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Possibly the Only Real Solution for Israel/Hamas Is Radically Idealistic

The situation in Israel with Hamas is a wakeup call. Everything needs to be changed and rectified. It is based on a lie.:That Israel is the homeland for Jews, Zionism. This what the Bible said 2000 years ago, but sorry, it is not an authority today. Israel is not the homeland for Jews.

Planet Earth is the homeland for Jews and all humans. Is N. America the homeland for all native americans? The young Zionists came to Israel to escape Nazi persecution. The land was "given" to them by rabid anti-semites (Lord Balfour, etc.). A desert region surrounded by Arabs. The Zionists might have considered themselves "guests" of those who inhabited the area, but instead, treated them as colonists would treat the indigenous, resulting now after 75 years of oppression, in the desire for ethnocide.

These Zionists are an abomination for all Jews, creating a real excuse to hate Jews world-wide. They do not follow the precepts of their religion. They need to be removed and incarcerated (their leaders) though all Israelis are implicit in allowing them to reign.

The one or two state solutions are untenable and problematic.

The "homeland" needs to be a home for anyone to live in peace and harmony. Governed in a horizontal fashion to eliminate the possibility of subversion, corruption, and control. All people with equal rights and ethnic differences are honored and permitted. It needs to be an example to the world of how people can live together. The Jews were "chosen" not because they were in any way special, they were chosen to help lead the way to an ethical, just, and peaceful world.

And whatever happened to the 10 Commandments? Thou shalt not kill. And do unto others.... These Zionists are not really Jews, they are blasphemers.

The challenge now is to get this solution into the heads of humanity and especially Israelis and Palestinians.

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What is your opinion?

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Susan T's avatar

Israeli apologists fool themselves into believing that the US and Israel fight for the democratic rights of their people. They lie to themselves, I think so that they can fool themselves into believing that they deserve the money they make from conflicts and the power they take from the people in exchange for giving them "democracy".

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jamenta's avatar

Reminds me of a book I read some time ago: "Mistakes Were Made (but Not By Me) Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs" by psychologist Elliot Aronson. In the book, he talks about the psychological phenomena that occurs with a type of cognitive dissonance whereas typically, once a person comes to a certain set of beliefs - in order to maintain a sense of self worth and seeming level of rationality - it becomes nearly impossible for one to abandon one's beliefs in the face of contradictory evidence - which has led to all sorts of human atrocities. Good book. Good psychology professor too - he taught one of my Freshman college classes a very long time ago.

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Dr.Who's avatar

This applies to so many recent events, from covid to NATOs proxy war on Rus, and now this mass slaughter of women and children.

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Feral Finster's avatar

It helps when the mistake was the establishment consensus at the time. Such mistakes can and are forgiven, if they're even called mistakes at all.

But those who buck the establishment consensus are cast into Outer Darkness.

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Basil Rathbone's avatar

I've witnessed that denialist psychological formation a number of times over the past few decades. Almost no one will abandon erroneous beliefs they've held for years, that they've learned to identify with in order to maintain psychological security. It doesn't matter what anyone tells them; those beliefs are the only life raft they have. Shattering them would result in complete mental breakdown. I truly detest that our brains seem hardwired this way. Thanks a lot, "God"!

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jamenta's avatar

I agree with you pretty much.

However, there are still open ontological philosophical questions regarding our existence - and I find a spiritual approach to life has just as much a rational argument as an Atheist/Secular approach. Invoking "God" as a mistaken belief - when the nature of our existence and reason for our Being remains unknown (at least philosophically and scientifically) - I find not particularly convincing. Especially regarding the still open question: What is Consciousness?

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Wasn't aware I was trying to convince anyone of anything. But I've studied philosophy too, a fair amount of theology (years ago), and came away a pretty confirmed agnostic on the whole matter of God. No one can know one way or the other, and while I once loved Kierkegaard, I no longer find his leap of faith "convincing", or all that compelling. But that's just me.

Consciousness will likely remain a mystery no matter how much is discovered about its origins and evolution. Sir James Jeans made a good start and many others have followed up, notably the phenomenologists. No one to my knowledge has delved as deeply into it all as J. Krishnamurti and later David Bohm, the physicist. Even if we had the "answer" to consciousness, we still have to contend with inhabiting it, and what a poor job we've made of it.

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You did end with "Thanks a lot, "God"! " I'm not here to convince anyone of anything myself - have nothing to really prove. Just curious about life and the world and still open ontological questions.

Frederic Myers, James Hyslop, Richard Hodgson, William James, Carl Jung and more recently the work from Pim von Lommel, Bruce Greyson and Ian Stevenson - and speaking of physicists - Wolfgang Pauli delved into consciousness (not just the neurons in the brain). Jung and Freud's work were founded on the work of Myers - a good friend of James. Although Myers first labeled the unconscious as the sublimal self.

Unfortunately, we have Materialists dominating our current academic climate - whom not objectively (and not scientifically) dismiss anything which is not derivable from their yet unproven philosophical assumption all reality is reducible, including consciousness - to whatever they currently determine is "Materialism". It is a type of faith in of itself, although many Materialists will insist it is not.

Many physicists were claiming there was not much more to learn regarding physics after Sir Isaac Newton. But then a few physicists appeared - Heisenberg, Schrodinger, Einstein, von Neumann and Bohr pretty much blew their assumptions out of the water. I think there is still a great deal to learn about consciousness - but most likely not in the direction of reductive materialism. Perhaps more along the lines of what Robert Lanza and Berman write about.

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jim's avatar

They simplify the message by painting this conflict as a black and white issue. Basically all Jews and the Jewish state are good people, and all Palestinians are evil animals. How can one side with evil??? It’s the same trick the US uses in every conflict. We are on the side of good, whomever we are bombing are evil scum. It’s a simple strategy and it works. The security state has done a very good job of brainwashing the public with this propaganda. Only very recently have I noticed serious cracks in there armor. More people seem awakened to the reality that our government are liars, and lead by some of the most deplorable, bottom dwelling scum imaginable.

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If the Homeland you extol is the part of the planet that was and still is Palestine, then I would suggest that neither you nor I have any business limiting in any way - even rhetorically - what an appallingly oppressed people may do to get their homeland back from invaders. May I also point out that the vaunted 'right of return' to Palestine by Jews is based upon the claim that Ashkenazi Jews are in some verifiable sense 'Semites'. Semites are peoples ethnically and historically connected to a given chunk of the earth's surface for long enough that it has become their Homeland. I emphasize the role of the Ashkenazim in the Zionist Entity because they were the prime instigators of the invasion of Palestine, comprised the very great majority of the invaders and colonists during the original expulsion of Palestinians from roughly 1948 for a decade, and still have most of the wealth and virtually all of the power. Unfortunately for the Homeland claim in the way Zionists make it, ethnically and religiously, they do not qualify to control on their chosen basis one square inch of Palestine. They are neither genetically, nor therefore historically, connected to anywhere in the entire Levant. They are an Irano-Turkic-Slavic people originally from 5 villages in present day Turkey. The genetic information is here: <https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full#:~:text=involves%20multiple%20translocations.-,The%20Genetic%20Structure%20of%20Ashkenazic%20Jews,et%20al.%2C%202016)>

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Yes, I agree completely. My intent was to use the Zionist definitions in tandem with the definitions widely used in the culture/media to justify the invasion. From a scholarly or race critical perspective, I would suggest that none of the definitions applied to the Palestine problem - a phrase I use conscious of the history of the 'Jewish Problem' - are much more than paper for the cracks in the wallpaper, itself concealing the crumbling wall. And the history of "anti-Semitic" could likely stand as a case in point.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I know that that the Satmar Hassidim consider Israel to be satanic, and they refuse to set foot in the country or to have anything to do with it.

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David Carroll's avatar

Hamas has it figured out.

The Hamas Foundational Covenant.

- The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law (Sharia),

- The need for both unrestrained and unceasing holy war (jihad) to attain the above objective,

- The deliberate disdain for, and dismissal of, any negotiated resolution or political settlement of Jewish and Muslim claims to the Holy Land.

Oh.

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gypsy33's avatar

Just…holy fucking god.

Your ignorance is staggering. The HAMAS CHARTER has recognized IsraHell WITHIN ITS PRE-1967 BORDERS.

You’re posting nothing but hasbara, because it’s all ya got. If you can’t do any better than that, then get the fuck off Caitlin’s website and quit contaminating it.

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Joy in HK's avatar

They revised their charter in 2017, with quite a different perspective. The original charter was the work of one man. The revised charter was done after much consultation. I think you know this, but if not, please read up on it. And here’s hoping you will add that information to this post.

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Denise's avatar

Of course they know this; it simply doesn't matter. Yes is no and war is peace. Pleas to stop the slaughtering of civilians InCluDing children are anti-semitic.

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Denise's avatar

Hamas Charter of 2017

Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.

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David Carroll's avatar

Settlement occupation. Contextual. Got it. Indy league material no? Who taught you this BDS?

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David Carroll's avatar

Taqiyya

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Feral Finster's avatar

Ok, so if Hamas says what you claim .that can be taken at face value, but when they don't play along it's a headfake.

Two can play at that game. Israel goes full Amalek - Israel must be intent on war and genocide. Israel talks peace - they must be lying.

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David's avatar

If your inarguably indigenous homeland were invaded and colonized, would you not want to obliterate a quasi-state imposed upon your stolen homeland by the most brute of brute force? Supposed Christians and Jews worldwide are IN FACT and RIGHT NOW trying to secure the imposition of a Jewish State on an indigenous people. Would it be any proper concern of your invaders and their odious fellow travellers what religious and/or legal system you followed on your land? Jewish claims? Too bogus even to refute further. Hasbara indeed.

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"If children are being slaughtered by the thousands in a horrific massacre and someone tries to make the conversation about what words and phrases you’re not allowed to use when opposing that massacre, the correct thing to do is to tell that person to shut the fuck up."

I experienced this today, but I refrained from using crude terminology. But that didn't stop the person from insisting I was "attacking" them and that I didn't want to have a dialogue. I simply wanted to know, "Do you support the genocide in Gaza or not?" Why that question is seen as an "attack" and is not worthy of a yes or no response, beats me. I will be so glad when this is over to walk up to these assholes and say, "You DID support the genocide, and you're a freakin' sociopath who didn't care about the lives of children! I told you so then and I'm telling it to you now."

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Lets be honest, it is a very provocative question and defines what is going on as a genocide. I'm not putting you down for asking, just saying be careful.

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But the United Nations calls what is happening to people in Gaza as a "genocide." That is its legal term. And the Palestinian Americans I work with call it a "genocide" because they're losing relatives daily. So, what do we call it? A piece of dryer lint? It's not a "war" because there aren't two or more opposing armies and navies and air forces. Children and civilians are being targeted--also not allowed under the Geneva Conventions on warfare. So, it is a genocide. You can't call a fish a "dog" and expect it to act any differently, can you? Adults should be able to use proper legal terminology, IMO.

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I can't even remember what I was responding to, and even rereading what I wrote, I just don't know. I have called it and thought of it as a genocide from the beginning. I think Netanyahu and his buddy Gallant made that clear, animals he called them to be deprived of food, water, fuel, all those things that keep one alive. It's a genocide in no uncertain terms and shows a blatant lack of regard for the people of Palestine, and no doubt people from the Middle East. Our Middle Eastern wars were no different. One Muslim country after another, but had they been Christian or Jewish, never.

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It’s most definitely a genocide, by any definition. I asked a coworker that is 100% on the side of Israel a simple question. If a terrorist was hiding out in your gated community, you then agree the response should be to carpet bomb and level the entire neighborhood to get that terrorist??? He looked at me with a puzzled look. Said that’s not the same thing....it’s exactly the same thing. And slaughtering innocents because they may live among bad people is never the answer, never.

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I hope his brain started to work again and he made the connection. Murdering children and innocent civilians is never the answer!

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They won't explain--they just come back with odd, rude comments. This is a person with an advanced degree, so not someone who can't read and write. They simply won't tell me what their position is and I'm asking because I want to know and OTHERS have asked me to find out if this organization would be of help to them or not. I'm going to have to assume that since they can't answer simple questions, they are hiding something or are pro-genocide and would not be of help to others who are anti-genocide or Palestinians.

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True. In fact, their advanced degree might feed their ego so much they can't tolerate having to defend their position to someone who is "beneath them" intellectually. But if you really have to tear down another person because they're anti-genocide and pro-Palestinian... then you have the same morality and intellectual capabilities as a Klansman, IMO.

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Dr.Who's avatar

The more nervous they get, the more ridiculous the lies become. Like the excuses a child makes when he is in more trouble than he thought at first.

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Philip Mollica's avatar

And just how would Hamas surrender... really?

What does that mean and what would that look like?

"Hamas" leadership is in Qatar last I knew in their Israeli funded luxury.

When you don't treat civilians any different than the enemy, how would they even knew if they surrendered?

What -- the whole Gaza population "surrender" followed by the West Bank?

What the fuck are these people talking about?

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russian_bot's avatar

They talk gibberish, and on purpose. As the saying goes: if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

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Dr.Who's avatar

The Dazzlers died a long time ago, The Bafflers rule the west today.

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russian_bot's avatar

And the problem is they insist they are the actual dazzlers and the public is gullible enough to believe it.

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jamenta's avatar

Never thought outsourcing a genocide, and pretending you're not paying for it, would become a thing.

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BJ's avatar

Just like Ukraine - there wasn't a person with two living brain cells that didn't know they were no match for Russia - instead - there's at least four hundred dead soldiers and how many injured

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Robert Billyard's avatar

Western governments are playing their part as the stooges for globalists. This genocide is all about creating the greater Israel and pursuing greater control over the Middle East. It is no coincidence we have seen back to back atrocities in both Ukraine and Gaza. This is the globalist agenda on the march and Western leaders are the bag persons delivering the goods.

Read sociologist, Zygmunt Bauman, Globalization, The Human Consequences. He explains why all of this is happening. Governments no longer rule, the Globalists do, and they have impunity to do what they want.

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Do not equate Ukraine and apartheid Israel.Russia spent 20 years warning that joining Ukraine to NATO was a double red line. To have a military force dominated by the U.S. on its border with the aim of preventing Russia’s access to the Black Sea was an existential threat to its security. In 2021 just after the Russian special military operation had begun Zelensky was about to sign an agreement to remain neutral. The US and UK intervened immediately and insisted they go on fighting and the US would fully weaponise them. The US wanted to ‘weaken Russia’ using Ukraine military forces - not their own. We need to bear in mind the geopolitical context - after the US replaced an elected Ukraine leader with their own choice Kiev shelled the Russian speakers in the Donbas for a decade with the loss of 15 000 lives- that was when the “war” started.

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DomeLord's avatar

The megalomaniac globalists are executing their grand plan on Brzezinski's chess board. Wars and rumours of wars in places like Ukraine | Gaza | Iran | Taiwan | Russia's ex-Soviet underbelly | Venezuela | blah blah effing blah | as well as war horrors evidenced in festering sores like today's Libya, etc., etc., etc., are all linked & the Zionists are hoping no-one notices their fingerprints all over the smoking guns until it's too late.

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gypsy33's avatar

Well said, Lynne!

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Jeano's avatar

Excellent.

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David Carroll's avatar

Totally agree on Ukraine. We encourage it and Joe refused two peace offerings. Leave the apartheid BS for the international Elites at Harvard

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Feral Finster's avatar

Russia has bent over backwards to avoid civilian casualties, which Ukraine takes advantage of. For example, Ukraine moves troops and supplies using civilian train transport, since the Russians don't attack civilian trains.

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Both Russia and China have shown great forbearance in dealing with the West and NATO, because they don't want war and try to minimize the consequences. The West on the other hand is a ruthless killing machine with no regard for consequences. These are difficult times as our own civilization is self-immolating and cannibalizing its own populations.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Of course, the West and its puppets regard Russian or Chinese forbearance as contemptible weakness and proceed accordingly.

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russian_bot's avatar

Which agrees with the West's designation as a bully.

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BJ's avatar

I agree - this is all about the creation of "Greater Israel" the gas fields, the Ben Gurion Canal and if Israel succeeds (expands) and occupies 50% of the middle east - it would then be the owner of the world’s hydrocarbon resources. I believe this was all deliberate - the IDF stood down and then murdered it's own people under the false guise of Israel having the right to defend itself in order to start the war.

If this were not true - then why was all the evidence from the kibbutz and the concert destroyed? Why is all the footage of the security breach of the fences mysteriously missing? The Hannibal Directive was ordered to make sure there were no witnesses and the IDF soldiers who managed to survive will meet the same fate should they ever speak the truth. Hamas's orders were to capture as many soldiers and to NOT kill any civilians.

Israel needed an excuse - not only to start a war but also destroy the land (for the canal) - if this too were not true then why use an aerial assault rather than ground invasion? Clearly Israel had the upper hand when it came to their arsenal, military, manpower - technology etc.! Notice how the question has never been asked.

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I agree apart from the Ben Gurion Canal issue since that will be sitting on the back burner without any urgency as the Suez Canal will then be in the Zionist entity's bag once 'greater israel' is established. There will be adequate numbers of non-chosen™ cockroach slaves to dig it out for them if ever this route is needed in their depopulated world. With breakneck speed there will be an **ENORMOUS** US military base at the Suez Canal to enforce any fickle Zionist-benefiting rules of the day. Likewise there will be two other HUGE military bases to totally control the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea with an iron fist. The ultra important geopolitical advantage that this gives to the Zionists both in terms of international trade and fossil fuel resources will be used to place a deadly hold round the planet's neck & Zionist wet dreams will be realised in all their gory but like many other things they should leave fantasies like 'greater israel' in fantasyland...

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Fran's avatar

How does that differ from a neocon agenda, and Blinken and Nuland are one of those. Many neocons headed over to the side of the dems during the Trump years when he wanted to get along with Russia, and started no new wars. Turned them off.

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Neocons, neoliberals, oligarchs are all parties to the globalist agenda. Politicians, regardless of party, president, or prime minister are just along for the ride. Here in Canada our parties have been gutted by neoliberalism, as it is in the US. It has become very obvious in the last few years governments don't work for the people who elect them, but the corporate globalists that own them, bought and paid for.

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Fran's avatar

I agree.

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BJ's avatar

so very true & why I don't vote

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Thomas Scherrer's avatar

Always look to Cenk to say the exact dumbest thing for the side he purports to support.

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Gary's avatar

Consider the irony, apologists for Israeli genocide are featured MSM articles and lauded, apologists or even those questioning any aspects for the Holocaust in many countries are jailed. Are we seeing a little bit of a disconnect here?

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All we are saying is give peace a chance!

The USA has become ATM of foreign wars like Ukraine and Gaza: why?

Is it all a false flag operation to get the Gaza gasfield and the canal head-port from northern Gaza to the Red Sea? Time will tell their true intentions, though it's clear that saving the lives of the hostages isn't the priority at all !!!

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/all-we-are-saying-is-give-peace-a

Abortion teaches people that they can murder the innocent to get what they want. Do we want peace? stop abortion in Israel and Palestine!

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Israeli and a former Israeli studied footage from 10/7 and say that at least one Israeli was directing Hamas:

The 'Blue Shirts' of October 7 Some of the Hamas field Commanders on the day of the attack were NOT Palestinians or even Arabs & at least one was almost certainly Israeli!

MICHAEL GINSBURG

https://actionabletruth.substack.com/p/blue-shirts-october-7

(Michael Ginsburg is a former Israeli)

Israel's Second 9/11 https://thegoodcitizen.live/p/october-7-2023

https://geopoliticsandempire.com/2023/12/06/was-al-aqsa-flood-false-flag/

https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/the-october-7th-attacks-on-israel-were-allowed-to-happen-heres-why/

Israel's Oct 7 Footage Mysteriously Disappears

https://rumble.com/v3zvbre-israels-oct.-7-footage-mysteriously-disappears.html?mref=6zof&mrefc=4

Just Like 9/11? Suspicious Israeli Stock Market Activity Hints at Foreknowledge of October 7 Attack

https://www.mintpressnews.com/just-like-9-11-israeli-stock-market-trends-hint-at-foreknowledge-of-operation-al-aqsa-flood/286407/

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gypsy33's avatar

All the Amerikkkan anti-abortionists appear to have no qualms about murdering children who are ALREADY BORN in Gaza.

Apparently clumps of cells have more rights than actual children.

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gypsy33's avatar

Lol Che; I don’t give a fuck about “Christians”, as you well know 😉

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I know Che 😉

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Pat's avatar

this is so accurate my dammed representatives should read it. Exactly what needs to be said to them. and they are psychopaths!

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ikester8's avatar

Send them a copy. I did.

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Pat's avatar

We have written all everyday including wood head but good idea.

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David's avatar

An apology for Israeli genocide is an apology for US imperialism.

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Hamas is the battered wife who tries to murder her husband after many years of imprisonment and severe psychological and physical abuse. A court of law, that she previously appealed to, many times, may take her diminished responsibility into account when sentencing her.

Unfortunately the UN is the court of law and the husband's friend had the right to veto anyone attempt to stop the abuse.

The UN and ICJ should be recused for bias and failing to be able to stop massive breaches of IHL by Israel for many decades.

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Feral Finster's avatar

More like a rape victim than a wife.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Yes Israeli is more like the pimp who uses beatings and psychological torture to control a groomed and trafficked sex worker, and blames them when they step out of line.

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Keep These Articles Coming! Warmongering Mainstream Media Is Trying To Change The Narrative To Antisemitism & Rape! #GazaConcentrationCamp

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Actually they are trying to change the picture completely by saying China is now infiltrating the USA by the internet. I saw this on WAPO las night and I saw it for what it is. Propaganda taking people's minds of Israel.

Had a very bad night.

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When they reference no innocents in Gaza, well what they mean is, all Palestinians are animals, and it's called Yoav Gallant thinking which I hope explains their perspective. The little ones, the babies could really be thought of as vermin, which are animals, lice, etc, and means small, but harmful non the less. Hopefully everyone knows I am being facetious, and simply reiterating what Gallant said which informed you they were going to implement an extermination policy, no food, no water, no fuel for these animals. I can't see God coming down from heaven, and telling him he's got a point, but I can see the devil digging his way up and welcoming Gallant home, and asking where in hell is Netanyahu.

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Reminds me of some US soldier in the Indian Wars, ordering the shooting of Native American babies, saying, “Nits turn into lice”.

And if the Palestinians are “animals”, that’s certainly a step up from what the IsraHellis are: maggots, feasting on dead flesh.

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What we did in the past that was wrong never justifies what we do in the present.

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I think it would be better to recognize the abuses of the past, acknowledge them, and not repeat them. It's unfortunate that Biden with tag along neocons are now in charge, because nothing will be resolved in regard to what is going on in Israel. Biden has supported all wars during his reign, and of course the neocons grabbed 9/11 and used it to carry out all our middle eastern wars, including supporting the overthrow of a pro-Russian government in Ukraine under the Obama administration which ultimately lead to another war, since it was rather obvious even back then we were looking to push NATO to Russia's front door. Too bad we didn't try to get along with Russia, oh do you remember how angry they were at Trump for wanting to do that? Now hundreds of thousand of Ukrainians are dead, and now we're left with a forever whining Zelensky who wants more money and weapons.

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I take it you are a very short person.

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So why do you foolishly choose to remain one?

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Tippy's avatar

All the signs for a false flag event in the USA are here!

Goes with the Jewish pity party

It is unbelievable!

We will get you to hate Muslims, shit we will get you to just plain hate, it is demanded.

The open closed border shell game! Everyday stories, Terrorist are here setting up shop!

Everyday in local papers local news, they want to make you believe

Someone Jewish is punched in the face or pushed in front of a subway

Or knifed or sliced with a speed knife! box cutter(9’11)

Every day it is wack a Jew in the states!

It Is the picture they paint here in bluramerica!

While Oh Mary Isis is crossing the border!

This is what comes to mind.

“ Lady doth protest too much!”

In my life when situations are on a 24x7 news cycle!

When the coverage is one way!

My stomach gets this feeling my head hurts, I doth think the lady protest too much!

I believe silence tells a lot more! Sometimes!

But in a world where nothing is actually happening naturally,

Without premade devious plans. Seems we are back to death and taxes!

As a sure thing! May all your souls be filled with love!

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Daniel, you are the one with enough shit on your brain. Or you wouldn't be blind to the mass killings and a genocide happening around you. Take a good hard look at yourself. Be kind.

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Jeano's avatar

Thank you Indu. Your humanity is always so refreshing.

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gypsy33's avatar

Shove that stupid eyepatch down your throat and choke on it, fool.

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Jeano's avatar

Hahahahahaha. I think he’s trying to tell us he’s a parrot! Or else that a parrot shits on his shoulder!

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gypsy33's avatar

😂

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