"The United States and the globe-spanning empire structured around it have inflicted depravities upon our species".
Let's please not forget the "infliction of depravities" upon the many other species in the Biosphere. US society is a profligate waste of resources pouring human labor into implements of death — with accompanying destructive impacts on the Natural world.
So true my friend. I just read an article in Nature talking about the Billions of birds of various species missing from many parts of the u.s. : ( The article isn't specific on the cause other than to suggest, climate warmer, artificial agricultural chemicals, as well as the Colorado river at it's lowest level again which is nearing none hydropower production. We in IL. u.s. are now again in drought : ( I am planting a very long row of native wildflowers for the birds and insects in our area. I live in a typical suburban home my Son and I own. We never used lawn chemicals and enjoyed the varied plant life. Then neighbors realizing they didn't have a choice since we would not yield to the murder of wildlife for the painted looking landscape decided they would not spends hundreds and hundred of dollars contributing to the contamination of our small neighborhood water well.
My Son being a Microbiologist with two or three sentences explained what they were doing to themselves and to us. I ran several experiments in the lawn doing something I did when a won a Science Fair as a young person. I didn't mow a large 20'x 40' part of the lawn for the entire Spring, Summer, and Fall. It was amazing seeing the prairie return.
Birds, Butterflies, Dragonflies, Frogs, Toads, Rabbits, Squirrels, etc. return. The wildflowers were also there hidden in the artificial turf by a fool cutting the turf : (
I still have that lapel pin Biology first prize hahaha. My Ex-wife took it with her jewelry box and my wedding ring. She rang me up and asked if I wanted the ring, I said and you know me well enough now, NOPE keep the ring, I do however want he pin. I could almost hear the sound of disgust hahahha.
Great stories, my friend. Nature will always return to its diversity when the poisoned hands of imperialist capitalist greed are withdrawn. There are so many subtle and not-so-subtle ways in which our machinations impede the systemic marvels of the Biosphere. Your ex should have understood you better.
1) "Let's please not forget the 'infliction of depravities' upon the many other species in the Biosphere. "
See Abby Martin's Empire Files documentary "Earth's Greatest Enemy," "A look into the world's largest polluter—the US military."
2) Credit needs to be given where credit is due as to moral stature. Yemen, probably the poorest country on earth, nonetheless became the only country to take necessary, obligatory, UN-sanctioned military action against vessels carrying cargoes bound for genocidal Israel. Ships were sunk and damaged. Meanwhile, personnel serving with the US 6th Fleet - an example of what the richest country on earth spends its treasure on - consisting of two carrier task groups and based in Naples, were enjoying lattes and cappuccinos while on shore leave.
3) From the Library of Congress and the Academy of American Poets:
"'The New Colossus' is a sonnet written by Emma Lazarus in 1883... created to help raise funds for the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty." Famously including the line "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free," "[t]he poem has since become a defining statement of American values regarding immigration and freedom."
The “where you’d rather live” argument also completely ignores the fact that so much of the “peace and prosperity” people have enjoyed in the west for decades depends on the looting and subjugation of other nations. In this regard, China played the US brilliantly at its own game. West thought it was using China to produce consumer goods that they could buy cheap and sell expensive. China sacrificed some pawns to lure them into complacency. The game is already over
That comment perfectly illustrates the deadly hubris of the west. China’s public infrastructure vastly outstrips that of the crumbling “imperial capital”. Just compare a train journey from Washington to New York with one from Beijing to Shanghai.
Interesting thought. I think the Chinese are far smarter than that. Money is a tool and how you use that tool builds a sustainable future. We shall see as we in the u.s. destroy ourselves at a faster rate then the pretend enemies do : (
Yes, I am not debating that. I will debate the timeline. China is thinking so much further ahead. Iran as you say will be interesting to see how China and Russia both respond knowing their futures are tied to Iran more so now than ever. We will continue our debate my friend. I wish our friend Gypsy was here to bring more fire. She would re-heat my coffee : ) If you see her tell her I love her.
So few in the u.s. understand that. We are building a Neutrino experiment using a Liquid Argon Time Projection Chamber the largest yet built in the u.s. DUNE Deep Underground Neutrino Exp. I am not on that experiment however I was on a very small version that demonstrated with 99.9999% pure Argon you could see Neutrino tracks looking for the flavor change. The Chinese starting 3 years late, have taken data last July with an added Anti-Neutrino source from adjacent nuclear reactors. We are still 4 years away from turning the exp. on with limited funding. We certainly were played by the Duopoly.
Iran is infinitely morally superior to US and Israel, which are on par and at the bottom of the scale.
Only USrael bombs hospitals and schools. Iran has not bombed any school or hospital and it will never do it, as it is profoundly contrary to Islamic law (sharia).
Correct. It is *now* known that Mr Trump ordered preemptive attacks on Iranian targets because he was convinced Israel would attack *prior* to US actions. He allegedly believed this would reduce Iranian retaliation against US military bases in the region. WTF? Obviously, Mr Trump (and his administration) are in well over their heads.
Netanyahu is laughing at Mr Trump for being so stupid as to preempt an Israeli inspired war.
U.S and Iran were going to have this war from like 45 years ago, God Idk what makes people think they were going to expose epstein files anyway . It's so stupid
Geopolitics doesn’t revolve around the Epstein files. Beside Those files were so messed up that it wouldn’t have made any difference whether people were distracted or not and whether they were going to push even further or not , those files were never going to be released to the public anyway.
Epstein and geopolitics are very intertwined, true geopolitics is huge, but the Epstein class played in the very upper layers of the geopolitical field.
Starting with Iran-contra affair.
Let that sink in.
The very Iran conflict is an Epstein related issue. And all the Israelian bootlickers are part of it.
The Epstein tar-baby will haunt Mr Trump till his dying day... He's squirming like a worm and knows the whole world is watching... What a piece of shit.
“Iran is morally superior to the Enture Western World”’ . …..
In what ways? Do you think it’s ok to criticize Mohammed, or to be jailed for not wearing a hijab, burka or whatever else women are obliged to west, or else?
Do you know what apostasy means? Are you free to criticize Mohammed in Iran, or is that the morality you prefer?
Are you out of your mind? The western world is ruled by the Epstein Class, child raping and murdering pedophiles and you're concerned about criticizing Mohammed. Talk about low IQ coping. Creatures like you put humanity to share, you must be a Zionist.
“Are you going to answer my questions as to what you deem as morally superior? Or just rattle on about me being out of my mind ? You say I have a low IQ… granted.. I agree, but isn’t the bunch of high IQ know-it-alls who gave us the wonderful gift of nuclear bombs?
I’m not so sure high IQs are the cats meows of a bright future… do you??
Sounds like you are having some coping issues dealing with the realization that the Epstein Class, i.e., mass murdering pedophiles, rule the western world.
Now here is the kicker, do you live in Iran or the USA (any western country)? If you live in Iran then sure, trash talk their government. If you live in the USA, or any other western nation, keep your mouth shut until you deal with our pedophile ruling class.
I'm Iranian and I have lived there for the past 18 years . I lost one of my friends (her name was tania abbasi , go search her up ) , they killed her when she was only in the street not even yelling anything. So when I see some dude on the Internet defending a government that killed one of my loved one , take a guess on how that is going to feel .
If there anyone who should keep their mouth shut about a country they have never lived in is you .
I’m not sure if you were writing to me, John turcot, or to Chycho, as I’m not sure of the format.
Nevertheless, my point was that the morality of either side is as flawed as it gets. Moreover that the morality squads of Iran have murdered thousands of women in their history for not wearing hijabs or whatever they are called.
In this situation, morality is in the eye of beholders, and there certainly anything moral to brag about from either side… that both suck… otherwise, I think I agree with you.
this indeed seems only half a comment. prefer to what other morality? like, 'i prefer the killing of 165 seven to twelve year old girls to being jailed for not wearing a hijab', idk?
According to Amnesty international and Wikipedia, thousands of women have been murdered by Iranian authorities for not adhering to Iranian morality laws…
Furthermore, to insinuate that someone “prefers” the
Murder of 165 young girls as opposed to not wearing a hijab is a poor choice for achieving a mutual understanding of this discussion…. Kinda lame actually…
Yeah, it's strange. The US propaganda is some variation around the theme "we are the good guys and fight the bad guys" ie play the morality card that is indeed quite effective. But on every conceivable objective criterion, China, Russia and Iran are more ethical than the US. That's blindly obvious in foreign policy: just count and compare the number of people killed, countries destroyed or invaded or bombed, governments overthrown, sanctions implemented that hurt populations. But it is also true in domestic policy: just compare how the bottom 50% of Americans have fared in the last decades, compared to the population of China, Russia (despite the sanctions), Iran (despite the sanctions). Even Europe's vassal governments care much better for their population than the US's.
It used to. Many years ago I was shocked to read in Der Spiegel an interview with a Saudi government representative who plainly said, "Only a fool would trust the US". After the betrayal of Gorbachev, the Kurds, and the Afghans; the unilateral withdrawal from numerous treaties; the destruction of Nord Stream; the support for the genocide in Gaza; and, in particular, the abandonment of all pretence under Trump, it is clear to everyone that the US is completely untrustworthy. I suppose governments around the world are only worrying about how to survive the US's accelerating decline with minimal damage to their own countries.
They are keeping their distance from USD denominated paper, they are arming, they apply to join the BRICS. And, I fear, after seeing what happened to Libya and now Iran, more and more will be thinking of acquiring nuclear weapons.
Regarding Saudi investment, I think they must somehow recycle their mountain of petrodollars, and they are purchasing geopolitical insurance from an increasingly irrational US while also acquiring technology that they can use for development. Regarding your second point about Saudi Arabia joining the US and Israel in their war against Iran, I don't believe it is true now or will be true tomorrow - they are not idiots. I could be wrong though, we shall have to wait and see.
That said, this simply reflects their relative power. Were Iran (or anyone else) as powerful as the United States, they would behave accordingly..Israel shows what humans with de facto unlimited rights and zero responsibilities act like.
I think that depends. While it might be true, and I have to give credence to the absolute power/corrupts quotation, I’d like to think there is the potential for a mindset reset along the relative power spectrum, even at the extreme, that would choose cooperation over extinction.
But that could be my inner John Lennon imagining things.
Great point. If the u.s. had not empowered israel would they have remained a peaceful group living with a multicultural society? Sounds like another thesis topic for you : )
They, with their enablers Great Britain and then the US, were from the beginning of the creation of their country, intent on eliminating all non-jews from the territory that they stole and decided was theirs. So they were never a peaceful group to start with.
That's a typical argument of a criminal mindset, but simply is not true. Not everyone would kill, loot or steal if given the chance, but those who do rise to the top and declare themselves victors.
"Were Iran as powerful, they would behave the same way". It implies that anyone with power to do evil will do it. Respectfully disagree, but it's definitely what people in the western power structure think which is why they are so terrified of anyone being independent and strong. It's pure projection
No, it says that power attracts sociopaths. The history of the medieval Catholic Church is most instructive in this regard, and this an institution that traces its foundation to Jesus Christ Himself.
True, but not everyone wants that type of power. Just because I am strong enough to bully someone, does not mean I will do it (but yes, it also means I will not be at the top of the power structure)
this is the projection with which imperialists put their conscience to sleep, imo. this is indeed why the empire keeps provoking the other side to become violent.
i think the empire is pretty pissed that russia hasn't used a tactical nuke yet or that china hasn't attacked taiwan yet. they really need the self-fulfilling prophecy to fulfill (or at least totally control the perception of it).
yes, they will continue provoking until russia uses a tactical nuke and until china attacks taiwan, or until both yield and submit. but ideally they hope for a reaction to justify things post hoc. imo, they still lie too much to totally not care at all. but they've got a good chance of getting there.
It is not necessarily true that Iran would behave like the US and Israel if they were equally powerful. It seems that the Judeo-Christian capitalists are happily continuing the world domination doctrine that they believe in.
We have always been a terrorist nation... the most prolifically evil...on earth. Since 1948, when the US plunked down the fake state of Israel into the Middle East, the blood-terror bond was sealed: USRAYHELL... the US, the vassal. I marvel at the dignity of China. Dont bother tsk tsking me about Chinese "repression."
And just wait, the clowns will start belly aching about Taiwan. Because ONLY USRAYHELL has the right to exist... We are a Nazi state....an empire in collapse 🤞🤞🤞.
UN played a part, too....but I figure the US was highly involved...if a nefarious, calculating, hegemonic venture is in the making....we'll be in the mix.
The US definitely played a huge part because they wanted an ally (lap dog) in the Middle East, instead they got a rival that became the leader in the ME, one that made non-stop demands through their lobbyists, not forgetting the big money jews who expected huge "favours" for their bribes/blackmail.
Right on JennyStokes. The British empire simply shifted financial powers to the United Nations as World Bank systems, Bank(s) for International Settlement, International Monetary Fund, etc. These "policy" ploys set up fiat monopoly States such as Israel.
This war is about fundamentally conflicting worldviews. Iran is around today because its governing ethos is in harmony with its collective values.
Iran is an Islamic Republic because that reflects the truth of its core norms and values, and HUMILITY is among them. They are an industrious and fair minded nation that is concerned with surviving the challenges of the external world, and don’t believe that they can do so through dissembling and deception. Those are dishonorable motives that only bring pain.
This is a historic moment that millions of people in the West are missing, because they are too attached to faux values.
The can-do confidence of the brash, white man is a facade behind which a lonely, imposing hollowness resides. Trump’s refusal to ever acknowledge mistakes or ever display sincere regret for anything is a mirror for the CEO’s and their sycophantic followers and admirers. The leaders of the Christian faith have been exposed as vacant charlatans who go along with criminality to enjoy recognition and status.
Death is a part of life, and losing is an experience that nobody escapes. Westerners know this, but choose pretense because it serves the crooked system that yields their bounty.
When norms and values are shirked and mocked, nihilism replaces humility and conflict becomes inevitable.
There's no other group of humans who built their entire power structure on the full and complete exploitation of other humans. Who did Americans have to be to sustain a 400 year crime against humanity? What kind of humans are the kinds of people who could perpetrate this kind of atrocity? And to this day they maintain the righteousness of their approach to human life. Over centuries they have spread their social disease. This is all of our problem.
Predatory, casino, exploitative, extractive, murderous, voracious, violent, immoral, rigged ... Capitalism run amok. Hope some day - before human extinction extinction....that it goes down down down.
“No one else comes anywhere remotely close. Not Iran. Not anybody. Every government in the world is morally superior to the most evil government, and the most evil government is the United States.”
I believe that the Israeli Zionist terrorist state come very close to it.
I'm born and raised in the United States and I despise not only the current government, but every government since 1945. I read international news, not American propaganda. Remember that Adolf Hitler made it illegal for German citizens to listen to the BBC or any media from outside Germany. The United States is the same. Even educated U.S. people are largely ignorant of the rest of the world. Caitlin has every right to condemn the U.S. because the U.S. has put all Australians in danger by controlling its military and government. Israel, of course, is a product not of Judaism, but of Zionism, which is a totally fake cult sponsored by Jewish atheists with lots of money (some of it originally from the Third Reich itself) to get rid of Jews in Germany. An evil project all round.
"Iran is better than the United States. The United States is worse than Iran."
I'd go a little further and say that right now, in its struggle with Zio Imperialism, Iran is fighting for humanity, whether humanity knows that yet or not.
My only quibble is that there maybe is a country which is "even close"--Israel. And unlike in the US, Israel's citizenry is solidly in support of its crimes. The whole argument is a bit fuzzy, because what do we mean by a country? Certainly not the territory marked on a map. But here, also not the people living therein--rather, we're talking about the governments controlling the country. The problem is that the people chosen to lead are mostly sociopaths willing to do depraved things for power and money--and no, these people are not chosen by the voters, much of anywhere--they're chosen by those who fund the campaigns.
If you had talked to Germans in the 1938 - 1942 timeframe they would have said something similar. There was full employment. The economy was better than ever. Yes, there was a war, but Germany was winning. Yes, there were stories about the secret police and camps, but they only dealt with communists, terrorists and subversive elements. Absolutely nothing to worry about until the military falters. Until Stalingrad. It is likely to be much the same for the American empire. Until someone can start shooting down stealth bombers and sinking aircraft carriers there is only one way for the stock market to go - up!
"The United States and the globe-spanning empire structured around it have inflicted depravities upon our species".
Let's please not forget the "infliction of depravities" upon the many other species in the Biosphere. US society is a profligate waste of resources pouring human labor into implements of death — with accompanying destructive impacts on the Natural world.
So true my friend. I just read an article in Nature talking about the Billions of birds of various species missing from many parts of the u.s. : ( The article isn't specific on the cause other than to suggest, climate warmer, artificial agricultural chemicals, as well as the Colorado river at it's lowest level again which is nearing none hydropower production. We in IL. u.s. are now again in drought : ( I am planting a very long row of native wildflowers for the birds and insects in our area. I live in a typical suburban home my Son and I own. We never used lawn chemicals and enjoyed the varied plant life. Then neighbors realizing they didn't have a choice since we would not yield to the murder of wildlife for the painted looking landscape decided they would not spends hundreds and hundred of dollars contributing to the contamination of our small neighborhood water well.
My Son being a Microbiologist with two or three sentences explained what they were doing to themselves and to us. I ran several experiments in the lawn doing something I did when a won a Science Fair as a young person. I didn't mow a large 20'x 40' part of the lawn for the entire Spring, Summer, and Fall. It was amazing seeing the prairie return.
Birds, Butterflies, Dragonflies, Frogs, Toads, Rabbits, Squirrels, etc. return. The wildflowers were also there hidden in the artificial turf by a fool cutting the turf : (
I still have that lapel pin Biology first prize hahaha. My Ex-wife took it with her jewelry box and my wedding ring. She rang me up and asked if I wanted the ring, I said and you know me well enough now, NOPE keep the ring, I do however want he pin. I could almost hear the sound of disgust hahahha.
Sorry about the ramblings.
Great stories, my friend. Nature will always return to its diversity when the poisoned hands of imperialist capitalist greed are withdrawn. There are so many subtle and not-so-subtle ways in which our machinations impede the systemic marvels of the Biosphere. Your ex should have understood you better.
Nature wins - Nature bats last.
1) "Let's please not forget the 'infliction of depravities' upon the many other species in the Biosphere. "
See Abby Martin's Empire Files documentary "Earth's Greatest Enemy," "A look into the world's largest polluter—the US military."
2) Credit needs to be given where credit is due as to moral stature. Yemen, probably the poorest country on earth, nonetheless became the only country to take necessary, obligatory, UN-sanctioned military action against vessels carrying cargoes bound for genocidal Israel. Ships were sunk and damaged. Meanwhile, personnel serving with the US 6th Fleet - an example of what the richest country on earth spends its treasure on - consisting of two carrier task groups and based in Naples, were enjoying lattes and cappuccinos while on shore leave.
3) From the Library of Congress and the Academy of American Poets:
"'The New Colossus' is a sonnet written by Emma Lazarus in 1883... created to help raise funds for the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty." Famously including the line "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free," "[t]he poem has since become a defining statement of American values regarding immigration and freedom."
Well that ship has long since sailed.
Yes, Abby's doc is a great source, thanks for the reminder.
Yemenis are incredibly brave people. Deep respect. No lattés there!
My parents are [were] Italian immigrants; I'm a very old first-generation American, who is painfully aware that that ship done sailed long ago.
Vin,
We’re all immigrants…. Maybe aborigines aren’t if you bend the word a little, but even the natives came from somewhere, and immigrated.
True, John. I'm just sharing my particular deep experience of all this.
The “where you’d rather live” argument also completely ignores the fact that so much of the “peace and prosperity” people have enjoyed in the west for decades depends on the looting and subjugation of other nations. In this regard, China played the US brilliantly at its own game. West thought it was using China to produce consumer goods that they could buy cheap and sell expensive. China sacrificed some pawns to lure them into complacency. The game is already over
“The sticks” 😂
That comment perfectly illustrates the deadly hubris of the west. China’s public infrastructure vastly outstrips that of the crumbling “imperial capital”. Just compare a train journey from Washington to New York with one from Beijing to Shanghai.
The USA is so hopelessly corrupt.
Soon the Clinton foundation will tax you to help you
.
You will pay $1000 a month to receive $100
$900 Is Clinton fee, for travelling, and transport of your children to a virgin Island
Once they lost their virginity they will be dropped of at whoever offers most.
Of course. The imperial capital is always more prosperous than the sticks.
Anyway, China simply wants to make money and hopes that the Americans will turn on them last.
Interesting thought. I think the Chinese are far smarter than that. Money is a tool and how you use that tool builds a sustainable future. We shall see as we in the u.s. destroy ourselves at a faster rate then the pretend enemies do : (
I see no evidence of this, as the Americans pick off China's friends one by one and isolate China from inputs.
Yes, I am not debating that. I will debate the timeline. China is thinking so much further ahead. Iran as you say will be interesting to see how China and Russia both respond knowing their futures are tied to Iran more so now than ever. We will continue our debate my friend. I wish our friend Gypsy was here to bring more fire. She would re-heat my coffee : ) If you see her tell her I love her.
Seems to be assuming facts not in evidence.
As I say time will only tell : )
“Money is a tool that can build a Sustainable future” ??? Mmmm?? It’s the word “Sustaible” that doesn’t quite fit…
So few in the u.s. understand that. We are building a Neutrino experiment using a Liquid Argon Time Projection Chamber the largest yet built in the u.s. DUNE Deep Underground Neutrino Exp. I am not on that experiment however I was on a very small version that demonstrated with 99.9999% pure Argon you could see Neutrino tracks looking for the flavor change. The Chinese starting 3 years late, have taken data last July with an added Anti-Neutrino source from adjacent nuclear reactors. We are still 4 years away from turning the exp. on with limited funding. We certainly were played by the Duopoly.
there's already a lot of imperial projection in the assumption that 'china plays games' or 'plays' the us or some other country.
Iran is infinitely morally superior to US and Israel, which are on par and at the bottom of the scale.
Only USrael bombs hospitals and schools. Iran has not bombed any school or hospital and it will never do it, as it is profoundly contrary to Islamic law (sharia).
Correct. It is *now* known that Mr Trump ordered preemptive attacks on Iranian targets because he was convinced Israel would attack *prior* to US actions. He allegedly believed this would reduce Iranian retaliation against US military bases in the region. WTF? Obviously, Mr Trump (and his administration) are in well over their heads.
Netanyahu is laughing at Mr Trump for being so stupid as to preempt an Israeli inspired war.
Trumps last straw to divert and distract from THE EPSTEIN PROBLEM.
EXPOSE EPSTEIN
U.S and Iran were going to have this war from like 45 years ago, God Idk what makes people think they were going to expose epstein files anyway . It's so stupid
The way Trump started this is stupid. BUT IT WORKED, 90% of the epstein diggers now jumped on the advertisement bandwagon of Iran writings.
I don’t think you understood what I meant.
Also That’s a huge assumption.
Geopolitics doesn’t revolve around the Epstein files. Beside Those files were so messed up that it wouldn’t have made any difference whether people were distracted or not and whether they were going to push even further or not , those files were never going to be released to the public anyway.
Hope that helps
Epstein and geopolitics are very intertwined, true geopolitics is huge, but the Epstein class played in the very upper layers of the geopolitical field.
Starting with Iran-contra affair.
Let that sink in.
The very Iran conflict is an Epstein related issue. And all the Israelian bootlickers are part of it.
The Epstein tar-baby will haunt Mr Trump till his dying day... He's squirming like a worm and knows the whole world is watching... What a piece of shit.
He will see his friends go away. And they will talk..
Iran Is Morally Superior To The Entire Western World.
So is Russia.
100.
That's quite a bait comment.
“Iran is morally superior to the Enture Western World”’ . …..
In what ways? Do you think it’s ok to criticize Mohammed, or to be jailed for not wearing a hijab, burka or whatever else women are obliged to west, or else?
Do you know what apostasy means? Are you free to criticize Mohammed in Iran, or is that the morality you prefer?
Are you out of your mind? The western world is ruled by the Epstein Class, child raping and murdering pedophiles and you're concerned about criticizing Mohammed. Talk about low IQ coping. Creatures like you put humanity to share, you must be a Zionist.
Chichi,
“Are you going to answer my questions as to what you deem as morally superior? Or just rattle on about me being out of my mind ? You say I have a low IQ… granted.. I agree, but isn’t the bunch of high IQ know-it-alls who gave us the wonderful gift of nuclear bombs?
I’m not so sure high IQs are the cats meows of a bright future… do you??
“Morally superior “ my ass.
One more thing csycho…
Two wrongs don’t make a right.. While the West is all bad according to you, doesn’t make the other side all good…
So does Iran???
Are you kidding me?
The only difference is that they completely legalised it in that god damn country , they don't need to do it in some island .
Sounds like you are having some coping issues dealing with the realization that the Epstein Class, i.e., mass murdering pedophiles, rule the western world.
Now here is the kicker, do you live in Iran or the USA (any western country)? If you live in Iran then sure, trash talk their government. If you live in the USA, or any other western nation, keep your mouth shut until you deal with our pedophile ruling class.
Aside from that, you should go seek therapy.
I'm Iranian and I have lived there for the past 18 years . I lost one of my friends (her name was tania abbasi , go search her up ) , they killed her when she was only in the street not even yelling anything. So when I see some dude on the Internet defending a government that killed one of my loved one , take a guess on how that is going to feel .
If there anyone who should keep their mouth shut about a country they have never lived in is you .
Oh, I call BS on you. No way you are in Iran right now and defending Zionist Israel and the Epstein Classes bombing on your people. Pathetic.
Mohammed is a clown, but that doesnt make the morality of the USA improve one bit.
Moebius,
I’m not sure if you were writing to me, John turcot, or to Chycho, as I’m not sure of the format.
Nevertheless, my point was that the morality of either side is as flawed as it gets. Moreover that the morality squads of Iran have murdered thousands of women in their history for not wearing hijabs or whatever they are called.
In this situation, morality is in the eye of beholders, and there certainly anything moral to brag about from either side… that both suck… otherwise, I think I agree with you.
Hmm was meant for Chycho.
Yeah i agree, but we must keep things light and make fun of the clowns on both sides.
I have nothing against muslims either. I just cant bare bullshit.
How on earth do we turn this around?
Couldn’t agree more on trying to keep it light, but finding humour with these nitwits is hard to imagine or even possible…
True, but there is also brutally honest in your face humor, George Carlin style.
Well Caitlin is also a genius :-)
And im Dutch. Here it is common practice. We are so used to it that we fail to laugh...
this indeed seems only half a comment. prefer to what other morality? like, 'i prefer the killing of 165 seven to twelve year old girls to being jailed for not wearing a hijab', idk?
According to Amnesty international and Wikipedia, thousands of women have been murdered by Iranian authorities for not adhering to Iranian morality laws…
Furthermore, to insinuate that someone “prefers” the
Murder of 165 young girls as opposed to not wearing a hijab is a poor choice for achieving a mutual understanding of this discussion…. Kinda lame actually…
Martin, please elaborate further as I don’t quite understand your point?
i was just wondering what you were weighing against each other. in the article they also weigh things against each other.
I didn’t read the article but just responding to the title. Nothing more.
yeah, some people do that.
True, but it doesn't matter, as Iran will be dismembered.
I say not. We'll see.
I'll sign on to this prediction.
Morally, humm. Certainly not subordinate.
Yeah, it's strange. The US propaganda is some variation around the theme "we are the good guys and fight the bad guys" ie play the morality card that is indeed quite effective. But on every conceivable objective criterion, China, Russia and Iran are more ethical than the US. That's blindly obvious in foreign policy: just count and compare the number of people killed, countries destroyed or invaded or bombed, governments overthrown, sanctions implemented that hurt populations. But it is also true in domestic policy: just compare how the bottom 50% of Americans have fared in the last decades, compared to the population of China, Russia (despite the sanctions), Iran (despite the sanctions). Even Europe's vassal governments care much better for their population than the US's.
Europe's vassal governments are now beginning to sacrifice their populations' well being and safety for a misguided blind hatred toward Russia.
The United States has soft power, the ability to get its narratives accepted, and it uses it.
It used to. Many years ago I was shocked to read in Der Spiegel an interview with a Saudi government representative who plainly said, "Only a fool would trust the US". After the betrayal of Gorbachev, the Kurds, and the Afghans; the unilateral withdrawal from numerous treaties; the destruction of Nord Stream; the support for the genocide in Gaza; and, in particular, the abandonment of all pretence under Trump, it is clear to everyone that the US is completely untrustworthy. I suppose governments around the world are only worrying about how to survive the US's accelerating decline with minimal damage to their own countries.
Ignore what they say. Watch what they do.
They are keeping their distance from USD denominated paper, they are arming, they apply to join the BRICS. And, I fear, after seeing what happened to Libya and now Iran, more and more will be thinking of acquiring nuclear weapons.
The Saudis that keep investing more and more in the US? The Saudis that are joining in on the war on Iran?
Stop kidding yourself.
Regarding Saudi investment, I think they must somehow recycle their mountain of petrodollars, and they are purchasing geopolitical insurance from an increasingly irrational US while also acquiring technology that they can use for development. Regarding your second point about Saudi Arabia joining the US and Israel in their war against Iran, I don't believe it is true now or will be true tomorrow - they are not idiots. I could be wrong though, we shall have to wait and see.
This is not a high bar.
That said, this simply reflects their relative power. Were Iran (or anyone else) as powerful as the United States, they would behave accordingly..Israel shows what humans with de facto unlimited rights and zero responsibilities act like.
I think that depends. While it might be true, and I have to give credence to the absolute power/corrupts quotation, I’d like to think there is the potential for a mindset reset along the relative power spectrum, even at the extreme, that would choose cooperation over extinction.
But that could be my inner John Lennon imagining things.
Power attracts the corrupt.
Leave out unguarded a few bricks of pure uncut pharmaceutical grade cocaine. Normies won't touch it. Addicts and dealers, on the other hand....
I’m just a rat in Hari’s cocaine-available rat park.
Who knows?
I used to think what you said here was true, too. Not anymore.
Great point. If the u.s. had not empowered israel would they have remained a peaceful group living with a multicultural society? Sounds like another thesis topic for you : )
Well, there probably wouldn't be an "Israel" the way it is today. Israel acts the way they do because they can.
They, with their enablers Great Britain and then the US, were from the beginning of the creation of their country, intent on eliminating all non-jews from the territory that they stole and decided was theirs. So they were never a peaceful group to start with.
That's a typical argument of a criminal mindset, but simply is not true. Not everyone would kill, loot or steal if given the chance, but those who do rise to the top and declare themselves victors.
I didn't say everyone has a criminal mindset.
Quite the opposite.
"Were Iran as powerful, they would behave the same way". It implies that anyone with power to do evil will do it. Respectfully disagree, but it's definitely what people in the western power structure think which is why they are so terrified of anyone being independent and strong. It's pure projection
No, it says that power attracts sociopaths. The history of the medieval Catholic Church is most instructive in this regard, and this an institution that traces its foundation to Jesus Christ Himself.
True, but not everyone wants that type of power. Just because I am strong enough to bully someone, does not mean I will do it (but yes, it also means I will not be at the top of the power structure)
I keep saying that - most humans don't want that power. Those that do are precisely the ones who will do whatever it takes to get it.
Which is why power inevitably ends up int he hands of sociopaths.
this is the projection with which imperialists put their conscience to sleep, imo. this is indeed why the empire keeps provoking the other side to become violent.
I doubt that the imperialists have any conscience to salve. And I am not sure how the second part of your phrase follows.
As seen in this war, the United States was going to attack, no matter what Iran did.
i think the empire is pretty pissed that russia hasn't used a tactical nuke yet or that china hasn't attacked taiwan yet. they really need the self-fulfilling prophecy to fulfill (or at least totally control the perception of it).
It doesn't matter. They'll just keep doing what they do regardless.
yes, they will continue provoking until russia uses a tactical nuke and until china attacks taiwan, or until both yield and submit. but ideally they hope for a reaction to justify things post hoc. imo, they still lie too much to totally not care at all. but they've got a good chance of getting there.
It is not necessarily true that Iran would behave like the US and Israel if they were equally powerful. It seems that the Judeo-Christian capitalists are happily continuing the world domination doctrine that they believe in.
Why? AFAICT, humans are the same everywhere.
I support Iran. Cancel Israel and its Zionist suporters. Have the Synagogues in Iran been bombed by Israel yet? Wage Peace.
We have always been a terrorist nation... the most prolifically evil...on earth. Since 1948, when the US plunked down the fake state of Israel into the Middle East, the blood-terror bond was sealed: USRAYHELL... the US, the vassal. I marvel at the dignity of China. Dont bother tsk tsking me about Chinese "repression."
And just wait, the clowns will start belly aching about Taiwan. Because ONLY USRAYHELL has the right to exist... We are a Nazi state....an empire in collapse 🤞🤞🤞.
The evil British made Israel a State.
It's funny the only Jewish person on the Balfour signed document voted no Edwin Montague. He said, why should I leave when my life is here. Crickets
UN played a part, too....but I figure the US was highly involved...if a nefarious, calculating, hegemonic venture is in the making....we'll be in the mix.
There was no UN in 1917.
There was no state of Israel until after WWII.
We were referring to the 1917 Balfour Declaration.
I wasn't referring to 1917.
The US definitely played a huge part because they wanted an ally (lap dog) in the Middle East, instead they got a rival that became the leader in the ME, one that made non-stop demands through their lobbyists, not forgetting the big money jews who expected huge "favours" for their bribes/blackmail.
For evil racist reasons : (
Right on JennyStokes. The British empire simply shifted financial powers to the United Nations as World Bank systems, Bank(s) for International Settlement, International Monetary Fund, etc. These "policy" ploys set up fiat monopoly States such as Israel.
The empire is not collapsing.
Far from it.
😒
....a girl can dream. Have you listened to any of Richard Wolff's podcasts? I am getting educated...
This war is about fundamentally conflicting worldviews. Iran is around today because its governing ethos is in harmony with its collective values.
Iran is an Islamic Republic because that reflects the truth of its core norms and values, and HUMILITY is among them. They are an industrious and fair minded nation that is concerned with surviving the challenges of the external world, and don’t believe that they can do so through dissembling and deception. Those are dishonorable motives that only bring pain.
This is a historic moment that millions of people in the West are missing, because they are too attached to faux values.
The can-do confidence of the brash, white man is a facade behind which a lonely, imposing hollowness resides. Trump’s refusal to ever acknowledge mistakes or ever display sincere regret for anything is a mirror for the CEO’s and their sycophantic followers and admirers. The leaders of the Christian faith have been exposed as vacant charlatans who go along with criminality to enjoy recognition and status.
Death is a part of life, and losing is an experience that nobody escapes. Westerners know this, but choose pretense because it serves the crooked system that yields their bounty.
When norms and values are shirked and mocked, nihilism replaces humility and conflict becomes inevitable.
This is where we are.
You're right. Great insight.
'Iran is morally superior to the United States.'
These days, that's not saying much.
There's no other group of humans who built their entire power structure on the full and complete exploitation of other humans. Who did Americans have to be to sustain a 400 year crime against humanity? What kind of humans are the kinds of people who could perpetrate this kind of atrocity? And to this day they maintain the righteousness of their approach to human life. Over centuries they have spread their social disease. This is all of our problem.
Because they can.
Predatory, casino, exploitative, extractive, murderous, voracious, violent, immoral, rigged ... Capitalism run amok. Hope some day - before human extinction extinction....that it goes down down down.
It’s a very low bar.
“No one else comes anywhere remotely close. Not Iran. Not anybody. Every government in the world is morally superior to the most evil government, and the most evil government is the United States.”
I believe that the Israeli Zionist terrorist state come very close to it.
I'm born and raised in the United States and I despise not only the current government, but every government since 1945. I read international news, not American propaganda. Remember that Adolf Hitler made it illegal for German citizens to listen to the BBC or any media from outside Germany. The United States is the same. Even educated U.S. people are largely ignorant of the rest of the world. Caitlin has every right to condemn the U.S. because the U.S. has put all Australians in danger by controlling its military and government. Israel, of course, is a product not of Judaism, but of Zionism, which is a totally fake cult sponsored by Jewish atheists with lots of money (some of it originally from the Third Reich itself) to get rid of Jews in Germany. An evil project all round.
"Iran is better than the United States. The United States is worse than Iran."
I'd go a little further and say that right now, in its struggle with Zio Imperialism, Iran is fighting for humanity, whether humanity knows that yet or not.
My only quibble is that there maybe is a country which is "even close"--Israel. And unlike in the US, Israel's citizenry is solidly in support of its crimes. The whole argument is a bit fuzzy, because what do we mean by a country? Certainly not the territory marked on a map. But here, also not the people living therein--rather, we're talking about the governments controlling the country. The problem is that the people chosen to lead are mostly sociopaths willing to do depraved things for power and money--and no, these people are not chosen by the voters, much of anywhere--they're chosen by those who fund the campaigns.
If you had talked to Germans in the 1938 - 1942 timeframe they would have said something similar. There was full employment. The economy was better than ever. Yes, there was a war, but Germany was winning. Yes, there were stories about the secret police and camps, but they only dealt with communists, terrorists and subversive elements. Absolutely nothing to worry about until the military falters. Until Stalingrad. It is likely to be much the same for the American empire. Until someone can start shooting down stealth bombers and sinking aircraft carriers there is only one way for the stock market to go - up!
A great deal of truth to that. The difference is that this time around, there is no real opposition.
Russia desperately wants to be allowed to join The Club. China just wants to sell stuff and hopes that the Americans will turn on them last.