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Feral Finster's avatar

Because the protests derail the goals of Empire, while the genocide is in furtherance of Empire.

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George Cornell's avatar

Yup. The obscene status quo is met with a shrug. “Distopia”? Datopia? Who cares, right?

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Fran's avatar

No quotes. Spare me the English lecture, absurd considering the content of this speech, which says a whole lot about you.

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David Avenell's avatar

Fran you really should use quotation marks and perhaps a colon to introduce a quote, because without the correct punctuation that reads as though it's your opinion.

It is in fact, a perfect illustration of the insanity and moral perversion that Caitlin describes above.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I think it is about time Fran started asking questions rather than extrapolating her point of view.

I love people asking questions.

Why?

Because all people in different countries have a different POV.

I hate the fact that I am living in a country (France) that is 'tied to the hip' of the USA

In my opinion we should be supporting Russia.

Russia reigns supreme by NOT getting involved in the USA/Ukraine war.

They have asked many times to STOP this nonsense but what does Biden do........he tears up any agreement.

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Fran's avatar

no

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Jim Sanders's avatar

Like you, I do not countenance spelling, grammar or punctuation gestapo.

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Feral Finster's avatar

To answer your question: Netanyahu won't face any charges except for fundamentally political crimes.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Well.....I don't agree with you Feral.

Why? Because the world is tired of the USA and it's never ending wars.

IF you have looked at the news today on Al Jazeera you would notice that the Philippine's (spelling) are going through the worst heat wave they have ever had. How are the US bases in the Philippines coping with this?

In my opinion people are going to care MORE about the rising temperatures (caused by Western civilizations) than the USA!

IF the world court even decides that Net! and his buddies are complicit in genocide. Every country is fighting to survive.

Take a look at Kenya today a dam collapsed because of weather!

``Every country in the world blames the Western alliance.

Bombs away in order to keep the USA and it's Empire in tact.

I know you agree with me on most things BUT I have never heard you speak about Global catastrophe vis a vis weather and how the wesern alliance is complicit!

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Feral Finster's avatar

The world may be tired of the USA and its never-ending wars, but the question remains whether anyone will do anything about it.

I hope so, but I am skeptical.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Me too.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Yes but as I said above trying to 'curb' them things will only get worse.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Yes. The USA is in for a rude awakening.

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Levi Tate's avatar

The slur of antisemitism is used to enable Genocide, by intimidating and silencing.

​Anyone using The Slur should be promptly asked if they support/supported Genocide, now and in the future.

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Levi Tate's avatar

Could there be anything more ironic than the slur of antisemitism being used to enable Genocide?

What has been learned from all the Holocaust Museums and memorials.; all the official days set aside for recognition and memory; all the endless parade of movies and books?

What has been learned:

To turn your back on Genocide.

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Klonda56's avatar

Apparently that’s what Germany took away from it.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I think that it is time to STOP talking about Germany and Jews.

Yes it is our History.

I can understand Germany right now.........for many years they have been the 'pariah' country.

We are in a NEW crisis where the western empires are complicit in GENOCIDE

The new agenda is this: We are acting exactly the same genocide in the western world!

You can go on and on blaming Germany BUT right now we are concentrated on the demise of the Palestinian people.

We are NO different than the Germans.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

Sadly, Jenny, you are absolutely right. We are worse, in fact, for not having learnt anything from those days, for not seeing the USA for what it has become and for bowing down to the Jewish corruption that has by its very success in the Western world, brought us to this point in time.

Even as these words are being written, it is still the case after what we have seen in Israel. Now that is unpardonable.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Slight correction - not 'Jewish' corruption, but 'Zionist' and 'Capitalist' corruption.

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novapsyche's avatar

The problem is that Germany is part of the crackdown. Months ago, they rescinded the Hannah Arendt award ceremony that was to be given to author Masha Gessen. This month, German police raided a pro-Palestinian conference, and subsequently speaker and former Finance Minister of Greece Yanis Varoufakis was banned not only from speaking at German venues but even from giving Zoom conferences that would be available to German audiences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACCNGIIynQM

Terrible things are going on over there.

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occamsrazorback22's avatar

"They have the basics and today we see some kind of straight downgrading of the intellectual Germany. It's very odd and too striking."

If you have not seen the movie Idiocracy I can recommend, it explains a lot. (link)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwvV_YOYa14

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Megan Baker's avatar

Genocide, at least, against people who won’t be building resorts for the leisure class or padding the endowments of the universities that run on contracts with Israel. Not only can’t you harm a hair on the heads of those who do provide those benefits but you can’t even hurt their delicate little feelings. I think the thing to do at this point is to have a large number of students stage a protest calling for the release of the Israeli hostages. If the university doesn’t crack down on it you have the real motivation for the current crackdown laid bare. If it does suppress it you’ll likely have the Zionist donors threaten to take their ball and go home again. Either way you paint the university presidents the Zios have over a barrel into a tight corner. A lovely sight and encapsulation of the reality of the situation, if nothing else.

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Fran's avatar

US President Joe Biden signs into law a $95bn aid measure that includes $26bn for Israel and $1bn in humanitarian assistance to Gaza. This is who we are. Israel is implementing a genocide, destroys homes, hospitals, schools in Gaza, and we are giving them 26 times more so they can carry out this destruction then those who are on the receiving end of it. That's American, and that is definitely self serving Joe Biden who wants to run again. The democrats want him to run again.That's who they have become. The rest of that money is going to Ukraine so many more thousands, no doubt a couple of hundred thousand men can die.

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JennyStokes's avatar

When I see on WAPO vote blue I see RED!

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Fran, This is and has been the US playbook. Before Gaza - their newest formula - they have destabilised Global South countries, done regime change, create so called civil wars with killing fields. Making the hapless inhabitants flee to scrape a living in a dystopia of displaced refugees. And then to showcase their 'values' throw some aid at them.

I thought this attitude was nicely illustrated in the photos of Trump ( during his presidency) throwing toilet paper at the Puerto Ricans.

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Fran's avatar

What makes you think I am unaware of the things you mentioned? I am. I was also very active in the anti-war movement during our middle eastern wars in this century, and I know about our exploits in South America and elsewhere. What makes to think I am not?

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Fran, I was actually agreeing with you and adding my few cents worth! In reading your posts I was aware that you are aware. Sorry if you misunderstood.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Megan. DO you realise how many Palestinians are held in Jail (without trial)?

STOP being a genocide Joe and think.

We do not have much news here in the USA/Europe and yet you are advocating for the release of Israeli hostages?

IF you think that the IDF & Israel do not have Palestinian prisoners.....go an read some news.

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Megan Baker's avatar

Your mind is apparently a blunt object, so let me explain it to you. I suggested that a demonstration by activists pretending to call for the release of the Israeli captives would lay bare the true motivation behind these crackdowns on campus protests. Regardless of how the administrations responded they would have egg on their faces. I happen to think that’s a good thing. I am in no way advocating for the release of the Israelis.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I really do not understand your thinking.

What we should be doing now: Is asking for the release of Palestinian prisoners........nothing else.

EXACTLY why are you asking for the release of Israeli Hostages which is a small number compared with Palestinian prisoners?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Jenny, what Megan Baker is suggesting is a strategy that the students and protesters can use to shed more light on the double standards and hypocrisy of University Administration, US Zionists, and the US Government. Her suggestion would put the establishment in a quandary - i.e. do (clamp down on pro-Israeli protests and anger US Zionists) or don't do (expose double-standards to an even higher level) - either way the University Administration will (& should) be damned.

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gypsy33's avatar

Right on, Jenny.

There are THOUSANDS of Palestinian hostages held in IsraHelli jails without charges.

I see no need to protest for Israeli hostages when Satanyahu clearly does give a tinker’s damn about them.

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jamenta's avatar

Well said.

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Paul Prendergast's avatar

Israel has destroyed the memory of the holocaust

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Klonda56's avatar

Which holocaust is THE holocaust? Why is the European slaughter of millions of Congolese in the 19th century NOT “the holocaust”.

That very terminology was part of the setup to claim victim hood.

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Alasdair's avatar

The 'cloak of the Holocaust' means that no-one can ever criticise. It is a narrative that has now reached the point of being meaningless. Same as the term 'antisemitism'.

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Klonda56's avatar

It’s not a slur anymore. They have rendered it utterly meaningless in the space of six months of absurdly smearing it everywhere on everyone. Completely has no power anymore.

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Sam's avatar

Yep just like the Jewish wife who went to the protest hoping that she would be attacked for being a Jew, but was totally ignored. Lol…except for the woman dancing behind which must have irked her to no end.

BTW Caitlin. I posted your tweet last night and looked at it this morning and I see that she has taken her video down. Guess she wasn’t brave enough to take the flack from being ignored.

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Susan T's avatar

I have been to protests most weeks since they started and I have never heard any attacks on Jews. Even the comments on Zionism could not be called attacks. Those that think all Jews are at risk because people protest genocide really need to try to understand their Zionist brainwashing .

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Sam's avatar

Glad to hear a firsthand account of the protests. It’s a global psyops by the PTB because they are afraid too many people will start seeing through their bull 💩 and join against them.

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George Cornell's avatar

It’s been used very broadly as a weapon, often clandestine to disable competitors, not just real or imagined enemies. It has even been used to thwart individuals wanting to impose order and limit chicanery. I have several examples.

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jamenta's avatar

Another 51 bodies were found today in the mass graves uncovered at Gaza Nasser Hospital. Many were handcuffed before they were killed. Reported by Al Jazeera news.

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Jane D's avatar

OMG This is horrific. Unconscionable, beyond words.

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jamenta's avatar

Yes. :( It is a war crime. And those responsible, once this finally ends - should be Internationally charged and brought to justice, by the rest of the world.

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Jane D's avatar

I really hope so. Just that western governments have so completely lost their moral compass, it is hard to see how we bypass those barbarians that we have in power.

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novapsyche's avatar

Nearly 400 bodies and counting, as of this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcx5JaYe0oM

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jamenta's avatar

:(

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Lauren Seikaly's avatar

My 17 year old kid shared a video post of the police arresting students and faculty on campus with a one-word description: Dystopian. When the beating hearts with no college education are more clear-eyed than those with degrees from the Ivies, it makes me think maybe I shouldn’t send my kids to college.

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jamenta's avatar

The college cost-benefit has been losing ground for decades now in the US. Probably better to send your kids to a more affordable University abroad, especially given how American Universities are now being run like corporations where profit has become more important than actual education. Half the time, at many of these "prestigious" universities, the professors don't even teach the classes - undergraduates end up with under-paid, highly stressed graduate students teaching the classes. It's all about the money.

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Sam's avatar

A college degree comes with a receipt instead of diploma these days and thanks to Biden they will be saddled with them for the rest of their lives.

Weird how democrats with all their promises of canceling student debt have never tried to change the bankruptcy law.

Edit typo.

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jamenta's avatar

Joe Biden was directly responsible for the offensive bankruptcy laws where students could no longer unburden themselves from their debt, if they found themselves in the streets without gainful employment.

Although, republicans - when it comes to funding and supporting US education, are not any better than the democrats. In the last few decades its been all about "privatization" and how much profit could be made at the Universities. As opposed to most other advanced countries, where higher education is so highly prized - it is freely available to those who qualify. But here in America - we got a bunch of 1% billionaire sociopaths running the country, and making sure all the rest of the Americans are nothing more than slave wage serfs, many who can't even read, like in Feudal times.

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Megan Baker's avatar

Joe Biden: the Senator from the Credit Care Industry.

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jamenta's avatar

Who has 10 degrees and fought in the Civil War under Grant ...

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JennyStokes's avatar

jamenta. And a lot of these Professors have tenure for life. Bit like the Supreme Court!

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jamenta's avatar

I personally support tenure, but I am opposed to professors being forced to make research money for the University in order to keep their jobs, and not even teaching the students themselves.

The problem is not the professors but the people who run the Universities, the multi-million dollars presidents and the politicians and donors who are making a mockery of American higher education - turning even the Ivy League schools into money making corporations, and running the Universities like corporations.

Like everything else in America - from the military to US universities - the profit motive is perverting American culture with corruption, and obvious mediocrity.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Well said Jamenta! (and very true)

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Fran's avatar

Fran

just now

Netanyahu's speech. I hope no one reads this as they're eating, Oh, Feral when is he suppose to face corruption charges.

What's happening on American college campuses is horrific. Anti-Semitic mobs have taken over universities. They call for the annihilation of Israel.They attack Jewish students. They attack Jewish faculty. This is what is unconscionable. It has to be stopped, it has to be condemned unequivocally, but that is not what happened. The response of several university presidents was shameful. Now fortunately, state, local, federal, officials, many of them have responded differently, but there has to be more. More has to be done. It has to be done not only because they attack Israel, that's bad enough. Not only because they want to kill Jews wherever they are. That's bad enough. It's also when you listen to them. It's also because they say not only death to Israel, death to the Jews, but death to America. And this tells us that there is an anti-Semitic surge here that has terrible consequences. We see this exponential rise of anti-Semitism throughout America and through out Western societies and throughout Western societies as Israel tries to defend itself against genocidal terrorists, genocidal terrorists who hide behind civilians. Yet it is Israel that is falsely accused of genocide. Israel that is falsely accused of starvation, and all sundry war crimes. It's all one big libel, but that's not true. We've seen in history that anti-Semitic attacks we've seen in history that anti-Semitic attacks were always preceded by vilification and slander. Lies that were cast against the Jewish people that are unbelievable yet people believe them. and what is important now is for all of us, all of us who are interested and cherish our values and our civilization to stand up together and to say, enough is enough. We have to stop anti-Semitism because anti Semitism is the canary in the coal mine. It always precedes larger conflagrations that engulf the entire world. So I ask all of you, Jews, and non-Jews alike who are concerned with our common future and our common values, to do one thing. Stand up, speak up, be counted. Stop anti-Semitism now.

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I really don't have the stamina to listen to Netanyahu speeches anymore, or in fact, any American politician these days - with extremely few exceptions. I mute or skip past any clip - just to listen to what commentators/analysts that I've come to respect have to say (in summary).

To me, Netanyahu is just another Hitler. Nothing he says can be believed or worth listening too. I'd like to hope, as Emerson once wrote, that when someone commits a crime, the world is made of glass - and some damning circumstance will always follow. But it is only a small, maybe even desperate hope - a small cry in this freakshow wilderness of death.

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Fran's avatar

This is important to listen to because he is trying to stop students on our college campuses from protesting which is totally autocratic and scary. It really is important and too often in America as in Israel the perpetrator becomes the victim. Don;t turn away since he is setting up a situation which is totally autocratic. Interesting how the victimizer becomes the victim.

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gypsy33's avatar

I just puked, Fran 🤮

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JennyStokes's avatar

Jamenta. I do not mean to be 'aggressive' in my answer to you.

But a 'tenured' Professor of 65yrs old!????

Please tell me in your own words exactly what is this Professor doing apart from USING his staff while he drinks/eats out with his buddies.

I have friends who have been attached to 'tenured' Professors. Some even marry these bastards who 'rule the roost' of Academia.

NO Professor should be 'tenured' for life.

How about the young people who actually know more than their Professor.

They are not allowed to talk 'over him' because he is GOD.

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jamenta's avatar

I just disagree with you here. There are some very important reasons why a Professor should be tenured. However, given the declining nature of US education, many of those reasons now do not apply - I'll grant you that.

But don't want to get into a debate over tenureship. We're not going to agree on everything in lockstep Jenny. But we sure can agree on the evil of genocide.

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JennyStokes's avatar

NO Jamenta you cannot wriggle out of this conversation.

Please tell me why you believe in tenured Professors.

This is what always happens in the US...........people can't have conversations. Which is why you are where you are.

Are you perhaps a 'tenured' Professor?

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Feral Finster's avatar

And these are rich kids, by and large. Kids from important and well-connected families.

Pretend that these were ghetto kids or trailer park kids protesting Israel like that.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Lauren

Consider trade school for your kids. One of my grand nephews attended college ( engineering) for five years. The other learned to be a welder. Guess who makes a better income!

BTW Lauren, we used to know some Seikalys. They were friends of my father. This was in Flint, Michigan.

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Lauren Seikaly's avatar

Really???!! My grandparents fled Haifa in 1948 during the Nakba with my father who was 2 years old. They resettled in Madison Heights, Michigan, but I think that was after a period of time in another Michigan city. Who were the Seikalys that you knew??? (Apparently we're all related if it's spelled the same way!)

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Lauren

I wish I could recall the husband’s name. ( It MAY have been Emil.) I clearly recall that his wife’s name was Olga. Sadly, I cannot recall their children’s names either; they were more or less my age. We all lived in Flint. I’d bet my life that you and they are related!

My daughter might be able to find more info on the family. If anyone can, she can!

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Lauren Seikaly's avatar

Yes! My great-uncle Emil!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

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gypsy33's avatar

OMG!!!

Lauren they were frequent visitors to our home. I recall them as being an extremely attractive family and just lovely people. My own father was a mix of Mediterranean ethnicities according to Ancestry.com; Lebanese, Syrian, Italian, Cypriot as well as African.

There was a very large Arab-American community in Flint when I was growing up and we all knew each other. I’m happy to have known your Uncle Emil and his family; just wonderful people!

Looks like we have a connection!

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Jill Herendeen's avatar

Admit it: the US has the finest gov't money can buy.

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Sam's avatar

Yep. AIPAC bought Joe Biden for $4 million and has received billions in return. Great investment I’d say.

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Megan Baker's avatar

I'd heard it was $2 million.

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Sam's avatar

Mintpress showed the top ten people who received AIPAC money and its &4 million for Biden.

Alan ? I can’t remember his last name and he tweeted it a few days ago.

Maybe try to find a on the website?

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jamenta's avatar

Truth.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

The kind of society where the Times gives us its fashion critic to push upon us a more positive view of ultra-Zionist shitehead manipulator Zuckerberg, and I quote: "The robotic nerd depicted in “The Social Network” has turned into the kinder, more accessible face of Silicon Valley". Furthering the goals of the society as enslaver of our minds and hearts, turning us all into perennial rube consumers to whom a genocide is incidental news..

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JennyStokes's avatar

Well, because of Biden and his merry assassins we are being taught hypocrisy again and again.

The crass stupidity here is that trying to stop protests only makes things worse.

I am really grateful for these kids and keep on going after all how many protesters can be putt in prison!

All well said Caitlin.

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jamenta's avatar

It's heartening to see American youth becoming more active - and on complete display is the moral rottenness of many University administrators and their multi-million dollar salaried presidents. They are the ones who ought to be locked up, not the students.

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Sam's avatar

That was my first thought this morning. I am so happy for see the kids protesting against the genocide. Gives me hope.

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Marci Sudlow's avatar

Unfortunately no singer is likely to record a hit song like "Four Dead in Ohio" if arrests escalate to murder.

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jamenta's avatar

Fixin to Die at NJ Peace Action picnic, the one and only Nellie McKay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG65VYO-Sx4

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Anti-Hip's avatar

So let's get a another update to the lyrics. All that's needed is to substitute the proper names, because war-as-racket never went away.

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jamenta's avatar

Nellie is really talented. Surprising some big pocket music producer hasn't contracted her - she could be playing in much larger venues, with the right support and extra musical input.

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gypsy33's avatar

Great version of Country Joe’s Feel’s Like I’m Fixin to Die Rag! Loved it!

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gypsy33's avatar

Well, not Neil Fucking Young, for certain.

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Sam's avatar

Blinken is protesting against the Uighur genocide. What a fcking hypocrite he is.

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Levi Tate's avatar

You can be certain that there are Jews that are against The Genocide

as they want it all to go back to how it was - pretending that Israel is a good place.

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Zionist murder, theft and oppression was not invented on October 7th.

On October 6th Netanyahu was as little as three months away from annexing

a large segment of the West Bank.

What were the Palestinians to do? What were their options to halt the ongoing theft?

As we can see from the Disgrace to Civilization - the international community has been unable to even stop Genocide. No one was coming to stop further theft -- annexation --,

no one.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/uae-envoy-de-facto-west-bank-annexation-unfolding-but-our-ability-to-stop-it-wanes/​

"Netanyahu shelved plans to officially annex large parts of the West Bank in 2020 in exchange for normalizing relations with the UAE.

The countries involved in the Abraham Accords did not publicize it at the time, but Netanyahu’s commitment to not annex the West Bank was limited in duration.

Days after the normalization agreement was announced in September 2020, three sources familiar with the negotiations told The Times of Israel that then-US president Donald Trump gave the UAE a commitment that Washington would not recognize any Israeli annexation move until 2024 at the earliest."

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John Day MD's avatar

Total silence of universal slaves is the goal.

What comes after that?

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Steve O'Neal's avatar

I’m not sure which incident prompted it (it’s hard to keep up) but a few weeks ago I found myself thinking, “Are we really living in a world where to be anti-genocide is to be antisemitic?” Fortunately, there are many Jews who would vehemently disagree.

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Michael Feldman's avatar

I have had conversations with numerous people around Columbia University and asked them to name one antisemitic comment that was made. I made the criteria clear: protesting the war is not antisemitic. Not a single person could come up with anything.

It’s a bad faith bigotry accusation meant to stifle dissent by intimidation.

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Elyse Gilbert's avatar

Caitlin, clearly you write for reasons I don't know because I don't know you personally. However, as I've been following you for years it appears you write as a kind of therapy in addition to spreading the word of truth to the indoctrinated masses too.

I've been fortunate enough to witness you becoming more and more creative and capturing intense feelings with your special emotional driven words. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Please keep up this completely sane and valuable insight for the few of us with functioning brains and hearts. Love to you and your family.

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Gerri's avatar

I agree and I also have felt that you write and I read as it’s therapeutic for us all that are so frustrated with the feeling of hopelessness with the ongoing non stop injustice and we wonder when will it end ? I have to search for something positive and remind myself that that NO ONE even in the media mentioned Palestine they did NOT have a voice at all and no one was aware of the power of Zionism so yes some things have changed and a light is now shining in a dark corner

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Gerri

My present therapy is a drawing of Rachel Corrie I’m currently executing. I wanted it subtle so I’m doing it in soft core colored pencill rather than my usual acrylic paint. Very happy with the results so far.

My sister has beautiful penmanship ( unlike me) so she will write Rachel’s name and the date of her martyrdom on the mat before it’s framed.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I think that at this point we should all have enormous respect for the Yemeni's. It seems they are the only country doing something to stop shipments to Israel and according to the latest news, even though they are being bombed regularly, they say they will not back down.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Jenny, since I got and learned to shoot my Kalashnikov, I wanna BE a Hout’hi! 😁

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Hannahlehigh's avatar

I turned on Glenn Beck this morning, I regretted it once I heard him barking and screeching about Israel, he is spreading lies daily about the genocide they're committing against Palestinian people daily. He wants us to believe Israel is losing people because of Hamas and Hamas is who's killing Palestinians. I am ready to scream, how is it we can see the truth but he can't.

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jamenta's avatar

Glenn Beck is a nut. But let's not forget, it's Genocide Joe who is the US president.

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George Cornell's avatar

It’s a tossup for me whether it should be Genocide Joe or GI Joe or Genocide GI Joe.

No one will mix them up with anyone else.

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jamenta's avatar

It appears Epstein didn't just have an island in Little St. James, but Washington DC was also an island he owned.

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Mikhael's avatar

I didn't think that guy was even still alive!

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

So true! We're living in crazy land!

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Leon Brown, Jr.'s avatar

It’s literally mind-boggling how the corrupt corporate media continues to vomit out a stream of blatant lies, unabated…. Yes, this is what we’ve come to!

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