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Michael's avatar

If Chucky Shumer isn’t a Zionist, I don’t know what one is. It’s to a point that we all need to believe the exact opposite of what our politicians say publicly.

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Fran's avatar

I've been thinking about this some more since I just recently heard about it. I wasn't paying attention to the news lately. I don't trust Schumer, never did, and maybe the purpose of calling for Netanyahu to take a hike is to garner the kind of response from the republicans that he has which is all over the news and displays their full hearted support for that heartless bastard, and what he is implementing in Gaza. Mitch McConnell and Johnson, the speaker of the house, both republicans came out in no uncertain terms that they are against what Schumer said. the right wing talk shows and news outlets are also calling Schumer out on this. They say Biden is down in the polls because of Israel's genocide, and down on the democrats for backing it with bombs. so now the focus will also be on the republicans in that regard, since they've really been screaming up a storm on Schumer's suggestion that the Net begone. I don't believe he wants him gone for one moment. I know Israeli's want Netanyahu gone but not because he is implementing a genocide, since they support it.

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Michael's avatar

The purpose is always the same, to pretend there’s political opposition while marching along in lock step. The joke is on us

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Anti-Hip's avatar

There's that, but the more immediate need is to stanch the now-runaway political costs to the Democrats. Now that Israel is turning into a pariah, Schumer has to still get Biden and Congress limping across the finish line in November, and if a firehose of layered lies is needed, so be it.

Remember, their time-tested motto is "by any means necessary". After they proved it out on low-hanging fruit in the 50s and 60s, they have been using this with an Archimedes lever, further and further, ever since. Until there's no such thing as democracy ever again.

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Fran's avatar

Republican leader McConnell slams Schumer's call for new election in Israel

"It is grotesque and hypocritical for Americans who hyperventilate about foreign interference in our own democracy to call for the removal of a democratically elected leader of Israel. This is unprecedented. We should not treat fellow democracies this way at all," McConnell said, after Schumer harshly criticized the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government. Not to mention as I have before AIPAC has a very undemocratic hand in our government.

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chris leeds's avatar

double think, double dealing and double crossing sums up the historical US foreign policy actions which have removed many democratically elected heads of state - from Shukri al-Quwatli in Syria, Mossadeq in Iran to Jacobo Árbenz in Guatemala or more recently Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine. The list of their "change of regime" actions is very long indeed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

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Fran's avatar

I just responded to comment that made the same point and it's a good one and just shows what a show we put on, but only a sell out for people who know nothing about the country they live in. Not to mention our 21st century wars, and no validity to any of them. Thanks for that link. Long read.

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SW's avatar

It’s all theater. “Concentrate on how humane we are by wanting a leader who doesn’t slaughter people quite as quickly and not on the fact we support that slaughter 100%.” Oh, and by the way, we’ll build a pier with taxpayer dollars and send them TV dinners.

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Klonda56's avatar

Similar to their recently faked “hot mic” at the state of the union address.

People need to understand this government is now actively and aggressively manipulating the public with fake events and even faked debate.

This is a structural program of disinformation designed by the Biden administration Disinformation bureau of Nina Jankowitz (another Zionists) now operating underground.

This is fascism in action. It’s happening here.

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Fran's avatar

Biden is someone who pushed all out middles eastern wars, a war monger, and now the old coot thinks we're going to buy the line he cares? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is an odd juxtaposition that is giving bombs to Israel to kill them while we ship them some food before they die.

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Death watch beetle's avatar

Killing someone with a full belly is no different to killing someone who is starving!

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Fran's avatar

Surprise, Surprise: AIPAC Flips Out Over Schumer’s Netanyahu Comment

Who could have guessed this one?

https://newrepublic.com/post/179836/aipac-pissed-chuck-schumer-benjamin-netanyahu-commen

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Klonda56's avatar

Pantomime to influence defecting voters.

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Anti-Hip's avatar

McConnell: "Americans who hyperventilate about foreign interference in our own democracy to call for the removal of a democratically elected leader of Israel."

Yeah, but removing/electing a democratically elected leader in Russia -- or, for that matter, literally *any* other country -- no problem! In Russia, not only screaming today about removing Putin, but also so shamelessly interfering to get Yeltsin elected in 1996 that they glorified it with a Time magazine feature.

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Fran's avatar

Good point, and not to mention how many we took out in this 21st century by destroying their countries based on lies. Or those leaders we removed, or killed in South America and elsewhere . Our hypocrisy is stunning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Fran's avatar

Gee he gave soo many an opportunity to support this genocide.

Johnson slams Schumer’s call for elections in Israel as ‘highly inappropriate’ and ‘wrong’

“We want to speak very clearly and concisely to say that this is not only highly inappropriate, it’s just plain wrong for an American leader to play such a divisive role in Israeli politics while our closest ally in the region is in an existential battle for its very survival,” Johnson said at a press conference alongside other House GOP leaders.

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Fran's avatar

Our support maybe our undoing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHiljHjdx3k

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gypsy33's avatar

LOVE Owen Jones, Fran.

All must watch.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Hi Fran, Here's another vital video, on the slight chance you haven't seen it yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbppCU7uiJw

This is a truly impressive presentation.

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Fran's avatar

I haven't, and thank you and it does look interesting.

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SW's avatar

Our complicity is closer to the truth. Thanks for the link to Owen Jones’ video. I think he’s right— this is the beginning of the end for Western hegemony.

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Fran's avatar

You're move optimistic then I am. Our history on that issue is decades long and I don't think the US will allow it to go out of fashion.

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Elisabeth's avatar

I would think this is just damage control for the election (Muslim Voters?!). I get daily petitions to sign for ceasefire, no more money and so on. I would think they feel the heat and this is their reaction.

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Michael's avatar

IDK. I’m not sure they care. No matter who gets ‘elected’, the power elites are assured they have their Manchurian candidate. Maybe they are worried more about pitch forks than votes

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Susan T's avatar

He's probably worried about the economic interests of the US in the middle east. I can't see him being interested in the people of Israel or the people of Palestine. He isn't even much interested in the people of the USA unless one considers those with money and power to be the people.

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Fran's avatar

If Israel is so independent why is the US supplying them with weapons to carry out their genocide? Why has the Israeli lobby infiltrated the American political system so that our politicians have to bow down to Israel? They just killed a few dozen more Gazans trying to get food. I think Schumer's remarks were a total sham so that every news station was provided the opportunity for pro-Israeli voices who are pushing this genocide a platform to justify it. All of them are sickening. Schumer knows full well no two state solution will be implemented and it is not only in Gaza one can witness this but in the West Bank as well, and has been going on forever. The West Bank owned and controlled by Israel, by Jews, not Palestinians. I'm sick of their BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Feral Finster's avatar

Because Israel wants the benefits of dependency and of independence, but none of the obligations of either.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

The only reason Schumer said anything is the polls. At least 68% of Americans want a permanent cease-fire, and so long as Biden is the nominee the Democrats have no chance of carrying Michigan, and therefore no chance of winning the general election.

If it was 68% cheering on the genocide, he wouldn't have said a thing.

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gypsy33's avatar

He was in MY STATE yesterday, OB. 😡

Saginaw, cause he daren’t show his face in Detroit or Ann Arbor.

Stay the fuck outta Michigan, you genocidal fucked up old man! YOU CAN’T have it, and YOU AIN’T gettin’ it!

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Landru's avatar

I think I'll steal that phrase from you when I protest in Chicago : 0

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Well, I like Michigan. Mackinaw Island is every bit as spectacular as the Grand Canyon in its own way, and has MUCH better food. Nothing beats fresh-caught Lake whitefish.

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Fran's avatar

I didn't know that so many Americans wanted a cease fire and recognize this for what it is. 68% is the percentage of Israeli's who want nothing of the kind. They'll change their mind they say when all the hostages are returned. Nice cover.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Genocide Ben does not give one shit about the safety of Israeli hostages. He has made that more perfectly clear than anything Nixon ever did.

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Fran's avatar

I know and is just using them to further his genocidal agenda. However I will not forgive the brutality of their military which reflects their absolute destain for these people. Too much hate. Kill a kid playing with a firecracker and see them just use kids as target practice. Yuck!

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Contrarian 33's avatar

At the risk of appearing to minimise the horrible events in Gaza and those yet to come, the greatest distraction for many is now becoming the attitude of the White Anglo Christian countries, all sticking together with the same support for Israel, competing with each other in their reactions to those who object to their policies with serious increases in the severity of police actions against demonstrators, as just one example. It is everywhere.

Has there ever been a time in the history of the world when the people, so many in so many countries and their governments, have become so estranged, so divided in their opinions of what should be happening to their world, but isn't .....and what is not happening but should be.

The examples are never ending in 2024.

AUKUS in Australia's domain, Israeli owned government in the USA; NATO anxious to get on the ground in Ukraine; murder mayhem, starvation and genocide in Palestine; 800 military bases owned by the USA all over the world, as just a few. But the very worst feature is that all these government look the same, mirror images of one another, all political parties cheering on the sadistic Israelis in their inhumanity and the only international body called the UN, once worthy and respected, now just a feeble social club controlled by a US veto.

Careful world. Soon we will see the need to really expand our horizons to "move forward", make Ukraine a stepping stone to bombard Russia, who with China's help could level every capital city in the world in double quick time.

As for the simple trigger for a world conflict....take a look at the density of Americans in New York City. Never been even close to a war with all previous governments, instead using far distant geographies for their killing fields. Perhaps the only way for Americans to wake to the fact that the people are asleep and the government is totally foreign owned by a hated regime, is for such a threat to be real.

That's all it would take while Israel achieves its objective, well planned over 70 years and controls the Middle East.

If the world does not stop Israel in its genocidal acts and its stealing of Palestinian land and its killing of perhaps 200,000 people, then that will be the trigger.

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Fran's avatar

Will the Israel Lobby Cause America’s Downfall?

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/if-israel-wants-to-be-an-independent/comment/51695985?r=bj63u

In full view of the world, the US is facilitating “some of the worst crimes of our age,” an action that could ultimately cause America’s downfall… Why is this happening and what can be done about it?

By Alison Weir

He points out that “Western governments have openly facilitated some of the worst crimes of our age” and concludes: “I don’t think the West is ever going to recover from this.”

It’s important to examine why the West is taking such irrational, immoral, and self-destructive actions.

The causation is clear, although relatively few are willing to mention it, and there’s always a cost in stating it. The major factor in this potentially catastrophic situation is the pervasive and extremely powerful influence of the pro-Israel lobby.

There are highly influential lobbies for Israel in many countries, including the UK, France (also see this), and Europe in general.

In this piece I will focus on the United States. Since in today’s world the US is considered the world’s most powerful country, the lobby is especially active here.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

If the American public do wake to the underlying reason for their internal problems, soon to follow and the reason for all the international problems created by 800 bases worldwide, the taunting by the USA of Russia and China to create further wars for the profiteers to get even wealthier, the decrease in US trade balances due to the disrespect that has been created, the eventual cessation by all countries. of the US dollar as the international trading currency and look at the reason behind their politicians subservience to Israel with its disgraceful record against Palestine, they may decide to find a decent, honourable person to sit in the White House. Out of 330 million, there must be one person who is not corrupted, bribed, managed by Zionists, owned lock,stock and barrel by the likes of the BlackRocks of this world ……..surely.

The first step then will be one vote per person, free of graft. Possible?

Who knows?

Only the America people can do this. No one else and they have to want it.

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gypsy33's avatar

Jill Stein in ‘24

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Landru's avatar

When you're in the voting booth, know I am with you : )

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JennyStokes's avatar

I will cheer you both on.

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Susan T's avatar

Even if they do manage to find someone who has not yet been corrupted, they will ensure that (s)he is either corrupted or killed. It is the system in its entirety that needs to change. One person at the top is not going to cut it.

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Fran's avatar

You ask the impossible, since there is no such person within the US who has shown any interest in pursuing a political career. Some start out with a sense of morals but too often maybe always wind up selling their soul.

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Susan T's avatar

They have to sell their souls or get out, one way or another

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Fran's avatar

none

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Susan T's avatar

Contrarian 33: I am not sure that NATO was ever worthy altho it has received some respect. It is encouragement for all to join the NATO club, except those that they choose to exclude, so that they can make sure that Russia does not expand into Europe. It was formed with McCarthy fear mongering of the Soviet Union. They "will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area." Nothing about maintaining peace or creating an environment open to peace. It is just defensive and fear mongering.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

I think you are making a point that is futher elaborated upon here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbppCU7uiJw

The Gaza Method is coming to a theater near you.

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gypsy33's avatar

And COLONIZERS all, Contrarian.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Talking heads who do nothing!

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Clare Delahunt's avatar

They really seem dependent on controlling Tik Tok now, too. Geez!

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

"There is no basis for the suggestion that helping Israel kill Palestinians in Gaza makes the western world safer in any way."

In fact, helping Israel become the world's most hated ethnostate makes the world less safe than ever. Why? Because white settler-colonial projects don't really need to be seen as even more racist and fascistic than they are. The remainder of the world already loathes and despises them and wants to see them all end by any means possible. Apartheid regimes breed more terrorists by their very nature.

Israel is about an independent as bunion on the bottom of your foot and just as painful. It needs to be cut off from the rest of the body for the body's own good.

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Patricia's avatar

Indeed:

It needs to stop living off of the profits made by other nations.

The adjective “independent”(?), is by every evident example (?); not an accurate description of Israel : not by a proverbial “long shot”.

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Peter's avatar

I really think our money to Israel is just the icing on the cake, it's a tithe to show obesequisence, they don't really need it, they and their supporters are infinitely rich, they could prosper for a 1000 year s on the money they have, they only to make it look like they need us... good optics. Israel does control software that runs services, politicians, etc, but that's only to remind us of their "superiority.'. Anybody with that much money can buy any weapons from anybody

...if not from the US then from France, Russia, etc. it's a mind trap... you want to think they might respond to pressure, but that's an illusion

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Clare Delahunt's avatar

I gone so as to think we’re allowing them the genocide to erroneously and insanely rid themselves of the humiliation of the Holocaust so long as we control the Middle East oil and trade routes.

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paul's avatar

An excellent analysis of the relationship between Israel and the US:

https://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-israel-as-us-aircraft-carrier-in-middle-east/

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gypsy33's avatar

I go to Unz regularly to read Philip Geraldi, one of my favorites. If it’s considered an ‘“antisemitic” website, I couldn’t give a flying fuck less.

I know which Jews to admire, and which to despise.

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Anti-Hip's avatar

The fact that it has existed for years, yet Unz is not in jail (on Trumped-up charges), bankrupt, or worse, tells me it's a honeypot. Same questions to ask about Noam Chomsky never losing his academic position (again, which could have been achieved via Trumped-up charges), and now, interestingly, a gung-ho pro-COVID-lockdown champ. The war is VERY hybrid, folks.

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Anti-Hip's avatar

"The war is VERY hybrid, folks."

To wit:

' “With the threat of terrorism on its way to the West, it would be best if the international community would assist Israel in its just war, thereby also protecting their countries,” Bennett added, an assertion that is ridiculous in multiple ways. There’s no basis for the claim that the threat of terrorism is growing in the west ...'

So why is he saying this, Caitlin, and with such confidence? What are we *supposed* to think, that is, without the meta-thinking prohibited to us hoi polloi? Are we to just snap to attention, and say, 'Yes, sir, Dr. Bennett! I'm afraid! I'm VERY afraid!! Please, PLEASE, tell me what the EXPERTS [up there, invisible, in the clouds / behind the curtain / or wherever the creeps-spooks are hiding... ] say must be done to save us -- whatever it takes!!' ? Oh, and while you're at it, how about we take a closer look at the c."1200" and all the rest of it on Oct. 7...

The "I'm dumb but I'm not *that* dumb" factor in the mostly insouciant American population is what's now gnawing at Democratic Party (and Israeli) leadership, I assure you... The wolves are now at their doors, panting. Their AI deepfakes to send it all FUBAR can't come fast enough for them.

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David Avenell's avatar

I'm given to believe that Amerika doesn't want 'Independent States', Amerika wants subservient vassals. As long as Israel suits Amerikan wishes, they will get US support.

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Patricia's avatar

And THEN(??);

When they don’t (?):…”service” Amerikka’s ambitions and purposes (any longer??)…..

That time has arrived:

We will all know the answers to those questions soon enough :

(sooner rather than later I should think…).

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David Avenell's avatar

On my darker days I fear that answer will be the classic abusers' response: "If I can't have you no-one can".

And the Amerikan Empire applies that same irrationality to the rest of the world.

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Patricia's avatar

Indeed dave.jumanji:

an apt and accurate description.

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Jack Lomax's avatar

"....The reason Israel cannot exist without nonstop violence is because it is an artificial nation that was simply dropped on top of a pre-existing civilization whose inhabitants and neighbors had a deeply-rooted way of living which was massively disrupted by the sudden imposition of a newly created. group ..." says Caitlin

Exactly! And which group were dropped onto and murdered en mass the Palestinians? Well , the Zionist right wing of Jews. It was done by the three most powerful countries in the world under the pretext of sheltering the remains of European holocaust Jewish population . UK and US had been under the de facto (underground ) control of the zionists for all of the 20th century. The USSR since 1917 when the zionists dominated Bolshevik party took control over the majority Menshevik party. This is how and why Israel got voted into existence by major party policy in 1947. Thankfully the USSR has been put into the dustbin of history. But the two other parties major US and minor UK still are dominated by zionist economic and thus political power in regard to Israel and much of their foreign policy. Distorting all of this is the showcase of their western media

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Robert Billyard's avatar

Farce, farce, and more farce. Israel and every NATO member state likes to pretend they are sovereign when they are in Washington's hip pocket.

An election is also a joke as there is only the right, the far right, and the extreme right in Israel. Western countries are all single party puppet states dedicated to fighting Washington wars.

When the party is over there are going to be very dismal times. The economic and social wreckage will be devastating. The west is frozen in time as the rest of the world passes it by.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Absolutely agree.

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Thor Swayze's avatar

Posted This on PBS’s, MSNBC & Sen. Chuckles Schumer Facebook Pages…

Real Journalism…

*Last November a retired Israeli major general named Yitzhak Brick told a columnist with the Jewish News Syndicate, “All of our missiles, the ammunition, the precision-guided bombs, all the airplanes and bombs, it’s all from the US. The minute they turn off the tap, you can’t keep fighting. You have no capability… Everyone understands that we can’t fight this war without the United States. Period.”*

Dem Party = The Military Industrial Complex’s Sock Puppet Party 🎈

https://open.substack.com/pub/caitlinjohnstone/p/if-israel-wants-to-be-an-independent?r=ej7x0&utm_medium=ios

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Fran's avatar

They couldn't fight this war without AIPAC either since they have so much control over our politics, like who's in, and who's not.

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Jerry Latsko's avatar

Shumer lamely tries to score points but if the U.S. really wanted him out or different military tactics then it would happen. Israel is the 51st. state...

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Feral Finster's avatar

Israel wants it both ways, wants unlimited rights with no responsibilities, and will get what it wants, unless and until it is stopped.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I tried to watch this speech.....got through about 15mins then turned it off!

As Caitlin says. If Israel wishes to be it's own country then turn the money off now.

Heartily sick of these politicians.......they all speak the same way. Controlled by AIPAC of course.

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Alistair P-M's avatar

Israel is independent the way a spoilt brat with unfettered access to their parent's credit card is independent

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7swordMary's avatar

ZioNazis can be Independent SOMEPLACE ELSE. Their HUNDRED YEARS of RABID HATE of Muslims & Arabs precludes permitting their ZioNazi Terror to proliferate in the Middle East. BYE FELICIA❗️

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