It would be unconscionable to look away! My disgust at Biden/ US increases for their looking away from Israel’s deliberate murder of Palestinians. Looking away seems to be a U.S. policy.
I want to put the full blame where it belongs and that is on Israel, especially Netanyhu, but your right the US is more culpable then I initially thought. What has made it so bad is the neocon agenda which has become ours, and it is one of death and destruction. It motivated all our Middle Eastern wars which killed and displaced millions, and now is supporting this carnage. I am surprised that CNN, and MSNBC, not FOX, are showing pictures of the deaths and destruction which is a good thing and makes it much harder for people to look away or ignore the reality of the barbarism being inflicted. It's more godless, because they are directly targeting the civilian population, men, women, children. Yet our senile president who has always supported our many wars gives his full support to Israel. It's not his senility that makes him a monster, since he has even pushed war down the throats of his fellow democrats through out the 21st century wars, and before.
"Bethlehem, long revered as the birthplace of Jesus, is in the Israeli-occupied West Bank. And as the war between Israel and Hamas continues, Christian leaders in Bethlehem say the city will skip Christmas festivities this year in solidarity with the people of Gaza." That's the Christmas spirit.
Israel would kill the Palestinians with rocks, clubs and their bare hands even if America didn’t furnish them with weapons to inexplicable to describe. I’m not sure anything will stop them even if the will existed.
There are already more then 6 thousand Palestinian children dead, and more likely thousands more that lie buried under the rubble. Hospitals are often ill equipped to deal with their injuries and too often no family members for comfort, since they have been killed. It's difficult to listen to, but I force myself. I have no doubt, far too many people see Palestinians, Muslims, as less then and they simply don't care. Don't care that there are children being slaughtered. I've heard people express that very sentiment.
Respect Caitlin. My heart aches for the suffering being inflicted on the people of Palestine and the cruel indifference and dismissal by our governments in the west. The power of your writing, the love and commitment, motivates me to continue to witness, endure and speak out against the Palestinian genocide.
NO ONE should ever look away. In my part of the world which is small communities in southern Alabama, a lot of people just talk about Oct. 7th, 2023 and how we need to pray and support Israel. I witnessed it this evening at a Christmas party I attended with my Dad. The man in our tractor club who said the prayer mentioned Oct.7th and Israel like Israel is suffering only, no mention of the Palestinians who are the real victims and the ones being massacred every day. When will my country stop siding with Israel?! Why does Israel get a pass, but when the SMO began last year in February 2022 it was all Russia/Putin is a war criminal with no evidence to back it up, but with Gaza there is mountains of evidence of war crimes committed by Israel and these sorry leaders in the West and yes, a lot of Americans I’m sad to say, go on and on about poor Israel?! It’s disgusting and pathetic. One of my friends at the party, who is Evangelical, even said she wanted a blue and white decorated Christmas tree in honor of Israel. I just don’t understand it and I guess I never will. As for me I will continue to support the people of Gaza and all people who are oppressed just like I would if I lived during the time of the Holocaust. America has a hang up when it comes to WW2, yet our leaders won’t even admit that it was the former Soviet Union who did most of the fighting against the Nazis. 😢☮️
In the US, this may be part of the reason that some side with Israel: The UN Security Council held an emergency meeting Friday morning New York time to discuss the catastrophic situation in Gaza. This follows Wednesday’s urgent letter by Secretary-General António Guterres – one of the most powerful tools at his disposal – urging the body to help end carnage in the war-battered enclave through a lasting humanitarian ceasefire. A resolution tabled late afternoon in the chamber calling for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire was vetoed by the United States.
Emergency powers are clearly required to over-rule the Security Council. Time for a UN Extraordinary General Meeting to discuss changing the UN constitution if such power doesn't already exist like it should.
The signers of the Declaration of Independence tells us how to deal with the UN while listing grievances against KGIII: He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation. [We may infer that we should disregard such.]
There’s also about 10 big enclaves of Arabs in the US and when I read where they were I was struck by how swing statey they were. I’m so glad. We don’t deserve it but maybe the people we have so abused since 9/11 will turn the tide in ‘24.
I hope they all vote for Rashida. She won’t win, but it doesn’t really matter who wins in my humble fucking opinion, the security state will win. I just want to see solidarity. We’re headed for a major collapse, both economically and diplomatically and I don’t think either party will be able to govern. So organizing into coalitions and getting used to disruption is the next step. I sort of feel like we’re at a new Revolutionary War time but it will have a lot of online rebellion and be more worldwide.
Also no fan of Trump but Not possible hed be worse ,especially with war ,he was far better. Hard to realize how far in the shitter the politicians have sunk us all especially the president
No, he did call for a Muslim ban. 2015 or so. He also called for surveillance of all mosques. The guy is just a talented con man, just as controlled by the security state as Biden is.
President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,” while expressing sympathy for their demonstration against the removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. It was a strikingly different message from the prepared statement he had delivered on Monday, and a reversion to his initial response over the weekend. [Find me the video of him saying "that 'white nationalists' are fine people." This is also an example of disingenuous people using language improperly. Is every white person who is a nationalist a "white nationalist" with all of the implications that the press is attaching to that combinations of words? If I support my country generally and am white, does that make me a "white nationalist" in the context implied?"
"...defending some of the people who marched with torches," says the reporter. Cut to Trump, "You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.
So, was Trump referring to people who marched with torches as the reporter says, those pictured? Or was it just people who did not want the statues down? This is why I want to see the whole video, not just what some reporter says he said and followed by video snippets. He suggests that it is possible that Washington and Jefferson statues may come down. They are both subjects of negative talk these days; their statues may indeed come down.
You may not believe this, but President Trump is occasionally portrayed as something he is not. And by many sides, as there are not just two sides.
I must admit I was wrong about video. I was thinking about the extreme vetting policy regarding people from some countries, so must confess my words were terrible, and from someone who is so exacting about words. I am chagrined.
Did non-Muslims from any of these countries get subjected to the same vetting? Or was it just Muslims? My memory was that there were certain nations involved, regardless the words.
By the way, do you have video of before and after this stretch of video that would demonstrate that Trump wasn't just reading a statement that someone wrote about him. There are many lies told about him...such as the "some nazis are fine people," and I'd like to know that when he says that "Donald Trump is calling for..." that he's not reading some false statement written by a member of an unfriendly press and this little snippet does not help that way.
You may be correct but no wars started on his watch i think? & BELIEVE ME when i say i do not like the man. NYC Has been my stomping grounds since i could ditch in the 70s tool over 5 min to the Bronx as a free range teen & LIVE. He was a mean rich arrogant realtor from hell then tossing out old folks & being the A hole Donald is but 🤷♀️id take that over this. I DONT SEE HOW HED BE WORSE ? Censorship, mandates & shutdown part dux ,or like all out fascist in power tanks in neighborhoods , oaying for MORE genocide?
The system isnt run by president or party anymore. We have zero input if we arent in the streets disrupting their Commerce 24/7 the wallets , pockets ,markets assets ,the ”value” of their commodities & resources is the ONLY LANGUAGE THEY SPEAK. & it is ENTIRELY INVENTED & if WE DONT PLAY IT MELTS AWAY LIKE CAKE IN THE RAIN. This action WILL EFFECT US ALL & We will suffer but not even close to Genocede so . WHO ARE WE? Slaves to this Bankers wet dream ? Now its by choice if we stay silent .Dont know about anyone else but I cant enjoy shit if it is materalized from charring babies & patients recovering in hospitals any atrocities,just because its far away & been hidden propagandized that is IRRELEVANT ,THIS IS REAL,AN ATROCITY,ON OUR WATCH, FINANCED BY US. Like lockdowns It will be awful , or maybe we face worse? but if we know we profit & prosper only on the backs & suffering & death of fellow humans what is worse? Your humanity v/s less garbage ( you Never needed) in your fake ass (consumer life)🥸experience ? That was sold to you? I CANT STOMACH IT. I CANT AVERT MY GAZE. I WONT. 🤷♀️NO MORE 🤬WE HAVE BLOOD SOAKED HANDS IN GENOCIDE! 🥹How many sins/ atrocities JUST SINCE Vietnam are we complicit in? but if were in Solidarity w/ ea other we getbout of this mess alive. Try & access our small local, ie. Family,church, temple, school🤷♀️(insert decent people here) they are everywhere just prod a bit. we or just you or I can start something good ,build good works with old school style grass roots organizing and stop this system. but for now WE MUST FIND AN END TO THE CARNAGE. IMMEDIATELY Every minute is death & suffering for more victims of our GREEDY CRIMINAL RIGGED SYSTEM .we are pathetic condemned cowards if we do nothing.DO NOT LOOK AWAY🙏❤️🔥☮️
God bless ,be kind ,try like mad to see :”could be us but for the grace...” Luck,universe ,god ?🙏☮️
A BIG reason behind the bias you describe is of course racism. The Israel lobby has gone to enormous lengths over the years to portray itself as a Western country, populated by white people with modern, liberal values just like their allies. Hanukah is presented as the Jewish Christmas, often by very presentable mouthpieces like Brooke Goldstein. On the other hand, Islam, Arabs, Muslims, Palestinians have been presented as terrorists, nut jobs, haters of women and gay people, towel heads, camel fuckers, barbaric scum. They are not white. They are not like us. They are not human...or an old and obsolete type of human that needs to be removed from the gene pool. So great is this cultural pressure that it's tempting to go along with it. Until you realise that it is highly exclusive. Left to its own devices, Zionism aligns with racist, classist, imperial supremacy that suits a tiny proportion of the world's peoples. The rest of us can go to hell.
Their agenda is also very political. Our White House is stoked piled with neocons and they are pushing their agenda, now an American agenda, of world wide hegemony. It was on full display through all our middle eastern wars planned long before we even went after bin Laden in Afghanistan. They said they could pull it off and all they would need is a New Pearl Harbor, and along comes 9/11. There are people who believe it was an orchestrated event to provide the New Pearl Harbor they needed to set us on the path of all our many Middle Eastern wars. I don't know, never really got into it. Funny though how Netanyahu got his Pearl Harbor in an attack by Hamas which lends justification for what he has always wanted, that is the expulsion of the Palestinians and a one state solution called Israel.
Did you see the mehdi Hassan coverage of how the Palestinian girl tamemi was picked up by the west...until they realised she wasn’t a Ukrainian girl slapping a Russian soldier, she is Palestinian slapping Israeli soldier? At that point she was promptly dropped.
Americans are simple minded, and they think about the old testament: David and Goliath. The Israelites, God's chosen people. They learned so much of this in Sunday School. Indoctrination. Thus, I am an atheist.
The Scofield Bible commentary is held responsible by many for huge confusion in Christianity. It is used by the Zionists to herd as many gullible cattle-people as is possible into the intensely dystopian and downright oxymoronic world of 'Christian Zionism' complete with the 'Rapture' spiel as the icing on the illusory & dissonant cake. [sigh]
Good for you, Tippy. Personal faith is very powerful and putting it out for others to comment on takes courage. My faith doesn’t have a definition—I just heard my higher power speak in my head saying “I am here.” For me she’s female and I call her Ma. But I like Jesus, and Buddha and Loa Zhu and the I Ching and Seth Speaks and yoga and tarot and astrology. Faith is faith is faith. It’s like a muscle—exercise it and it gets stronger, and truly does help us escape death. Happy trails to you.
Dang!!! This is great. I agree that glittering generalities used to buttress an opinion, such as So and so’s are….is useless demagoguery. But I like to do it about Yuppies! Now I’ll have to think about it. Damn! 😼🫶
Perhaps the best thing You could have done in the situation with the man praying at your tractor club Xmas party would have been to stand up and voice your objection.
In January 1991 I experienced a VERY traumatic personal experience on the same day the 91 desert storm war began. The following Sunday I -an anti-war activist- strayed from my atheist standing and went to a church wondering if maybe turning to “god” would help. The church pews and altar were covered with red ribbons and the preacher declared it a holy war. he mocked protesters who were demanding peace and an end to the desert storm.
That was too much for me to bear. I stood and shouted “Who would Jesus bomb?” Then I turned and walked down the center aisle leading to the exit repeatedly voicing my exclamation “Who would Jesus bomb?”
That experience confirmed my atheism.
If a god existed that church would have imploded as I walked out the door.
“If god were alive today, he would be an atheist.” Kurt Vonnegut
Raise your voice for Peace and Justice at every opportunity You are given. Don’t let your next chance pass You by. It might be your last.
Blame it on my fundamentalist xtian upbringing. My grade school classrooms were the basement of the church/cult and a large industrial trailer in the parking lot that was subdivided into small rooms for the generally three to seven students per class. We were taught that all signs confirmed those were the prophesied end days and the savior would return before i graduated high school to rapture away true believers who had their hearts “right with the lord.”
Graduated public high school nearly forty years ago.
Punchline-mail addressed to Jesus Christ has been delivered to my home.
If I am certain of anything regarding war- in addition to calling dead children "collateral damage" is indicative of a sick heart- it is that everybody should read it. I believe you would share many times.
Well that makes me wish i had shouted a bit more than “Who would Jesus bomb?” in that church that day!
It is nice to think Twain would have been proud of me that day. Wish i had told Kurt about my war church experience. He would have probably approved as well.
That is quite a piece, The War Prayer. Oh that people would think through their words. Or think before uttering. I fail, myself, plenty, so know firsthand that sometimes it's just best to STFU. Be well.
Don’t know The War Prayer but will look it up. Thank You.
Have You read The Worst Addiction Of Them All by Kurt Vonnegut?
For Kurt’s 84th Birthday i sent him a copy of Poetry out of Communist China signed by the author Huang Xiang who was staying at a safe house near me. There was a poem in the collection titled I See A War that i thought Kurt would appreciate. Maybe it was called I Hear A War. Kurt wrote back that “Poetry Out Of Communist China is a lulu!”
I get what you’re saying and I agree with you. The thing is I live with my elderly father after my husband died in 2019 and after working at my job for 26 years. He is a peace time veteran. He was in the Marines for 3 years and I would gladly had done what you’re saying but out of respect for him(he has many friends in the tractor club)I couldn’t do that. At the end of the prayer, however, I didn’t say amen because I didn’t agree with it. Most of the people in tractor club are I would guess Christian conservatives. My Dad is atheist, however, but has always worked with farming equipment.
My comment and tale of reaching the limit of exasperation with religion was in no way intended to shame You.
My outspoken confrontation of religious hypocrisy is the result of the psychological, emotional, educational, sociological and physical abuse endured during my fundamentalist xtian cult upbringing.
Would never wish You to have endured what drove me to this point.
I have more than a few choice words for the “god” i was raised to love and fear out of fear for not loving or fearing enough or properly.
There are also a few things i would like to talk about with the Christ my grade school church/cult basement classroom teachers insisted would return and rapture away all believers before i graduated high school. All signs pointed to fulfillment of biblical prophecy that those were the “end days”.
Graduated high school nearly forty years ago.
Mail addressed to Jesus Christ is delivered to my home address.
I unpleasantly discovered some disturbing truths about several of my husband’s relatives. This is hardly the Bible Belt, but there are foolish Evangelicals here just the same.
I have permanently cut ties with them. They are no longer welcome, or allowed in, my home. Once I cut ties with someone, it’s permanent; I have done so on several occasions, and never looked back nor had any regrets.
I was born and raised in Alabama and came of age during the worst of the segregation turmoil. My college roommate was so angry with me for saying that black people should have basic civil rights that he threatened to send the Klan to deal with me. Our people are too easily swayed by propaganda. If you do decide to try to educate them, the most effective way might be to point out the economic advantages that Israel will receive from ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Israel will be able to receive all the royalties from offshore natural gas and will be able to proceed with a replacement for the Suez Canal.
Jewish Zionist are holding the holocaust over everyones heads..have battered them with quilt reparations till Americans on the whole side with Apartheid Israel ..same people that cheered on Iraqi "freedom" murder,,, same people who think we should bomb the entire middle east ,same people that claim its saving women in burkas to kill Muslims, same people that prattle on and on about communism but don't even know what any of it means same people that bolt a TV one way lie machine to every bare wall in their house and all the while they wave a flag for the military industrial complex...the sad part for me is the blind patriotism drilled into their brain stems from birth... These neocon Zionist neolibnerals numpties in this country grew up being brain washed by Hollywood schools and politics and distorted ideology .. they can not fathom the USA started the Russian proxy war, they cant fathom the deep state exists, they can't fathom all main stream media like FOX news CNN etc are all the same mind control agencies.. Public education has ruined their perceptions of reality.. And there will be no push back from them at all... they still think Arabs are terrorists because they got told that over and over by the leaders of this bigoted mindless western imperialist hellscape...
Sylvia, I am a Christian. Anyone claiming to be a Christian who is not outraged by Zionist Barbarism, Brutality and Genocide against the Palestinians is either a HERETIC or a victim of doctrine of demons Zionist Legerdemain. Please print the following graphics to as big a size as possible, make posters of one or both, and tape one or both to the front door door(s) of your Tractor Club (and their church if possible) . You will then learn who the people of good will are and who the ANTI-christians are:
Zionist Netanyahu and his morally bankrupt Israeli supporters will REAP what they have SOWN.
📢 Ezekiel, Habakkuk and Isaiah CONDEMN IDF Genocide in Gaza and predict Israel's consequent DESTRUCTION by MANY nations.
Heh…Che….I wasn’t born a redneck (I was raised in a relatively cultured atmosphere thanks to my father). I had to evolve into redneck-ism!
Right now I’m trying to talk a friend into selling me her little buckskin Morgan. She’s only 14 hands but big enough for me nonetheless (my Angelina was 15 hands.) It’ll take some doin’ but I’m givin’ it my best shot and oh yeah, you’re welcome to come give her a spin if I get her!
It’s sad, but you got a point. I believe she could probably point to Israel on a map, though. She knows the Bible pretty well. This is similar to the people in February 2022 who were putting Ukrainian flags on their twitter pages or on their front porches, saying Slave Ukraine. Those same people couldn’t point to Ukraine on a map either and probably were ok with it as long as they didn’t have to shed their blood being thrown into the meat grinder.😢
You guys! This was a great conversation. Thank you for having it in public. We all have a lot to learn about cohesion and community, since the Elites have instituted a savage (narcissistic) individualism that has nearly destroyed The People. Of the people, by the people for the people. Thank you for working on it so honestly and without resorting to “nice”. Gawd how I hate “nice”.
I am a very tough old bird but you make me cry. I believe in the power of prayer to change things and to change us. Those of us in the Caitlin sphere have different spiritual or religious beliefs but we share our humanity.
As for the paltry sum you mentioned it isn’t paltry if it’s all we have. Jesus praised the widow for her tiny gift and said it was greater than those that had given large gifts because she gave out of her poverty but others gave out of their abundance.
Please do not look away Caitlin and keep encouraging us not to either. Thank you for your inspiration and sharing your heart with us.
Lowell, I love this story in the bible—it was my mother’s life. Devastating poverty after marrying a drunk and having 6 alcoholic kids, but still giving what she could to those who had less! She graduated summa cum laud from HighSchool in 1929 without a means to earn money. So she scrubbed floors for neighbors and bore her embarrassment and anxiety and isolation by reading her daily devotional every night. When I was about 14, she finally owned a car and could get to bible study at the Congregation Church. One night she came home and I said how was it and she said “you know, you could spend your whole life just trying to live by the Sermon on The Mount, never mind everything else he said.” Now THAT is a Christian. I’m not anymore but I love her so much I can hardly wait til I reincarnate so I can see her again! That’s my faith.
This is what I think is the important part -- what we *do*. Some people are immobilized by horror. I think if you asked a Palestinian (and I know quite a few), "would you rather that we force ourselves to watch TV/IG all day to witness your people's suffering, or get down to the demonstration, to our city council meeting, meet with our reps, raise our voices, try to stop funding this ongoing massacre and giving cover to Israeli lies, because we are clear enough what is being done... well, I think we'd agree on the answer. Not everyone can do both.
Caitlin may not have those latter options because she's an Aussie. As an "American," I do, which means they are my obligation, which I am working to regularly fulfill.
What I will revise this to for myself is not, "I will not look away," but "I will not give up."
I’ve held the hand of my husband, my father and my grandmother at the end of their lives. It brought me some comfort and hopefully them too. This genocide is not comparable. I didn’t watch them blown to bits, obliterated or crushed to death for no reason except for their ethnic origin. This is horrific and I can’t believe I am complicit in this as an American. The blood on our hands cannot ever be washed away.
You're not complicit because you are an American. I am also, and in no way will I shoulder the blame for the carnage my country implements. I have never lived my life supporting war and destruction, and I will not take on their sins and lighten their burden.
Well that’s nice for you. Glad you don’t have to feel any guilt over the comfortable life you live because our dollar is the currency of the world, you can buy all the heat and gas you need because our military makes sure we steal it properly, your clothes are warm and your shoes fit because we own all the sweat shops around the world and prices are therefore cheap, that you don’t go to sleep hungry because we can force the global south to slave in the fields for us—especially for our drug of choice—Starbucks, and that you pay for the bombs that tear Palestinians limb from limb because you dutifully pay your taxes extra year. Jesus, woman. You lighten their burden by being so utterly stupid and complicit. And you make it hard to be a feminist.
Not even a little. The fact that you can wave around how hard you worked as justification for your privilege is proof that you have never done any analysis of how the society is rigged in your favor. You are an apologist for the system that CREATED Israel. And Ukraine. And Neocons and Shitlibs. And Killary. No handouts for you? God, that is so White Trash, esp after I just documented your handouts. Believe me, I don’t hate the US, in fact I love it. It’s the Empire that privileges narcissistic nincompoops like you that makes me want to puke. And by the way—who DIDN'T work their way thru college? It’s no great accomplishment. The fact that you think that’s some sort of badge of honor shows how completely brainwashed you are, probably by the very college you’re so proud of having worked your way through!
The UN Special Council today voted for a ceasefire in Gaza 14-1-1. The US voted no and the UK abstained. The world sees what’s going on and are not looking away .
Exactly. And he did. Apparently it’s a doctrine of the chosen people—called the Samson Option. You kill your own if it will hurt the enemy. No wonder Israelis are paranoid!!! See Scott Ritter for details.
Omygod! That man makes me weep for joy! He’s a bit bloodthirsty sometimes when he describes what Hamas will do to the IDF but it soothes my soul to hear him say Hamas will triumph. I’m so sick of the Palestinians being slaughtered by the Nazis, I mean Zionists. Nice to know we have a sisterly lust for the boy!!!
O dear. Your ignorance is staggering. The “ceasefire” was that the Palestinians were silently dying in their concentration camp while Israel was making peace with Saudi Arabia.
What happened on October 6th was the opening salvo of a revolution against Israel. This is a war to remove the death grip Israel has had on Gaza for 17 years and Israel appears determined to push the Palestinians into Egypt or into their graves. Whether you support Israel’s aggression or Palestinian’s resistance is a matter of personal ethics and, perhaps, loyalty to a particular group.
And especially as the occupiers were doing all the shooting before Oct 7th. Children, women, old men and dogs. Go back and look at the “paper of record” over the last 10 years.
My brother and his late wife traveled the world, and Scotland was above and beyond her favorite place…she always referred to it as “Bonnie Scotland “ 🙂
The obsession with giving people labels and assuming identities and tribes such as 'Jewish' or 'English' is itself divisive and unhelpful.
My buddhist learning is to dis-identify with my own identities that i unconsciously follow as to how i should be as eg a woman or a white person . It is certainly not helpful to extend that identity to a group of people who have lived in the same area for a certain number of years (though all thoroughly genetically mixed- in the 1st ministers case and my own) as applying to me.
All culture, traditions, judgements, tribes and identities are unhelpful social and pyschological survival constructs of the ego.
'Identity politics' chops us up into convenient little political pieces or clumps that are more easily ruthlessly & cynically managed by the ruling class hiding as ever behind the curtain. 'Divide & rule' has been tried & tested many a time and the results are visible all around us and I suggest the results are always nasty. I personally loathe 'Identity politics' for the damage it has done and continues to do to us. I recognise the individuality and inter-relatedness of all of us humans but that's about it. We should concentrate on important issues that affect us generally. All 'identities' will benefit then. To do this requires direct democracy or Parliament of the Streets where village meetings are held that are open to all to decide what's what at a local level and, if required, with 21st c. networkable technology to discuss issues of more regional, national and international importance. A more centralised administration appropriate to the task would organise the work to carry out the Peoples' will. We do not even need politicians let alone the disgusting heaps of bankster-owned garbage called political parties.
Right on. Divide and rule is absolutely what they're doing. I'm not sure where Matt Taibbi views on others things are going but his 'Hate Inc' was very good- the 'opposition' (whoever they chose to make it) are literally Hitler. Keeps us clicking on social media to make money for advertising.
The absurdity and danger of identity politics is further brought into sharp focus by people being able to cross physical and genetic boundaries and seemingly become what they are not. Male sex offenders are allowed to identify as women to avoid being beaten up in male prisons as well as being given access to the vulnerable in women's prisons who they can then assault.
One can also identify presumably as Jewish or anything one wished- even easier to do as there are no physical or genetic barriers.
We are all human beings. Even most of what genetically makes a human is not human, it's bacterial. A human, let alone the Earth, is a collective of species.
We don't need 'ishes' 'ists' nor 'ians', it's helpful to recognise the non-separation of everything.
Spot on though it would be hard for a bloke to wave about an uncircumcised willy while claiming to be a Jew! Speaking of religion & willies, I recommend viewing this meme here on my timeline! Lol!! https://x.com/DomeLord/status/1733433950855467213?s=20
georgie&donny—-Your thing about men in women’s prisons is the 1st time I’ve heard you succumb to doubtful information perpetrated by the elites to divide the People. We can have all the ists and ians we want as long as we don’t think ours is the one true ist! Not tolerating diversity is the sign of an insecure ego and it has no place in humanitarian politics.
I like your ideas but I also believe in identity politics. They are often necessary to ward off the righteous white boys who think that their cause is everyone’s cause. I’ve never seen any white male group take on rape or abortion as issues worth mentioning in their rush to overthrow the current bunch of white males. We need cooperation among groups, not all of us being subsumed under one banner.
As one considered a white nationalist and is a male, I, AND EVERY WHITE MALE I PERSONALLY KNOW, abhors rape. Personally, I also abhor abortion as casual birth control and all men, white or otherwise, who are enabled to screw/abandon women at will for their own selfish pleasure. I cannot speak for every white male because I do not know all of them. Many love abortion because it frees them to abuse women at will.I view these men to be as abhorrent as anybody. Identity politics is rife with abuse and denies individuality. It used to be called bigotry and it still is bihotry.
Throughout history, many oppressed groups have been motivated to resist and become independent precisely because they perceived marked differences between themselves as a group and their oppressors as a group. The Ulster Scots immigrants to colonial America were one such group. They had been economically oppressed by English landlords in Ulster, and in the Carolinas the Ulster Scots fought fiercely for American independence. The flaw in your world view is that passionately identifying with a group is a natural human trait that was undoubtedly favored by natural selection. Such identification goes back in our evolutionary lineage at least to Chimpanzees, who have territorial conflicts between bands. Group identity and group conflict are facts of life.
In the modern world, what matters is the motivation and goals of the leadership of a nation or ethnic group. Those can be easily deduced if a person avoids mainstream news propaganda and studies history. The goals of the USA and Israel are what are "unhelpful."
And the proud descendants of survivors of the Holocaust have made an entire industry out of this identity. What about the oppressors? Is it helpful do you think to take on board the guilt or not?
Yes outside of the group or tribe the individual will die. Trouble is we now live in cities and can survive happily on our own or more accurately with the support of neighbours who aren't the same as us. The tribal identities are deliberately formed and stirred up online.
I did not give myself the label Buddhist. I don't have to, and don't, accept anything anyone calling themselves Buddhist says or does.
Also, it seems to me that England had a robust pro Palestine movement operating in London when most of the conscientious in the US couldn’t locate Gaza on the map, let alone advocate for its right to exist.
I really don't care that he thinks Scottish people are more honest than the English. He can think what he likes.
But when someone brings into the conversation an experience (or projection) that, for example, the Arabs or Jews they've met have been dirty, it's helpful for us all to shine a light at it.
"Fuck off" from a Buddhist. Interesting. I must suppose that you are Enlightened because a Zen teacher advised a pupil thusly, "If you are a true man, you may drive off the farmer's oxen and burn the farmer's barn." True in this context means enlightened.
What is so disturbing is that Israel is hiding behind the cries of anti-Semitism and playing their forever victim hand. Indeed they were victims in the millions, but it seems to make it worse to think they are implementing an agenda that once tried to destroy them.
Biden will go down as someone who supported all our wars and all the millions of deaths incurred. He is a bastard and always has been. If one knows about his political career it reeks of lying and opportunism. Antisemitism is always pulled out when ever Israel or the Jewish people need it to bolster their case even when they are slaughtering thousands of people based on their obvious prejudices. If these where white Christians residing in Gaza it would never be tolerated, and they would be confronted with their deplorable savagery. The reason they got Palestine as their homeland was the result of WWI where white colonial powers killed each other off in the millions and the Ottoman Empire fell as well. Oh, yeah said Balfour give the land of Palestine to the Jews after all Palestinians, well, are they white, and Christian, no, so perfect. That's what this is all about and why Israel can engage in a genocide and the US with a similar prejudicial history which it obviously continues to this day is also comfortable with genocide. Who do you think were called up in WWI in America, immigrants, most not considered white, like Italians, Poles, and of course Blacks.
Well, my mother, an anti-Zionist, predicted what you see going on now, and it would be the end of us. It was a kind of obsession of hers. I use to think she was over doing it a bit, but now not so much. The neocon agenda is helping to push all of this. Read about them since they are very much a part of the Biden administration, and slipped on over to the old man during the Trump years. Read the Project for a New American Century and their agenda, as well as those that signed on to it, and that will help make our policies much clearer. I know many wars preceded our 21st century wars, but right now it's really scary especially with old Joe at the helm, and the neocons who have his ear, a man who always loved and pushed our many wars.
Those who refer to dead children as "collateral damage" do not need to look away for a different reason. They aren't seeing dead children, but a wartime equivalent of mangled products of conception.
It would be unconscionable to look away! My disgust at Biden/ US increases for their looking away from Israel’s deliberate murder of Palestinians. Looking away seems to be a U.S. policy.
I want to put the full blame where it belongs and that is on Israel, especially Netanyhu, but your right the US is more culpable then I initially thought. What has made it so bad is the neocon agenda which has become ours, and it is one of death and destruction. It motivated all our Middle Eastern wars which killed and displaced millions, and now is supporting this carnage. I am surprised that CNN, and MSNBC, not FOX, are showing pictures of the deaths and destruction which is a good thing and makes it much harder for people to look away or ignore the reality of the barbarism being inflicted. It's more godless, because they are directly targeting the civilian population, men, women, children. Yet our senile president who has always supported our many wars gives his full support to Israel. It's not his senility that makes him a monster, since he has even pushed war down the throats of his fellow democrats through out the 21st century wars, and before.
"Bethlehem, long revered as the birthplace of Jesus, is in the Israeli-occupied West Bank. And as the war between Israel and Hamas continues, Christian leaders in Bethlehem say the city will skip Christmas festivities this year in solidarity with the people of Gaza." That's the Christmas spirit.
✨ Agreed.
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Ezekiel, Habakkuk and Isaiah CONDEMN Zionist Genocide in Gaza and predict Zionist DESTRUCTION by MANY nations.
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Thanks for the links.
I love them.
I am coming to believe that the greatest blame falls on those who are charged with holding monsters to account but fail to act.
Thats not belief thats just truth & it’s always so. The vow “Never again “means all humanity no one gets to stand by w/o being complicit
The Genocide convention needs to be activated.
Israel would kill the Palestinians with rocks, clubs and their bare hands even if America didn’t furnish them with weapons to inexplicable to describe. I’m not sure anything will stop them even if the will existed.
There are already more then 6 thousand Palestinian children dead, and more likely thousands more that lie buried under the rubble. Hospitals are often ill equipped to deal with their injuries and too often no family members for comfort, since they have been killed. It's difficult to listen to, but I force myself. I have no doubt, far too many people see Palestinians, Muslims, as less then and they simply don't care. Don't care that there are children being slaughtered. I've heard people express that very sentiment.
Respect Caitlin. My heart aches for the suffering being inflicted on the people of Palestine and the cruel indifference and dismissal by our governments in the west. The power of your writing, the love and commitment, motivates me to continue to witness, endure and speak out against the Palestinian genocide.
NO ONE should ever look away. In my part of the world which is small communities in southern Alabama, a lot of people just talk about Oct. 7th, 2023 and how we need to pray and support Israel. I witnessed it this evening at a Christmas party I attended with my Dad. The man in our tractor club who said the prayer mentioned Oct.7th and Israel like Israel is suffering only, no mention of the Palestinians who are the real victims and the ones being massacred every day. When will my country stop siding with Israel?! Why does Israel get a pass, but when the SMO began last year in February 2022 it was all Russia/Putin is a war criminal with no evidence to back it up, but with Gaza there is mountains of evidence of war crimes committed by Israel and these sorry leaders in the West and yes, a lot of Americans I’m sad to say, go on and on about poor Israel?! It’s disgusting and pathetic. One of my friends at the party, who is Evangelical, even said she wanted a blue and white decorated Christmas tree in honor of Israel. I just don’t understand it and I guess I never will. As for me I will continue to support the people of Gaza and all people who are oppressed just like I would if I lived during the time of the Holocaust. America has a hang up when it comes to WW2, yet our leaders won’t even admit that it was the former Soviet Union who did most of the fighting against the Nazis. 😢☮️
In the US, this may be part of the reason that some side with Israel: The UN Security Council held an emergency meeting Friday morning New York time to discuss the catastrophic situation in Gaza. This follows Wednesday’s urgent letter by Secretary-General António Guterres – one of the most powerful tools at his disposal – urging the body to help end carnage in the war-battered enclave through a lasting humanitarian ceasefire. A resolution tabled late afternoon in the chamber calling for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire was vetoed by the United States.
Emergency powers are clearly required to over-rule the Security Council. Time for a UN Extraordinary General Meeting to discuss changing the UN constitution if such power doesn't already exist like it should.
The signers of the Declaration of Independence tells us how to deal with the UN while listing grievances against KGIII: He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation. [We may infer that we should disregard such.]
Genocide Joe has already lost my important swing state of Michigan, with its hundreds of thousands of Arab-Americans.
I couldn’t be happier.
There’s also about 10 big enclaves of Arabs in the US and when I read where they were I was struck by how swing statey they were. I’m so glad. We don’t deserve it but maybe the people we have so abused since 9/11 will turn the tide in ‘24.
Jeano, I’m pretty confident that it will. I just hope they vote third party!
I hope they all vote for Rashida. She won’t win, but it doesn’t really matter who wins in my humble fucking opinion, the security state will win. I just want to see solidarity. We’re headed for a major collapse, both economically and diplomatically and I don’t think either party will be able to govern. So organizing into coalitions and getting used to disruption is the next step. I sort of feel like we’re at a new Revolutionary War time but it will have a lot of online rebellion and be more worldwide.
This is WWIII.
Except Trump would be worse. One of his first steps in office was to call for a "Muslim ban'
No fan of Trump here, by a long shot. But how could he possibly be worse?
He moved the capital of Israel to Jerusalem and moved our embassy there, making that multi religious site Jewish dominant.
That’s one of the many reasons I’m no fan of Trump, Jeano!
The D’s and Rs will NEVER offer us anyone worthy of voting for.
Also no fan of Trump but Not possible hed be worse ,especially with war ,he was far better. Hard to realize how far in the shitter the politicians have sunk us all especially the president
He did not call for a Muslim ban. Are you lying or mistaken? Not sure how language works? Language has very specific rules.
No, he did call for a Muslim ban. 2015 or so. He also called for surveillance of all mosques. The guy is just a talented con man, just as controlled by the security state as Biden is.
If he did, there would be video.
Just like how he said "some Nazis are good people." There would be video.
Oh yes he did. And continues to do so as well as deporting many who are here legally!
Who is continuing to deport many here legally? And why are they being deported?
From The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/
President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,” while expressing sympathy for their demonstration against the removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. It was a strikingly different message from the prepared statement he had delivered on Monday, and a reversion to his initial response over the weekend. [Find me the video of him saying "that 'white nationalists' are fine people." This is also an example of disingenuous people using language improperly. Is every white person who is a nationalist a "white nationalist" with all of the implications that the press is attaching to that combinations of words? If I support my country generally and am white, does that make me a "white nationalist" in the context implied?"
ABC News video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxHlrskaFuY
"...defending some of the people who marched with torches," says the reporter. Cut to Trump, "You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.
So, was Trump referring to people who marched with torches as the reporter says, those pictured? Or was it just people who did not want the statues down? This is why I want to see the whole video, not just what some reporter says he said and followed by video snippets. He suggests that it is possible that Washington and Jefferson statues may come down. They are both subjects of negative talk these days; their statues may indeed come down.
You may not believe this, but President Trump is occasionally portrayed as something he is not. And by many sides, as there are not just two sides.
for anyone that might be falling for this retardation, here's your sign
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLgTF8FrYlU
https://www.cato.org/blog/dozen-times-trump-equated-travel-ban-muslim-ban
Excellent. Thank you hiero. You’re MY hero!
Well, damn, Video.
I must admit I was wrong about video. I was thinking about the extreme vetting policy regarding people from some countries, so must confess my words were terrible, and from someone who is so exacting about words. I am chagrined.
Did non-Muslims from any of these countries get subjected to the same vetting? Or was it just Muslims? My memory was that there were certain nations involved, regardless the words.
By the way, do you have video of before and after this stretch of video that would demonstrate that Trump wasn't just reading a statement that someone wrote about him. There are many lies told about him...such as the "some nazis are fine people," and I'd like to know that when he says that "Donald Trump is calling for..." that he's not reading some false statement written by a member of an unfriendly press and this little snippet does not help that way.
Thanks and I apologize.
You may be correct but no wars started on his watch i think? & BELIEVE ME when i say i do not like the man. NYC Has been my stomping grounds since i could ditch in the 70s tool over 5 min to the Bronx as a free range teen & LIVE. He was a mean rich arrogant realtor from hell then tossing out old folks & being the A hole Donald is but 🤷♀️id take that over this. I DONT SEE HOW HED BE WORSE ? Censorship, mandates & shutdown part dux ,or like all out fascist in power tanks in neighborhoods , oaying for MORE genocide?
Did you mean to reply to Mike?
The system isnt run by president or party anymore. We have zero input if we arent in the streets disrupting their Commerce 24/7 the wallets , pockets ,markets assets ,the ”value” of their commodities & resources is the ONLY LANGUAGE THEY SPEAK. & it is ENTIRELY INVENTED & if WE DONT PLAY IT MELTS AWAY LIKE CAKE IN THE RAIN. This action WILL EFFECT US ALL & We will suffer but not even close to Genocede so . WHO ARE WE? Slaves to this Bankers wet dream ? Now its by choice if we stay silent .Dont know about anyone else but I cant enjoy shit if it is materalized from charring babies & patients recovering in hospitals any atrocities,just because its far away & been hidden propagandized that is IRRELEVANT ,THIS IS REAL,AN ATROCITY,ON OUR WATCH, FINANCED BY US. Like lockdowns It will be awful , or maybe we face worse? but if we know we profit & prosper only on the backs & suffering & death of fellow humans what is worse? Your humanity v/s less garbage ( you Never needed) in your fake ass (consumer life)🥸experience ? That was sold to you? I CANT STOMACH IT. I CANT AVERT MY GAZE. I WONT. 🤷♀️NO MORE 🤬WE HAVE BLOOD SOAKED HANDS IN GENOCIDE! 🥹How many sins/ atrocities JUST SINCE Vietnam are we complicit in? but if were in Solidarity w/ ea other we getbout of this mess alive. Try & access our small local, ie. Family,church, temple, school🤷♀️(insert decent people here) they are everywhere just prod a bit. we or just you or I can start something good ,build good works with old school style grass roots organizing and stop this system. but for now WE MUST FIND AN END TO THE CARNAGE. IMMEDIATELY Every minute is death & suffering for more victims of our GREEDY CRIMINAL RIGGED SYSTEM .we are pathetic condemned cowards if we do nothing.DO NOT LOOK AWAY🙏❤️🔥☮️
God bless ,be kind ,try like mad to see :”could be us but for the grace...” Luck,universe ,god ?🙏☮️
81,000,000 "American voters" disagree.
Or maybe they agree and wanna see WW III.
We shall see.
A BIG reason behind the bias you describe is of course racism. The Israel lobby has gone to enormous lengths over the years to portray itself as a Western country, populated by white people with modern, liberal values just like their allies. Hanukah is presented as the Jewish Christmas, often by very presentable mouthpieces like Brooke Goldstein. On the other hand, Islam, Arabs, Muslims, Palestinians have been presented as terrorists, nut jobs, haters of women and gay people, towel heads, camel fuckers, barbaric scum. They are not white. They are not like us. They are not human...or an old and obsolete type of human that needs to be removed from the gene pool. So great is this cultural pressure that it's tempting to go along with it. Until you realise that it is highly exclusive. Left to its own devices, Zionism aligns with racist, classist, imperial supremacy that suits a tiny proportion of the world's peoples. The rest of us can go to hell.
Not only is it highly exclusive, it robs us of the opportunity to understand the world from a wider perspective
Their agenda is also very political. Our White House is stoked piled with neocons and they are pushing their agenda, now an American agenda, of world wide hegemony. It was on full display through all our middle eastern wars planned long before we even went after bin Laden in Afghanistan. They said they could pull it off and all they would need is a New Pearl Harbor, and along comes 9/11. There are people who believe it was an orchestrated event to provide the New Pearl Harbor they needed to set us on the path of all our many Middle Eastern wars. I don't know, never really got into it. Funny though how Netanyahu got his Pearl Harbor in an attack by Hamas which lends justification for what he has always wanted, that is the expulsion of the Palestinians and a one state solution called Israel.
Hi Nizami
Reminds me of Amerikkkan reactions to the Ukrainians.
“But….they’re so much like us! They have blonde hair and blue eyes! They even watch Netflix!”
Did you see the mehdi Hassan coverage of how the Palestinian girl tamemi was picked up by the west...until they realised she wasn’t a Ukrainian girl slapping a Russian soldier, she is Palestinian slapping Israeli soldier? At that point she was promptly dropped.
Yes, I saw! And recognized her immediately as Ahed Tamimi.
She is now in a Zioprison, btw.
FREE AHED
Americans are simple minded, and they think about the old testament: David and Goliath. The Israelites, God's chosen people. They learned so much of this in Sunday School. Indoctrination. Thus, I am an atheist.
I’m Pagan myself, Aleta. I believe that Nature is the only Higher Power.
What kind of just and merciful “god” would allow such suffering worldwide? War? Starvation?
There IS no “god” and the Bible is just a big book of horror stories.
The Scofield Bible commentary is held responsible by many for huge confusion in Christianity. It is used by the Zionists to herd as many gullible cattle-people as is possible into the intensely dystopian and downright oxymoronic world of 'Christian Zionism' complete with the 'Rapture' spiel as the icing on the illusory & dissonant cake. [sigh]
The Vatican has given enough proof over the years of who they really are
...and what an utterly shocking litany that is! Start with the First Council of Nicaea...
Well I am a simple man I will start with Santa Claus and the Easter bunny!
I do not believe in the Hollywood rapture!
But I do have faith in Jesus!
No way I escape death this many times without reason. That is my journey!
That is my faith!
Good for you, Tippy. Personal faith is very powerful and putting it out for others to comment on takes courage. My faith doesn’t have a definition—I just heard my higher power speak in my head saying “I am here.” For me she’s female and I call her Ma. But I like Jesus, and Buddha and Loa Zhu and the I Ching and Seth Speaks and yoga and tarot and astrology. Faith is faith is faith. It’s like a muscle—exercise it and it gets stronger, and truly does help us escape death. Happy trails to you.
Americans are.....
Australians are......
Israelis are...........
Arabs are........
Blacks are........
Russians are...........
Chinese are.........
I know that I’ve missed quite a few.
You know what you are???
For the record, the fastest growing religious preference in the United Snakes is None of the Above.
Here in Wisconsin, U$A we have the FFRF.
Freedom From Religion Foundation, of which I’m a long, long time member.
Face it, you don’t know shit.
Just like to flap your lips, and mock.....yourself ultimately.
Dang!!! This is great. I agree that glittering generalities used to buttress an opinion, such as So and so’s are….is useless demagoguery. But I like to do it about Yuppies! Now I’ll have to think about it. Damn! 😼🫶
Perhaps the best thing You could have done in the situation with the man praying at your tractor club Xmas party would have been to stand up and voice your objection.
In January 1991 I experienced a VERY traumatic personal experience on the same day the 91 desert storm war began. The following Sunday I -an anti-war activist- strayed from my atheist standing and went to a church wondering if maybe turning to “god” would help. The church pews and altar were covered with red ribbons and the preacher declared it a holy war. he mocked protesters who were demanding peace and an end to the desert storm.
That was too much for me to bear. I stood and shouted “Who would Jesus bomb?” Then I turned and walked down the center aisle leading to the exit repeatedly voicing my exclamation “Who would Jesus bomb?”
That experience confirmed my atheism.
If a god existed that church would have imploded as I walked out the door.
“If god were alive today, he would be an atheist.” Kurt Vonnegut
Raise your voice for Peace and Justice at every opportunity You are given. Don’t let your next chance pass You by. It might be your last.
Good on you, brother.
That takes guts and integrity.
I got beat as a child for questioning the morality/hypocrisy of the holey bibble, especially as concerns killing.
That’s when I figured out I was in the wrong building, being indoctrinated in bs.
If I was a teacher I’d give you an A+++ for real righteousness.
Blame it on my fundamentalist xtian upbringing. My grade school classrooms were the basement of the church/cult and a large industrial trailer in the parking lot that was subdivided into small rooms for the generally three to seven students per class. We were taught that all signs confirmed those were the prophesied end days and the savior would return before i graduated high school to rapture away true believers who had their hearts “right with the lord.”
Graduated public high school nearly forty years ago.
Punchline-mail addressed to Jesus Christ has been delivered to my home.
Congratulations on breaking free!
Brother S, I LOVE what you did! You are one right-on brother!
Thank You.
Have you read The War Prayer?
If I am certain of anything regarding war- in addition to calling dead children "collateral damage" is indicative of a sick heart- it is that everybody should read it. I believe you would share many times.
Mark Twain!!
Well that makes me wish i had shouted a bit more than “Who would Jesus bomb?” in that church that day!
It is nice to think Twain would have been proud of me that day. Wish i had told Kurt about my war church experience. He would have probably approved as well.
That is quite a piece, The War Prayer. Oh that people would think through their words. Or think before uttering. I fail, myself, plenty, so know firsthand that sometimes it's just best to STFU. Be well.
Don’t know The War Prayer but will look it up. Thank You.
Have You read The Worst Addiction Of Them All by Kurt Vonnegut?
For Kurt’s 84th Birthday i sent him a copy of Poetry out of Communist China signed by the author Huang Xiang who was staying at a safe house near me. There was a poem in the collection titled I See A War that i thought Kurt would appreciate. Maybe it was called I Hear A War. Kurt wrote back that “Poetry Out Of Communist China is a lulu!”
Have not read it; will put it on the list. Thank you.
I get what you’re saying and I agree with you. The thing is I live with my elderly father after my husband died in 2019 and after working at my job for 26 years. He is a peace time veteran. He was in the Marines for 3 years and I would gladly had done what you’re saying but out of respect for him(he has many friends in the tractor club)I couldn’t do that. At the end of the prayer, however, I didn’t say amen because I didn’t agree with it. Most of the people in tractor club are I would guess Christian conservatives. My Dad is atheist, however, but has always worked with farming equipment.
My comment and tale of reaching the limit of exasperation with religion was in no way intended to shame You.
My outspoken confrontation of religious hypocrisy is the result of the psychological, emotional, educational, sociological and physical abuse endured during my fundamentalist xtian cult upbringing.
Would never wish You to have endured what drove me to this point.
I have more than a few choice words for the “god” i was raised to love and fear out of fear for not loving or fearing enough or properly.
There are also a few things i would like to talk about with the Christ my grade school church/cult basement classroom teachers insisted would return and rapture away all believers before i graduated high school. All signs pointed to fulfillment of biblical prophecy that those were the “end days”.
Graduated high school nearly forty years ago.
Mail addressed to Jesus Christ is delivered to my home address.
A word from “god”?
Hi Sylvia
I unpleasantly discovered some disturbing truths about several of my husband’s relatives. This is hardly the Bible Belt, but there are foolish Evangelicals here just the same.
I have permanently cut ties with them. They are no longer welcome, or allowed in, my home. Once I cut ties with someone, it’s permanent; I have done so on several occasions, and never looked back nor had any regrets.
I was born and raised in Alabama and came of age during the worst of the segregation turmoil. My college roommate was so angry with me for saying that black people should have basic civil rights that he threatened to send the Klan to deal with me. Our people are too easily swayed by propaganda. If you do decide to try to educate them, the most effective way might be to point out the economic advantages that Israel will receive from ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Israel will be able to receive all the royalties from offshore natural gas and will be able to proceed with a replacement for the Suez Canal.
Jewish Zionist are holding the holocaust over everyones heads..have battered them with quilt reparations till Americans on the whole side with Apartheid Israel ..same people that cheered on Iraqi "freedom" murder,,, same people who think we should bomb the entire middle east ,same people that claim its saving women in burkas to kill Muslims, same people that prattle on and on about communism but don't even know what any of it means same people that bolt a TV one way lie machine to every bare wall in their house and all the while they wave a flag for the military industrial complex...the sad part for me is the blind patriotism drilled into their brain stems from birth... These neocon Zionist neolibnerals numpties in this country grew up being brain washed by Hollywood schools and politics and distorted ideology .. they can not fathom the USA started the Russian proxy war, they cant fathom the deep state exists, they can't fathom all main stream media like FOX news CNN etc are all the same mind control agencies.. Public education has ruined their perceptions of reality.. And there will be no push back from them at all... they still think Arabs are terrorists because they got told that over and over by the leaders of this bigoted mindless western imperialist hellscape...
Sylvia, I am a Christian. Anyone claiming to be a Christian who is not outraged by Zionist Barbarism, Brutality and Genocide against the Palestinians is either a HERETIC or a victim of doctrine of demons Zionist Legerdemain. Please print the following graphics to as big a size as possible, make posters of one or both, and tape one or both to the front door door(s) of your Tractor Club (and their church if possible) . You will then learn who the people of good will are and who the ANTI-christians are:
Zionist Netanyahu and his morally bankrupt Israeli supporters will REAP what they have SOWN.
📢 Ezekiel, Habakkuk and Isaiah CONDEMN IDF Genocide in Gaza and predict Israel's consequent DESTRUCTION by MANY nations.
https://soberthinking.createaforum.com/gallery/soberthinking/1-081223211346.png
Netanyahu's Genocide of Palestinians
https://soberthinking.createaforum.com/gallery/soberthinking/1-071223122332.png
Does the Bible Entitle Zionist Israel to the Promised Land According to the Book of Numbers? NO. WHY NOT?
https://soberthinking.createaforum.com/sound-christian-doctrine/christian-teachings/msg1509/#msg1509
"in the boondocks" there is no shortage of the same dipshittery among the average American in the cities
Right! Imagine Noo Yawk City 😁
Er… Che…let’s go easy on us rural folks 😉
I may be a redneck farm girl, but I didn’t just fall off the turnip truck!
AMEN!!👍👏😊
You lucky dog! Gypsy—if Che gets to come there I want to too!!!! 🤗🥳🤩
Heh…Che….I wasn’t born a redneck (I was raised in a relatively cultured atmosphere thanks to my father). I had to evolve into redneck-ism!
Right now I’m trying to talk a friend into selling me her little buckskin Morgan. She’s only 14 hands but big enough for me nonetheless (my Angelina was 15 hands.) It’ll take some doin’ but I’m givin’ it my best shot and oh yeah, you’re welcome to come give her a spin if I get her!
Omygod! A buckskin Morgan. Some kind of perfection.
Che, I’ll do a painting if she ever IS mine! Her current owner is very much on the fence as to whether she wants to sell 🙁
“But you are not a blinkered idiot.”
Be nice Che!!!
It’s snowin’ and gettin’ dark here.
Hope it’s nice where you are, amigo.
It’s sad, but you got a point. I believe she could probably point to Israel on a map, though. She knows the Bible pretty well. This is similar to the people in February 2022 who were putting Ukrainian flags on their twitter pages or on their front porches, saying Slave Ukraine. Those same people couldn’t point to Ukraine on a map either and probably were ok with it as long as they didn’t have to shed their blood being thrown into the meat grinder.😢
You’re a fucking idiot.
Come to the boondocks, and we’ll give you an education.
You’re pretty quick to paint people with a pretty broad brush.
I was watching the Maidan coup unfold on RT etc, here in the boondocks.
We used to get RT on our community access television, gratis.
But, we’re all ass backwards fools here in the US, right??
I’ve been fighting for the Palestinian cause since 67/68.
How about you??
Johnny cum lately I’d guess.
Just a suggestion.
Unlike you I don’t presume to order people around.
Maybe take a little break from typing your tripe, and spend some time reflecting on what comes out of your mind/mouth.
You might end up talking your shit to the wrong person someday, and wind up with a fist full of regrets.
It happens baby.
I don’t want that for you or them.
I realize that this online thing gives people big brass balls.
But, I’d expect better from you, given the handle you’ve adopted.
Maybe change your name.
I’d love to be friends.
I share your views a lot, lot, lot.
I am ancient, and decided to toss my filter in the trash quite a while ago.
I call em like I see em, but am willing to be corrected in my numerous mistakes/misconceptions.
Calling me “Mikey” doesn’t exactly sound like a sincere attempt at friendship, now does it?
It would be like me calling you not-Ernest-o, not-Che.
Typing your size or supposed fighting prowess doesn’t impress me.
I attended gladiator school, with real live killers.
Those dudes don’t type/talk.
They do.
I think that I have pointed out that this shit In Palestine has got me fired up.
Worst thing that’s ever happened in my lifetime, as far as I’m concerned, and I have progeny that has become junkies.
You didn’t/don’t rattle my cage.
I just feel the overwhelming need to call out bs sometimes.
No hard feelings.
But, that’s a two way street.
I wish you well.
You guys! This was a great conversation. Thank you for having it in public. We all have a lot to learn about cohesion and community, since the Elites have instituted a savage (narcissistic) individualism that has nearly destroyed The People. Of the people, by the people for the people. Thank you for working on it so honestly and without resorting to “nice”. Gawd how I hate “nice”.
The precious people of Palestine remind us every day of the collective suffering of all mankind. I weep for them. And I pray.
I am a very tough old bird but you make me cry. I believe in the power of prayer to change things and to change us. Those of us in the Caitlin sphere have different spiritual or religious beliefs but we share our humanity.
As for the paltry sum you mentioned it isn’t paltry if it’s all we have. Jesus praised the widow for her tiny gift and said it was greater than those that had given large gifts because she gave out of her poverty but others gave out of their abundance.
Please do not look away Caitlin and keep encouraging us not to either. Thank you for your inspiration and sharing your heart with us.
Lowell, I love this story in the bible—it was my mother’s life. Devastating poverty after marrying a drunk and having 6 alcoholic kids, but still giving what she could to those who had less! She graduated summa cum laud from HighSchool in 1929 without a means to earn money. So she scrubbed floors for neighbors and bore her embarrassment and anxiety and isolation by reading her daily devotional every night. When I was about 14, she finally owned a car and could get to bible study at the Congregation Church. One night she came home and I said how was it and she said “you know, you could spend your whole life just trying to live by the Sermon on The Mount, never mind everything else he said.” Now THAT is a Christian. I’m not anymore but I love her so much I can hardly wait til I reincarnate so I can see her again! That’s my faith.
A magnificent piece of writing Caitlin. I admit I have started to look away and you have reminded me why I must not.
As with Julian Assange, those who do not look away and prove themselves effective - are taken away . . .
And part of our not looking away has to be to get others to not look away as well.
This is what I think is the important part -- what we *do*. Some people are immobilized by horror. I think if you asked a Palestinian (and I know quite a few), "would you rather that we force ourselves to watch TV/IG all day to witness your people's suffering, or get down to the demonstration, to our city council meeting, meet with our reps, raise our voices, try to stop funding this ongoing massacre and giving cover to Israeli lies, because we are clear enough what is being done... well, I think we'd agree on the answer. Not everyone can do both.
Caitlin may not have those latter options because she's an Aussie. As an "American," I do, which means they are my obligation, which I am working to regularly fulfill.
What I will revise this to for myself is not, "I will not look away," but "I will not give up."
Sooooo good!
Honor the living, dying and dead. Hold.their hands and comfort them. And pray for and vision peace. May sanity return to Palestine.
To Israel....the perpetrators or to the IDF? Some of them do have a conscience.....I hope
Hi Che
The late Henry Kissinger said ( this is not an exact quote):
We’ve been persecuted for 2000 years. So what are we doing wrong?
God n Sonny Jesus, Che, I’m not mad! Just busy stenciling my entryway 😁
Gideon Levi for example
I’ve held the hand of my husband, my father and my grandmother at the end of their lives. It brought me some comfort and hopefully them too. This genocide is not comparable. I didn’t watch them blown to bits, obliterated or crushed to death for no reason except for their ethnic origin. This is horrific and I can’t believe I am complicit in this as an American. The blood on our hands cannot ever be washed away.
You're not complicit because you are an American. I am also, and in no way will I shoulder the blame for the carnage my country implements. I have never lived my life supporting war and destruction, and I will not take on their sins and lighten their burden.
Well that’s nice for you. Glad you don’t have to feel any guilt over the comfortable life you live because our dollar is the currency of the world, you can buy all the heat and gas you need because our military makes sure we steal it properly, your clothes are warm and your shoes fit because we own all the sweat shops around the world and prices are therefore cheap, that you don’t go to sleep hungry because we can force the global south to slave in the fields for us—especially for our drug of choice—Starbucks, and that you pay for the bombs that tear Palestinians limb from limb because you dutifully pay your taxes extra year. Jesus, woman. You lighten their burden by being so utterly stupid and complicit. And you make it hard to be a feminist.
Not even a little. The fact that you can wave around how hard you worked as justification for your privilege is proof that you have never done any analysis of how the society is rigged in your favor. You are an apologist for the system that CREATED Israel. And Ukraine. And Neocons and Shitlibs. And Killary. No handouts for you? God, that is so White Trash, esp after I just documented your handouts. Believe me, I don’t hate the US, in fact I love it. It’s the Empire that privileges narcissistic nincompoops like you that makes me want to puke. And by the way—who DIDN'T work their way thru college? It’s no great accomplishment. The fact that you think that’s some sort of badge of honor shows how completely brainwashed you are, probably by the very college you’re so proud of having worked your way through!
The least we can give the people of Gaza is our attention. I wish we could somehow give them more...
The UN Special Council today voted for a ceasefire in Gaza 14-1-1. The US voted no and the UK abstained. The world sees what’s going on and are not looking away .
But if the US had only abstained and not used its power of veto, presumably the vote would have passed
The US is not looking away, they are running pell mell in the opposite direction hoping to get others to run with them.
There was a ceasefire in place on Oct. 6th. It was broken by Hamas.
Antonio Guterres of the UN rightfully noted that 10-6 “did not occur in a vacuum”…
And Israhell had ample evidence and warnings. It’s certainly not beyond Satanyahu to sacrifice some of his own in order to foment this genocide.
Exactly. And he did. Apparently it’s a doctrine of the chosen people—called the Samson Option. You kill your own if it will hurt the enemy. No wonder Israelis are paranoid!!! See Scott Ritter for details.
Jeano, I ❤️Scott Ritter! Talk about someone who gets straight-up!
Omygod! That man makes me weep for joy! He’s a bit bloodthirsty sometimes when he describes what Hamas will do to the IDF but it soothes my soul to hear him say Hamas will triumph. I’m so sick of the Palestinians being slaughtered by the Nazis, I mean Zionists. Nice to know we have a sisterly lust for the boy!!!
Lust is the word for it Jeano! 😍😍😍
Pretty foolish of Hamas to go along with it
O dear. Your ignorance is staggering. The “ceasefire” was that the Palestinians were silently dying in their concentration camp while Israel was making peace with Saudi Arabia.
O dear- yet they had the energy to rape, murder, loot, kidnap, dance in the streets and hand out candy.
Oh dear, sorry, facts don't lie. Hamas is in control of Gaza- any deaths are on them.
What happened on October 6th was the opening salvo of a revolution against Israel. This is a war to remove the death grip Israel has had on Gaza for 17 years and Israel appears determined to push the Palestinians into Egypt or into their graves. Whether you support Israel’s aggression or Palestinian’s resistance is a matter of personal ethics and, perhaps, loyalty to a particular group.
This "revolution" seems to be going quite well so far.
Death grip in the sense of having completely withdrawn in 2005?
Agreed.
Unless it's against Israelis, right?
And especially as the occupiers were doing all the shooting before Oct 7th. Children, women, old men and dogs. Go back and look at the “paper of record” over the last 10 years.
Imprisoned in the sense of complete withdrawal? If Israel is "occupying" now then maybe October 7th wasn't such a good idea?
I do hope that Scotland secedes and tells the U.K. to go fuck itself! The brave Scots are more like the Irish than the English.
Hi DelBoy
My brother and his late wife traveled the world, and Scotland was above and beyond her favorite place…she always referred to it as “Bonnie Scotland “ 🙂
Excellent. I heard somewhere that this genocide might be the final nail in the coffin of Scottish membership in the UK? N-est ce pas?
This is prejudice and racist. I am not slimy.
The obsession with giving people labels and assuming identities and tribes such as 'Jewish' or 'English' is itself divisive and unhelpful.
My buddhist learning is to dis-identify with my own identities that i unconsciously follow as to how i should be as eg a woman or a white person . It is certainly not helpful to extend that identity to a group of people who have lived in the same area for a certain number of years (though all thoroughly genetically mixed- in the 1st ministers case and my own) as applying to me.
All culture, traditions, judgements, tribes and identities are unhelpful social and pyschological survival constructs of the ego.
'Identity politics' chops us up into convenient little political pieces or clumps that are more easily ruthlessly & cynically managed by the ruling class hiding as ever behind the curtain. 'Divide & rule' has been tried & tested many a time and the results are visible all around us and I suggest the results are always nasty. I personally loathe 'Identity politics' for the damage it has done and continues to do to us. I recognise the individuality and inter-relatedness of all of us humans but that's about it. We should concentrate on important issues that affect us generally. All 'identities' will benefit then. To do this requires direct democracy or Parliament of the Streets where village meetings are held that are open to all to decide what's what at a local level and, if required, with 21st c. networkable technology to discuss issues of more regional, national and international importance. A more centralised administration appropriate to the task would organise the work to carry out the Peoples' will. We do not even need politicians let alone the disgusting heaps of bankster-owned garbage called political parties.
Right on. Divide and rule is absolutely what they're doing. I'm not sure where Matt Taibbi views on others things are going but his 'Hate Inc' was very good- the 'opposition' (whoever they chose to make it) are literally Hitler. Keeps us clicking on social media to make money for advertising.
The absurdity and danger of identity politics is further brought into sharp focus by people being able to cross physical and genetic boundaries and seemingly become what they are not. Male sex offenders are allowed to identify as women to avoid being beaten up in male prisons as well as being given access to the vulnerable in women's prisons who they can then assault.
One can also identify presumably as Jewish or anything one wished- even easier to do as there are no physical or genetic barriers.
We are all human beings. Even most of what genetically makes a human is not human, it's bacterial. A human, let alone the Earth, is a collective of species.
We don't need 'ishes' 'ists' nor 'ians', it's helpful to recognise the non-separation of everything.
We certainly don't need party politics.
Spot on though it would be hard for a bloke to wave about an uncircumcised willy while claiming to be a Jew! Speaking of religion & willies, I recommend viewing this meme here on my timeline! Lol!! https://x.com/DomeLord/status/1733433950855467213?s=20
georgie&donny—-Your thing about men in women’s prisons is the 1st time I’ve heard you succumb to doubtful information perpetrated by the elites to divide the People. We can have all the ists and ians we want as long as we don’t think ours is the one true ist! Not tolerating diversity is the sign of an insecure ego and it has no place in humanitarian politics.
I like your ideas but I also believe in identity politics. They are often necessary to ward off the righteous white boys who think that their cause is everyone’s cause. I’ve never seen any white male group take on rape or abortion as issues worth mentioning in their rush to overthrow the current bunch of white males. We need cooperation among groups, not all of us being subsumed under one banner.
As one considered a white nationalist and is a male, I, AND EVERY WHITE MALE I PERSONALLY KNOW, abhors rape. Personally, I also abhor abortion as casual birth control and all men, white or otherwise, who are enabled to screw/abandon women at will for their own selfish pleasure. I cannot speak for every white male because I do not know all of them. Many love abortion because it frees them to abuse women at will.I view these men to be as abhorrent as anybody. Identity politics is rife with abuse and denies individuality. It used to be called bigotry and it still is bihotry.
We refer to your government, not necessarily your people.
Throughout history, many oppressed groups have been motivated to resist and become independent precisely because they perceived marked differences between themselves as a group and their oppressors as a group. The Ulster Scots immigrants to colonial America were one such group. They had been economically oppressed by English landlords in Ulster, and in the Carolinas the Ulster Scots fought fiercely for American independence. The flaw in your world view is that passionately identifying with a group is a natural human trait that was undoubtedly favored by natural selection. Such identification goes back in our evolutionary lineage at least to Chimpanzees, who have territorial conflicts between bands. Group identity and group conflict are facts of life.
In the modern world, what matters is the motivation and goals of the leadership of a nation or ethnic group. Those can be easily deduced if a person avoids mainstream news propaganda and studies history. The goals of the USA and Israel are what are "unhelpful."
And the proud descendants of survivors of the Holocaust have made an entire industry out of this identity. What about the oppressors? Is it helpful do you think to take on board the guilt or not?
Yes outside of the group or tribe the individual will die. Trouble is we now live in cities and can survive happily on our own or more accurately with the support of neighbours who aren't the same as us. The tribal identities are deliberately formed and stirred up online.
I did not give myself the label Buddhist. I don't have to, and don't, accept anything anyone calling themselves Buddhist says or does.
Also, it seems to me that England had a robust pro Palestine movement operating in London when most of the conscientious in the US couldn’t locate Gaza on the map, let alone advocate for its right to exist.
I really don't care that he thinks Scottish people are more honest than the English. He can think what he likes.
But when someone brings into the conversation an experience (or projection) that, for example, the Arabs or Jews they've met have been dirty, it's helpful for us all to shine a light at it.
Nope. He's saying the English people he's met are mendacious and slimy therefore the English are mendacious and slimy.
I’ve met many lovely British folk, including my former son-in-law’s family.
So prejudice tropes are OK and you're calling me slimy. Fuck off.
I would indeed have reacted if you'd called the Chinese inscrutable.
"Fuck off" from a Buddhist. Interesting. I must suppose that you are Enlightened because a Zen teacher advised a pupil thusly, "If you are a true man, you may drive off the farmer's oxen and burn the farmer's barn." True in this context means enlightened.
Damn straight.
Caitlin.....yes it’s all too horrific...thank you
What is so disturbing is that Israel is hiding behind the cries of anti-Semitism and playing their forever victim hand. Indeed they were victims in the millions, but it seems to make it worse to think they are implementing an agenda that once tried to destroy them.
Biden will go down as someone who supported all our wars and all the millions of deaths incurred. He is a bastard and always has been. If one knows about his political career it reeks of lying and opportunism. Antisemitism is always pulled out when ever Israel or the Jewish people need it to bolster their case even when they are slaughtering thousands of people based on their obvious prejudices. If these where white Christians residing in Gaza it would never be tolerated, and they would be confronted with their deplorable savagery. The reason they got Palestine as their homeland was the result of WWI where white colonial powers killed each other off in the millions and the Ottoman Empire fell as well. Oh, yeah said Balfour give the land of Palestine to the Jews after all Palestinians, well, are they white, and Christian, no, so perfect. That's what this is all about and why Israel can engage in a genocide and the US with a similar prejudicial history which it obviously continues to this day is also comfortable with genocide. Who do you think were called up in WWI in America, immigrants, most not considered white, like Italians, Poles, and of course Blacks.
Well, my mother, an anti-Zionist, predicted what you see going on now, and it would be the end of us. It was a kind of obsession of hers. I use to think she was over doing it a bit, but now not so much. The neocon agenda is helping to push all of this. Read about them since they are very much a part of the Biden administration, and slipped on over to the old man during the Trump years. Read the Project for a New American Century and their agenda, as well as those that signed on to it, and that will help make our policies much clearer. I know many wars preceded our 21st century wars, but right now it's really scary especially with old Joe at the helm, and the neocons who have his ear, a man who always loved and pushed our many wars.
US Neocons Accept Only Total Dominance Over All Parts Of The World | Q&A Nr.2 with Jeffrey Sachs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tejHnmT_ufM
It's just a matter of time before the chickens come home to roost. This shit will stop. I hope I live long enough to see it.
Those who refer to dead children as "collateral damage" do not need to look away for a different reason. They aren't seeing dead children, but a wartime equivalent of mangled products of conception.
Shame on them.