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Dr.Who's avatar

I am sorry Caitlin, I do not see us “growing into” responsible bicycle riders. These creatures are drunk on power and wealth. They have put us on a path to annihilation, and I don’t see them growing a conscience. They are not 6 year olds experimenting with a toy meant for 16 year olds. They know exactly what they’re doing with the toys they have built.

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Jeanette Cool's avatar

There is a part of this related to testosterone overdrive -- boys like to blow shit up -- war is a CHOICE -- and lots of effort is put into the War Machine - big bucks, big brains, and big ideas of domination. It always fails in the end -- his-story teaches that in spades -- but continue they do -- and now the entire world is in jeopardy from this super ego entitled lot that make LOTS OF MONEY from war and it fuels the power/greed cycles.

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vj's avatar

There are lots of girls involve too. Just saying. Remember Hillary: "We came, we saw, he died." Gaddafi was stabbed in the butt with a baronet just before Libya was bombed into the stone age after building a successful desert nation. Hillary thought that was funny.

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Sandra ---'s avatar

Gaddafi was trying to free Libya and all of Africa from the stranglehold of the international banking cartel by setting up the gold dinar. What happened to him was broadcast to the world as a warning of what happens to leaders who try to break free. For more on the international banking cartel and how they take over nations and orchestrate the wars, watch Bill Still's The Money Masters and Mike Rivero's All Wars Are Bankers Wars. And read G. Edward Griffin's The Creature from Jekyll Island and Ellen Brown's Web of Debt.

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Isha Drew's avatar

And may i add Prussia Gate , Will Zoll's illuminating substack.

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free_spirit's avatar

um yeah, did Gaddafi's death ever give you a reminder of those Hostel type movies? that's how i saw it when when they killed him. I mean some people probably thought they were doing the right thing but the one's who conspired against him, did it for sadistic reasons. I mean, who sodomizes and kills someone with a bayonet not for their own amusement?? even some of the best alternate media in the world admitted what he did was for the good of humanity.

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gypsy33's avatar

You’re a blithering idiot.

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free_spirit's avatar

anybody who attacks me in this comments section is most likely the israel apologist bc human sounding people like Cj never attack me so this only makes the second person here that has attacked me so far. She and other people have always compared me to Iran. I mean this one is so painfully obvious here. Who takes a perfectly normal looking person and spends all of their energy making these weird mental contortions to make someone look that stupid? Ordinary humans are busy doing normal human things most of the time.

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Bhavana Lymworth's avatar

Also see Truthstream Media's The Minds of Men.

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Jeano's avatar

Ya Killary did a great service to the knee jerk reaction by some men of “woll, THEY do it too!” It’s so predictable. And so sad. Yes, there are a handful of women who have served the patriarchy with great gusto and blood lust. But it doesn’t even come close to comparing to the thousand of men leaders who down thru the ages have slaughtered millions. Women haven’t done that. And to say, “woll, they would if they got a chance” is disingenuous in the extreme. Men kill. It’s what they do best. Women sometimes join them but the ratios are at least a 1000 to 1, leading to reasonable speculation that testosterone poisoning may indeed be the cause.

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vj's avatar

Give me a break. I assume you are a Nikki Haley supporter cuz she is such a peace-lover. Or Victoria Nuland? Or Madeleine Albright? Or---do I really have to make a list? The gender lens you apply ideologically, is hardly a real image. War is an ugly social contract that includes both genders working in tandem.

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Lawrence Beck's avatar

Don't forget Ursula Von der Crazy from Germany, Angela Merkel's former Minister of Defense, a doctor who is the 13th unelected President of the European Commission and never saw a war she didn't support! No one makes it into positions of power, male or female, unless you show an obscene level of blood thirst demanded by the Military Industrial Complex. Almost forgot Tulsi "the queen of aloha" Gabbard, who served in Iraq and now kneels at the zionist altar of genocide.

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Susan T's avatar

that bloodthirst is part of the patriarchal system which women also are part of

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pyrrhus's avatar

All huge warmongers, and couldn't care less about children dying, as Haley and Albright have illustrated...

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

OTHER people's children ...

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gypsy33's avatar

Again, VJ:

Psychological makeup. Icky Haley is a horror show. But the most progressive folk in congress are almost exclusively women.

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Jeano's avatar

See above.

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Roger Hoffmann's avatar

Nonsense. Perhaps you haven't noticed that there are PLENTY of women who are only too happy to trade off any humanity for money, power and prestige. Just as there are plenty of men. And there are plenty of men and women (a majority, I'd venture to guess) who are, in contrast, by nature peaceful, disinterested in power over others, are consciously collaborative and compassionate and other-centered. It is IMO a stunting of personal psychological development that drives some to step on others (or kill them) in order to climb the ladders of fame, power and wealth.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Arguments based on assumptions that biology determines individual consciousness, ethics, and behavior and social relations are sham remnants of 19 century oil Darwinism. It is a form of identitarianism that undermines universalism and collective action.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Social Darwinism not oil - sorry for typo

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

Substack allows you to edit your original post, w/o need to add another one ...

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

So well said Bill Wolfe!

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Jeano's avatar

It’s so much fun to post something about patriarchy and watch all these boys rise to the bait, snapping. It’s like when I used to talk to white guys about what Dr. King was doing, or to white guys about Vietnam, or to white guys about gay rights, women’s rights, trans rights, Native American rights. My thanks to the women who sent kudos.

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

Behind ANY power- and money-hungry male, stands a woman low in testosterone that desperately needs a mink-coat with further accessories (like giant freezer-stores to wear it if she happens to be from the Saudi-Arabian peninsula).

Testosterone fed male sex-drive and the female knowledge of its inherent weak-points is what makes the world (and stupid humanity) spin around ...

Btw: Women love what they hear and men love what they see. That's the reason why men lie and women use make-up 🤣🤣🤣

All the best for 2024; it may be our last, specially if vaxxed !!!

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russian_bot's avatar

What these shallow females suffering from patriarchy-derangment-syndrome (and some woke males too) fail to realize is the following:

Most women are smart and they are actually in control - aka they are skillful manipulators. They play men like fiddles so men do exactly what women want while thinking they are in control.

Now, it's smart women who do that. Stupid women just complain.

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

BINGO ^ 4 !!👍👍

Somebody I never knew and forgot his name wrote the following:

If a woman knows ONE man, she manages to know ALL of them, but however many women a man gets to know, he will NEVER grasp the true nature or way of thinking of a SINGLE one to the core.

In spite of this, they're still quite adorable, some of them at least ...

And because of that, stupid women usually are called Karens ...🤣🤣

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Karen's avatar

Stupid women are too nice to baby men.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hey, RB…if Mama ain’t happy, ain’t NOBODY happy!

Or if you prefer: Happy Wife, Happy Life!

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Jeanette Cool's avatar

These are women rising through the patriarchal dominant structure -- not representative of what any woman in a position of power MIGHT (or might not) do if unencumbered by 5000+ years of patriarchal domination from every aspect -- religion, family, government etc.

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vj's avatar

So in a "patriarchal dominant structure " women have no accountability?

Hillary gets a pass? Partisanship is not a solution.

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Jeano's avatar

Judging by vj’s response, it looks like you’re too smart for him. But of course you’re right. The oppression of the mind of woman is demonstrated every time anyone tries to have a discussion here about patriarchy and the role it plays in our current situation.

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Jeano's avatar

It’s not an ad hominem to observe that her point was clearly above his capability to understand what she was saying, judging by his response which completely missed the point. As to women in patriarchy being just as bad as men in patriarchy, I’ve already addressed that—yes, but the number of such women is only a handful, compared to the thousands of such men over the last 2000 years. Yet men when asked to think about that, always resort to the “woll, THEY do it too” response as if somehow that makes patriarchy acceptable. Moreover, many of these same men on here spend hours attacking the behavior and consequences of our patriarchal society without ever once concluding that maybe we should be looking for a more equitable system. It doesn’t show a lot of honesty of thinking.

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

Adelante Guevara !!!👍💪

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pyrrhus's avatar

Female leaders have a sad history of warmongering, or at least going along with the warmongers...Perhaps if they had to fight in these wars, they would think differently, but I doubt it...Power corrupts...

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Susan T's avatar

women are part of the patriarchy too. It is a system. Patriarchal does not mean that only men do icky things. We have many examples of women who fit right into the partriarchal system. Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandi, and, of course, Hilary Clinton. Women are equal to men. They can be equally greedy, bloodthirsty and lacking in any empathy whatsoever.

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Jeanette Cool's avatar

The patriarchal system was DEVELOPED by 1/2 of the species. As mentioned previously, women must bend to the system to succeed. I don't see any signs that women are as bloodthirsty as men --and most crime in the USA is committed by males -- to a high degree....that is changing somewhat. But it is worth a consideration and perhaps a study -- women have yet to raise armies or wage wars.

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Susan T's avatar

I believe that women will never be equal until we understand that they can be just as horrible as men. I was raised by an extremely violent mother and a passive father. When I tried to find anything about women who commit violence, there was nothing. Not because women don't commit violence, but because we put them in this stupid place of being gentle and nurturing beings at the service of men and children. The availability of information is now a little more than it was, but still, not much.

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Jeano's avatar

Only thing is, who would want to be equal? Equally swimming in a river of shit? Vive la difference! I want to be different from patriarchal society and I want the chance to explore and manifest that difference. Frankly, I think it will save the planet.

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Jeano's avatar

Agreed. And some experimental societies that let women choose how they want to be without having to justify their choice. Women who try to wield power the same way as men come in for far more criticism than men who do far worse. For which I’m glad. But it makes it difficult to make choices if we have to pay a higher price for our mistakes.

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Jeanette Cool's avatar

there are even traditional societies that have matriarchal lineages/law and order. I think women who become powerful I n the patriarchal arena definitely are more heavily criticized. Hillary Clinton (whether you like her or not) was pilloried. We have always paid a higher price just to LIVE within the bounds of patriarchal domination. (NOTE: this does not discount feminist men, women who support the tenets of patriarchy and so forth). Women's power is different from that of the typically male structural one. Males are imprisoned within patriarchy as well as women -- it is a system that has had its day -- . Time to open both eyes...

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Completely agree. Well said Susan!

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russian_bot's avatar

But the male-haters will tell you such girls are overloaded with testosterone. That they're really males. If only real girls could do without males...

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gypsy33's avatar

Yes, RB, I’ve made that comment before. But what it really comes down to is psychological makeup, determined by your horoscope.

Compare the incredible Cori Bush with Killary.

And I’m not a male-hater; I’ve been married to one for nearly 43 years 🙂

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russian_bot's avatar

Ouch! He must be quite supple to last this long! I guess the benefits are really worth it - good move on his part ;)

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gypsy33's avatar

I’m quite a woman indeed, RB 😉

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Isha Drew's avatar

Oh thank you for saying that!

When people still talk about how terrible Trump is/was, i can sometimes be bothered to point out he at the least, brought 4 years of peace and probably stopped HC/Biden's march to the sea if only temporarily. Dear Caitlin, we live on a low vibration planet and can only continue to spin webs of hope for the future which will one day be ours.

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gypsy33's avatar

Killary, like Genocide Joe , are extremely badly-aspected Scorpios, the most dangerous people on earth.

Don’t get me wrong. I love Scorpios; they’re my best companions. But refer to my first paragraph.

IMHO, Libra makes the best presidential candidate: cool, logical, and as the scales of Justice represent, fair-minded. ( See Vladimir Putin.)

I will note that the most progressive people in congress are almost exclusively women, and women of color at that.

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Jeano's avatar

You are so right about the women in congress. Rashida Tlaib the first and foremost! Amazing woman. And all the AIPAC bought and paid for got up on their hind legs and censured her for her stand. It sort of makes me proud that all those boys above did the same to me as soon as I mentioned patriarchy—you’d think they’d hate it, the way it treats their loved ones, the earth and even themselves. Knee jerk.

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gypsy33's avatar

Jeano, all one has to do is look to the animal kingdom to see that testosterone plays a very real role in aggression.

Why do we neuter male cats? ( Sorry, Feral 😉) So that they don’t scrap with other males and mark their territory by spraying stinky urine. Or wander for miles looking for a female in heat.

Same with horses. Unless kept for breeding purposes, male horses are almost exclusively gelded, because stallions are nuts. I wouldn’t ride a stallion on a bet.

Human males are animals as well. Why would they be any different?

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Jeano's avatar

You are so right. And any farmer can tell you that he wants cows over bulls. The females give milk and increase the herd, the males have to be neutered and then killed young to be steaks and hiking boots! He only needs one male for reproduction and that poor sucker is isolated and kept locked down because, just like a stallion , bulls are crazy. But I won’t blame testosterone because that’s nature made and therefore good— it’s testosterone poisoning that is the problem. And patriarchy is the cause—animals go in and out of heat/season, but patriarchy demands that males be in rut all the time! And if you’re male and don’t want to be that way you’re called all kinds names and made much mock of. In general, men are decent but lots of American men, and it seems like many British, Aussie and Canuck men, are pretty doped up on patriarchal propaganda and just can’t live without their mental viagra. Now THAT’S testosterone poisoning! (But I must say, stallions ARE gorgeous! )

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Roger Hoffmann's avatar

Just curious: what did "those boys above" do to you that you equate with censorship? What I see is that those who disagree with you did merely that... pointing out the obvious flaws in logic and poor grasp / application of biology and human developmental psychology. Yet, then subsequently (below), you acknowledge, "it's not what yer born with....".

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Jeano's avatar

Also, you are so right about Killary and Byebye. Only thing is Merkley is a Scorpio and he is out for a ceasefire. And he looks positively tortured lately he’s so affected by Gaza. And just for laughs, Putin is a Libra, yes, but so is Nutty-yahoo. Woof! It’s not what yer born with it’s what you do with it.

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gypsy33's avatar

Jeano:

It’s not just the sun sign that determines the personality. There are dozens of other aspects; ascendant, moon, planetary and house placements.

I’m a Pisces, but have Gemini ascending. I come across to most people as Gemini, but my soul is Pisces, because my first two planets are also in Pisces.

I know it seems complicated. It IS complicated . I’ve been studying astrology since the age of ten.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Offtopic: BTW, astrology is a pseudoscience. You'll have to do your own research to arrive at a scientific conclusion as I will not be able to convince you.

It's one of those deeply held beliefs that lands up forming a core characteristic of people's identity. People that have believed in it all their lives usually have a very hard time accepting contradictory evidence - because that would mean that they would have to change their belief structures - and that can be excrutiatingly painful.

Here is one link as a starting point (if you are interested) -

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/pseudoscience/how-astrology-escaped-pull-science

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gypsy33's avatar

Lol…correct. You won’t be able to convince me. It’s not effectively used to tell the future, as some might think, but is EXTREMELY effective as discerning and interpreting personalities.

Nature gave us the stars to guide us. If the Egyptians and Babylonians figured it all out for us, why wouldn’t use it?

I’ll bet you don’t think Bigfoot exists either 😉

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Coleen Rowley's avatar

Also Madeleine "it's worth it" Albright, Condi Rice, Samantha Power, Susan Rice, Victoria Nuland, the female CEOs of war profiteering weapons companies and the list goes on. Psychopathically talented women who have climbed to the top in the man's world have to show they are twice as ruthless and brutal as their male colleagues.

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Jeanette Cool's avatar

YES, and she lost my vote for her “we could obliterate Iran” statement….patriarchy is the system we all live under both women and men…time to shift the paradigm to something that does not require mass killing at every turn…it is retrograde.

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Susan T's avatar

there are no girls involved as far as I can see. Plenty of women

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vj's avatar

Please read the comment I was responding to.

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DomeLord's avatar

Agree with most of what you have written but I question, "super egos". The superego, if that is what you are referring to, is the seat of the conscience where the ethics & morals of the personality are to be found. If it's missing or overpowered by a toxic/narcissistic ego then that's quite a different matter.

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Jeanette Cool's avatar

I like your clarifications.

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bill wolfe's avatar

I make same reply to you as Jean below:

Arguments based on assumptions that biology determines individual consciousness, ethics, and behavior and social relations are sham remnants of 19 century Social Darwinism. It is a form of identitarianism that undermines universalism and collective action.

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voza0db's avatar

I've seen a significant number of Ukranistans that are exercising the Choice!

They are forced into the military... they are sent to the battle front... As soon as they reach it they call the Russians and quit.

Of course that in the USofT, WAR is all about MONEY. The millions that work in the M.I.C. don't even want to hear about the absence of WAR. Their income and good lifestyles depend on it.

Just because a single weapons factory is going to close next year this is the reaction of the modern moron slaves:

"'I Feel Like A Family Member Has Died': Small New York Town Devastated As Gun Plant Shuts Down"

https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/small-new-york-town-devastated-as-gun-plant-shuts-down-5550782

So we, degenerate uman animals, will always live like this...We've been doing since so many Millennia, and without a single sign of CHANGE, we'll keep on doing it for many Millennia to come.

https://voza0db.substack.com/p/morons-just-dont-get-it-4ea

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

Don't you worry, just DE-centralize life & sustainable production, then current mega power-structures will automatically crumble into oblivion ...

Just Google Dunbar's number and read Jared Diamonds "Guns, Germs & Steel" et.al.

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voza0db's avatar

Me... worry... Nah, just having FUN!

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Jeano's avatar

This is great. Thank you. I will say tho, that I think the next 20 years are going to see amazing humanitarian change and growth, at least for the US. Keep the faith!

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voza0db's avatar

Are you expecting that the USofT land is going to become umanless?!

(degeneration ate the 'h'!)

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Lindsey's avatar

and the rest of "us"? what are we each doing as we grow into these brains? do you know what you are doing? as Caitin suggests...go within and know yourself...you will come to know the whole universe and beyond and the whole idea of "them" will dissolve utterly. then what might we say and do?! if indeed our species makes it out alive ;)

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russian_bot's avatar

If you try to remove the fluff what is it you are really suggesting in terms of practical steps?

Let's say I as an individual have grown into "these brains". What are my next steps? Make other people grow into theirs? How?

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Selina Sweet's avatar

When you’ve grown fully into yours, you will have found the answer to your own question. Some famous past philosopher said something like, once you have your good question, your can live into the answer.

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russian_bot's avatar

Awesome!

In the meantime, can we hear from the ones who managed to do that? What are the rest of us to do while we're working hard (or not) on "growing fully into ours"? Surely we could be helpful in the meantime.

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Selina Sweet's avatar

That makes sense to me…while you are filling into your brain/mind/body being you can meanwhile create a national public or citizens union - maybe by region - patterned after Shawn Fein’s UAW (get his help cause he’s one sharp, shrewd cookie) where the focus is on creativity that serves the greater whole. In all areas of life and the life span. In all kinds of systems - economic - famiallial - ecological - Climate - cultural - biological - health - well being - educational etc…think up all the systems in which we are all enmeshed. All meetings engage in high play to feed the inner artist creator inventor. Enlist volunteers with experience in high play … might contact Cuba to find out how they created their highly educated citizenry and a hot musical culture and doctors who help others all over the world despite the small minded USA vengeance inspired horrible economic sanctions. Create at the core of each and all meeting experiences that demonstrate to ourselves how much happier we all are when we are all in the metaphorical kitchen together cooking up soulfully nutritional dishes of soul, imagination, inventiveness, story making, song singing, …springing up new ways of organizing ourselves that affirm our interdependence and bring deep satisfaction and heal the loneliness.

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gypsy33's avatar

Glad you mentioned Fein, Selina, as my husband is retired UAW.

Best leader they’ve had in decades. Absolutely fearless. But that’s the Irish for ya 😉

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

BINGO !!

Why do you use a nom-de-plume like that ??

You're certainly human and if you happen to be Russian, then добро пожаловать на Substack !!

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russian_bot's avatar

Why? Because per my profile I elect Trumps, and the whole western world knows the Russian Bots elected him last time.

Спасибо за приветствие, я уже давно здесь. Herzlich wilkommen!

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

{...go within and know yourself...}

This path may lead many a folks to somebody they really, really do not like ...

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Lindsey's avatar

pretty much guaranteed somewhere along the way...or you're not doing it right ;)

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jamenta's avatar

It really is unbelievable how this genocide continues, and we're all suppose to assume the Arab world leaders and Turkey will just standby and watch it continue. What puzzles me, is how do the super rich - running this planet right now - why aren't they trying to do something about this? Don't they see - even their lives (and their children) are obviously at risk here? Why isn't more being done to de-escalate this obviously dangerous situation - and if not just for the great evil we're all witnessing, paralleling the evil of the German Nazis - but for the sake of the stability of the rest of the world - including the super wealthy themselves and their children? If Iran enters the war, or Turkey, or Hezbollah - what's to stop the US actively entering the war - and then what?

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c Anderson's avatar

The world ruling class figure there are too many people in the world. Culling with war and famine are survival of the fittest tests for the masses. Wealthy elites benefit no matter who wins.

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AJF's avatar

🎯

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bill wolfe's avatar

Not always. A nuclear exchange kills the ruling class elites too (and destroys the habitability of the planet they live on). Same argument goes for their failure to respond to climate catastrophe - the elites still need food, water, air, dwellings, and a tolerable temperature regime.

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c Anderson's avatar

BS, BW. If you believe that everyone should have a nuclear arsenal to prevent nuclear war, you fail to realize the elite will be protected. Look at just 6 tips Newsweek offers. https://www.newsweek.com/newsweek-com-six-tips-save-life-nuclear-bomb-explosion-1758211

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Jeanette Cool's avatar

Sounds a bit like duck and cover from the 50s -- there are many many LONG TERM affects of radiation --ask the Japanese or the people of southern Iraq, for instance.

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vj's avatar

I wonder if their hubris makes them suicidal? Isn't Mark Zuckerberg building a bunker in Hawaii as we speak?

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Jeanette Cool's avatar

MANY Sillycone valley tech bros have them -- once I read there is a subtle competition in their amenities and so forth --s one are in Kansas -- wonder what they will do when they come out of the bunker???

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Robert Billyard's avatar

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who don't give a damn what happens in the world after their time . They have little empathy for others and even less for future generations.

The moral degeneracy of the West is astounding!

The US is already in the war with Israel as their proxy, just as Ukraine was their proxy against Russia.

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Joy in HK's avatar

I believe the saying goes something like, “apres moi, le deluge.”

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Pat's avatar

Only thing i disagree with. Izreel is calling the shots and we are their lackeys. And piggy bank

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Anna Van Zee's avatar

I think the ruling elites believe they can survive whatever happens. They already have their secured compounds, private security, and stockpiles of resources.

What happens to the rest of us - not to mention the planet & every other species - is not something that concerns them much.

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russian_bot's avatar

The ruling elites also realize they will die. Most don't believe in afterlife. Even the ones who claim they're religious probably lie. Many don't have children. Even if they do they don't give a damn what happens after they're gone.

So they just enjoy playing the rest of us. For them the world is just a toy while they're here.

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David Avenell's avatar

You pretty well just explained the clinical definition of psychopathy.

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Selina Sweet's avatar

The mega rich have substantial portfolios (I would expect given our forever wars) full of all the major weapons producing and hi tech war related corporations, including ancillary manufacturing like ships and planes and drones and who knows what else futuristic means to wipe out the “other”, that they induce more war…the USA has 600 ?military installations worldwide. No wonder the Pentagon - somehow - can never complete an audit! I wonder how that could be given the hi tech capabilities these days. Where might all the unaccounted money be flowing?

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vj's avatar

They can't see it. Narcissism cuts us off from the greater reality. It is a centripetal effect. Money plays its part.

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Roger Hoffmann's avatar

Re. your questions, Jamenta,

" why aren't they trying to do something about this? Don't they see - even their lives (and their children) are obviously at risk here?" :

I think one highly plausible answer is that the cognitive and behavioral patterning that lead some to positions of great wealth and power, and/or which are developed in the course of trying to protect such inherited assets, tend to become the dominant concerns. So the focus on increasing wealth and power tends to overshadow all other concerns. They might still 'care' about their children, but they will see their kids' (and grandkids') needs through the same lens through which they saw their own- i.e. a never-satisfied need for economic security (and therefore, political power, and dominance over any perceived as a possible competitor to their accumulation).

Most of this seems to the rest of us, incredibly short-sighted, short-term thinking. In the long term it may be self-defeating; as it creates dangerous feedback loops such as mentioned by others. Rapid climate destabilization, increasing risks of nuclear war, and dangerous geopolitical destabilizations and 'blowback'. Even the wealthiest, despite their getaways, may not be all that protected from the effects. In physical dynamics, the introduction of 'chaos' , say, into the biosphere, makes for inherent unpredictability.

But when, as for example, Wall Street generally seems to hold, the most important future is only about a fiscal quarter away, the conceptual scope of 'the long term' is pretty small for most at the top of our economic/political systems.

Look at Ukraine, for example- the neocons (empowered by Dems at least as much as the Repub's), have for many years been lusting for the drawing of Russia into a bleeding war of attrition to weaken it and buoy western powers' commitment to breaking or at least removing Russia as a competitor. After years of increasing Russia's sense of existential danger, via coup, undermining of diplomacy, arming & training Ukraine (and its Nazi factions), pushing the expansion of NATO to Ukraine and across what even many western experts said was Russia's red line of perceived danger, they finally got their wish in Feb., 2022. Yet they clearly had no plan whatsoever, no exit strategy, no 'what's next' after what many wiser heads saw as an inevitability and what was in any case predictable: Ukraine's inability to prevent Russia from removing the threats that motivated it. Short term thinking, once again. Just as was Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and other avoidable wars.

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jamenta's avatar

Can't disagree with what you just wrote. Well written brief analysis.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Jamenta

I highly recommend listening to Scott Ritter.

According to him, and this makes perfect sense, Hezbollah doesn’t want the focus to turn to Lebanon; they want it exclusively on Gaza.

And meanwhile the Hout’his are doing their own part by basically shutting down shipping lanes in the Red Sea, according to Ritter, allowing only Russian ships to pass.

This seriously cracks me up!

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Yes - he is someone I listen to regularly, usually on the Judge Napolitano show - which rotates between regular guests - who usually are always accurate about ongoing foreign affairs and wars. Some of the guests are a bit too right for my taste, but outside of the usual immigrant bashing (as if immigrants are what are the problem in the US right now, not the oligarchy itself and the corrupt government that they are in charge of) - they're knowledgeable and you don't get the propaganda you get from corporate news.

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Jeanette Cool's avatar

USRAEL is a deformity -- the rich make LOTS of $$ from wars --arms sales are big biz for many countries including USRAEL. The USA SHOULD be a peacemaker -- with all of its "power" -- but alas -- our $848B military budget says much about where the emphasis is in this country....KILLING MACHINE - and enabling Israel to try to kill all the people in Gaza --it is sheer. madness and affecting all of us deeply -- after the Gazans -- who next? we are human beings and must stand with human rights for all.

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Landru's avatar

I love Caitlin's writing it always sparks thoughts on the edge. I think the rich want this to happen. Caitlin is right, the rich want a de-populated earth, that is the only way any of this makes sense. Thanks for the thoughts. They are monsters.

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gypsy33's avatar

But then, Landru, who will they employ as their slaves?

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I find it hard to believe the mega-wealthy don't value their lives or even the lives of their children. Or are unaware of just how disastrous World War III would be to their level of living or to the planet. Maybe that's just it, people don't have the imagination to actually understand the consequences of a nuclear exchange between global powers. So perhaps it's just plain dumb ignorance and the normalcy bias. Or maybe they believe an escalation would not result in a world war. It does make you wonder, suppose Iran and US do go to war - will the other global powers just sit by and do nothing?

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Working in a science with some knowledge of many things Nuclear. Our own u.s. government does not remember what WWlll would be. The gov. thinks a first strike is winnable or at least they did before Russia proved the Patriot a failure. We are upgrading a pill lab at Los Alamos and building a new pill lab in South Carolina. Why would those Billions be spent unless you believe you can use them. I tell people run to the Light even if you lived past 10 mile incineration, fire storm and the pressure wave at 30 miles, you would not want to live in whats left. At 5000 rad ,1/2 of all exposures would die vomiting their lungs within 3 days and the rest slow and ugly. Run to the light. I wrote that story.

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The human race could be so much more than this - but instead we're beholden to what appears to be psychopathic arms manufacturers- the military industrial complex now totally out of control in the U.S. - that over the last few decades have made unimaginable profits (in the trillions) over the continuous warfare of the US - 100s upon 100s of billions of dollars of weapons development sold all over the world, not to mention the 900+ American bases all over the world - which through their lobbyists - over a billion dollars spent in the last few decades - have bought American politicians to push war, no matter what party they may belong to. And every single war the US has been involved in has led to nothing - other than huge profits for Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Northrup Grumman ... etc. 55% of discretionary spending of the United States budget goes toward these mammoth corporations - merchants of death. This, in my opinion, is the heart of the problem - the driving motivation behind all these wars. It's not about human rights - it's not about "democracy" - it's not even about US hegemony - because every war has FAILED. It's about perpetuating the Military Industrial Complex of the US - starting whatever wars possible, to continue to feed the maw of this immoral group of corporations. It's just another extension of the Wallstreet motto of "greed is good" underlying the rottenness of the US empire now eating itself from the inside out.

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Every meeting I mention, every dollar we spend in science is one that doesn't go to death and destruction : ) Many people don't know the real total spending in DOD, every dept. has DOD funding included, with DOE being second largest, nuclear weapons. Being a realest, I understand the u.s. would go into a financial convulsion lasting decades with a minor funding decease. How do we get to where we have to go, 10% reduction every year? End Stage Capitalism will demand change.

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The rottenness has extended into Academia as well. Money spent on militarism is known to be the least economical for any country - it does the least amount of good for the ordinary citizens - who produce the lion's share of wealth, then used to murder and exploit.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

I would argue that de-population does not serve the ruling elite or power-elite. Capitalism and growth are very much depend on an ever growing base of consumers AND low wage laborours and slave-workers. Capitalism (which is the fuel or the ruling power elite around the globe) would crumble if the earth started de-populating.

Who is going to consume the products and the services that generate profits for the rich?

Who is going to provide the cheap labor (manufacturing and services) for the rich ?

Who is going to do all the dirty jobs that are necessary for the economy to keep going? The rich?

Capitalism (and profits) depend on scarcity of resources. The more scarce resources are, the higher their value, and hence the better it serves the interests of the rich. Consumption of resources (by a growing population) increases the scarcity of resources - thereby profiting the "rich" and ruling power elite even more.

The idea (of the rich) is to grow and manage an ever expanding supply of low-wage workers and consumers that can benefit the ruling power elite and the rich.

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Jeano's avatar

Truly. But looking at all the climate catastrophe, it makes me wonder if the Planet doesn’t also want the earth to be depopulated. The constant growth and the consumption of recourses this weak species (man) needs to survive is unsupportable. The earth just cannot carry us all anymore. And She will take care of herself. But patriarchy can’t adjust, because patriarchy can’t admit, so there will be no adaptation and there goes the neighborhood.

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Pat's avatar

The usa is chomping at the bit to go for iran in the interests of izreel.

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Feral Finster's avatar

The leaders of the Arab world seek to do as little as possible, lest Israel’s American thug deprive them of their toys and possessions (mostly dollar-denominated).

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gypsy33's avatar

Feral, please read my comment below.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Which one?

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gypsy33's avatar

Er…I don’t know where it went.

Scott Ritter maintains that Hezbollah, for instance, does not want the focus to be on them / Lebanon. They want to keep it exclusively on Gaza.

The fucking Sauds are another story. All they need do is shut down oil supply to IsraHell, and poof, it’s over.

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Feral Finster's avatar

All that evident, and moreover, begs the question why the Saudis do not cut off the oil.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Here is some more insight into why the Saudis really don't care about the Palestinians -

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230921-saudi-arabia-does-not-care-about-palestine-or-jerusalem-it-cares-about-israel/

Summary & Analysis:

(1) Saudi Arabia is keen to have its own uranium enrichment facility and a steady supply of US arms - hence it needs to be allied with US interests.

(2) Vision 2030 is Saudi Arabia's grand plan to future-proof its oil-based economy and ween its addiction to oil and diversify into additional revenue streams. For the vision to succeed, it needs peace and stability in the region. Hence the push to normalize with Israel. The current Oct 7th Hamas attacks and the genocide and ethnic cleansing puts a serious dent into that Vision and has the potential of completely derailing it.

(3) Saudi Arabia has had a long history of animosity with Iran. Iran is sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. Iran is also an enemy of the US. And Saudi Arabia needs the support of the US for points (1) and (2) above. Hence, the Government wants to side with Israel but knows that the people of Saudi Arabia are with Palestine. So they flip-flop on the Israel-Palestine issue (and have been doing so ever since MBS took control of the country).

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

So true and well said!

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Sandra ---'s avatar

Yes, for more info, watch Mike Rivero's All Wars Are Bankers Wars and Bill Still's The Money Masters. The debt-based monetary system is key to all of this. The global financial system (debt-based fiat ponzi scheme) is headed for collapse, but to keep the system propped up, they need more govt spending (debt) and nothing props the system up like war spending. Listen to Greg Mannarino on y/t and substack- he explains the true nature of the monetary system. We the people have unknowingly allowed City of London banking families to have the power to create money out of thin air since 1694, with the establishment of the private Bank of England.

For more info, read Ellen Brown's Web of Debt and G. Edward Griffin's The Creature from Jekyll Island.

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vj's avatar

Well said! Thanks for the leads too.

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Sandra ---'s avatar

You're welcome.

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Robert Billyard's avatar

We are seeing a titanic power shift the likes of which the world has never seen before. The East has emerged and the West is in decline. Our elites simply cannot accept they are going to have to share power and cooperate with the world community.

They are desperate to claim what they have lost and refuse to accept the edict of history that empires rise and fall inevitably. The days of imperialism, neocolonialism and globalization are past as the mulitipolar world emerges with an unstoppable momentum.

Just after WW ll US diplomat George Keenan warned the government the rise of the East was inevitable and only a matter of time. The Washington response to this advice was to declare war on the world. Where they didn't have the numbers to prevail, they would use militarism, war and economic extortion to control the world.

They forget that China has 1.4 billion mouths to feed, as does India and the US wants to hog the world's wealth with only 5% of the world population.

It is a momentous tragedy the US and NATO wage endless war when they should be focused on building better economies and better futures for their populations. Instead they are digging themselves very deep graves-- as verified by history. They are totally illiterate and slaves to bogus ideologies ultimately ruinous to all.

We are living the dying empire's rolling temper tantrum. There will be no peace until we insist on it

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bill wolfe's avatar

yes, the western elites have always viewed the rest of the world as "the jungle" inhabited by barbarians hell bent on taking their stuff.

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Don Mason's avatar

I agree. Our elites are unwilling to share or relinquish control over anything. This greedy competitive nature leads to war, then collapse. Both are coming; war and economic collapse. It should be illegal to have vast wealth and consolidation. It’s self destructive. World competition needs to be replaced with world collaboration.

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pretzelattack's avatar

i just think and fear that our insistence on it is going to involve violence, maybe a lot of it. they are too entrenched, too well prepared; as they fight China and Russia, they will fight us.

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Robert Billyard's avatar

Until they repudiate war or the system collapses, its an open ended horror show.

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Lenny Broytman's avatar

History will not be kind to all of the people who have the power to use their voice to stop what’s happening in Gaza and are instead choosing silence.

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russian_bot's avatar

History has not been kind to Hitler yet Nazism is alive and well and Hitler is worshipped by sufficient number of movers and shakers to turn whole countries into his de facto followers and instruments.

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Sandra ---'s avatar

Victors write the history. Most history is victor's history--agreed upon lies and propaganda.

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russian_bot's avatar

There are a few here in the forum who think history treated Hitler unfavorably since it was "written by the victors". I guess it means he was a good man, trying to rid the world of the Jews who were exploiting it through usury.

So, according to you, the current scum will be undeservingly blackened by the future history books.

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I'm saying history is nothing but agreed upon lies and propaganda.

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russian_bot's avatar

So no history book currently is worth referencing. In fact, history is as good as non-existing as we can know nothing about it. Historians are and always were scammers.

I am finally enlightened!

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Sandra ---'s avatar

Do you think the US govt just started lying us into wars with Vietnam? Iraq?

The US has been lying the American people into wars forever.

All wars are bankers wars.

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The only thing left is for you to link your last comment with the "history is nothing but agreed upon lies and propaganda".

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Robert Billyard's avatar

“In November 1998, Tom Plate, a columnist on Pacific Rim affairs Edition for the Los Angeles Times, described the United States as “a muscle-bound crackpot superpower with little more than cruise missiles for brains.”— Chalmers Johnson, Blowback, Second Edition

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Feral Finster's avatar

True, but what does anyone propose to do about it?

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Morey's avatar

It’ll probably collapse on its own. As Gore Vidal used to say, two things brings change: (1) military defeat; (2) economic collapse. The former is improbable. The later is on its way and will happen. I suspect in the end it’ll split the US into multiple countries with different constitutions. In other words, secessions. Probably not in my lifetime!

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pretzelattack's avatar

who gets the nukes? i just hope we survive this process. of course, nobody gets out alive in the long run, but i have would like a longer run.

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Diane Engelhardt's avatar

Because money has become our God!

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BJ's avatar

Exactly! Until the definition of success is changed - this will never abate.

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Diane Engelhardt's avatar

Sadly, money is the measure of one’s worth as a human being. Ironically by all appearances, the more you have the more lacking you are spiritually and morally.

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BJ's avatar

Could not agree with you more! I've spent the last 45 years dealing with the jet set and they are without doubt the most miserable people you will ever encounter. Everything's a pissing contest, who has the bigger plane - house - cars. Think how unhappy you'd be if you had everything in life? No wants, no desires, no wishes, no dreams, no goals. This is why they're insane and hellbent on destroying the world in search of happiness they can and will never attain.

Can you imagine being able to eradicate poverty and making sure no child ever goes hungry? No one is ever homeless? Instead, they only care about themselves and the kids are even worse because they are brought up with no values.

You see it all the time in the gas stations with these drug dealers and prostitutes - driving Lamborghini's and Porches as though they actually had class because they drive an expensive car. It's like I said, until you change the definition of success this will never change.

Does anyone really look up to Bezo's and Zuckerberg, Musk etc.? How'd they earn it? Exploiting cheap labor and circumventing tax laws? Oh I'm so impressed! The person that truly did work hard is the person who truly impresses me = old MONEY!

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Don Pato’s Musings's avatar

The CIA and the fact that WW2 never ended for those goons is why we are here.

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Michele's avatar

Annie Jacobsen’s book, Operation Paperclip, is a shocking realization of just how evil big governments truly are, and the evil they have ignored and facilitated to justify their means.

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Don Pato’s Musings's avatar

I got my info from the Jakarta Method by Vincent Bevins and The Devils Chessboard by David Talbot. Highly recommend both. Also Bevins new book “if we burn” is a good breakdown of effective resistance in the last 20 years.

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unwarranted's avatar

When a nation is socialized to believe that pursuing one’s self-interest can and does serve the requirements of the collective, and every news story, and classroom lesson and textbook, and church sermon, and media outlet reinforces the blessings of serving individual prerogative, you get an oligarchy where the personalities of the facilitators of elite profiteers become the focus of the masses. Only those who ask bigger questions and explore systemic causes for social dysfunction can see the ideological underpinnings of a paralyzed society.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

So very well said! Thank you.

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Finn's avatar

How did we get here?

Because of the merger between government and business which requires placing capitalism and usury under the microscope.

It's not that our ''governments'' are incompetent - they're doing everything they can to please their real masters which isn't the electorate but the financial elite.

We are the one who are incompetent due to the fact that we still haven't figured out how to hold government officials accountable when they are openly catering to the corporate agenda instead of the humanitarian one based on the declaration of human rights.

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Susan T's avatar

We got to where we are because our patriarchal system of life consistently insists that someone has to be superior and they have chosen men to be superior. It doesn't work any better when women are chosen to be superior. We have to see that we are all equal. Those that have a superiority complex made up all the rules so that they could stay "superior". Season that with a little capitalistic greed and voilà, you have a world that is polluted and rapidly warming, wars going on all over the place to they can prove their "superiority" and make more money. That's how we got here and this is where we will stay until someone decides that co-operation and tolerance work better for everyone in the long run.

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Jeano's avatar

This is so excellent! And just to add, in matriarchal societies, women don’t lead, they teach and nurture. I know a lot of matriarchal men who do the same. Being a leader is a fool’s game and that’s why so many smart people eschew it.

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Just sayn's avatar

Survival of the fittest is a natural progression. For humans it means the most Ruthless, narcissists, and conniving, willing to do anything including murder to acheive power. Then conspiring with others to build a cartel based on territory and force. Police and soldiers protect those who sign their check, Mercenaries . It is a Racketeering enterprise that gains legitamacy. Humans are then subjected to continuous incremental indoctrination they don't even understand they are mind slaves, divided and conquered. Question Everything! Harold L. Mencken had some wonderful insights as did Edward Bernays, and George Carlin.

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bill wolfe's avatar

"Survival of the fittest is a natural progression. "

No, it isn't. Google "Social Darwinism" or read anything by Stephen J. Gould (his book "The Mis-measure of Man" would be a good start).

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In that seldom if ever do the freaks, physically impaired, or crippled live long, the predators and nature take them through starvation freezing etcetera the strongest males are the ones that get to reproduce. In the Human species we see that all manner of broken humans are artificially kept alive and even to reproduce. No I'm not for Eugenics! The masses are herded by those with eloquent words, empty promises, and offers of easy wealth, narcissistic, sociopaths are plentiful in government as they are in gangs. That this is the common thread accross centuries and present day world of people who are still under the Illusion that Voting and 'democracy' will change anything provides proof that the Worst always rise to the top in humanity. Though the strongest do so in nature.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

One word answers every question in this great post: Capitalism.

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Billions of people (several) just want clean air, clean water, clean soil, food, good roofs over their heads, culture, family, and in most cases, 'it takes a village to raise a family" ethos.

Now, the Oppen-Monster-Heimers of the world, the dirty war lords and the takers, well, they are small in number but they have advanced banks, land, real estate, and armies to protect their perversions.

Read Ishmael:

Culture is a mother everywhere and at every time, because culture is inherently a nurturer—the nurturer of human societies and lifestyles. Among Leaver peoples, Mother Culture explains and preserves a lifestyle that is healthy and self-sustaining. Among Taker peoples she explains and preserves a lifestyle that has proven to be unhealthy and self-destructive.

If culture is a mother among the Alawa of Australia and the Bushmen of Africa and the Kayapo of Brazil, then why wouldn’t she be a mother among the Takers? (To confirm the notion that “culture is a mother everywhere,” check foreign language dictionaries for the word CULTURE. In languages that recognize “masculine” and “feminine” nouns—French, Italian, Latin, and so on—the noun CULTURE is invariably feminine.)

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My son sent me a book called Ishmael, written by philosopher Daniel Quinn. He said, “This book changed the way I think about life.” A profound statement like that cannot be ignored so I read this book.

The premise of the book is that there are two kinds of people in the world: Takers and Leavers. Leavers represent man before the agricultural revolution, for the most part, although there are still some Leavers in the world today. Takers represent those who change the earth for their purposes. Most of our culture is now Takers — which defines most of us by default because our culture is embedded in the way we approach life. And we are embedded in that culture and have, most likely, never thought of a different way.

Takers generally take what they want or need regardless of the consequences to the earth or even other people groups. Takers take more than what they need, kill animals or even humans who get in their way or encroach upon what they want for themselves. Takers disrupt the natural order of things — damming up rivers, cutting through forests, and flooding valleys to create what they want.

I’m sure it’s not hard to identify who the Takers and Leavers have been throughout modern history. I’m sure you can call to mind recent examples.

Leavers usually only ask to be left alone, for Takers to leave them as they found them and for them to be able to live their lives in Leaver fashion. Takers, by nature or choice, can’t seem to stop taking.

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Now? We are sheeple. Badges and proof of humanity and life put into our culture by the rotten takers, the software application and AI-MR-VR-AR body snatchers. Small in number, but we are all now on the fucking net, with these dumb phones, and applications for every goddamned waking and sleeping head twitch, blink, step, defecation, thought, movement, bite, yawn, REM, hope, dream, fear.

Keep up the great thought experiments, Caitlin. It staves off insanity.

https://paulokirk.substack.com/p/we-do-need-those-stinking-badges

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Jeano's avatar

Nicely done. These are wonderfully subversive thoughts. One I’ll add is that Winona La duke says that her people have a concept that would help the US agent better. The concept is Enough. I have enough, I am enough, you are enough, there is enough.

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Paulo Kirk's avatar

Ahh, the old cooked up syrup, that High Fructose Corn Syrup, and all those additives, those artificial flavors, all those conctions of salt-sugar-fat-spice to keep the brain wanting more and more.

The concept of fast food and TV dinners and boxed items in the grocery store is to keep them coming back. You can't blame the one year old wanting Lucky Charms and a big gulp Pepsi and a Happy Meal.

So, when you think you have had enought, the old serotonin reuptake is all messed up and tells the gut and the gut tells the brain --- MORE MORE MORE.

It's nice to have personal trainers and life coaches and yogis and Baja retreats and all sorts of Gabor Mate wisdom, but capitalism is inflammatory, is designed before the Satanic Edward Bernays to bring in a sucker born every nano-second.

Not the kiddos fault. Not the fetuses fault.

Enough is enough will not cut it, so sorry to say. You want the baby and body snatchers and gene hackers and mind melders out of the picture? You think Johnny and Jane and Juan and Maria can just say -- "No more" -- when they are 18 months, 2 years, 10 years?

They -- the dirty lizard overlords -- have cooked it all up. Figured out what the eye time and scrolling habits of Homo Consumopethicus are when marketing the filth and lobotomizing junk of dumb phones, Chromebooks, Netflix, and on and on.

Enough means excising the cancers. Chemo-therapy. Physical scalpelling out. Irradiating.

Every rotten billionaire, their family, their friends, their accountants, their lawyers, their legions of tens of millions of Eichmann's, well, you think telling them "enough enough enough" will cut it?

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Don Mason's avatar

Great words of wisdom are music to many ears and affect only a few who a truly bent on listening and putting those words of wisdom into practice. However, for most people it’s not enough to make a difference. The consolidation of wealth and power is simply too great. Only a great economic collapse or war can change anything.

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Ahh, music, then, is universal, inate. Think about it -- even if you don't like blue grass or classical or jazz, you as a listener can still make out bad tones and missed notes.

So music to your ears might still be hip-hop to another's ears.

How the hell did Israel-Judaism get here?

Jeff Halper, an American-Israeli anthropologist who has written numerous books on Israeli history, has a clear answer.

He says that leaders of countries around the world are feeling more insecure as wealth is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a tiny capitalist elite and popular disaffection and the threat of rebellion grows.

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/12/28/american-israeli-anthropologist-suggests-that-we-are-all-being-palestinized/

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My other experimental jazz is over here:

Banned and ghosted and shadowed banned by many, on all sides of the blue and red manure pile.

https://paulokirk.substack.com/p/entering-the-bowels-of-the-coming

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Quoting: American-Israeli Anthropologist Suggests that “We Are All Being Palestinized”

Israel is revered precisely for its mastery of population-control techniques against the Palestinians, which many leaders want to emulate against dissident or minority groups within their own borders.

Part of Israel’s ace in the hole, according to Halper, is its development of a formidable weapons industry that allows it to supply high-tech weapons to countries around the world for the purpose of population control.

Israel is at the cutting edge in the development of surveillance satellites, weaponized and surveillance drones, Artificial Intelligence (AI) target identification systems, spyware gadgets and crowd control and cyberwarfare technologies, which it sells around the world.

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russian_bot's avatar

"How The Hell Did We Get Here?" - welcome to humanity. The real kind.

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Susan T's avatar

I don't think that how people in power are manipulating the world and the people in the world is what humanity is all about. I don't think they represent "real" humanity at all. I think they want us to think they are what humanity is, but they are only an unfortunate part of humanity. They are just a bunch of greedy grabbers trying to push around those who have not "succeeded" as they have.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Susan, just from this one comment of yours it shows your maturity of thought and I appreciate it and find it refreshing. Thank you.

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russian_bot's avatar

The point is not what you or I or any other regular person thinks. It’s how things actually are.

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Susan T's avatar

Yes, it is how things actually are right now. But "they" are still just part of humanity and, btw, "they" are just regular people too. They happen to have money. Us "regular" people have, unfortunately, bought into the lies that money and stuff are important things that make us successful as human beings. And I again state that I do not think (regular and unimportant as I am) that those who chose to kill and harm the earth and the people on it are not all of humanity. They are no more "real" or "unreal" than anyone else. We need to start really early to get people to figure out how humanity could be more kind, peaceful and in touch with the earth.

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I do not necessarily disagree with you. I just want to convey the following:

Yes, they are also regular people, just like you and I in a physiological sense. The thing is, when you or I or any other current "non-they" person starts moving up the ladder, the whole setup is to corrupt us, to become them. That's the condition, or you won't get promoted anywhere near there. Now, most people are vain and will submit to the demands to join the increasingly selected few, as they progress up the ranks.

And so, that's how humanity works in reality. That's all I meant initially.

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Susan T's avatar

Fortunately for me, I had a grandmother who thought that making money was the only thing in life that really mattered. Well, maybe food too because she was a great cook. But I didn't like how she ignored people's needs and sometimes their pain. She was a racist too. I decided at about 10 that I would never be like her. And I am not. Except for the healthy eating. It is because of her that I have never aspired to be in charge of anything. So, me, being part of humanity, means that it can work differently. If I can be different than that, so can others. Although, it might help to have a relative who lacks empathy and worships money. Sometimes.

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Daniel Geery's avatar

Pretend we're not abused preschoolers. Value the brains we were born with. Have an ounce of compassion. Wake up and see the paradise we were born into and do all we can to reestablish it. Listen to Paul Beckwith rather than Guy McPherson.

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Will Durant's avatar

Well put, Caitlin. We should remember Hannah Arendt's observations on "the banality of evil." Sociopathy has its origins in the egoic mind and the traps and pitfalls it lays for each of us. Our ruling elite easily become drunk with power and forget their common humanity. How easily it happens! As our humanity, rooted in our dysfunctional egos, may be the greatest threat to our continued existence, it can, if we are willing to drop our delusions and self-righteousness, be our salvation. For me, it is a spiritual path, grounded in obedience to a Faith that helps me see my own sins and self deceptions as well as an unambiguous command to love every other human being, not just those of my tribe. For others there will be another path, but all our paths will converge in the realization that we are all One and that there are other, far better ways to share this troubled planet. Evil is just lying to yourself and precedes the inevitable lying to others. That is the reality of our political and most of our elite economic class. Such is the seduction of power and wealth.

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