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Vin LoPresti's avatar

I have this image I can't shake. And unless I divert it from my mind by occupying my attention elsewhere, it makes me want to run to a bathroom and vomit. It's a child alive under that rubble but slowly dying of dehydration. And I wonder how anyone can be so mentally ill that they don't immediately want that possible scenario to cease. I never in my long life recall being so physically sickened by each day's news; even the images from Vietnam weren't this consistently horrible.

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russian_bot's avatar

Maybe people would start allowing for the concept of evil to settle in not just metaphorically. For as soon as one does, everything falls into place. No other explanation could ever do.

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Fran's avatar

Chris Hedges: Israel’s Final Solution

November 7, 2023

I think Netanyahu tops that list.

When Jewish extremists, fanatic Zionists, religious zealots, ultranationalists and crypto-fascists in the apartheid state of Israel say they want to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth, believe them.

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/07/chris-hedges-israels-final-solution/

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DomeLord's avatar

Netanyahu seemingly considers himself Bible material alongside Moses, etc. Mental institutions are full of such people. Perhaps barbaric & absolutely agonising Bronze Age practices unleashed upon one of the most sensitive parts of 8 day old male babies has something to do with it. Cluster B personality disorders en masse in a certain tribe I won't mention by name because they're somewhat paranoid about that.

Netanyahu is right btw but not in the way he thinks. He's Bible material alright, Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 spell things out. [hint: Semitic v. Khazarian]

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Fran's avatar

Without the US he would never exist, nor would Israel. Everyone sites the Balfour accords, but it was the UN under American pressure by Zionists that got them Israel and the best, and most fertile part of it. The Palestinians were marginalized, and if that wasn't enough the Nakba came next, and all that followed. If America can address it's history of slavery why can't Israel, address it's many flaws and I know they aren't finished with their agenda until the last of those in Gaza are gone, and no doubt those in the West Bank as well. Did you ever listen or read Alison Weir?

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DomeLord's avatar

We have such a terrible history as a species. I don't doubt what you say about the UN/Zionists. However, I'll add a rider to it that behind it all are the banks. Public sentiment is rightfully at an all-time high against israel & its genocidal actions. The Zionists are using anything & anybody at hand to achieve their nefarious goal of complete world domination. israel along with many non-Zionist Jews across the world & of course Palestinians have been thrown under the bus to inch the horrific Zionist/Globalist agenda forward.

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Alison Weir? Never come across her before. Would you please give me a link to a Gaza related synopsis of her work? Stories about royal women seems to be all I can get on her. Thanks.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Domelord

Alison Weir is the founder of IfAmericansKnew.

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Fran's avatar

She really goes over the history as to how Israel came into existence, and her position is not positive in regard to this issue.

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Robert C's avatar

What should Israel do to defend themselves from the Muslims, commanded by Mohammad to kill all Jews??? Talk about zealots. Learn from the Crusades.

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Fran's avatar

Perhaps you would be better off to look at yourself and wonder why you should ask such question.

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Robert C's avatar

I know why I ask it, to find out what people complaining about Israel retaliating think they should do instead? If one complains, offer a viable alternative.

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Fran's avatar

Well, the first you do for sure is kick Netanyahu's ass out of office instead of letting him hang on forever, then you treat the Palestinians as human beings, as opposed to something that needs to be gotten rid of, and you don't warehouse them in an open door prison and allow them to barely exist and deny them any sense of a future, and you certainly don't cultivate Hamas the way Netanyahu has done for years, and he did so because he knew this day would come and he could go on a genocidal killing rampage, so you can have a land as Gallant said free of animals that you deemed needed to be caged. To be succinct you don't deal with what Hamas did by committing a genocide.

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gypsy33's avatar

How about letting the Gazans be free from their concentration camp, allowing them to have enough substinence, a working infrastructure and economy? The right to even be able to fish off their shores? Not having the “lawn mowed” every few years and residing in a pile of rubble?

And the right to determine their own destinies rather than being held captive by Israhell?

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notBob's avatar

There has been a long standing public solution to the problem, supported by the UN and international law. Blaming the Palestinians for not accepting it is just more Israeli propaganda.

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notBob's avatar

What should a rich, powerful, nuclear equipped police state with massive physical barriers, a missile defense system and a huge standing army do to defends itself from its impoverished, uneducated, child prison population ?

I don't know but it seems anything besides bombing them would be a good choice.

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russian_bot's avatar

What should Israel do? Kill as many Palestinians as possible. Preferably all of them. But you knew that already.

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JackSirius's avatar

For most of my adult life, I’ve called myself an atheist. And while I still find sparse evidence of a good and omnipotent god, the overwhelming amount of evidence proves that evil not only exists, but dominates. Neither Jewish nor Christian orthodoxy solves the so-called problem of evil. But the Gnostics and Manichaeans did. It is ironic that this current tsunami of sheer evil sweeping over the world may be the force we all need to jar us out of our metaphysical complacency.

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Ben Weeks's avatar

If ultimate metaphysical evil exists it follows that the same is true of the good. The gnostics and other false religions are more compatible with evil than with good. Christ solved evil and remains the only way out. If all parties accepted a common messiah they would be one. Both have made one in their own image and refuse the real one.

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russian_bot's avatar

"I still find sparse evidence of a good and omnipotent god" - that's a mistake people make, looking for some evidence, giving God a material substance not just in existence but acts. And it's actually quite arrogant on the part of any human - "I will be the one who finds it"

The thing is there's no evidence so nothing is to be found. One just believes and works on oneself to aspire to be better, lean towards good, and fight evil. That's all there is to it.

There are no absolutes. One is never completely good, and one is never completely evil. It's a matter of a degree. But good and evil themselves do exist, they are there for people to allow in or fight, and there's plenty evidence for that.

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Fran's avatar

America has been mentally ill for a long time, and in the 21st century it should be quite obvious.

'House passes resolution to censure Tlaib over Israel comments'

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/politics/rashida-tlaib-censure-vote/index.html

"The House passed a GOP-led resolution on Tuesday to censure Rep. Rashida Tlaib over comments critical of Israel and in support of Palestinians amid Israel’s war against Hamas.

The move amounts to a rare and significant rebuke of the Michigan Democrat, who is the first Palestinian-American woman to serve in Congress. The vote was 234 to 188 with four Republicans voting against and 22 Democrats voting in support of the censure resolution."

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Garrett Smith's avatar

I never thought I would be in Rashida Tlaibs' camp but I never thought I'd see such overt support for genocide by so many people who are supposed to be representing we the people.

To the day I die I will do everything in my power to discourage anyone from ever putting an ounce of trust in any politician on either side of the aisle. None of them are to be trusted. Our country has been completely dismantled because our politicians have been completely captured just like our regulatory agencies.

Buckle up everyone because the next hundred years is going to be a complete inversion from a freedom and comfort point of view then was the last hundred.

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Fran's avatar

I felt so sorry for her, and sickened by those who would condemn her for wanting to stop a genocide, that will mostly take the lives of children. We're sick.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

She went a bit overboard but for crying out loud, these are her relatives!!!!

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Fran's avatar

I don't think she went overboard. I'm not Palestinian but it's really upsetting to me, and it's particularly upsetting when your country is part of a genocide that is primarily targeting the young, children, knowing they are doing it with little discomfort since they are being perceived as less then human which the Israeli's made quite clear, and America is not only supporting this genocide, but declaring everyone should.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

She just seemed a little crazy with anger...but, I get it. .....America isn't ignoring the slaughter, it's just not politically expedient to make a big deal out of it. Jewish interests are very powerful.

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gypsy33's avatar

Overboard?

HOW?

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notBob's avatar

Welcome to the party, being anti government and anti-partisan means you understand politicians now, politicians are the lowest form of life.

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Hudson E Baldwin lll's avatar

That’s not a generalization proving to be true. Only in certain countries. There are at least 41st world countries with that or managed by honest brokers and perform good government with quality policy. But, the constituency demands it. They can’t just bitch about it on social media and think it will change.

Just thought you might need some inspiration. It is the truth. I’ve been to many of them. It’s quite refreshing.

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gypsy33's avatar

Amerikkka has been practicing genocide since 1492. No wonder our government supports IsraHell. Birds of a feather…

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Fran's avatar

Very good point, and even as a child, I was aware of that in terms of how the Indians were treated, and how inferior they felt they were. When we would stand and salute the flag I would never say the last part, ...with liberty and justice for all.

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gypsy33's avatar

Lol Fran…I’m the one who STAYS SEATED at a ballgame or rodeo when the national anthem is played…with my arms crossed 😉

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Fran's avatar

Good for you. I don't know why I had such an extremely negative response about my government lying to me, and I remember at some point, only 8, that I needed to keep the country and the government separate in my head.

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Anti-Hip's avatar

Who decides the intent of their speech? The speaker, or the audience?

-- If the it is the audience, the speaker's words can always be twisted by the powerful or the many, and the speaker has no recourse, even though it is perfectly possible to re-state and explain. This is one of the major problems with Wokeness/DEI dictates, and is apparently the problem with Congress. Tlaib is not allowed to clarify her speech. If you allow a powerful audience the ability to say definitively what you mean without your recourse, then you no longer have such thing as free speech.

-- There is no issue here with the doctrine of imminent incitement to violence, as that is a special case in which the speaker's words *must* be judged on their immediate impact to an audience. But Tlaib was not encouraging specific violent action of any kind in any setting where danger was clearly imminent. The same applies to Trump re January 6, who, additionally, had never asked protesters to break into the Capitol, who had also specifically asked them to "march peacefully", and when they started breaking in, to go home.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi AH

We need an insurrection that will make Jan. 6 look like a girl scout’s meeting. ALL of us; left, right and center, who want to END what passes for the government!

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Anti-Hip's avatar

We need an uprising, but I do not believe here in a violent overthrow. There is no way we have reached that point. This problem is squarely an education one.

I believe all the people are on the side of proper representation, and I believe that they do not understand adequately *how* they are being misrepresented. Helping that understanding is my job as an American citizen. The Constitution as it exists remains a good frame, but it needs amendments. But the biggest problem is that existing laws need enforcement. The Biden regime (and many state and local govs) are nakedly criminal on this.

From what I have learned from both sides of the Palestinian issues, I believe it has *never* been adequately discussed, never mind debated. Serious attempt at inclusive and exhaustive *public* airing of facts and values -- SIDE-BY-SIDE -- has, apparently, never come near to being done; or, if attempted, it has always been, and continues to be, nipped in the bud by offended powers. That's why it's impossible to find today.

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gypsy33's avatar

Sorry but I believe in a French-style revolution; NO QUARTER to those who support another nation above their own, and begin murderous wars on false pretexts.

Bring on the guillotines; I volunteer to hold the basket.

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russian_bot's avatar

Sexy!

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Is there a US political party that will condemn Israel for mass slaughter. The Jews have taken control. Pretty funny, eh?

You think pisshead Trump would be better? He would be worse.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Yes. I saw this.

I am glad she spoke out. It seems there are many 'milksops' in all the Govts?

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Judith Dyer's avatar

They're scared to death of the Jewish lobby, the Jewish donations, the Jewish everything.

Godbless the jews in the USA.... And, in Israel, who stand up for the Palestinian's right to not be slaughtered.

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Fran's avatar

I'm use to our forever hypocrisy. W're the good guys, but of course we are not, and Biden really makes that point., and has through his long political career. To think people were saying before his win in 2000 that he would be our savior. Also shows you how closely Americans pay attention to politics, and if they do any paper they pick up any channel they watch have lost all sense of objectivity and their intended purpose.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Through my years (84) I never paid attention to politics...I thought, How could one sort out the lies and the facts? I read classics, art, philosophy, the Bloomsbury group, Paul Bowles...that sort of offbeat stuff...........Then Trump! a cancer when he was running against Hillary, then it metastasized...He won!...4 years of chaos didn't end when he lost. Now, the Palestinian slaughter. And, potential bombing of Iran. Where was/is the truth??? What garbage are we fed? We are at the mercy of powerful power hungry leaders of industry/politics/military. I was right all along. It's damn hard to sort out the lies and facts.

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Fran's avatar

This is the absolute truth. My mother was an anti-Zionist. Don't know why, but it was a totally political position and not an anti-Semitic one that a few accused her of. When I listened I leaned some geography and some history, although I was not particularly interested since she concluded this will all end in a nuclear war, and what you see now is what she talked about many years ago. She felt the US will side with Israel's anti-Palestinian position and Russia and surrounding Arab states with Palestine. Russia will enter the fray, and a good possibility all will end in a nuclear war. She would talk in much more detail on this issue, but at that age it's nothing you want to hear. When this happened it really scared me because it felt like my mother's prediction was going to become a reality, and who knows, it might.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Your mother was very smart. And, she listened to her instincts and could 2 and 2 together.

Where is she now? Was she educated? Lived where? I want a full bio.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Yee gods! I have been telling young people...those who don't have children, "don't have children".....the future does not look like a place to introduce a child into. the climate, the politics, the whole damned mess. I tell them,"Get a dog or a cat"....unconditional love without the problems from children... and the expense! I raised 3 children under difficult circumstances...Their Dad stayed on board, same house in a nice town for 20 years. They all did very well but no rewards for me...and now, 2 have become alcoholics with no desire to quit. ..................................................... note: I have a cat who is really a nice "person".

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Another powerful heartrending cry from Caitlin. Vin Lo Presti, I have been having the same nightmare of children buried under the rubble. It heightened with the pictures of the murderous IDF rolling in with bulldozers in front of their war machines levelling the ground. Were they not only burying the children a second time but obliterating the evidence of a genocide.....

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Kevin Hammond CMT's avatar

😢😢

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Robert C's avatar

If you want to know about how the Muslims did the same horrible things as they just did in Israel, read book Defenders of the West. It is about the Crusades and decades after when Muslims invaded Europe over and over, raping, murdering, enslaving tens of thousands, in the name of Allah. Brave warriors including Kings fought them off over and over. So much destruction, for Allah. So many martyrs in heaven with so many virgins x 70! Yes they are so happy now! And more are going there now!

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Feral Finster's avatar

Seems you never read too much about the history of the Crusades.

For instance, before the Crusaders took Jerusalem in 1099, Jews had flourished and were tolerated under Muslim rule.

The heroic Defenders of The West burned the synagogue over their heads. They also engaged in a general massacre of Muslims

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JennyStokes's avatar

Why should the crusaders try to bring their religion into another country?

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Robert Billyard's avatar

No sympathy for Zelensky here, anybody who presides over the destruction of his country deserves to rot in hell. He was only useful to the US as long as he was winning; no more hugs from uncle Joe.

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Mike's avatar

He has never been winning. The goal has only been to launder money and war is great for that.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Among all the misery it was funny to see Netanyahu trying to imitate Zelensky!

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Mike's avatar

Speaking of Uncle Joe, another guy who is presiding over the destruction of "his" country...

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KC Erasmus's avatar

Question: When did Zelensky ever win???

The Ukrainians only gained ground when the Russians retreated through design, and the deceit of Ukranian peace negotiations.

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Robert C's avatar

The Muslims certainly do.

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Mike's avatar

Oh, let's judge!

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Robert REYNOLDS's avatar

I just wanted to write a short message of support for your comments (not only those you have made above Caitlin but also for those that you have been making since this Middle Eastern horror story began (I was going to say "a month ago" but as we both know, it all began long before that, perhaps more than a 100 years or so ago, possibly even longer than that. I am not a historian so I can't be definite about the date).

I dismiss these characters who might suggest that I am some sort of "anti-Semitic Nazi" because I dare to criticize the Israeli government, with the contempt that they deserve.

You do a marvelous job with this site Caitlin. We are all only human and I would not want to see your health affected because of the relentless suffering that you write about and the harsh, unwarranted and relentless criticism that you seem to receive. (I was quite taken by the poignancy of your essay yesterday.)

Quite frankly, I don't know how you keep it up at a mental or physical level. I could not do it. I was once fairly active in politics at the local ALP branch level but I had to 'back-off' for the sake of my own sanity after the 1977 federal election result when the voters rejected Gough Whitlam for the second time. I think that you are performing an extremely valuable community service with your website. Please make sure that you look after yourself so that you can continue doing this.

Best regards,

Robert

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Judith Dyer's avatar

It was the propaganda to say that if you criticize Israel...then, you are anti-semitic and godknows No One would want to be labeled THAT,...After all, the Holocaust , right? Bull. They've been working that to death. Well, guess what, it's over. They can stand on their own reputation as a country now....behaving badly, too. Calling Caitlin a Nazi? Note the "projection"? The Israelis are acting quite Nazi like ; arrogantly sadistic: no food or water for those rats, just destruction. ...the "Chosen People" like the Germans thought of themselves, too superior for words....Therefore: entitled.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

watched Norman speak in NYC...last night. very good with new insights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6dJMvZi5Zw

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gypsy33's avatar

Lovely sentiment, Robert 🙂

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Thanks so much for your powerful writing recently, it makes me feel a little less alone in a world of horror. I know that doesn't save any Palestinian children, but I thought I would say it anyway as we have to keep our spirits up somehow if we are going to defeat the butchers of the world.

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Susan T's avatar

"you get peace by making peace", yes, I agree with Caitlin's statement. Violence begets violence and it seems that is what Netanyahu wants to do. He is not interested in peace.

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Dr.Who's avatar

It turns out the “2-state solution” was always the “Minsk Accords” of the middle easy

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Mike's avatar

We need peace and safety.

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Jeano's avatar

Ya know, each of these paragraphs is so good that I think you should print them up as Christmas cards and sell them by the box, so we can all send them to our baby Jesus loving genocidists on their holiday of peace on Earth! Great stuff!

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Christian Zionists aren't real Christians, the Scofield bible they base their bullshit on is dangerous delusion. I feel your anger, but know the Zionist monsters are bombing Orthodox Christian churches in Palestine too.

Peace.

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Jeano's avatar

So what. Christian’s have caused more havoc in this world than just about any other religious bunch. Just because they aren’t doing the bombing this time and are getting bombed themselves by a crazier group of Abrahamists doesn’t mean I need to give them a break! And Christian Zionists are just as much Christian as Baptists, Catholics and other assorted peawits. The only “Christians” who may actually be christian are Quakers.

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Carolyn's avatar

OMG! Who cares what they are! These are children dying. Innocent people whose lives have been ended. Why are human beings killing human beings?

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Jeano's avatar

Because Christian’s and corporatists and US economic policy have pushed and enabled and funded this genocide. Just like they did in Rowanda where innocent human beings died by the thousands, children too. Did you care about that? Were you even aware of that and America’s complicity there? Just because you’re into misery porn now doesn’t mean you suddenly have the high ground and a superior moral conscience. You don’t.

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Carolyn's avatar

I find all the killing disgusting. I find the fact children are starving disgusting. I have no moral high ground. I'm very simple - I want the killing of Innocents to Stop

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Jeano's avatar

Who doesn’t? But I was answering Mr. Raven’s pontificating to me about Zionist monsters killing, o woe, Christians and somehow that was significant. As to you, if you find killing disgusting, do you eat meat? I bet your simplicity only goes as far as you are lead and no further.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

I used to be like you, an atheist full of hate and rage.

Then I found more peace within through prayer which is the first step towards finding peace without. Yes Christianity has been misused by power hungry people, but Jesus was not a man who advocated murdering children, the people who claim to be Christians who advocate for that are lost souls. I would further note that the most murderous world view which is state centralized communism that has the blood of a hundred million on its hands was strictly atheist. I would further note that state centralized communism was not what Marx intended. The point of all this is any world view can be twisted and used to rally people to hate and kill.

Your own blanket hate of all Christians you have on prominent display is closer to the rage that fuels genocide than anything in the New Testament. Ironically what you are engaging with your hate is sin, I too am a sinner and feel great rage at Zionists but I am trying my hardest to not let that bleed over into hatred of all Jewish people when many Jewish people bravely resist Zionism. I strongly suggest that you do the same regarding Christians and only condemn those who preach hate like Christian Zionists.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

I am an Old Bolshevik(meaning someone who actually believes in democracy in the workplace like Marx & Engels) and a pagan and I approve of this message.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Hi 5 brother, or should I say comrade? :-)

Ducks...

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Fortunately your hate is the good kind of hate, right?

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Robert C's avatar

Probably because HAMAS is hiding in Churches too. HAMAS has slaughtered the Christians by now.

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gypsy33's avatar

Jeano, if you go to IfAmericansKnew you can find Christmas cards that are pretty darn close

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Robert C's avatar

You fools it's Mohammad commanding all the violence and killing of Jews and all Infidels for 1000 yr.

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KC Erasmus's avatar

Really???

Please provide the verses in the Qur'an in which this is stated.

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Peter Purich's avatar

Caitlin, because of your thinking & writing, that's why I subscribed. Eyes on Gaza! Thank you.

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Paulo Kirk's avatar

Colleges and universities have been particularly targeted by Israel’s many friends, with mostly Jewish alumni holding back donations from those schools that do not explicitly denounce Hamas and praise Israeli “restraint” or that permit demonstrations by students supporting Gaza.

Students who sign on to protests about what is being done to the Palestinians are being identified and placed on lists that will be submitted to potential future employers and universities to make it more difficult for them to get good jobs or secure academic appointments and fellowships. Ambitious politicians out to endear themselves to Jewish campaign donors and voters, like Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida, have gone to extremes, banning Palestinian political groups at state universities and considering prosecution of members of such organizations for “hate crimes” as they are automatically being regarded as motivated by “antisemitism.”

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Human stain, the Jews in Israel, or, well, elsewhere?

French IDF Spokesman Defends Killing Over 4,000 Gazan Children on Live TV

https://rumble.com/v3ubnjj-french-idf-spokesperson.html

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Massacres, daily.

The Electronic Intifada’s contributing editor Jon Elmer analyzed the tenor of the Palestinian resistance’s actions against Israel’s week-long ground war.

“On any given day, there’s between 30 and 50 described actions that range from the constant rocket fire that’s been happening on Israeli cities and towns as well as the mortars,” he said.

“The Israelis are looking to move into the territory, and they’re doing it in large numbers. And so they have been seen in clusters in a way that I think … shows the lack of on the ground, actual warfighting experience that the Israelis have.”

He explained that the ground war that Israel promised in order to “re-establish the image of the Israeli army after it was humiliated in front of the entire world” on 7 October has not turned into any face-to-face fighting.

“The only fighting they’ve done is this continual massacring of civilians – as if bombing civilians is going to lessen support for the resistance when everybody knows it does the opposite of that.”

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Garrett Smith's avatar

Every college should be dismantled considering they are indoctrination centers turning kids into anti-American anti-human imbeciles. Homeschool and if you need a degree for the job you want find a route that keeps you out of the propaganda Mill called College.

Fuck those assholes holding money back because those bitches are upset not everybody cheers for genocide.

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Paulo Kirk's avatar

Every Fortune 10,000 corporation should be dismantled and the billionaires should be sent to the docks for their indoctorination centers and their anti-Constitution tricks -- no free speech, no recourse, no collective bargaining. Yeah, those "jobs" man, which shit job do you want? Amazon slaver? Walmart greeter? The propaganda mill is Edward Bernays and Mad Men and the dirty, pollluting, shit-hole corporations sending our own people into hell holes, from pig blood ponds in North Carolina as a product of the big pork processors to the Big Chem buddies. Home School? How's that X-ray tech home school thing going? Sure, home fucking school the world. And love those piece of human stain -- your loving Billionaires and millionaires running us poor ass broke backs into the ground. More dumb luck fucks coming out of mom's little factory of stupidity!

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Paulo Kirk's avatar

Hey, look at this site: Anti Finkelstein because he says he's a communist? What is wrong with these Substackers?

https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/why-i-took-down-the-finkelsteinmate/comments

My comments were about giving these folk other sources.

Like Carl Zha: Israel / Palestine : US attacks China's Stance with Rachel Blevins and Carl Zha

https://youtu.be/H-yBrWen9oU?si=1Ej8-J3S3kZpZe-Z

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TofuGolem's avatar

Everyone knows that the Nazis were famous for opposing genocide.

No.

Wait.

The Nazis were famous for pretty much exactly the opposite of that.

Sorry. It's so easy to get the two mixed up. Opposing genocide and doing it are so similar that it is very difficult to tell the two things apart. I apologize for the confusion.

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Susan T's avatar

I find it is difficult to see people refer to Nazi Germany, implying that all Germans were Nazis. The same in Israel where there are a lot of people who blindly hate Palestine but not everyone there. We need to try to understand what makes people so full of hate. Hopefully, the object is to eliminate hatred and the violence that follows it. We won't get there by promoting more hatred.

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Susan T's avatar

kind of hear what you are saying, but it seems to me to promote hatred rather than trying to understand how this has come about. Why did some people who were holocaust survivors or children of survivors become part of Independent Jewish Voices while other want to kill all Arabs. We cannot stop wars until we can stop hatred and we need to start with our own hatred. I also think that someone like Netanyahu is a power hungry, greedy person who may be a psychopath but that is one person. That is not the entire population of Israel. Without a doubt, like most western and European populations there is a lot of confusion, some hatred, a lack of empathy for "the other". We can oppose and criticize what people like Netanyahu and his cronies are promoting, but I think that promoting hatred of an entire population only increases the chances for more war.

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Susan T's avatar

I have always wondered why someone did not capture Hitler and his cronies and put them in jail or whatever. I don't understand or support an entire population being bombed and killed because they have an immoral, power hungry, hateful leader.

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Edijal Lowley's avatar

The ultra apartheid regime of Israel has never wanted peace; it has always wanted to genocide the people of Palestine starting with Gaza. I feel wrecked and I find myself always lost.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Edward

I too am holding on by a thread. I can’t eat. I can’t sleep without using a major tranquilizer; I’m frequently tempted to just down the entire bottle.

And my reason for living, my biggest distraction from the shithole of life, recently passed away; I refer to my beloved Morgan mare.

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James R SEVIER's avatar

The war funding will all be secret here in the States soon. Funding both sides of dozens of conflicts simultaneously kinda like a proxy Thunderdome of immiseration, destruction, and profit.

Too much wealth and power, blah blah cautionary tale, hey Dr. Strangelove is back on Youtube movies.

Justice for Palestine ♥

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Darren Gratten Whitney's avatar

Next, on Uncle Sam's Bloodlust Theatre: Sudan.

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KC Erasmus's avatar

Nope, Taiwan is their next intended victim, but I doubt that it will come off given that the forthcoming election in Taiwan might just throw a spanner in the works, although the West may possibly still attempt to intervene if things don't go their way in the election.

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Darren Gratten Whitney's avatar

Thanks, I'll have a look...

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Jack Lomax's avatar

I was fine about Israel for many many years and thought the poor persecuted Jews needed and deserved a sanctuary after all the had been through with the holocaust and all of the irrational Jew hating in the world. Then a friend began to tell me about the Zionists and asked me to do some research into what he was saying. I said that because up to this time I had respected him I would check out what he was alleging.After a couple of years my respectful attitude changed and friends began to accuse me of latent anti semitism . Ignorance is a type of bliss but if it means being unaware of which group is causing most damage and injury The bliss of ignorance of the evils of Zionism is in my opinion one that we must sacrifice and brave the scorn of the bought and paid for mainstream media

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Margie Ohrenberger's avatar

Astonished at my “ Christian” social media contacts who can’t see the evil in this genocide. Very sad.

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russian_bot's avatar

That tells you they're not Christian, they just call themselves Christian.

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Pauline P Schneider's avatar

Another Gem from Caitlin.

Truer words were likely never spoken this accurately.

Sadly, the warmongers don’t want peace. They don’t care how many die. They make money by destabilizing nations and inciting fear. I include Bernie Sanders as a warmonger who faked his pacifism for a long time. Makes me wonder why the deep state chose to run with Hillary in 2016 and 2020 instead of Bernie. No one likes her. He had most of America duped into thinking he was a progressive and most people like him. Surely his years of voting to spend our tax dollars on helping Israel murder Palestinian children must have given him some credit in the MIC club. All those arms dealers must secretly love Bernie. But maybe he wasn’t bloodthirsty enough and only Hillary Clinton could fill that need? Ironically this led to a Trump era that seems to never end.

The bloodbath that the Biden administration has wrought on the world will soon deliver a second term of Trump. Despite their attempts to neuter him. He’s like a cockroach, he can’t be killed.

This Gaza nightmare will only embolden the fascist racists in the US who want to make a parking lot out of Gaza. They can’t wait to get Trump back to help finish the job. Funny how they raged against the Ukraine war, but suddenly have a bloodlust for Palestinian children.

Only peaceful people want peace.

And there are far too few of us.

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Susan T's avatar

boric acid and diatomaceous earth will do in cockroaches. Too bad they wouldn't work on Trump. And Biden. And Netenyahu. And Trudeau. And Sunak. And all the other warmongers out there.

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Jo Waller's avatar

I read that calling for a ceasefire makes you a woke jihadist whore.

The support for the massacre is so revealing of the depth of control of high profile people and politicians.

It shows everything we suspected about the western propaganda machine is true.

This is just the warm up though. They are moving on to people who can really fight back. The largest industrial complex the world has ever seen. Prepare for the murder of 23 million Taiwanese, who don't have the benefit of support from their borders. The US cannot bear to have a rival economic model and a successful new silk road. This is what all this is all about.

They will stop at nothing.

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Ruben Ott's avatar

With Nazis, you have to be specific.

Bad Nazis ran Germany from 1933 to 1945.

In 1945 many Bad Nazis were brought to America to help run the country.

Once in America, they became Good Nazis .. and helped show us how to run things better.

The Good Nazis immediately brought innovation in Bio-Weaponry up to Nazi standards.

Very quickly, government health care, medical education, pharmaceutical manufacturers, informational services, as well as the legal system, joined forces and together brought America up to Nazi Standards.

Most important, the state bureaucracy at every level began to run on Nazi Standards.

Today Good Nazis are Running the Show in DC.

We are blessed. Adolf, though a Bad Nazi, would be proud to see the progress.

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