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Everybody should know and understand what is NEOLIBERALISM. It has been destroying governments and democracy for the last half century and is a primary reason we are in this mess. Neoliberalism has the stated goal of denigrating the role of governments to where they are no longer sovereign, but in corporate capture.

Everyone should read Prof. Wendy Brown's book Dancing in the Ruins of Neoliberalism , which is just what we are doing. To understand neoliberalism is to understand what is happening today-corporate power on steroids

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Thanks for the book suggestion Robert Billyard - seems like an interesting read.

BTW, the book is: "In the Ruins of Neoliberalism: The Rise of Antidemocratic Politics in the West" (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43019677-in-the-ruins-of-neoliberalism)

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

That title sounds a lot like “The Shock Doctrine,” by Naomi Klein. Well worth a read.

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I think they get it completely wrong. It is not the corporations who have captured government, but the other way around. Corporations have no power, governments do.

Governments have learned that they can bribe corporations to do the things that governments are supposedly not allowed to do by law. They contract out to corporations all the dirty deeds and then point the finger at the corporations and say, "it was them!". But it wasn't.

As Mussolini said, Fascism is the melding of government and corporate power. And of course these are Fascists who scream and point at everything and say, "FASCIST!!!"

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“Corporations have no power, governments do.”

Which anarcho-capitalist utopia do you live in? Galt’s Gulch, perhaps? Because for the rest of us who live in “The West”, this statement is certifiably false. To be as fair as possible, I agree that in every nation state and in every civilization throughout history, there is or has been a somewhat varied blend between public and private power. But, as a rule, in virtually every historic government in western civilization—go back as far as you like in history—private power has dominated “government”. The slave/master relationship is baked into corporate capitalism. If you don’t think so, and if you live in “the west”, you already know what happens when you fail to pay your mortgage, rent, credit card, medical bills, or car loan, or refuse to go along with any of the policies of your corporate workplace, (like trying to “opt out” of getting the latest vaccine). Or fail to agree to the “terms of service” of any online company. In fact, refusing to do what your corporate masters/rentiers/bankers require will get you *immediate* punishment without even a hint of due process, including no access to credit, fired from your work, de-platformed, forced into homelessness, and jail time. And the government will enforce the rights of those corporations over you with only a very few token exceptions. The fact is that when you work for a corporation, or when you agree to use their services, you abandon virtually all rights. If you are an American, you “voluntarily” give up your Constitutional rights when you engage in commerce.

As a test, please tell me of one U.S. corporation that gives their employees’ rights to free speech, freedom of assembly, privacy, or due process?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Well said JackSirius! I don't understand what deluded realities these people live in where they can conveniently separate different structures of power like "corporations" and "governments".

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ATM's avatar

Tell me which private companies services I need to use or which private company can jail me for my free speech, or which private company can do any of the things government has usurped powers to do, such as force me to trade or restrict who I trade with.

If a bank or software company is a shithole, I don't have to associate with them. if my employer is a Woke shithole, I don't have to work there and will not. there are still alternatives (for now). But it is only government that has the power to memory hole the alternatives, to end my choices and force me to do something I do not want to do.

It cannot be the corporations, it is only government.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Governments AND corporations belong in the same category - they don't compete against each other in the way you think and the simplistic representations you give to them - they unite together to fight against everyone else.

Corporations employ ex-Goverments exployees, just as Governments employ private sector workers from corporations (the proverbial Washington revolving-door policy).

They are, at best, two sides of the same coin - though I would go further and say they are the same side of one coin.

What you are doing is reducing complex relationships and interactions between two systems/structures into ridicously simple and incorrect explanations in an attempt to justify your understanding of how "power" truly works?

Maybe learning a bit about systems of power and truly understanding how Capitalism works will help you make finer distinctions?

Maybe it's part of the tendency in Western culture to taxonomize everything, something about abstract post enlightenment thinking, like where you categorize small things or take apart bigger things in order to understand them? Works fine when you are dealing with industrial machines, falls apart when you are dealing with people and organizations/systems-of-power composed of people.

And maybe I'm wrong in my assumptions and assertions above? If so, please expound on that.

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Susan T's avatar

Governments and corporations are made up of many of the same people. It seems nobody who does not have a lot of money even gets elected. I agree with you that they are the same side of one coin.

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not sure about that. I think money is in control

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Susan T's avatar

I really do not like the way you insist on saying over and over that Jews and Zionists are the same. I know many Jews who are not Zionists.

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Yes Sir - whatever you say - you are right. How could I even have the audacity of questioning your logic? Oh! silly me - if only I understood English better, everything you say would instantly make sense and be obvious. Why thank you "Realist" for that scintillating piece of advice. I will definitely take it into consideration and employ your "reasoning" in the service of future deliberations.

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Yes indeed but we need to understand that the Neocon Zionists who run the western system of capitalism have always known that the system they run is made legitimate by a fake shallow democracy applauded by a sophisticated mass propaganda system aka the free and fair media

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>>"Those behind this effort to destroy Western Civilization are neither liberal, conservative, nor any other political persuasion"

People don't need to try to destroy Western civilization. Western civilization will destroy itself on its own if it continues to behave like it currently does.

And people aren't out to "destroy" Western civilization. Only people that have a limited understanding of global history and cultures believe utterly prepostorous and absurd notions like "everyone is out to get us" and other such victimhood narratives.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"Perhaps you would like to explain why those in control are committing..."

I might if your leading questions and implied bias itself wasn't so absurd, and your insinutation and perception of things so corrupted by your apparent bias, and your lack of rationally correlating disparate events and social movements into some "grand theory" so unoriginal and representative of popular right-wing tropes.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Sure - use the trick that politicians do - ask non-sensical questions that don't deserve to be answerd - and then blame people and throw accusations at them for not answering said questions.

It's not a new game you know - of asking stupid questions, waiting for rational people to ignore such questions due to obvious flaws, bias, misleading insinuations and logically fallacious reasoning - and then saying - "Ha - see - you can't answer my question. So I must be right".

Have fun playing your games. I'm not about to encourage you even further.

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heavymetal101's avatar

The goal of wealth/power has been going on for awhile.. One can look at Sabbatai Zevi 1666 the Sabbateans movement, the rothchild connections etc. Most what started back then is comparable of what is going on today. Redemption through Sin

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Robert Billyard's avatar

Interesting to see the word "progressive" tacked in front of neoliberalism. It was a corporate coup d'etat from the outset . It can also been seen as a variant of fascism.

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The neoliberal oligarchs (aka “donors” in attached article)) are done with that now:

https://www.philanthropy.com/article/diversity-work-isnt-working-its-time-to-consider-a-new-approach

See above article and connect the dots with what the same overlords are paying the Supreme Court to do now:

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Neoliberalism - this is what he is talking about, not campaign corruption [cough] "finance".

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/aug/18/neoliberalism-the-idea-that-changed-the-world

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Penelope Prill's avatar

MA, you reduced Neoliberal shortcomings as the result of straightened finances. How utterly telling. Neoliberals worship Mamon.

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Primeordeal 01's avatar

I agree

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Penelope Prill's avatar

Do you worship Mamon?

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Selina Sweet's avatar

I've been getting lessons about my naivete. I feel such anguish over the genocide. That it's happening without anyone from the USA in the leadership fraternity similarly appalled and nigh on devastated by the naked slaughter of Palestinians astonishes and infuriates me. As hackneyed it is to say it all blows my mind as it squishes my heart. I cannot understand the silence of my two Washington senators - Cantwell and Murray. Not even their staff know why they are silent. It's like they both taken a sound and sight proof room to be in - so removed they are! Zombies. Without the least professional integrity to explaim/rationalize their silence to their constituents. How can your guts, your heart, your mind not be utterly repelled by the naked brutality, even sadism of the Israelis"? And to have your very own supposedly pinnacle representative of the peoples' voice and demands be in cahoots with this ethnic erasure and all it broadcasts - a pure gigantic blotting out of all the stuff engrained in us since kindergarten about the USA as a nation of justice, democracy, freedom. How can Biden, Blinken, Sullivan, McGurt not grok the gross dispicableness of such a huge crime against humanity? What IS the matter with them?

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jamenta's avatar

Even I find myself gobsmacked - in the face of an obvious genocide, a humanitarian slaughter we watch every day now - and yet, the majority of American politicians still remain silent. I knew most of the politicians from both parties in Washington DC were corrupt - but so corrupt they would even look the other way in the face of a Genocide? It boggles the mind.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

This isn't their first rodeo with Genocides - they (the US) did next to nothing with the Rohingya genocide, same with the Rwandan genocide, actively took part (or had a huge hand to play) in the Genocides of East Timor, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Syria, etc.

Looking at history, the US seems to often have been a supporter or creator of Genocides - may the most Genocidal country in modern history?

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Feral Finster's avatar

Not to mention Yemen a few years ago.

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Uncle Juan's avatar

Don’t forget the genocide of the preborn. 60,000,000+ in the US alone. Since 1973.

Russia is seeking to eliminate abortion.

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gypsy33's avatar

Here’s the problem with your rationalization, John.

Anti-choice are all about the fetus. Once that baby is actually born, it’s on its own.

Think of the millions of children living in poverty and struggling with food insecurity right now, while our money for social services is spent on forever wars. Is this what you want for these babies?

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jamenta's avatar

Mao Tse-tung was responsible for an estimated 40 million deaths. Not technically a genocide - but if you're going to point the finger at the US, might be good to look at other mass slaughters in human history as well. Stalin was responsible for an estimated 60 million deaths.

The Armenian genocide was also in the millions.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Yes, I never said the US is the only country to have committed Genocide - just the most genocidal country in modern history.

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pyrrhus's avatar

Churchill starved 5 million Bengalis to death, and millions of other Indians as well, so that he could steal their food for Britain..Some estimate he killed nearly 100 million Indians, putting him far ahead of Stalin and Hitler...

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jamenta's avatar

Stalin was alive 1878 - 1953. Stalin's systematic mass murder campaign (many he murdered were religious) and his forced labor Gulags killed at least 20 million, but many estimate up to 60 million since there were a massive amount of unrecorded murders- the Gulags happened in the 1920s to the 1950s.

Hitler murdered at least 6 million - the most often quoted, but more modern estimates put it more like at 16 million Hitler systematically murdered.

Mao Tse-tung also 1930s-1960s, responsible for an estimated 40 - 60 million murders.

Yes, I agree the US is responsible for plenty of mass murder these days - but I'm not sure if it is the *most* genocidal. My guess is that title belongs to Mao.

Unless, by Modern you narrow it down to the last few decades ... Although that is not typically how historians coin the term.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Most genocidal = frequency (i.e. number of genocides), not magnitude.

Modern history = let's assume last 500 years?

Also, US inflicted genocides in "foreign states/countries" - NOT their own. (Edit: Actually - I take that back - they were responsible for the Genocide of the Native Americans). And that is a very important distinction.

Also, Russian & Chinese genocides were results of bad policies, incompetency, bad management, etc. Think on that. The causes of these genocides were very different from the genocides perpetrated by the US.

Maybe stop trying to defend the US so desperately and look at things more objectively?

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Contrarian 33's avatar

Jamenta

The Holodomor in The Ukraine as it was then, 1932-33, was also a contender for murder numbers, this time by starvation, some of the examples I have read over time were so cruel.

Stalin again. Used the Ukraine as the vegetable bowl for Russia

But yes, Mao would take the prize, I think.

On a positive note for a second....

It is hard to realise what China has done since those days, since the end of WWII. Saw some pictures of structures completed in the last twenty years and it is almost unbelievable. From a WWII peasant environment to what it is today. Just amazing.

It is handy to have a 1.4 billion workforce though.

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Ken's avatar

Not approving of Stalin and Mao but the higher numbers ... 40 - 60m attributed to them is primarily due to famines created by their policies. So technically they didn't kill that many people but made non-war policy decisions that likely led to the deaths. If you go that route, the British were responsible for many genocides. The Bengal famines of the early 20th century were entirely due to British govt policies in India. That's when Churchill, when informed of the large number of deaths due to starvation in Bengal disdainfully said 'It's all their fault. Because they breed like rabbits.'

Nothing new. A cursory reading of history show that humans have always been cruel.

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pretzelattack's avatar

the higher numbers attributed to them were also the result of Western destabilization and efforts to control them, which also were partly responsible for famines.

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Gnuneo's avatar

The British Empire by some academic estimates reached nearly 200 MILLION victims - what do you think the French, Spanish, Belgium also "achieved"?

Kinda puts those "Official Tut Tut" numbers to shame.

America is catching up rapidly.

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Susan T's avatar

jamenta: I don't see how pointing the finger at other bad guys is doing much about what is going on NOW.

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jamenta's avatar

Sorry, I'll only point the finger at Israel and the US. Let me know if I make any further mistakes.

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pretzelattack's avatar

point the finger at the capitalists who have been demonizing Russia for a hundred years while you're at it.

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exactly.

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jamenta's avatar

To many people are delusional when regarding the evils of Capitalism by assuming Communism is some kind of fairy tail of Unicorn goodness.

You are naive as fuck.

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you seem to have fallen for some anti communist propaganda.

talin was alive 1878 - 1953. Stalin's systematic mass murder campaign (many he murdered were religious) and his forced labor Gulags killed at least 20 million, but many estimate up to 60 million since there were a massive amount of unrecorded murders- the Gulags happened in the 1920s to the 1950s.

Hitler murdered at least 6 million - the most often quoted, but more modern estimates put it more like at 16 million Hitler systematically murdered.

Mao Tse-tung also 1930s-1960s, responsible for an estimated 40 - 60 million murders.

the vastly inflated numbers that anticommies used for Stalin typically included Russian deaths in World War 2. same people miscounted Mao. It's like Ukrainian government sources on Russian casualties, don't trust people who have a vested interest in demonizing the opposition.

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Mikhael's avatar

Bingo. We're the best at it too, (and don't forget it!).

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gypsy33's avatar

Right on Jeano! This country was built on genocide and the backs of the enslaved!

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Politicians not taking a stand against powerful evildoers? I'm not at all surprised.

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jamenta's avatar

The only profession I can think of that is probably even lower down the ladder would be Lawyers.

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gypsy33's avatar

Jamenta, don’t trash lawyers until you need one!

For me, it was a traumatic whiplash accident.

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jamenta's avatar

I know, I know. Couldn't resist. Mia Culpa!

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jamenta's avatar

"Politics is not a profession."

Sure it is - these days it pays quite well.

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Mikhael's avatar

You have to understand. We manufacture and support wars in order to sell our WEAPONS OF WAR. Not too hard to understand now is it? It's not about territory like it used to be. Now we just want the cash. However, on the subject of Israel and Gaza, it's just a little 'different'.

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Primeordeal 01's avatar

It completely boggles mind as well.

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jamenta's avatar

Corruption for me is synonymous with money, legalized bribery - money, the root of all evil.

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Ken's avatar

The correct quote is "Love of money is the root of all evil."

Money itself is neutral. It can do a lot of good, but also a lot of evil.

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It's a good method of wealth distribution but once usury is involved, especially at the genesis of money when it's created as a loan, an entry in a ledger with a fictitious number, then this imaginary money is weaponized to the endless benefit of banksters who can then buy as many politicians as they want. There's always a shortage of money each austerity cycle they put us through. Then we get an insatiable desire for this imaginary money that puts us further and further into unredeemable debt. A bit like drinking sea water to cure thirst. Our lives have been stolen from us so we now spend our time chasing imaginary money while the banksters also capture both sides in wars to secure more debt slavery in both victor & loser. We need happy interest debt-free money to help us create a better world. We can make a start anywhere in the world here: https://www.complementarycurrency.org/

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jamenta's avatar

Yes - good call. It's really the lust for it as you say.

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gypsy33's avatar

Right, Jamenta. We’re happy enough to be able to pay our bills and if we’re lucky, have a bit left.

That being said, if I ever win the lottery, I’M BUYING CONGRESS! 😁

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the Lust for Money's

where the Root

of all Evil lies

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it's just

a Tool.

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oh.

okay.

so what

makes a tool

'Evil,' then? can

a Hammer be evil?

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My US Rep, Dan Kildee, along with Detroit-area Debbie Dingell, have both signed Cori’s legislation for ceasefire.

I may be patting myself on the back, but I believe I had a hand in the former. I told his DC office that I hand no problem standing outside his local office with a sign that read DAN KILDEE SUPPORTS GENOCIDE!

Next time I looked on Code Pink’s list of signatories, there he was! 😁

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I have long been impressed by how small political bribes are. In the old days of the Texas legislature the boys would sell out for a steak dinner.

Things were very different in my youth because the unions had a lot of money and votes. Pretty much gone except teachers, police, and workers for the states, and those are under constant assault.

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How much money did AIPAC donate to your Senators?

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Wyden took over from Bob Packwood as the Senator from Israel in Oregon. He’s been beating the war with Iran drums for 30 years.

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Robert Billyard's avatar

One of the very big reasons this is happening is that we voters have been disenfranchised. The politicians we elect are not accountable to us but to their corporate masters they too whom they have sold their souls. We are seeing the collapse of democracy along with everything else . It is no coincidence Western politicians are so silent and the streets are full of protests the media doesn't report. Liberalism is dead in Western countries.

They are running mushroom farms-keeping us in the dark and feeding us bullshit propaganda

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pyrrhus's avatar

If these people aren't possessed by demons, they might as well be....They care only about money and power...

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BJ's avatar

All politicians are whores who'll sleep with anyone for a buck - even the enemy!

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Susan T's avatar

Most whores are way more honourable than any politician. Sad that you use women to insult people who are mostly men that you don't like.

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BJ's avatar

It was an analogy Sue I meant no malice - is there anything a politicians would not do for money? Is there anyone they will not get in bed with no matter how despicable they are?

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Susan T's avatar

Well, it was malicious, whether you meant it or not. And my name is not Sue, altho I doubt that would matter to you.

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BJ's avatar

Ouch!

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Hi Selina

It’s the Benjamins, remember?

AIPAC plans to spend $100 million on elections in ‘24 to get their candidates elected. Imagine if a Chinese or Russian group did the same; the outcry would be deafening.

Not that this is any excuse whatsoever. Politicians, as I’ve said before, are “people” who can’t get real jobs.

My take on an old country song, as pertains to Genocide Joe:

Prop me up inside the White House if I die

Lord I know I’m goin’ to hell and I don’t wanna go tonight

Fill my shoes up with sand

Put AIPAC money in my hand..

Prop me up inside the White House if I die.

PS I suspect this has already happened.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Selina. Good comment. It is deeply depressing to understand that so few Govts. speak out against this genocide. You are not alone. I live in Europe and our leaders are very similar.

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You might take a look at the political history of what happened to Senator Paul Findley. I’m pretty sure he’s the poster boy for what happens if you cross AIPAC and the like.

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Mikhael's avatar

Same here, Selina. Same here. :(

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When I lived in Blumenhauer’s district in the early 2000s, I recall him joining the protests against the war in Iraq. Apparently that’s what years of entrenched power will do to you. I hope you are one of those still attending the peace vigils at Pioneer square every Friday. Dan Handelman’s been organising this for 21 years.

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The Democrats quickly realized that neoliberalism was more profitable and a lot less work. They cashed in their liberal credentials and turned themselves into useful idiots pimping for the empire’s wars.

Read more here: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v28/n18/tony-judt/bush-s-useful-idiots

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The longer this genocide drags on the uglier it's going to get for the Democrats, and particularly Joe Biden. Hello Trump.

The left in so many countries has become the faux left. We who are actually on the left are politically without a home.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

There is Dr Cornel West, Dr Jill Stein, and Claudia de la Cruz. But if you mean any who stand a chance of upsetting the electoral rotten apple cart, there’s nobody.

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Not totally without a political home. Check out the Green Party US. Jill Stein is a vocal opponent of genocide. www.jillstein2024.com

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

I'm in Canada and the Green Party isn't quite the same here.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Diana van Eyk.

Here in France I just read that Melanchon (Socialist) is agreeing with many things that Macron is doing.

Makes me want to vote Communism!

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

Ugh! France too. What has happened to the left?! So many of us are politically homeless.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Yes we are. I don't know which country you come from in Europe but I look at the election of Gert Wilders. Have you all lost your minds.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

I'm in Canada, and same situation here too.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Yes I see that.?????????????

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

Didn't you just say you weren't sure what European country I was from? Just offering clarification...

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Melanchon knows full well that France is a puppet state and he knows what the puppetmaster wants to hear.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Yes.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

So true!

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They cannot do otherwise. Those who, through the banking system, control the money with which they control the entire society have designated them all. In addition, they were designed to achieve the precise objective of safeguarding a system aimed at the accumulation of wealth through the profit deriving from the exploitation of labour.

And, when it is no longer possible, due to the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, the system uses financial speculation, the so-called "financial capitalism", through which, to support consumption, i.e. sales, money created out of nothing is lent with interest.

Moreover, when loans are not repaid for the salary does not allow it, what does the system do? The wealth previously produced is taken. With expropriation. In this way the concentration of wealth is progressively increasing. And, as a result, poverty increases.

And the poor are not even free to rise up, because they don't have the resources to do so and must first and foremost think about surviving.

It is the “slavery” of capitalism.

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And it goes beyond the individual these days as the financial system of the West holds or controls the cash reserves of many nations who fear they will lose everything if they step out of line. The rise of BRICS, and exchanges in local currencies, are possible ways for more countries to break free of the West.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

So true!

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Completely agree Rodolfo Marusi Guareschi. Well said!

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Gareth Richmond's avatar

Shitlibs are the absolute worst

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

If the left ever lived in America, it lived mostly with Malcolm and the Black radicals. And, yeah it feels like there are dribs and drabs of resurgence now -- a mass urge to differentiate from the empire slime you so ably characterize in this piece. But I worry that's just my heart talking, emoting bubbles of hope that there still is the possibility of tearing these people from the reins of leadership, of power. But mostly I despair of the possibility and see the billious faces of Biden and Netanyahu floating over the planet like giant opacities to human cognitive sunlight.

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Davos Man & American 'liberals' are enablers of Genocide & Ethnic Cleansing.

Muslim Americans & Jewish Americans have been LOST as well as millions nationwide:

Nobody from said communities will touch them with a ten foot pole on election day.

They have no legitimacy left & their political 'coalition' is DEAD.

After Friday, the rest of US global standing will be gone once the ICJ ruling is out!

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(For those interested)

If you wish to read (& listen!) to more of My commentary, here is my Main Stack:

https://thefallofthewest.substack.com

Thank You Kindly to everyone!

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I believe that the “liberal Americans” are actively protesting Israel, Biden , Congress actions in Gaza and elsewhere. I know that I am. We have no illusions. I’m not certain “ liberal” is the correct term. I would use good human beings.

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These labels have been forced upon the masses to force allegiance to the donkeys or the elephants. We must dismantle and rise above this tyranny.

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Marcus Judd's avatar

LOL, you are blind. Neither Republicans or the Democrats cares about you; They never had. You only see what YOU want to see.

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William Justice's avatar

Is Global Mask-off Moment Schadenfreude a thing? Because I think that’s what I’m feeling

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Cheryl's avatar

Trump is in lockstep with Biden on Gaza.

Judge Napolitano pretty much summed it up in the podcast.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qzkbd7C2M4s

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Thank you for your post I have never seen the world with such clarity until after Oct7th. I am grateful to be disillusioned. I am distressed and frightened for all humanity. How do remove these multiple layers of oppression?

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In the west's Democratic Dictatorships the traditional power elites have now perfected the system of large donor corruption and the manufacture of apparent consent so that voting here is just as meaningless as voting in Russia or North Korea. How the hell do we change it?

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Got to get rid of the corruption. Get the money out of politics. But how do you do that? You need some kind of People's Movement - strong enough to withstand the inevitable Establishment assault that will be heavily funded. And your Movement will be undermined by deep state infiltrators. It may already be too late - they are now working on mass censorship and even more draconian State powers. Which means the only way out of a Totalitarian state is through a violent rebellion. Probably won't happen though in our lifetime. But we may not have to worry much about it anyway, since it does seem like Biden and his NeoCon buddies are doing their damndest to start World War III. And guess what? A nuclear war means we're all fucked - you're going to want to be at ground zero - you don't want to be alive after a global nuclear exchange. I say we're now at about 50/50 - closer than we've ever been to such an event. People seem to think World Wars can't happen - pretty much what people thought before the last two world wars - normalcy bias I guess.

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Agree - and, sadly, it is often war that forces change - like the Labour party in the UK after WW1 and WW2. Soldiers come back and realise they have been tricked, fighting and dying for a class of rulers who don't care about the people. Sometimes it takes years - in the UK and US people are at last realising that e.g. the reasons given for war in Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, or the wars "on terror" or drugs are all fake, gaslighting - the agenda behind them is to make money or carry out revenge attacks or stupid geo-political games played by sociopaths.

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Susan T's avatar

Change might be difficult after a few nuclear blasts. Well, other than the change that the blasts will cause

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Perhaps we could implement ranked-choice voting with a “none of the above” choice included.

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yes - some sort of Proportional Representation as well - the problem is that none of our politicians will go for changing the 'first past the post' system for fear of losing their position in the party - i.e. their job

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In Russia and NK, and many other countries - Egypt, Iran maybe - there is only one real candidate, or one party as in China - in the UK and the US we used to have "opposition" parties - but now have a fake choice - the 2 parties and candidates all have the same policies and agendas both domestic and foreign. Maybe you know different in Russia?

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In the UK at least, there used to be a proper socialist party with different policies to the conservatives - the Labour Party that enabled our NHS to be created. But over the years it has been gradually moved to the right, by Tony Blair and others, and lately - when we had a real socialist in Jeremy Corbyn, the tactics changed to smear campaigns and dodgy financial deals. Our media constantly tell us that Mr. Putin is a 'dictator' (and 'evil) and can just do whatever he wants - which I always thought was very exaggerated, there are other powerful politicians in Russia I think. But we are not supposed to believe that he is actually popular - although - again from news media - it seems that direct opposition is very difficult, or even dangerous. Maybe it's just that Putin does understand what most people want .... I have a theory that the American government hates China because they are insanely jealous that the Chinese Communist Party is unopposed, and they don't have to waste a lot of time and money on fake elections, they can just do what they want! But I suspect Chinese politics is just as complex as in any other large state, with various factions vying for power.

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Labour discovered high living and decided that they liked it.

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yes - it started after WW1, there were quite a few communist supporters in the 30's, then labour became the government after WW2. I can se why people support Putin- did he help control the oligarchs after the big privatisation?

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Susan T's avatar

My cousin told me he is a libertarian. He thinks it is the same as being an anarchist. He wants no government so he will not be burdened with rules and regulations. He, like many, do not at all understand that anarchism is about reversing the pyramid. It is about government from the bottom up. It is about changing or eliminating the present system, but it is not, for most, about eliminating any kind of government at all. Looking at the present governments in the world, it does seem like a good idea to get rid of all government. It isn't, in my opinion. We have to change how we govern ourselves, governing ourselves being an important consideration.

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jamenta's avatar

Your cousin would be in for a rude awakening if he ever found himself living in a society without any government. It's a libertarian dream fantasy that would within days, turn into a nightmare.

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ps: By the way, did you even bother to read the article links you just sent? The third sentence regarding the first link on Belgium:

"where Belgium had no federal government and was governed by an interim government."

So if your argument seriously is an "interim government" is not actually a government - you're shitting in the wrong pond here.

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jamenta's avatar

Really have grown tired of this Libertarian shit that government is evil. It's right-wing horseshit. I've been hearing this crap my entire life - at least since Ronald Reagan - you know the mother fucker that dismantled worker's unions, insisted Government was evil - while at the same time this fucker increased the US debt more than any president in US history. Ronald Reagan created a massive US debt - and increased government spending immensely. Hypocrites every one of them.

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Well said jamenta! What people don't seem to get is that the "Government is evil" propaganda ploy is used to gut the very system that is responsible for providing a social safety net for the most disadvantaged of us.

So this is the strategy:

(1) Cut government funding and reduce budgets.

(2) Because of these cuts and lowered budgets, governments are unable to provide the support that people need. (There are other factors of course such as corruption, etc.)

(3) Becuase the government cannot provide adequate support due to all these cuts, people suffer. Now, these same people that are proponents of "cuts" and "smaller" governments use the resulting situation (of public dissatisfaction and outrage) to turn around and say - "See! I told you so - Governments are evil and they won't help and support you."

(4) These "see I told you so" people then use this faulty and fallacious logic and reasoning to justify further cuts and expenditures by the Government - thus making the situation worse - something like a negative feedback loop/cycle.

(5) These "see I told you so" people (proponents of small government and cuts) then gaslight the public into supporting the very actions that created the problems in the first place.

(6) And all these people that complain about "government funding" and "government budgets" and consider themselves to be "smart and perceptive and rational thinkers" fail to observe and realize what is happening to them right in front of their eyes - as a consequence of their own support for proponents of "cuts and small government".

Oh, the irony would be so laughable if the consequences weren't so pernicious.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Very well said Susan T!

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Sarah May Grunwald's avatar

Jesus H your newsletter brings out the boomer trolls. Every time I restock your newsletter there they are, trolling about abortion rights. Meanwhile women in Palestine don't have access to tampons. I mean they really experience a delusional form of cognitive dissonance if they can keep towing the party line as they do. IT DOESN'T GET WORSE THAN GENOCIDE asshats. I am not a Bernie bro. I'm just not going to participate in a corporate duopoly that pits pieces of shit against pieces of shit and nobody benefits.

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Andrew Thomas's avatar

As a boomer who is not a troll (at least in the sense you speak of) I agree with everything else you say. Abortion rights are (were?) important. I saw no interest among Democrats until they disappeared, and the fund-raising utility for whining outrage about it increased dramatically. If the only candidates for an office are war criminals and genocidaires, you just don’t vote. You aren’t the problem- the system that produces that kind of ‘choice’ is the problem.

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"The job of the so-called liberal “moderate” has never been to oppose racism, fascism, tyranny, injustice or genocide, their job is to perpetually give the thumbs-up to one head of the two-headed monster that is the murderous western empire. Their job is to help put a positive spin on a globe-spanning power structure that is fueled by human blood."

Like a vampire, western imperialism lusts after human blood. It's time to put a stake into its heart and decapitate it for the good of all.

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