If you're an American, as I am, and you call yourself a patriot, THIS is what you should be hoping for — NOT a US "victory". US bases, ships, and other assets damaged, and Israel turned to rubble.
And you perhaps need to get a bit more realistic about the possibilities. "Patriot" in this context means supporting every decrement in the demise of the empire. But if you think armed insurrection against the enormous police state that exists here is conceivable, you're stretching reality to a thin thread. The empire rots from within by bitch-slapping all those traditional 'patriots' into stark awareness. The US military, navy at least, is beginning to awaken. Until the brutal domestic police forces can start to turn, none of the "overthrow" of which you speak will ever happen; history tells you something of that story.
"you perhaps need to get a bit more realistic about the possibilities..."
Myself, and the rest of the world - AKA the victims of the rogue US regime - don't need to do anything, least of all listen to the whining of USian "patriots".
Well I did attempt to be polite and ask you to review the history of insurrections regarding the need to turn police, that's really all. But you just NEED to be an asshole. Ergo, go fuck yourself, you clearly don't have the requisite synaptic networks in your fucking head to understand. Any true patriot in the US recognizes its government is shit, illegitimate, and murderous and always has been. But this talk of "overthrow" is just plain stupid and a-historical. And your attempt to color all of us the same really pisses me off because it's the quintessence of ignorance. So again, Wake the fuck up.
And here's my model of a US "patriot": Malcolm X. Man opened more minds to the reality of the US as BOTH a domestic and international murderer than anyone else. THAT is what VinLP agitates for as "realism", not the absurdity suggested by g4rg4ntN.
Patriotism is tribalism, and tribalism is the lowest common denominator of humanity. War is one of the products of tribalism. Tribalism is nothing to celebrate.
Apart from that, I agree with all you wrote. I hope this latest war will be the one that comes back to bite both the US and Israel.
Never been a better time to act locally, and connect with others and stop mass tech surveillance in our country aka Flock cameras, as they'll use it on us.
I hate Israhell and the Epstein virus they spawn against world. They are sll sadistic thieves and racists. Good ones could take passport and suitcase at any age snd left their apartheid insanity and brutality. Long live Iran and liberated Palestine. Praise to Houthis. Stand stron Lebanon and Cuba, Venezuela!!!
Never been a better time to take back our country locally - and protest the Flock camera surveillance system that will be used against us. https://romanshapoval.substack.com/p/flock
This idea was already raised this week, i.e. that the US might use “tactical” nukes when they realise that they are running out of missiles & Iran is not surrendering.
I am afraid, Iran doesnt stand a chance against these two. they are attacking it on its soil. Israel has the Irone dome and US defenses. This is going to end badly for Iran I am afraid.
it's not propaganda you dink, it is reality. I have eyes. Israel just striked a girl's school in Iran and killed over 50 children. That is not bad enough for you? That's winning? The last time Iran barely touched any civilians. They are starving from sanctions and they just dont have the military capacity of the US and israel combined. Stop being in denial. This is going to end up badly for Iran - Israel and the US may see some property damage and at most a few soldiers killed. That's it.
I certainly HOPE SO - if you see the big picture the BRICS countries need to do something - otherwise (as Mr Carney said - who unfortunately is a lying politician too - you are either at the table or on the menu!) it is over and the disgusting HEGEMON has won (woe to all of us - the dozens of new 'alligator alcatrazes' are waiting for us!!)
ya Iranian ones will be killed. What US civilians do you think will be harmed? You guys have avery warped sense of what constitutes winning in a war. I guess Palestine is winning too eh? good god...just accept the reality that the empire is winning. It sucks but it's true.
You are underestimating Iran badly, yes it's sad when children and grown ups get killed but that is the reality of war. A war that Iran did not start but who have not been sitting idle, they've been adding to their missile supplies, working out defensive plans. This is not going to be like Iraq and the USA couldn't win that one either, Iraq was an easier job in comparison.
how exactly? You think you gonna get bombed sitting on your cushy chair at home in the West far from the missiles? At most the US will see some property damage. At worst, the national deficit grows. That's it. The only victim here is Iran, period.
Actually, I'm an optimist! I think nuclear war will destroy human civilization, but I think humans themselves might survive in small groups reduced to a pre-historic level of subsistence.
being inconvenienced and a higher cost of living is not the same as being turned into a failed state and rubble. The only victim here is Iran, period. I wont wanna hear about y'all westerners pretending that paying high gas prices and inflation was some kind of a price you are paying on the same level as Iranians being slaughtered. JFC.
And no country will drop nukes on anyone on behalf of Iran. Dont be naive.
I think your declarative statement on nuke dropping is what is naive here. If the Chinese, or the Russians, for that matter, see their access to Iranian oil potentially expiring, and view that as existential threat, and the U.S./Israelis have deployed tactical nukes in an attempt to bring Iran into the Western orbit, the choice to drop nukes will most certainly be on the table, and probably a coin flip from being implemented.
Fuck Fuck the USA/Israel Epstein Class and others. Wage Peace and Justice and make Palestine Palestine Again. I support Irans right to defend itself. Have to go, people with masks at windows and banging on doors. Blowback is not a Zionist Beach Resort. Wage Peace and Justice.
Fuck everyone in the "alternative" media that promulgated the lie that this pedophile child murdering president was going to end the wars that are the lifeblood of the rogue US regime, and be a peace president in stark contrast to every other president in the history of the rogue US regime. These clowns are as much responsible as any pro-rogue US regime propagandist.
The organized crime outfit masquerading as a country known as the rogue US regime can and will never embrace peace as long as there are profits to be made through imperialism, and the imposition of monopoly capitalism through chaos and violence.
Someone like George Galloway comes to mind as someone complicit in this outrage - someone that that you might have thought should know better, but instead doubled down by regularly platforming hateful figures like Scott Ritter, and other conservative middle aged white supremacist Western chauvinist imperialist clowns from the rogue US regime, and the wider West.
Please show us where either Galloway or Scott Ritter support this war. WTF are you babbling about, fool? Ritter especially has been tireless in opposing every US war for 30 years, typically the Israeli genocide of Palestine and the US proxy war in Ukraine and Russia. He's also not a "conservative white chauvinist supremacist imperialist". Do you have a habit of mischaracterizing anyone you disagree with by first failing to understand anything about them?
Your comprehension skills are lacking. At no point did I say that GG or SR supported "this war" - whichever war of the rogue US regime you were referring to I am not sure, but irrespective.
My point - if you had cared to read my comment - was that GG and others (including SR who GG regularly platforms) pushed the idea that the orange child rapist was indeed going to bring about peace with respect to the Ukraine conflict. This was a patent falsehood as anyone that had been awake and paying attention during the first orange administration would attest.
Hopefully when you grow up your critical thinking skills will, I'm sure, extend beyond the puerile reductive "with us or agin us" mode of analysis you have demonstrated. Until then, I suggest you leave the debate to the adults.
Your arrogance is truly astounding. Trump would be very impressed with you. Also, you have great difficulty making yourself clear about what you here profess to have done. You said GG and SR were "complicit in this outrage," and I'm supposed to KNOW by that you mean having had the wrong idea about Trump resolving the Ukraine Russia war 2 or 3 years ago?
This piece by Caitlin is about the war on Iran the US and Israel just launched, not what was erroneously thought by some about Trump being a peace candidate at any time in the recent past. Yes, Ritter was wrong about that, as were many others. But I suppose only you have never judged anyone or anything wrongly, only to find out later that you were wrong. Your self-righteous arrogance is most noteworthy.
What the hell "the puerile reductive . . ." etc. is supposed to mean, I haven't the foggiest notion, and I did not say anything that equates to "with us or agin us," but when you said this earlier: "The organized crime outfit masquerading as a country known as the rogue US regime can and will never embrace peace as long as there are profits to be made through imperialism, and the imposition of monopoly capitalism through chaos and violence", I couldn't agree more. I've been writing and talking about that for close to 50 years. But apparently you enjoy making enemies even of those who fundamentally share your opinions.
Do you have other methods of shooting yourself in the foot?
As for "the adults" undertaking the debate you think you've hijacked, I've been around the block far longer than I'd suspect you have. And one thing I've learned is that asshats like you don't move the needle any closer toward peace, in any respect, neither personally nor politically.
In these very dark times, I just want to thank you for your voice Caitlin. I have never disagreed with ANYTHING you have written and never related to another human being more. You somehow put all my thoughts in perfect order. So again thank you and yes, fuck everyone responsible for these horrific times. I will resume crying now. 💔
This is it. Bibi on visits pulls out his trump card blackmail his boy Epstein collected and gets Trumpy to swallow. Sick Congress, Sick duopoly, sick and sadvAmericans
.....oh...I see. Hadn't thought of that. Jewish jefftheperve...(ergo, israyhell) has the goods - ALL the goods - on fuhrerLARDObrownstinkybutt...videos, pics, text...of...what? ...child rape? Torture? Porn production? Voyeurism? Torture? Sacrifice?.....MURDER? Just askin'. Just askin'. Beebeenuttuyahood had ALL the goods...that plus AIPAC $$$$$$$$$$$
I feel the same way. What do you even say when there is no attempt to even lie anymore? It's just 'we'll do what we want and you can't stop us'.
Feels really hopeless and grim, Israel and the U.S. have never been so emboldened to just kill and take what they want. The international community has zero willpower to step in, opposition parties are paid y the same war-profiteers as the ones doing the current bombing, and the media will do what it always does in times of war.
“A wolf, meeting with a Lamb astray from the fold, resolved not to lay violent hands on him, but to find some plea to justify to the Lamb the Wolf’s right to eat him. He thus addressed him: “Sirrah, last year you grossly insulted me.”
“Indeed,” bleated the Lamb in a mournful tone of voice, “I was not then born.”
Then said the Wolf, “You feed in my pasture.”
“No, good sir,” replied the Lamb, “I have not yet tasted grass.”
Again said the Wolf, “You drink of my well.”
“No,” exclaimed the Lamb, “I never yet drank water, for as yet my mother’s milk is both food and drink to me.”
Upon which the Wolf seized him and ate him up, saying, “Well! I won’t remain supperless, even though you refute every one of my imputations.”
Moral: The tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny.”
I agree with every fuck you mentioned, I was horrified although it was not unexpected, always they attack when something like Ramadan is going on. I put myself through Trump's long-winded lying announcement but to ease the pain I turned the sound off and read the words on screen, though I tend to agree with you that no matter what anyone else says they know it's based on lies.
I'm waiting for Prime Minister Starmer here to bluster his way through countless excuses for letting our airbases be used to let the USA's war planes gather before heading to the Air Force base in Southern Israel last Tuesday.
Yes you are correct Caitlin.........what is there to say!
I just hope Israhell is reduced to rubbish.
If you're an American, as I am, and you call yourself a patriot, THIS is what you should be hoping for — NOT a US "victory". US bases, ships, and other assets damaged, and Israel turned to rubble.
If you are a resident of the rogue US regime and you are still using terms like "patriot" then you are part of the problem.
Unless you are rising up and overthrowing your criminal regime masquerading as a government you are ultimately complicit in it's crimes.
And you perhaps need to get a bit more realistic about the possibilities. "Patriot" in this context means supporting every decrement in the demise of the empire. But if you think armed insurrection against the enormous police state that exists here is conceivable, you're stretching reality to a thin thread. The empire rots from within by bitch-slapping all those traditional 'patriots' into stark awareness. The US military, navy at least, is beginning to awaken. Until the brutal domestic police forces can start to turn, none of the "overthrow" of which you speak will ever happen; history tells you something of that story.
"you perhaps need to get a bit more realistic about the possibilities..."
Myself, and the rest of the world - AKA the victims of the rogue US regime - don't need to do anything, least of all listen to the whining of USian "patriots".
Well I did attempt to be polite and ask you to review the history of insurrections regarding the need to turn police, that's really all. But you just NEED to be an asshole. Ergo, go fuck yourself, you clearly don't have the requisite synaptic networks in your fucking head to understand. Any true patriot in the US recognizes its government is shit, illegitimate, and murderous and always has been. But this talk of "overthrow" is just plain stupid and a-historical. And your attempt to color all of us the same really pisses me off because it's the quintessence of ignorance. So again, Wake the fuck up.
You seem hysterical! No need for a tantrum young woman. Hopefully you feel a little better after your "centre of the world" moment.
Now you may go back to cute chants at the social events you USians refer to as demonstrations.
With respect, you do realize that the imperial oligarchs and profiteers heavily count on dividing the opposition?
I am a patriot. Our constitution is the model for the entire world, it is only when oligarchs overthrow it that we get this bullsh*t.
"Our constitution is the model for the entire world..."
Not sure if you are familiar with the rogue US regime, but their "constitution" is part of the problem, and hardly a model for the entire world.
I don't use the term at all, not even "loyal opposition"--I'm the reluctant American.
Agreed that the American hegemon is both a corrupt regime and a hypocritical system.
And where VinLP agitates for realism, or realistic-ism, well: Israel will not be reduced to rubble anytime before the US will be.
And here's my model of a US "patriot": Malcolm X. Man opened more minds to the reality of the US as BOTH a domestic and international murderer than anyone else. THAT is what VinLP agitates for as "realism", not the absurdity suggested by g4rg4ntN.
Patriotism is tribalism, and tribalism is the lowest common denominator of humanity. War is one of the products of tribalism. Tribalism is nothing to celebrate.
Apart from that, I agree with all you wrote. I hope this latest war will be the one that comes back to bite both the US and Israel.
Agreed - patriotism is chaos - like when everyone started waving flags after 911.
You're getting hung up on traditional definitions. Howard Zinn would call the urban riots of 1967 patriotic. so would I.
Never been a better time to act locally, and connect with others and stop mass tech surveillance in our country aka Flock cameras, as they'll use it on us.
Agree.
I hate Israhell and the Epstein virus they spawn against world. They are sll sadistic thieves and racists. Good ones could take passport and suitcase at any age snd left their apartheid insanity and brutality. Long live Iran and liberated Palestine. Praise to Houthis. Stand stron Lebanon and Cuba, Venezuela!!!
Never been a better time to take back our country locally - and protest the Flock camera surveillance system that will be used against us. https://romanshapoval.substack.com/p/flock
Unfortunately Israel will use its nukes first.
Or the US. Neither will hesitate.
This idea was already raised this week, i.e. that the US might use “tactical” nukes when they realise that they are running out of missiles & Iran is not surrendering.
"they can take it all " -https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nfx0rxf8ghs
I am afraid, Iran doesnt stand a chance against these two. they are attacking it on its soil. Israel has the Irone dome and US defenses. This is going to end badly for Iran I am afraid.
I hate to deflate your balloon Ginnie.
How did Iran do last time it was attacked by Israel? The Iron Dome did not work so well then did it?
I really think you need to get out of reading propaganda and wake up.
it's not propaganda you dink, it is reality. I have eyes. Israel just striked a girl's school in Iran and killed over 50 children. That is not bad enough for you? That's winning? The last time Iran barely touched any civilians. They are starving from sanctions and they just dont have the military capacity of the US and israel combined. Stop being in denial. This is going to end up badly for Iran - Israel and the US may see some property damage and at most a few soldiers killed. That's it.
Do you expect that civilians and kids are not killed in wars? Iran will win.
I certainly HOPE SO - if you see the big picture the BRICS countries need to do something - otherwise (as Mr Carney said - who unfortunately is a lying politician too - you are either at the table or on the menu!) it is over and the disgusting HEGEMON has won (woe to all of us - the dozens of new 'alligator alcatrazes' are waiting for us!!)
ya Iranian ones will be killed. What US civilians do you think will be harmed? You guys have avery warped sense of what constitutes winning in a war. I guess Palestine is winning too eh? good god...just accept the reality that the empire is winning. It sucks but it's true.
You are underestimating Iran badly, yes it's sad when children and grown ups get killed but that is the reality of war. A war that Iran did not start but who have not been sitting idle, they've been adding to their missile supplies, working out defensive plans. This is not going to be like Iraq and the USA couldn't win that one either, Iraq was an easier job in comparison.
End badly for Iran? Surely. End badly for the rest of us? Equally surely.
how exactly? You think you gonna get bombed sitting on your cushy chair at home in the West far from the missiles? At most the US will see some property damage. At worst, the national deficit grows. That's it. The only victim here is Iran, period.
If a nuclear war starts as a result, the Earth will be free of human beings… including you.
Actually, I'm an optimist! I think nuclear war will destroy human civilization, but I think humans themselves might survive in small groups reduced to a pre-historic level of subsistence.
In a full scale nuclear war between major participants, I’m not sure life itself will survive…
lol. and who will drop a nuke? Iran??? or do you think russia will risk a nuclear war over iran?
Bombed by Iran? Nope.
Oppressed by an emboldened fascist regime (i.e the US government)? Yes absolutely.
Impoverished by high oil/gas prices, rampant inflation, excessive military spending? Yes, absolutely.
Killed in a nuclear war, either directly or indirectly? Hopefully not, but the odds just went up significantly.
being inconvenienced and a higher cost of living is not the same as being turned into a failed state and rubble. The only victim here is Iran, period. I wont wanna hear about y'all westerners pretending that paying high gas prices and inflation was some kind of a price you are paying on the same level as Iranians being slaughtered. JFC.
And no country will drop nukes on anyone on behalf of Iran. Dont be naive.
I think your declarative statement on nuke dropping is what is naive here. If the Chinese, or the Russians, for that matter, see their access to Iranian oil potentially expiring, and view that as existential threat, and the U.S./Israelis have deployed tactical nukes in an attempt to bring Iran into the Western orbit, the choice to drop nukes will most certainly be on the table, and probably a coin flip from being implemented.
How exactly? Iran is going to shut down the Straits of Hormuz and choke off the oil supply.
Then you need to start praying for Iran .
Fuck Fuck the USA/Israel Epstein Class and others. Wage Peace and Justice and make Palestine Palestine Again. I support Irans right to defend itself. Have to go, people with masks at windows and banging on doors. Blowback is not a Zionist Beach Resort. Wage Peace and Justice.
Just had to pick up on "Epstein Class." That's the designation for the US Navy's new warship now being designed, right...?
Iran is keeping its promise... True Promise IV is underway! Go, Tehran!
The real head of the snake is USrael. Crush it with all your might!
Let's pray for the end of the Zionist entity called Israel, whatever out faith is.
Allah akhbar!
Fuck everyone in the "alternative" media that promulgated the lie that this pedophile child murdering president was going to end the wars that are the lifeblood of the rogue US regime, and be a peace president in stark contrast to every other president in the history of the rogue US regime. These clowns are as much responsible as any pro-rogue US regime propagandist.
The organized crime outfit masquerading as a country known as the rogue US regime can and will never embrace peace as long as there are profits to be made through imperialism, and the imposition of monopoly capitalism through chaos and violence.
It's one thing to be fooled. It's another thing to keep doubling down.
Someone like George Galloway comes to mind as someone complicit in this outrage - someone that that you might have thought should know better, but instead doubled down by regularly platforming hateful figures like Scott Ritter, and other conservative middle aged white supremacist Western chauvinist imperialist clowns from the rogue US regime, and the wider West.
Please show us where either Galloway or Scott Ritter support this war. WTF are you babbling about, fool? Ritter especially has been tireless in opposing every US war for 30 years, typically the Israeli genocide of Palestine and the US proxy war in Ukraine and Russia. He's also not a "conservative white chauvinist supremacist imperialist". Do you have a habit of mischaracterizing anyone you disagree with by first failing to understand anything about them?
Your comprehension skills are lacking. At no point did I say that GG or SR supported "this war" - whichever war of the rogue US regime you were referring to I am not sure, but irrespective.
My point - if you had cared to read my comment - was that GG and others (including SR who GG regularly platforms) pushed the idea that the orange child rapist was indeed going to bring about peace with respect to the Ukraine conflict. This was a patent falsehood as anyone that had been awake and paying attention during the first orange administration would attest.
Hopefully when you grow up your critical thinking skills will, I'm sure, extend beyond the puerile reductive "with us or agin us" mode of analysis you have demonstrated. Until then, I suggest you leave the debate to the adults.
Your arrogance is truly astounding. Trump would be very impressed with you. Also, you have great difficulty making yourself clear about what you here profess to have done. You said GG and SR were "complicit in this outrage," and I'm supposed to KNOW by that you mean having had the wrong idea about Trump resolving the Ukraine Russia war 2 or 3 years ago?
This piece by Caitlin is about the war on Iran the US and Israel just launched, not what was erroneously thought by some about Trump being a peace candidate at any time in the recent past. Yes, Ritter was wrong about that, as were many others. But I suppose only you have never judged anyone or anything wrongly, only to find out later that you were wrong. Your self-righteous arrogance is most noteworthy.
What the hell "the puerile reductive . . ." etc. is supposed to mean, I haven't the foggiest notion, and I did not say anything that equates to "with us or agin us," but when you said this earlier: "The organized crime outfit masquerading as a country known as the rogue US regime can and will never embrace peace as long as there are profits to be made through imperialism, and the imposition of monopoly capitalism through chaos and violence", I couldn't agree more. I've been writing and talking about that for close to 50 years. But apparently you enjoy making enemies even of those who fundamentally share your opinions.
Do you have other methods of shooting yourself in the foot?
As for "the adults" undertaking the debate you think you've hijacked, I've been around the block far longer than I'd suspect you have. And one thing I've learned is that asshats like you don't move the needle any closer toward peace, in any respect, neither personally nor politically.
Galloway is an extremely talented bigot.
Bingo!
They don’t even false flag us into their operations anymore. The disdain the ruling class has for humanity is fully on display.
Fuck Albanese for his declaration that Australia fully supports the U.S. military actions
Creepy, suck up, shithole country.
Australia is so fucked.
In these very dark times, I just want to thank you for your voice Caitlin. I have never disagreed with ANYTHING you have written and never related to another human being more. You somehow put all my thoughts in perfect order. So again thank you and yes, fuck everyone responsible for these horrific times. I will resume crying now. 💔
The Power of Epstein blackmail.
Not a coincidence following Clinton deposition.
This is it. Bibi on visits pulls out his trump card blackmail his boy Epstein collected and gets Trumpy to swallow. Sick Congress, Sick duopoly, sick and sadvAmericans
.....oh...I see. Hadn't thought of that. Jewish jefftheperve...(ergo, israyhell) has the goods - ALL the goods - on fuhrerLARDObrownstinkybutt...videos, pics, text...of...what? ...child rape? Torture? Porn production? Voyeurism? Torture? Sacrifice?.....MURDER? Just askin'. Just askin'. Beebeenuttuyahood had ALL the goods...that plus AIPAC $$$$$$$$$$$
I feel the same way. What do you even say when there is no attempt to even lie anymore? It's just 'we'll do what we want and you can't stop us'.
Feels really hopeless and grim, Israel and the U.S. have never been so emboldened to just kill and take what they want. The international community has zero willpower to step in, opposition parties are paid y the same war-profiteers as the ones doing the current bombing, and the media will do what it always does in times of war.
“A wolf, meeting with a Lamb astray from the fold, resolved not to lay violent hands on him, but to find some plea to justify to the Lamb the Wolf’s right to eat him. He thus addressed him: “Sirrah, last year you grossly insulted me.”
“Indeed,” bleated the Lamb in a mournful tone of voice, “I was not then born.”
Then said the Wolf, “You feed in my pasture.”
“No, good sir,” replied the Lamb, “I have not yet tasted grass.”
Again said the Wolf, “You drink of my well.”
“No,” exclaimed the Lamb, “I never yet drank water, for as yet my mother’s milk is both food and drink to me.”
Upon which the Wolf seized him and ate him up, saying, “Well! I won’t remain supperless, even though you refute every one of my imputations.”
Moral: The tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny.”
Pathocrats gotta do what Pathocrats do. How to stop them??
Iran's about to give them more than a little to chew on, which is good news if nothing else.
No words, just more sorrow 🙁 I just hope Iran unleashes hell.
Me too. Good riddance Israhell and sorry for those caught in middle. God protect Iran and those Palestinians in Israhell
"I just hope Iran unleashes hell."
More than sad, more than disturbing, that this is the state to which the bastards have brought us.
Impeachment may be more likely now...to replace 1 idiot with another. Scumbucket liars!
The 50 standing ovation crowd is going to impeach? For this?
Then again, I suppose nothing's shocking anymore. All the masks are on the floor.
What else to say or do? There is nothing but continuing destruction on every level.
I agree with every fuck you mentioned, I was horrified although it was not unexpected, always they attack when something like Ramadan is going on. I put myself through Trump's long-winded lying announcement but to ease the pain I turned the sound off and read the words on screen, though I tend to agree with you that no matter what anyone else says they know it's based on lies.
I'm waiting for Prime Minister Starmer here to bluster his way through countless excuses for letting our airbases be used to let the USA's war planes gather before heading to the Air Force base in Southern Israel last Tuesday.
They are so evil. I pray the world will unite to take them down. Otherwise they will keep going, one by one.