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Israeli government officials say from the river to the sea all the time--but they mean Jewish supremacy from the river to the sea and Palestinians just mean equality from the river to the sea. It’s the Israeli Zionist position that’s proven to be genocidal. The end of Zionism isn’t. It would be a blessing, to us Jews especially.

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Aside from the current genocide of Palestinians, the worst thing the state of Israel has done (along with evangelical Christian ministers and the US government) is to create the world-wide perception that all Jews are zionists. Nothing could be further from the truth. Jews are not de facto zionists. Judaism is not zionism. Most Jews do not live in Israel and have no interest in living there. Many Jews denounce zionism and condemn the genocide of Palestinians by the Israeli government. Also, many Israeli Jews are blatant anti-zionists who condemn apartheid and the Israeli government’s flagrant relocation of Palestinians from their homes and property in violation of international law.

To protect themselves from the world-wide violent blowback against Israel, the wisest thing Jews can do now to protect their own safety is to publicly and forcefully denounce zionism. At this point, it seems obvious that Israel’s current strategy of flagrant genocide and forced relocation of Palestinians is to intentionally fuel anti-semitism on an unprecedented scale. At this moment, nothing endangers Jews more than the current actions of the rogue state of Israel.

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Very true.

Regarding the fact that "Many Jews denounce zionism and condemn the genocide of Palestinians by the Israeli government", that is a good point. In fact, on this issue, it sometimes feels like I listen more to Jews (none of whom are Zionists) than to non-Jews!

(By the way, not all evangelical Christians are Zionists either.)

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"Most Jews do not live in Israel and have no interest in living there." - certainly true of Jews who left the USSR and its later remnants. They used it as a jumping board. Couldn't wait to find ways to bolt from there.

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JackSirius, to quote you "At this moment, nothing endangers Jews more than the current actions of the rogue state of Israel". Very true. We know it to be self evident. Going beyond that, those who oppose Israeli acts of crimes against humanity are definitely not anti-semitic. We are anti-injustice - of the carpet bombing, killing, displacement of the entire population of Gaza, bringing them untold misery; trying to starve them into submission with cutting off food, fuel and water. In fact all the war crimes being committed. Israel , very cynically is trying to equate this as anti-semitism.

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I read that a member of Satanyahu’s cabinet resigned, telling him that he’s “ruined Israel “.

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he has made it worse, for sure

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Now why would Jews live in Israel if they don’t agree with Israel’s policy? It doesn’t make much sense to me. So you’re occupying stolen land, but you disagree with the action? Honestly, all Jews that don’t agree with Israel should not live there.

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That’s absolutely correct. It’s manipulative and malicious because they know exactly they are the ones spreading antisemitism by conflating Zionism with Judaism. Having strong feelings against Zionist oppression is very natural, it’s very much normal to hate what they are doing and they use this hate to their own advantage by distorting facts. There’s nothing more despicable than committing genocide AND pretending you’re a victim while doing it. That’s the part that really gets me, I have to pace myself to not combust in rage because I don’t have a word for the notion that holocaust descendants are basically monsters, doing worse than the Nazis.

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Of course it's all in the semantics; anthropologists are great at that game; always fudging what is and what isn't human; in the field of chemistry there are a number number systems available to give each known chemical its own unique number so that there's no confusion as what chemicals one is discussing as long as each number system is clearly identified. The ISBN numbering system for print is a perfect example of an attempt toward non-obfuscation; obviously, such clarity works against the interests of liars and thieves, etcetera; that's why attorneys exist, and why people like Caitlin always talk about narrative.

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Nov 21, 2023·edited Nov 21, 2023

Yes, and there is another interesting and disturbing thing about that “river to the sea” phrase, but from the Israeli perspective. Most people who think about it at all and are familiar with the geography, assume that the river being referenced is the Jordan River. It is true that the Jordan is mentioned many times in the Bible, sometimes implied as the eastern border of Israel.

But there is an alternate, much more expansive version of the “God-given” territory of Israel. It is found in Deuteronomy 11:24 “ Every place where you set your foot will be yours: Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the Euphrates River to the Mediterranean Sea.”

That takes in huge chunks of Syria and Iraq! And other places too. I have heard that there is a faction in Israel that advocates for this version of Israel’s borders, but I don’t know how numerous or powerful they are. This position is hardly ever mentioned, certainly not by any mainstream sources. Breaking Points mentioned it briefly in a segment the other day. There was an Israeli official, a woman whose name I don’t remember, who had made some statement about it. In fact, she said something about the true land of Israel going from the Euphrates to the NILE!!

Anyway, thought this might be interesting. I may try to look into it further.

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Yes, from the Euphrates to the Mediterranean is considered Greater Israel. It’s used by Zionists to argue that the Arabs have a huge percentage of Greater Israel and all the Zionists want is a tiny sliver to themselves so why should they have to give any of it to the Palestinians. The Arab lands should take in their Palestinian brethren. Zionist mythology is a pack of lies, this among them.

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"Disturbing" is an understatement.

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lol 😂 yes. I sometimes think that it is better to understate slightly in discussions of fraught topics. It probably doesn’t help much. If people are going to get angry with disagreement , then they probably will anyway

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Exactly right.

The Likud Party INVENTED "From the River to the Sea"

https://youtu.be/P9-0ZBjoSDo?t=1018

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Thank you Caitlin. Yes, that was truly depressing in some ways. But the fact that you keep telling the truth is an encouragement.

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Nov 21, 2023·edited Nov 21, 2023

"The last six weeks have soundly discredited the idea that Israel is good at propaganda. The US empire is good at propaganda and its media are pro-Israel, but Israel itself is terrible at propaganda.

A big part of this may just be the fact that good propaganda requires a certain amount of creativity and artfulness, and the more of a stuffy right-wing authoritarian you are the less likely you are to be creative and artistic."

No, the reason Israel is not so hotso at propaganda is because it can simply rely on brute force, overt repression and censorship. It doesn't really have to try to look like the good guys, since it can always use naked terror to enforce compliance.

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The Chosen™ seem to do whatever they want at anytime without any remorse or conscience or face any form of critical comeback and moreover, in any major arena they're always the good but terribly victimised people. I'm sure there's a name for that sort of mental condition if it were to surface from the murky depths to strike a human or two.

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I have said it before. To make *any* human or group of humans into instant assholes, just add water: give them power and rights without responsibilities or obligations.

Assholes soon will grow faster than Sea Monkeys.

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It's also been known in a different context - to find out a person's true character give them power even if it comes with responsibilities. The assholes among them will find ways to offload those responsibilities on the governed.

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Funny, what you just wrote could also apply to Hamas, Al Qaeda, Islamic Jihad etc....

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"Our race is the master race! We are divine God's on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. Other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Our Destiny is to Rule over the inferior races, the masses will lick our feet and serve as Our Slaves!" - Menachem Begin, founder of the Likud

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Would you please give me an equivalent example from the [israeli-created] Hamas entity? As for "Al Qaeda" (Arabic for 'database', قاعدة البيانات, I'm told) the disparate groups in there are reacting to the on-going 9/11 'War on Terror' murder campaigns against some Islamic countries. ISIS, of course, are merely mercenaries, the U$ofA dogs of war. The Zionists have admitted as much. Consult the literature for details.

The auto-suggestion of an imaginary friend generously providing the land that other people are living on for the [secular] Zionists plaything is quite a breathtaking but currently effective delusion in matters of wars of aggression. Mental gymnastics (a.k.a. doublethink) on steroids but perhaps real megalomania lies not so well hidden within the mantle of 'The Chosen™.

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Indeed, it's like a muscle who was given a go-ahead and provided full cover.

Also, according to Caitlin right-wingers are dumb and cannot do propaganda. Left-wingers in the US (I know, I know, liberals do not equal left-wingers and all that crap) are much better at propaganda, hence smarter etc. And then she mentions the US propaganda is evil. I wonder what the conclusion here is.

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it's not crap. I'm leftist on the US political spectrum. Biden is a fascist warmonger. I don't agree that right wingers can't do propaganda well. the right wing republicans and right wing democrats (what are those votes again on wars? oh, both parties support them) are both excellent at gulling the US public.

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Take away Uncle and Israel's ability to use brute force disappears.

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Got numbers for that?

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Caitlin says Israel is bad at propaganda because they're right-wing fascists and thus lack creativity and imagination. I think it's something different. Israel has been stewing in Zionism, inculcating its children with this ideology, for generations. Likely it doesn't help that those youth who come to maturity with judgement and conscience intact, likely often decide to get the hell out of there, thus leaving the place to the racists. When everyone around you speaks as though Israel should be totally Jewish because God gave the land to Jews thousands of years ago and they're the chosen people (master race?) and the only problem is the "human animals" (untermenschen) who resist being locked into concentration camps, which is so generous of the Master Race to not kill or exile all of them, then the Gaza campaign and its West Bank counterpart (Final Solution) only make sense. I'm saying I don't think they realize that the rest of the world, including most in the Big Brother country on which they depend, sees the situation very differently--and increasingly so. The tropes that worked in the past don't suffice anymore--the fig leaf is threadbare, trying to cover more and more overt fascism. I wouldn't be surprised, if THEY are surprised, at how the world isn't buying it. But I suspect they see the whole thing as a calculated risk, meaning I think 10/7 was in part an inside job, and that they're still counting on the atrocities pushing other countries to take in the Gazans. for a lifetime of misery in refugee camps. Then they can have Israel to themselves, use Gaza for more settlements once they bulldoze away the rubble, or for infrastructure for the oil off the Gaza coast. So they NEED the outrage to "force Egypt to take the Gazans" and they're counting on the US to protect them from world outrage and the ICC, and the whole thing to die down in a year or so. So far, the PEOPLE everywhere are protesting but only a few countries have broken diplomatic ties, and not one has brought genocide charges--for which there's am open-and-shut case.

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Suggest that if you haven't, you should read Craig Murray's post on Consortium regarding the Genocide Convention. https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/19/craig-murray-activating-the-genocide-convention/

Particular focus on Articles II and III will inform you that not only is there clearly a genocide in progress, but that "Complicity in Genocide" is also a clearly called-out crime, in this instance undoubtedly applying to the Biden Administration -- in fact to every fool in the US congress with few exceptions, and perhaps also with the exception of those employees in the executive branch who, in writing, have demurred from that administration's rhetoric and actions.

Conclusion: Israel engaged in genocide, US, UK et al. complicit in genocide.

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"Conclusion: Israel engaged in genocide, US, UK et al. complicit in genocide."

Of course. In the case of the US/UK, it's far from the first instance. So what does anyone propose to do about it?

Angry words won't make them stop. Force will.

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And that force is unlikely to originate from inside since these “democracies” are full blown police states. That means major war only.

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You truely are a Russian bot it seems 😂

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I love your style of truth telling.

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It may surprise a lot of people that Elon is participating in censoring when he touted that he essentially was going to be the savior of free speech via twitter. So this sudden move may surprise some.

However, if you've been following Elon for a while, you'll see that Elon is nothing but a modern day mistro pulling on the hearts and minds of people for quite sometime. Elon only serves the "elite" so everything that comes from his mouth -- especially anything regarding Space -- should be met w/ critical thinking:

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-great-spacex-deception

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Franklin. Appreciate your opinion. Space is real now for a variety of reasons now including telecommunications, logistics and defense. Gazing into the Quantum not too distant future what we now deem as possible will likely change dramatically. Elon is a can do dreamer. Few if any of us will be around to see what part, if any, of his vision becomes reality.

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David, thanks for the engagement! So I thought space was real and then I looked into it. Space is like the phenomenon of Dinosaurs which I discuss here (https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/did-dinosaurs-exist) and when we realize these concepts are only theories, we can take a deeper look as to 1) WHY create such a theory and then 2) WHY push such a theory?

I talk about both questions in my article here on the religious tenets of "Scientism"

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-religious-tenants-of-scientism

But when it comes to telecommunications, logistics and defense, we can do all that without space. For example, 99% of telecommunications is from landlines on the ocean floor, not satellites. Examples like these more and more begin to dispel the notion of such ideas.

I talk about these topics in my book as well, but the idea is that we're given these ideas as a population for "goals" to chase. We've been chasing these goals for a while now (space since the early 1900s). I'm arguing these goals were never meant to be completed, but to act as the proverbial carrot stick.

https://www.amazon.com/Unorthodox-Truth-Theoretical-Discussion-Reality/dp/B0CL3J51JZ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1ZB0UKUCQ6PU9&keywords=an+unorthodox+truth&qid=1698936173&sprefix=%2Caps%2C132&sr=8-1

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wait, space isnt real? science is based on theories.

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I wondered what his alternative to space was, but couldn't wade through all that crap.

My fave remains the idea that nuclear weapons are a hoax.

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I can't stop laughing. It surpasses flat earth, fake moon landing, the civil war was a hoax, and we live under a dome. A really big one (dome).

I'm going to start spreading that one around just for fun.

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Such an important point. It's unbelievable to me that people can ignore actual genocide but get worked up about this phrase.

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Yes, it's part of the whole strategy to make the discussion about arresting people for carrying placards of pictures of coconuts, the behaviour of protestors, whether or not the sensibilities of some people should override the right to protest and the possible hidden genocidal meanings of words like freedom and self-determination rather than talking about a genocide in front of our eyes.

The rot runs so deep in our society. The CIA, Mossad, MI5/6, US neocons and industry decide not only what Western governments do, but also what people like Musk do.

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The claim that Israel is not an apartheid state is not a position anyone needs to take seriously. It’s crazy how Israel apologists have convinced the public that this is still a question up for debate......... This reminds me of the "Magic bullet theory" as the linchpin of the Warren commission report. These absurd fantasies are BELIEVED by over half of all populations in all countries. That's why propagandists use them over and over and over again. It works on enough people to facilitate the agenda.

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20% of Israelis are muslims, some are elected officials, in the Israeli medias, heck even in the army. There is nothing in the constitution of Israel (unlike the apartheid era South Africa) to discriminate against them and separate them from the rest of the population. So in what ways exactly is Israel an “apartheid state”?

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Speaking of circular logic, Zionists are anti-Semites by design.

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The risk, Caitlin, is that my praise may give you what my mother used to call a "big head," but I have come to believe that praise or even recognition is not why you do what you do. I must say that you sometimes remind me of Socrates in your facile dismantling of apologists for the Empire and, lately, the state of Israel. Your Newsletter is a wonderful and necessary part of the political discourse of the day. Thanks for all your work. I know it comes from a deep and compassionate humanity and a keen intelligence.

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She lost her entire family in an airstrike, but no one has told her yet

Ayah Sha'ban was among 14 of her martyred family members in Gaza City. She was presumed dead and wrapped in a white shroud, but a security guard at Al-Shifa' noticed her breathing and saved her. She still doesn't know about her family's fate.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/she-lost-her-entire-family-in-an-airstrike-but-no-one-has-told-her-yet/

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😢

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Nov 21, 2023·edited Nov 22, 2023

«Decolonization” is just standard left-wing discourse….»

No, no, no. It’s a standard DICTIONARY terminology:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decolonize

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/decolonization#

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/decolonization

And it revers to the act of ceasing the subjugation of a colonized people. That’s nothing to do with the lett wing. Its a factual term.

Furtermore, the term actually refers to cessation of a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. Because that what colonization is: a crime against humanity.

So Twitter - as instructed by the western colonial overlords - is now stooped down to banning people’s calls for governments to stop a crime against humanity. THAT is where we are right now.

And all of this is from the same western colonial overlords that continually refer to China as an authoritarian dicatorship….while they ban calls to stop crimes against humanity committed by their western vassals, using money and weapons supplied by them in the west. All of this from the same western overlords that battered people over their heads with the term “unprovoked invasion” to underline what they said was an act of colonial overthrow and a crime against humanity. But only if it is claimed that other people did it - not them though.

When they want to ban a simple term found in the dictionary - one of the most basic terms in the language - it’s because that word tells a TRUTH that they simply cannot distort and cannot bear. COLONIALISM is what the west are doing - it was what they did in Israel - and it is what they are defending in Israel.

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decolonization is a word used by many groups around the world in the struggle to free not only first nations but all peoples from the conformity & suppression of culture & expression within a created society. such words quickly become buzzwords parroted, mindless & for many meaningless...the beauty of slogans, marketing jingles & songs. elon simply made the censors happy & also told us the words not to use. colonization is a whole broad package of assimilation & thinking...offering a broad range of other words to use by free creative thinkers.

palestine has been noticed after all these years...now what? how about we help their message & those in the region be heard instead of everyone else' ideas of what should be?

these people, indigenous to that place, all related, christian, muslim, arab in that region have been saying the same thing for decades. still, they are ignored, their message, solution, drowned out.

parrot their solution & message otherwise you are simply a colonizer jumping for a pied piper. colonized people all over the world are speaking without using those words.

peace, out

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Except it always was a colony... a British one. An Ottoman one. Part of Arabic caliphate before that (whose rulers were not from this area). Crusaders kingdom. Byzantine Empire. Roman Empire. Only time this piece of land was independent was... the Hebrew kingdom. Ironic huh?

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1st off my comment was about buzzwords and parrots.

2nd,

independent of what exactly?

there is a broader story to this area than those of colonizers. the irony, is how i get a response about empires & nothing from the semite arab population perspective. which much has been written but not as in your face as the colonialist version.

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The only place I ever heard the "river to the sea" phrase was from the mouths of Israel officials to justify stealing Palestinian land via construction of illegal settlements.

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I just tested it, and I typed both just to make sure I get suspended, I don't use it anyway. But just wow

Calling for freedom is calling for genocide? Dumbest shit I've ever heard

Not shocking considering the source

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I guess this confirms that Opinions and Values are not determined by a moral or ethical code, but by money.

It is simply application of the Golden Rule : "He who has the gold, makes the rules"!

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