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George Cornell's avatar

Projection on a grand scale! What the US accuses others of planning or doing exposes their own depraved mindset.

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ErisX's avatar

It probably originated in the R camp of the duopoly as that is their stock in trade - accuse others of what you're doing to set the stage.

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Keith M's avatar

9/11 sparked implementation of pre-existing plans to curtail civil liberties, increase domestic surveillance, and project military power abroad. We may never know the whole truth, but I suspect that even if the intelligence community didn't directly plan the events of that day, they had pre-knowledge and willingly allowed it to happen.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

1/6 insurrection was allowed to happen, the police stood by and did nothing.

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Keith M's avatar

. . .and like 20 years ago, it was followed by a flood of fearmongering about domestic terrorists.

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George Cornell's avatar

WaPo has 1-3 articles about it daily despite there having been not a single direct killing. It’s gross partisanship with claims all demonstrators were Republican. No anarchists of course.

Contrast the daily 1/6 fearmongering propaganda with pretending that US longevity has not dipped well into Third World levels.

So read carefully now my friends

With the most conservative data, giving benefit of all doubt, Americans now live at least 6-7 years less than Australians and Canadians. So for 330 million Americans that means ~2 billion life-years are lost by being American. That equates to 20,000,000 lifetimes if we say Americans live to 100. Plenty more if they don’t make it.

So when Cuba passed the US for longevity, not an F’ing word in the MSM and when finally WaPo explained how the 300,000 covid deaths in 2020 dropped US longevity to 77 (down by 1.7 yrs) they fraudulently omitted the 500,000 deaths in 2021. That’s how you get to 75.

So no one killed in 1/6. 20,0000,000 lifetimes or deaths Amerkuns enjoy just by being American and not Oz/Can. Not a f’ing word!

So wtf is going on? Well it’s simple. Domestic terrorism, even rag tag demonstrations like 1/6 scares the 1% shxtless, like it should have scared the French aristocracy. In 1788. They don’t give a flying about the lives of the public, and not enough politicians do either.

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JackSirius's avatar

In all the hyperbole about 1/6—it was worse than 9/11 or Pearl Harbor, for example—isn’t it funny no one (to my knowledge) ever mentions the 1954 “Attack on the Capitol” by four Puerto Rican nationalists who entered the Capitol with guns and shot five congressmen?

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Feral Finster's avatar

Because that would not be convenient for current political purposes.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Horrible the 630 network news has a feature on it every day

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John Corey's avatar

When, oh when, is the gov. going to explain the military grade thermite found in the soil around the World Trade buildings?

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Diamond Boy's avatar

What is thermite

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John Corey's avatar

Thermite is a mixture of aluminum and iron oxide used to make explosives

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Check out Wesley Yang substack

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Thank you . So your point is that the presence of thermite is not explaining by aircraft hitting the buildings, yes? What are saying?

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John Corey's avatar

Yes, the presence of thermite at all three (3) buildings that collapsed, bldgs. 1, 2, and 7, which was not hit by an aircraft, is evidence that these bldgs. collapsed by controlled demolition. There are eyewitness accounts that explosions were heard and felt before the planes hi buildi gs 1 and 2.

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

"Without going into too much detail" = "jack dick nothingballs" That was all I needed to read.

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Riff McClavin's avatar

Jen Psaki is the perfect face for our government, and for the countless empty shells who eagerly fulfill its murderous agendas. These times are in desperate need of heroes, both large and small.

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Riff McClavin's avatar

True. So many who constitute the blob are interchangable.

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Gilbert Gélinas's avatar

The problem here is they'll say the we, the good guys don't do false flags, only the bad guys like Russia, China, Iran and North Korea

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Feral Finster's avatar

They'll give it some fancy name like "enhanced interrogation" instead of torture.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

A Canadian in Florida for the winter, I am hanging out with a group of anti-VAXers. They speak ceaselessly of main stream media‘s Orwellian double speak and bald faced lies, only to pause occasionally to exchange information about their various and sundry firearms. They are 1,000,000 miles from reading Caitlin but they sound remarkably similar, I suppose there is a natural scepticism in common. To them it’s obvious they’re being lied to and as such I think their anti-VAX stance is pugnacious rebellion rather than science-based.

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Gilbert Gélinas's avatar

As a Canadian in Québec all year long I can certify that the pro-VAX stance of the activists around me is dumb submission rather than science-based

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Diamond Boy's avatar

I’m from Toronto and I completely sympathize with Quebec nationalist aspirations - you are a distinct country. I also understand that the rest of Canada would be destroyed if Quebec separated.

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Gilbert Gélinas's avatar

Thank you for your sympathy. I also understand that we're a vital part of what Canada invokes to be separate from the US

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Ya , who used “distinct society “, Lucian Bouchard?? I believe it is altogether correct. I hope you don’t leave the confederation of Canada but I would completely understand if you did.

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JackSirius's avatar

The Narrative (which I believe is essentially the same in Canada as in the U.S. and most of the rest of the global capitalist world) would have us believe that anti-vaxers and gun owners are all right-wing extremists, deplorables, misinformed (and uneducated) hicks, all of whom ought to be categorized as “domestic terrorists.” So, if you lean toward that Narrative position, which your posts suggests, you may want to consider that many old-school lefties (who see the struggle as more of class than race) here in the U.S. are not only anti-vaxers but also gun owners.

Not surprisingly, the average anti-vax/gun-owning right-winger would also find this fact unbelievable. After all, the divide-and-conquor nature of The Narrative has each side conditioned to believe the left and right are polar opposites who, by definition, must never agree on anything or find any common ground.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

I am vehemently against the narrative and yes the left - right divide is a fraud perpetrated to keep us apart .

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JackSirius's avatar

Sorry for the mischaracterization. My reaction was prompted more by Matt Taibbi’s recent substack post, “Vaccine Aristocrats Strike Again,” than by your comment, which I read prior to Caitlin’s post and your comment. In Taibbi’s post, he describes how “anti-vaxers” are all being universally maligned in the legacy media as “yokels.” Taibbi’s TK News also just posted a video, “Activism, Uncensored: Black 2nd Amendment Activists Unify for Ahmaud Arbery Case,” that also demonstrates the counter-Narrative point that some blacks are advocates of the 2nd Amendment. The point is simply that there are “anti-vaxers” and gun owners in every axis of the political spectrum (including the old left) and that the two values are not necessarily inconsistent, except in The Narrative, where it is apparently inconceivable that a person could be a black gun-toting antivaxer, or that an anti-vaxer could be a lefty scientist. I mention this in case any of those people you’re hanging with in Florida are black gun-toting anti-vaxer lefty scientists…or any other individuals who simply don’t fit The Narrative.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Cool, no we are all old white guys but I get real plaudits for being a Canadian who agrees with them. They love it when I tell them stories of our obedient woke Canadian culture and praise the 2nd amendment.

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Feral Finster's avatar

So which of Caitlin's observations do you dispute and what is your basis for doing so?

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Diamond Boy's avatar

I am not disputing Caitlin, what I am saying is my anti-VAX friends don’t read her but yet come to a similar conclusion in so far as they believe they’re being endlessly lied to. What I’m saying is their anti-VAX stance is more of a symptom then a strong belief, it is more of a general rebellion against what they see as a narrative machine that manipulates and lies. Their posture is a general and all encompassing fuck you

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bot_483's avatar

Want to know what symptoms my vaxxed and boosted daughter had a month ago? No senses of smell and taste and a + covid result. She was also exposed in March of 2020 when she was home on lockdown and both her mom and I had it.

The vaxx may or may not be effective (it doesn't prevent you from transmitting it or catching it), it may be 'relatively' effective, but the fact that the pro-vaxxers are afraid of the anti-vaxxers speaks volumes of your vaxxes. I got the J&J jab for the record and am not, in general, anti-vaxx, I am, however, anti-mandate.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Well said I am also anti-Mandate but triple VAX on Pfizer

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Bruce Stephenson's avatar

Perhaps, RJF. Or perhaps they've actually investigated the facts and science of the matter and reached a rational conclusion. This previously pro-vaccine scientific skeptic has delved into the science of the matter and has concluded that these things being sold to us as COVID-19 'vaccines' are nothing of the sort. The people selling them to us are not remotely interested in "public health" - that's just the cover story used to deceive gullible people. I'm not clear what is the actual agenda with these jabs, but it has NOTHING to do with public health. Here's how we can know this for sure:

1) Numerous early treatments are effective vs this disease. These are actively suppressed via both Narrative Management and force of law. Denying early treatment to the public, WHILE THE ELITES USE IT ROUTINELY, indicates this is not about public health.

2) Every official "public health" policy is "science adjacent" but not real science. Real scientists can tell the difference but most people can not. These policies cause more harm and death than doing nothing. I.e. Lockdowns, mask mandates, vax passports, falsely denying natural immunity, falsely denying early treatment, etc.

3) All these actions were accurately predicted years ago by "conspiracy theorists". Like most, I dismissed them as whacko at the time. However, they have been proven correct, over and over again, by the passage of time. This strongly suggests that their OTHER claims, such as the WEF Great Reset plan, are also correct. Given impending eco-collapse, mass population reduction of the human plague species actually makes perfect logical sense. I personally find it repugnant, but it makes logical sense.

4) Everything about official policy ACROSS NEARLY EVERY NATION has been about injecting as many arms as possible, with no regard to health impact. For example, were the narrative managers ACTUALLY concerned about public health they would not inject healthy children who are not at risk. Piles of medical evidence show that the jabs kill about 100 children for every one they save. Clearly, their ACTUAL agenda is to inject as many people as possible, and this agenda clearly has nothing to do with public health.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Okay thanks for that, kinda new to me and I am not really knowledgeable.

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Bruce Stephenson's avatar

I didn't want to accept the perspective I just gave. I got there only after lots of research. I've read hundreds (thousands?) of scientific papers in the past 2 years. Policies of the various "health authorities" are completely unscientific, despite their loud claims to to the contrary. Another agenda that is NOT public health is clearly in play. I was unwillingly dragged to that perspective, kicking and screaming, because no other explanation made sense.

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

I'm now firmly in the "antivaxxer" camp, simply because the "vaxxer" camp is anti-scientific, illogical, abusive, based on lies, and clearly harmful. This coming from a lifelong scientist who always kept up on previous vaccinations.

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anti-republocrat's avatar

Just as we have had the anti-anti-war pseudo "left" for years supporting intervention in NE Syria in support of an alleged Bookchin regime, and anywhere else we can use R2P as an excuse such as Libya, we now have the advent of the false-false-flag operation which will undoubtedly occur in the Donbass in the coming months. This is undoubtedly preparation for a provocation designed to bring about a Russian intervention in Novorossiya, which will of course be blamed on Russia. It's quite possible Russia, China and Iran no longer care about Western "public opinion" after the OPCW scandal and Covid-19's exposure of full blown totalitarianism in the West. The only question remaining is whether Putin believes Russia is strong enough to discourage Western intervention in response to whatever level of support he gives Novorossiya. We should all pray for Putin, that he does not err in his analysis one way or the other.

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bot_483's avatar

My only concern here is that hunter biden and chris heinz are still able to make their 10% vig payments to joe biden without having to sell more art or further entangle john kerry. I would hate for anything to happen to them.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Until a few hours ago, the Ukrainians themselves downplayed the ZOMG cyberattack ZOMG, saying it probably didn't originate from Russia.

Apparently someone from the State Department gave them a talking-to, because they reversed course and are blaming Russia.

This is similar to the run-up in December, when the Ukrainians expressed non-concern over Russian troop movements in their own country, even as the Americans were calling for fainting couch.

Then Kiev suddenly reversed position.

Why, it's almost as if Kiev is desperately seeking an off-ramp to.a war that they don't want.

Gee, what's going on here?

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Yarpen's avatar

It is pretty simple. Ukrainian government was created and is literally owned by the US. Please refer to Victoria Nuland phone conversation for details how it all started: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/not-so-secret-ukraine-phone-call/

US is pumping hundreds of millions dollars into Ukraine each year. when US says jump, Ukrainian government is not even asking "how high", they simply start jumping.

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Feral Finster's avatar

That the Ukrainian regime is a puppet is not in doubt.

That the puppet is less enthusiastic for a war than the puppetmaster is what is at issue here.

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Yarpen's avatar

That is true.

I am afraid US is prepared to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Ukrainians know it as well, they also know what consequences of such policies would be.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Any Ukrainian with half as much sense as God gave my youngest kitten would surrender at the first opportunity.

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Yarpen's avatar

I don't know about that. There is a strong anti - Russian sentiment in Western Ukraine,and there are some fanatics there - google Azov Battalion - basically neo nazis in uniforms with insignia of SS division Galizia - during WW II western Ukraine was fighting along Nazis against Soviets. I don't thing they will surrender easily. But many in Ukraine are more sensible, some just want to live their lives, many emigrated already. I have a family in western Poland, visited them last year and I was shocked by the number of Ukrainians there - you can hear Ukrainian language everywhere. It wasn't the case just 5 years ago.

As much as I despise Ukrainian government I pity the people caught in the middle of the conflict and used as pawns in the game of empire.

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Feral Finster's avatar

That the Galician Nazis are, well, Nazis is not in dispute.

Like their Ukrainian SS forebears, they are real heroes when it comes to terrorizing innocent civilians, women, children, old people.

But when it comes to people actually capable fighting back, at Debaltsovo, they made the French Army in 1940 look like the Spartans at Thermopylae.

Agreed that half of Ukraine seems to now be working in Poland. This also gives the lie to "Украïна понад усё!" ("Ukraine űber alles!", a favorite slogan of so-called "freedom fighters".)

The double irony is that the students who first came our to protest in 2013 thought that EU association meant that they would be allowed to emigrate.

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Yarpen's avatar

You might be right here.

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John Corey's avatar

For decades, the US government and the mass media, print and TV, have been conspiring to deceive the people. "Remember the Maine" was publusher Gannett's fase flag to start war with Spain, expand US power and promote U.S. businesses. Businesses always profit from war.The Main was blown up because of boiler malfunction, and not because of Spain.

Caitlin, you and Abby Martin, are two of my greatestest heroines.

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Antiwar7's avatar

And they can't unsay it!

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@Buppadc 🌊🇺🇸's avatar

You’re absolutely right about Alex Jones! He’s so ridiculous and totally demented! Thanks for sharing this awesome message with me and your followers!

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Zhenjiu's avatar

Snopes is a known CIA outlet. They debunk nothing.

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Buffalo_Ken's avatar

Well things are moving quickly now and time to focus on the home front I reckon. Time to fade into the background cause it seems the shit is fixing to hit the fan big time. God Bless all of those out there who love the children. The War seems to have commenced in earnest even though the bombs haven't been launched yet. Either way, it is a war and once the war starts best to lie low unless you are looking for trouble, which I ain't. Get you some chickens if you don't have any already. Eggs are good.

BK

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Jackie's avatar

Also, what about the ports in China shutting down, enjoy that shit-show! Coming soon to your neighborhood. I'm sure it's for the good, right? China so right on and all as Communists.

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