Turn it around, fool! It is Israel that is attacking and/or occupying Iran, Syria, and Lebanon right now, continuing the genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The nutcases running Israel think their borders are the Nike and Euphrates. Caitlin is absolutely right about the genesis of the conflict. Read it again.
I said she finally said something rational. It's progress.
Since you all support wars against foreign invaders I hope you are supporting the resistance against the the colonizing currently happening in the west?
The result is the same.
You do realize Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas are not the good guys right?
Without them what excuse would your so called zio-nazis have to attack anyone?
Hamas and their daddies the IRGC rape and kill their own people.
The borders were illegal and the plan for the sickraelis was always ALL OF PALESTINE, ALL OF LEBANON, ALL OF SYRIA, ALL OF JORDAN, ALL OF IRAQ AND SLABS OF SAUDI ARABIA, EGYPT AND IRAN.
And sorry mate, the shitraelis have a policy that non-Jews are subhuman and must be exterminated which is 99.9% of Palestinians and most people in the region. Doncha think if some nutjob occupied the US with that sort of sicko plan that Americans and other Christians would fight the bastards to the death?
And all the same things can be said about Islam. Islam has 50+ countries, 2 billion people, tries to invade literally every country when they have enough of their own, and kills people for just drawing their false prophet.
All that you’re saying about “Islam” can absolutely be applied to “Israel”, no? It’s not like the IOF have not been raping and killing people all these years, long before October 7 and absolutely supported by their “citizens”. And who is it that’s been illegally invading land left right and centre now and even is public enough declare their intent to invade more for “Greater Israel”? So what’s the difference? That they’re white? But I thought they’re from “Middle East”, they can’t be white then can they? Oh because they’re only defending themselves and absolutely didn’t do anything to provoke the attacks? Like years of randomly detaining civilians and killing children and raping detainees and using illegal phosphorus and destroying schools, hospitals, mosques and churches, for example? Let’s count how many countries “Christians” have and see how many are willing to give it up for poor little Israel eh? If you say you’re not worried about the Israelis, then maybe you should wake the hell up
The UN had and has no legal right to partition any country on earth. Neither did the League of Nations or Lord Balfour.
In fact the UN did not partition Palestine but made a recommendation which the Zionists and Jews rendered null and void in 1947 by ignoring the condition that the Palestinians be left to live in peace in what was proposed would remain of their country, 47%.
Ziojewraelis did not abide by the original recommendation, nor the demand they leave the Palestinians in peace so whatever one might argue in a court of law, the UN Mandate recommendation could never stand.
As to your comment about Islam, this is not about religion, this is about the right of the Palestinian people to justice and freedom in their homeland.
And, hate to break it to you, but there is no other Muslim majority State which functions remotely like Israel in its supremacist, genocidal, fascist, apartheid nature. NOT ONE.
The ones invading, murdering, raping, torturing, stealing, destroying for the past half century and more are Jews and Christians. The Muslims are benign by comparison.
PALESTINE BELONGS ONLY TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE, ALL OF IT AND BELONGS TO NO RELIGION.
I have felt this way fo a long time. I agree with you whole heartedly and feel that creating the state of Israel in 1948 was a grave error by world powers.
Israel tried to get Albert Einstein to be head of state. He refused because the Palestinian injustice would be endless trouble and he'd be a figurehead powerless to stop it. Israel wanted him for the purpose of fundraising only.
Zionist arguments all boil down to might is right.
Except when Jews are victims. Then Muh Victim Status Trumps Everything, Muh Victim Status Is More Special Tha Yours, Muh Victim Status Is Extra Special.
And you wonder why I have a problem with humans who insist that "the personal is political". Because it only applies to Me And Mine As Victims.
Colonization has never worked for anyone, especially not for indigenous people. Every colonized country involved murder and stealing. Zionism makes colonization even worse. Zionists may think they are superior beings, but as we watch what they are doing, we see that they are cruel with no morals at all. Israel is showing us that they will stop at nothing to get what they have decided is theirs. Zionism and Israel are making the entire world unsafe for everyone, especially for Jews.
"Sure you can go further back and say “Oh yeah well the Jews lived there thousands of years ago,”
Yes, you can do that, but then you can also go back even further and say, Oh yeah, well the Jews invaded Canaan and did to the Canaanites what they are doing to the Palestinians on the pretext that Canaan was the land that God promised them.
Sadly, for the Zionists, they cannot claim to be the first to occupy what is now known as Israel, and like the present occupation, the first was acquired by violence, destruction and theft of other people's property.
"Creating Israel was a mistake. A mistake that needs to be corrected."
No truer words ever printed. And so hard to do without the cooperation of those who made the mistake to begin with, but it has to be done somehow. Apartheid and genocide has to end, the sooner, the better.
You are absolutely right, Caitlin. But imho you also need to highlight the nefarious role of Britain who illegally turned over their protectorate of Palestine to the Zionist colonists. Without the British the Zionists would never have been able to establish this settler-colonial apartheid “state”.
It wasn't a tragic mistake; but a purposeful strategic ploy to solve two challenges in their world-dominance strategy: a horde of traumatized, embittered concentration camp survivors; and Arab nationalism with its possibility of federated Arabs flexing their petrochemical muscle. Why not "set a cat among the pidgeons"?
Well the other core factor in why screams of, BUT YOU WANT THE DEATHS OF JEWS, does not work is:
Most Jews on planet earth do not live in the bit of Palestine temporarily called Israel, NEVER DID AND NEVER WILL.
The eradication of the military, colonial, apartheid, occupying state called Israel has no physical impact on most Jews on the planet. Sure, hard at the dream/fantasy, delusion/religious level but not in any other way.
And many of those who call themselves Israelis are dual passport holders. They have another home. A lot of them only have holiday homes in what they call Israel so they are hardly in a bind when Israel is eradicated. Well, not physically even if they are emotionally distraught.
And tough shit for followers of a religion stupid enough to think they can invade, occupy and colonise someone else's country in the name of their religion, their supremacist religion, which disenfranchises and seeks to exterminate all non-followers, which happens to be 99.9% of the people in the country they have stolen. Talk about a stupid plan in the first place.
The Portugese Christians went back to where they came from, most of them, after 500 years or 20 generations in Angola so European Jews going back to where they came from after 78 years or three generations is, well, piddling by comparison.
I agree, and I really like the line about your ancestry, and your showing up in Scotland or Ireland demanding someone's home--that's a great comparison!
Well said, although those who want to develop Gaza won’t want that to happen. It’s obvious through their genocide, they care for the lives of no one else but their own. How would anyone deal with barbarians such as these?
Israelis have committed too many War Crimes, and too many Crimes Against Humanity over the past few years (after decades of patiently and permissively being told to stop committing such crimes, without genuine sanction) to be ever trusted again by most humans. Israel has bombed, shot, starved, raped, and tortured its last get-out-of-G3n0c1d3-free card with Jill & Joe Public. The ongoing Nakba, just like the Shoah that spawned it, will never be forgotten or forgiven. The Zioni g3n0c1d3 state of Israel is now primarily remembered as the Nation State that was gifted extraordinary kindness by Palestine and others because of it's parent State's (Nazi) Shoah, and responded in full knowledge, and in malice aforethought, with the perpetual Nakba of those kind, indigenous hosts. Boycott, Divest, Sanction today.
why on earth are the Israelis never happy with the borders they got, all for FREE!
Because the borders were indefensible and Islam will never leave them alone.
Turn it around, fool! It is Israel that is attacking and/or occupying Iran, Syria, and Lebanon right now, continuing the genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The nutcases running Israel think their borders are the Nike and Euphrates. Caitlin is absolutely right about the genesis of the conflict. Read it again.
I said she finally said something rational. It's progress.
Since you all support wars against foreign invaders I hope you are supporting the resistance against the the colonizing currently happening in the west?
The result is the same.
You do realize Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas are not the good guys right?
Without them what excuse would your so called zio-nazis have to attack anyone?
Hamas and their daddies the IRGC rape and kill their own people.
The borders were illegal and the plan for the sickraelis was always ALL OF PALESTINE, ALL OF LEBANON, ALL OF SYRIA, ALL OF JORDAN, ALL OF IRAQ AND SLABS OF SAUDI ARABIA, EGYPT AND IRAN.
And sorry mate, the shitraelis have a policy that non-Jews are subhuman and must be exterminated which is 99.9% of Palestinians and most people in the region. Doncha think if some nutjob occupied the US with that sort of sicko plan that Americans and other Christians would fight the bastards to the death?
Illegal according to who?
And all the same things can be said about Islam. Islam has 50+ countries, 2 billion people, tries to invade literally every country when they have enough of their own, and kills people for just drawing their false prophet.
I'm not worried about the Jews. Maybe one day.
All that you’re saying about “Islam” can absolutely be applied to “Israel”, no? It’s not like the IOF have not been raping and killing people all these years, long before October 7 and absolutely supported by their “citizens”. And who is it that’s been illegally invading land left right and centre now and even is public enough declare their intent to invade more for “Greater Israel”? So what’s the difference? That they’re white? But I thought they’re from “Middle East”, they can’t be white then can they? Oh because they’re only defending themselves and absolutely didn’t do anything to provoke the attacks? Like years of randomly detaining civilians and killing children and raping detainees and using illegal phosphorus and destroying schools, hospitals, mosques and churches, for example? Let’s count how many countries “Christians” have and see how many are willing to give it up for poor little Israel eh? If you say you’re not worried about the Israelis, then maybe you should wake the hell up
Yes of course Jews and Muslims are very similar. I hope more people realize there are no good guys here.
Mohammad the false prophet tried to be like Jews so he would be accepted.
He was not so he beheaded Jews and raped and pillaged his way to a caliphate. True story.
Jews have had enormous power over the west for 100 years. Maybe one day they will turn on everyone? I don't know.
But we all know what Islam is up to.
Illegal by any understanding of the law.
The UN had and has no legal right to partition any country on earth. Neither did the League of Nations or Lord Balfour.
In fact the UN did not partition Palestine but made a recommendation which the Zionists and Jews rendered null and void in 1947 by ignoring the condition that the Palestinians be left to live in peace in what was proposed would remain of their country, 47%.
Ziojewraelis did not abide by the original recommendation, nor the demand they leave the Palestinians in peace so whatever one might argue in a court of law, the UN Mandate recommendation could never stand.
As to your comment about Islam, this is not about religion, this is about the right of the Palestinian people to justice and freedom in their homeland.
And, hate to break it to you, but there is no other Muslim majority State which functions remotely like Israel in its supremacist, genocidal, fascist, apartheid nature. NOT ONE.
The ones invading, murdering, raping, torturing, stealing, destroying for the past half century and more are Jews and Christians. The Muslims are benign by comparison.
PALESTINE BELONGS ONLY TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE, ALL OF IT AND BELONGS TO NO RELIGION.
I have felt this way fo a long time. I agree with you whole heartedly and feel that creating the state of Israel in 1948 was a grave error by world powers.
Israel tried to get Albert Einstein to be head of state. He refused because the Palestinian injustice would be endless trouble and he'd be a figurehead powerless to stop it. Israel wanted him for the purpose of fundraising only.
Just maybe if having your desired home necessitates murder and other atrocities it might be better to consider other more ethical options
Ziojewraelis do not do ethical. No word for it in the fake hebrew they speak.
Zionist arguments all boil down to might is right.
Except when Jews are victims. Then Muh Victim Status Trumps Everything, Muh Victim Status Is More Special Tha Yours, Muh Victim Status Is Extra Special.
And you wonder why I have a problem with humans who insist that "the personal is political". Because it only applies to Me And Mine As Victims.
Colonization has never worked for anyone, especially not for indigenous people. Every colonized country involved murder and stealing. Zionism makes colonization even worse. Zionists may think they are superior beings, but as we watch what they are doing, we see that they are cruel with no morals at all. Israel is showing us that they will stop at nothing to get what they have decided is theirs. Zionism and Israel are making the entire world unsafe for everyone, especially for Jews.
Amen! Sing it, sister!
"Sure you can go further back and say “Oh yeah well the Jews lived there thousands of years ago,”
Yes, you can do that, but then you can also go back even further and say, Oh yeah, well the Jews invaded Canaan and did to the Canaanites what they are doing to the Palestinians on the pretext that Canaan was the land that God promised them.
Sadly, for the Zionists, they cannot claim to be the first to occupy what is now known as Israel, and like the present occupation, the first was acquired by violence, destruction and theft of other people's property.
"Creating Israel was a mistake. A mistake that needs to be corrected."
No truer words ever printed. And so hard to do without the cooperation of those who made the mistake to begin with, but it has to be done somehow. Apartheid and genocide has to end, the sooner, the better.
You are absolutely right, Caitlin. But imho you also need to highlight the nefarious role of Britain who illegally turned over their protectorate of Palestine to the Zionist colonists. Without the British the Zionists would never have been able to establish this settler-colonial apartheid “state”.
It wasn't a tragic mistake; but a purposeful strategic ploy to solve two challenges in their world-dominance strategy: a horde of traumatized, embittered concentration camp survivors; and Arab nationalism with its possibility of federated Arabs flexing their petrochemical muscle. Why not "set a cat among the pidgeons"?
Well the other core factor in why screams of, BUT YOU WANT THE DEATHS OF JEWS, does not work is:
Most Jews on planet earth do not live in the bit of Palestine temporarily called Israel, NEVER DID AND NEVER WILL.
The eradication of the military, colonial, apartheid, occupying state called Israel has no physical impact on most Jews on the planet. Sure, hard at the dream/fantasy, delusion/religious level but not in any other way.
And many of those who call themselves Israelis are dual passport holders. They have another home. A lot of them only have holiday homes in what they call Israel so they are hardly in a bind when Israel is eradicated. Well, not physically even if they are emotionally distraught.
And tough shit for followers of a religion stupid enough to think they can invade, occupy and colonise someone else's country in the name of their religion, their supremacist religion, which disenfranchises and seeks to exterminate all non-followers, which happens to be 99.9% of the people in the country they have stolen. Talk about a stupid plan in the first place.
The Portugese Christians went back to where they came from, most of them, after 500 years or 20 generations in Angola so European Jews going back to where they came from after 78 years or three generations is, well, piddling by comparison.
It's mind blowing to think that the Palestinians received the first jewish occupiers as refugees, and treated them with humanity.
I agree, and I really like the line about your ancestry, and your showing up in Scotland or Ireland demanding someone's home--that's a great comparison!
Well said, although those who want to develop Gaza won’t want that to happen. It’s obvious through their genocide, they care for the lives of no one else but their own. How would anyone deal with barbarians such as these?
Israelis have committed too many War Crimes, and too many Crimes Against Humanity over the past few years (after decades of patiently and permissively being told to stop committing such crimes, without genuine sanction) to be ever trusted again by most humans. Israel has bombed, shot, starved, raped, and tortured its last get-out-of-G3n0c1d3-free card with Jill & Joe Public. The ongoing Nakba, just like the Shoah that spawned it, will never be forgotten or forgiven. The Zioni g3n0c1d3 state of Israel is now primarily remembered as the Nation State that was gifted extraordinary kindness by Palestine and others because of it's parent State's (Nazi) Shoah, and responded in full knowledge, and in malice aforethought, with the perpetual Nakba of those kind, indigenous hosts. Boycott, Divest, Sanction today.