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DMarlene's avatar

It's Israel struggling and drowning and doing all it can to remain relevant even though everyone sees them as the brutal terrorist and genocidal state that they are. Yes, Israel has a right to defend itself...at the Hague.

X K's avatar

"Yes, Israel has a right to defend itself...at the Hague."

Purely procedural. In Israel's case, it's akin to justice, Old West style - give 'em a fair trial, and hang 'em. Pure and simple.

David Baird's avatar

Bloody oath, XK. And if we hang 'em, hang 'em high!

martin's avatar

80+ ambassadors (out of 125) to the icc voted to remove karim kahn from office despite the 'me too'-allegations being judged unsubstantiated. our ruling class is the problem.

DMarlene's avatar

It's Israel and the United States doing what they do best. I think the real tipping point will be if they get the ICC to stop pursuing Netanyahu for war crimes.

Aamir Razak's avatar

well said martin, it's truly a shame that once again, the actual facts and evidence didn't matter and were ignored when the decision was made

Who D. Who's avatar

Good post, but the problem is that the Hague is just as corrupt as the rest of the West. (Just witness what they did with Milosevich.) If the Hague had any integrity, G.W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nicolas Sarkozy, and many others would already be behind bars.

Aamir Razak's avatar

well said Who, it sadly seems that even the premier place of "justice" isn't the gold standard for the dispensation of justice

martin's avatar

80+ ambassadors (out of 125) to the ICC voted to remove

Bufo74's avatar

This actually is a brilliant comment and should be the Standard response to that tired defence used to shut down dissent - the right to defence - in The Hague . Brilliant

X K's avatar
Jul 25Edited

"aggressively denormalize Israel"?

Isn't there a provision, hasn't there been a (little reported, of course) move to expel Israel from the UN (whose membership they illegitimately achieved to begin with)? Or did they make known to heads of all member nations contemplating such an action that Mossad cells already in those nations have plans to assassinate them if they go ahead?

Really, can't the world understand that indeed there is a limit to the anthropogenic horror it will tolerate, that Israel is now light years beyond the point where all these other nations simply say, "More than enough, be gone from our midst!" a rather genteel way of saying, "F*** off you wretched motherf***ing scum and stain on humanity!"

Mary's avatar

Apparently we have not yet reached that point.

Aamir Razak's avatar

well said XK, i am surprised that provision has not been activated/acted upon already

X K's avatar

As I indicated, "little reported," I recall some mention of a group of nations pursuing expulsion from the UN, I think citing a specific provision, but nothing since, and I haven't researched further. Prima facie that the Israeli/Mossad public relations apparatus would swing into action.

Indu Abeysekara's avatar

X K, There was a time when in the UN there was a motion to equate zionism with racism.

X K's avatar

Yes, very good point. Of course this country saw to it that the motion was quashed, right?

Aamir Razak's avatar

it's a shame they weren't able to pursue that further. Yes I'd imagine you'd be right and that apparatus would've blocked such a motion

X K's avatar

Most likely Mossad dropped hints that they had incriminating/doctored files on key people. For example, see this from Norman Finkelstein's site https://www.normanfinkelstein.com/hedges-on-finkelstein-and-goldstone/.

Aamir Razak's avatar

horrific but unsurprising. It seems to be their common strategy

X K's avatar

No limit to their ruthlessness in pursuit of the project.

Annissa's avatar

This also applies to so-called liberal Zionists as well— those who identify themselves as “progressives” and “leftists” and attribute all that is wrong with Israel to one man in the present day. (In the US, voices like Lander and Sanders who denounce the genocide but ultimately see Israel as having a “bad moment” are normalized and even lauded— the best crumbs we can expect…) At this stage, the world should be begging for the dismantling of the entire project.

jamenta's avatar

Was watching the Greyzone earlier today, and Sanders was mentioned but it was in regard to comparing Sanders' voting record in comparison to Lindsey Grahams when it came to Israel - and apparently their voting records are nearly identical.

Pretty damn sad fact.

grahamlyons's avatar

Shame, Bernie...but he is a Jew, after all.

jamenta's avatar

DSA Coward FLEES Briahna Joy Gray’s Questions On “Force The Vote”! https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=982442794791260

Susan T's avatar

Israel has had a bad moment. Way back in 1948.

Patricia Blair's avatar

No the Palestinians had the bad moment, the Nakba!

Susan T's avatar

The Zionists did what they have continued to do when they have a bad moment: they took it out on others.

Davina's avatar

They were taking out on others for no reason other than that the US armed them to become their proxy in West Asia, they of course, took it to the extreme using the holocaust to get the jews out front to take the blames for all the evil acts being done in their name. Not nearly enough jews are speaking out against this apartheid, murderous, torturing raping state - that has no right to exist. The ones that do speak out always have a "get out if jail free card" in play. The only one I've heard tell the whole truth is a rabbi who doesn't mince his words.

Who D. Who's avatar

Would that rabbi happen to be Michael Lesher? (He's a good one.)

David RS's avatar

A vote of the countries of the world was taken, and they decided for the residents of Palestine what political arrangement they were to live under.

A horrible case study in the limits of democracy vis a vis individual rights.

Davina's avatar

Not all the countries if the world, if it had been there would be no such horror as israel, and never would have been.

Susan T's avatar

I am not so sure about that. Look at what the world leaders are not doing right now to stop Israel.

David RS's avatar

You're referring to most of Africa and a good deal of Europe and Asia being missing from the UN when it passed Resolution 181 in 1947?

If so, come on! It was the "united nations"! The name even says so. Everyone who counts was in--and maybe even some who shouldn't have counted (although the Zionists seem to have gotten most of those brown humanoids south of the US border lined up on their side of the vote, by one means or another).

Chetzmom4's avatar

These "Progressives" are FRAUDS.

Bernie is a BUTCHER. Will he vote in the Senate to FUSE the USA & Israeli Militaries officially? Does it matter?

AOCIA is a COWARD. Her silence on the EPSTEIN child-rapers is deafening.

Israelis want total subservience from Muslims AND Christians. They are erasing whole ancient Christian villages! But try telling this to the Evangelical PEDOE Pastor-led "christian" Zionists, who are the SLOPP-gobbling, groveling Peasants for the Z10 Jewish Supremacists. They are think Trump is going to FORCE Jesus back to save ONLY the Pedoe-Protecting, Evangelical Accessories to GENOCIDE.

Call Out these "christian" Zionists as well.

Sec. War Pete Hegseth wants to juice soldiers with testosterone, and when Jesse Waters (FOX) asked about a possible INCREASE of rapes in an already rapey US Military- they both had a great belly-laugh joking about it.

The USA Military already has a problem with male soldiers raping female AND other male soldiers.

So... HAHAHAHA, Hegseth, really funny.... such dick-heads.

FLOCK Cameras may be replaced by AXON Streetlight/cameras that do the SAME thing- SURVEILLANCE by ISRAELIS on AMERICANS. Trump bought a boatload of stock in AXON- so you know the USA will be covered with them soon.

NOT ONE EPSTEIN PEDOE has been arrested in the USA.

NEVER LET THESE FNCKERS REST.

We are ALL on the Menu for the Greater Isreal Project.

Mizz Izzy EPSTEIN has Nukes and everyone knows it.

Trump & the USA is running out of bombs... except for the BIG 🍄 cloud ones.

Time to go old school.

Time to Bully the Bullies.

A Thousand Cuts.

If not Now... WHEN?

🚫ALL DATA CENTERS ✌️

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Cancel Israel and it's supporters.

Chetzmom4's avatar

It's strange how the more the Z10s spend on ProGenocide - I mean, "Israel is Our Greatest BFF" propaganda... the more the Peasants spit out the SLOPP! It's weird!

Kinda like it is actually opening more eyes & making people hate them MORE.

The Bullies should keep wasting $$ on convincing the Bullied that they LIKE being used, abused & deleted.

Yeah, that should work.

Peace.

dale ruff's avatar

How stupid are you? "The public record shows that Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) has publicly addressed the Jeffrey Epstein case, specifically calling for accountability and a thorough investigation into his actions and the circumstances surrounding his death.Public Statements and ActionsDemand for Answers: Following Epstein's death in federal custody in August 2019, Ocasio-Cortez publicly stated on social media that "We need answers. Lots of them."Focus on Victims: She emphasized the necessity of unearthing his full network to ensure justice for the victims and survivors, arguing that his death must not impede the exposure of other perpetrators.Supervision Inquiries: She questioned officials regarding the systemic failures within the Bureau of Prisons that allowed Epstein to die while on suicide watch." And AIPAC has a check for you for attacking Sanders, their main enemy spearheading the move to ban arms to Israel.

dale ruff's avatar

Smearing the man spearheading the effort to stop shipping arms to Israel and curb Trump's war powers is worthy of an AIPAC shill. Sanders has been strongly denouncing Israeli treatment of the Palestinians for over 38 yrs! "Bernie Sanders first notably criticized Israeli policy in March 1988 during a news conference, calling the government's response to the first Palestinian intifada "an absolute disgrace". At the time, he was serving as the mayor of Burlington, Vermont." " He views the racism, apartheid-style conditions, and military agg ression as products of an extremist right-wing political faction " which allows critics to smear him as superficial. But he is th man who will bring arming Israel to a halt, if it is to happen...so I suggest we not look for ways to join AIPAC in tearing him down but support his effort to stop what he calls genocide.

Annissa's avatar

He is not the man to do anything. It took him nearly two years of linguistic gymnastics to concede (prefaced by an October 7 “Hamas started it” clause) that the genocide in Gaza the entire world was watching live-streamed is, in fact, a genocide . His actual voting record on Israel? See jamenta’s comment. What do nearly four decades of lip service mean when he ultimately believes in upholding an exceptionalist, supremacist ethno-state (as he has stated he does)? The time for lip service is over.

Harry Ziboo's avatar

Thank you for saying this!

dale ruff's avatar

He called out war crimes and atrocities in Gaza while building a majority of Senata Dems to vote to stop it by banning arms to Israel, and as soon as the UN ruled it legal genocide, he adopted that rhetoric but his attempts to stop the genocide go back to having no support to 80% Dem support ONly a total fool would attempt to derail his campaign to disarm Israel by arguing about whether the reason to do so, which for him go back 38 yrs, is war crimes or genocide. Labels are not the issue: saving lives is. Making democratic socialism mainstream and making disarming Israel a majority Democratic priority is not lip service but results. Your attempt to damagee the campaign to ban arms to Israel hides behind the cliche of lip service. Either lend a hand or get out of the way. No one with any power has done more to stop Israel, and you are cutting him down, betraying the cause.

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

A close friend was his campaign manager winning the Mayoral race in Burlington. I have known him since the early 90's. He is a Zionist. He needs to abandon the Zionist ship that is sinking. Israel should not exist. If he does not have this opinion, feel the BERN in hell if there is one Bernard. 1 State Palestine.

dale ruff's avatar

Berni is a socialist Zionist, a movement long suppressed by the racist Zionists responsible you enable by trashing the one man most responsible for stopping it by building a coalition of the vast majority of Democrats on record opposing arming Israel. If you want to help the racist Zionists he has denounced for many decades, you do it by tearing him down. "Sanders is one of the most outspoken proponents of Palestinian statehood in the U.S. Congress, asserting that peace is impossible without fulfilling Palestinian national rights.The Two-State Solution: He favors a fully sovereign, independent Palestinian state established alongside Israel, based roughly on the pre-1967 borders." His crime, as you see it, is believing that such a solution and peace are possible. The alternative is perpetural war and genocid of the Palstinians. He believes, as we in the US think we can defeat the reactionaries, and redeem our nation, that Israel an denounce what he calls "racist , reactionary" forces and find peace with the Palestinians: that is the essence of his "liberal Zionism" as a force to defeat the racist Zionist regime in power and change the course of the relatinship of the Israelis and the Palestinians. By trashing him, you join AIPAC and the fascists in Israel who trash him.

Feral Finster's avatar

What you call a "smear" is simply pointing out demonstrable facts that make your hero look bad.

That said, Dale,.it is rich for you of all people to complain about smears when you throw put baseless accusations yourself.

dale ruff's avatar

I like how you smear me; I wear it as a badge of honor. What is your plan to stop the genocide in Israel? Smears? Anti-bomb smears? Trash the man leading the campaign to stop arming Israel? What makes Sanders essential to stopping the genocide is a demonstable fact: that he is the one that has built up a large majority of Democrats voting to stop arming Israel. Your attacks align with AIPAC attacks on a man that has led the attack on the genocide. You have no plan, no strategy.

Feral Finster's avatar

How exactly does anyone "smear" you? The worst we can be said to do is to point out your hero's flaws.

Dale, I got a question for you. One you consistently refuse to answer.

Whom would you choose between a Massie and a goodthink liberal democrat loyal to Israel?

dale ruff's avatar

Do you oppose the efforts by a "liberal Zionist" to stop arming Israel to stop the genocide? Do you join with AIPAC and the racist, reactionary, and genocidal Zionists he had condemned?

Judy Bancroft's avatar

1000% Caitlin. Reading your post while waiting to march yet again for Palestine. Today in Perth we are each holding coloured images of those children mercilessly slaughtered. Instead of chanting as we usually do, today we will be silent. I am hugging my cardboard poster as if she were my daughter. 💔🙏

gypsy33's avatar

Judy: THANK YOU 🙏 ❤️👍

Sera's avatar

I think of Israel as the “Welcome Parasite”.

The most hated country in the world is invited into the brains of the leaders of the West and sets up camp. It eats their souls from the inside and will inevitably cause their demise.

But for what? Will we ever discover how this invidious insect of a country has set up shop in so many governments? Or is it perhaps their choice to host this nest of evil? Again, for what?

Vin LoPresti's avatar

Good analogy are the various biological parasites like part of the malaria life cycle, which take up residence inside cells, hiding there but stealing resources stealthily— until over time, the health of the entire animal/human is damaged irreversibly.

dale ruff's avatar

"A coalition of 28 nations, including Western allies like the UK, Australia, Canada, France, and Japan, formally condemned the "inhumane killing of civilians" and restrictions on humanitarian aid.West Bank Policies: Over 80 nations, including various European partners, jointly denounced Israeli expansions and settlement reclassifications in the West Bank as violations of international law.Sanctions and Restrictions: Several Western governments have individually implemented travel bans or asset freezes targeting extremist Israeli figures or radical settlement movements, while nations like Spain and Ireland have pushed for broader suspensions of trade agreements.

Internal Dissent Official Signatories: Over 800 political and diplomatic officials from the United States and European governments signed formal internal dissent memos criticizing their own administrations' military and diplomatic support for Israel

TIMEFeb 2, 2024 — Over 800 Western Officials Denounce Their Governments' Pro-Israel Policies

.Time Magazine Joint statement of Foreign Ministers of 20 countries on recent Israeli decisions extending unlawful Israeli control over the West Bank (Non-UN Document) - Question of PalestineMar 5, 2026 — On February 23, 2026, the Foreign Ministers of 20 countries issued a joint statement condemning a series of Israeli decisions " etc the tide is turning.

Mary's avatar

At this rate, there won't be a single Palestinian left in their own land before it properly turns. It's not enough. It's just talk...nothing is DONE

dale ruff's avatar

Short of an invasion, what an be done but sanctions, ban ships as in Spain, prepare to arrest Netanyahu if he enters your nation (he won't) and shame Israel. What would you do? My only hope, for which I have been blasted on this site, is to elect progressives to take control of congress in the upcoming election and pass bills to stop arming Israel. What other action can stop them?

Paula's avatar

I like the optimism, but like so much of a complicated slow moving international herd, where are the actions? When do they follow? People present these things for the record without intent of doing much else. For every one the world over, this public display of barbaric behaviour, above the law, because law doesn't matter to them, and this doesn't only happen with Israel. The West does much the same but is more clandestine like toxic food and water and chemtrails in the air and of course fear mongering and manipulation of the narrative to inject us all with poison, disappearances of important people in science. It's not quite as brutal and bloody but is just as dangerous to the survival of the planet as a whole. There are limits and those limits are the coyote on the precipice. The earth is gathering up her skirts and is about to shit all over everyone everywhere. I'm sure she will be glad when we are all gone and life on earth can start anew in the next billions of years. I'm with Raoul, the tide isn't turning away from our human destiny. Hopefully some tiny spec of DNA or something will survive the lesson that without humanity and all of what that entails, no one survives. AI is a mistake with too much power. The training those young people who use Palestinian children for target practice, were not born inhumane, they were trained to be inhumane just like terrorists are trained in the School of the Americas.

Raoul Christensen's avatar

While they still hide behind the facade, of the “two state option," "the tide ‘isn’t’ turning!”

Harry Ziboo's avatar

So why is Israel still here and growing stronger every day?

Chetzmom4's avatar

ALL Western Leaders are controlled by the Rothschilds-Epstein Class. They are ALL either PEDOES & WORSE or they are Protecting Pedoes- they are corrupt and only a visit with Madame Guillotine will convince them to change.

🚫ALL DATA CENTERS ✌️

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

End the Epstein Class. Off with the heads.

Feral Finster's avatar

Nobody will ask what we think or like or want.

Note six democrats voted for the NDAA, just enough to ensure it passes. Bait and switch is a Team D specialty.

David RS's avatar

What can a Westerner do about Israel?

Become a one-issue voter.

For example, in my case, I can be more or less characterized as a libertarian, but I will vote for candidates whose other policies are what libertarians call "statist" if they are the only ones who support ending the Israel project.

Diana van Eyk's avatar

You nailed it, Caitlin. Israel is showing us everything that's wrong -- and getting worse -- with western values. They're on steroids in Israel and we need to reject it and reclaim our morality and dignity.

The Talking Wombat's avatar

I say let's join Caitlin and Tim by de-normalizing Israel. ✊

wilrodx's avatar

JEWISH BLATANT CONTROL OF THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE-

https://israelpalestinenews.org/the-president-of-the-world-jewish-congress-just-sent-a-warning-to-every-potential-america-first-candidate-wishing-to-run-for-u-s-congress/

https://x.com/drhossamsamy65/status/2079714864696570282

Is this democracy??

“THE PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD JEWISH CONGRESS JUST SENT A WARNING TO EVERY POTENTIAL AMERICA FIRST CANDIDATE WISHING TO RUN FOR U.S. CONGRESS”

"If you do not support Israel, if you platform or say anything we deem “antisemitic”, we will “TARGET THEM” and start a fund for their opponent"

t.co/k3Il2OnikV

— Dr.Sam Youssef Ph.D.,Ph.D.,DPT. (@drhossamsamy65)

Patrick Powers's avatar

They have a right to do that. Others once had a right to advocate against it.

wilrodx's avatar

Yes...the supreme court made bribery disguised as campaign funding legal in the ''Citizen's United" decision.

Mu's avatar

It's taking too long for people to see the light.

Mu's avatar

Right. The dark evil.

Antonio Brownlowe's avatar

NO Gentile should normalize the Genocidal Israeli Zionist State

Paula's avatar

The senate has not yet passed H.R. 8800 with the nasty Sec. 219 which integrates Israel military with ours. Everyone should be calling their senator and urging them to vote no unless Sec. 219 is removed.

JennyStokes's avatar

What everyone misses: A lot of these Zionists have already moved to other countries and are already being vicious/nasty to others.

These Zionists are not NORMAL people, they have been brainwashed from birth.

Take a look at Cyprus.

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

The Zionist terrorist cells are establishing in many areas realizing the Entity State may be destroyed. Destroy every outpost. Ban Israeli Occupation Forces around the world in anyway possible. They are changing history books and hoping to establish a new State World order even if it takes many decades. Fuck the Zionists. Abort them. Have a nice day. Don't let anyone die for Zionists.

gypsy33's avatar

Jenny, I have a friend in Cyprus and you speak truth

Also happening in the Philippines and Argentina.

JennyStokes's avatar

Yep. and we have the Nazi Ukranians.!

Patricia Blair's avatar

There is no words to adequately describe my disgust at Zionist, AIPAC influence in American Government, from the President on down. There just isn’t any morals or damn few in US government, but we good human beings will persevere for peace and justice.

James Macleod's avatar

There is nothing “normal” about Israel.