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forceOfHabit's avatar

There is an aspect to this genocidal war of Israel on Gaza that I think is often overlooked. All those atrocities we have seen, all the senseless slaughter, torture, dehumanizing killing is being done by actual human beings: Israeli men and women. The damage being done to them, the Israelis, (and by extension to Israel) is nothing short of catastrophic.

Can any human being be a willing, (or unwilling) participant in, or witness to, such evil and not suffer grievous moral injury? Maybe a small percentage of psychopaths?

And then imagine Israel "wins" its war on Gaza, exterminates or relocates the entire population, then what? Those psychopaths, those wounded souls of young Israeli men and women, they go back into Israeli society. And those wounds and that trauma wont be limited to the actual soldiers, but will inevitably seep into the lives and psyches of their loved ones, their wives and husbands and sons and daughters and parents.

Can you imagine your son or daughter coming back home after being part of this Israeli genocide? Can you imagine dealing with your husband or wife's nightmares and PTSD? How will an Israeli ex-soldier raise their children, what will they teach them about the world they have been born into?

Can you imagine what sort of society this Israel will have made of itself? I shudder to think.

Grieve for the wretched Palestinians, but ask not for whom the bell tolls: it tolls for all of us.

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Dr.Who's avatar

There are videos of Americans returning after “serving” in Gaza...they look all too happy being greeted by their wives and children. Who knows how many children they murdered. A sickening sight, frankly.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

They should be deported.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Yes, they should. Especially after they attacked supporters of Palestine on the campus of Columbia University in New York.

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Dr.Who's avatar

To where? They’re American. They should be tried for treason.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Let them go to their BORG in Israel which is their first love, and they use us to fund it.

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gypsy33's avatar

Please, Mr. Raven…no more Amerikkkans in IsraHell. Just shoot ‘em.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Then we nuke it from space to be sure. 1/2 :-)

Actually no need, Iran is probably going to nuke them soon anyway, everyone is sick of their shit, literally billions of people hate them, like all 1.5 billion Muslims, all the global south, and all the western hard left and hard right, that is literally billions of people. A tiny shitty leering, cringing, nasty population of what less than 20 million people commiting a literal genocide cannot stand against the whole world.

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gypsy33's avatar

To Mars.

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Fran's avatar

US officials told POLITICO that the Biden administration was not planning any consequences for Israel if it went ahead with a major assault on Rafah, which would inevitably kill a huge number of civilians. “No reprimand plans are in the works, meaning Israeli forces could enter the city and harm civilians without facing American consequences,” the report reads.

When you repeatedly read incidents like this who cares about the trauma of Israelis home from their killing fields.

Six-year-old Hind Rajab and relatives 'deliberately killed' by Israel: Euro-Med

A leading human rights organisation has found on Monday that Hind Rajab, a six-year-old Palestinian girl, was deliberately killed by Israeli forces in Gaza City’s Tal al-Hawa neighbourhood.

In its preliminary investigation into the atrocity, Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor found that Hind and her relatives were killed in a “planned execution carried out by the Israeli army … in broad daylight.”

https://www.newarab.com/news/hind-rajab-aged-6-deliberately-killed-israel-report

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ChazLB's avatar

According to the west zionist israel Jews are privladged to serial murderer at will as a right to defence because the excuse and the west believes palistinans are not human therfore have no right to defence or existsnce. Ethnic cleansing ...

I do not know what to call Israel and the west ,, serial murderers? psychopaths ? Fascists , despots? Monsters? Or all the above ?

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gypsy33's avatar

Subhuman pieces of filth, Chaz?

Now, I don’t value a horse’s life over a human being’s, people.

(IsraHellis don’t count as human beings). But I watched a video of Zio soldiers firing a tank at horses! HORSES! Anyone who knows anything about me here knows how much horses mean to me. And these psychos can’t even allow horses to live!

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ChazLB's avatar

I love horses my sister had two,

My dad had moved to Arazona and baught a bar, and wore a big cowboy hat, and had been given a big 45 revolver from the Indian tribe he helped bring water to during a draught .

He was a big generous man who everyone loved ..could be hard as nails but fair. He would have shot them.

Anyone that harms animals like that is worse than inhuman, they are the devil incarnate and I'm not even religious.

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gypsy33's avatar

Agree, Chaz. I should have known you were fond of horses 🙂

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

ALL OF THE ABOVE Chaz! (and more, but words currently escape me)

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Fran's avatar

I always thought the relative silence around our Middle Eastern wars which had no validity at all were given an easy pass by Americans because we were attacking Muslim countries. Had the people of those countries been Christians or Jewish they never would have happened. I was part of the anti-war movement, always been anti-war since I was a kid, but most Americans give little thought to our wars.

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ChazLB's avatar

Neocons driven by Zionist constructed and manifested the islamaphobia to steal the land and commit this genocide today ..

Neoliberals just saw a profit margins over it

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Fran's avatar

I'm really afraid how far they will go in regard to this war, and wonder whether they will implement a full blown genocidal attack, or set up those tent cities along the sea which is absurd. Maybe they think most will find refuge in other countries. They didn't have a great life in Gaza, but they had far more then they have now. I don't think anyone should forgive or forget Israel's sins in this regard, nor ours. I know I won't, and I think world wide people will have a long term memory of the degree of brutality and carnage Israel inflicted on a people. . She reminds me of a abusive parent, and in a sense that's what she was considering the degree of control she exerted on Palestinian lives. Then this parent ends her abusive relationship with murder. She is no better then that.

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José Oliveira's avatar

Just imagine what they would say if the russians or the chinese had done just a little part of it

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gypsy33's avatar

Agree 100% Fran… who gives a fuck about them? I hope they all end up committing suicide. Or preferably, that Iran steps up to the plate and blows IsraHell off the map.

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France's avatar

We're all going to get blown off the map thanks to the active or passive psychopaths on this planet, far more than we realize.

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gypsy33's avatar

And the planet will be better off for it.

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Fran's avatar

Right now I don't give a damn, and question really had bad timing with a possible genocide around the corner.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

"Nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure."

That's a joke and quote son, for all the boring humorless woke turds out there.

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Marianna Chambless's avatar

Why would they deliberately attack a car filled with civilians? They are crazed. Were they like this before the war, or is this what war does to you - turns you into insane, brutal, blood-thirsty people totally devoid of compassion and mercy?

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Fran's avatar

I guess they are taught, or just feel any moving target is a danger, and although there are children in the car a potential threat may be passing by. They have been raised to see all Palestinians in a negative light, and if they were wrong, so be it, they're just Palestinians. I've heard several Jewish people in America making very prejudicial statements in regard to Muslim children. I was on the phone with a Jewish "friend" and got a glimpse on the net of dead Syrian children after a false flag attack and I mentioned it and said, "God that's so horrible." She said, "Who cares they're Muslims." I hung up on her, not that uncommon, since her capacity for insensitivity was boundless.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Their accusations of "anti-Semitism" are deep cover for their ethnic hatred of all people who are not part of their culture/tribe.

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gypsy33's avatar

Fran, it pains me to see you making excuses for them.

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Fran's avatar

I'm not making excuses at all. I thought what they did was despicable, her family was killed, dead, before she died. She called for help. An ambulance came and they killed the drivers, blew them up. No excuses, just trying to understand why they are capable of carrying out these atrocities. I feel it's based on their very prejudicial feelings, since Palestinians are seen as less then, perhaps like Gallant said they are perceived as animals, and in the West Bank they are treated in this demeaning prejudicial way as well. Settlers can steal their land, even kill them and not be held accountable. This has been true since the beginning in 1948. They are taken prisoners for no reason, kept in jail for years on end, tortured, and as someone said, their life is cheap, meaningless. Trust me, no excuses. I would never want to be raised and harbor such ugly perceptions of others.

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José Oliveira's avatar

I think it's much worse than that. They blew the vehicle on the first round and afterwards they just shot down the survivors trying to flee away. Words cannot express all my horror.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Demonic, the Synagogue of Satan.

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ChazLB's avatar

Like this before but had to do it in as much as secret they could to cover up

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Mr. Raven's avatar

That's what being a Jew does for you, I fixed your sentence, you're welcome!

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EileenMc's avatar

Substitute Zionist and sentence is accurate and able to mingle in community. Example: we have a entire Congress full of zionists but few are Jewish. Just a handful are not zionists.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

The Scofield bible of the Christian Zionists is hersey and our Shabos Goy politicians have Jew hands up their asses working their mouths.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

And who are these Zionists exactly? Hint they aren't Amish!

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Kevin Hammond CMT's avatar

😠😡🤬

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Garrett Smith's avatar

If I was a piece of shit murdering criminal like those Americans who decided to murder gazans I would be very careful how many people I shared that with.

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Dr.Who's avatar

Well they’re posting celebratory videos about returning home from serving in the IDF. Whether they pulled the trigger or not, putting on those fatigues makes them child murderers.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Americans? It is American weapons for sure, and think the Israelis Zionists should be fully cut off, and then given a proper trial at the international criminal court for crimes against humanity. But please it is not American doing the killing, it is Jews in Israel.

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russian_bot's avatar

Fuck off!

If Israel didn't have American weapons it would have nothing to do the killing with. You're full of shit! Blocked!

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Nice reading comprehension rage triggered guy, obviously you missed the part where I said: "It is American weapons for sure, and think the Israelis Zionists should be fully cut off..." The rest of what I said is true as well, dispute facts or rage block me, either way I win!

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russian_bot's avatar

You forgot to include Americans eligible for "proper trial at the international criminal court for crimes against humanity"

And that's why you're BLOCKED! (not really)

And what's with your being constantly triggered? Don't you use trigger lock? Aintcha required? What fucking state are you in/at?

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I think this has already happened. If you can stomach some of the hideous videos this filth have put out you would see how truly sadistic these people are. They are raised into this it didn't just happen on the 7th of October. Practically the whole terrorist state of Israel is the same ZioNazis scum. If there is such a thing as evil they are it.

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Kevin Hammond CMT's avatar

Demonic

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EileenMc's avatar

Gabor Mate speaks well on this demented psychology

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Yes! I love his insights into the human psyche.

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Citizen's avatar

The Nazis apparently managed it - went back to their families and were able to separate their inhumaneness from their family life. Easy when the people you are torturing and killing aren't even human, or "worse than animals" :-(

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Mr. Raven's avatar

What if the Nazis were the heroes who were trying to rid us of the Zionists, and we backed the wrong horse?

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

That is a repulsive comment.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Is it? Who exactly is behind the neo-cons who have gotten us into wars that have killed millions of people? Who benefits from all these wars and who is disproportionality represented in the banks, the MIC, and the government as a whole? You agree Zionists are war criminals who should be deported, you are very close to being red pilled lady, you just need to do more research.

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José Oliveira's avatar

Someone once said and I full agree that their maligness is even worse than the one of the devils. Right so.

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gypsy33's avatar

Is it?

What would the world be like without the Ziopaths?

A much better place, I assure you.

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Kevin Hammond CMT's avatar

Actually they went after the non Zionist Jews first and primarily. You're forgetting that the head of their central bank was max Warburg while the head of the privately owned "federal reserve" was his brother Paul. The Zionist at the time wanted wwll to set the stage for them to take that land.

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russian_bot's avatar

Lenni Brenner's books describe Zionists' collaboration with German Nazis to encourage Jews leaving Europe for Palestine. So Nazis actually worked for Zionists, not against.

Find something else to celebrate about them.

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mothman777's avatar

No, Hitler said in Mein Kampf that Jews should never be allowed to create their own state or they would surely use it only as a safe haven for a band of international crooks and swindlers, exactly what Israel is today.

While Germany worked with Marshall Petain's Vichy France, it was intended that the French principality of the island of Madagascar be given to the European Jews as a homeland, but when Allied influence took over in France, Madagascar no longer remained a feasible option, and the Jews had to be found another home, and Palestine then unfortunately remained, which had been the British Rothschild intention all along anyway.

The Zionists had originally offered to fight for Germany against British troops on the German side, but Hitler sensibly refused to allow such known terrorists to be associated with the German war efforts and refused their suggestion.

Hitler protested strongly over the actual illegality of the 1917 Balfour agreement, saying that Britain had had no real right at all to give Palestinian land away to Jews (any more than the Japanese could rightly or legally promise to give Ireland away to any other people for instance).

Palestine was really promised as a reward to Jews as pre-arranged payment for their dragging the US into WWI that Germany had by then already totally won against the British and was then offering very peaceful terms of settlement to the British, with Germany very generously offering that everything should be forgotten and that things should just go back to the way they had been before the war, which Germany had of course never started in the first place. The German Kaiser was extremely reluctant for Germany to be involved in the war and was actually the last national leader involved to mobilize his troops.

Jewish powers in Britain saw their chances to get Palestine by a very foul criminal means that would inevitably lead to the unneccessary deaths of many millions of Gentiles and nevertheless ruthlessly offered to get the US to come in and give the already totally defeated British victory over Germany in WWI, and in carrying out this plan, they deliberately committed nothing less than the intentional mass murder of many millions of Gentiles to get what they selfishly wanted.

This same plan of destruction was then forced on Germany yet again in WWII in almost direct continuation of WWI, which the crooked 'Treaty' of Versailles made inevitable anyway. Churchill stated WWII was really nothing at all to do with Hitler or German National Socialism at all but merely a completion of what had already been commenced by WWI, and that war in WWII would still have been forced on Germany anyway even if Germany were to have been run by a Jesuit priest at the time.

This was never really a war against National Socialism itself, but a war against the German people falsely made out to be 'necessary' against National Socialism, with this same lie hammered into the public mind every day, which more honest British admiralty spies had already reported to Churchill was no real threat at all, with the spies stating that Bolshevik Russia itself was the real threat, but Churchill ignored such reports, as after all, as a crypto-Jew whose mother was a New York Jewess called Jerome, he was a fanatical pro-Jew in reality, and wished to do everything he could to preserve the Jewish Rothschild criminal terrorist creation of Bolshevik Russia, which the Jews intended to take over much of Europe by first destroying Germany, and that is why Russia was made an 'Ally' in WWII and given hundreds of millions of tonnes of war materiel from the US under the Lend Lease Program, including entire vehicle and machine factories.

Churchill stated that what had been most difficult was not how to prevent war with Germany, but how to actually get it started, and once it had been started, not then how to stop it as quickly as possible, but how to keep it going as long as possible.

A rabbi recently stated how 580 million white people who are all considered members of 'The Second Rome' in Europe must be killed, I have the report of him saying this on my site actually, there are only 800 million white people in the entire world, and our numbers are actually dwindling now. All white people now living in other nations like the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand are also to be targets after them of course, nothing less than the total eradication of all white people in the entire world is intended, and then all other non-Jewish races are fully intended to be exterminated as several videos of rabbis saying those very words that I have on my site fully confirm, their Zohar says this and so did Karl Marx who was born in a rabbinical Jewish family, he was a third cousin of the banker Rothschilds.

In 1849 in his public political journal he printed these words; "The chief mission of all other races and peoples, large and small, is to perish in the revolutionary holocaust" He undeniably means all non-Jewish races and peoples.

So this is not really just a Zionist thing as many mistakenly suppose, but actually an entirely Jewish thing, with Head Commonwealth Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis stating that Zionism is Judaism, that the two are totally inseparable in any case, and being the head commonwealth rabbi, he would be the proper expert on this issue as a major leader of the Jewish people.

WWII was deliberately arranged not by Germany, but by the other side to complete the much earlier plan to destroy Germany, really not for any ridiculously purported 'economic' reasons against Germany so as to be able to sell more British motor cars for instance, but in reality only so as to permit the Rothschild creation of Bolshevik Russia to then militarily sweep through much of Europe effectively unopposed by Germany, which was the only nation powerful enough at that time to be able to stop such an intended invasion, hence the deliberate intense focus on smashing Germany.

So Rothschild Jewish plans were to smash Germany in both WWI and WWII to enable their intended communist takeover of much of Europe which they intended to come from the communist Russia that they were also creating. Trotsky (or Lenin?) had stated how 'Western' (Jewish) banks were working in the closest possible cooperation with the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, and while other-named banks were involved, the Rothschilds were the principal shareholders of any banks involved no matter what names they had.

The Jewish-controlled US and Russia later used their massive influence in the UN to officially create the state of Israel, it was nothing to do with Germany, and only 60,000 Jews from Germany went to live where Israel is now, many thousands more Jews than that went from Russia, so one may rightly question why people are not being engineered instead to see earlier immigrant Israelis as being predominantly derived from Russian Bolshevik Jewish stock, many of whom would have been involved in the mass bloodshed against the many millions of murdered Christian white people there, instead of them being seen as primarily of German origin, and such German origin Jews were never members of the NSDAP anyway, which makes all deceptive intendedly rabble-rousing attempts by many to keep referring to such immigrants by using the pejorative 'Nazi' term not only totally inaccurate, but intentionally totally misleading.

And Hitler said he would only deport Jews from Europe if Jews ever again forced war on Europe as he said they had done before already in 1914, with WWI in fact instigated by an 'elite' group involving influential politicians and news magnates financed by Natty Rothschild as reported in the book 'Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War' by Gerry Docherty and Jim MacGregor.

In 1933 a world congress of Jewish rabbis in Amsterdam declared that they would cause the destruction of all of Germany by a variety of means.

The Daily Express of London of March 24, 1933 reported that the Jews had already launched their boycott against Germany and her elected government. The headline read "Judea Declares War on Germany - Jews of All the World Unite - Boycott of German Goods - Mass Demonstrations."

Quote:

"The whole of Israel throughout the world is uniting to declare an economic and financial war on Germany. The appearance of the Swastika as the symbol of the new Germany has revived the old war symbol of Judas to new life. Fourteen million Jews scattered over the entire world are tight to each other as if one man, in order to declare war against the German persecutors of their fellow believers.

"The Jewish wholesaler will quit his house, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his business, and the beggar his humble hut, in order to join the holy war against Hitler's people."

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Just curious - can you point to some resources, references, links or sources for the information you presented in the above comment? I'd like to look into what you say above further. Thanks.

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mothman777's avatar

Every point?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Yes, though I would word it differently - not as one working for the other, but instead as a collobaration between Zionists and Nazis on mutual, sometimes shared goals of achieving a certain outcome.

Here is an interesting paper: "Zionist-Nazi Collaboration and the Holocaust: A Historical Aberration? Lenni Brenner Revisited" (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288407452_Zionist-Nazi_Collaboration)

"This collaboration was an extension of Zionism’s historical attitude to anti-Semitism in Europe, which saw anti-Semitism as the natural reaction of non-Jews to the abnormal presence of Jews. The Zionist movement was outraged by these public revelations of collaboration and sought to censor them. Brenner brought together some of the most damning evidence of Zionism’s collaboration with the Nazis and their obstruction of the rescue of European Jews to anywhere but Palestine."

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Mr. Raven's avatar

You afraid you big strong Russies couldn't defeat those mean ole Nazis all by your lonsome?

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russian_bot's avatar

Just observing how you're beating around the bush instead of just raising your right arm and proudly squeal Heil Hitler! Sieg Heil!

Chicken, aintcha? Come out of that swastika postered closet, it's not illegal.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

No need, the ideal solution would have been for the U.S. to sit it out and let Communist and Nazi assholes kill each other to the last man, while the U.S. sat back and laughed, and the Zio horror state never happened. Sounds like all upside to me! Charles Lindberg wasn't wrong!

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I saw a clip of a black woman walking with her children from the grocery store who was saying this very thing! It was put out by some Zionist piece of shit who was calling for her arrest and going on and on about how Jewish people were being attacked all the while using her as the example. I think it was on a Glenn Greenwald video. But it makes you wonder other than how Zionist came about and most Jewish people are not Zionist.

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Elisabeth's avatar

The German Nazis (& their friends during WW2: Baltic States, Rumania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland etc- always ONLY certain percentages!) & the NeoNazis (almost in EVERY country of this planet - they really have a very tight network - Canada, Scandinavian Countries, NewZealand, USA etc etc) NEVER were peaceloving and for JUSTICE - they were and ARE SCUMBAGS! (I am Austrian and read a lot about this horrible time & look around you, they are HERE AGAIN!). As we know it is so easy to propagandize and brainwash people (think about all the experiments they made with 'guinea pigs' dealing out deadly electrocution to their victims - that were of course in another room in safety), especially if you have a military force that tells you ALL the YEARS that you are surrounded by enemies that want to kill you - so SORRY it is the fault of (mainly) the rules based international order that NO 2State (or 1State-Justice for ALL) was created!

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Uh huh, sure (((Elisabeth))) good thing I am an America first isolationist and not a "Nazi," then eh? Whew, I wouldn't to be on the wrong side of the current ad hominem insult, sob!

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emu's avatar

they were trying hard to rid you of the homosexuals, the gypsies, the socialists, the communists, and the disabled. And of course they tried to get rid of all their opponents.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Was Nazism an overreaction? Of course genocide, was wrong. Were they wholly wrong about why Weimar Germany was a disastrous failure, namely certain people going against the natural logos? No they were not.

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emu's avatar

Yet another incarnation of Children of Light. The fucking natural logos spoke to them and they followed orders.

one day you might catch yourself missing those Jewish heroes who wiped out Palestinians. Who knows, they might understand the logos better than you.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

But let me guess you are a Jew "emu?" LOL!

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Doubt.

If that were true why are they the people of the inversion of all values? They are against nature both human nature, and actual nature ie wilderness. They are the people who promote things like trans cult which is literally an attack on our biological animal natural body. This is gnostic anti-nature cultism which is more explicit in the Kabbalah, and its end game is transhumanism and extinction of natural man.

"Children of light," is Satanic imagery BTW. Lucifer was the "light bringer," and the enlightenment was the beginning of the turning away from God.

Not really surprising as desert people who had no real soil to till, so they had to live off the food grown by others parasitizing on their labor since time immemorial.

TL:DR Jews have been alienated from nature since the beginning of time, nature is the Logos. Read E Michael Jones if this is confusing to you.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Right now, in the funhouse mirror we call life, the images that appear should neither be trusted entirely nor thrust away. Every facet is of our species, irrespective of which portion of the .01 % it looks like at this moment. Long before Zionism there was empire, slaughter and war.

Before humans there were numerous other hominids. Where are they now? We ignore this deeper tendency at our peril.

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Wizard's avatar

The Nazis worked with the Zionists to create a J homeland.

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EileenMc's avatar

Hitler admired our Native Reservations…concentration camps

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Very true, a Nazi newspaper even minted a coin to memorialize that connection that is the U.S. Holocaust museum.

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn517746

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mothman777's avatar

Not 'Nazis', Jews. Why can't you say Jews?

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vj's avatar

Cult behavior is about social bonding and identity. All of the worst collective atrocities engage in this behavior. It, perversely, strengthens their sense of belonging.

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Selina Sweet's avatar

Their defensive structures could be as strong as all those vets who never talk about their war experiences and do not outwardly suffer post traumatic disorder and seem to live ordinary lives. My father worked with a WW2 combat vet who was quiet, orderly, family man, responsible, highly educated, gentle with hollowed out eyes.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

My father fought in WWII and when he came back from Europe, his family noticed that he was a different person than what he'd been before he went overseas. From being a happy and friendly young man (a man I never knew) he came back a bitter, antisocial alcoholic. By the time I met him (I was born in 1948), that happy man was long gone.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Read Slaughterhouse 5 by Vonnegut if you still buy the propaganda that America were the good guys in WWII.

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Selina Sweet's avatar

I’m sorry. That must have been confusing, and hurtful for you as a sprout. That line in the song comes up. “I ain’t gonna war no more.” What an achievement that will be when the people refuse to go to war. For those entering the military because of the need for a job or need to grow up - may there be dignified nonmilitarisric ways of meeting those needs.

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gypsy33's avatar

I suggest free community college or trade school for such young people, Selina.

IsraHellis get free education, thanks to our tax dollars. But young Americans? Yer on your own.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

The firebombing of Dresden was as monstrous as any supposed Nazi war crime, so of course WWII destroyed the psyches of many of our soldiers. America First and Lindberg were correct, it's a shame the bankster connected FDR overpowered their sane rational voices.

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Elisabeth's avatar

Well at that time they were not talking (knowing) about PTSD (remember Patton got in trouble for slapping a soldier who didn't want to go on fighting - brought him at least some trouble ...). If we just could learn that WE the people have NOTHING to gain if our 'wonderful' governments send us off to war!

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bill wolfe's avatar

The sick Israeli society is dancing in the streets and holding bomb watching parties - this tends to ameliorate the individual moral injury. The killers will come home to war parties and parades.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

And then they wonder why they are hated by billions of people?

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gypsy33's avatar

Let them have fun watching the bombs Bill; they’ll have a nice lil surprise when the bombs begin falling on THEM 😁

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José Oliveira's avatar

I realy do believe that the old german word "untermenchen" is today even more actual than in those ugly times

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Nod Dranoel's avatar

Fuck that. The murderers are due whatever misery they wrought upon others.

"Continuing To Support Israel At This Point Just Means You're A Garbage Human Being"

100% . Right from WHEN 10/7/24 was an inside job.

Time to throw out the garbage.

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gypsy33's avatar

I suggest we put the garbage in a sanitation truck to be smashed and pulverized. But their toxicity suggest they may need a separate landfill.

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emu's avatar

To avoid that moral injury we/humans/ apply the vaccine of dehumanizing the 'enemy' beforehand.

Tried and tested, works wonders. Or nightmares.

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forceOfHabit's avatar

So true. Unfortunately its often nightmares. Look at the statistics for the US: more veterans die by suicide than are killed in combat (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/06/21/four-times-as-many-troops-and-vets-have-died-by-suicide-as-in-combat-study-finds/)

I think the Israeli genocide in Gaza is likely to be even more morally injurious to its participants than the US wars around the world (which hasn't risen to the level of genocide since they finished beating up on their indigenous inhabitants) were to its soldiers. And I think the percentage of Israel's population directly involved in the genocide (the percentage of its population who actively serve in the IDF) far exceeds the percentage of the US population involved in its military.

I think that whatever happens in Gaza, Israeli civil society is almost certainly doomed.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"I think that whatever happens in Gaza, Israeli civil society is almost certainly doomed."

I want to really agree with you, but then I look at all the other settler-colonial projects throughout history.... Maybe this time is different?

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Well, Israel has called up 350,000 of its reservists and that's a whole lot and the reason is that both women and men are required to serve in the Israel Defence Forces, and I think it's 2 years for women and perhaps close to three years for men. They have compulsory military service which is implemented after they complete HS. You also have a mindset which is quite different then most countries, and many, if not most of them have been indoctrinated from a young age that Palestinians are inferior and taking up space better filled by fellow Israelis. Gallant seemed quite comfortable in referencing them as animals, and animals that would be deprived of food, water and fuel. That being said, there response to implementing a genocide is not the same as it would be for the youth of other nations. Perhaps that is why so many Palestinians have simply been killed by gunfire from an Israeli soldier for no reason except he was there and an easy target. Settlers in the West Bank who have killed Palestinians and taken their land are often not held accountable. Palestinians with no charges against them can rot in jail for years. Their lives are perceived as meaningless. Cheap. I don't feel sorry for them, but I do feel compassion for those lives they destroy that are being destroyed.

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I don't get all this fascination with killing and joining an army - and end up killing other people. I mean I've lived now for decades - more decades than many unlucky souls, and it seems people just continue to love war, more than they love life itself. You'd think life would be the most precious thing to them - but instead, war and murder appears to be even more precious.

I can't make heads or tails of it. Someone wake me up when it's all over.

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I don't think they have a choice jamenta, just mandatory, but it does send a message that their are enemies out there. In the states the founding fathers thought the population would basically come from northern and western Europe, and when immigrants came from the south or eastern Europe they experienced a great deal of prejudice. Italians living in the south well, some were even lynched. Poles were considered animals. Who fought in WWI in America? Blacks and immigrants, not just any immigrants, but those that came from the south and eastern Europe.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

They aren't human beings, I am seriously starting to think the mid century Austrian painter was correct.

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You mean Hitler?

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Mr. Raven's avatar

TBH, I really don't think America need gone as far as supporting the Nazis's genocide, but if we had stayed out of WWII, we'd have been in much better shape economically, and a whole series of wars instigated by a certain tribe that are draining our treasury and causing our country to collapse wouldn't have happened.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Neo liberal (((finance capitalism))) sucks.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Maybe. :-) Are you offended and do you need a safe space?

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Maybe, and maybe not? Do you have an answer or no? We'll worry about safe spaces later.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Answer above.

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gypsy33's avatar

You know, RB…the guy who banned testing on animals.

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russian_bot's avatar

A vegetarian, loved dogs and children, didn't smoke or drink, built Autobahns, ...

You mean Hitler?

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gypsy33's avatar

Yes, RB .

Sue me.

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No grounds, it's not illegal.

I only wonder why Hitler loving people don't fly swastika along stars-n-stripes. Or in place of, if you hate what you call "Amerikkka"

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gypsy33's avatar

And a talented painter he was, Mr. Raven, in spite of his critics describing him as a “failed artist”.

He worked in watercolor, which, as a fellow artist, I recognize as the most difficult medium.

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

Thanks for your post !! but:

All the psycho-problems you listed are the Gentile's only.

Zionist psyche does not have them, or do you think a worker of the Cargill Meat Solutions will not fall asleep in a perfectly normal way after being well paid for killing hundreds of animals each single day ? Just replace Cargill with Zionist/IDF and animals with Palestinians.

Zionists currently and openly call them human animals.

Whoever is silent now, will be NEXT in the row !!

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The issue of Oct 7th being a false flag is so critical.

Imagine if Izraelis realized how they were betrayed, even slaughtered by the Hannibal Doctrine and that it was **planned** by their own trusted leaders.

The world community would see the genocide taking place in Gaza in a new light, Izrael itself in a new light.

Is Caitlin going to address the issue of Oct 7th being a false-flag?

Moon of Alabama doesn't.

Don't find anything directed at this question even at The Gray Zone.

Caitlin could either deny, confirm or layout the two sides to this issue.

(She does, though, allow commenters to post evidence.)

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The NYT revealed that the Zionist leadership, including Mossad and the IDF, had the Hamas Oct 7th plans months in advance. They knew.

This is confirmed in Izraeli media as well.

The IDF border watchers reported unusual activity. They witnessed Hamas training for Oct 7th. This activity was reported for weeks in advance. And Mossad had spooks crawling all over Gaza. They knew.

They knew.

So what did the IDF do?

In the months before Oct 7th they limited the sharing of intelligence gathered by real-time monitoring of the tactical communication of Hamas operatives on their radios.

They withdrew the majority of their forces at the Gaza border just prior to Oct 7th.

They inexplicably delayed their response to the Hamas jail break **for hours**.

They **multiplied** the number of their own casualties by implementing the Hannibal Doctrine.

They used their own citizens like sheep to the slaughter in order to create blood lust and enable the slaughter of Palestinian women and children. The real target of Netanyahu is not Hamas it is the Palestinian people and their land and their offshore gas fields.

Treachery, betrayal, genocide and theft.

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Headline: *Reports: Senior IDF officer dismissed pre-Oct. 7 intel on Hamas invasion as ‘fantasy’*

https://www.timesofisrael.com/reports-senior-idf-officer-dismissed-pre-oct-7-intel-on-hamas-invasion-as-fantasy/

   "Two lower level officers in IDF’s elite intelligence Unit 8200 outlined a mass invasion one month before onslaught; top officers also waved off manual showing    plans for onslaught"

'Lower level officers' means that the two officers were not 'high' enough in the chain to be permitted to be insiders into the upcoming Izraeli false-flag.

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Headline: *Unit 8200 could have saved Israel from Oct. 7; why hasn't it owned up to its failure?*

https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/11/23/unit-8200-could-have-save-israel-from-oct-7-why-hasnt-it-owned-up-to-its-failure/

   "All relevant commanders in the elite IDF signal intelligence unit were asleep on the wheel, led by Brig. Gen. Y., who heads the unit. It appears that it       failed to share the relevant intelligence, even though it claims it passed on everything to the IDF Intelligence Directorate's Research Division analysts.

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   "The responsibility of Unit 8200 does not end here. In the months leading up to the attack, real-time monitoring of the tactical communication

   of Hamas operatives on their radios was halted. Had they been monitored, at the very least Israeli intelligence would have had time to deploy forces

   and mitigate the scale of the invasion.

   The decision to cease real-time monitoring was made with approval from all levels,..."

The claim that the IDF would stop "real-time monitoring of the tactical communication of Hamas operatives on their radios" is a most difficult claim to swallow. Remember that it isn't just what words are being communicated on the radios, such as the planned date of an attack, there is also location and also association. Who is associating with whom. Where do they congregate? Where does the signal strength begin to diminish as the radio signal goes into a tunnel? Where does a particular radio signal reemerge?

What is really being said when they claim Unit 8200 halted monitoring is that they made access to the monitoring intelligence more restrictive. A "needs to know basis". They did not want anyone sounding the alarm about what Hamas was preparing. They did not need a plethora of "boat rockers" such as the "lower level officers" mentioned above. Also, they needed deniability so that they could brush off discovery of their false flag treachery.

They had Hamas' detailed plans for Oct 7th and pretended to dismiss it.

The plans even detailed how Hamas would seek to lull Izrael into complacency - in detail.

They knew.

Again,

They withdrew the majority of their forces at the Gaza border just prior to Oct 7th.

They inexplicably delayed their response to the Hamas jail break **for hours**.

They **multiplied** the number of their own casualties by implementing the Hannibal Doctrine.

They used their own citizens like sheep to the slaughter in order to create blood lust and enable the slaughter of Palestinian women and children. The real target of Netanyahu is not Hamas it is the Palestinian people and their land and their offshore gas fields.

Treachery, betrayal, genocide and theft.

Oct 7th was a false-flag operation.

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"Don't find anything directed at this question even at The Gray Zone."

Very, very wrong, they documented many people at the music festival were killed by IDF helicopter gun ships and got a lot of heat for it.

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/11/18/video-what-happened-october-7/

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gypsy33's avatar

👏👏👏

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gypsy33's avatar

Amerikkans will swallow anything their guvvmint tells them to, Levi, including their lies about 9/11 and the assassinations of JFK and Bobby Kennedy.

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@Forceofhabit:

You know, Israelis CAN refuse to serve in their military, much like the conscientious objectors during Vietnam.

They’ll be jailed, but their consciences will be clear.

I have zero sympathy for “what is being done to Israeli soldiers”. Their atrocities are unforgivable. Good god, the other day I watched a video of an Israeli tank firing at HORSES, of all things. As we used to say, What if they gave a war and nobody came?

I’ve no clue why so many here “liked” your post. It sucked, and YOU suck for displaying any empathy for these monsters. They all need to hang.

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JoeMichel's avatar

Totally agree with you Caitlin. No other way to say it!

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

Check out Canada's pathetic statement. They're calling Israel's genocide their right to exist and defend itself. https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2024/01/statement-by-minister-joly-on-the-international-court-of-justices-decision-on-south-africas-request-for-provisional-measures-in-its-case-against-is.html

I'm going to write a scathing letter back and copy it all over the place, including to Substack. But I had a late night, early morning, busy day and no nap, so I can't muster the energy to express my rage over this misrepresentation of all the Canadians who are boycotting, taking to the streets, writing letters, confronting politicians and anything else we can do to stop this horrible slaughter.

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Michael Ginsburg's avatar

What would you expect from the Freeland regime headed by an ACTUAL Nazi

https://actionabletruth.substack.com/p/canada-has-been-taken-over-by-a-nazi

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Citizen's avatar

They are completely morally bankrupt, and I think most of them know it. There are a lot who still do not know it though, and many of these aren't even Jewish. I struggle to understand their thinking.

Unrelated or related, I'm not sure: I also struggled to understand the thinking of the Covid vaccine zealots who wanted to lock up those who were against taking it, and who stopped and thought and read about it before they locked in their decision. Somewhere in there is the same type of faulty dug-in thinking.

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jamenta's avatar

Funny how you got people still trying to get Covid back into the narrative. Like WTF? It's a fucking genocide and you still want to talk about Covid??

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Mr. Raven's avatar

The experimental gene therapy mislabeled a vaccine was also a genocide and likely killed upwards of a million people shown by the excess death data.

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Jo Waller's avatar

No, there is confusion over what 'excess death data' is. There is no evidence of a genocide from the jabs.

The age and population adjusted death rate in the US is falling from both that of 2021 and 2000 and in the UK it's falling from that of 2020 and 2008. There was a big dip in deaths in the 2010s. https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/excess-mortality-what-does-it-show

That's not to say that the jabs aren't useless and harmful.

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jamenta's avatar

The defense rests.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Literally just an ad hominem, ring me up when you have anything to say using evidence and reason.

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jamenta's avatar

No thanks.

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Of course no thanks, because you have no evidence, and your mind is too disordered to use reason.

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Citizen's avatar

I wasn't "trying to get Covid back into the narrative", I was merely using it as an extremely recent example of human psychology. And I used it with the proviso "Unrelated or related, I'm not sure". Sheesh. Did you take the State-sponsored jibby-jab and now regret it?

I could have gone back further and used Nazi Germany as an example but you'd probably have a problem with that also.

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jamenta's avatar

Whatever - Citizen dude.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

You have a weak mind, good luck in the coming hard times.

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jamenta's avatar

Thanks!

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Citizen's avatar

"Whatever" yourself.

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jamenta's avatar

I said it first!

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gypsy33's avatar

😂

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Jo Waller's avatar

Yes. I have the same feeling of spider senses tingling, and annoyance, with the blanket repetition of 'rape, beheaded babies, right to defend itself, protest against genocide is anti-semitic' as I did with 'stay at home to save lives, let the elderly die alone to protect them, take an experimental mRNA injection that gives you 0.85% more protection against getting flu like symptoms (according to convicted criminals), protest is anti patriotic and means you don't care about old people'.

The powers that be always insult my intelligence.

Covid is very much related. The propaganda is all coming from the same place. The US neocons and their rich handlers who control the global media. There are factions within it- such as the reds being more anti China and the blues anti Russia and some being more electric than fossil fuel- but making lots of money, keeping us fat sick and on drugs and doubting the climate crisis, picking fights, dividing and conquering, suppressing unions and socialism in the global south and maintaining US hegemony at all costs is what they are, very successfully, doing.

I think a war with China will be the end of it though. So maybe bring it on already!

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Pssst the people behind woke, and the Zionists, and the jabs have a name. It's spelled J E W S! They stage a fake battle between the woke and the Zionists so the Overton window is constrained and they win either way. The game is rigged.

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Ahnaf Ibn Qais's avatar

The Zionist entity needs to be Squished. Any other outcome, given the gravity, scale & scope of its crimes... just doesn't cut it for people of faith (or no faith) who are fair-minded, conscientious & have some semblance of know-how with regard to what Justice, Fairness, etc., happen to be.

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Christopher Pratt's avatar

You have put words to my emotions and feelings on this horrific part of our nature. I am a man of action and really beside myself with anger at what we are participating in. The fall out and blow back is going to be with us for generations.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

I do not like your use of the term "we". I also object to your claim that violence is "part of our nature". Both of these claims are false.

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gypsy33's avatar

Are you seriously insinuating that violence is NOT part of human nature?

This ain’t Shangri-la we’re livin’ in, Darlin’.

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BJ's avatar

We can talk about this until the cows come home - what we need to hear and discuss is how this will end and when. There are few things that leave me more distraught then reading this war will last for months or perhaps even years. Everyday I wake up hoping it's finally over but instead it appears Israel is becoming even barbaric.

So what are we supposed to do? Sit on the sidelines bitching and complaining? We all know this will have an enormous impact on the upcoming election IF they are even held. The irony being no candidate with the exception of Ron Paul, whose not running, will ever besmirch Israel. All politicians are whores and will do anything the Israel lobby says. All these world leaders calling for a cease fire are doing so strictly and solely for appeasement or else they would have done something (or anything) by now, solidifying it's all grandstanding.

I was really hoping by now Russia would intervene and put an end to it as I read an article a while back how it's the USA's greatest fear. I was hoping there would be a escalation in the region and someone would go after Israel - but it appears that will never come to fruition either.

I guess the only thing we can hope for is something so devastating and catastrophic here in the USA there won't be anything left to send to Israel. There's the Cascadia earthquake on the west coast that is way overdo and reported to wipe out the Pacific Northwest - taking decades to rebuild the area. I truly don't know what else to hope for anymore.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Dr. Jill Stein has some harsh words to say about Israel. She's definitely in the pro-Palestine camp. https://jillstein2024.com

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi TRC

So is Dr. Cornell West. Problem is, he’s too “black” for racist Amerikkka to support.

Obama was white enough; half white, talked white, etc.

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Yeah, that could be a problem with Klan members. But I think the real problem with Dr West's candidacy is his lack of organization. He's not really a "politician" which is both a good and a bad thing. He's not going to be on enough state ballots to get elected at all, where as Jill Stein is going to be on all 50 state ballots (and she's over half-way there now). That's why I feel the true protest vote of November 2024 is Jill Stein. She can get the 5%+ the Green Party needs for federal election matching funds and give the Left the MSM publicity that we of the socialist-leaning variety needs to take out the establishment uniparty once and for all.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi TRC

I tend to agree with you. I had originally committed to vote West but I’ve no idea if he’ll be on the ballot in my state. I love that man’s passion but I also believe that Stein would receive more votes and hopefully put the fear of god into the D’s.

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Are you real live bigot or just a crackpot? (Actually, she's of Polish ancestry. I suppose bigots like you have derogatory names for Poles as well.) Blocked.

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emu's avatar

i am polish myself. my comment was sarcastic, have you seen the amount of good old simple antisemitism here?

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russian_bot's avatar

That's what I was going to say TRC. I've had exchanges with 'emu' - he's good for what he says: it was sarcasm.

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Feral Finster's avatar

And I have better odds of becoming the next Pope than she has of bring elected.

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gypsy33's avatar

Feral, popes have traditionally kept cats in the Vatican. So it’s not out of the question 😉

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Feral Finster's avatar

Did not know. Good luck getting that hat on any of them.

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gypsy33's avatar

Feral, you and I both agree that cats are smarter the hoomans. One day the Vatican might wake up 😁

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Hey Fer . . . . as I said in my post we can only hope. Presently, the way things stand, it would appear that any candidate willing to stand up and oppose Israel would certainly win a majority. They just need the chutzpah. But like you say, it'll never happen. But then again they also said Trump would never win. I don't put a lot of credence in it, and can only hope! All this being said, I do put a lot of credence in the following article - this is an excerpt:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-rafah-ground-invasion-zionist-war-against-islam-about-explode/5849441

The stakes are growing higher each passing day as Hezbollah on Israel’s northern border has stepped up its campaign from southern Lebanon against genocidal Israel while Houthi drone and missile attacks in the Red Sea target US naval warships as well as commercial cargo vessels continue unabated. This Middle East powder keg is ready to burst into full-scale war between Israel and its genocidal accomplice the US, dragged into fighting yet another Greater Israel Project war that has all the earmarks for Armageddon. Israel continues to defy all warnings from the US, UN and the International Criminal Court. With the united Arab Islamic world’s strengthening strategic alliance with Russia and China, and its nonstop warnings and threats to Israel all unheeded, by the day the ominous risk of these deeply disturbing developments is growing exponentially.

As world pariahs Israel and US alienate themselves before the entire planet, digging their irreversible grave, lined up on the wrong side of history, they’ve been perpetrating genocide in Gaza for four straight months. Arab nations showing remarkable restraint not to react to their provocations to widen the regional conflict, have been increasingly vocal in their unified disapproval. But with hostilities growing at Israel’s northern border with Lebanon, now at the southern border with Egypt, and the northeastern border with Syria, the Islamic world is preparing a contingency plan ultimately to crush Israel if genocide continues unchanged. Knowing without war his political life is terminally over, Bibi the Butcher has repeatedly rejected all ceasefire proposals and demands. Meanwhile, the US without an exit strategy, has feebly allowed itself to be dragged deeper into a quagmire, daily growing into a wider regional conflict.

On Sunday Netanyahu illogically claimed “enough” of the 132 remaining Israeli hostages still alive more than justify continuing the war.

In response, a Hamas leader said if Israel launches its intended ground invasion in Rafah, it would “blow up” all hostage exchange negotiation.

Despite repeated warnings against the Rafah invasion, Netanyahu instructed his IDF and security forces to come up with a plan to evacuate over one million Palestinian refugees in Rafah to pave the way for Israel’s ground offensive, ostensibly to destroy four well-fortified Hamas battalions entrenched in the city. With the situation growing tenser by the day, also on Sunday, Egypt spoke of “dire consequences” for Israel if Bibi orders his assault on Rafah. The Egyptian foreign ministry stated:

Egypt called for the necessity of uniting all international and regional efforts to prevent the targeting of the Palestinian city of Rafah.

It’s becoming ever-so dangerously clearer, when IDF inevitably does fully invade Rafah, the Arab world is bound to finally strike back and at that pivotal moment World War III will likely be officially activated.

Meanwhile last Friday February 9th, Syrian air defense systems shot down Israeli drones and missiles outside of Damascus fired from Israel’s illegally occupied Golan Heights. Attacks by Hezbollah militants in both Syria and Iraq have steadily increased since the Gaza war began, resulting in the recent proliferation of retaliatory US, UK and Israel strikes against Islamic Resistance groups throughout the region, especially this month with US aerial attacks targeting scores of Iran army and proxy Resistance targets. In response to US-Israel latest strikes, last weekend Iran’s Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian traveled to Lebanon and Syria to discuss the stepped up aggression by Israel and United States, on Sunday meeting in Damascus with both Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad and his Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad. While al-Assad stressed the more the US sends weapons to Israel, the wider the regional conflict is growing (following the same failed US weapons to Ukraine). Bottomline, all this increasing global conflict is the direct result of Western puppets obediently carrying out Rothschild City of London orders. Syrian FM Mekdad stated:

Syria has fought wars against the Israeli occupation, and is ready to fight wars, but it will decide when and how. [Ending Israel’s Golan Heights occupation remains] at the top of our priorities. Syria is ready to pay the price for all these liberation operations.

The top Syrian diplomat added that the unwelcomed US and Turkish military presence in Syria is also an “illegitimate” violation of Syria’s national sovereignty, and like Iraq, also is demanding immediate removal, specifically the United States from its theft in the Conoco Oil Fields and Turkey from Kurdistan and northeastern Syria. Plus, until the 1967 Arab-Israeli Seven Day War, the Golan Heights was always part of southwestern Syria and the ongoing Jewish settler expansion in that long-disputed territory is still rightfully claimed by Syria near six decades later.

The entire Arab Muslim world has been coalescing as a unified front, busily joining the BRICS alliance, while behind the scenes, in self-defense is likely preparing an inevitable, massive Islamic military counterattack against Israel from every direction to ultimately stop the endless Zionist beast from any further aggressive expansion. With a significantly weakened US no longer Israel’s unipolar kingpin protector, the Muslim world by conventional military means is in strategic position realizing it can defeat the Jewish State once and for all, launching a coordinated multi-pronged offensive from multiple directions at once. Israel would be overwhelmed and destined to lose this upcoming war, and perhaps as Kissinger predicted, Israel would no longer exist as a nation. However, Israel never hesitates to evoke the maniacal threat of its infamous Sampson option, unloading its nuclear arsenal on any perceived foes or friends alike. And with both Iran and Pakistan also nuclear powers, this slippery slope of mutual destruction could instantly slip out of hand against all of humanity.

At this late stage, what appears imminently inevitable is the much larger Islam versus Zionist conflict, just as US Freemason Albert Pike predicted in detail this coming World War III 153 years ago.

The entire world is now in grave peril with this impending conflict seemingly about to erupt.

While Americans are too busy watching the Superbowl and the Swift-Kelce psyops to notice, the global masses are also failing to grasp the dire gravity of this present highly explosive situation. As I keep saying, the shit is about to hit the fan on planet earth and there will be no turning back history from all the ensuing destruction likely to come. Luciferian controllers will celebrate this massive bloodletting sacrifice as their human cleansing, confident they can emerge from the other side and gain absolute dystopian control over what life is left.

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jamenta's avatar

Never quote me the odds!

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gypsy33's avatar

War right here on Murkin soil, BJ.

That might just shut up the armchair warmongers.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

"This genocide isn’t a freakish aberration in Israel’s way of being but the ultimate manifestation of it. "

You nailed it. Those who say and do evil things for decades are probably in the habit of thinking they'll continue getting away with them. That's why we can't let up with exposing their war crimes and bringing about an end to their sadistic madness.

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Jeck's avatar

I'd like to see the displaced people of Gaza relocated to Tel Aviv and Haifa.

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Michael Arkof's avatar

Wow. Anti-Semitic much?

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Michael Arkof's avatar

Holy Moses that’s an incredible amount of hate and hurt in your heart. May you heal.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hey pal, one can’t be pro-Palestinian and antisemitic at the same time, since Arabs are the TRUE Semites, not the European rabble currently squatting in IsraHell.

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Michael Arkof's avatar

Incorrect. Although you probably won't take anything you find online that disputes your twisted world, but I will leave this simple wiki link because I understand the need to dispute harmful ideas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_of_Jews#:~:text=Most%20researchers%20now%20believe%20that,from%20European%20converts%20to%20Judaism.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Caitlin - based on some new commenters today, it looks like you are under attack by the Israeli propaganda machine! The trolls are seeding all kinds of ugly narratives, which they will use to try to discredit you and your site. It's so obvious, I urge folks not to take the bait!

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russian_bot's avatar

The farms working social media sites is not a conspiracy theory.

What do you think they do first thing a shift comes to work? Meetings, sites to work on, accounts to use, scripts to employ.

The above is distributed based on results previously gathered, analyzed, summarized, etc. Those metrics are kept for the combinations used.

Example: script used (scripts employ sentiments, frequencies, speed, etc), reactions gathered (responses, likes, etc), and on. You'd be amazed at detail level.

So yes, it's not a suspicion of yours, it's reality.

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pretzelattack's avatar

yeah I was thinking that also.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Thank you bill wolfe. That seems to explain things a little.

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As a Jewish person I have always supported Israel - but never Israel right or WRONG. What Netanyahu, the IOF, and the USA is doing by proxy in Gaza/Rafah is depraved. Two wrongs do NOT make a RIGHT. You can't point a finger at the atrocities that occurred on Oct. 7 and then do the exact same thing and claim it is in the name of "defense" "and national security". We the People of planet earth have heard those lies over and over again to justify endless invasions, occupations, wars, regime changes, assasinations, etc and the result is always the same: thousands to millions of innocent people are the ones who end up paying the price.

I initially defended Israel after Oct 7. Now, I am beyond horrified at what the IOF is doing to the Palestinians. How can anyone with one ounce of decency defend the murder of innocent children and babies? I just watched a video earlier today of Warmonger Pompeo dancing and celebrating with IOF soldiers at the Gaza border. . Another video showed Israeli officials saying "let them all starve to death" while the people in the audience cheered. Hell is too nice a place for anyone who supports this madness.

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gypsy33's avatar

Anyone who EVER condoned the state of IsraHell’s “right to exist”—- it was founded on ethnic cleansing—-is no one to be admired.

Too little, too late, my dear.

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The Israeli state was founded on principles of including Arabs and Arab neighbor states. It was part of the speech by Ben Gurion, the first prime minister of Israel on the eve of Israel’s creation. You can Google it. The next day all the Arab states attacked to wipe out Israel and all the Jews. This purpose was also clearly stated by the Arab leaders. It’s sitting in Google for you to search and read. Israel has bad actors like any state. And you can still be pissed about Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. But the idea that Israel was created on the ethnic cleansing of Arabs is categorically intellectual laziness.

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russian_bot's avatar

Anything "sitting in Google" re certain topics is worthless.

As you claim intellectual agility I suggest starting with Ilan Pappe's "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine". There you'll find references to materials you won't on Google.

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gypsy33's avatar

Spew your bullshit somewhere else, asshole. “Israel” was founded on ETHNIC CLEANSING. Who the fuck you think yer talkin’ to—-I didn’t just fall off the motherfuckin’ turnip truck.

Google, my red-hot ass! 😂😂😂

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Zionists lack human souls.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Dehumanising your enemy seems familiar, and doesn’t lead to anywhere good.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Tell that to the IDF when they call Palestine "animals" and talk about turning Gaza into a "parking lot," before dropping giant bombs on children.

The ugly truth is Jews as an aggregate behave badly, and have for thousands of years, for example engaging in usury that leads to real people losing their houses, farms and small businesses. Why are so many people homeless? Jew usury banking and disproportionality Jew landlords. They have funded both sides of wars through banks for hundreds of years. If you are against "capitalism" you are really against Jews. Jews basically invented large scale usury banking which was considered a sin by both the Catholic Church and Islam, and without large scale usury banking capitalism is impossible. You will notice large scale "investment" (parasite off labor) firms have names like Goldman Sachs (Jew), and are individuals like George Soros (Jew), Larry Fink (Jew), Sam BANKman Fried (Jew). Further Jews control information in America through control of Hollywood, the music industry and academia. Further they control funding of politicians to the extent that both parties are bought and sold by Jewish interests and damn few politicians will even admit Israel is engaging in a genocide. Have you ever seen a Jew doing manual labor? Bonus points for an honest answer! Why is that? Because Jews consider themselves to be a "chosen people," who are above working with their hands. Wage slavery is for goyim, not Jews. A shabos goy is a "gentile" who works for a Jew on the sabbath because they are literally not allowed to do labor on Saturdays. We are all shabos goys writ large now.

Enough euphemisms, time to have some real talk about all this. Which no does not mean engaging in genocide like the goddamn Zionists, or hating the individual Jews who resist Zionism, but it does mean facing reality in a clear eyed way without woke euphemisms. BTW guess who invented woke queer theory? Judith Butler (Jew) and Gayle Rubin (Jew pedo).

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Michael Arkof's avatar

Whoa. Anti-semtism is ripe on this Substack.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

I imagine you are good with "inner child work," (grift) because you never actually fully matured into an adult!

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Bernadene Zennie's avatar

Goofball gtfo of a forum for decent folk

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Would you like to restate your assertion in a parseable human language?

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Notice too that you literally did not even attempt to disprove my assertions because they are all true. "Anti-Semitism," is true, hmmmmm...

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Michael Arkof's avatar

I can't disprove your beliefs to you because your beliefs are based on your emotions-- much the same for me and anyone of course. Difference is I don't make it a practice to categorize an entire race of people. If you go down that rabbit hole you could certainly create an evil out of every single race, religion and nationality that ever existed. I will not change your mind. It would take a catastrophic event for you to have your mind changed, most likely with someone Jewish coming into your life and offering your love and trust like you've never felt before.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

No I made concrete up or down falsifiable assertions like Jews are disproportionality to their population represented in academia, media, the music industry, banking, and the government. Is that true or not? It is true, and you make no attempt to deny it, and it has warped out society in disastrous ways like neo-cons (Jews and Shabos Goys) pushing our country into wars that weren't and aren't in our interest and damaged our economy and led to the deaths of over a million innocent people in the middle east. Do you start to see why I am not a fan?

As for not being exposed to Jews you would be wrong, I went to one of the best liberal arts colleges in the country (Oberlin) with a student body that was probably half Jews. Guess what, they were a bunch of spoiled trust fund wankers, and JAPs, haughty, self centered "people" who had never done a lick of work in their lives, and I am sure they haven't started now into late middle age.

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Bernadene Zennie's avatar

BRRRP! BRRRP! TROLL ALERT!!! PLEASE DO.NOT.FEED. THE. TROLLS!

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Mr. Raven's avatar

What language is that? It surely isn't English. But I do believe I have heard similar sounds at a zoo, when the monkeys were flinging poo at each other.

Devo is real!

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Oh noes, something that isn't woke cliched bullshit you can get from any corporate media broadcast, sob!

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Bernadene Zennie's avatar

YOU. ARE. A .CLICHE. go ply your CIA, NSA,FBI bullshit somewhere else where ASSHOLES care. I can’t believe the decent folk on this forum have spent time answering your assholery

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Oh dear you are triggered, I suppose this is the end game of both "Zionist," and "feminist," brainwashing. Good luck, you are going to need it in the tough days ahead for your ilk.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Deep thots.

Ring me up if you ever grasp the concept that in order to refute an assertion you must bring forth evidence, and do so in an ordered rational fashion. Of course that would require an ordered mind which I thus far see no evidence that you posses.

I am however impressed that you have managed to engage in two logical fallacies, ad hominem and bare assertion with a one word sentence fragment. That is an impressive density of logical fallacies per word. Among the highest I have ever seen in fact. But do try for 3 next time, I have faith in you, you can do it!

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russian_bot's avatar

Triggered, aintcha. And why the fuck won't you give a number asking to "ring you up"?

Blocked! (not really)

Jazzy, come over here fix that fatso as only you know how.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Oh look glowie tag teaming, how adorable, they are so cute before they grow up to be deep state assassins!

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Kevin Hammond CMT's avatar

There is a huge void where their souls once lived if they ever had one to begin with.

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Bernadene Zennie's avatar

OK, Mr. Raven enough of your clap trap. You make this large swath of assertions about “Jews“ and then say well individual Jews are fine mostly sometimes. And then go on to say all of the most horrible shitstorm stuff that was the the great reason for the holocaust, you dumbass. The reason why Jews are disproportionately represented in banking is because that’s all they were allowed to do was to lend money. Remember Shylock from the Merchant of Venice ?? Shakespeare?? remember His “pound of flesh“? what the fuck -that’s all they were allowed to do. They weren’t allowed to be in in other trades, they were kept from all kinds of things, and the reason for the Holocaust was for thinking like you all over Europe spread largely by the Christian church. Don’t give me your bullshit. I’m a complete Palestinian anti-Zionist genocidal Israel hater but your bullshit sounds like a provocative person Perhaps a provateur, saboteur, perhaps a mole perhaps someone over the top trying to say that all the people that are against Israel are like you and we are not -we are not. We are not -get the fuck out.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

P.S. you have no power to push me out of here, this is a free speech platform, and it is Caitlin's decision who gets to speak here, and thus far she has been commendably open to a wide range of views. Doesn't that just piss you off?

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Bernadene Zennie's avatar

OK now I’m convinced you’re a bot -only a bot would give such nonsensical canned answers full of BS that It has been fed to spit out testing your AI masters’ wherewithal and savvy. No matter- you and your BS are certainly welcome here to be laughed at and inspected. By all means carry on. From here on out it's all enjoyment all the time.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Lol, you have no idea what's coming do you lady?

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Lady both the Catholic and Islamic faith said usury is a sin for a reason, it wasn't merely arbitrary. And that reason is, if you allow usury to take place it hurts poor and middle class people most like families who own homes, small farmers, small business owners, currently broke college students in debt peonage to (((banks))). We need a debt Jubilee ASAP. Capitalism is Judaism. I suggest reading E Michael Jones book Barren Metal if this is a new concept to you.

https://www.amazon.com/Barren-Metal-History-Capitalism-Conflict/product-reviews/0929891147

Judaism is a religion/culture some perhaps many, though certainly not a majority of Jews do transcend the Talmudic horror of the worship of money, I can name many good Jews like Aaron Matte, Max Blumenthal, Noam Chomsky (though he was bad on the pandemic), Norman Finkelstein, Gilad Atzmon, the old Testament Jews of Nutrei Karta, etc. That is not nothing, I sincerely appreciate their efforts to transcend their tribal/cultural loyalties and embrace humanity.

And please don't pretend your shit doesn't stink lady, when you say things like, "the reason for the Holocaust was for thinking like you all over Europe spread largely by the Christian church," your deep hatred of Christians is clear and obvious for all to see, not surprising considering the Talmud has Jesus Christ being boiled in excrement which is shameful and disgusting.

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Vee's avatar

Or just completely brainwashed. It's no different from being a member in the Covidian cult.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Are you a Covid denier? Then you are brainwashed.

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Gregor McIntosh's avatar

Indeed, for people to deny COVID-19 after it killed over 6 million people is crazy. And it’s purely a conspiracy theory.

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Vee's avatar

Show us the proof that COVID-19 killed 6 million people and not the hospital protocols. Here are testimonials from the trenches during that time of what "COVID-19" really was: https://rumble.com/v47o0uo-vsrf-live-110-covid-whistleblowers-what-the-nurses-saw.html

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Gregor McIntosh's avatar

I don’t speak with idiots.

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Surely you know ad hominem and bare assertion are logical fallacies Mr. "I love the science," guy. Note "the science" ie a narrative from big pharma, the media and the government is different than the scientific method.

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Vee's avatar

Spoken like a true cultist.

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Gregor McIntosh's avatar

If the government told you that toasters were dangerous to put in bathtubs, you’d try and put one in a bath and you’d fucking electrocute yourself.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Err i think it's the other way around!

Where is the evidence for 'covid' https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/there-is-no-covid same as where is the evidence for rape and beheaded babies.

Was it hamas or Israel who were responsible for deaths.

Was it a new disease or was it the treatments and old age responsible for the covid (average age 83) deaths.

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Douglas Coull's avatar

You are a blithering idiot and an ageist. Blocked.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Blocking and not providing evidence. Super.

Should not being frail, isolated, malnourished, above the average age of death, in a care home and administered midazolam or on end of life 'care' (deliberate dehydration) be taken into consideration when considering a cause of death?

If I said that obesity contributes to millions of premature deaths would that make me a body shamer and fattist?

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Mr. Raven's avatar

Covid was real but much less virulent than claimed. After the Omicron variant which was highly transmissible and with low levels of lethality almost everyone got it and herd immunity was achieved. At that point there was no possible excuse for pushing the experimental mRNA gene therapy mislabeled a "vaccine," but it was pushed anyway. Why do you suppose that is? Could it be corporate profits and state control? And I wonder which small minority pocketed most of those profits?

Hmmm, could it be the same one behind the genocide in Gaza?

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Vee's avatar

I am as much a covid denier as I am an anti-semite, a conspiracy theorist, an anti-vaxxer, a transphob, etc. What other labels do you have for people who disagree with you?

The irony of all of this is that you and others don't trust the authorities when it comes to the obvious Israeli war crimes and you can even see through the propaganda, but for everything else, the government is telling the truth.

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Gregor McIntosh's avatar

You don’t believe that COVID 19 was as deadly as it was.

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Vee's avatar

Something certainly happened that was called "Covid", but it's not what the masses have been brainwashed to think. For the curious minded folks out there that don't know what I am referring to:

https://consentfactory.org/2020/10/13/the-covidian-cult/

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Jo Waller's avatar

Watching the Western puppet's lockstep parroting of the Empire's propaganda machine and its repetitive, brainwashing illogical script about Russia, Palestine and China makes it even clearer to me that they did they same thing with the fake pandemic.

Dissenters who look into things are Putin sympathisers, anti-semitic, communists, uncaring, anti-vax nutters or brainwashed.

However, unlike the neocon 'trust the science' mantra; scientific evidence for everything said is provided https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/seeing-is-believing

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Citizen's avatar

I just wrote something similar! I think there are parallels there somewhere.

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Kevin Hammond CMT's avatar

Smedley Butler and his book come to mind

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Bernadene Zennie's avatar

Repeatedly

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spinbackwards's avatar

Howdy Caitlin,

As I've said before, I was brainwashed.

I believed W, when he said there were WMD's. I traveled from the CO mountains to see Obama elected in Grant Park, in 2008. I believed the NYT and CNN.

Circa 013 I started paying more attention to Gaza. But again, I trusted the media to tell me it was over my head -- too complicated. Although I was pretty sure Israel was in the wrong, given who kept trying to tell me Israel wasn't in the wrong.

Then 10.7.23 happened. The next day I remember telling myself I was going to finally understand it all. It didn't take me long, thanks to folks like Norman Finkelstein, Mike Peled, and others. Then it hit me, how much I've been lied to - about so much.

I've traveled through various stages of grief in my mind since. I thought we were fucked. But now I have hope. And that's largely due to the younger people. I think in many ways, what's going on now is their Woodstock. Only instead of hitchhiking across the country to go, they're doing it online. Which is fine.

I don't believe the younger people are going to stand for what's happening. I believe they see how fucked up things are. I agree with you, it won't happen overnight. But I think the days of Biden, Pelosi, Trump, Bibi and their kind are numbered. Because the young people see through their bs.

I really do believe the young people are going to change the system. And I think we'll owe it to the Palestinians and Jews who died.

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Jeck's avatar

I agree. And also feel it necessary to check my rage lest I become that thing I hate....

The devil has ways of wrangling us there.

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jamenta's avatar

One of the first suspects in a murder case is always the spouse of the victim. People think they would never be capable of such an act. Little do people know the depths of human nature, or how the irrationality of rage can completely take over one's reasoning abilities. The unconscious can hit you before you know it - your ego is not in as much control as it would like to think. Most handgun deaths in a home are from someone in the family, or a close friend ...

When you look in the mirror, be wary of what stares back at you.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Look in the mirror when you are tripping on LSD. You will learn all you want to know. I know I did.

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