Diana, I know what you mean (or the point you’re making) but the mainstream media is sadly more relevant than ever ... whilst WE know it is a joke and a corrupt cesspool, it is literally shaping a seperate reality every minute of the day for the majority of voters in most western democracies, meaning it is still shaping the future for all of us.
I totally agree and if it were Russia or China who had been responsible for a set up like this the investigation and analysis would have been ongoing. That the most advanced State in the Middle East (nd for that matte most of the world) would not have a fail safe system at one of its most vulnerable borders is literally beyond belief .
It's not that those -- still the overwhelming majority there -- who continue to see MSM outlets as "relevant" ain't paying attention. In fact, they choose their sources quite carefully. And opt for ones that will tell them what they want to hear. However, the thing is, the relationship between "alternative media" and the majority of its audience isn't that different...
They are relevant because they telegraph government policy.
It's important to watch the MSM so you know what the next moves are going to be. If CNN is coming to the party now, it's because they've been told to apply pressure.
No, and you shouldn't. But, they are, as Chomsky says 'full of facts.' It's just really important to read between the lines. Case in point; suddenly, Biden is less interested in Assange. It will be spun as 'freedom of the press' or some such bullshit, to be sure. But, I suspect in light of all the other issues facing him, it's been decided it's not worth fighting for now.
The main value of NPR or any other MSM outlet is not as a source of facts, information or even analysis, but as a source of what the Received Wisdom on a given issue is for a given slice of the PMC, what the target audience is expected to pay attention to and how much, and what the target audience may ignore.
They are promoted as “trusted” news and then disturbed into personalized propaganda streams on “social media” where the subjects of this propaganda falsely think they are in a user-driven world.
This is a very interesting conversation you've started. I wonder if the gradual public tanking of the zionazis will open a window in a few peoples minds...
I'd say the October 7th (2023) events were in fact engineered to generate sufficient horror, blind rage, & zealotry amongst the Zionist congregation to begin the extermination of the Palestinian people regardless of the opinions of the rest of the world and its cattle-people. A few israelis died for the team but that didn't matter to the high ups in the Zionist world. The more of the team that died, the merrier the high ups became.
It's public information that Biden armed, and obviously, financed Palestine in September of 2023. He also armed the Israeli settlers. It definitely was a false flag. He did what America did to Japan; use them in the false flag at Pearl Harbor. They used our fuel to get there. then, we dropped 2 nukes on them. Read into " Operation Northwoods " from 1962. That's a plan to attack yourself, then blame someone else. think 9/11, Charlie Hebdo, London...et al.
And the IDF knew the attack on Oct. 7 was coming but stood down. There were skirmishes in Gaza, literally, all year in 2023, but they only focused on October 7th. " therr's yer sign " ...
Charlie, you need to watch news outside the obtuse CNN/NYTimes bubble blob. A few facts:
1) In the days before the attack the Israeli govt moved a lot of soldiers north to the West Bank, so the bases next to Gaza were undermanned.
2) The vaunted intelligence system and sophisticated network of surveillance hardware was not operating completely. The Israeli Pegasus program can -- and do -- monitor your phone calls and online activity, yet we are to believe the Israelis knew nothing.
3) Oh, yeah, and both Egypt and the US provided multiple warnings to the Israeli govt that there was a likely attack coming together. Those warnings were completely ignored.
4) Tel Aviv is about 45 miles from the attack area, yet it took the military 5 to SEVEN hours to get troops in the area.
5) Over a third of Israelis killed were slaughtered by Israeli forces, firing tank shells into homes and missiles into vehicles fleeing the concert area.
Really, Charlie, abandon corporate media. I say this as a one-time newspaper journalist, having worked in corporate media for 18 years.
I dont watch CNN or MSM. I do listen to polls and listen to data. The Muslim world and Islam need to be reformed. It's disgusting what most of the Muslim world views are. If you sleep among terrorists and you, as a nation of people, view Jews as a nation of people that should be eliminated from this world, then I dont have a lot of sympathy for your cause. Explain the Pew polls to me.
Care to respond to the points I raised above, Charlie?
Would you apply the same standard to the opinions, views and actions of the western world?
Interesting how literally tens of thousands of innocents in Gaza have been getting slaughtered and journalists and aid workers killed for six months and callous silence and indifference from the western world. Then seven white aid workers from the World Kitchen group were systematically hunted down in three attacks in an almost two-mile long Israeli murder operation and SUDDENLY the western world found its heart to speak out against such violence and killing of innocents.
The western world is not as advanced, educated, sophisticated or humane as you like to believe, Charlie.
Just crack open a history book and read up on our history of hate, madness and wanton cruelty of our religious and cultural views and multiple prejudices. Ponder the toll of our recent wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya Ukraine and our long history of other wars going back to Vietnam. Hell, just look at how the US and Europe fund, arm and provide diplomatic cover for the current Israeli genocide.
Our form of corporate for-profit terrorism is just more mechanized and ramped up on a much larger scale. The US death toll in the cause of corporate profit since WW II is in the hundreds of millions.
That is us, Charlie.
Really, we are not such good, enlightened, compassionate people. Our 'civilized' values are not so civil. Just look in the mirror.
Charlie - what ARE the views of the Muslim world? I know what I have been TOLD their views are. I know what their officers of state say they are. Sadly, I do not know any Arabic Muslims to ask them what their views are. I know US based Muslims, and I find them to be kind people. I've known Pakistani Muslims, and I have found them to be kind and generous. So... honestly, I don't know that I can condemn the whole of a group for the loudest and most obnoxious of them. I do not condemn all Jews - or even most Jews - for the Gazan massacre, any more that I condemn most Christians for the actions of the US (being that some insist it is a 'Christian Nation.'
Seriously - what do you know about Muslim world views? Which Muslims? Where are they? What country do they come from? Are they ALL bad people, who hold the exact same views? Or could there be diversity, as there is between Universalist Christians and Fundamentalist Pentecostals?
Study Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris. Research Pew polls that ask thousands of Muslims who practice Islam what their particular views are. The Data is available. They hate Western society. They stone gay men and throw them off buildings for a reason. Why do you think there are honor killings? The religion needs to go through a period of reform. It's just that simple. Their true beliefs their true teachings are disgusting.
Oh, Charlie, I know it is super painful to respond to facts that challenge your cultural cul de sac, but at least TRY in order to have some pretense of legitimacy instead of swimming in a cess pool of cultural smear.
If you want to talk "disgusting" take a look at Gaza ... that is our civilization with all the masks off.
Hitchens and Harris, eh? Check out Chris Hedges, an Arab speaker, former NYTimes chief correspondent in the Middle East and on-the-ground, outside-the-press pool Middle East combat reporter. He was let go by the NYT after speaking out against the start of the Cheney/Bush Iraq war.
Likewise Max Blumenthal (Jewish) and Gabor Mate (Jewish Holocaust survivor) and his son Aaron Mate. They have written books on the subject with Hedges and Blumenthal with long experience on the ground in Gaza and the Middle East.
In other words, Charlie, before embarrassing yourself so publicly, do some research, and try to scrape up a smidgen of compassion.
That wasn't an answer. Do YOU know any Muslims, or are you looking to men who have been widely condemned as Islamaphobic for your information? (Hitchens, as I recall, hates pretty much all theists....)
Wake up, Charlie. And, YOU go find the evidence. don't wait for someone else. you have a $1,000 phone, probably in your hand. Google is bought and paid for, owned and operated by DARPA. but even they haven't blocked anyone from finding the info.
Very simple. Who benefits from such action? Certainly not the Palestinians or Hamas.
Trump, Putin and most of all, Netanyahu benefit.
Never mind Mossad is arguably the top intelligence agency in the world and they didn’t see something right under their notices that took thousands of phone calls and hundreds of shipments?
You think I am excited because you’re expected to engage from the standpoint of an honest broker? We’re done here. You’re a morally bankrupt cretin. Obviously, we should’ve had a lifeguard in your Jean pool generations ago.
Because he is the most staunch ally of Netanyahu. We are just in alliance of convenience. Stupid enough to write blank checks.
How does he benefit? Money, discussion and narrative is pulled away from his crimes against humanity concerning Ukraine. Netanyahu and Putin are a serious access of evil.
Netanyahu is the fake news media. Get a grip. “Pegasus” doesn’t look good on a résumé. Bigger crimes against humanity is never good bullet point either.
When I was a young girl I wanted to be a journalist, but by the time I was 14 I knew that things had changed, and all I could hope for if I landed a job at a major paper or radio station or tv station was to be a celebrity name, or an errand girl serving a celebrity name. And by the time I was in my 20s I was aware that journalists were no longer beholden to the truth, and wondered if they ever were.
Independent media is the only 'news' I trust and even that had better stand up to my own fact checking. It usually does, depending on the bias of the reporter -- but at least I don't have the expectation that everything is fully vetted and triple checked by an editor. I know, going in, that the bias is there, and chances are I don't get the whole picture. But I can cobble together a more whole picture with independent media than is available on ALL the mainstream media outlets, put together.
The whole world is sad, Caitlin. But I still have hope that things can get better. Just like I believe that war will end someday.
The main value of any MSM outlet is not as a source of facts, information or even analysis, but as a source of what the Received Wisdom on a given issue is for a given slice of the PMC, what the target audience is expected to pay attention to and how much, and what the target audience may ignore.
I always cringe at the claim that humans are created in the image and likeness of god, immediately provoking me to wonder what consciousness-altering drug cloud the blundering deity was inhaling on the seventh day (or whenever that creation is supposed to have transpired).
But the further claim that the tribes of Israel are the chosen people of god provokes an even more detailed image, revealing a mythological Zeus-like figure, the gigantically powerful liar-deity, looking up from under a bed sheet, pausing from a sexual encounter with numerous nymphs as he casually assures spouse Hera of his faithfulness to their union. That Prevaricator god should be imprinted on every flag and other symbol of the Zionist state.
"I always cringe at the claim that humans are created in the image"
Almost as cringe worthy as believing in some magical, all capable random particle ... that miraculously becomes conscious. People are idiots, especially the ones who really believe they got it all figured out. You find them in every century don't you? The know-it-all morons.
I think it's the desperation gullibility factor. Desperate because they can't either understand or rationalize the chaos they observe, they'll jump, gullibly, at any fictional magic potion that even temporarily assuages their anxiety. Or . . . take a pill for that anxiety, with the potential side-effect of distorting their neurological parameters toward an even broader world of delusions.
Yeah that must be it. Everyone is gullible except those who believe in the magical particle! Who knew?
Get back to me when you've figured out what produces consciousness - because currently not one living fuck knows. And if you think someone does, you're about as deluded as Saint Nick ever was.
Why the fuck must you continually assume an adversarial posture (translation, you forever slip into some tangential ad hominem bullshit). The question is not what I know about the basis of consciousness. I agree: no one knows (and to speculate about it seems the new craze). To me a desert Juniper may be as conscious of its existence as the lizard sheltering in its shade or the bird eating its berries, or myself admiring its longevity. The question is what it is about your approach to the question that requires the track you frequently follow, which often stimulates me to steer clear of responding lest an unproductive back and forth ensue.
Oh - you're steering clear. What a terrible loss for me. If I only were more aware of say, someone like James Hyslop, or Richard Hodgson - I could be more like you - the William James of our time.
I'm telling you that you're a insecure lunatic, who appears to have zero understanding of anything involving genuine complexity, the perfect definition of a universal dilettante, who believes exactly otherwise, that I have no use for time-wasting shitheads like yourself. Anything that might be a loss to you is a gain for the rest of the individuals in the world for whom you often play the role of infectious plague. Have a wonderful role play; you're quite good at what you do. I'll grant you that.
To look at just *one* checkmate-level deflator of the "chosen people" absurdity ...
If the Abrahamic scriptures' claims regarding this had simply popped up simultaneously in (what are the modern nations/cultures of), say, Korea, Norway, and Chile at the same time (c.1000-500 BCE afaik), *then* this could count as actual evidence that something godlike was afoot. But nah, God wasn't capable of doing this one simple thing, or anything else that could actually make sense.
Instead, a magnanimous set of the superior ones evangelized the magical text to the world *themselves* via the "Greatest STORY Ever Told", and it is we who have carried that water for two thousand years, even as a few of us with the switch on upstairs began to realize something was rotten in the Levant. "God gave it to us! Come on, would we *lie* to you?! We're GOD's people, FCS!!" That so many Christians have fallen for this (and *continue* to do so from Thailand to Tanzania) is just so pathetic.
And militant Atheists are the new church priests of today - who shit on everyone else who believes differently from them. Nothing new to see here, just a new class of know-it-all assholes, who have kindly figured out why we're here - for all the rest of us.
Eat peanuts out of my shit sweetheart. Then, you can fuck off. All the way off. And when you get there, you can fuck off some more, Babooshka. Lay off the vodka.
And my point is the two are the same cheeks of the same backside.
And I'll be more clear here: Atheism is a BELIEF system. It is a metaphysical belief system based on what Atheists believe to be true about reality and about themselves. Militant Atheists believe there is NO EVIDENCE for whatever the fuck they define divinity as - which usually is a kindergarten caricature of spirituality.
You talk about "INDOCTRINATION" - but you don't apply your same jaundiced appellation to Skeptic atheists do you? And then you want to lecture me here about "politeness" and how vast the difference is between the two philosophical points. Excuse me - but your anti-religious views stink to high heaven and your reasoning is that of a school boy.
Metaphysics is a category of philosophy, of which theism and atheism belong. Many atheists like to think science proves their atheism - which is far from the case. Just as many theists believe the existence of Jesus proves their theism - which is also far from the case.
The difference between either of the groups, is not as vast as you might think.
We are in a war for freedom of speech and challenging the lies of the MSM. We can see now the damage it has done after decades of lies, duplicity, and propaganda to our societies.
Each of us can play a role by spreading the truth making it harder and harder for the MSM to lie to us.
There is a global shift to many global international platforms where journalists of real integrity are speaking out and this is the wave of the future. Many of these are on Substack. Aaron Mate, Ben Norton, and Seymour Hersh are worthy examples. Millions of us are switching over to The Duran, Redacted, George Galloway, and others, now essential outlets for knowing the truth.
Sharing information has never been more important.
In spite of the monolithic power and resources of the MSM independents the world over are making a huge difference.
There is a tipping pointing. We must push the MSM into a corner where it can no longer lie to us.
I think once the boomers die the corporate media will die too because no one will watch it. They made tons of money during Trump, but once he was gone they lost lots of revenue…that is till they started covering him again. If he wins this will be their last big show.
A very dangerous assumption. The corporate media will only die when there is a major redistribution of wealth, power, and more enlightened governance. These changes will be generational.
I am appalled at Glenn Beck, he sits there yapping to probably millions of listeners and viewers about how he stands with Israel. Now that they're murdering everyone in Gaza Ive really paid attention to what he says, Ive noticed he never mentioned the situation with Candace Owens and DW, he used to praise her, he now says he wants to become an Israeli citizen. I know hes a historian so why is he doing these things, he has to know the truth because Im no journalist or historian and I know the truth. Ive wondered if hes being threatened by the government over there, if he says anything they'll destroy him. I really want to believe that but then on the other hand Im wondering why hes being so gutless not to tell the truth. Candace said something in one of her shows, she said every single podcaster is told they have to support Israel or else, she's a prime example of what "or else" means.
US empire in rapid descent into Totalitarianism - run by corporations and Wallstreet. Americans vote in an Electoral scam, and their so-called Representatives in congress only Represent the obscenely rich and their lobbyist tools. The corruption, the depraved wealth inequality, and the sadism of American geopoliticals - from a CIA managed murderous rampage in Moscow, to the still ongoing sadistic genocide in Gaza - is what America has now become - the values of a violent, psychotic child. The Joffrey Baratheon of the world.
This is part of the media strategy to claim that they've just "discovered" the genocide. It lets them off the hook for all their prior propaganda and supports the merging narrative of "Biden and US as humanitarians".
Media reveals are carefully orchestrated and coordinated with our governments. The big media corporations weave a fabric of reality with cherry picked factoids that lead us on the way to submission and delusion. A wicked form of story telling.
IMO, this means Biden Inc. has given CNN new orders. I also think, like many many others, that Netanyahu is going to be the scapegoat, but things will not get any better for the Palestinians. Just a feeling.
Also, I think that the government and media are finally acknowledging that alternative media, for the moment, spreads the truth and is not easily controlled. So might as well roll with it, even if temporarily.
Your feelings are very likely correct. I see this as part of the pivot to "we just discovered there was a genocide going on".
The emerging storyline supports the "Biden and US are humanitarian heroes" as well as provides an excuse for all their prior propaganda false coverage. Same thing happening in Ukraine as Russian victory becomes impossible to deny.
I hope someone muzzles Macron and Cameron. They are in the same cesspool as Zelensky, hoping to start a huge war. I saw an interview with some French guy who said Russia is terrified of France. Good grief. The only terrifying thing, to me, is how far any of them will go to make things worse, like bombing Moscow. Which the French guy said France could do in a few minutes - bomb Moscow and Saint Peterburg. Logic does not apply anymore, it seems, we just have psychopathic egotistical hands on the wheel now.
I agree totally, European politicians are in a hysterical war frenzy - people are fully propagandized so my hopes are gone! As the economy is tanking they follow the US model for the MIC (see f.i. Rheinmetall stock) and the Bankers have $signs in their eyes for the German plans to rebuild Ukraine (THESE ABSOLUTE MORONS!)
The West has already sunk so muchinto Ukraine, both in terms of materele and support, and having repeatedly called for a Ukrainian victory as the only acceptable outcome, that a Russian victory, or in fact any other outcome, will result in a grave loss of status for the West.
This is one of many instances where Russian miscalculated. The West have basically painted themselves into a corner where they have no choice but to escalate, and the sociopaths ruling the West would without hesitation kill us all rather than lose their status.
Who would do the fact checking? I would just settle for an algorithm that promotes all news sources equally - not give a huge advantage to corporate media.
There IS a word for it and that’s called “colonialism”.
This is not a solitary event, this food mass murder. And neither even is the subjugation of the Palestinians.
The so-called western world has several centuries track record of subjugating people, stealing the land, labour and national wealth - and savagely punishing entire peoples by massacres when they rebel. Almost inevitably….those colonial mass murder events have been the subject of extensive fact suppression, spin, and at a last resort victim blaming.
This is what colonialism is. And it never went away. The mere idea that a bunch of Europeans can point to a spot of land, wipe out the locals, import a bunch of white people and act like nothing is PERVERSE about that, well that tells you everything: we are supposed to treat colonialism as normal and we are expected to assert the right of colonialists to….”defend themselves” from rebels among the dispossessed…by any means necessary.
That BTW is basically what Germany argued in court yesterday at the ICJ:
Germany was in effect asserting that, having perpetuated genocide on European Jews….it has subsequently has a DUTY to ensure that the colony “Israel”, which it and other Europeans created to export European Jews to (unsaid part was: by dispossession of the Palestinians) is “secure”.
So there you have it: it’s declared openly in court. The eurocokonials assert their duty to perpetrate and perpetuate colonialism. Don’t pretend you don’t know what this is. Or why.
It's an 'election' year in the US. No wannabe politician would dare to go against Israel propaganda..However the increasingly repugnant media occasionally will hint at truth in an attempt to win back trust and thus ratings. Never forget that media is licenced and exists at the behest of the fascist corporate cartel we call government. Media is governments greatest weapon, short of outright force against the people. The lies are headlines, the retractions, and truth are often backpage.
To anyone paying attention, the mainstream media has become irrelevant.
Diana, I know what you mean (or the point you’re making) but the mainstream media is sadly more relevant than ever ... whilst WE know it is a joke and a corrupt cesspool, it is literally shaping a seperate reality every minute of the day for the majority of voters in most western democracies, meaning it is still shaping the future for all of us.
A depressing and terrifying thought, Greg. But you're probably right.
NPR Works With Mossad
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Mary Louise Kelly, the anchor for 'All Things Considered' at NPR
worked with, or 'shilled for', Israel's Mossad spy agency.
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Background
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There are many strong indicatiors that Israel let Oct 7th happen on purpose.
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It was done so as to create outrage and the support for ethnically cleansing Gaza, and
predictably, this would be followed by the same treatment in the West Bank.
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The strong indications of LIHOP were numerous, including, but not limited to:
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Netanyahu was three months away from annexing a large portion of the West Bank,
everyone, including Hamas, knew it.
Netanyahu intentionally antagonized the Palestinians by invading the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
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**** Israel was in possession of Hamas' *detailed* plan for Oct 7th a year in advance.
**** Israel removed the majority of it's forces around Gaza just prior to Oct 7th.
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Mossad had humint, spys, crawling all over Gaza.
Gaza was the most watched patch of Earth by satellites.
Plus! Israel's own intelligence officers were warning -- in writing -- that they believed an attack was imminent.
Israelis watching the borders of Gaza had been sounding the alert over unusual activity for weeks and months.
Israel relocated the Rave Party into the known danger zone just three miles from Gaza; irregular pressure
from higher ups overruled the grave security concerns of the IDF officers who normally were charged with approving or
disapproving activities near Gaza.
It was hours before the IDF arrived in force after the Hamas jail break, Israel refuses to explain why.
But even before the arrival in force of the IDF Israel had implemented the Hannabal Directive.
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The above are the familiar indicators. You should also be aware that, incredibly, Israel ceased the monitoring of
Hamas' radio network some months before Oct 7th. This is Israel's stance, that they ceased monitoring
altogether; but, more likely is that they compartmentalized it so that only insiders to the LIHOP
were getting this critical intelligence.
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Israeli media headline: "Unit 8200 could have saved Israel from Oct. 7; why hasn't it owned up to its failure?"
https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/11/23/unit-8200-could-have-save-israel-from-oct-7-why-hasnt-it-owned-up-to-its-failure/
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This is where NPR comes in.
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NPR, in the person of Mary Louise Kelly, the anchor for 'All Things Considered',
promoted the cover up angle that ceasing of the monitoring was a reasonable thing to do.
Her sounding board was the "retired" Sima Shine, former head of research and analysis for Mossad.
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Read it and see that this was not reporting, but advocacy for an Israeli cover-up agenda.
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/06/1211024508/israels-spy-agency-is-one-of-the-best-how-did-it-not-foresee-hamas-attacks
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Also, the NPR interview only dealt with the interception of messages by means of monitoring Hamas' radio network.
***Importantly, NPR did not address the fact that there is sophisticated monitoring equipment capable of giving locations and numbers
of radios being used by an enemy.
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The radio communication traffic would have become volcanic on Oct 7th, and that itself should have led to a Red Alert.
**Israel could have also seen large radio traffic taking place **outside** !!! the walls of Gaza in the minutes after the
jail break and this would certainly be cause for a Red Alert.
With the monitoring equipment Israel could have then tracked the direction and concentration of Hamas.
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Listening to the interview, clearly NPR is actively assisting with explaining away the lack of monitoring.
This is not reporting or journalism this is actively assisting Israel/Mossad with a cover up.
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You might find it interesting to listen and you will notice a curious thing.
At the above NPR link is a podcast of the interview.
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When the interview gets to the real meat of why it was ok to stop monitoring
the Mossad agent is explaining and suddenly there is a hard edit. You can discern it easily.
Mossad is explaining, "And...". And then explanation is cut short.
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At the 3:30 mark is the very clear edit.
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"SHINE: But it makes sense to me. It makes sense to me. And... "
I totally agree and if it were Russia or China who had been responsible for a set up like this the investigation and analysis would have been ongoing. That the most advanced State in the Middle East (nd for that matte most of the world) would not have a fail safe system at one of its most vulnerable borders is literally beyond belief .
Ok, so I dont get it. ( "Mary Louise Kelly, the anchor for 'All Things Considered' at NPR
worked with, or 'shilled for', Israel's Mossad spy agency ") What is the problem with that? Maybe Mary needed a job.
But not to enough people, Diana.
It's not that those -- still the overwhelming majority there -- who continue to see MSM outlets as "relevant" ain't paying attention. In fact, they choose their sources quite carefully. And opt for ones that will tell them what they want to hear. However, the thing is, the relationship between "alternative media" and the majority of its audience isn't that different...
They are relevant because they telegraph government policy.
It's important to watch the MSM so you know what the next moves are going to be. If CNN is coming to the party now, it's because they've been told to apply pressure.
I skim msm to see what they're saying, but I don't trust them to tell the truth.
No, and you shouldn't. But, they are, as Chomsky says 'full of facts.' It's just really important to read between the lines. Case in point; suddenly, Biden is less interested in Assange. It will be spun as 'freedom of the press' or some such bullshit, to be sure. But, I suspect in light of all the other issues facing him, it's been decided it's not worth fighting for now.
The main value of NPR or any other MSM outlet is not as a source of facts, information or even analysis, but as a source of what the Received Wisdom on a given issue is for a given slice of the PMC, what the target audience is expected to pay attention to and how much, and what the target audience may ignore.
Well, that's very dismal!
Perhaps. But "alternative media" censorship isn't being driven by corporate - sociopathic rich assholes.
Yes abd no.
They are promoted as “trusted” news and then disturbed into personalized propaganda streams on “social media” where the subjects of this propaganda falsely think they are in a user-driven world.
I (falsely) think that I drive the world.
This is a very interesting conversation you've started. I wonder if the gradual public tanking of the zionazis will open a window in a few peoples minds...
Yup, but it's always been the Lame Steam Media anyway!
https://liborsoural.substack.com/p/you-wool-of-the-king
There’s a tell when the Netanyahu administration lies. Their lips are moving……..
October 7 was a false flag.
I'd say the October 7th (2023) events were in fact engineered to generate sufficient horror, blind rage, & zealotry amongst the Zionist congregation to begin the extermination of the Palestinian people regardless of the opinions of the rest of the world and its cattle-people. A few israelis died for the team but that didn't matter to the high ups in the Zionist world. The more of the team that died, the merrier the high ups became.
there's a video on Youtube "October 7 Was An Inside Job"I think is the title but I no longer have the link.
If it was on that platform I'm sure it was taken down.
Nope, here it is: Opens with "Israel is a racist genocidal monster" still there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMXllVmTuKQ&rco=1
Yup
It's public information that Biden armed, and obviously, financed Palestine in September of 2023. He also armed the Israeli settlers. It definitely was a false flag. He did what America did to Japan; use them in the false flag at Pearl Harbor. They used our fuel to get there. then, we dropped 2 nukes on them. Read into " Operation Northwoods " from 1962. That's a plan to attack yourself, then blame someone else. think 9/11, Charlie Hebdo, London...et al.
And the IDF knew the attack on Oct. 7 was coming but stood down. There were skirmishes in Gaza, literally, all year in 2023, but they only focused on October 7th. " therr's yer sign " ...
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Netanyahu has been financing and arming Hamas. Go away with your irrelevant gibberish.
Netanyahu has been enabling Hamas since at least 2006. Biden armed and financed both Palestine and Israel. that is public information.
Suggest you stop reading Mainstream Media Hudson.
I don’t consume that trash. Jesus you’re fucking stupid. Like, stupid enough to make me rethink eugenics.
Provide evidence that the event was a false flag. Otherwise, you are just as bad as the fake news media.
Charlie, you need to watch news outside the obtuse CNN/NYTimes bubble blob. A few facts:
1) In the days before the attack the Israeli govt moved a lot of soldiers north to the West Bank, so the bases next to Gaza were undermanned.
2) The vaunted intelligence system and sophisticated network of surveillance hardware was not operating completely. The Israeli Pegasus program can -- and do -- monitor your phone calls and online activity, yet we are to believe the Israelis knew nothing.
3) Oh, yeah, and both Egypt and the US provided multiple warnings to the Israeli govt that there was a likely attack coming together. Those warnings were completely ignored.
4) Tel Aviv is about 45 miles from the attack area, yet it took the military 5 to SEVEN hours to get troops in the area.
5) Over a third of Israelis killed were slaughtered by Israeli forces, firing tank shells into homes and missiles into vehicles fleeing the concert area.
Really, Charlie, abandon corporate media. I say this as a one-time newspaper journalist, having worked in corporate media for 18 years.
I dont watch CNN or MSM. I do listen to polls and listen to data. The Muslim world and Islam need to be reformed. It's disgusting what most of the Muslim world views are. If you sleep among terrorists and you, as a nation of people, view Jews as a nation of people that should be eliminated from this world, then I dont have a lot of sympathy for your cause. Explain the Pew polls to me.
Care to respond to the points I raised above, Charlie?
Would you apply the same standard to the opinions, views and actions of the western world?
Interesting how literally tens of thousands of innocents in Gaza have been getting slaughtered and journalists and aid workers killed for six months and callous silence and indifference from the western world. Then seven white aid workers from the World Kitchen group were systematically hunted down in three attacks in an almost two-mile long Israeli murder operation and SUDDENLY the western world found its heart to speak out against such violence and killing of innocents.
The western world is not as advanced, educated, sophisticated or humane as you like to believe, Charlie.
Just crack open a history book and read up on our history of hate, madness and wanton cruelty of our religious and cultural views and multiple prejudices. Ponder the toll of our recent wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya Ukraine and our long history of other wars going back to Vietnam. Hell, just look at how the US and Europe fund, arm and provide diplomatic cover for the current Israeli genocide.
Our form of corporate for-profit terrorism is just more mechanized and ramped up on a much larger scale. The US death toll in the cause of corporate profit since WW II is in the hundreds of millions.
That is us, Charlie.
Really, we are not such good, enlightened, compassionate people. Our 'civilized' values are not so civil. Just look in the mirror.
Mark Taylor, Thank you for explaining the truth for those who believe "ignorance is bliss". Wilfully ignorant I might add.
Thanks! Always good to stand up to such dangerous dumbness!
Absolutely spot on 👍
Charlie - what ARE the views of the Muslim world? I know what I have been TOLD their views are. I know what their officers of state say they are. Sadly, I do not know any Arabic Muslims to ask them what their views are. I know US based Muslims, and I find them to be kind people. I've known Pakistani Muslims, and I have found them to be kind and generous. So... honestly, I don't know that I can condemn the whole of a group for the loudest and most obnoxious of them. I do not condemn all Jews - or even most Jews - for the Gazan massacre, any more that I condemn most Christians for the actions of the US (being that some insist it is a 'Christian Nation.'
Seriously - what do you know about Muslim world views? Which Muslims? Where are they? What country do they come from? Are they ALL bad people, who hold the exact same views? Or could there be diversity, as there is between Universalist Christians and Fundamentalist Pentecostals?
Study Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris. Research Pew polls that ask thousands of Muslims who practice Islam what their particular views are. The Data is available. They hate Western society. They stone gay men and throw them off buildings for a reason. Why do you think there are honor killings? The religion needs to go through a period of reform. It's just that simple. Their true beliefs their true teachings are disgusting.
Oh, Charlie, I know it is super painful to respond to facts that challenge your cultural cul de sac, but at least TRY in order to have some pretense of legitimacy instead of swimming in a cess pool of cultural smear.
If you want to talk "disgusting" take a look at Gaza ... that is our civilization with all the masks off.
Hitchens and Harris, eh? Check out Chris Hedges, an Arab speaker, former NYTimes chief correspondent in the Middle East and on-the-ground, outside-the-press pool Middle East combat reporter. He was let go by the NYT after speaking out against the start of the Cheney/Bush Iraq war.
Likewise Max Blumenthal (Jewish) and Gabor Mate (Jewish Holocaust survivor) and his son Aaron Mate. They have written books on the subject with Hedges and Blumenthal with long experience on the ground in Gaza and the Middle East.
In other words, Charlie, before embarrassing yourself so publicly, do some research, and try to scrape up a smidgen of compassion.
That wasn't an answer. Do YOU know any Muslims, or are you looking to men who have been widely condemned as Islamaphobic for your information? (Hitchens, as I recall, hates pretty much all theists....)
"Their true beliefs their true teachings are disgusting." - your profile says "Just a good ole fashioned lying dog-faced pony soldier". 🤣🤣🤣
Follow Majid Nawaz
https://youtu.be/hwQhu1A-Ats?si=aL8Cy_v8YK1ClaoK
You obviously don’t know a damn thing about Islam, the prophet Muhammad or Allah. Neither do you know a damn thing about Judaism and the Torah.
Bigotry is fuck you don’t have the ability to critically think.
It sounds like you just like being a dick.
Agree.
If I give a fuck what some vodka addled Russian in the basement somewhere in Saint Petersburg thinks?
Ad hominem bullshit relegates you to the block cannon fodder rolls.
Wake up, Charlie. And, YOU go find the evidence. don't wait for someone else. you have a $1,000 phone, probably in your hand. Google is bought and paid for, owned and operated by DARPA. but even they haven't blocked anyone from finding the info.
Very simple. Who benefits from such action? Certainly not the Palestinians or Hamas.
Trump, Putin and most of all, Netanyahu benefit.
Never mind Mossad is arguably the top intelligence agency in the world and they didn’t see something right under their notices that took thousands of phone calls and hundreds of shipments?
No.
Now you. Provide evidence it wasn’t.
OMG…Russia has entered the chat. Why would Russia benefit from Hamas attacking Israel? That tells me that you are wrong about everything you say.
Russia Russia Russia…geez get new material.
Hudson needs a Valium.
Would agree, I think we have another 'stalker' that takes over the comment section.
You need a brain transplant.
Hey the third, you're a riot! I wonder what the second and the first looked like 😳
Hopefully you didn't produce any fourths. 😱🤡
You think I am excited because you’re expected to engage from the standpoint of an honest broker? We’re done here. You’re a morally bankrupt cretin. Obviously, we should’ve had a lifeguard in your Jean pool generations ago.
Because he is the most staunch ally of Netanyahu. We are just in alliance of convenience. Stupid enough to write blank checks.
How does he benefit? Money, discussion and narrative is pulled away from his crimes against humanity concerning Ukraine. Netanyahu and Putin are a serious access of evil.
there's a video on Youtube "October 7 Was An Inside Job"I think is the title but I no longer have the link. do the google
On one hand, I am with you on this. On the other hand - like 9/11 being an inside job... would you really put it past them?
Netanyahu is the fake news media. Get a grip. “Pegasus” doesn’t look good on a résumé. Bigger crimes against humanity is never good bullet point either.
"Oopsies!"
Of course, the damage is already done.
It's not journalism.
When I was a young girl I wanted to be a journalist, but by the time I was 14 I knew that things had changed, and all I could hope for if I landed a job at a major paper or radio station or tv station was to be a celebrity name, or an errand girl serving a celebrity name. And by the time I was in my 20s I was aware that journalists were no longer beholden to the truth, and wondered if they ever were.
Independent media is the only 'news' I trust and even that had better stand up to my own fact checking. It usually does, depending on the bias of the reporter -- but at least I don't have the expectation that everything is fully vetted and triple checked by an editor. I know, going in, that the bias is there, and chances are I don't get the whole picture. But I can cobble together a more whole picture with independent media than is available on ALL the mainstream media outlets, put together.
The whole world is sad, Caitlin. But I still have hope that things can get better. Just like I believe that war will end someday.
Forgive me for repeating myself:
The main value of any MSM outlet is not as a source of facts, information or even analysis, but as a source of what the Received Wisdom on a given issue is for a given slice of the PMC, what the target audience is expected to pay attention to and how much, and what the target audience may ignore.
I always cringe at the claim that humans are created in the image and likeness of god, immediately provoking me to wonder what consciousness-altering drug cloud the blundering deity was inhaling on the seventh day (or whenever that creation is supposed to have transpired).
But the further claim that the tribes of Israel are the chosen people of god provokes an even more detailed image, revealing a mythological Zeus-like figure, the gigantically powerful liar-deity, looking up from under a bed sheet, pausing from a sexual encounter with numerous nymphs as he casually assures spouse Hera of his faithfulness to their union. That Prevaricator god should be imprinted on every flag and other symbol of the Zionist state.
"I always cringe at the claim that humans are created in the image"
Almost as cringe worthy as believing in some magical, all capable random particle ... that miraculously becomes conscious. People are idiots, especially the ones who really believe they got it all figured out. You find them in every century don't you? The know-it-all morons.
I think it's the desperation gullibility factor. Desperate because they can't either understand or rationalize the chaos they observe, they'll jump, gullibly, at any fictional magic potion that even temporarily assuages their anxiety. Or . . . take a pill for that anxiety, with the potential side-effect of distorting their neurological parameters toward an even broader world of delusions.
Yeah that must be it. Everyone is gullible except those who believe in the magical particle! Who knew?
Get back to me when you've figured out what produces consciousness - because currently not one living fuck knows. And if you think someone does, you're about as deluded as Saint Nick ever was.
Why the fuck must you continually assume an adversarial posture (translation, you forever slip into some tangential ad hominem bullshit). The question is not what I know about the basis of consciousness. I agree: no one knows (and to speculate about it seems the new craze). To me a desert Juniper may be as conscious of its existence as the lizard sheltering in its shade or the bird eating its berries, or myself admiring its longevity. The question is what it is about your approach to the question that requires the track you frequently follow, which often stimulates me to steer clear of responding lest an unproductive back and forth ensue.
Oh - you're steering clear. What a terrible loss for me. If I only were more aware of say, someone like James Hyslop, or Richard Hodgson - I could be more like you - the William James of our time.
I'm telling you that you're a insecure lunatic, who appears to have zero understanding of anything involving genuine complexity, the perfect definition of a universal dilettante, who believes exactly otherwise, that I have no use for time-wasting shitheads like yourself. Anything that might be a loss to you is a gain for the rest of the individuals in the world for whom you often play the role of infectious plague. Have a wonderful role play; you're quite good at what you do. I'll grant you that.
To look at just *one* checkmate-level deflator of the "chosen people" absurdity ...
If the Abrahamic scriptures' claims regarding this had simply popped up simultaneously in (what are the modern nations/cultures of), say, Korea, Norway, and Chile at the same time (c.1000-500 BCE afaik), *then* this could count as actual evidence that something godlike was afoot. But nah, God wasn't capable of doing this one simple thing, or anything else that could actually make sense.
Instead, a magnanimous set of the superior ones evangelized the magical text to the world *themselves* via the "Greatest STORY Ever Told", and it is we who have carried that water for two thousand years, even as a few of us with the switch on upstairs began to realize something was rotten in the Levant. "God gave it to us! Come on, would we *lie* to you?! We're GOD's people, FCS!!" That so many Christians have fallen for this (and *continue* to do so from Thailand to Tanzania) is just so pathetic.
Truly.
Religion is universal compulsive neurosis.
And militant Atheists are the new church priests of today - who shit on everyone else who believes differently from them. Nothing new to see here, just a new class of know-it-all assholes, who have kindly figured out why we're here - for all the rest of us.
The fuck are you talking about? Are you laying grounds for “not fit for trial in home defense?
Talking about know-it-all assholes. A dime a dozen ...
Eat peanuts out of my shit sweetheart. Then, you can fuck off. All the way off. And when you get there, you can fuck off some more, Babooshka. Lay off the vodka.
A dime a dozen ...
Thanks Dad!
And my point is the two are the same cheeks of the same backside.
And I'll be more clear here: Atheism is a BELIEF system. It is a metaphysical belief system based on what Atheists believe to be true about reality and about themselves. Militant Atheists believe there is NO EVIDENCE for whatever the fuck they define divinity as - which usually is a kindergarten caricature of spirituality.
You talk about "INDOCTRINATION" - but you don't apply your same jaundiced appellation to Skeptic atheists do you? And then you want to lecture me here about "politeness" and how vast the difference is between the two philosophical points. Excuse me - but your anti-religious views stink to high heaven and your reasoning is that of a school boy.
"vast difference" in these concepts.
Metaphysics is a category of philosophy, of which theism and atheism belong. Many atheists like to think science proves their atheism - which is far from the case. Just as many theists believe the existence of Jesus proves their theism - which is also far from the case.
The difference between either of the groups, is not as vast as you might think.
the majority of western media is owned by Jews. what do you expect? the u.s. congress is bought and paid for by the israel lobby. what do you expect?
We are in a war for freedom of speech and challenging the lies of the MSM. We can see now the damage it has done after decades of lies, duplicity, and propaganda to our societies.
Each of us can play a role by spreading the truth making it harder and harder for the MSM to lie to us.
There is a global shift to many global international platforms where journalists of real integrity are speaking out and this is the wave of the future. Many of these are on Substack. Aaron Mate, Ben Norton, and Seymour Hersh are worthy examples. Millions of us are switching over to The Duran, Redacted, George Galloway, and others, now essential outlets for knowing the truth.
Sharing information has never been more important.
In spite of the monolithic power and resources of the MSM independents the world over are making a huge difference.
There is a tipping pointing. We must push the MSM into a corner where it can no longer lie to us.
I think once the boomers die the corporate media will die too because no one will watch it. They made tons of money during Trump, but once he was gone they lost lots of revenue…that is till they started covering him again. If he wins this will be their last big show.
A very dangerous assumption. The corporate media will only die when there is a major redistribution of wealth, power, and more enlightened governance. These changes will be generational.
I am appalled at Glenn Beck, he sits there yapping to probably millions of listeners and viewers about how he stands with Israel. Now that they're murdering everyone in Gaza Ive really paid attention to what he says, Ive noticed he never mentioned the situation with Candace Owens and DW, he used to praise her, he now says he wants to become an Israeli citizen. I know hes a historian so why is he doing these things, he has to know the truth because Im no journalist or historian and I know the truth. Ive wondered if hes being threatened by the government over there, if he says anything they'll destroy him. I really want to believe that but then on the other hand Im wondering why hes being so gutless not to tell the truth. Candace said something in one of her shows, she said every single podcaster is told they have to support Israel or else, she's a prime example of what "or else" means.
The media serves Israel first. As does the US government. It's disgusting.
US empire in rapid descent into Totalitarianism - run by corporations and Wallstreet. Americans vote in an Electoral scam, and their so-called Representatives in congress only Represent the obscenely rich and their lobbyist tools. The corruption, the depraved wealth inequality, and the sadism of American geopoliticals - from a CIA managed murderous rampage in Moscow, to the still ongoing sadistic genocide in Gaza - is what America has now become - the values of a violent, psychotic child. The Joffrey Baratheon of the world.
Well said Jamenta.
This is part of the media strategy to claim that they've just "discovered" the genocide. It lets them off the hook for all their prior propaganda and supports the merging narrative of "Biden and US as humanitarians".
Media reveals are carefully orchestrated and coordinated with our governments. The big media corporations weave a fabric of reality with cherry picked factoids that lead us on the way to submission and delusion. A wicked form of story telling.
IMO, this means Biden Inc. has given CNN new orders. I also think, like many many others, that Netanyahu is going to be the scapegoat, but things will not get any better for the Palestinians. Just a feeling.
Also, I think that the government and media are finally acknowledging that alternative media, for the moment, spreads the truth and is not easily controlled. So might as well roll with it, even if temporarily.
Your feelings are very likely correct. I see this as part of the pivot to "we just discovered there was a genocide going on".
The emerging storyline supports the "Biden and US are humanitarian heroes" as well as provides an excuse for all their prior propaganda false coverage. Same thing happening in Ukraine as Russian victory becomes impossible to deny.
I don't think anyone in the West is going to allow a Russian victory which means we are screwed.
They will be forced to accept it and on Russia's terms with significant land concessions by Ukraine.
US already is pulling an Afghanistan and Vietnam walk away.
Europe doesn't have the stones or capacity to fight a ground war and they know Russian will use nukes if they have to. Game over.
I hope someone muzzles Macron and Cameron. They are in the same cesspool as Zelensky, hoping to start a huge war. I saw an interview with some French guy who said Russia is terrified of France. Good grief. The only terrifying thing, to me, is how far any of them will go to make things worse, like bombing Moscow. Which the French guy said France could do in a few minutes - bomb Moscow and Saint Peterburg. Logic does not apply anymore, it seems, we just have psychopathic egotistical hands on the wheel now.
I agree totally, European politicians are in a hysterical war frenzy - people are fully propagandized so my hopes are gone! As the economy is tanking they follow the US model for the MIC (see f.i. Rheinmetall stock) and the Bankers have $signs in their eyes for the German plans to rebuild Ukraine (THESE ABSOLUTE MORONS!)
They will get their wish.
WWIII is coming, whether we like it or not.
The West has already sunk so muchinto Ukraine, both in terms of materele and support, and having repeatedly called for a Ukrainian victory as the only acceptable outcome, that a Russian victory, or in fact any other outcome, will result in a grave loss of status for the West.
This is one of many instances where Russian miscalculated. The West have basically painted themselves into a corner where they have no choice but to escalate, and the sociopaths ruling the West would without hesitation kill us all rather than lose their status.
agree.
The Western MSM is just one tentacle of the Zionist Entity ...
Is there a possibility for “fact checking” and retroactively remove CNN from social media? Their fake news was an obvious disinformation…
Who would do the fact checking? I would just settle for an algorithm that promotes all news sources equally - not give a huge advantage to corporate media.
For obvious and intentional lie — there must be some repercussion - don’t you think so?
We have all watched on TV the systematic gunning of starving civilians….
No one can any longer denny that Israel is now a Nazi state that, like Nazi-dominated government of Ukraine, simply must be destroyed.
Who writes the code for that algorithm? "news source" Alex Jones on an equal footing with The NY Times?
Be careful what you ask for.
There IS a word for it and that’s called “colonialism”.
This is not a solitary event, this food mass murder. And neither even is the subjugation of the Palestinians.
The so-called western world has several centuries track record of subjugating people, stealing the land, labour and national wealth - and savagely punishing entire peoples by massacres when they rebel. Almost inevitably….those colonial mass murder events have been the subject of extensive fact suppression, spin, and at a last resort victim blaming.
This is what colonialism is. And it never went away. The mere idea that a bunch of Europeans can point to a spot of land, wipe out the locals, import a bunch of white people and act like nothing is PERVERSE about that, well that tells you everything: we are supposed to treat colonialism as normal and we are expected to assert the right of colonialists to….”defend themselves” from rebels among the dispossessed…by any means necessary.
That BTW is basically what Germany argued in court yesterday at the ICJ:
https://theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/09/israel-security-at-heart-of-german-foreign-policy-due-to-holocaust-icj-hears
Germany was in effect asserting that, having perpetuated genocide on European Jews….it has subsequently has a DUTY to ensure that the colony “Israel”, which it and other Europeans created to export European Jews to (unsaid part was: by dispossession of the Palestinians) is “secure”.
So there you have it: it’s declared openly in court. The eurocokonials assert their duty to perpetrate and perpetuate colonialism. Don’t pretend you don’t know what this is. Or why.
It's an 'election' year in the US. No wannabe politician would dare to go against Israel propaganda..However the increasingly repugnant media occasionally will hint at truth in an attempt to win back trust and thus ratings. Never forget that media is licenced and exists at the behest of the fascist corporate cartel we call government. Media is governments greatest weapon, short of outright force against the people. The lies are headlines, the retractions, and truth are often backpage.