Listen to a reading of this article: If you say you oppose Russia because you're an anti-imperialist but you don't oppose the US empire for its role in starting and perpetuating this war, then you're a liar. You don't oppose Russia because you're an anti-imperialist, you oppose Russia because you're an imperialist.
Zelensky was given a gold plated trophy. Is that giving him an Oscar?
Zelensky isn't now the best actor 2005 or whatever horseshit it says on the base of Sean Penn's statue.
Zelensky won't now be hit up by Hollywood casting agents and offered millions to play cynical blue collar drifters in need of redemption.
Zelensky wasn't handed a percentage of Sean Penn's $50M income since his academy award win in 2009.
Zelensky won't be receiving a dime from Sean Penn's future income.
Zelensky got no stake in any of Sean Penn's production companies.
Zelensky won't be able to parlay the Academy Award trophy into a foreign passport or anonymity or a get out of war crimes tribunal free.
Zelensky got a new gold plated paperweight for the Ukrainian President's office.
Sean Penn's insane vanity would be risible if his infantile pratfalling wasn't playing out against a backdrop of arbitrary death, immense human suffering, and possible nuclear annihilation.
People who are against Russia in this Ukraine/US/ EU conflict are either totally ignorant of the situation, or hopelessly brainwashed. They are working against their own best interests as well, more ignorance compounded by stupidity, and are against the only side with a rational and just position, as pitiful and regrettable as is the plight of all Ukrainians, at the hands of EU/US machinations. And this brainwashed/ignorant element are pitted against a superpower, to boot, that is determined not to suffer the terrible harm and losses unjustly inflicted on it during WW II. There are no salient facts or conclusions other than these.
the irony is, ms D, that the majority of ukies speak russian, not ukrainian...even back in 1968!...paid a visit to Kiev & all you heard was russian...so this cultural plight is bollocks, IMHO, created for the benefit of gullible westerners...so says this ukie who was forced to spend 10yrs attending ukr.school on saturdays.
Tx,F2...now, another eg., c.2022, this ol'mechanic is at a Korean supermarket picking up an order, 5 korean lads come out to help load the truck, mention to them all the russ vs ukr news is bs ...& one of the k.guys starts chatting Flawlessly in Russian !, switching to ukr in midsentence, saying,' Yup, you know, when i visit my ukrainian pals at their family homes, all the kids&parents converse in russian'...you can't make this up...seems he took the long way round --korea,ukr, brazil & ended up here in Canuckistan.go figure...cheers
That's very true. Being part of the Russian state for so long made the language predominantly Russian and except for one disgraceful burst of extreme Russian cruelty under Stalin, in 1932 and 1933, it was a workable relationship, if one-sided. The "Holodomor" in 1932-33, during which Stalin starved to death millions of Ukrainians, was a period in which all of Ukraine's food was sent to Russia. More deaths than the Jewish flag-waver Holocaust but The Ukraine just got on with life and didn't use this period as their dining out motivation as with the Jews in Europe, and now in the US as their favourite fundraiser, just to support their 50 years of crimes in Palestine.
In those days, Ukrainians were the wrong nationality for all those sort of deceptive games. No movies made of that inhumane crime with Hollywood’s Jewish management. Different now, of course, with the US sponsorship in the proxy war, weapons on demand from all over the US-controlled world and a part time comedian as their President.
This period was also one of the reasons for the beginning in what was soon to become Germany's invasion of Europe, and possibly the reason for the high number of Nazis in present day Ukraine, relationships and philosophies today that would have commenced back in WWII when the Germans used Ukrainian soldiers, often willingly, for their benefit.
All history now, of course. A long time ago.
But now we see Germany raising it head as an aggressor as before, not just with their tank gift to Zelenskyy but also in the comments by their leaders as well. Decidedly arrogant and aggressive.
As well, for those who do not follow the US dalliances in the Asian Pacific geography, US influence has now convinced Japan to re-arm (with billions of dollars there for the US militarists in weapons sales), so we will now see a re-emergence of that country as a military force, naturally under the control of the US, as with NATO.
So watch out, Europe, watch out, China. History has a habit of repeating itself and when driven by the world's #1 criminal, the USA, lots of weapons are on order already to fight all the US / Israel/ UK / battles. Here we go....QUAD, AUKUS, ANZUS, NATO, with more to come.
"The "Holodomor" in 1932-33, during which Stalin starved to death millions of Ukrainians, was a period in which all of Ukraine's food was sent to Russia." - any other area in the then USSR suffering famine at the same time and what was their reason?
Having blown up the pipeline supplying cheap Russian gas…and now selling far more LNG expensive gas to Europe supplied by a U.S. company Conoco Philiips….and meanwhile US politicans and state governments are now touring Europe offering European companies tax subsidies to move their factories and production to the U.S. !
It’s not clear why European governments meanwhile….are sending tanks and money to Ukraine perpetuate the war that’s undermining their own economy!
There is only one answer that makes any sense: the US economy and middle class are so debilitated they must conjure up an even field where everyone is suffering -"because of Russia". Fascism has taken hold: there are many signs, but did you hear what the deputy prime minister of Canada had to say about the the US middle class at the WEF?: they make ten times the wages of that of the middle class in emerging countries , but don't work 10X as hard.
The implied injustice of this is "true" she said, but a social and political hot potato.
It's at the point where fascists can make public statements that would have been considered only a short while ago, outrageous, but are now only "common sense".
Of course, there is no middle class in the countries she referred to: only the very poor and the very rich. That's what she wants for the US, and it would be even worse in Canada and Europe - and no one seems disturbed. Think about the implications of that for a second.
That's a fact, and it's not lost on Europeans. That's why the German defence minister has to remind Germans and Europeans that the enemy is Russia, a hard sell if you are reality-prone, because the natives are starting to figure it out and may become less supportive of European states that support the US narrative. Hungary's Victor Orban saw the picture early on, and that's why he's called a fascist - by the actual fascists. Could it be any more ironic?
They use this trick all the time - calling others what they themselves are to be preemptive. That also applies to actions - accuse others of what you would do, or about to do.
As to the ordinary folks in Europe - yes, some know and others do not. As of this moment most do not, it seems like, as over there they would hit the streets much more readily than in the US. Though it might be heading in that direction.
I can't find much evidence of serious protests, and that's
hard to understand. You don't have to be that smart to see quite plainly what's going on. But some sort of extortion seems to rule. Maybe they're afraid of losing everything, and hope the fable about a Ukraine victory and endless cheap resources in a defeated Russia will be the outcome. Maybe it's ethnic hatred and envy: playing Slavs against Slavs. It may not end well.
And that's little wonder as last year was the first one when it didn't abstain but voted against the UN resolution on "Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance":
I won't go into details but I do have some acquaintances which I can no longer call friends among Germans who you can call intellectuals. These are from the former West Germany.
In their case it's pure racism. As was told me, verbatim - "I do not care about people east of Vienna". And that's well before 2014. We also discussed Nazism in Germany and they didn't deny it was present.
This is not the place for more details. I can only say I'm talking from personal experience while being acutely interested in trying to understand how things could be that way during my visits to Germany.
If someone is brainwashed and ignorant, you are. That some educated and intelligent person can support Putin and his aggression against an independent country where atrocities will be committed, mass killing of civilians and destruction of cities, all of which will bring war and that is why the one who starts it is a war criminal, and that against the Ukrainians, the people closest to the Russians , completely incomprehensible to me.
Of course, in order to do that, Putin declared the entire nation to be Nazis.
And all this after almost a year of mass crimes, mass destruction, tens of thousands of civilians killed and over a hundred thousand soldiers killed on both sides, because of the idiotic ideas of one criminal, Putin.
"The war with Ukraine will be the most senseless of all the wars in our history. Because we can never fight with Ukrainians. Though Russians may think Ukrainians’ choices are wrong, may think they are ungrateful and cruel and their rulers irresponsible, we cannot fight them, even if they are, in our view, to blame for everything. Because they are Ukrainians – if we are not able to find a common language with them, then we are not able to be friends with anyone. We will be alone against the whole world, and our defeat will be heavy."
Here is something to read from someone who, according to you, is completely ignorant of the situation.
Yes, everyone in Ukraine knows that the war began in 2014 with the Russian annexation of Crimea and that the total war against Ukraine began on February 24, 2022 to replace the Ukrainian government.
I think you meant to say the war started in 2014, after the US planned and funded coup installed nazi nationalists in power and the Ukrainian nazi dominated military began the civil war on the eastern ethic Russia regions.
It seems they've put you on Caitlin's forum full time now.
"Yes, everyone in Ukraine knows ..." - are you in Ukraine? Are they also telling you that Donbass people had been shelling themselves all those years? If they are, compliment them they finally caught up and decided it was good to start shelling themselves too, as it must be feeling good.
it is waste of time to discuss anything with Russian bots . Instead trying to be funny or clever try to read those articles from Ukrainian socialists. Some of them are from Donbass and pretty informed what had happened in their country or in their region.
"The Kyiv Independent" is a propaganda outlet that was set up by Canadians and probably more than a few CIA/NED henchmen. I wouldn't use them as a source in any serious research article.
That is obvious to me. As most of the commentators on this site are just repeating Putin propaganda points I gave them some Ukrainian propaganda for the change. They should be informed what both sides are saying.
I am trying to do a serious research to be properly informed in complex situation in Ukraine and Russia.
As a leftist, I mostly rely on leftist sources. As the left is unfortunately quite divided in its view of this war in Ukraine, especially in the west, and I think I am quite informed about it because I have been following that left for many years, nevertheless I adhere to certain principles and many on the left, including some of whom the most followed totally disappointed me.
As Greg Yudin, who recently left Russia for understandable reasons, said,
"What I find really embarrassing about parts (!) of the Western left is the inability to listen to the left from Ukraine, Russia, Poland, where there is no disagreement on this war. I thought international solidarity is a strong side of the left."
Greg is not socialist but is on the left, and I think he is serious researcher.
I am reading analyses mostly from some socialists from Ukraine or Russia, They do not agree about everything.
have a good analyses. I am flowing some authors that I found interesting and serious and it is possible to find their articles at various sites . Sometimes those sites are not leftist one or could be dubious reputation as .opendemocracy.net, but the name of the authors are important to me because I know their reputation and I have read them before.
I will mention to you just a few names as Volodymyr Artiukh, Ilya Matveev, Ilya Budraitskis,
Paul Jay at theanalysis.news has various guests and i do not agree with many of them but you learn different opinions and his view is close to mine, not everything,
To add at the end, I am from the former Yugoslavia, and I survived the events from 91 to 95 when, under Milosevic, aggression was carried out against Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina under similar motives that are now used by Putin. In addition to the obvious differences, because Russia is a nuclear power, there are many similarities, such as helping the Serbian minority to protect itself, the creation of Serbian states in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina with the aim of joining Serbia, Serbian Krajina and the Republika Srpska, to denying the nationality of Bosniaks and Croats. from Serbian nationalists, and especially in the case of Bosnia, as it is all Serbian land and they are all Serbs, converts, and we have the Serbian world, Serbian lands, all Serbs in one country analogous to Putin's Russian world.
I find your writing laudable. Against all odds, you work tirelessly to rouse people to get off their bottoms and protest the drive to world war in the (probably forlorn) hope that they can be motivated to save their lives and livelihoods from the certain destruction such a war would mean. My belief is that people won’t heed your call. They sense that the power elites who control our countries have sealed off what small chance popular opposition to such a war might have of succeeding. Our fates would be that of the Canadian truckers or worse: confiscation of our assets, loss of our jobs, beatings, jail, and worse, all to no avail. My belief is that our fates are actually in the hands of Putin, Xi, Modi, and others whose power to confute our rulers is both real and more intelligently and patiently wielded than our rulers wield theirs. Their goal is to let the clock run out on our rulers’ ability to precipitate violence in their lands, until the rotten foundations of our rulers’ power begin to finally give way. Let’s hope their wisdom prevails. In the meantime we should understand that Ukraine is only a small part of this larger, currently mostly economic struggle to force the western oligarchs to yield their hegemony and inaugurate a more multipolar world order. The Russians will settle Ukraine’s fate as and when it best suits their interests, as well as China’s interests and the interests of other major non-Western powers.
The State would not crush a street protest movement composed of middle class liberals like they did to Occupy, BLM, and the Canadian Truckers (and a long history of brutal suppression and murder of IWW, labor, anti-war, civil rights, farmworkers, et al protesters).
They learned that lesson in Chicago '68 and Kent State killings.
That's one reason why the cowardly failure of the liberal class to respond is so disastrous. Chris Hedges' book "Death of the Liberal Class" get that story told.
Anyone who thinks a Chinese dystopian social credit system, or a Russian dystopian social credit system is preferable over Bill Gates' or Elon Musk's dystopian social credit system with chips and all is nothing more than a hopium addict.
"That is not what Midge wrote, ....." No, it's what I wrote.
"Hope has nothing to do with addiction." The hopium thing is a reference to the "YES, WE CAN!", hope and change crowd that actually believed things would change when Dumbo won in 2008, and when Ron Paul ran in 12 and 16, and who voted for anyone of "the squad" not to mention Tulsy Gabbard and the orange clown.
Anyone who believes the existing system can be changed, or even changed from within, is what I call a hopium addict. The American political system is absolutely FUBAR. It needs to be disassembled and rebuilt so that it works for the US and its people. The US has to stop being Israel's punkass bitch.
As long as the majority of Americans are hopium addicts nothing will change.
Thank you Ms Caitlin, as always! As you have a big audience (and are attacked round the clock on Twitter), I wanted to point out a really scary movie for people that find Nuclear War cool or winnable or whatever, it is old 'The Day After' (Jason Robards), it is on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyy9n8r16hs
and made me 'see the light' when I was about 25 (I am 66 now). Probably worth a try? Thank you!
It doesn't end with celebrities, although they surely like being celebrities and want to keep liking their role as celebrities, not cast into Outer Darkness like those who didn't wave the flag for the War On Iraq.
Just wrote to one of my senators (unfortunately, Tom Cotton) and asked if he wanted his family to die in a nuclear war caused by this attempt to weaken Russia. Can't wait to see his response.
My disappointment in the ability of the general public to understand what is happening around the world always was pretty significant. That disappointment magnified during the covid, when nearly everyone wandered around with a useless mask and stood at least 6 feet from each other. At that point I thought the human race was doomed to suffer whatever calamities the uber-wealthy decided to foist on them.
But, I didn't think then, but I understand now, that the same ideological bent that caused people to take to the streets in opposition to the war in Vietnam no longer exists in this country, replaced, through incessant propaganda, with a warmongering mentality that defies understanding. During Vietnam, much of the angst against the war stemmed from the draft; young men simply did not want to be forced into service that was killing thousands of their peers. Today, young people and their families are not directly affected by the war in Ukraine, so there is not that sense of urgency that we saw during the Vietnam war. That their wealth and their potential future are at dire risk because of the moronic neocons in DC waging a war for continued hegemony is an idea that either flies over their heads or triggers no real concern, unlike the prices of eggs and marijuana. I don't think there is a formula that will awaken these people; they won't see the nuclear blast coming, anyway.
In the west, and in USA especially, the public is brainwashed by the most powerful and ubiquitous propaganda apparatus the world’s ever seen. It’s the duty of all of us to expose this.
You’ve never heard of the Yuppies? That tech wielding generation who scoffed at civil rights, equal rights, all things 60’s, chanted USA, USA outside their frat houses, thought all workers were slugs and all corporations were god? I could go on but I’ll get traumatized—again. Just watching it the 1st time was quite enuf. Long gasp Raygun.
Yeah, yuppies. Invariably fifteen years earlier they were called hippies. Interestingly the hippie movement was a COINTELPRO creation, and Frank Zappa, who always said he hated that movement, was one of its creators. Go figure.
"We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be against the (Viet Nam) war, so we gave the blacks heroin, and we gave the white kids marijuana, and lots of it. Then we came down hard on both."
- Lyman Lemnitzer -
COINTELPRO was put together to fight the anti war movement by discrediting it. The Woodstock Music and Arts Fair was COINTELPRO's biggest operation. There is enough on the www on COINTELPRO without me having to sit here and convince you of its existence.
Ever hear of Air America? It was the Viet Nam era's equivalent of what went on in Mena, Arkansas when Bill Clinton was governor. They flew tons of heroin and canabis from SE Asia every week.
I, too, think the US is a drug dealer. I think it was more of a response to protests and hippies than a cause. Hippies were always a minority. The movement was co-opted by the state and commercialized into sex, drugs and rock-'n'-roll. The other aspects like peace and community and communication and equality were marginalized. Some hippies became yuppies but not all.
Work is like 2 weeks behind on processing my paperwork for short term disability, I just spent most of the money I have left one groceries, and I just got a past due notice for my electric bill. I don’t really care about Russia right now honestly <3 good read tho
I pretty much agree with everything Caitlin says in this article, and that Tucker Carlson says on his broadcasts, about the Ukraine War. Well done, Caitlin!
I do have one question. While I am willing to believe that our oligarchs often elevate many celebrities to the top, just 20 years ago, all of these celebrities (like Sean Penn) were against the U.S.'s war against Iraq. And 98% of them were Democrats. But now, they are all supporting the continuation of this war, which could lead to atomic death for all.
What changed these celebrities minds away from peace, and toward war?
Not so long ago, I would have dismissed that as paranoia, but the chummy relationship between the DoD and the CIA on the one hand and Hollywood studios on the other is well-documented.
Then, throwing in Epstein's apparent activities, and it doesn't sound so far-fetched.
Whitney Webb in her "One Nation under Blackmail" produced such an avalanche of names of all kinds and relationships that nothing is out of the question.
Good points. I guess I wasn't thinking about "One Nation Under Blackmail," but Whitney Webb has done a great job of showing how easy it must be to go to a target and say: "Cooperate, or we will kill you." If the target has principles, they just threaten his children instead, and at that point, most people cave in. // We have to let more people know what is going on if we want a fighting chance.
When Bill Clinton promised oil and bank lobbyists that they can trust Democrats, the jig was up. The DP went from rhetorically supporting working people, supporting labor unions and supporting justice for those on the lowest rung on the social ladder, to opening doors for manufacturing jobs to go abroad permanently, abandoning the workers and getting rich in the process. It was bound to happen, because the role of money was never opposed by ANY legislators or courts, but the chameleon Clinton made the historic right turn, and democracy went down for the count.
I honestly don't know. My best guess is: in the 1980s, the Dems were the party of peace because they were out of power, and Reagan was figuring out how to end the Cold War. For all those who hate Reagan, he and Gorbachev united, and signed the INF Treaty.
In the 1990s, Clinton bombed a bunch of places, but didn't want to go to war anywhere, because the public would have hated it. After 50 years of Cold War, we just wanted to have peace for a change.
Then 2001 happened, and both parties jumped on the war bandwagon. However, W got a 93% approval rating at one point, and so the Democrats eventually had to go against him. Whatever position he took, they took the opposite. Sort of.
Then we got Obama, who promised peace, and said Iraq was a mistake. Except he was at war with someone literally every day for 8 years, which set a record for U.S. presidents. Mr. Peace drone striked everyone.
Trump signed 5 peace treaties with Middle Eastern countries. No one noticed.
Now that we have Biden, it the Democrats like war. They liked it when Bush was popular from 2001 to 2003, too. Hillary voted for Iraq, for example.
I think they only were anti-war because of Reagan, and later, Bush. But in their hearts, Democrats are all about control, so killing civilians makes them happy.
They were also against censorship in the 1980s--they were always talking about that. It turns out that when you're unpopular like they were in the 1980s, they worried the other side would shut them down, which the other side never did. In psychology, that's called projection. We know they were projecting because as soon as their friends owned Facebook and Twitter, they censored the hell out of thousands of people.
So, apparently, all of this talk about anti-war and anti-censorship was always bullshit until they could get in power, and then do to everyone else what they said was bad. This is like someone saying, "I'm against wife-beating!" That is, until the sociopath gets his chance.
Fear is a big element... The propaganda of Russiagate... The propaganda of Covid... The demonization of Putin and T
There have always been backroom dealings within and between party bosses. Presidents have been controlled through threats when they disagreed with the MIC which Eisenhower warned about in the fifties.
I sense some partisanship in your comment. Both parties are corporations. Please do not confuse party leadership with the rank and file partisans. The partisans are propagandized.
Carol, I'm pretty conservative in what I want, but I like only about 1 to 5% of the politicians. What I want is: cheap fuel for everyone, cheap natural food, an environmentalist movement that is pro-human, etc. I am against the whole "eat the bugs, live in the pod, make fuel 10x expensive, and watch people die of starvation as they shiver in the dark." And I will work with anyone of any political persuasion if they want: a) an end to lies and propaganda; and b) an end to these potentially nuclear wars.
I think Biden is stone cold evil. I've liked about two American presidents in the last 48 years. I liked Gorbachev and Margaret Thatcher, too.
My beliefs are unimportant, except for the part where I am 100% anti-censorship, and 100% pro-human.
I liked everything in your comment, but when you said you liked Margaret Thatcher I couldn't disagree more. As far as her use of Milton Friedman's playbook on creative destruction, the process she started in the UK can only be surpassed by the German Luftwaffe.
Edit: No, actually.... The damage caused by the Luftwaffe was repaired by the time the Beatles sang "Love Me Do". What Margaret Thatcher did to the United Kingdom they have not yet recovered from. That's forty years, and counting.
I used to think that the rank and file of the Damn Dems were a bunch of nice guys, but my experience in the last 5 years has disabused me of such notions. Mostly Dems now are weenies, flummoxed by what the “party leadership” did to the party, still think it’s all T-rump’s fault, still watch Rachel (“occasionally”) or read the New York Times (“mostly the book section”), have never heard of “Listen Liberal”, Julian Assange, Aaron Matte or Max Blumenthal, don’t give two shits about the treatment of the people at the border, or of incarcerated people (much less that Killery made a fortune on her investments in prisons) or that labor is fukked over at every turn. They do care a little bit about black people getting killed in the streets by the cops, but only because they fear a race riot and they might have their easy middle class life interfered with by people seeking justice. No, the Damn Dems suck. It’s only the Radicals that carry any promise for a better future. And they always do.
"Fear is a big element... The propaganda of Russiagate... The propaganda of Covid... The demonization of Putin and T"
In every NATO country in general, and in the US in particular, the left/right paradigm is as fake as a three dollar bill. I live in the "us and them" paradigm. Us being the red pills and blue pills, and them being the Matrix.
I've mentioned a couple of times that I witnessed with my own eyes two C-130 transport planes fly towards Poland in the morning, and returning in the evening. This went on for five days in mid January a year ago.
I made an exception that week and watched the evening news to hear what they would say about these planes. Their reporting that week on all things Covid 19 was remarkable. It was as if they couldn't get it wrapped up fast enough. "Nothing more to see here, folks. Move right along."
On Friday that week, the fifth day of these flights they spent six or seven minutes talking about the evil man in Belarus. Then they gave equal time to the psychopath in the Kremlin (yes, they actually called him that here). Then came what I had waited for for five days: "The movement of large amounts of military equipment is NOT related to a military exercise". Then, without pause came the fluff piece at the end of the broadcast.
Retrospectively it is easy to say they were setting the stage for what happened on 2/24. Covid 19 hasn't been mentioned on the news since. I didn't connect the dots a year ago, but I am probably one of very very few people in Norway that actually has connected these dots.
They stopped talking Covid when their narrative began to crumble and began the war diversion. Both "pandemics" and wars not only make them money but are also used to control.
Absolutely right. This iteration of population control in America, started with 9/11 and dick. Cheney, I mean. Those neocons perfected the manipulation of the media, got the war and oil they wanted and then slunk off to Wyoming and Texass. The neolibs—who are feckless beyond compare—simply adopted the PNAC playbook and thus—COVID! Germ warfare, with the willing compliance of a 9/11 terrified populace in its own enfeebling. ( I see Wuhan isn’t getting any more NIH money, so their work here must be done! 🤗). All of this combined with the sucksess of Russiagate, our quivering population dare not stick its head above the parapet to see is really happening in Ukraine. Which is why I celebrate Caitlyn soooooo much! Thank you to our brave truthteller.
The Covid narrative hasn't crumbled here. It's just been tucked away in a closet for safe keeping. The powers that shouldn't be expect to win the war in Ukraine, and that's when said narrative gets pulled back out. As some WEF wize-ass said seven or eight years ago: "The 2020's will be the vaccination decade.", and we're only in the fourth year.
I think more and more people are connecting the dots, that’s why Caitlyn has such a good audience, that’s why the propagandists make such fun of “woke”, that’s why McCarthy is trying to unseat Omar, that’s why the coffee shops are unionizing. Its true that few over 50 have any idea what’s going on, but these are the Yuppies that stuck their heads up the Corporate Ass and now wonder why everything in their life is dark and smelly. But their children are seeing the reality of neoliberal thought and action and are quietly dismantling it. And don’t count American women out. They are so upset by the abortion ruling that I think we may have some rolling thunder here. Maybe not soon and maybe not spectacularly, but it’s coming.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for something positive to happen any time soon. It's going to get a lot worse before any improvement will be realized. Unfortunately.
I totally agree. But in a way, it has to get worse. Nothing changes until a person or society hits bottom with its behavior. Unfortunately, the middle class is incredibly insulated from the consequences of it’s behavior. And while other classes suffer from middle class thinking, assumptions and actions, the bourgeoisie goes blithely on taking all privileges and owning up to no obligations. This is changing rapidly, but not obviously. So no, I wouldn’t hold my breath, but yes, the patriarchy is quietly crumbling as is the underpinnings of capitalism and militarism. The sad part is that the so called left has NO idea what to put in it’s place, so environmental children and pissed off women are going to have to create a new paradigm while men resist and kavetch and sabotage to loss of their power. It’ll take time but it is happening everywhere. It’s just not real organized.
"People whose opinions are grounded in facts and logic don't need to resort to accusing those who disagree with them of being secret agents working for foreign governments."
Bingo! All the mindless NAFO "fellas" and their rude comments are a strong example of this fact. When you've got no information to refute another person's statement, you act like an eight-year-old and post potty humor memes.
How little they realize. One nuke begets a response. That is two. They are battlefield nukes. Strategic. A couple of days later. Another one, then two more. No conventional combat systems are left. The fallout is kept quiet by the media.
Move on to high altitude taking out electronics. Comms go down.
Then the power is out. Then they just start lobbing these things around the planet because there is no turning back and we are fighting fires or burning in them.
Maybe they wake up at 4. I doubt it.
While stationed at NORAD the scenario and military exercises always ended with the world a big nuclear wasteland.
I have a suggested topic for you, Caitlin: look into the psychology of fear, and how governments use it to manipulate the population. Russia, China, covid, the "unvaccinated," racial groups, white supremacy, etc. The government is great at lying to us, and dropping our I.Q.'s by 40 points with their endless fake crises.
The irony of Zelensky being given an Oscar for his performance is just too perfect.
It shows how scripted this whole thing is. An actor giving another actor his Oscar. Can they say any louder it's all one big act?
I thought the same thing. Surely that meat puppet Penn can’t be being ironic? Can he?
Zelensky was given a gold plated trophy. Is that giving him an Oscar?
Zelensky isn't now the best actor 2005 or whatever horseshit it says on the base of Sean Penn's statue.
Zelensky won't now be hit up by Hollywood casting agents and offered millions to play cynical blue collar drifters in need of redemption.
Zelensky wasn't handed a percentage of Sean Penn's $50M income since his academy award win in 2009.
Zelensky won't be receiving a dime from Sean Penn's future income.
Zelensky got no stake in any of Sean Penn's production companies.
Zelensky won't be able to parlay the Academy Award trophy into a foreign passport or anonymity or a get out of war crimes tribunal free.
Zelensky got a new gold plated paperweight for the Ukrainian President's office.
Sean Penn's insane vanity would be risible if his infantile pratfalling wasn't playing out against a backdrop of arbitrary death, immense human suffering, and possible nuclear annihilation.
Oh but he wasnt. He got to hold an Oscar given to him by another lick spit
Mr. Z. would never win an Oscar any other way, would he?
That's an lol.
People who are against Russia in this Ukraine/US/ EU conflict are either totally ignorant of the situation, or hopelessly brainwashed. They are working against their own best interests as well, more ignorance compounded by stupidity, and are against the only side with a rational and just position, as pitiful and regrettable as is the plight of all Ukrainians, at the hands of EU/US machinations. And this brainwashed/ignorant element are pitted against a superpower, to boot, that is determined not to suffer the terrible harm and losses unjustly inflicted on it during WW II. There are no salient facts or conclusions other than these.
the irony is, ms D, that the majority of ukies speak russian, not ukrainian...even back in 1968!...paid a visit to Kiev & all you heard was russian...so this cultural plight is bollocks, IMHO, created for the benefit of gullible westerners...so says this ukie who was forced to spend 10yrs attending ukr.school on saturdays.
Hell, even now most of the chit chat on Ukrainian twitter or telegram is in Russian.
Tx,F2...now, another eg., c.2022, this ol'mechanic is at a Korean supermarket picking up an order, 5 korean lads come out to help load the truck, mention to them all the russ vs ukr news is bs ...& one of the k.guys starts chatting Flawlessly in Russian !, switching to ukr in midsentence, saying,' Yup, you know, when i visit my ukrainian pals at their family homes, all the kids&parents converse in russian'...you can't make this up...seems he took the long way round --korea,ukr, brazil & ended up here in Canuckistan.go figure...cheers
For that matter, Zelenskii, Poroshenko and others also speak Russian when the microphones are off.
That's very true. Being part of the Russian state for so long made the language predominantly Russian and except for one disgraceful burst of extreme Russian cruelty under Stalin, in 1932 and 1933, it was a workable relationship, if one-sided. The "Holodomor" in 1932-33, during which Stalin starved to death millions of Ukrainians, was a period in which all of Ukraine's food was sent to Russia. More deaths than the Jewish flag-waver Holocaust but The Ukraine just got on with life and didn't use this period as their dining out motivation as with the Jews in Europe, and now in the US as their favourite fundraiser, just to support their 50 years of crimes in Palestine.
In those days, Ukrainians were the wrong nationality for all those sort of deceptive games. No movies made of that inhumane crime with Hollywood’s Jewish management. Different now, of course, with the US sponsorship in the proxy war, weapons on demand from all over the US-controlled world and a part time comedian as their President.
This period was also one of the reasons for the beginning in what was soon to become Germany's invasion of Europe, and possibly the reason for the high number of Nazis in present day Ukraine, relationships and philosophies today that would have commenced back in WWII when the Germans used Ukrainian soldiers, often willingly, for their benefit.
All history now, of course. A long time ago.
But now we see Germany raising it head as an aggressor as before, not just with their tank gift to Zelenskyy but also in the comments by their leaders as well. Decidedly arrogant and aggressive.
As well, for those who do not follow the US dalliances in the Asian Pacific geography, US influence has now convinced Japan to re-arm (with billions of dollars there for the US militarists in weapons sales), so we will now see a re-emergence of that country as a military force, naturally under the control of the US, as with NATO.
So watch out, Europe, watch out, China. History has a habit of repeating itself and when driven by the world's #1 criminal, the USA, lots of weapons are on order already to fight all the US / Israel/ UK / battles. Here we go....QUAD, AUKUS, ANZUS, NATO, with more to come.
"The "Holodomor" in 1932-33, during which Stalin starved to death millions of Ukrainians, was a period in which all of Ukraine's food was sent to Russia." - any other area in the then USSR suffering famine at the same time and what was their reason?
oy vay, eh?
Jewishness has nothing to do with it.
Having blown up the pipeline supplying cheap Russian gas…and now selling far more LNG expensive gas to Europe supplied by a U.S. company Conoco Philiips….and meanwhile US politicans and state governments are now touring Europe offering European companies tax subsidies to move their factories and production to the U.S. !
It’s not clear why European governments meanwhile….are sending tanks and money to Ukraine perpetuate the war that’s undermining their own economy!
There is only one answer that makes any sense: the US economy and middle class are so debilitated they must conjure up an even field where everyone is suffering -"because of Russia". Fascism has taken hold: there are many signs, but did you hear what the deputy prime minister of Canada had to say about the the US middle class at the WEF?: they make ten times the wages of that of the middle class in emerging countries , but don't work 10X as hard.
The implied injustice of this is "true" she said, but a social and political hot potato.
It's at the point where fascists can make public statements that would have been considered only a short while ago, outrageous, but are now only "common sense".
Of course, there is no middle class in the countries she referred to: only the very poor and the very rich. That's what she wants for the US, and it would be even worse in Canada and Europe - and no one seems disturbed. Think about the implications of that for a second.
Euro governments don't work for their countries. They work for the US.
That's a fact, and it's not lost on Europeans. That's why the German defence minister has to remind Germans and Europeans that the enemy is Russia, a hard sell if you are reality-prone, because the natives are starting to figure it out and may become less supportive of European states that support the US narrative. Hungary's Victor Orban saw the picture early on, and that's why he's called a fascist - by the actual fascists. Could it be any more ironic?
They use this trick all the time - calling others what they themselves are to be preemptive. That also applies to actions - accuse others of what you would do, or about to do.
As to the ordinary folks in Europe - yes, some know and others do not. As of this moment most do not, it seems like, as over there they would hit the streets much more readily than in the US. Though it might be heading in that direction.
I can't find much evidence of serious protests, and that's
hard to understand. You don't have to be that smart to see quite plainly what's going on. But some sort of extortion seems to rule. Maybe they're afraid of losing everything, and hope the fable about a Ukraine victory and endless cheap resources in a defeated Russia will be the outcome. Maybe it's ethnic hatred and envy: playing Slavs against Slavs. It may not end well.
A fresh article on how Germany is sneaking back its Nazi past: https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/opinions/germany-nazi-history-hypocrisy-golinkin/index.html
And that's little wonder as last year was the first one when it didn't abstain but voted against the UN resolution on "Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance":
https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3997769?ln=en
I won't go into details but I do have some acquaintances which I can no longer call friends among Germans who you can call intellectuals. These are from the former West Germany.
In their case it's pure racism. As was told me, verbatim - "I do not care about people east of Vienna". And that's well before 2014. We also discussed Nazism in Germany and they didn't deny it was present.
This is not the place for more details. I can only say I'm talking from personal experience while being acutely interested in trying to understand how things could be that way during my visits to Germany.
If someone is brainwashed and ignorant, you are. That some educated and intelligent person can support Putin and his aggression against an independent country where atrocities will be committed, mass killing of civilians and destruction of cities, all of which will bring war and that is why the one who starts it is a war criminal, and that against the Ukrainians, the people closest to the Russians , completely incomprehensible to me.
Of course, in order to do that, Putin declared the entire nation to be Nazis.
And all this after almost a year of mass crimes, mass destruction, tens of thousands of civilians killed and over a hundred thousand soldiers killed on both sides, because of the idiotic ideas of one criminal, Putin.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/russia-ukraine-most-senseless-war-nato-history/
"The war with Ukraine will be the most senseless of all the wars in our history. Because we can never fight with Ukrainians. Though Russians may think Ukrainians’ choices are wrong, may think they are ungrateful and cruel and their rulers irresponsible, we cannot fight them, even if they are, in our view, to blame for everything. Because they are Ukrainians – if we are not able to find a common language with them, then we are not able to be friends with anyone. We will be alone against the whole world, and our defeat will be heavy."
Here is something to read from someone who, according to you, is completely ignorant of the situation.
https://www.fpri.org/contributor/greg-yudin/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Yudin
You are aware that the "war" started in 2014, yes?
Yes, everyone in Ukraine knows that the war began in 2014 with the Russian annexation of Crimea and that the total war against Ukraine began on February 24, 2022 to replace the Ukrainian government.
https://kyivindependent.com/explaining-ukraine/russias-annexation-of-crimea
"Russia invaded Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in February 2014"
https://crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-authoritarian-perspectives-in-ukraine
"We need to clarify that the war between Russia and Ukraine has been going on since 2014."
I think you meant to say the war started in 2014, after the US planned and funded coup installed nazi nationalists in power and the Ukrainian nazi dominated military began the civil war on the eastern ethic Russia regions.
It seems they've put you on Caitlin's forum full time now.
"Yes, everyone in Ukraine knows ..." - are you in Ukraine? Are they also telling you that Donbass people had been shelling themselves all those years? If they are, compliment them they finally caught up and decided it was good to start shelling themselves too, as it must be feeling good.
it is waste of time to discuss anything with Russian bots . Instead trying to be funny or clever try to read those articles from Ukrainian socialists. Some of them are from Donbass and pretty informed what had happened in their country or in their region.
"The Kyiv Independent" is a propaganda outlet that was set up by Canadians and probably more than a few CIA/NED henchmen. I wouldn't use them as a source in any serious research article.
That is obvious to me. As most of the commentators on this site are just repeating Putin propaganda points I gave them some Ukrainian propaganda for the change. They should be informed what both sides are saying.
I am trying to do a serious research to be properly informed in complex situation in Ukraine and Russia.
As a leftist, I mostly rely on leftist sources. As the left is unfortunately quite divided in its view of this war in Ukraine, especially in the west, and I think I am quite informed about it because I have been following that left for many years, nevertheless I adhere to certain principles and many on the left, including some of whom the most followed totally disappointed me.
As Greg Yudin, who recently left Russia for understandable reasons, said,
https://twitter.com/YudinGreg/status/1579933020530044929
"What I find really embarrassing about parts (!) of the Western left is the inability to listen to the left from Ukraine, Russia, Poland, where there is no disagreement on this war. I thought international solidarity is a strong side of the left."
Greg is not socialist but is on the left, and I think he is serious researcher.
I am reading analyses mostly from some socialists from Ukraine or Russia, They do not agree about everything.
Regarding far-right in Ukraine Volodymyr Ishchenko https://internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article3999
https://newleftreview.org/issues/ii138/articles/volodymyr-ishchenko-ukrainian-voices
have a good analyses. I am flowing some authors that I found interesting and serious and it is possible to find their articles at various sites . Sometimes those sites are not leftist one or could be dubious reputation as .opendemocracy.net, but the name of the authors are important to me because I know their reputation and I have read them before.
I will mention to you just a few names as Volodymyr Artiukh, Ilya Matveev, Ilya Budraitskis,
sites https://internationalviewpoint.org/
https://commons.com.ua/en/
at the west
https://www.counterpunch.org/author/eric-draitser/
https://groups.io/g/marxmail/topics there are sometimes some interesting comments or links to interesting articles.
https://znetwork.org/category/place/europe/ukraine/ various opinions, with some I agree with some no.
Cathy Young , probably not leftist but i found her analyses regarding Russia and Ukraine serious
https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-in-2014-and-since-then/
Paul Jay at theanalysis.news has various guests and i do not agree with many of them but you learn different opinions and his view is close to mine, not everything,
https://theanalysis.news/paul-on-ukraine-part-1-of-3/
To add at the end, I am from the former Yugoslavia, and I survived the events from 91 to 95 when, under Milosevic, aggression was carried out against Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina under similar motives that are now used by Putin. In addition to the obvious differences, because Russia is a nuclear power, there are many similarities, such as helping the Serbian minority to protect itself, the creation of Serbian states in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina with the aim of joining Serbia, Serbian Krajina and the Republika Srpska, to denying the nationality of Bosniaks and Croats. from Serbian nationalists, and especially in the case of Bosnia, as it is all Serbian land and they are all Serbs, converts, and we have the Serbian world, Serbian lands, all Serbs in one country analogous to Putin's Russian world.
You’re a sock puppet not a “leftist”.
I find your writing laudable. Against all odds, you work tirelessly to rouse people to get off their bottoms and protest the drive to world war in the (probably forlorn) hope that they can be motivated to save their lives and livelihoods from the certain destruction such a war would mean. My belief is that people won’t heed your call. They sense that the power elites who control our countries have sealed off what small chance popular opposition to such a war might have of succeeding. Our fates would be that of the Canadian truckers or worse: confiscation of our assets, loss of our jobs, beatings, jail, and worse, all to no avail. My belief is that our fates are actually in the hands of Putin, Xi, Modi, and others whose power to confute our rulers is both real and more intelligently and patiently wielded than our rulers wield theirs. Their goal is to let the clock run out on our rulers’ ability to precipitate violence in their lands, until the rotten foundations of our rulers’ power begin to finally give way. Let’s hope their wisdom prevails. In the meantime we should understand that Ukraine is only a small part of this larger, currently mostly economic struggle to force the western oligarchs to yield their hegemony and inaugurate a more multipolar world order. The Russians will settle Ukraine’s fate as and when it best suits their interests, as well as China’s interests and the interests of other major non-Western powers.
The State would not crush a street protest movement composed of middle class liberals like they did to Occupy, BLM, and the Canadian Truckers (and a long history of brutal suppression and murder of IWW, labor, anti-war, civil rights, farmworkers, et al protesters).
They learned that lesson in Chicago '68 and Kent State killings.
That's one reason why the cowardly failure of the liberal class to respond is so disastrous. Chris Hedges' book "Death of the Liberal Class" get that story told.
Anyone who thinks a Chinese dystopian social credit system, or a Russian dystopian social credit system is preferable over Bill Gates' or Elon Musk's dystopian social credit system with chips and all is nothing more than a hopium addict.
That is not what Midge wrote, but rather about support for a multipolar world.
How sad when one has no hope. Hope has nothing to do with addiction.
"That is not what Midge wrote, ....." No, it's what I wrote.
"Hope has nothing to do with addiction." The hopium thing is a reference to the "YES, WE CAN!", hope and change crowd that actually believed things would change when Dumbo won in 2008, and when Ron Paul ran in 12 and 16, and who voted for anyone of "the squad" not to mention Tulsy Gabbard and the orange clown.
Anyone who believes the existing system can be changed, or even changed from within, is what I call a hopium addict. The American political system is absolutely FUBAR. It needs to be disassembled and rebuilt so that it works for the US and its people. The US has to stop being Israel's punkass bitch.
As long as the majority of Americans are hopium addicts nothing will change.
Thank you Ms Caitlin, as always! As you have a big audience (and are attacked round the clock on Twitter), I wanted to point out a really scary movie for people that find Nuclear War cool or winnable or whatever, it is old 'The Day After' (Jason Robards), it is on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyy9n8r16hs
and made me 'see the light' when I was about 25 (I am 66 now). Probably worth a try? Thank you!
Arrogant cowards rule us for now. Their time is ending. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Stand in the light.
It doesn't end with celebrities, although they surely like being celebrities and want to keep liking their role as celebrities, not cast into Outer Darkness like those who didn't wave the flag for the War On Iraq.
Just wrote to one of my senators (unfortunately, Tom Cotton) and asked if he wanted his family to die in a nuclear war caused by this attempt to weaken Russia. Can't wait to see his response.
Is continual NATO expansion the hill the whole world has to die on.?!
It's looking that way.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
Well, his office has always answered me before, but we'll see.
My disappointment in the ability of the general public to understand what is happening around the world always was pretty significant. That disappointment magnified during the covid, when nearly everyone wandered around with a useless mask and stood at least 6 feet from each other. At that point I thought the human race was doomed to suffer whatever calamities the uber-wealthy decided to foist on them.
But, I didn't think then, but I understand now, that the same ideological bent that caused people to take to the streets in opposition to the war in Vietnam no longer exists in this country, replaced, through incessant propaganda, with a warmongering mentality that defies understanding. During Vietnam, much of the angst against the war stemmed from the draft; young men simply did not want to be forced into service that was killing thousands of their peers. Today, young people and their families are not directly affected by the war in Ukraine, so there is not that sense of urgency that we saw during the Vietnam war. That their wealth and their potential future are at dire risk because of the moronic neocons in DC waging a war for continued hegemony is an idea that either flies over their heads or triggers no real concern, unlike the prices of eggs and marijuana. I don't think there is a formula that will awaken these people; they won't see the nuclear blast coming, anyway.
In the west, and in USA especially, the public is brainwashed by the most powerful and ubiquitous propaganda apparatus the world’s ever seen. It’s the duty of all of us to expose this.
There is going to be a large event in the district of criminals on 19 February. That's less than three weeks. Spread the word.
https://www.corbettreport.com/solutionswatch-rageagainstwar/
You’ve never heard of the Yuppies? That tech wielding generation who scoffed at civil rights, equal rights, all things 60’s, chanted USA, USA outside their frat houses, thought all workers were slugs and all corporations were god? I could go on but I’ll get traumatized—again. Just watching it the 1st time was quite enuf. Long gasp Raygun.
Yeah, yuppies. Invariably fifteen years earlier they were called hippies. Interestingly the hippie movement was a COINTELPRO creation, and Frank Zappa, who always said he hated that movement, was one of its creators. Go figure.
What is your evidence?
"We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be against the (Viet Nam) war, so we gave the blacks heroin, and we gave the white kids marijuana, and lots of it. Then we came down hard on both."
- Lyman Lemnitzer -
COINTELPRO was put together to fight the anti war movement by discrediting it. The Woodstock Music and Arts Fair was COINTELPRO's biggest operation. There is enough on the www on COINTELPRO without me having to sit here and convince you of its existence.
Ever hear of Air America? It was the Viet Nam era's equivalent of what went on in Mena, Arkansas when Bill Clinton was governor. They flew tons of heroin and canabis from SE Asia every week.
I, too, think the US is a drug dealer. I think it was more of a response to protests and hippies than a cause. Hippies were always a minority. The movement was co-opted by the state and commercialized into sex, drugs and rock-'n'-roll. The other aspects like peace and community and communication and equality were marginalized. Some hippies became yuppies but not all.
They also stopped showing the body bags.
Did anyone ever see the movie Toys with Robin Williams? Drones and robots...
“I’m in the CIA mom!”
--Sean Penn, “The Falcon & the Snowman”
Work is like 2 weeks behind on processing my paperwork for short term disability, I just spent most of the money I have left one groceries, and I just got a past due notice for my electric bill. I don’t really care about Russia right now honestly <3 good read tho
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I pretty much agree with everything Caitlin says in this article, and that Tucker Carlson says on his broadcasts, about the Ukraine War. Well done, Caitlin!
I do have one question. While I am willing to believe that our oligarchs often elevate many celebrities to the top, just 20 years ago, all of these celebrities (like Sean Penn) were against the U.S.'s war against Iraq. And 98% of them were Democrats. But now, they are all supporting the continuation of this war, which could lead to atomic death for all.
What changed these celebrities minds away from peace, and toward war?
What happened was that Obama got elected, and that did more to neuter antiwar sentiment than anything Bush/Cheney ever could have done.
You cannot exclude their working for the CIA/FBI either willingly or not. Blackmail material on these types would be easy to harvest.
Not so long ago, I would have dismissed that as paranoia, but the chummy relationship between the DoD and the CIA on the one hand and Hollywood studios on the other is well-documented.
Then, throwing in Epstein's apparent activities, and it doesn't sound so far-fetched.
Whitney Webb in her "One Nation under Blackmail" produced such an avalanche of names of all kinds and relationships that nothing is out of the question.
Whitney Webb is a world treasure. What a dogged and stunningly brilliant woman!
Her attitude is remarkable - having children to stick it to the depopulation agenda, and having no fear so they might have a better future.
Good points. I guess I wasn't thinking about "One Nation Under Blackmail," but Whitney Webb has done a great job of showing how easy it must be to go to a target and say: "Cooperate, or we will kill you." If the target has principles, they just threaten his children instead, and at that point, most people cave in. // We have to let more people know what is going on if we want a fighting chance.
Mind control is progressive and collective.
I am intrigued. Please say just a little more, to clarify.
Bill Clinton saw it as a way to make money so he and Killery started their war on the working class and everything just fell into place!
When Bill Clinton promised oil and bank lobbyists that they can trust Democrats, the jig was up. The DP went from rhetorically supporting working people, supporting labor unions and supporting justice for those on the lowest rung on the social ladder, to opening doors for manufacturing jobs to go abroad permanently, abandoning the workers and getting rich in the process. It was bound to happen, because the role of money was never opposed by ANY legislators or courts, but the chameleon Clinton made the historic right turn, and democracy went down for the count.
I honestly don't know. My best guess is: in the 1980s, the Dems were the party of peace because they were out of power, and Reagan was figuring out how to end the Cold War. For all those who hate Reagan, he and Gorbachev united, and signed the INF Treaty.
In the 1990s, Clinton bombed a bunch of places, but didn't want to go to war anywhere, because the public would have hated it. After 50 years of Cold War, we just wanted to have peace for a change.
Then 2001 happened, and both parties jumped on the war bandwagon. However, W got a 93% approval rating at one point, and so the Democrats eventually had to go against him. Whatever position he took, they took the opposite. Sort of.
Then we got Obama, who promised peace, and said Iraq was a mistake. Except he was at war with someone literally every day for 8 years, which set a record for U.S. presidents. Mr. Peace drone striked everyone.
Trump signed 5 peace treaties with Middle Eastern countries. No one noticed.
Now that we have Biden, it the Democrats like war. They liked it when Bush was popular from 2001 to 2003, too. Hillary voted for Iraq, for example.
I think they only were anti-war because of Reagan, and later, Bush. But in their hearts, Democrats are all about control, so killing civilians makes them happy.
They were also against censorship in the 1980s--they were always talking about that. It turns out that when you're unpopular like they were in the 1980s, they worried the other side would shut them down, which the other side never did. In psychology, that's called projection. We know they were projecting because as soon as their friends owned Facebook and Twitter, they censored the hell out of thousands of people.
So, apparently, all of this talk about anti-war and anti-censorship was always bullshit until they could get in power, and then do to everyone else what they said was bad. This is like someone saying, "I'm against wife-beating!" That is, until the sociopath gets his chance.
Fear is a big element... The propaganda of Russiagate... The propaganda of Covid... The demonization of Putin and T
There have always been backroom dealings within and between party bosses. Presidents have been controlled through threats when they disagreed with the MIC which Eisenhower warned about in the fifties.
I sense some partisanship in your comment. Both parties are corporations. Please do not confuse party leadership with the rank and file partisans. The partisans are propagandized.
Carol, I'm pretty conservative in what I want, but I like only about 1 to 5% of the politicians. What I want is: cheap fuel for everyone, cheap natural food, an environmentalist movement that is pro-human, etc. I am against the whole "eat the bugs, live in the pod, make fuel 10x expensive, and watch people die of starvation as they shiver in the dark." And I will work with anyone of any political persuasion if they want: a) an end to lies and propaganda; and b) an end to these potentially nuclear wars.
I think Biden is stone cold evil. I've liked about two American presidents in the last 48 years. I liked Gorbachev and Margaret Thatcher, too.
My beliefs are unimportant, except for the part where I am 100% anti-censorship, and 100% pro-human.
I liked everything in your comment, but when you said you liked Margaret Thatcher I couldn't disagree more. As far as her use of Milton Friedman's playbook on creative destruction, the process she started in the UK can only be surpassed by the German Luftwaffe.
Edit: No, actually.... The damage caused by the Luftwaffe was repaired by the time the Beatles sang "Love Me Do". What Margaret Thatcher did to the United Kingdom they have not yet recovered from. That's forty years, and counting.
I used to think that the rank and file of the Damn Dems were a bunch of nice guys, but my experience in the last 5 years has disabused me of such notions. Mostly Dems now are weenies, flummoxed by what the “party leadership” did to the party, still think it’s all T-rump’s fault, still watch Rachel (“occasionally”) or read the New York Times (“mostly the book section”), have never heard of “Listen Liberal”, Julian Assange, Aaron Matte or Max Blumenthal, don’t give two shits about the treatment of the people at the border, or of incarcerated people (much less that Killery made a fortune on her investments in prisons) or that labor is fukked over at every turn. They do care a little bit about black people getting killed in the streets by the cops, but only because they fear a race riot and they might have their easy middle class life interfered with by people seeking justice. No, the Damn Dems suck. It’s only the Radicals that carry any promise for a better future. And they always do.
"Fear is a big element... The propaganda of Russiagate... The propaganda of Covid... The demonization of Putin and T"
In every NATO country in general, and in the US in particular, the left/right paradigm is as fake as a three dollar bill. I live in the "us and them" paradigm. Us being the red pills and blue pills, and them being the Matrix.
I've mentioned a couple of times that I witnessed with my own eyes two C-130 transport planes fly towards Poland in the morning, and returning in the evening. This went on for five days in mid January a year ago.
I made an exception that week and watched the evening news to hear what they would say about these planes. Their reporting that week on all things Covid 19 was remarkable. It was as if they couldn't get it wrapped up fast enough. "Nothing more to see here, folks. Move right along."
On Friday that week, the fifth day of these flights they spent six or seven minutes talking about the evil man in Belarus. Then they gave equal time to the psychopath in the Kremlin (yes, they actually called him that here). Then came what I had waited for for five days: "The movement of large amounts of military equipment is NOT related to a military exercise". Then, without pause came the fluff piece at the end of the broadcast.
Retrospectively it is easy to say they were setting the stage for what happened on 2/24. Covid 19 hasn't been mentioned on the news since. I didn't connect the dots a year ago, but I am probably one of very very few people in Norway that actually has connected these dots.
They stopped talking Covid when their narrative began to crumble and began the war diversion. Both "pandemics" and wars not only make them money but are also used to control.
Absolutely right. This iteration of population control in America, started with 9/11 and dick. Cheney, I mean. Those neocons perfected the manipulation of the media, got the war and oil they wanted and then slunk off to Wyoming and Texass. The neolibs—who are feckless beyond compare—simply adopted the PNAC playbook and thus—COVID! Germ warfare, with the willing compliance of a 9/11 terrified populace in its own enfeebling. ( I see Wuhan isn’t getting any more NIH money, so their work here must be done! 🤗). All of this combined with the sucksess of Russiagate, our quivering population dare not stick its head above the parapet to see is really happening in Ukraine. Which is why I celebrate Caitlyn soooooo much! Thank you to our brave truthteller.
Here is more proof (as if it's needed) that the left/right paradigm is fake. "They" have an agenda, and "they" want everyone onboard.
https://greenwald.locals.com/post/3445182/meet-the-left-wing-german-politician-drawing-support-from-the-right
The Covid narrative hasn't crumbled here. It's just been tucked away in a closet for safe keeping. The powers that shouldn't be expect to win the war in Ukraine, and that's when said narrative gets pulled back out. As some WEF wize-ass said seven or eight years ago: "The 2020's will be the vaccination decade.", and we're only in the fourth year.
I think more and more people are connecting the dots, that’s why Caitlyn has such a good audience, that’s why the propagandists make such fun of “woke”, that’s why McCarthy is trying to unseat Omar, that’s why the coffee shops are unionizing. Its true that few over 50 have any idea what’s going on, but these are the Yuppies that stuck their heads up the Corporate Ass and now wonder why everything in their life is dark and smelly. But their children are seeing the reality of neoliberal thought and action and are quietly dismantling it. And don’t count American women out. They are so upset by the abortion ruling that I think we may have some rolling thunder here. Maybe not soon and maybe not spectacularly, but it’s coming.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for something positive to happen any time soon. It's going to get a lot worse before any improvement will be realized. Unfortunately.
I totally agree. But in a way, it has to get worse. Nothing changes until a person or society hits bottom with its behavior. Unfortunately, the middle class is incredibly insulated from the consequences of it’s behavior. And while other classes suffer from middle class thinking, assumptions and actions, the bourgeoisie goes blithely on taking all privileges and owning up to no obligations. This is changing rapidly, but not obviously. So no, I wouldn’t hold my breath, but yes, the patriarchy is quietly crumbling as is the underpinnings of capitalism and militarism. The sad part is that the so called left has NO idea what to put in it’s place, so environmental children and pissed off women are going to have to create a new paradigm while men resist and kavetch and sabotage to loss of their power. It’ll take time but it is happening everywhere. It’s just not real organized.
State is out of control and is not performing in the best interest of the nation. Who are they representing
They represent Moloch.
"People whose opinions are grounded in facts and logic don't need to resort to accusing those who disagree with them of being secret agents working for foreign governments."
Bingo! All the mindless NAFO "fellas" and their rude comments are a strong example of this fact. When you've got no information to refute another person's statement, you act like an eight-year-old and post potty humor memes.
How little they realize. One nuke begets a response. That is two. They are battlefield nukes. Strategic. A couple of days later. Another one, then two more. No conventional combat systems are left. The fallout is kept quiet by the media.
Move on to high altitude taking out electronics. Comms go down.
Then the power is out. Then they just start lobbing these things around the planet because there is no turning back and we are fighting fires or burning in them.
Maybe they wake up at 4. I doubt it.
While stationed at NORAD the scenario and military exercises always ended with the world a big nuclear wasteland.
yeah!
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(why weren't
we Informed?)
i have no proof of this but someone once told me Sean Penn works for the CIA and that's why he e.g. scored an exclusive interview with El Chapo
I punched SP once in Ports bar in Hollywood. We were both arrogant pricks at the time.
Looks like one of you still is.
I have a suggested topic for you, Caitlin: look into the psychology of fear, and how governments use it to manipulate the population. Russia, China, covid, the "unvaccinated," racial groups, white supremacy, etc. The government is great at lying to us, and dropping our I.Q.'s by 40 points with their endless fake crises.