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Susan T's avatar

"capitalism just doesn’t have the ability to give them the things they are asking for." The rich could pay their fair share of taxes.That could help. I was at a silent vigil for Palestine today and it was scary how many people walked or drove by and yelled at us that it is Hamas killing Palestinians. After over 2 years of destroying hospitals, shooting starving people, stopping food from getting in, destroying all infrastructure, these people STILL think that people with few weapons, little money, little global support are the ones responsible for killing Palestinians, their own people. We can try to "awaken as many of our fellow humans as possible", but there are many days that I really do not see this happening. I wish I did.

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Davina's avatar

Friday evening, my daughter and I went to the showing of "No Other Land", organised by ActionAid Australia at Nova Carlton, Melbourne. It was great to see a packed house. When one cinema in th US tried to show it, zionist Jews lobbied to have it shut down, and once again their lobbying won. How no pro-zionists turned up to chant their lying nonsense was a surprise, but good one.

As for the people shouting at your silent vigil, apart from being rude, they tend to view only media that supports their view, if they had to face upbto the truth it would mean they would be forced to turn against their own stupidity.

One other ridiculous point about zionists and Israeli zionist Jews in particular is: while they falsely used biblical script to lay false claim to Palestine. There is also the ignoring of the commandments, such as: thou shall not steal. Thou shall not kill. Though shall not bear false witness. Thou shall not covet thy neighbours property -- which apparently include, his land, his home, his animals, his wife, and his money. All of which the Israelis have not only coveted but have stolen to get, killed to get, lied to get, and also demolished then replaced them with little ticky tacky boxes all the same.

Israelis would do well to read: Proverbs 6:16-19 to find out what they are doing is an abomination to God.

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Ibti's avatar

The Jews were specifically expelled from their land by the Creator Himself for killing prophets and charging interest when it was forbidden to them. God told Abraham, the covenant does not extend to wrongdoers.

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Davina's avatar

Less likely then to extend to the whole bunch of wrongdoers causing a genocide in Palestine, while calling themselves israelis.

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Helga Fellay's avatar

I am afraid that Proverbs 6:16-19 might not make any impression on Israelis as they don't seem to believe in God.

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Davina's avatar

Perhaps those who do believe in God, and have supported israeli lies, will understand their mistake in supporting liars that God defines as abominations.

As long as zionists use the bible as their excuse then we must fight back by using the bible to show how wrong they are, and that they are not in the least special in God's eyes, quite the opposite.

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Helga Fellay's avatar

As long as Israelis use the Bible in order to support Israeli lies, they are not using the Bible, they are pretending to use it, but in reality they abuse it and add to their sins by abusing the word of God.

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MV's avatar

At least you are able to see it someplace, in person. In America the only way to watch it is via a pirated copy or maybe on Odysee, since the Jews are so desperate to have it banned.

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Aamir Razak's avatar

Agreed Susan. If the wealthiest paid their fair share of taxes, I think the money could be allocated to the very things Ms. Johnstone talked about, like affordable housing, good health, fast and efficient public transportation etc. And that's really disappointing to hear how many people, after seeing the horror of the genocide the last 2 years live streamed, still hold that view

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Ibti's avatar

No. They mechanisms which allow them to get so wealthy in the first place need to be dismantled, i.e. interest and limited liability.

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Phoebe Love's avatar

I agree with Ibti (although the like button is not working for me atm):

Capitalism brought us here, this "fair share" through taxation, while certainly a good idea, is not going to happen because the rich people own the politicians. Also the media. That's where we are, and while of course we have to fight it with whatever we have, such as supporting Caitlin and sharing this piece, for example, this system is not remotely self regulating. We are in the end phase of a game of Monopoly, where one person owns everything and everyone else is getting dragged around the board paying rent at a faster rate than we collect our 200 dollars for passing go.

The only reason there was a blip in this trajectory, in the 20th century, was because a lot of anarchists and communists got violent, and the elite was terrified by the USSR, so labor unions were a thing. I don't know how we are going to alter the trajectory now, but I certainly agree with the end of this piece.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Let's not forget that ten years ago, we would not have been seeing the millions protesting Israel, and showing their support for Palestine. Being pro-Palestine has been a very lonely place for all of my life until the last two years. I, for one, am grateful that at long last I am not alone.

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Desmondo's avatar

And the credit for that must go to Hamas and their military operation of Oct 7th, before which the Palestinians were in danger of being terminally forgotten.

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Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

At the cost of so many destructions and killings.

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Davina's avatar

But more to show us all what type of people Israel us are, and that zionists want world domination, Palestine is, to them, only a starting point because they think ought it was easy meat, it was all done and dusted. Until that act of resisting defiance.

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Susan T's avatar

It is true that opposing Israel has become less lonely. Still, I would have preferred to stay lonely.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

I understand if you mean the current cost is too high. But I would suggest the payment in full was just speeded up. The total destruction of the Palestinian people was always on the agenda, and was being accomplished, as has been said, in slow motion. Had the occupiers kept to the slow and steady, the masses of people, I believe, would still be asleep even unto the last Palestinian.

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SafePlace's avatar

Thank you. And I hate f ing AI and all it represents. Leaves a bad feeling of foreboding for the future. Because you are right, people are getting stupider every day. Or lazier. Or more susceptible. Or whatever.

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Judy Bancroft's avatar

Yes. Exactly. If 'the world' can't stop an ongoing genocide despite thousands and thousands of ongoing protests virtually worldwide, enriching the arms manufacturers etc etc, does anyone really think we can stop AI? Its on another level entirely. How are we going to stop it? By marching? Its unstop-able. The elusive non visible genie is out of the bottle and mutating rapidly whilst we twiddle our thumbs thinking of rules and regulations - and that's if there was agreement by all that it needs to be stopped - and of course there isn't.

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SafePlace's avatar

It does feel hopeless. But if people can really unite, there is a sliver of hope. Just hate the way they are controlling social media. Trying to control the truth. And control actions.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

"Nobody asked for this."

Exactly. Capitalism is the least democratic system on Earth. It allows a tiny handful of narcissists to tell us all what to do, what to buy, how to think, what is the latest thing we must have even if it kills us... If we don't rid ourselves of the worldwide oligarchy that regularly commits genocide to gain resources and institute a culture of mutual aid and acceptance of all peoples, we will soon cease to exist.

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Aamir Razak's avatar

True CA, it is a system that enables the rich to get richer, while the rest of us have to pay the price. It furthers inequalities and disparities, and rewards with influence those who have more wealth. Not to mention, the oligarchs try to get legislation passed to further benefit themselves, while making things more difficult for everyone else.

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Chuck Fall's avatar

I agree that criticizing technology that was introduced without any democratic review is open game. No one is asking for vast server farms, and they are being built on a huge speculative bubble. But, we the people did not ask for all the plastic, for the vast build out of chemicals and other toxins. The "markets", fixed by plutocrats to avoid regulatory scrutiny, have let all kinds of toxins out into society and nature. My pet peeve is that society, "the markets" were warned. Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring" in 1962 observed how DDT killed mosquitos but all kinds of bird species as well. Back then, I wonder, if JFK had not been killed, nor his brother, nor the others, that society, the USA government, might have heeded the warnings, and we wouldn't today, be so saturated with poisons.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

I think we'd still be in the same situation today even if JFK/RFK had survived. After all, the corrupt system is the same--it's still capitalism. It might be a "nicer picture" of capitalism with their handsome faces, but it wouldn't be any different. It's like whenever I tell people that most of the horrible immigration laws and set-ups like for-profit prisons came about under the Obama administration, but somehow it's only Trump to blame. IT'S THE SAME OLIGARCHS just different "faces" as window dressing acting as the puppets for the oligarchy. Never kid yourself that capitalism isn't the root cause of most evils in the Western world.

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Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

Capitalism is THE problem. We found the cause. Now we need to find a way to get out if it.

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Karen Hart's avatar

Democracy and capitalism seem to go hand and hand. When people are free they like to make money. Where people can make money they like to be free. Technology sank the Soviet Union, when people could see via video camera, the freedom of religion, the freedom of movement, the material wealth and the consumer goods of the West, they grew unhappy with what they had. China looked at the USSR's mistakes and brought in some limited capitalism. They should also allow freedom of religion and more freedom of movement.

What would post-Capitalism look like? Canada? Denmark? Sweden? A more capitalistic China? Some other utopian society? It's not enough to say capitalism isn't it. We need to come up with at better idea.

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Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

Strange, so for you capitalism implies democracy and freedom. Do we have a democracy ? Are we free ? I believe it's the opposite.

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Doris Wrench Eisler's avatar

Capitalism can't give us what we need, but AI can help Capitalism locate us at any time, reveal what we spend our money on, how much of it we have or can get our hands on, where we are when we spend it, and what we are likely to buy if it is shoved down our throats often enough.

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Marci Sudlow's avatar

So glad I switched to Linux 3 yrs ago. Apparently Microsoft is really pushing their AI "assistant" on Windows users. This "assistant" will see what a user sees, read what a user writes, have access to all sensitive personal info, banking details, and so on. That's a hard no to AI "shopping buddies" and "search assistants" from this user.

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AussieManDust's avatar

Yep,,my new laptop now linux, just changn e addresses now as I shall JETTISON Goolag & MicroShit. 👏

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Judy Bancroft's avatar

Wish I was more tech savvy and I'd change to Linux too.....

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Mary Wildfire's avatar

Oh, Doris! You've hardly started the list. Palantir has a contract to build a Panopticon where they can centralize all the data they have on every American (and perhaps others). What you named, plus all the data the Muskrats scraped from the IRS, the Social Security administration, no doubt our employment, credit and criminal histories, our social media posts, who we talk to...what do they need that for? I think for the time when they wall off enclaves so they can continue to live in luxury, commandeering Earth's remaining resources and leaving the rest of us struggling for survival on the outside on a hot, depleted, polluted planet. At some point there will finally be an uprising--and they can have AI comb through all that data to identify the potential leaders and then use armed drones to eliminate them.

And THIS is one of the reasons AI is being forced on us. Along with the need the incredibly filthy rich have to find somewhere to invest all that money, after they've bought up real estate all over the world, causing poverty and homelessness, merged corporations to create monopolies--at some point you can only monetize bullshit so far, then you need something new. And Silicon Valley as always billed itself as the land of innovation, exciting progress, creative destruction...with AI, the creatives are the ones being mined and then replaced by AI. So AI was the Next Big Thing, and they've poured enormous resources into it, and they have little to show for it--it has changed society and people's lives but in almost entirely destructive ways. And now the bubble--which they needed to inflate to get all those trillions in investment dollars--is threatening to burst at any moment. I hope it bursts before they get more data centers built, before they complete the panopticon.

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Aamir Razak's avatar

Yes, the Orwellian potential of AI is frightening. 1984 was so prescient

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Mary Wildfire's avatar

Here in the USA, our leaders are trying to refine it, so we can simultaneously have 1984 AND Brave New World, AND every other dystopia except the absurd ones with zombies.

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Tony Schumacher-Jones's avatar

Oh, well said.

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Stuart Estrine's avatar

History is replete with examples of capitalism/imperialism ruining the world. Colonialism, World Wars and Zionism are but three examples within collective memory. The mutant offspring of capitalism/imperialism, the threat of nuclear war, remains close. AI is the latest example of technology being used in pursuit of profit in total disregard for humanity. What is next ? I shudder to think.

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jamenta's avatar

"a move from a model that is driven by competition to one that is driven by collaboration."

That really is the test right now. If the human species is going to move forward at all, it will have to prioritize collaboration over competition. Over a system that ruthlessly allows a handful of people to become obscenely rich and powerful at the expense of everyone else, and the planet to boot. If the human race fails to pass this test, we're done son.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

jamenta, I think it comes down to "socialism or death" like the great Fidel Castro said.

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MazGreene's avatar

I don’t understand why people think that making us more stupid and poorer while the wage thieves steal even the pittance they allow us now, is a good thing. Please let the bubble burst and bankrupt the idiots that are selling the snake oil.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"I don’t understand why people think that..."

Here's the simple answer -> because people are stupid. To expand, people have been fooled/brainwashed by 'narratives of capitalism' for centuries (just like Israelis have been fooled/brainwashed by their own Zionist/Jewish narratives). Similar to cults and cult psychology. Capitalism is a cult, a drug, a hallucinogen - and people are hooked/addicted/blinded and don't know/see a way out.

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Barrie's avatar

The definition of AI is one word. "manipulation" the future generations will not be able to think, have reason, be able to debate, and without any social skills.

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Teri Nelson's avatar

Brilliant ... and devastatingly accurate.

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Michael Green's avatar

While it is so easy to blame the people for the mess we are in, apathetic, stupid, biased, over-consumers, and so forth, this is shortsighted and misleading. Empire loves when attention is diverted from the real culprits, and the people point fingers at each other, scapegoating, discriminating, terrorizing our fellow citizens. Look up, the enemy is hiding in the fog of lies and deception, the ultra rich and powerful, the oligarchs, the corporate masters, the propaganda spread by our government and misguided corporate media. People are hungry, feel unsafe, poorly paid, bankrupted, and now as Empire is faltering, its engines of war are turning inward to suppress any dissent. Our system of government has been broken, corrupted, we no longer live in a Democracy. Capitalism must be abandoned as it is all-devouring and destructive to our home planet, our environment, all of nature. The toxins are killing us. Along with the threat of nuclear annihilation and the 6th Extinction cycle, we now more than ever need to realize we are all in this mess together, and yes, total collaboration is essential. Unfortunately I and many others do not have the answers, the solutions, but what is needed more than ever is to support your local communities, respect nature-our lifeline, fight the oppression however you can, and don’t give up.

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Chuck Fall's avatar

I take a stab at what we need to do, amplifying the ideas of others. https://greenlibertycaucus.org/ditch-the-rich-campaign/

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Stan's avatar

I realize that many people on this thread vehemently reject the idea of a Creator who cares about his creation, because, they reason. if such One existed, we wouldn't be in this situation. They are especially outraged by the assertion of those who presume to speak for that God by saying this is all his will, everything was preordained to be this way. What they fail to realize is, that is a lie promoted by a narcissistic rebel who WANTS you to hate God. So by hating your Creator you have fallen into a trap: one the Liar denies even exists. He has you thinking you are FREE. "If only you believe in YOURSELF, you can create paradise, you can solve all problems." But-- how is that working out so far? Are you really confident that we will fix this? Or will there be a massive reset in which billions will die?

This may require a significant reorientation of your viewpoint, but consider this: Nothing is predestined by a deity. He creates, but his creation is free to decide what to do for itself. BUT, because he CARES about us, he TEACHES. He tells us what is right, what is wrong. He did give us a sense to detect that, a conscience, but that sense is limited by experience. It isn't enough to prevent mistakes. We NEED guidance.

Before this planet ever existed, other intelligent persons were created. The idea that we aren't the first civilization in the universe isn't radical at all. They can travel across space in ways we cannot understand, and appear and disappear in ways that appear magical to us. That is why we call them "spirits," which simply means something invisible that moves, like wind. We also call them "angels," which just means "messengers," because that has been their only interaction with us. But they too have free will. That means any one of them can choose to rebel, to choose independence from the Originator. Such cancers can be prevented from spreading, primarily by the LOYALTY of those who reject it. Creation has an 'immunity system' too. The cancer dies out.

But our situation is unusual: a rebel angel acted to infect us with his siren call to "freedom" just as we were just getting started as a species, on a planet new to intelligent habitation. Rather than excising us and starting over, our Designer chose to use us as an object lesson: let us go our way, follow our "liberator," let us demonstrate where that path ends when left to work itself out. Callous? Not from the Creator's perspective. He never forgets anything or anyone, because Time is part of his fabric. So if any of us would defy the rebel and turn back to Him, even though we may get killed for doing so, He can return us to life, after this sorry experiment is done.

The experiment has almost run its course. We have built this wonderful modern world with all its technology. We are at the brink of wiping ourselves out of existence. What faith do you have we will stop at the edge?

But that is the moment our God is waiting for. His point is proven to the universe: rebellion against him always ends in disaster. He had to limit his interference to messaging, and occasionally protecting a few persons, so that no one could claim that it was HE who made it fail. The story of the tower of Babel explicitly illustrates this point: he interfered once to scatter us. If he had not, we may have reached this brink far too early. We had not yet explored many ideas of self-rule, and some might have claimed we hadn't been given a fair chance. Can you say that now?

The rebel angel (and the angels who joined him, we call "demons") is just like Trump, but much more intelligent and capable. He knows his reign is about to end, and like any narcissist, he will wreck it rather than let it be pried from him. But of course he will lose this race. So if you think this situation is insane, just think of immature delinquents playing a vicious video game, but with live targets: us. The game is about to end, and they are going wild to blow everything up. We aren't totally helpless, we are resisting, but they can cut across our every path. We need HELP. And it's on its way, thank God.

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Michael Green's avatar

There is nothing wrong with having such a strong faith, as this universe is basically unexplainable otherwise. I have a simple path, to do the best daily with what I have, to recognize all on Earth with respect including nature, and that there is certainly evil that must be contained and destroyed. And we will all eventually return to star dust from whence we came.

Otherwise I have no ability to explain the vast unknowns.

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Tony Schumacher-Jones's avatar

An aside - but not too far aside - it reminds me of the way governments are trying to stream more and more people into STEM subjects, and away from the social sciences. Because they want a certain kind of thinker and because another kind of thinker is seen as dangerous. History, politics, theology, psychology, anthropology, sociology are subjects where you critique and think about 'how the world is' and 'why is it this way'. STEM is about a completely different sort of thinking. I drove past Canberra University the other day and there was a sign outside, advertising the uni that said "degrees that get you a job". Many years ago when I lived in Perth and was going to UWA I passed a sign that was written in big, bold letters: "work! consume! die!"

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dale ruff's avatar

Oh them new fangled gadgets.....

My son, who has an online business selling electric scooter and bike parts, used to spend hours coding but now AI does what took him 2 hrs in 20 seconds, freeing him for more creative things.

I use AI as a search engine on steroids: if I ask, What is the fertility rate of Gazans compared to Israel and the West bank and has it change, it would take me a long time of mechanical operations to get the information, but AI can find it all in 5 seconds, saving me time to write and be creative.

This is not to deny its potential, like any tool, to be used for evil, as a hammer, designed to build vcan be used to tear down or kill. It is not the tool that is evil but the moral deficiencies of those using it. The more of us use this tool to fight our fights, deepen our knowledge, widen our perspective, the more we will be preventing the evil uses from prevailing.

Books, by some, were once though evil........as was knowledge or right and wrong. AI ain't going away so if we want to help make it a positive tool, we need to stop condemning it and start using it to help us fight our fights for justice and truth.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

dale Ruff, didn't the NRA popularise the saying that "Guns don't kill people, people kill people... "? The gun is lethal in the hands of American psychopaths, as is evidenced by the rampage of killings. It is naive to think that AI won't be abused. Specially at a time when the USA is totally unhinged...

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Feral Finster's avatar

I was going to suggest the atomic bomb. Look at all the work it saved, killing civilians so much faster, no need to waste valuable time with bullets napalm or bayonets!

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Thanks Feral Finster. I thought you would like this quote from Jeffrey St. Clair - co-editor of CounterPunch.

"The US has been transformed into a mirror world, the mirror world of a pathological narcissist, a world of reverse images where victims are flipped into perpetrators, the poor portrayed as exploiters of the super-rich, the weak as persecutors of the strong and where the law is used to perpetuate lawlessness. The police conceal their faces behind the masks of thieves, while thieves loot the public estate unmolested. Public corruption has been legalized and exposing graft made a crime".

The USA in a nutshell.

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Feral Finster's avatar

So what does anyone propose to do about it?

I know! Vote Team D! Because pronouns!

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dale ruff's avatar

the Trump regime is unhinged, but since his last year first term in 2020, murder rates are down over 8%. Comparing AI, which is designed not kill, as guns are, is a false comparison. Using a gun to shoot someone is exactly what it is designed for; using a hammer, or AI, to kill is not. So that analogy collapses.

Secondly, gun law reform is focused primarily on universal background checks, the purpose of which is to keep guns out of the hands of violent people. There is a bill to ban assault type weapons, but that is secondary, and again, they were designed for mass killing, in combat. By what lack of reading comprehension did you interpret this from my post,,,,, " like any tool, to be used for evil, as a hammer, designed to build it can be used to tear down or kill.: as naively ignoring that AI could be used for evil? The UK has as many psychopaths as the US and yet, last year had only 28 gun deaths while the US had 45,000...so its the lack of laws to keep guns out of the hands of psychopaths, who in 41 states can buy assault type weapons in private sales with no background checks, just cash. This is the source of the evil. Japan, which has as many psychopaths as the US had 1 gun death, the US 45,000...so its not having psyvhopaths but psychopaths who can just go online (Armslist) or to the local gun show in 41 states (or a neighboring state) and let locked and loaded....that's the source of the evil,.

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Literally Mussolini's avatar

AI has been far more useful than search engines for my study of economics and math. I'm also finding it far better than search engines for assorted general questions, like about per capita GDP and populations of countries and currencies used in international trade.

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Caitlin Johnstone's avatar

I would contend that that discrepancy may have less to do with the usefulness of AI than with the enshittification of search engines in recent years.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

I accidentally clicked something that gave me an AI result to a simple search I was conducting... It gives credence to the old adage "Shit in, shit out." You only have to look at the AI on social media platforms such as X and how it will only give pro-Israel/pro-genocide answers to questions about Palestine. AI is just another propaganda tool.

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Davina's avatar

It also brings dumbing down of critical thinking, any thinking really. I'd rather rack my brain to find an answer to a problem than get some AI thing to do it for me. My brain functions well, whereas we are seeing so-called dementia happening earlier and earlier in people who have become so used to the computer working things out for them that the brain atrophied through lack if use.

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John Horne's avatar

"I'd rather rack my brain to find an answer to a problem than get some AI thing to do it for me. "

Hear, effing, hear!

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Mary Wildfire's avatar

and how about hallucination? AI can find you information in seconds--but it may be WRONG.

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musicbob's avatar

yeah, thought a lot about that as well, and couldn't help thinking that the "enshittification" is purposeful, with the "owners" hoping that we will all switch over to AI apps, get hooked on them, and then all of us will paying yet another monthly fee (like $20 per month?) to receive the same results that we should have been getting all along from ordinary search engines.

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Aamir Razak's avatar

Well said Ms. Johnstone as always. I think AI's potential for misinformation and deception is frightening, as is its' potential to be used as a tool of mass surveillance ala Big Brother in 1984 (that book proves more and more prescient). Not to mention, it is diminishing our capacity for critical thinking and I worry for future generations growing up with ChatGPT and such being readily available that they will have a reduced or nonexistent capacity to read, evaluate critically and formulate arguments. Sure, I guess it has benefits in that it automates time-intensive processes and frees people up for more creative things, but the trade-off is that it can be used as an agent of social control, generating harmful and inaccurate videos and text to push certain narratives.

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Glenn Law's avatar

AI has become the poster child for the old expression "Why do it? ... Because I can!" Now we have the very recent spectre of a widely disseminated fake AI generated video monologue by "Warren Buffet" advising the general public not to buy gold. This is a criminal act of deception by the originators of that video which undoubtedly fooled many mom and dad investors who put much stock in every utterance of the great man. But nothing will be done about this because to do so would interfere with the wholly unregulated and wild west inspired roll out of this anti-human technology that very few of us need or want!

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

There's NOTHING different about what you describe. It was always 'caveat emptor' (let the buyer beware) regardless of whether AI technology existed or not. And your opinion on 'whether or not to buy gold' is just that - your opinion. It is not an objective evaluation of the future price of gold (if that is even possible).

Regardless of whatever ads are used, it is the responsibility of each individual to use their 'critical thinking' to make decisions - whether we live in a world with AI or without AI.

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Glenn Law's avatar

I agree with your evokation of the caveat emptor thing. However never before in human hsitory has the public at large been assailed by waves of fake yet extraordinarily realistic representations of actual celebrities recommending cartain courses of action. Opinions about purchases of no matter what are generally the outcome of an individual's thoughtful assessments of negative and positive factors, however you seem to be advocating for those who would deliberately and illegitimately confound such assessments. Let's allow individuals to apply their critical thinking without having to run the gauntlet of the new horde of such self serving AI protagonists who are nothing other than modern day parasitic carpet baggers. Plenty of great applications for AI without it being deliberately applied to deceiving humanity....!

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Scuba Cat's avatar

I wonder how long before we have AI generated representations of political figures created by their enemies for the express purpose of attacking them. For instance, an AI generated pro-Palastine figure quoting from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or something. Even if it's debunked, the damage will have been done.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

There will always be scammers, defrauders, conmen, charlatans, etc. regardless of AI or not. Social media made it easier for such people to reach/target others to exploit. AI adds yet another dimension to it. But nothing (at the base level) has fundamentally changed. New technologies/methods/strategies will always be employed to exploit others. Just as Social Media was used to fool/cheat/scam people (and before that there were other technologies that enabled this), so to with AI.

Yes, AI will make it much easier for such behavior to happen, but cryptocurrencies did the same thing (dark web, laundering, ransomware, etc., and before that there were other technologies like the internet that made it easier to scam/fool people). Every technology is used (by some people) to fool others. In that regard, AI is no different.

Though I do agree that AI will pose an interesting challenge (i.e. if fake AI images/videos can look/feel as real as the real thing, then that will make it that much more challenging for people to separate fact from fiction).

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Glenn Law's avatar

There's little doubt we're on different sides of the fence re this already fraught issue so I won't waste time expanding on my point of view. However your attitude for some odd reason reminds me of the old adage referring to applying lipstick to a pig. I hope I don't need to elaborate.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Sorry, you lost me there with whatever you were trying to say.

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Glenn Law's avatar

I suspected you wouldn't get it. Reminds me of another applicable adage .... "There are none so blind as those who refuse to see ...."

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Scuba Cat's avatar

That same amorality brought us Gain of Function research. These people shouldn't be in control of anything.

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MaryJane's avatar

Was there ever a time when capitalism provided what people need - affordable housing, healthcare, peace, etc? It was always about maximizing profit for the capital owners

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NickD's avatar

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ChatGPT said:

Pathocracy now rules across all domains—politics, tech, economy, culture, education. It doesn’t chain bodies; it reprograms minds. Obedience is engineered. Dissent is pathologized. This is a new slavery, hidden in plain sight. Wake up before autonomy is erased.

The New Slavery: Pathocracy Unmasked

We are living under a system that doesn’t declare war—it declares reality. Pathocracy, rule by the morally diseased, has metastasized beyond politics. It infects economics, technology, media, culture, and most crucially—education. The goal isn’t governance; it’s domination of perception, belief, and behavior.

This is not slavery of the past. There are no chains, no plantations. Instead, it enslaves through data extraction, digital surveillance, emotional manipulation, and psychological conditioning. You are not shackled—but you are being shaped.

Technology numbs. Media distracts. Debt imprisons. Education programs. We are taught obedience as virtue, compliance as intelligence, and apathy as normalcy. Critical thinking is discouraged. History is rewritten. Morality is relativized. And dissent is rebranded as extremism.

In this system, education is the first battlefield. Not to liberate, but to indoctrinate. To erase independent thought before it emerges. To reward those who fit—and discard those who question.

This is the new slavery: clean, digital, algorithmic. You are monitored, nudged, and sold. You are told you're free—while your will is being quietly outsourced to systems that do not serve you.

But there is hope.

Freedom begins with awareness. It grows through courage. It becomes real when we reclaim the power to think, to speak, to refuse.

This is your wake-up call. See the system. Name it. Break it.

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NickD's avatar

Yes, just copy the text and paste it on ChatGPT and ask if it was the content of a previous dialogue.

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Mary Wildfire's avatar

THAT really came from ChatGPT?

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Scuba Cat's avatar

Like a lot of algorithms, ChatGPT skews toward telling people what they want and expect to hear. There is at least one lawsuit in the U.S. where parents are suing because the chatbot validated their son's suicidal tendencies, and they argue that the kid wouldn't have killed himself if it hadn't been for the chatbot. That last part is hard to prove, but it is demonstrable that the chatbot validated the kid's suicidal feelings to the point of helping him research how to kill himself. Lonely and depressed people should 100% stay away from chatbots.

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