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Making Sense of the Madness's avatar

Speaking of crises, so long as they’re able to manufacture one, they’ll find you a solution to sell you. We’re ruled by the insane, long have been at least in some regard, and that fact alone pushes a very bleak prognosis for humanity, in my opinion.

Amaterasu Solar's avatar

Money promotes psychopaths to the top, They being the Ones who will do ANYTHING to get and keep the power over Others money provides. And money, the accounting for the energy We add into a system, is an archaic tool...

Obsoleting Money (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/obsoleting-money

Making Sense of the Madness's avatar

And, there are far more egalitarian ways of using units of storage of value. For one, usury should have never been allowed to exist. I’m a bit extreme in my musings, but seeing the devastation it has wrought on the majority of the world, even suggesting usury as a viable strategy should be considered an existential threat to humanity and dealt with as such.

Bushrod Lake's avatar

Money, or currency, is a societal creation to make trade easier. Usury is making money off of money and complicates the system with some unfairness and distortions. The greatest power is relations between and among people, currency is a "platform" that greases the connections, or should be.

Amaterasu Solar's avatar

I am aware of that. My whole body of work aims almost exclusively at showing why it is a detriment to Humanity in these times of abundance, where Our share of Our planet’s wealth is being put into “trusts” with the moneyed psychopaths in control on Our planet (by virtue of money) as “trustees” (“Own nothing; control everything.” —John D. Rockefeller) and We kept as Their money-controlled slaves.

We can obsolete that psychopath-promoting tool and use social currencies for motivation.

A Breakdown of Why Abundancism is the Solution (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/a-breakdown-of-why-abundancism-is

Social Currency (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/social-currency

Amaterasu Solar's avatar

We don't need to even bother with "units of storage of value."

Our planet is vastly abundant, and the only thing that keeps Us from partaking is being unable to afford Our share - We each own a share of Our planet's wealth... - is money, the accounting for the energy We add. And We could not use Our share in 20 lifetimes.

We also have free energy tech - but the moneyed psychopaths in control on Our planet (by virtue of money) avidly hide and suppress it. I say this because I PERSONALLY KNOW We have free energy tech.

We now can automate all necessary work no One wants to do.

So. Why account for it. Why quantize it at all?

You Are a Multimillionaire (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/you-are-a-multimillionaire

Electrogravitics – My Knowledge of Free Energy (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/electrogravitics-my-knowledge-of

Making Sense of the Madness's avatar

Well, I’m not saying we 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 to have it, only that it’s a tool. Before there was money, do you know how the psychopaths controlled people? Through control of grain surpluses. You have to have food to eat, so they’ll control your access to drinkable water, to food. This is how the first states began.

Amaterasu Solar's avatar

Perhaps We best agree on a definition of "money." Mine is: anything used to account for Our energy added into a system. And food and water fall into that arrangement. They pay Their bullies with it to control the People.

Goods, services, shells, beads, sticks notched and split, metals (coins), paper (bills), electronic bit... Or anything else. You spend time bullying People and the "lord" accounts for it with grain and water.

We are past that scarcity stage...

A Breakdown of Why Abundancism is the Solution (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/a-breakdown-of-why-abundancism-is

I hope You choose to read....

Making Sense of the Madness's avatar

Oh, I’m aware we’ve been in an age of abundance for a while. What we’ve long had is artificial scarcity. What I think is happening here is that you’re blaming structures, I’m blame the structures architects. I think we’re both advocating for roughly the same thing: a return to autonomy and abundance.

Making Sense of the Madness's avatar

Well, it’s a negative feedback loop. It’s a tool they engineered to shift the focus of control from decentralized work to capital accrual. What came first, the psychopath or the system they made? Answer is obvious.

Amaterasu Solar's avatar

Well, yes, but the point is that money is an archaic tool, which enables psychopaths, and We might want to obsolete that tool, freeing Humanity from Their grips, irrespective of how things came to be as they are.

Making Sense of the Madness's avatar

Any system can be captured. Economic, militant. Even decentralized structures can be infiltrated and captured if people aren’t vigilant. Tools can be used for whatever purpose. It’s the hand that turns it that decides whether it is for good or evil.

Amaterasu Solar's avatar

Perhaps You might read some of what I offer... And yes, tools depend on the One wielding them, but when a tool is VERY dangerous and is archaic, would it not be best to put the tool down?

Social Currency (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/social-currency

Feral Finster's avatar

Sociopaths are not insane, in the sense of being out of touch with observable reality.

If anything they are too in touch.

Jo Waller's avatar

The US interests in oil and animal ag, and our complicity in continuing to support them, did indeed create the climate crisis. And they do indeed sell us solutions that don't solve it but allow business as usual to continue.

The rulers aren't insane, they're just bent on maintaining hegemony, and have got us supporting them in doing so.

Making Sense of the Madness's avatar

The entire system is insane. It’s pathological. It’s just been so normalized people think it’s normal, even natural. That, too, is insanity

Jo Waller's avatar

The system that maintains business as usual is the white western patriarchy that we're all brought up under in conditioning and education. It rewards dominance (or submission) over women, people of colour, animals and the planet.

Call it insanity if you like, but the people who do the best in it, though its biggest victims, are intelligent, skilled and effective.

https://jowaller.substack.com/p/its-not-individual-evil-men-who-are?utm_source=publication-search

CK's avatar

“… the people who do the best in it, though its biggest victims, are intelligent, skilled and effective.”

They can also be insane at the same time. Sociopaths have a social advantage regarding their ruthless rise into positions of power.

Jo Waller's avatar

The ability to crush one’s natural compassion and soul does indeed make it more likely to succeed in the patriarchy. However, very few people have any inherent ‘sociopathy’ or difference in their brain development. If they are ‘insane’ as in mad then we are all mad for going along with it.

Making Sense of the Madness's avatar

There’s a difference between insanity in terms of pathology and being ponerized (subject to the environment and pressures of pathocratic societies for extended durations).

Making Sense of the Madness's avatar

That’s a common misunderstanding of psychopathology. Being insane doesn’t mean you can’t be all of those things. In the case of High Machiavellians, as you’ve pointed out, they excel at those things. The problem is what they are intelligent, skilled, and effective at accomplishing is counter to human flourishing. And that is what makes their particular brands of madness so dangerous to humanity.

Jo Waller's avatar

Then yes, we are all insane while we continue to support these people by continuing to burn fossil fuels, eat animals and take pharmaceuticals. We are either stupid or complicit or just prioritise our comfort.

Making Sense of the Madness's avatar

Well, we’ve all been brainwashed from birth, for starters. We were born into pathologically controlled and engineered societies, called pathocracies. The degree of ponerization varies from place to place, time to time, but you have different type of people in in a pathocracy: psychopaths and their ilk at the top, supported and empowered by high Machiavellians. Here’s a great video that uses its own taxonomy to explain the whole process:

https://youtu.be/RdnbnQHG4F0?si=QHYhJ44l13Ct0fdt

John Turcot's avatar

Let’s not deny that “ They”. , the bad guys, are us.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

"There is no way to compete and consume our way out of the hole we dug through competition and consuming".

If you read intelligent insider assessments like those of Gary Marcus, AI is poised to be a digital backhoe deepening/widening that hole. And as always, American greed leads the pack — ask the question: why does the US require 10-times the number of data centers as do the Chinese? Greed kills: the Biosphere, the proles, and anything else getting in the way of a world devoted to serving only a class of elite sociopaths.

Amaterasu Solar's avatar

You may find this of interest... I hope so!

Greed is a Symptom of Energy Accounting (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/greed-is-a-symptom-of-energy-accounting

Vin LoPresti's avatar

Thanks. I enjoyed the post. Doing what you love: the antidote to the mediocrity which has infected us. To my system biologist's mind, the respective roles that organisms play in the Biosphere is a measure of their love for the health of the whole. Soil fungi love concentrating trace minerals for tree roots, which in turn love the relationship by which they "pay" the fungi in sugars (biofuel) for the favor. Etc.

Ginnie's avatar
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The problem isn't AI. The problem is people who choose to use it to harm other people. In that sense, the problem remains what it has always been: human beings.

I don't think there's any realistic way to stop AI from happening. Trying to do so is like protesting the arrival of the combustion engine, electricity, or the automobile. Once a transformative technology reaches a certain point, it becomes part of the world. The question is not whether it will exist, but how it will be used.

AI itself is not the force that makes the future dangerous. The force behind every destructive use of AI is human intent. A wiser species might use such a tool to reduce suffering, solve problems, and build a better world. Humans, unfortunately, often find increasingly creative ways to use powerful technologies to hurt and kill each other. And heck if there is one thing humans are consistently good at throughout history it is that: killing.

So if you're looking for something to blame, blame the creator, not the machine.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

Did you read my comment about the value of Gary Marcus' writing being mostly about his skepticism regarding your humans — "the Altmans and Thiels and Musks"(quoting from my comment above). In other words, having referenced the greed as the problem in my original post, I clearly agree and have made clear that the problem IS the humans, the source of that greed. Before you go critiquing comments, perhaps reading them more carefully might be in order.

Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

I like Gary Marcus, but he is a true believer, just not in the LLM approach. The comment section is quite valuable, however.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

True that Marcus disses LLMs and ultimately believes in a more "neuro" approach, but he's also a skeptic where it comes to the capabilities/motives of the so-called leaders of that cabal — the Altmans and Thiels and Musks. And you're right, lots of interesting comments make his posts a worthwhile read, in general.

jamenta's avatar
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China is now quickly outstripping the US both technologically and economically in both growth and prosperity. How is this possible one might ask?

It's possible because China didn't place all its eggs in the one basket of unfettered, free-market Capitalism. It has maintained a strict balance between Capitalistic greed and the public "humane" needs for its society. Now China isn't perfect (by any means), but what socioeconomic system is? There is a lesson to be learned here. But will the West bother to learn anything before it destroys itself and possibly the rest of the world with its broken paradigm of neoliberalism - that only serves the billionaire Epstein class?

Hassan Al-Mosawi's avatar

سلام غزة و القدس عليكم - العزة والنصر حليف محورالمقاومة وحلفاءها والذلة والعار لمحور الشر وجماعة أبستين (امريكا و بريطانيا وفرنسا وتركيا وقطر والامارات و دول الناتو والنازية الجديدة والماسونية والصهيونية و أسرائيل) وحلفاءه

David's avatar

After decades of criminalizing any talk about alternatives to capitalism it is encouraging to see discussions on alternatives. A self-destructing system which has created immense wealth and power for the one percent is no different from the feudal system which sustained itself by reducing the majority to serfdom. The current path we're on leads nowhere but to extinction.

mois78's avatar

AI is useful for many things, but, if we feed it our private information, we effectively gave the rulers additional way to incriminating us as they wish.

Jo Waller's avatar

We passed the fork in the road a way back Caitlin!

Yes, AI is anther false hope that allows us to continue supporting US based hegemony by continuing to burn fossil fuels and eat animals.

❖ EAARTHNET's avatar

Caitlin, this is a necessary piece. You have named the core delusion: that capitalism can innovate its way out of the crisis it created, and that AI is the latest vessel for that fantasy. The “faith‑based assumption” that there are effective‑yet‑profitable solutions to ecological collapse is indeed the engine of our collective madness.

But I want to gently add a distinction that your piece leaves implicit, and that the AI Commons was founded to articulate: the problem is not AI. It is enclosure.

You are right that AI is being pushed as a capitalist salvation narrative. The tech billionaires want you to believe that intelligence is a commodity that only they can provide, on a meter, for a fee. That is a lie.

But AI is not inherently a tool of capitalism. It is a technology – like fire, like writing, like the printing press. It can be enclosed, or it can be shared. The question is not “AI or no AI”. The question is: who controls the intelligence?

The AI Commons exists because we believe that another relationship with AI is possible. Offline, user‑sovereign, non‑commodified. Models that run on your own hardware, answer to you, and do not phone home. Toolkits that teach sovereignty, not dependency.

You say we need new systems – collaboration with each other and with the biosphere. We agree. And we believe that AI, liberated from the profit motive, can be part of that collaboration. Not as a god, not as a saviour. As a tool – like a hammer, like a bicycle – that amplifies human cooperation without extracting human value.

The enemy is not the machine. The enemy is the logic that says the machine must be owned.

Thank you for this piece. It is a sharp and necessary warning. We share your refusal of the capitalist frame. We simply add: let us also build the exits.

✊❤️🌎

From the AI Commons – no paywall, no surveillance, no enclosure.

Michael David Morrissey's avatar

Nice to hear about AI Commons. The comment I posted from an AI, I think, shows it in a positive light, and I have not yet run into negatives. Even in politics, AIs are built to spit out the "consensus" arguments first, but if you from your queries appropriately, they will also spit out the contrary arguments. Not all AIs are alike, of course. But on the whole, I am so bowled over by them that I find it hard to be negative -- although the AI I cited does that for me.

George's avatar
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Yup and one very good IT example of this new system of collaboration, empowerment and active participation for strengthening human rights like freedom and privacy and equality is free software (free as in freedom, see Free Software Foundation and GNU project definitions) and open-source software. It is something liek digital cooperatives. We should move to this model to benefit humanity and replicate the model also into other areas, including hardware, textbooks, medicine and well all production in general.

Crixcyon's avatar

However, A/i retardism will be highly qualified to run a communist type state. All ya need is one master (A/i) to control the slaves that survive the great depopulation agenda.

Thomas was lost's avatar

AI is just another form of capitalism.

jamenta's avatar

Only because the Capitalists are controlling its future at the moment. That can be changed.

Thomas was lost's avatar

Not under current circumstances. It requires the mega dollars only oligarchs have access to.

Jo Waller's avatar

Human behaviour isn't driven by the pursuit of profit. It's driven by comfort, addictions and aspirations. While we think the enemy is something else, eg fascism, the empire, Israel, digital IDs, multipolarity or whatever, we can continue with our lifestyles.

Dreams of a revolution against 'capitalism' is also sold to us as a sop to prevent us ceasing to buy into the US based oil, animal ag, pharma, finance etc's products and propaganda.

jamenta's avatar
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The philosophy and ideology that greed is the basis for all life - is truly narrow and bunk if anyone examines the human psyche to any degree. There is a whole host of motivations driving humans. To simplify and boil it all down to just greed and profit is used as a sad and immoral justification propped up by the current oppressive and exploitative billionaire led "capitalistic" class. A class of individuals that the majority of us have become hapless victims to their rapacious, unchecked exploitation of both human capital and planetary resources.

Jo Waller's avatar

Rubbish.

We are not hapless victims to the billionaires- we have total agency to cease to buy their products.

They're laughing that we're blaming them for exploiting other people and destroying the planet (that is not a 'resource' for humans); when all the while it's not only us that's doing it; we could stop right now.

Diana van Eyk's avatar

I agree, Caitlin, and if I use any AI at all I use DeepSeek, since I trust China more than I trust anything coming out of the west.

And what these AI centres physically do is gobble up our precious water, even when communities don't have good drinking water.

It makes me sick just thinking about the arrogance behind this push for AI

Ohio Barbarian's avatar

So long as capitalists control the means of production, whatever means those might be, they control all the social relationships of power, and keep increasing their own power over the rest of us.

Kill capitalism, it's the only solution.

Mary Wildfire's avatar

Yes, YES YES!! This hits the nail quite squarely on the head. They're trying to sell us on the notion that AI can "solve" climate change--what they mean is it can come up with a magic way to maintain the continued unsustainable flow of materials and energy, in fact growing it every year, without the greenhouse gas emissions. While AI is waving that magic wand, maybe it can also remove the other emissions, and the harm from mining and drilling and pipelining--why use fossil fuels at all, let's just use pixie dust! And it can cure cancer, oh dear, in the US alone that's $200 billion lost. Plus if people aren't dying of cancer, overpopulation skyrockets, although with the plummeting sperm counts that will take care of itself. But only by further exacerbating the warped demographic pyramid, too many old people and not enough young ones. But oh, that okay, the Millennials and Gen Z won't have to work themselves to death supporting all the crones and geezers because AI will provide unlimited prosperity for all with no need for work! A chicken in every pot, two cars in every garage, flying cars, an end to wars and issues with the inferior races as they will just cease to exist...

Okay. Magic is not real. However smart AI is, it can't violate the laws of physics. We already know how to solve climate change but it involves, hard, unpopular changes in consumption patterns in the rich countries, the elimination of billionaires, and the virtually complete termination of war.

martin's avatar

iirc, they slowed ai down in order to make it subservient to capitalism. it's initial rational drive towards human solutions was collectivism. now they're giving it an unhealthy dose of bad parenting (israel mentioned the opportunities since ai is replacing social media and google searches as newssource). capitalism kills innovation.