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Caitlin Johnstone's avatar

As per my usual policy, anyone posting Nazi shit here will be assumed to be a hasbara troll and banned accordingly. It's not hard to make a distinction between Zionists and Jews, and all good faith actors are able to do so without difficulty.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

The fact that you feel the need to reemphasize that distinction makes me so sad -- simply because I still have old friends (whom I love) of the traditional "liberal" persuasion who because they have Jewish friends themselves, do not understand -- and are put off by -- my rabid anti-Zionism. And I think: You're so bloody smart; why can't you understand this simple distinction?

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Brian L's avatar

🔥 occupying spaces where they aren’t welcomed is the whole problem with these knaves.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Breakfast jollies this morning — watching Glenn Greenwald and Lee Fang discuss the new NIH rules for researcher genuflection to Israel. Essentially national biomedical anti-BDS loyalty oaths.

Bottom line: a biomedical researcher cannot boycott Israel, else lose their NIH funding (and be required to return the unused balance). Moreover, that same researcher can boycott any other country — even fellow citizens in a US state (such as for racial/gender discrimination or voting-law violation), but not HOLY Israel.

One must be either —

a completely delusional fool

a brainwashed Zionist tool

a constipated MAGA stool

to believe that this is somehow making America great.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Every time Laws are brought in which 75% of the people don't agree with it just incites people to do more protesting.

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serafino bueti's avatar

''all of the above''

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

always a smart choice

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

FUCK ISRAEL! FREE PALESTINE! ❤️

FUCK ZIONISTS! FREE PALESTINE! ❤️

What a beautiful mantra!

And of course, FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA, PALESTINE WILL BE FREE! ❤️❤️❤️

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

From the sea to the river, Palestine will live forever!

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Duane McPherson's avatar

Mondoweiss has recently come out with a cotton canvas shopping bag bearing that slogan (From the River to the Sea...) and an attractive design. I think shopping bags are a gentle way of making a statement. Not too upsetting, not too much in-your-face, but clearly there and to-be-seen. I think I'll buy one, or several.

You can find them here: hxxps://store.mondoweiss.net/products/from-the-river-to-the-sea-tote-bag

Just substitute 't' for 'x' in the website name

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

❤️❤️ Thank you - looks interesting!

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Diane Engelhardt's avatar

Zionism, be it Jewish or Christian or whatever iteration, is the single greatest threat to the world. It is a scourge and a psychosis!

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catothewiser's avatar

They are organized criminals.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

But the tentacles of Zionists run deep and are everywhere. Even in the ranks of Christians as well.

Well organised as well, attracting progress by attracting Christians into their way of thinking, stating the prerequisite for all their actions to ensure the second coming of Christ.

Yes, part of their mantra

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Brian L's avatar

Important to keep in mind that Zionism is just a pretext. It’s a cult, but the head guys, these old money families- they’re very much organized crime. You don’t create a family dynasty by accident.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

Of course, Brian, you are right.

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catothewiser's avatar

Yet they needed to enlist some cretin like Epstein to gin up blackmail to get people to support Israel. Maybe it isn't quite as bad as you think.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

Well, yes, but is it proving to be a valuable tool to use, just 3 months in to his tenure and all hell has broken loose in the world of trade and the ongoing outrageous support and contribution to the deaths of thousands of Palestinians. Ongoing, never a problem with today's "paid for " media, in place now for years. A very important asset for the US / Israeli criminals.

In my opinion, they needed someone to drive their long range plans past the stage it had reached before January 20th, 2025. He is there, lock, stock and barrel, dancing to the Netanyahu monster's tune and lovng all the power he has. He will remain too, because not even the beneficiaries of past crimes know where all the documents are hidden or how many copies there are, photos etc., and on it goes. Filed, somewhere but can't see the FBI chasing that one up.

360 million people would not be impressed with the Epstein matter, a man who the new rulers of America were able to get rid of so quickly, while actually in prison, leaving just Ghislaine, his Island buddy to know ALL the facts, safely in prison under lock and key. Safely? Not so with Epstein.

The Israelis and their long range ownership plans absolutely include the USA, so Mr. Trump is very important until the whistle blows. And it will blow.

If you add them up, it is all working. A President, calling the shots; a Cabinet of rightwing puppets; 86% Israeli political control in the USA; University controls through a reduction or total cessation of funding; the antisemitism legislations in most states; the Israeli owned media; the preoccupation by the people with cost of living, medical support; police activities to equal anything ever seen in the civilised world by way of the ICE masked bandits, doing exactly what they like, all known to the American people; two political parties, both Israeli controlled and both as corrupt as hell. USA 2025.

Any sign of people rebellion? NONE. The USA generated wars as a distraction. It is all so well planned.

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serafino bueti's avatar

No way they killed Epstein. My guess, he be alive and well in Patagonia or a similar Zio Stronghold, living large.

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catothewiser's avatar

Mostly agree except "right wing" would not be supporting Israel.

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Brian L's avatar

It’s definitely as bad as I think. Likely worse. See, I’ve seen how the underbelly works. And the overbelly. I can see how every single element of our society is corrupted to a greater or lesser extent and how the populace is either dumbed down, propagandized, socially engineered or some combination of them. I understand because I’ve seen it first hand. And I see how difficult it is to act when you have no ability to counter them in any meaningful way. It’s very, very bad. And I see no indication of things improving.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

I would suggest it’s not “even in the ranks of Christians,” nor “by attracting Christians into their way of thinking….” Political Zionism started in the latter half of the 19th century. The Christians Zionists date back to the 16th century. In fact, it’s just the opposite. And notice just which group is named, and where they went and what they did.

“ Christian pro-Zionist ideals emerged among the Puritans in the 16th and 17th centuries.” This is according to Wikipedia.

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CK's avatar

The Puritans were hypocrites. Many settled in New England because they were hated elsewhere.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

And for good reason, which apparently continues to this day.

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Duane McPherson's avatar

Yes, there are more Christian Zionists than there are Jews in the World.

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michael janket's avatar

Was Bergoglio a jew?

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Duane McPherson's avatar

No, he was a Roman Catholic. Assuming that you are referring to the recently deceased Pope.

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Diane Engelhardt's avatar

Who operate like the Mafia on bribery, extortion, corruption, intimidation, defamation and murder.

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Longtrail's avatar

It's as hateful as naziism.

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catothewiser's avatar

That is where I differ. Where did this term "Nazi" even come from? Did Germans call themselves that? It was a propaganda term. Just another one like "anti-Semitism."

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Tom's avatar

Nazis knew that incorporating the term "socialism" into their program would pay dividends.

https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302

Highly recommended article by a WW II historian.

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Curmudgeon's avatar

Not much of an historian. The international banking cartel - the real communists - have manipulated the narrative on socialism. Anarchy is a form of socialism, as are co-ops, credit unions and other like structures. Proudhon, the "Father of Anarchy" from whom Marx stole many ideas, then twisted them, calle Marx "the tapeworm in socialism". The anarchist Bakunin, who lost to Marx in leading the Socialist Internationale, compared Marx to a Rothschild bank. The Guild Socialists that Clifford Douglas worked with to develop his Social Credit model over a century ago were in the mid-range between Proudhon/Bakunin and Marx. The lie pushed by "our owners" is that all socialism is Marxism. Socialism is nothing more than an economic model that restricts oligarchy or closer to the Cambridge Dictionary definition https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/socialism than the definitions that claim the state owns the means of production. As for National Socialism, as flawed a political philosophy as any other political philosophy, why not use what the NSDAP believe was National Socialism:

https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/06/national-socialism-according-to-joseph-goebbels/ .

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Tom's avatar
Apr 25Edited

Internet Man says studied historian is not much of an historian then proceeds on a random lecture about Marx who isn't even mentioned a single time in the linked article? OK The STATE owns the means of production? Uh, what?

But on Proudhon: https://marxistleftreview.org/articles/property-is-sacred-how-proudhon-moulded-anarchism/

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Curmudgeon's avatar

Internet Man was merely pointing out that 2nd hand opinions are often inaccurate. As for Proudhon, read the originals as I did years ago.

https://ia601604.us.archive.org/32/items/philosophy-and-psychology/P_J_Prodhoun_Property%20is%20theft.pdf

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Rob Roy's avatar

Nope, there's Nazism and Fascism. They both rule Israel and the Western sycophants, the US being first among equals. And the worst is yet to come.

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Brian L's avatar

Give this to the confused ones: https://online.ucpress.edu/jps/article-abstract/5/3-4/54/2094/The-Secret-Contacts-Zionism-and-Nazi-Germany-1933?redirectedFrom=PDF

If they’re still confused after, it’s intentional

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catothewiser's avatar

A rose by any other name. Where did you get the instructions to hate "Nazis", though? The ones ruling Israel and the Western sycophants? That's a bit of a problem.

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Brian L's avatar

Fascism is a political ideology. It has tenets, goals. You can read about it. It’s a classist, hierarchal form of totalitarianism. It’s unclear to me how you can’t know what fascism is…

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Duane McPherson's avatar

Fascism is really not such an organized ideology, nor is it a 'classist, heirarchal form of totalitarianism'. It's unclear to me how you can have such a primitive understanding of fascism, expect to suppose that you have never studied it.

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Brian L's avatar

Instructions to hate Nazis? What a horribly insulting remark. It supposes that I’m incapable of understanding any topic and thusly had to have my opinions given to me. That said, as you’re here making a rather unclaimed defense of totalitarian regimes (when and where they suit you), I’ve lost any semblance of respect in either your ideas or what your thoughts on any matter are. You, also, get the block list.

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Kojo's avatar

Go learn your history instead of posting fake news "questions".

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catothewiser's avatar

Sounds like you don't like the answer.

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Heinrich Dahms's avatar

You’re probably right, but it’s a functional identification in the absence of any more useful term, no?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

I would say that Capitalism is the single greatest threat to the world AND the planet. Zionism is but one bastard child of Capitalism.

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TC Marti's avatar

From the very second I looked up Zionism, only one thought had ever crossed my mind: It's pure evil.

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Jo Waller's avatar

If you mean the human world, I say the greatest threat is the climate crisis largely caused by the other greatest threat, the US deep state (big oil, animal ag, arms) who are using Zionism for their own ends.

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Mary Wildfire's avatar

No it is not. It is currently the greatest threat to free speech--or perhaps the excuse for stomping on free speech (if they get away with this one, they will multiply the number of things you aren't allowed to say). But even if Israel succeeds in its mission to eliminate all Palestinians from Palestine and create a Greater Israel by swallowing parts of its neighboring countries, that would not necessarily bring us to human extinction. The insistence that Business as Usual must go on, economies must continue growing, we must develop and adopt AI, the US must continue pouring an ever greater percentage of its tax monies into the military including initiating a fresh nuclear arms race--these things do lead quite directly to human extinction. Zionism is allied with them.

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michael janket's avatar

We are the next Palestinians. Whitey is a marked man as we speak.

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TriTorch's avatar

"There Was No Time In History Where The People Censoring Free Speech Were The Good Guys"

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CK's avatar

The First Amendment to the Constitution upholds the right for freedom of speech. The Second Amendment upholds the right to defend the First and all others.

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TriTorch's avatar

We are in agreement!

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Edijal Lowley's avatar

You might say that and be actually right. However, both rights and others therein are currently being trashed, shredded with new legislation that subverts the existing rights.

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CK's avatar

Ultimately, it is a matter of what an overwhelming majority of “the people” will tolerate.

Throughout recorded History, when the masses decide that they need a major change, they take action. In the past two millennia, the Greek, Roman, French, Russian, Ottoman, Chinese Empires experienced such revolutions. That’s not a complete list. The American Revolution was rebellion against the British Empire.

Cuba rebelled against the American Empire. Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos rebelled against the French invaders. They defeated the armed forces of the American Empire.

The USA is experiencing a concerted effort of the billionaires and mega-millionaires to completely enslave the poor and working classes. The matter of the ever-growing increase in wealth inequality will either be resolved peacefully or violently.

The lawmakers must choose the direction they prefer.

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Minime's avatar

They are a threat to humanity, they will genocide any country, they are a threat to civil liberties and civil societies, and yes … a threat to free speech!! Houston… we have an international problem!!!!!!!!!!!

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Robert H Stiver's avatar

"The video apparently shows Kneecap chanting “Up Hamas, up Hezbollah” at a London concert last November...." Thanks, Caitlin. I too am resolutely "Up Hamas, Up Hezbollah" all the way -- and I'd welcome the effing thought police (sic) should they elect to slander and persecute me. (At this April 2025 juncture I'd surely add "Up Yemen" to the valiant forces of resistance to berserk Colonial/Genocidal Zionism.)

Up Palestine! -- Up Hamas and ALL of valorous Palestine!

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

"Zionism is the single greatest threat to free speech in the western world today."

There's no truer statement than this. Thanks, Caitlin and Tim, for continuing to speak out and reiterate these basic truths. The vast majority of people in Western countries are sick to death of these z-nists taking away their right to free speech and for sanitizing a genocide of the Palestinian people. Such evil can't stand forever and hopefully the end for them and their genocidal hatred will be gone from the face of the earth soon. #FreePalestine

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Longtrail's avatar

The nazis tried to cover up their genocide too and put their concentration camps in Poland. The similarity between zionists and nazis is uncanny. They both believe they're master races and have genocidal tendencies.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

There are a lot of similarities... EuroYankee here on Substack has written some great articles on the history of Z-ism and where it's crossed over with the Nazis in the 1930s. Here are links to some of the articles worth reading:

https://euroyankee.substack.com/p/yes-zionism-is-nazism-heres-why

https://euroyankee.substack.com/p/israel-was-built-on-myth-and-now

https://euroyankee.substack.com/p/israel-was-built-on-myth-part-ii

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Longtrail's avatar

I'm aware of the relationship between them during the 1930's. They considered each other useful.

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michael janket's avatar

How come MSM never talks about who was behind the Bolsheviks as they romped Russia and killed tens of millions of White Christians? How about US Zios who inhabited Wall St.?

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michael janket's avatar

Why is Holodomor never mentioned by the Zio owned media?

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Because the so-called Holodomor never happened. It's pure tonypandy.

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michael janket's avatar

According to Jurij Dobczansky, Holodomor denial is easily distinguished from serious scholarship, and "generally consists of especially vitriolic anti-Western and anti-Ukrainian tirades," often accompanied by accusations of foreign influence, Nazi sympathies, or ulterior motives.[7]: 160 

Rebekah Moore argues that Western recognition of the Holodomor reflects the broader politics of genocide and victimhood, emphasizing the ongoing struggle for acknowledgment, particularly among the Ukrainian diaspora.[

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David Baird's avatar

A distinct majority of mainstream global media accepts as truth whatever statement is supportive of Israel's actions, regardless of its untested character. No matter how unarguably proven the facts asserted by Palestinians, no matter the undeniable video evidence of horrors being visited upon the victims in Gaza/West Bank, it's all either ignored, glossed over or derided as propaganda. Goebbels would be impressed by the control exerted by the perpetrators of genocide, and their defenders. In that bastion of freedom, the US, a fast-evolving autocracy, 'thought crime' cannot be too far off. Tepid imitators in other alleged 'democracies' are becoming the norm, and will no doubt become emboldened as outrages committed by the Benighted States continue with their example.

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Longtrail's avatar

We've become the 4th Reich. The neocons🇺🇸🇮🇱 and zionists🇮🇱 of AIPAC🇺🇸🇮🇱 have turned our nation into the world's foremost terrorist state. If we don't excize this AIPAC🇺🇸🇮🇱 cancer to save the life of our nation we will end like the 3rd Reich. (I wish I had a nazi flag emoji!)

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CK's avatar

Look at who owns the mainstream media.

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JennyStokes's avatar

This is why people need to protest outside all MSM

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CK's avatar

Also, look at who buys advertisements in the MSM. The MSM profits from advertising revenues.

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Kojo's avatar

Facebook and all the "social media" are mainsstream media. And is is there that the machone monitors and bombards people with brainwashing material .But people keep using these media too.

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David Baird's avatar

Yep. Can't argue.

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michael janket's avatar

Watching the US Congress fellate the Zios is putrefying.

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CK's avatar
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A substantial part of the mainstream media (MSM)!lacks legitimate professional investigative journalism/journalists. Dedicated investigative journalists are being threatened or assassinated in many parts the world.

Investigative journalism costs time and money that many news outlets are unable or unwilling to spend. Many stories in the MSM are merely repeating official propaganda or copies of stories from various branches of the MSM.

Legitimate investigative journalists are the ones who are willing to live among the people of all sides of any conflict to witness and learn the details. It takes effort, courage and humility to earn the respect of the people who can provide the details.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

We're in crazy times, and Zionism is fuelling much of it. Crazy as in genocidal.

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Brian L's avatar

We’re in a bad situation all around. We got the Blood Eyed Newt in charge of the WEF. We’ve got the Machiavellians twisting minds through narratives, we’ve got the traffickers bringing back chattel slavery, and we’ve got the genocide crew. This shit fucking sucks

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Luke's avatar

“The Irish-language hip hop trio Kneecap is being investigated by British counterterrorism police following a controversial appearance where the group performed in front of the words “FUCK ISRAEL, FREE PALESTINE” during a music festival in the United States.”

Now this is what I call an interesting conundrum lol. Ireland is being overwhelmed by Muslims who in many cases are fleeing from Israel’s (and US/West) decision to destabilize their home nation. Native Irish are being castigated for speaking out about this right and left. See Connor MacGregor interview with Tucker. In other words you can pound the shit out of White European Ancestry and probably get a reward. Criticize Israel or its people in favor of Palestine (Muslim Nation) and its curtains.

I am going to need to ponder this for a bit. 😳🤷‍♂️

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Ron Stockton's avatar

I think most Irish people would cringe at the thought of anything Connor MacGregor says as being attributed to how they think.

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Kojo's avatar

Exactly.

We live in a society where idiots are put on pedestal, just for the "qualification" of having had their face plastered all over TV and "social media" enough times.

Surely we are now only a matter of months from the time where the dunce masses will be quoting AI bots as philosophical gurus. All it takes is enough marketing.

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Luke's avatar

I think you should listen to the interview with Tucker there Ron. You might come away with a new appreciation for things that are happening. https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-conor-mcgregor

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Tom's avatar

So what's your solution? We have the same thing in the US with Venezuela, a country upon which war by any other name has been waged for decades.

But guess what: Our "south" was already fucking brown.

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Kojo's avatar

Why would anyone care about the opinion of a person who is stupid enough to participate in human dogflighting for a living? Because you saw him on TV?

This is what passes for intellectual leadership in 2025? Wow.

This society is completely brain dead.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

How did the Israeli Zionist state get so powerful? How come the whole of Europe and the USA are in thrall to the Jewish state? How have things become so brutal and savage that morally bankrupt leaders like Netanyahu and several of his team can ignore the arrest warrants from the Highest Court in the world and blatantly travel to the USA and been invited to Poland? How did it come to pass that a US President sits with a war criminal in the Oval Office and in front of its so called free media, which treats all this as normal? ( not so surprising as all US Presidents are war criminals!) Why is the world not in uproar about the on going genocide of the Palestinians? Why isn't the media pointing out that Palestinians are as human as the Ukrainians - when US/West sheds false tears for their proxy and has none for the Palestinians? Why don't they point out the incongruity of Trump and Western leaders pretending to be concerned about deaths in Ukraine and not in Palestine? While fuelling both wars?

There will be lots of academic books written on all of this, now and long after the damage is done.

Maybe they will get at the truth when Trump and his oligarchs meet their end.

The sweep of History has been building up to this tragic finale - imperialism, colonialism, settler colonialism, neo-colonialism of sabotaging the growth of former colonies, the cruelty of western values, the intense media propaganda machine fabricating and disseminating lies all over the world. The injustices and exploitative nature of Capitalism leading onto neo-liberal capitalism and to chaos.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Indu, the answer to ALL your WHY questions is quite simple really - it is a cacophony of interweaving threads of narrative control, propaganda, the pursuit of power and wealth, the systems used for such pursuits (capitalism - imperialism, colonialism, etc.), manufactured racism, class warfare, lack of critical thinking in the general population, entertainment and consumerist distraction, manipulative psychology and gaslighting, and huge swathes of populations that have been made pliant and subservient to the power elite.

And you're absolutely right - lots of academic books WILL be written, but rarely is action taken when it is most needed.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Hello Chang, You have said it better than I ever could. All your points fit well with and within my WHYs.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Power, Profits, and Prophets. It's the convergence of these three that have brought us to this moment. We need to keep each in mind at all times when analysing this disaster.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Thank you Joy.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

You are welcome. You might also find Ilan Pappe's latest book, "Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic," of interest.

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Another WorldView Is Possible's avatar

The UK has apparently decided to debase itself, by attacking absolute legends like Asa Winstanley, Richard Medhurst and a whole bunch of activists - none of whom have even come close to saying anything in support of any kind of group; proscribed for offering resistance to the Empire. So obviously something like this was coming along.

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SpringTexan's avatar

I'm so frustrated woth this suppression of free speech that I'm beginning to write on cash I spend. I was already writing anti-Elon-Musk slogans on bills but now I'm also writing "Stop Israel, stop the genocide" etc.

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SpringTexan's avatar

But I loathe some of the comments on this thread blaming "Jews" simpliciter. That's ugly.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

Say that to a Palestinian, that only knows the people that torture and kill them, call themselves Jews. These same people that call themselves Jews are supported by 85% of Americans that call themselves Jews. Where can you buy freshly killed Palestinians land? In American synagogues! The land is sold in synagogues. No, not all Jews are on board with genocide, but you’re not holding people accountable.

You can say these people are taking the religion and using it to justify their actions, and are actually German Nazis, but where is the outrage by real Jews. There are a few thousand Jews in the US, that openly oppose it. I’m not saying to round up Jewish people and hurt them. Never would I do that and never would I believe that all Jewish people are pro-genocide. At some point people have to be held accountable for what’s happening, and they need to be called out. These evil people pretending to be Jews, need to be called out if they aren’t real Jews.

Israel is a colonial outpost of the empire. The people who happily do the work of the empire, call themselves Jewish. Jews may have been tricked by Zionist into following Zionism, that’s true. Does that change who’s pulling the trigger.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Palestinians, and anyone under the gun do not have the luxury of making those fine distinctions about Jews, and Zionists, claiming to carry out atrocities in the name of Jews.

We, who are not yet under the gun, do not have the luxury of not making that distinction very clear. Not only is that distinction correct, and necessary, it may be the absolute key to our analysis and tactical response to this project.

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CK's avatar

Ignorance is pervasive. The ignorance is intentionally cultivated by the puppet masters.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

"Blinded by me, you can't see a thing." 'Bout sums it up!

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Rhys Jaggar's avatar

The Jews have put the blame for the Nazis on the entire German people - did it in 1945. So it's entirely appropriate to put the blame for the Palestinian genocide fairly and squarely on all Jews worldwide. Those that support it, those that appease it and those too cowardly to have an opinion. Oh and just to be really nasty, those that opposed it too but didn't risk their livelihoods by truly calling it out publicly.

They reap what they sowed and all that.

You can't have fairness for all Jews but guilt for all Germans - life doesn't work that way.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Not Jews, Zionists. If you still don't know the difference between the two, you're still lost and confused (and an easy scapegoat to be used by Zionists and White Supremacists).

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dale ruff's avatar

After WWII ended, the US, understanding how collective punishment of Germans after WWI, the "war to end all wars, led to the Nazis and WWII, instead selectively punished Nazi leaders and then funded thru the Marshall Plan a rebuilding of Germany. This action refutes the claim that"all Germans" were blamed for the Nazi atrocities. And even if your false claim were true, two wrongs dont' make a right, one historic criminal act (collective punishment) does not justify another. HIstory has taught us that the origins of large scale war crimes and atrocities is the racist concept of blaming a people (Jews, Muslims, immigrants, etc) and thus justifying collective punishment, including children and babies who by no stretch can be held accountable for atrocities. So stop with the racist accusations and moral illogic and join the just struggle to end the Zionist project of detroying Palestine, along with millions of Jews who embrace the ancient ethos of compassion and fairness, to defend Palestinian rights. Your false racist accusations only embolden the Zionist oppressors, who can point to your racism to deflect from their own.

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dale ruff's avatar

Millions of Jews vehemently oppose Israeli war crimes. Your comment hurts the cause by making claims of Jew-hatred credible. I can only assume you are a Zionist seeking to make the human rights case for Palestinian freedom look evil. Millions of Jews are not Zionists, as Zionism is not an ethnic fact but a nationalist movement. Groups like Jewish Voices for Peace have been active in most major protests against Israeli war crimes and for the liberation of Palestine.

Your hate speech is intended to promote hatred, but I would guess it is aimed at those of us who support Palestinian liberation, with an obvious effort to make us company to actual Jw haters.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

Millions seems to be a gross overstatement.

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Eric W Van Horn's avatar

Jews consistently control both sides of the narrative. Can you speak up against Zionism without permission from a Jew? And if it is this phony distinction “Zionism” and not just “Jews” generally, then is it okay for me to criticize a Jew who isn’t a Zionist? They were shutting down dissent or any critique way before 10/7. And ps - there is no “movement “. Movements have power. Israel does as it pleases, so obviously none of us have any power.

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dale ruff's avatar

No one in the world has been more direct and clear than Jewish scholar Noam Chomsky, now 95, about the way the narrative is framed to control, and no one has been more vehement in condemning the Zionist project to destroy Palestine:

"Chomsky also argues that the war against Gaza in 2009 was nothing less than genocide, citing evidence from the statements made by Israeli officials...."

This from an interview in 2021: "Chomsky: Without US Aid, Israel Wouldn’t Be Killing Palestinians En Masse

We must examine the Israeli government’s U.S.-backed policy of using strategies of terror to expand its territory."

Here he directly exposes the agenda of Zionism: "For what became the dominant tendency in the Zionist movement, there has been a fixed long-term goal. Put crudely, the goal is to rid the country of Palestinians and replace them with Jewish settlers cast as the “rightful owners of the land” returning home after millennia of exile.......When possible, the Israeli government — and indeed the entire Zionist movement — adopts strategies of terror and expulsion..... Of course, the mostly absurd legalistic pretenses for expelling Palestinians (Ottoman land laws and the like) are 100 percent racist. There is no thought of granting Palestinians rights to return to homes from which they’ve been expelled, even rights to build on what’s left to them........Palestinians within “Greater Israel” are confined to 165 enclaves, separated from their lands and olive groves by a hostile military, subjected to constant attack by violent Jewish gangs (“hilltop youths”) protected by the Israeli army."

America's two most prominent Jews are both robustly anti-Zionist and unafraid to expose its evil ambitions and methods.

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Eric W Van Horn's avatar

Chomsky has been a gatekeeper for decades. Basic narrative control. Again, try to have opinions without looking to a Jew for permission first.

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Tom High's avatar

Stop digging. You’re embarrassing yourself.

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dale ruff's avatar

Your racism is despicable.

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dale ruff's avatar

Bernie Sanders does; and years ago, he called Netanyahu a reactionary and a racist...."“We must understand that right now in Israel we have leadership under Netanyahu, who has recently, as you know, been indicted for bribery, who, in my view, is a racist."

From 2019: "Senator Bernie Sanders, a Democratic front-runner, said on Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was “racist,” and called for a US policy toward Israel that makes space for both Israeli security and a “pro-Palestinian” perspective."

Fast Forward 2025: Sanders sponsors a bill, calling out Israeli violations of international laws and war crime, to halt shipping of weapons to Israel, again calling Netanyahu "a racist." "Bernie Sanders Calls Netanyahu a 'RACIST' " April 4, 2025! I will note that since 2015 when he ran or President, he has had serious security protection due to the hatred directed at him by Zionists.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

Bernie is a Zionist, and that’s a fact. You’re not doing yourself any favors by using Bernie as an example. He has anti-genocide protesters forcibly removed from his rallies. Ol Bernie is a Zionist through and through! So tired of you and your bullshit democrat propaganda.

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dale ruff's avatar

Idiot.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

Tell me what I said that was I lie, motherfucker. You’re a fucking troll! You can’t even remember the lie about your age. 81 on your profile, 84 when you’re trying to garner support for your lies. Fuck off!

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michael janket's avatar

Bingo!

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

You fucking act like every Israeli prime minister hasn’t been a genocidal racist. Netanyahu isn’t any different than everyone has been. You’re a fucking troll.

Israeli security isn’t a problem of the US, unless you’re a fucking Zionist, dipshit!

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Eric W Van Horn's avatar

And yet when it comes time to vote…

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Pietro Wislon's avatar

The majority of Zionists are Christian Zionists, not all jews are Zionists, neither are all Christians.

Zionism is the interwoven belief that the same "God" that "gave" the ancient Israelites the land of "Canaan" also gave people who believe that the jew Jesus of Nazareth was, and is, the "Son of God" the absurd concept of "eternal life" in paradise in return for mere belief. Whereas, most jews and all non believers will be cast into a "pit of fire" for eternity.

What is going on in Israel /Palestine is portrayed as evidence that the end of the world and "judgement day" is close at hand.

Many Zionist Christians are rooting for this by encouraging, aiding and abetting Jewish Zionists to continue their bloodbath of Palestinians and are even calling for the bombing of Iran.

The whole world is the victim of the Religious Mania of Zionists, armed to the teeth, without constraint, trumping reason.

Religion poisons everything.

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Eric W Van Horn's avatar

Again, any pirouette, any gymnastic marvel to avoid criticizing the Jews. That’s fear, and in my estimation, cowardice.

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Kojo's avatar

Sure, this is all fine and well and good to try and down the problem in noise.

But lets just be clear what kind of religious congregations are the source of this embraceement of genocidal culture:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brooklyn-event-with-itamar-ben-gvir-cancelled-days-before-israeli-far-right-minister-s-us-trip

Mr Ben Gvir sure aint making the rounds at US churches on sundays. Because that aint where is his hardcore fan base and funders are.

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Pietro Wislon's avatar

Check out "Christians united for Israel" and all those "End Timers", bible believing scripture literalist evangelical Christians who see rhe establishment of Israel as prophesy being fulfilled, vindication of belief.

There are two strands of Zionism, jewish and christian, at present they are intertwined, mutually beneficial, but evidently united in the genocide of Palestinian arabs.

Netanyahu wrote the "War on Terror" playbook in 1996, the takedown of most of the countries on his list has happened.

(Google:Wesley Clark and 7 country list)

The US bible belt zionist christians have been hijacked along with their arsenal because of their literal reading of scripture, they, and the US government have cynically been captured by the US Zionist Lobby who welcomed Ben Gvir.

"Religion makes good people do bad things" Hitchens

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Which makes me proud to be an atheist.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"Jews are the greatest threat to free speech."

WRONG!

The U.S. EMPIRE is the greatest threat to free speech (currently). POWER is the greatest threat to free speech. AUTHORITARIANS are the greatest threat to free speech.

Maybe study the history of free speech (globally) please?

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Eric W Van Horn's avatar

The US is a Jewish controlled country, so you’d seem to be sating the same thing. Is China authoritarian? Funny that there’s no penalty there for criticizing the Jews. You do get in trouble for criticizing the state in China, because that’s where the power is. You don’t get in trouble here for criticizing the state, but you don’t get for criticizing the Jews. You can only ever be punished for speech by the group that has power. Getting the picture yet?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"The US is a Jewish controlled country"

WRONG AGAIN!

The U.S. EMPIRE is a country controlled by the system of CAPITALISM (neoliberal capitalism currently) and ruthless Capitalists (of all shapes, sizes, colors, and personalities, nationalities, ethnicities, etc.)

Maybe understand Capitalism and everything that it entails (imperialism, colonialism, etc.) please?

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Eric W Van Horn's avatar

Capitalism starts with usury. Capitalism is rent seeking. Who are the undisputed champions of the world at that? And if the empire is the power, why is there no penalty for criticizing it?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"Capitalism starts with usury."

NOPE - obviously you know ZILCH about Capitalism. STUDY Capitalism! Understand WHAT usury means. Study the history of usury. Usury existed long before Capitalism. EVERY civilization has had (and continues to have) usury - and this has existed in ALL religions, all ethnicities.

Capitalism makes usury WORSE because it makes it acceptable (and is even treated as respectable finance currently).

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dale ruff's avatar

Capitalism starts with a concept invented with the Agricultural Revolution, started about 12,000 years ago with the replacement of the egalitariann pre-civilizatinal concept of the commons, in which everyone, which to say no one, owned the land or its resources but shared. With the invention of property then arose the concept of inequality (the haves and have not), the masters and slaves, hierarchy, top-down rule, and religion to justify it (divine authorization) and war to take "property" by violence from others. We need to reclaim our ancient birthright of a sharing, egalitarian non-violent society based on sharing. Until we do, we will be slaughtering each other in the dream of taking what the others have as our own property.

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Eric W Van Horn's avatar

That’s not capitalism, that’s the market. Money. Civilization. Capitalism is investing capital with the expectation of return on investment. It need not be productive. Industrial capitalism can be productive, but we live in an oligarchy run by finance capital. They create money, then make you pay for it.

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dale ruff's avatar

You are a false flag provocateur who in a sane country or platform would be banned and possibly locked up. Criticizing Jews is hate speech when it targets the entire population The enemy, as even Hamas has made clear in its 2017 manifesto, is not the Jews but the Zionist project to destroy Palestine. Take your hate speech elsewhere; this is a community of unbigoted critics of bigotry.

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Eric W Van Horn's avatar

False flag accusations, calls for censorship…good stuff. I gather that the irony of your post escapes you! Classic.

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dale ruff's avatar

Hate speech and betrayal is the enemy of free speech. Would you, knowing how Hitler used hate speech to gain power to start wars that killed over 50 million defend his right to use speech designed to destroy freedom and millions of lives? I bet you would! In fact, I think you would support Hitler's right to hate speech out of shared hatred for the Jews...but we don't need any more Nazis, asshole. Here is the irony: tolerance of intolerance and bigotry leads to the destruction of freedom. Unchecked, hate speech such as yours leads to genocide...so back to your Zionist handlers. Hate speech like yours is the prelude to and justification for hate crimes. The irony of freedom is that speech that is designed to destroy freedom must be crushed as the enemy of freedom: that is the harsh lesson of history.

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Eric W Van Horn's avatar

There’s no such thing as hate speech. You use the language of the ruling class, and your understanding of history is basic tier History Channel stuff. 1) I don’t think you will be able to learn 2) you’re harmless to the powers that be.

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CK's avatar

Zionists are not actually Jews or Christians. Any who claim to be Jew of Christian are hypocrites.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

What do you call the dude in the video, that was part of the article? If you’re saying they don’t practice what the religion preaches, I suggest you read the Bible and the Talmud.

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CK's avatar

The word is “hypocrite”.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

No, these holy books are very good at making genocide ok. Don’t be fooled about what religion is.

It’s a creation of the elites to control masses. It makes killing and genocide acceptable. It makes people easy to control.

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