"Saying “anti-Zionism is anti-semitism” over and over again while Zionists are butchering children by the thousands is an excellent way to get people to stop caring about anti-semitism." That is exactly what is happening. Zionism has never been a religion. It has never been Judaism. Zionism is a movement that aims to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. It has become closely aligned with capitalism and has gone completely crazy in using any tactics it deems necessary to push their racist, murderous movement.
I totally agree Susan. Spirituality is based on love without any religious qualifiers such as if I am good a god will reward me here or in an afterlife. After all, in many ways virtue (or doing good) is its own reward and anyway the opposite of doing good is what? Doing bad or doing nothing when there is need to help? But to talk of spirituality and Zionism in the same breath can only be logically done if it displaying opposites. Genocide or even attempted genocide is the polar opposite of all of this.
I have been following the likes of Susan T and her comments along with so many others for quite a time, motivated as they all are to better understand the explanations and perceptive articles by Caitlin, forcing one to think and then to comment on how this seems to them.
We aren't all alike ....fortunately and react to the same comment differently, but Susan T seems to always be rational and to me and I am sure so many others, the supremacy of reason should be the basis for comment, free from arbitrary assumptions.
Ela: Susan is the type of person who is anti Zionist, anti war, anti capitalist and pro nature. I am tired of hearing people talk about Jews without specifying that they are Zionists. As others have mentioned, Christians can also be Zionists. Many non Jews who may or may not be Zionists also support what is happening in Gaza. I can't think of any reason that I would ever berate a Palestinian survivor. I will not comment on what type of person you are Ela, because I have only your comments to go by. I do find some of your comments to be a little simplistic though.
Zionism is a political organization and anybody can be a Zionist, you don’t have to be Jewish! Judaism is a religion and many Jews are not Zionists but sadly most are. I have many Jewish friends that are not Zionist and are actually strongly anti- Zionist.
I’ve learned from my friends that they are taught at a very early age like less than five to be a Zionist. The little Jewish kids are shown the most horrific videos of the German holocaust, and traumatized by it and they are told that the whole world is out to get them and they must defend themselves. Then whenever the Palestinians defend themselves Israel and the Zionists are expert at portraying the defense as an attack on the Jewish people which is a complete lie, but the Zionists have been doing it for over 70 years and are very good at it – – plus people are often stupid, and believe the propaganda and support the Zionists — very sad but true ☹️
Dazed and dysfunctional at least would say Susan. Some minority maybe turned into psychopaths as a result of their horrific childhood . But all damaged in some way by the brutalising Zionist attacks on them .Poor sad young victims.
no. I am wondering how their future lives will unfold. I wonder that about the children in Ireland, the children in Iraq too. Will some be out of control angry? Will some be chronically depressed? Will some go on to make sure the same thing does not happen to others? The IDF is purposely attacking children. How will that affect those who live? Important to think about as far as I am concerned.
I think Gabor Mate has some good discussions on this on YouTube. He talks about the trauma (not just for Palestinians but for all people) inflicted on the world by this genocide.
Neither Ireland or Iraq come even close to the sadistic and bestial atrocities committed by Jews, Israelis, Zionists against Christian and Muslim Palestinians.
Any understanding of psychology makes it clear that a traumatised, violent and abusive childhood will leave wounds in all and some severely damaged. Israel is totally responsible for all of that.
The evidence is that atrocities committed on October 7 were done by civilians who broke out after the Resistance Fighters and they attacked civilians. Since these were young men around the age of 20 who had been subjected to torture, torment and the most shocking violence since they were toddlers - sonic booms, regular bombing where friends, family, homes, lives are literally torn apart, it would be surprising if all of them were mentally well. Blame Israel.
All of those mentally sick young men, who committed atrocities, although atrocities have yet to be proven, were created by the Zionist Israeli military colonial occupation regime through its sadistic and bestial treatment of the Palestinians in general and those in the Gaza concentration camp in particular.
If Jews can still be claiming trauma, three generations on, after some ancestors experienced holocaust for around five years in WWII, then the Palestinians, after nearly 80 years of holocaust, the longest in modern history, will be in even worse shape.
What is remarkable about the Palestinians is that most have remained sane, civilized and admirable people. They stand as a testament to courage and nobility of spirit.
If Jews can get reparation and compensation from those who oppressed some Jews in WWII then the Palestinians will be entitled to vastly more from Jews, Zionists and Israelis who have oppressed and persecuted them because they are Muslims and Christians for nearly a century.
When I observe the incredible resilience and deep faith of the Palestinians in the face of this genocide, I am astonished. Imagine if this were happening in the West, particularly in the US. The population would be doing the oppressors ‘ work for them.
The erosion of a formerly cohesive high trust society, through a persistent program of demoralization, has produced the desired result: a fractured society at each other's throats, doing the bidding of their owners, while upholding the illusion that they are free.
Most people have heard of Jesus Christ, considered the Messiah by Christians, and who lived 2000 years ago. But very few have ever heard of Sabbatai Zevi, who declared himself the Messiah in 1666. By proclaiming redemption was available through acts of sin, he amassed a following of over one million passionate believers, about half the world's Jewish population during the 17th century.Although many Rabbis at the time considered him a heretic, his fame extended far and wide. Sabbatai's adherents planned to abolish many ritualistic observances, because, according to the Talmud, holy obligations would no longer apply in the Messianic time. Fasting days became days of feasting and rejoicing. Sabbateans encouraged and practiced sexual promiscuity, adultery, incest and religious orgies.After Sabbati Zevi's death in 1676, his Kabbalist successor, Jacob Frank, expanded upon and continued his occult philosophy. Frankism, a religious movement of the 18th and 19th centuries, centered on his leadership, and his claim to be the reincarnation of the Messiah Sabbatai Zevi. He, like Zevi, would perform "strange acts" that violated traditional religious taboos, such as eating fats forbidden by Jewish dietary laws, ritual sacrifice, and promoting orgies and sexual immorality. He often slept with his followers, as well as his own daughter, while preaching a doctrine that the best way to imitate God was to cross every boundary, transgress every taboo, and mix the sacred with the profane. Hebrew University of Jerusalem Professor Gershom Scholem called Jacob Frank, "one of the most frightening phenomena in the whole of Jewish history".Jacob Frank would eventually enter into an alliance formed by Adam Weishaupt and Meyer Amshel Rothschild called the Order of the Illuminati. The objectives of this organization was to undermine the world's religions and power structures, in an effort to usher in a utopian era of global communism, which they would covertly rule by their hidden hand: the New World Order. Using secret societies, such as the Freemasons, their agenda has played itself out over the centuries, staying true to the script. The Illuminati handle opposition by a near total control of the world's media, academic opinion leaders, politicians and financiers. Still considered nothing more than theory to many, more and more people wake up each day to the possibility that this is not just a theory, but a terrifying Satanic conspiracy. https://www.ebay.com/itm/395421811658?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28
So, your not one of Satans Talmudic,Chosen Ones? Becareful!!! Read the Noahide Laws, Amelia! You think the jews care about you? They want all us Goys dead, you included!!! Wakey² my dear!
I am terribly sorry that you hate Jews. It must be a terrible burden to hold that ugliness in your heart. But, I enjoyed insulting you this afternoon. Have a nice life.
"Reverends" are normally not Jewish. Are you saying that you are a Jewish Reverend? How does that work exactly. At any rate, Islam may not be the most evil religion, but it is certainly in the top 3.
I ask for qualification when I DO meet someone who DECLARES themselves Jewish. There are two kinds; ordinary people and Zionist Spy Traitors whose loyalty is not to Australia, the Land (as opposed to loyalty to the filthy Marxist, Zionist Australian Federal Government).
I’m a Jew and know full well the propaganda growing up to support Israel. Such is plugged in synagogues and youth organizations but it’s no excuse to be Zionist unless you’re simply an amoral person or an ignoramus. It isn’t “The Jews” because many Jews despise Zionism, particularly the youth, but Zionism is an indelible stain on the Jewish people and we have remarkably stripped ourselves of sympathy for The Nazi Holocaust, a truly horrific event. Easily as gross as Zionism is the fact Germany and the U.S. have used it to commit another genocide while absolving themselves of guilt for causing the Holocaust via funding Hitler and fostering psychotic eugenic ideas.
Arraya, I have a question for you - what does Zionism mean for you? Various people have different interpretations (and historical knowledge) of Zionism, and sometimes misunderstanding occurs because of these differences).
it's pretty simple really. The dictionary definition suffices
Zionism, Jewish nationalist movement that has had as its goal the creation and support of a Jewish national state in Palestine, the ancient homeland of the Jews (Hebrew: Eretz Yisraʾel, “the Land of Israel”).
Yeah it sounds so innocent but it involved displacing and criminalizing 1 million Palestinian Arabs before 1967 and 750000 before 1948 only to brutalize them in permanent occupation and now genocide. Even the Palestinian Israelis are treated badly with separate laws and not to mention were mostly internally displaced after 1948 and held under martial law until 1966. How else are you going to have a Jewish state there and maintain a mandate? At its core the only justification for Zionism is that the world wants to kill Jews, very similar to Nazi paranoia necessitating their need to dominant the lessers. If you’re a Zionist and want a secular state for all, including Jews, great. It’s great Jews have gone there—they were there for ages but to do so to perpetuate a majority via genocide and displacement is a disgrace to everything Jewish and moral.
Does it bother you that in order to create a Jewish national state in Palestine, existing Palestinian Arabs had to be removed or their freedoms severely restricted (by any means necessary) to make such a state a reality?
I believe in neither Satan nor God, or good versus evil. IMO as a Pagan, there is only right and wrong. I most certainly believe in psychopathy which is collectively affecting the IsraHeili regime.
Nature is my “god”. Mother Nature will certainly punish us for what we’ve done to her beautiful planet; she will vomit us out like the parasites that we are. Good riddance to Homo sapiens, and may a more intelligent species take stewardship of the earth.
Gypsy33: Mother nature would not punish us for anything. She would not need to. People have upset the balance. The environment is a mess because of a few greedy power seeking humans. But mother nature does not punish. She just leaves things as they are and the results of human interference happen by themselves. I cannot say good riddance to homo sapiens. I am old. My grandchildren still have many years to go.
What an ugly ass thing to say - "good riddance to Homo sapiens". Some of the most beautiful children I know are homo sapiens. Some of the most beautiful things in life come from "homo sapiens". Fuck off gypsy, with your nihilistic HATRED of humanity. You said you were leaving this forum a few months ago - man I sure wish you kept your word on that. Sure would have been a good riddance for many of us here - not having to read your sorry ass, misanthropic comments.
My friend, reading that bothered me also however I understand people no longer have hope in great numbers. I wrote something yesterday to a friend I wished I could take back. I wrote, I believed we are closer to nuclear war now than ever in our history. I think now it will happen hearing people supposedly in charge in washington, believe nuclear war is winnable. I should never have written that even though I believe it, she didn't need to read me say something we both had left unsaid. I am ugly and I am sorry.
I believe the nuclear is coming too but to say that all humans deserve it is a bit much.
Somebody human is behind the systems that are currently in effect grooming babies and kids to become either outright monsters or uncaring robots caught up in the system's gears. It's those who deserve wiping out.
Proper religions cover the condition but arrogant militant atheists - who are human btw - of course know better.
I understand. I'm pretty pissed off right now at how often a level of incredible arrogance seems to be always coupled with unreflective ignorance. As someone wise once said, a jackass ne'er can know their own reflection in a pool.
And THIS is where it all started. Telling me to Fuck Off for expressing a legitimate opinion, Jammikins.
I don’t give a flying fuck how many symphonies humans have composed, it is US who are bringing this planet to destruction.
I have three incredible grandchildren. If they die due to what we are inflicting on this planet, their spirits will be in a better place, much as my own will.
Yesterday evening I sat on my back deck drinking coffee, smoking cigarettes and listening to a chorus of tree frogs while watching the light show performed by the fireflies. SO MUCH SUPERIOR than anything any human could produce.
"I can't think of a thing." - that would include you, I presume. Hence the question - why are you still with us?
You must be really angry at your parents for having sex resulting in your becoming an ugly fetus. And you must be really angry at your mother for not having aborted you in time. But you know what, there's still ways and means to end the misery. But somehow you still "can" think of a thing (or two) to remain here. What does that make you, Pintada?
I say that the average South American frog species that I have never seen, and that humanity is driving extinct has as much right to life as humanity has. My personal preference would be the innocent frog should survive, and perhaps because that frog has done no evil in the world its rights should supersede the rights of people.
Got stuck, aren't ya? You won't answer my question because it was rhetorical. You are either a coward or a fraud, Pintada. That's what follows from your brainfarts.
Almost anything written by J.S. Bach would be one of the most beautiful things that humans have done. You can listen to his music at anytime due to modern technology not yet having found a way to weed out the beautiful.
Funny you mention Bach. Was just listening to Beethoven's Piano Concerto No. 5 in E-flat, op. 73 this morning. He wrote it at age 39, in 1809. Maynard Solomon writes in his illuminating book on Beethoven, that the concerto was unparalleled in its grandeur and majestic elegance. The clip I was listening to was Bernstein conductor, and Wiener Philharmoniker, with the astonishing pianist - one of the greatest in this last century, Krystian Zimerman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDXWK3W477w
The unsurpassing beauty of Beethoven's music, one cannot put into words.
And by listening to your stereo, you blot out all bird song and the sound of the wind, and the creaking of the forest branches. Bach vs Nature? Nature wins hands down.
Lou Pintada: Don't be silly. The comparison of music and nature is not an either or situation. Music exists in nature and nature exists in music. Or can your brain only see one positive at a time?
The question was what right does humanity have to exist? Do we as humans have more right to exist than the 200 to 400 of species that go extinct largely because humanity caused that extinction? The answer is NO.
Fine, you like music. So do I. The problem is that the production of that music kills. Perhaps music is one of the least harmful activities humanity engages in, but it is harmful. Thousands of people driving thousands of cars to the venue. The performers jetting in from wherever (of course flying in private jets). Sure, we can enjoy <insert-favorite-artform-here>, we think it is cool/beautiful. What was destroyed during or because of its production?
_bot said, "Do you realize that your commenting here kills? The amount of infrastructure it takes for your brainfarts to be delivered and become available? The equipment you use to produce it? The stink? How can you live with that?"
Actually, he (of course) understand it, but he raises a good point that I have observed for decades. There is a certain type of person that thinks that if something inconveniences him, it doesn't exist. Or, if he likes something, it can't cause harm.
For example:
Does global warming exist? "NO! Al Gore is a hypocrite, so global warming is a farce."
Must we worry about chem-trails? "YES! The gu'ment said that they are not spraying chemicals into the air."
I agree gypsy. From what I've seen - I'm fast losing faith in humanity (though I don't want to). I don't understand a world where humans have done the kinds of things they have done - to other humans and the planet. I don't understand the complicity, nonchalance, ignorance, active resistance, herd mentality, ruthlessness, selfisness, and outright psychopathy of people that support the Gaza genocide (for whatever reasons).
Maybe homo sapiens have lost the privilege of being a part of this world. Maybe evolution needs to go on steroids to create a better species.
As another commenter mentioned, the TV series "Sweet Tooth" echoes this sentiment.
The #1 reason humanity needs to go is because of whom we allow to DICTATE to us. We are the many; they are the few, and yet we still allow it to continue.
It cracks me up that some idiots here believe that humans are a “ superior species” because we invented flaming arrows, catapults, guillotines, gunpowder, electric chairs and all manner of delightful things. We are, as you’re well aware, the only species that kills ( murders) for the sake of killing.
Human babies are not only ugly (yeah, I’m gonna take some shit for that one) with their oversized heads and wrinkly skin, but also completely helpless. A foal can stand on its long spindly legs within minutes of birth. We had a recent hatch of kildeers on our property; they exit their shells running.
And let’s take cats. Cats can see in the dark; jump many times their own height; jump or fall from a great distance and land on their feet; and have cool retractable switchblades.
Let’s imagine a scenario Chang. Put a man, a dog, a horse and a cat in a wilderness with no possibility of reaching civilization. Who will survive?
The cat. Probably the horse. Unlikely, but possibly the dog.
That IQ of yours is on full display and quite sparkly! Btw - ask your Einstein pal how many bits it required and then compare it to mine 😉
Human babies are ugly eh? Heads are too big? Weenies are too small and limp? Vaginas are inoperational? Not ready for prime time right off the bat, eh? What the fuck are you even talking about?
As to "because we invented" shit - tell me why did you get that Kalashnikov once again? Why not just use your tits for when they come for you? If they do indeed (why the fuck would they bother?)
No need to reply - it's not for you. Just like that Pintada dimwit - you provide good material to expose for others' entertainment's sake.
I agree with you to a certain point (before the sentence "And let's take...).
Each species has its own purpose. Each species has its own defenses for survival. Each species will thrive in a particular environment, and each species will die off in a particular environment.
I, personally, am not too impressed with humanity's progress or evolution. Maybe I was hoping for too much and had high expectations? Maybe that is the reason I am disappointed with homo-sapiens?
It's a crass generalization, about as crass as insisting all Jews are genocidal Zionists. Obviously not all human beings support blowing up the planet or support genocide. It's an unreflective, hate filled way to view the world and it's a blanket, false generalization - as all ignorant stereotypes are false, ugly, crass. And this one is particularly offensive to the human spirit.
As Ralph Waldo Emerson once wrote in his essay "Immortality":
"The skeptic affirms that the universe is a nest of boxes with nothing in the last box. All laughter at man is bitter, and puts us out of good activity. When Bonaparte insisted that the heart is one of the entrails, that it is the pit of the stomach that moves the world - do we thank him for the gracious instruction? Our disgust is the protest of human nature against a lie."
"The ground of hope is in the infinity of the world; which infinity reappears in every particle, the powers of all society in every individual, and of all mind in every mind."
Of course it is a crass generalization. It is a subjective interpretation, not an objective one. It is an emotional statement made by observing the depravity, callousness, and reactions of humans (in general) towards other humans and ecological systems from events in history (at least those that we know about).
Of course there is a lot of good in humanity (that should be obvious to anyone). But deciding whether the good outweighs the bad is a subjective evaluation.
As is Atheism and Nihilism (a subjective interpretation). There is still plenty of open questions regarding reality and Atheists (especially know-it-all Skeptic Atheists) don't have a fucking corner on truth. Nor did Bonaparte know everything about "reality".
No one has a corner on the truth. Not athiesm, religions, nihilism, or anything else. I don't know why you think that athiests believe that they know everything or are always right.
I'm a skeptical athiest. I'm always questioning everything (including by own assumptions and beliefs). That's what it means to be a skeptic - to question everything and not believe something just because it sounds believable, supports one's confirmation biases, or makes one feel good.
There are fanatical athiests just as there are religious fanatics.
Didn't Jesus call them(the jews) The Synangogue of Satan, and didn't they kill the Son of God The Creator? Why the heck would they do that unless they have a different non- human god?
"Jesus" actually existed as far as I can tell, and he was a confidence artist that actually thought he could raise an army and defeat the Romans. Of course the Jesus you think of "Reverend" would be evil personified.
There's no contemporary, third-person evidence of Jesus / Yeshua ever existing.
Josephus's account was written down approximately fifty years after the fact and was ultimately hearsay. The earliest New Testament book, Mark, was written approximately 70 AD, around the time of the destruction of the Temple.
Jesus - Da fuck outta here with that nonsense. You are liars and murders, Your father is the devil
Origen was a 2nd or 3rd century Christian writer in Palestine . Read his stuff and it provides a lot of interesting views on Jewish Christian relations at the time
He said of the Jews, who recently had their temple destoryed and got kicked out of Jerusalem by Rome and were having a rough time with it
"As they had no altar, no temple, no priest, and therefore no offerings of sacrifices, they felt that their sins remained with them, and that they had no means of obtaining pardon."
And then they have this growing religion worshipping a guy that they intensely despised(whether factual or not). Remember religious Jews are messianic (waiting for the messiah) but they rejected Jesus. They are still waiting
And ya get this, Origen again discussing on the Jews were okay with pagans but....,.
"That is why even now the Jews are not roused against the Gentiles, against those who worship idols and blaspheme God. No, they do not hate them(PAGANS), nor does their indignation blaze against them.
But it is against the Christians that they are consumed with an insatiable hatred, Christians who have abandoned idols and are converted to God!"
Then 1800 years later the first Rabbi of the British Mandate of Palestine and a founding father of religious zionism said Christianity is a "a spiritual blight upon the world" and will be destroyed
Or the Jewish settlers that say spitting on Christians is jewish custom
All that comes from hatred of A mythical character that argued with them in some verses in an old book
I am jewish by my mother and spiritual but not religious. I notice more and more rabies are explaining that the idea of an Israeli state goes against the fundamental beliefs of religious Jews. That's a nice paradox !
it is the same behaviour as the rest of the paranoid delusional exalted right wingers: they always see themselves as the victims and do not live in reality; it's called psychosis
at this point left winger is a moot label... There is such a confusion of genres that nobody qualifies as progressive anymore, wether that even used to hold water of not. Same applies to co derivative or christian. Everyone has gone howling mad and intolerant
If anything (IMO) traditional Judaism is primarily based on the faith and belief that living a moral life is paramount and does have an ultimate meaning, as opposed to becoming someone who oppresses others for one's own Materialistic gains.
Religion has NOTHING to do with being a good person and living a moral life. If you have to do “god’s bidding” just in order to “save your soul”, then you basically suck as a human being.
You live a moral life because it’s the RIGHT THING TO DO, not because some imaginary deity told you to.
Naughty me though: I put Gypsy curses on Genocide Joe and Satanyahu. I think they’re working 😁
Those are all means, or transport, or media, or expression, or... I'm interested in the ultimate source of the notions, before they were incorporated into those forms.
i think they evolved with humanity. in a some era during our evolution these attitudes comprised an evolutionary advantage in the survival, prosperity and progress of our species. they seem basic to cooperation.
That's your OPINION. Don't SHOVE it down everyone else's throat. Your OPINION. If someone wants to believe in RELIGION then let them. Because no one knows HOW OR WHY THE FUCK REALITY EVEN EXISTS, and SCIENCE DOESN'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE WHAT CONSCIOUSNESS IS ALL ABOUT. And you as sure as fuck don't know.
Prove we Orbit the Sun?😎🤣 Prove NASA DOESNT OWN THE SOURSE CODE FOR GPS(Ground Positioning System, not Global?) Or Prove that WE aren't the center of our World Plane, and not the jewsuit sun Worshipper's? What? Can't can ya? It is Impossiball Moran!
It has to have been a Creator God! "Belief is the Enemy of Knowledge"!
I'll just toss q few ideas up in the air here. I'm in a mellow good space right now and not trying to start any arguments. They are right today, Zionism isn't a religion, it's a political idea that's a smaller part of a small religion. I am nominally a protestant, and Judaism reminds me of Protestantism in that both religions have lots of factions and splinter groups and what not. Many of them contradict eachother, so sometimes it seems like you are likely to find a faction that already believes what you believe already. If you can only find it.
There are some strains of Judaism that believe that Jews aren't supposed to return to the Holy Land until the Savior has come to Earth. And they don't see the Savior, so it ain't time yet for Jews to be in Israel. The funny part being that many of the Jews who follow this line of thought, are already living in Israel!!! What I get from that is that: There are always contradictions in everything when it comes to people being involved, so I don't worry about it too much.
There are lots of other factions and sects. Jews for Jesus, Conservative, orthodox, ultra-orthodox, etc. and maybe you'll find a religion for you. Whatever the other half of your heritage is... or something else entirely. Only you can decide.
Zionism basically amounts to: The jews should all live together in their homeland, and that homeland is Israel. It's only about 150 years old, so it's a new-fangled idea.
If a jew doesn't want to go back to Israel, then they've just got to find a place where they can live in peace and safety. They have been persecuted a lot in the past, so they need to remember to make escape plans for if things go real bad.
But basically, jews are just people like any group of humans, so it's a patchwork of good and bad. And the jews themselves get a strong reaction from other peoples, both for and against.
Life is a paegent and masquerade just like the song says. Enjoy all that you can of it.
In 1796, Napoleon was appointed commander of the French army in Italy. Following his victories in the battlefield, he was sent in 1798 to conquer Egypt with the intention of going on to take India from the British. He invaded the Holy Land and seized control of the coastal trip up to Acre. His army was stopped from gaining more ground by Ottoman forces backed by the British.
During the siege, he prepared a proclamation, actually a letter to the Jewish Nation, expressing his belief that the time had come for the “Rightful heirs of Palestine” to seize the moment, “which may not return for thousands of years,” and restore “your political existence as a nation among the nations, and the unlimited natural right to worship Jehovah in accordance with your faith, publicly and most probably forever (Joel 4,20).”
Napoleon expected to occupy Acre and move on to Jerusalem where he would issue the proclamation, which was dated April 20, 1799 (the first day of Passover). It didn’t happen, however, because he was forced to retreat from Acre on May 22, 1799, and subsequently left the Holy Land. A year later, on August, 16, 1800, Napoleon declared: “If I governed a nation of Jews, I should reestablish the Temple of Solomon.”
Maybe not 150 years old. You might be surprised to learn that Christian Zionism goes back to 16th Century England, including some fanatics called Puritans. This has been a deep, and relatively silent current running beneath the so-called secular Western world for far longer than most of us were aware of. Profits and p/Prophets. What could be worse?
Babbling about prophecy fullfilment and messianic fervor in Christianity goes back that far (Catholics did not do it) , though calling it zionism may not be the best language
Likewise, Jews day dreaming , saying prayers, wishing to go back to Israel goes back to their exile.
You could also say the Jewish zionism always existed.
The Puritians named Salem after Jerusalem. They had dreams of the new world being a prophesized utopian society . Interestingly enough, they lobbied the English crown to remove their restriction on Jews due to their eschological outlook where Jews had to gather again.
The modern zionist political project, however, can be traced back to the early 19th century when leading Jews declared the exile over . Rabbis created a framework for religious zionism . Namely, Judah Alkalai (Herzl's father was a big fan of Alkalai's work).
Darby and Scholfield are the seeds of current Christian zionism, with their Dispensationalism
I've always liked that profits & prophets zinger. It's a classic. Now... I don't know much about this low-profile current of Zionism in Western Culture and its connection with the Puritans. I remember a few tidbits about Cotton & Increase Mather, probably wouldn't have gotten along with them. Nothing else really comes to mind, Would you tell me a little something about it. Or at least point me in the right direction. I'd like to know more.
Find the entry for Christian Zionism on Wikipedia. It's a good starting place. Note, it is not connected there to a search for History of Zionism, as a political entry. In addition, there are a few names whose influence might have run beneath the radar, such as Thomas Brightman, "In 1615 his work "Shall They Return to Jerusalem Again?" was published, advocating the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, one of the first Christians to do so. 'There is nothing more certain: the prophets do everywhere confirm it and beat upon it.'"
Chapter 2 of Ilan Pappe, "Ten Myths About Israel," is an eye-opener, but doesn't really delve into what happened to those various strains, and religious movements, other than noting they pre-date political Zionism.
Several important names include François-René Chateaubriand who he quotes as influencing Napoleon, "the Jews were 'the legitimate masters of Judea.'"
How about this? US President John Adams, wrote in 1819, "I really wish the Jews again in Judea, as an independent nation." Sound like anything you are familiar with in US history? I sure wasn't.
Lord Shaftsbury, an important leader in England, influenced Lord Balfour and Shaftsbury's own father-in-law, Lord Palmerston, who became the British Prime Minister.
I have been looking for a book that does a deep dive into the Christian Zionists, and where they spread their roots, from the 16 Century to the present day. I haven't found it yet.
I am certain, that the imperviousness of the Zionist project ot logic, reason, and humanity is due to the religious zeal that has been carrying this for nearly 500 years. We need to know more about this, and we ignore this aspect at our peril.
In a recent Glenn Greenwald interview with two NYC Hassidic Rabbis, the two thoughtful gentlemen went beyond the often heard "diametrically opposed" language used to describe the relationship between Judaism and Zionism, and emphasizing the key relationship of Judaism to a supreme being of Love, blatantly pegged Zionism as a full-fledged corruption of Judaism, essentially "nothing but a shitty political ideology stripped bare of all spirituality."
Orthodox rabbis agree with you completely. Glenn Greenwald interviewed two of them who explained how the creation of the state of Israel (by secularists) and the cruelty to the people of Gaza were absolute violations of specific commandments of God, who decreed that we weren’t spiritually evolved enough to return to the holy land.
“ Theodor Herzl, Ben-Gurion, and Prime Weitzman. These are people who are purely non-religious anti-God and anti-religion. They simply wanted to create a state for their feelings, for their emotions, for their will to have their nationhood. And this is totally contradictory to the concept of exile. … So, the whole concept of Zionism is really antithetical and contradictory to Judaism. The rabbinical authorities around the world were in total opposition to this movement of Zionism prior to the establishment of the State of Israel while it was being developed in Europe. And all the rabbis we put out a book called “The Rabbi Speak Out.” Well, we compiled, 130 years of religious Jewish opposition to Zionism, these are the major, the leading authorities, Torah authorities from around the world, and each in their style spoke up and said that we as Jews are forbidden to try to establish our own nationhood. They spoke against Zionism, the leaders and the corruption, and that it's not Judaism.” There’s lots more transcript but I can’t find how to link to it and it’s probably paywalled. Here’s the link to video of the episode. https://rumble.com/v52ctvf-system-update-show-284.html
Ben Gurion thanked Rabbi's Ben Shlomo Alkalai and Zvi Kalischer in his speech when he was inaugrated for the modern zionist project. Herzl stepped in front of a project that was well underway since he was in diapers. Interestringly, Herzl's father was a follower of Alkalai (likely not a coincidence)
There certainly was dissent within Judaism on religious grounds for a while but it evaporated pretty quickly after the establishment of the state. Any dissenent today is neglible
Plently of orthodox settlers carrying out ethnic cleansing in occupied territory with the talmud in their hands. Actually orthodox tend to be the most pious religious zionists
Although backing Israel is arguably somewhat about imperial projection of power, in the U.S. it appears a huge part of backing Israel is just plain corruption and bribery at every level of society fostered over decades. The U.S. doesn’t need Israel for anything.
Some Zionist Christians support the modern version of the State of Israel because they believe such an entity must exist before the Apocalypse - and Rapture of the "chosen" (ie themselves, or so they believe) - can occur.
I wish I was kidding.
Somewhat paradoxically Jews will be condemned to Hell for eternity, along with all the other nonbelievers. Or so they believe. (No one can enter Heaven except by being Born Again™️)
And let's not forget, the early impetus for the Zionism of today, came from 16th Century England, including those pesky Puritans. We all know where they ended up, and some of the trouble they caused. Salem, MA, anyone?
Yes you can and thank you very much. I was worried that maybe the only reactions I was going to get were going to be all negative and time wasting. But you and at least a few others seem to have gotten something useful out of it. I'm glad.
I also once drank the imperial koolaide but now have spat it out & expunged it from my system.. what I now have is my humanity. The humanity that the overlords are trying to take away through propaganda, debt to buy shiny new things, forever wars, AI, etc.. .. incidentally, someone clever said, ‘I wanted AI to do my laundry and dishes so I can do art and writing not for it to do my art and writing so I can do my laundry and dishes’..
Yes Diana, I can relate having not only drunk the koolaid but worked for the USA empire for many years doing super bad things. It took me almost ten years after retiring to unbrainwash myself. Janis Joplin helped me undo some of the damage listening to her at full blast in my car. Having worked on the inside all those years has one benefit, tho. I know who speaks the truth and Caitlin and others on Substack writing about the Western Empire are absolutely right on. I was a spokesperson for the empire and said complete fallacies.
All the things you say about Zionism is true. The one fact that people tend to forget is that history didn’t begin on October 7, 2023. Zionism has been striving for what they have today since the 1880s. Back then Palestine was under the thumb of the Ottoman Empire. It was a good deal for the Palestinians from the standpoint that they weren’t being murdered. It didn’t go bad for them until World War One when the British defeated the Ottomans.
The Balfour Declaration of 1917
was negotiated by the British government and the Zionists with no input from the Palestinians. It became law that Zionists would take over any part of Palestine they wanted. Palestinian Arabs didn’t like the idea and fought the Zionists any way they could. That Battle has been ongoing since then.
Another point is that standard Zionist propaganda is that if you are against Zionism, you are practicing Antisemitism. Biden has said that, which is total bullshit. In order to understand what Antisemitism is you need to understand what a Semite is. Look it up in any dictionary you’ll find that Semites are both Jews and Arabs, as they came from the same roots. If you are against Arabs, you are practicing Antisemitism.
Palestinians as a race didn't exist in the 1880's the residentidents of Palestine were mainly Jews and Arabs with of course, a smattering of other ethnic people.
I find myself not only agreeing with almost everything you write but wondering why almost nobody else in the MSM and in the mainstream alternative media can write with the piercing objectives clarity that you can manage to do. Excellent once again Caithlin.
"Saying “anti-Zionism is anti-semitism” over and over again while Zionists are butchering children by the thousands is an excellent way to get people to stop caring about anti-semitism."
Ain't it funny how the slanders "you're like a Holocaust denier because you point out Israel's lies!" have lost their sting?
"Gaza, in addition to everything else it’s been these last eight months, has provided the left with an opportunity to reassess itself and its priorities, and to feel into just how powerful it can be when it can lay aside all the sectarian feuding and petty quibbling and social media spats to focus on something that’s more important than any of us. We can change the world if we can all get over ourselves and shove hard toward the highest interest."
conservative? Member of the Santa Cruz County Republican Women's Federation. Relocated 2020 to Cook County IL. I've spoken wth those fellow Federation friends. They too are outraged. They too are viewing the carnage on X. They have written to Gavin Newsome stop this in the name of those maimed children! Get them medical assistance. Get them water, food, electricity, and shelter from this brutal storm! Stop bombing. Stop sending our tax dollars to Netanyahu. I have sent the same demands to whitehouse.gov Tag your it - your turn. We gotta do something. Arguing capitalism at this point seems a broken record - I toss that out cuz I read the other valid comments. Warmongers wear both red & blue. I call them the purple people eaters.
I'm a libertarian, and I'm grateful for Candace Owens, Ron Paul, and other voices from the right who are speaking out against what is happening in Gaza.
Me too. Judge Napolitano libertarian- his YT has been a wonderfully “informative” source against our current totalitarianism leadership. Ism another ism - seems we’ve lived under ism’s all my 66 yrs. Fascism, communism, capitalism, liberalism, Zionism. We have become our ism’s. Is there an ism for democrat-democracy ism or just a donkey (kicking a bucket) ? Cracy and Ism in government over the yrs I’ve heard the cracy & ism echo chambering on the trusted mass media platforms. Seems that republican ism is now the elephant on the table. Pronoun “they-them” is purple. Red + Blue no matter what when mixed = purple.
My experience- I resided in Santa Cruz Ca for 50 yrs. I hung out wth the ultimate California dreamers. I watched Silicon Valley burst into a rich man’s trick. I volunteered wth foodnotbombs.net for years. I even smoked the best weed grown in back yards. Once I asked to be excused from a public school board meeting early. The superintendent asked why. I’m attending the annual Santa Cruz Republican Womens Federation, rewards, recognition, banquet ceremony. I quote “they award fascism” Pro lifer’s. Warmongers. Capitalism. Due to my years as recognized fund raising member of the PTA, parent teacher association- I was excused. My federation award was for “compassion” I was James the chauffeur, the Uber driver, for the members who could no longer drive. Further more over 1/2 of our members thought and said “abortion is a private matter, a matter of privacy” *get the government out of our bedrooms!
Who established that "apparent fact"? What is considered "reactionary" and by whom? Aren't these assumptions exactly what prompts people to always deem left superior?
I write a lot about spirituality on my Substack and I couldn’t agree more. You’re right when you mention we all have that inner part of us that longs for something — hence the religious pull. Zionism, and other false religious ideas, pull on that human piece in us and practice the art of Menticide of us (mental killing): https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/democide-and-menticide
The more we know about our spiritual world, the more we can spot false religions like Zionism:
“This obvious genocide is not what it looks like. Don’t believe your lying eyes or your lying ears or your lying mind or your lying heart.”
The message from the MSM is clear: Don't believe any of your lying senses! You should only trust the senses of the oligarchs and their trusted minions that peddle their propaganda. You'll be much happier that way because you'll be completely ignorant of what they really want to do with us all. Let's hope the end is swift and painless for we the ignorant, but don't count on it.
The obvious response to this obvious genocide is to believe everything you've seen, heard and felt. Genocide is horrific. Period. Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is horrid as well. Stop listening to them and fight back.
You realize that the US and Israel both signed up to this convention in 1948. They know what it means. They know they're breaking the convention. They understand what the punishment is. Read the entire document. Learn something. This is how international law works.
It's not crap. All things have to be taken in context, and even that one death must be accompanied by the requisite intent for the crime to rise to the level of genocide.
(Incidentally, genocide scholars generally agree that there is a minimum threshold for Section 1, though this must be tested in every real instance. This is an academic debate, whereas what ultimately matters is what the World Court and the Tribunals determine in real cases.)
Just because YOU don't like the definition of genocide under the Genocide Convention doesn't mean it stops being law.
Top piece. Thanks for deconstructing these utterly vile people who have always been with us. Whether they're narcissistic psychos or Satan's army they will destroy us all if they're not stopped.
"Saying “anti-Zionism is anti-semitism” over and over again while Zionists are butchering children by the thousands is an excellent way to get people to stop caring about anti-semitism." That is exactly what is happening. Zionism has never been a religion. It has never been Judaism. Zionism is a movement that aims to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. It has become closely aligned with capitalism and has gone completely crazy in using any tactics it deems necessary to push their racist, murderous movement.
I totally agree Susan. Spirituality is based on love without any religious qualifiers such as if I am good a god will reward me here or in an afterlife. After all, in many ways virtue (or doing good) is its own reward and anyway the opposite of doing good is what? Doing bad or doing nothing when there is need to help? But to talk of spirituality and Zionism in the same breath can only be logically done if it displaying opposites. Genocide or even attempted genocide is the polar opposite of all of this.
https://substack.com/@merrick1/note/c-59666997
Seems a little out of order, Ela.
I have been following the likes of Susan T and her comments along with so many others for quite a time, motivated as they all are to better understand the explanations and perceptive articles by Caitlin, forcing one to think and then to comment on how this seems to them.
We aren't all alike ....fortunately and react to the same comment differently, but Susan T seems to always be rational and to me and I am sure so many others, the supremacy of reason should be the basis for comment, free from arbitrary assumptions.
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Ela: Susan is the type of person who is anti Zionist, anti war, anti capitalist and pro nature. I am tired of hearing people talk about Jews without specifying that they are Zionists. As others have mentioned, Christians can also be Zionists. Many non Jews who may or may not be Zionists also support what is happening in Gaza. I can't think of any reason that I would ever berate a Palestinian survivor. I will not comment on what type of person you are Ela, because I have only your comments to go by. I do find some of your comments to be a little simplistic though.
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Zionism is a political organization and anybody can be a Zionist, you don’t have to be Jewish! Judaism is a religion and many Jews are not Zionists but sadly most are. I have many Jewish friends that are not Zionist and are actually strongly anti- Zionist.
I’ve learned from my friends that they are taught at a very early age like less than five to be a Zionist. The little Jewish kids are shown the most horrific videos of the German holocaust, and traumatized by it and they are told that the whole world is out to get them and they must defend themselves. Then whenever the Palestinians defend themselves Israel and the Zionists are expert at portraying the defense as an attack on the Jewish people which is a complete lie, but the Zionists have been doing it for over 70 years and are very good at it – – plus people are often stupid, and believe the propaganda and support the Zionists — very sad but true ☹️
I wonder how the traumatized children of Gaza are going to be in the future.
Dazed and dysfunctional at least would say Susan. Some minority maybe turned into psychopaths as a result of their horrific childhood . But all damaged in some way by the brutalising Zionist attacks on them .Poor sad young victims.
no. I am wondering how their future lives will unfold. I wonder that about the children in Ireland, the children in Iraq too. Will some be out of control angry? Will some be chronically depressed? Will some go on to make sure the same thing does not happen to others? The IDF is purposely attacking children. How will that affect those who live? Important to think about as far as I am concerned.
I think Gabor Mate has some good discussions on this on YouTube. He talks about the trauma (not just for Palestinians but for all people) inflicted on the world by this genocide.
Remember how that jew bitch slimy Whore of Babylon, 'Albright', said "it was worth it. that we killed 500,000 Iraqi children"?
Neither Ireland or Iraq come even close to the sadistic and bestial atrocities committed by Jews, Israelis, Zionists against Christian and Muslim Palestinians.
Any understanding of psychology makes it clear that a traumatised, violent and abusive childhood will leave wounds in all and some severely damaged. Israel is totally responsible for all of that.
The evidence is that atrocities committed on October 7 were done by civilians who broke out after the Resistance Fighters and they attacked civilians. Since these were young men around the age of 20 who had been subjected to torture, torment and the most shocking violence since they were toddlers - sonic booms, regular bombing where friends, family, homes, lives are literally torn apart, it would be surprising if all of them were mentally well. Blame Israel.
All of those mentally sick young men, who committed atrocities, although atrocities have yet to be proven, were created by the Zionist Israeli military colonial occupation regime through its sadistic and bestial treatment of the Palestinians in general and those in the Gaza concentration camp in particular.
If Jews can still be claiming trauma, three generations on, after some ancestors experienced holocaust for around five years in WWII, then the Palestinians, after nearly 80 years of holocaust, the longest in modern history, will be in even worse shape.
What is remarkable about the Palestinians is that most have remained sane, civilized and admirable people. They stand as a testament to courage and nobility of spirit.
If Jews can get reparation and compensation from those who oppressed some Jews in WWII then the Palestinians will be entitled to vastly more from Jews, Zionists and Israelis who have oppressed and persecuted them because they are Muslims and Christians for nearly a century.
When I observe the incredible resilience and deep faith of the Palestinians in the face of this genocide, I am astonished. Imagine if this were happening in the West, particularly in the US. The population would be doing the oppressors ‘ work for them.
The erosion of a formerly cohesive high trust society, through a persistent program of demoralization, has produced the desired result: a fractured society at each other's throats, doing the bidding of their owners, while upholding the illusion that they are free.
Okay Goy, thanx for that info😎🤣 isn't that because their parents are Talmudic Lucifarian jews! Like the Rothschilds, The Fathers Of Zionisim?
Merrick
you realize that fascists and communists loved collectivism just as you do with "THE JEWS"
They were all communist jews, right?How many saline booster injections did the jews give you,bro?
collectivism
You rejected individuals and their rights so you could judge them as a group!!!!
"Close analysis of Israeli grand strategies and actual
principles of foreign policy, as they are expressed in Hebrew,
makes it clear that it is 'Jewish ideology', more than any other
factor, which determines actual Israeli policies. The disregard of
Judaism as it really is and of 'Jewish ideology' makes those
policies incomprehensible to foreign observers who usually know
nothing about Judaism except crude apologetics"
Israel Shahak 'Jewish History, Jewish Religion'
https://substack.com/@merrick1/note/c-59666997
You can be a zionist without being a Jewish person ya doof.
You can be a Jewish person without being a Zionist.
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To make it a short answer. It's still just the jews, bro!
Short answer
You oppose individuals and their rights rights so that you may judge people as a group
This guy Merrick has been trolling a number of the comments here. As they say on the Internet: Don't Feed The Trolls.
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Give up your collectivism and support individual rights
Just another evil Christian. They are a dime a dozen.
Who said I wasn't a jew? 😎🤣
I am terribly sorry that you hate Jews. It must be a terrible burden to hold that ugliness in your heart. But, I enjoyed insulting you this afternoon. Have a nice life.
"Reverends" are normally not Jewish. Are you saying that you are a Jewish Reverend? How does that work exactly. At any rate, Islam may not be the most evil religion, but it is certainly in the top 3.
How come you're still alive?
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Is that all they teach at hasbara institute of provocation techniques?
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I ask for qualification when I DO meet someone who DECLARES themselves Jewish. There are two kinds; ordinary people and Zionist Spy Traitors whose loyalty is not to Australia, the Land (as opposed to loyalty to the filthy Marxist, Zionist Australian Federal Government).
I’m a Jew and know full well the propaganda growing up to support Israel. Such is plugged in synagogues and youth organizations but it’s no excuse to be Zionist unless you’re simply an amoral person or an ignoramus. It isn’t “The Jews” because many Jews despise Zionism, particularly the youth, but Zionism is an indelible stain on the Jewish people and we have remarkably stripped ourselves of sympathy for The Nazi Holocaust, a truly horrific event. Easily as gross as Zionism is the fact Germany and the U.S. have used it to commit another genocide while absolving themselves of guilt for causing the Holocaust via funding Hitler and fostering psychotic eugenic ideas.
Thank you Jonathan Levy for your honest and thoughtful assessment. I concur with what you say.
Not at all, Zionism is isomorphic to Naziism right down to its hazy racial definitions and megalomania. We are seeing the same Zionist psychopathic Israel we saw from 1948 onward. https://open.substack.com/pub/jlstiles/p/zionism-is-naziism-not-nazi-lite?r=f68e4&utm_medium=ios
Also, not all zionists support these policies
Stop lumping all zionists in together
Arraya, I have a question for you - what does Zionism mean for you? Various people have different interpretations (and historical knowledge) of Zionism, and sometimes misunderstanding occurs because of these differences).
it's pretty simple really. The dictionary definition suffices
Zionism, Jewish nationalist movement that has had as its goal the creation and support of a Jewish national state in Palestine, the ancient homeland of the Jews (Hebrew: Eretz Yisraʾel, “the Land of Israel”).
Yeah it sounds so innocent but it involved displacing and criminalizing 1 million Palestinian Arabs before 1967 and 750000 before 1948 only to brutalize them in permanent occupation and now genocide. Even the Palestinian Israelis are treated badly with separate laws and not to mention were mostly internally displaced after 1948 and held under martial law until 1966. How else are you going to have a Jewish state there and maintain a mandate? At its core the only justification for Zionism is that the world wants to kill Jews, very similar to Nazi paranoia necessitating their need to dominant the lessers. If you’re a Zionist and want a secular state for all, including Jews, great. It’s great Jews have gone there—they were there for ages but to do so to perpetuate a majority via genocide and displacement is a disgrace to everything Jewish and moral.
Does it bother you that in order to create a Jewish national state in Palestine, existing Palestinian Arabs had to be removed or their freedoms severely restricted (by any means necessary) to make such a state a reality?
Cool story, bro😎 but there ain't no excuses for Satanic jews! Why is there a Talmud in Every synagogue of satan on Earth ? Answer me that?
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if the redneck whites silly
It's the faggots, silly
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Zionism is Satanism
Hi Jon
I believe in neither Satan nor God, or good versus evil. IMO as a Pagan, there is only right and wrong. I most certainly believe in psychopathy which is collectively affecting the IsraHeili regime.
Nature is my “god”. Mother Nature will certainly punish us for what we’ve done to her beautiful planet; she will vomit us out like the parasites that we are. Good riddance to Homo sapiens, and may a more intelligent species take stewardship of the earth.
Gypsy33: Mother nature would not punish us for anything. She would not need to. People have upset the balance. The environment is a mess because of a few greedy power seeking humans. But mother nature does not punish. She just leaves things as they are and the results of human interference happen by themselves. I cannot say good riddance to homo sapiens. I am old. My grandchildren still have many years to go.
What an ugly ass thing to say - "good riddance to Homo sapiens". Some of the most beautiful children I know are homo sapiens. Some of the most beautiful things in life come from "homo sapiens". Fuck off gypsy, with your nihilistic HATRED of humanity. You said you were leaving this forum a few months ago - man I sure wish you kept your word on that. Sure would have been a good riddance for many of us here - not having to read your sorry ass, misanthropic comments.
My friend, reading that bothered me also however I understand people no longer have hope in great numbers. I wrote something yesterday to a friend I wished I could take back. I wrote, I believed we are closer to nuclear war now than ever in our history. I think now it will happen hearing people supposedly in charge in washington, believe nuclear war is winnable. I should never have written that even though I believe it, she didn't need to read me say something we both had left unsaid. I am ugly and I am sorry.
I believe the nuclear is coming too but to say that all humans deserve it is a bit much.
Somebody human is behind the systems that are currently in effect grooming babies and kids to become either outright monsters or uncaring robots caught up in the system's gears. It's those who deserve wiping out.
Proper religions cover the condition but arrogant militant atheists - who are human btw - of course know better.
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I understand. I'm pretty pissed off right now at how often a level of incredible arrogance seems to be always coupled with unreflective ignorance. As someone wise once said, a jackass ne'er can know their own reflection in a pool.
You should know, Jammikins 😁
Prod ye the donkey's rump ye are sure of a kick.
And THIS is where it all started. Telling me to Fuck Off for expressing a legitimate opinion, Jammikins.
I don’t give a flying fuck how many symphonies humans have composed, it is US who are bringing this planet to destruction.
I have three incredible grandchildren. If they die due to what we are inflicting on this planet, their spirits will be in a better place, much as my own will.
Yesterday evening I sat on my back deck drinking coffee, smoking cigarettes and listening to a chorus of tree frogs while watching the light show performed by the fireflies. SO MUCH SUPERIOR than anything any human could produce.
Fuck off Gypsy33. I don't like you and never will. Smoke your lungs away ...
If you want “ ugly ass” get yourself a mirror, cunt.
I will verbally DESTROY YOU.
"Some of the most beautiful things in life come from "home sapiens"."
Really? Name something. I can't think of a thing.
gypsy33 and I are on the same page, and we are not alone. Did you watch "Sweet Tooth"? Have you read "The Three Body Problem"?
"I can't think of a thing." - that would include you, I presume. Hence the question - why are you still with us?
You must be really angry at your parents for having sex resulting in your becoming an ugly fetus. And you must be really angry at your mother for not having aborted you in time. But you know what, there's still ways and means to end the misery. But somehow you still "can" think of a thing (or two) to remain here. What does that make you, Pintada?
OK.
I say that the average South American frog species that I have never seen, and that humanity is driving extinct has as much right to life as humanity has. My personal preference would be the innocent frog should survive, and perhaps because that frog has done no evil in the world its rights should supersede the rights of people.
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What does that make you, Pintada?
Bored with your sophomoric comment.
Got stuck, aren't ya? You won't answer my question because it was rhetorical. You are either a coward or a fraud, Pintada. That's what follows from your brainfarts.
Almost anything written by J.S. Bach would be one of the most beautiful things that humans have done. You can listen to his music at anytime due to modern technology not yet having found a way to weed out the beautiful.
Funny you mention Bach. Was just listening to Beethoven's Piano Concerto No. 5 in E-flat, op. 73 this morning. He wrote it at age 39, in 1809. Maynard Solomon writes in his illuminating book on Beethoven, that the concerto was unparalleled in its grandeur and majestic elegance. The clip I was listening to was Bernstein conductor, and Wiener Philharmoniker, with the astonishing pianist - one of the greatest in this last century, Krystian Zimerman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDXWK3W477w
The unsurpassing beauty of Beethoven's music, one cannot put into words.
Ooh, well aren’t WE cultured!
I prefer Garth Brooks, Dwight Yoakum and Trisha Yearwood myself, being the proper redneck cowgirl that I am 😁
Yes, Beethoven is my favorite composer, followed by Chopin, Bach and Liszt. For some reason, I don't enjoy Mozart as much compared to others.
Yes, and Beethoven, and Sibelius, and Joni Mitchell, and Van Gogh, and Georgia O'Keefe and lots and lots more. Jeremy Dutcher, Elisapie.......
And by listening to your stereo, you blot out all bird song and the sound of the wind, and the creaking of the forest branches. Bach vs Nature? Nature wins hands down.
Lou Pintada: Don't be silly. The comparison of music and nature is not an either or situation. Music exists in nature and nature exists in music. Or can your brain only see one positive at a time?
Dear Susan T, and Joy in HK;
Thank you for commenting, but you misunderstood:
The question was what right does humanity have to exist? Do we as humans have more right to exist than the 200 to 400 of species that go extinct largely because humanity caused that extinction? The answer is NO.
Fine, you like music. So do I. The problem is that the production of that music kills. Perhaps music is one of the least harmful activities humanity engages in, but it is harmful. Thousands of people driving thousands of cars to the venue. The performers jetting in from wherever (of course flying in private jets). Sure, we can enjoy <insert-favorite-artform-here>, we think it is cool/beautiful. What was destroyed during or because of its production?
The comment was about what humans' have created. Your criticism is misplaced in that context. Nature speaks for herself.
_bot said, "Do you realize that your commenting here kills? The amount of infrastructure it takes for your brainfarts to be delivered and become available? The equipment you use to produce it? The stink? How can you live with that?"
Actually, he (of course) understand it, but he raises a good point that I have observed for decades. There is a certain type of person that thinks that if something inconveniences him, it doesn't exist. Or, if he likes something, it can't cause harm.
For example:
Does global warming exist? "NO! Al Gore is a hypocrite, so global warming is a farce."
Must we worry about chem-trails? "YES! The gu'ment said that they are not spraying chemicals into the air."
The human mind is so, so bizarre.
You two are on the same page for sure ... And it's the only one you got.
What?
Don’t mind him, He's just a lonely Grifter troll and a, twit!😎🤣!
I agree gypsy. From what I've seen - I'm fast losing faith in humanity (though I don't want to). I don't understand a world where humans have done the kinds of things they have done - to other humans and the planet. I don't understand the complicity, nonchalance, ignorance, active resistance, herd mentality, ruthlessness, selfisness, and outright psychopathy of people that support the Gaza genocide (for whatever reasons).
Maybe homo sapiens have lost the privilege of being a part of this world. Maybe evolution needs to go on steroids to create a better species.
As another commenter mentioned, the TV series "Sweet Tooth" echoes this sentiment.
Hi Chang
The #1 reason humanity needs to go is because of whom we allow to DICTATE to us. We are the many; they are the few, and yet we still allow it to continue.
It cracks me up that some idiots here believe that humans are a “ superior species” because we invented flaming arrows, catapults, guillotines, gunpowder, electric chairs and all manner of delightful things. We are, as you’re well aware, the only species that kills ( murders) for the sake of killing.
Human babies are not only ugly (yeah, I’m gonna take some shit for that one) with their oversized heads and wrinkly skin, but also completely helpless. A foal can stand on its long spindly legs within minutes of birth. We had a recent hatch of kildeers on our property; they exit their shells running.
And let’s take cats. Cats can see in the dark; jump many times their own height; jump or fall from a great distance and land on their feet; and have cool retractable switchblades.
Let’s imagine a scenario Chang. Put a man, a dog, a horse and a cat in a wilderness with no possibility of reaching civilization. Who will survive?
The cat. Probably the horse. Unlikely, but possibly the dog.
The man is toast!
That IQ of yours is on full display and quite sparkly! Btw - ask your Einstein pal how many bits it required and then compare it to mine 😉
Human babies are ugly eh? Heads are too big? Weenies are too small and limp? Vaginas are inoperational? Not ready for prime time right off the bat, eh? What the fuck are you even talking about?
As to "because we invented" shit - tell me why did you get that Kalashnikov once again? Why not just use your tits for when they come for you? If they do indeed (why the fuck would they bother?)
No need to reply - it's not for you. Just like that Pintada dimwit - you provide good material to expose for others' entertainment's sake.
I agree with you to a certain point (before the sentence "And let's take...).
Each species has its own purpose. Each species has its own defenses for survival. Each species will thrive in a particular environment, and each species will die off in a particular environment.
I, personally, am not too impressed with humanity's progress or evolution. Maybe I was hoping for too much and had high expectations? Maybe that is the reason I am disappointed with homo-sapiens?
It's a crass generalization, about as crass as insisting all Jews are genocidal Zionists. Obviously not all human beings support blowing up the planet or support genocide. It's an unreflective, hate filled way to view the world and it's a blanket, false generalization - as all ignorant stereotypes are false, ugly, crass. And this one is particularly offensive to the human spirit.
As Ralph Waldo Emerson once wrote in his essay "Immortality":
"The skeptic affirms that the universe is a nest of boxes with nothing in the last box. All laughter at man is bitter, and puts us out of good activity. When Bonaparte insisted that the heart is one of the entrails, that it is the pit of the stomach that moves the world - do we thank him for the gracious instruction? Our disgust is the protest of human nature against a lie."
"The ground of hope is in the infinity of the world; which infinity reappears in every particle, the powers of all society in every individual, and of all mind in every mind."
>>"It's a crass generalization..."
Of course it is a crass generalization. It is a subjective interpretation, not an objective one. It is an emotional statement made by observing the depravity, callousness, and reactions of humans (in general) towards other humans and ecological systems from events in history (at least those that we know about).
Of course there is a lot of good in humanity (that should be obvious to anyone). But deciding whether the good outweighs the bad is a subjective evaluation.
As is Atheism and Nihilism (a subjective interpretation). There is still plenty of open questions regarding reality and Atheists (especially know-it-all Skeptic Atheists) don't have a fucking corner on truth. Nor did Bonaparte know everything about "reality".
No one has a corner on the truth. Not athiesm, religions, nihilism, or anything else. I don't know why you think that athiests believe that they know everything or are always right.
I'm a skeptical athiest. I'm always questioning everything (including by own assumptions and beliefs). That's what it means to be a skeptic - to question everything and not believe something just because it sounds believable, supports one's confirmation biases, or makes one feel good.
There are fanatical athiests just as there are religious fanatics.
100% agree! There’s so many satanic attacks happening in our modern world today too: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/are-we-under-satanic-attack
Anton Levay was a Zionist gun runner in his earlier years before founding the church of satan
His Zionism was. More important than his satsnism to him
Didn't Jesus call them(the jews) The Synangogue of Satan, and didn't they kill the Son of God The Creator? Why the heck would they do that unless they have a different non- human god?
"Jesus" actually existed as far as I can tell, and he was a confidence artist that actually thought he could raise an army and defeat the Romans. Of course the Jesus you think of "Reverend" would be evil personified.
It's actually irrelvant if a religious metaphor is factual
2nd century Judaism certainly believed in Jesus. They said his father was a roman soldier named Pantera
See the story of Jesus was orginally an intra-Jewish dispute
There were Jews who believed that Jesus was the messiah (They became known as Christians) AND Jews who believed he was a conman with a whore mother
In the Talmud that rarely refer to Jesus by name. They often use a Hebrew term meaning - "may his name and memory be obliterated"
There's no contemporary, third-person evidence of Jesus / Yeshua ever existing.
Josephus's account was written down approximately fifty years after the fact and was ultimately hearsay. The earliest New Testament book, Mark, was written approximately 70 AD, around the time of the destruction of the Temple.
I'm pretty sure Jesus was an anti semetic psyop
To paraphrase John 8
The Jews - We are the sons of abraham
Jesus - Da fuck outta here with that nonsense. You are liars and murders, Your father is the devil
Origen was a 2nd or 3rd century Christian writer in Palestine . Read his stuff and it provides a lot of interesting views on Jewish Christian relations at the time
He said of the Jews, who recently had their temple destoryed and got kicked out of Jerusalem by Rome and were having a rough time with it
"As they had no altar, no temple, no priest, and therefore no offerings of sacrifices, they felt that their sins remained with them, and that they had no means of obtaining pardon."
And then they have this growing religion worshipping a guy that they intensely despised(whether factual or not). Remember religious Jews are messianic (waiting for the messiah) but they rejected Jesus. They are still waiting
And ya get this, Origen again discussing on the Jews were okay with pagans but....,.
"That is why even now the Jews are not roused against the Gentiles, against those who worship idols and blaspheme God. No, they do not hate them(PAGANS), nor does their indignation blaze against them.
But it is against the Christians that they are consumed with an insatiable hatred, Christians who have abandoned idols and are converted to God!"
Then 1800 years later the first Rabbi of the British Mandate of Palestine and a founding father of religious zionism said Christianity is a "a spiritual blight upon the world" and will be destroyed
Or the Jewish settlers that say spitting on Christians is jewish custom
All that comes from hatred of A mythical character that argued with them in some verses in an old book
Cray cray
https://youtu.be/2FIUP3P5O1I?si=aIvtizs4qhy9i_5X
I am jewish by my mother and spiritual but not religious. I notice more and more rabies are explaining that the idea of an Israeli state goes against the fundamental beliefs of religious Jews. That's a nice paradox !
‘Rabies” might explain the subhuman behaviour of the Israeli right.
Don't get it twisted. The Israeli left is just as complicit.
Yes they're certainly barking mad as well as evil as Orthodox Jews keep telling us.
it is the same behaviour as the rest of the paranoid delusional exalted right wingers: they always see themselves as the victims and do not live in reality; it's called psychosis
Many, maybe most left wingers are blind/befuddled Zionists. I have seen Biden say “ I am a Zionist!”
at this point left winger is a moot label... There is such a confusion of genres that nobody qualifies as progressive anymore, wether that even used to hold water of not. Same applies to co derivative or christian. Everyone has gone howling mad and intolerant
It might also explain inability of people to read/write.
But maybe they all do have Rabies??
That possess explanation powers? I wonder what they look like!
That said, I wonder if dyslexia indeed became more prevalent than before. Just like other conditions spurred by "civilization".
If anything (IMO) traditional Judaism is primarily based on the faith and belief that living a moral life is paramount and does have an ultimate meaning, as opposed to becoming someone who oppresses others for one's own Materialistic gains.
Religion has NOTHING to do with being a good person and living a moral life. If you have to do “god’s bidding” just in order to “save your soul”, then you basically suck as a human being.
You live a moral life because it’s the RIGHT THING TO DO, not because some imaginary deity told you to.
Naughty me though: I put Gypsy curses on Genocide Joe and Satanyahu. I think they’re working 😁
Simple question - what makes a thing right or wrong? Where do the notions come from?
empathy?, the golden rule?, solidarity? equality? justice? humility?
Those are all means, or transport, or media, or expression, or... I'm interested in the ultimate source of the notions, before they were incorporated into those forms.
i think they evolved with humanity. in a some era during our evolution these attitudes comprised an evolutionary advantage in the survival, prosperity and progress of our species. they seem basic to cooperation.
Easy, RB:
Does it benefit?
Or does it harm?
For a capitalist to devour a neighborhood business is a benefit. For the neighborhood business it is harm. Who wins with the characterization? Why?
A benefit for WHOM though?
Gypsies are jews originally from Persia.
Not.
Becarful I will put a curse on you!
Good luck.
That's your OPINION. Don't SHOVE it down everyone else's throat. Your OPINION. If someone wants to believe in RELIGION then let them. Because no one knows HOW OR WHY THE FUCK REALITY EVEN EXISTS, and SCIENCE DOESN'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE WHAT CONSCIOUSNESS IS ALL ABOUT. And you as sure as fuck don't know.
Okay then. Show me SCIENTIFIC PROOF of “god” and you’ll have a believer 😂😂😂
What? Can’t fucking do it?
😂😂😂
Prove we Orbit the Sun?😎🤣 Prove NASA DOESNT OWN THE SOURSE CODE FOR GPS(Ground Positioning System, not Global?) Or Prove that WE aren't the center of our World Plane, and not the jewsuit sun Worshipper's? What? Can't can ya? It is Impossiball Moran!
It has to have been a Creator God! "Belief is the Enemy of Knowledge"!
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Blocked.
Oh how we like to twist words around don’t we bitch? 😂
Tell me this. If “god so loved his children”, why is the majority of humanity suffering?
Jammikins can’t take the heat, it appears 😁
Exterminate ALL The Goyim who might survive with Noahide Laws Guillotines😎😉
🤔🖕🫵🇮🇱✡️🇮🇱💩
I'll just toss q few ideas up in the air here. I'm in a mellow good space right now and not trying to start any arguments. They are right today, Zionism isn't a religion, it's a political idea that's a smaller part of a small religion. I am nominally a protestant, and Judaism reminds me of Protestantism in that both religions have lots of factions and splinter groups and what not. Many of them contradict eachother, so sometimes it seems like you are likely to find a faction that already believes what you believe already. If you can only find it.
There are some strains of Judaism that believe that Jews aren't supposed to return to the Holy Land until the Savior has come to Earth. And they don't see the Savior, so it ain't time yet for Jews to be in Israel. The funny part being that many of the Jews who follow this line of thought, are already living in Israel!!! What I get from that is that: There are always contradictions in everything when it comes to people being involved, so I don't worry about it too much.
There are lots of other factions and sects. Jews for Jesus, Conservative, orthodox, ultra-orthodox, etc. and maybe you'll find a religion for you. Whatever the other half of your heritage is... or something else entirely. Only you can decide.
Zionism basically amounts to: The jews should all live together in their homeland, and that homeland is Israel. It's only about 150 years old, so it's a new-fangled idea.
If a jew doesn't want to go back to Israel, then they've just got to find a place where they can live in peace and safety. They have been persecuted a lot in the past, so they need to remember to make escape plans for if things go real bad.
But basically, jews are just people like any group of humans, so it's a patchwork of good and bad. And the jews themselves get a strong reaction from other peoples, both for and against.
Life is a paegent and masquerade just like the song says. Enjoy all that you can of it.
In 1796, Napoleon was appointed commander of the French army in Italy. Following his victories in the battlefield, he was sent in 1798 to conquer Egypt with the intention of going on to take India from the British. He invaded the Holy Land and seized control of the coastal trip up to Acre. His army was stopped from gaining more ground by Ottoman forces backed by the British.
During the siege, he prepared a proclamation, actually a letter to the Jewish Nation, expressing his belief that the time had come for the “Rightful heirs of Palestine” to seize the moment, “which may not return for thousands of years,” and restore “your political existence as a nation among the nations, and the unlimited natural right to worship Jehovah in accordance with your faith, publicly and most probably forever (Joel 4,20).”
Napoleon expected to occupy Acre and move on to Jerusalem where he would issue the proclamation, which was dated April 20, 1799 (the first day of Passover). It didn’t happen, however, because he was forced to retreat from Acre on May 22, 1799, and subsequently left the Holy Land. A year later, on August, 16, 1800, Napoleon declared: “If I governed a nation of Jews, I should reestablish the Temple of Solomon.”
Maybe not 150 years old. You might be surprised to learn that Christian Zionism goes back to 16th Century England, including some fanatics called Puritans. This has been a deep, and relatively silent current running beneath the so-called secular Western world for far longer than most of us were aware of. Profits and p/Prophets. What could be worse?
Babbling about prophecy fullfilment and messianic fervor in Christianity goes back that far (Catholics did not do it) , though calling it zionism may not be the best language
Likewise, Jews day dreaming , saying prayers, wishing to go back to Israel goes back to their exile.
You could also say the Jewish zionism always existed.
The Puritians named Salem after Jerusalem. They had dreams of the new world being a prophesized utopian society . Interestingly enough, they lobbied the English crown to remove their restriction on Jews due to their eschological outlook where Jews had to gather again.
The modern zionist political project, however, can be traced back to the early 19th century when leading Jews declared the exile over . Rabbis created a framework for religious zionism . Namely, Judah Alkalai (Herzl's father was a big fan of Alkalai's work).
Darby and Scholfield are the seeds of current Christian zionism, with their Dispensationalism
As soon as the reformat
ion , messasanism started creeping in
Under the original christian teachings 'the church' was the new Israel
I've always liked that profits & prophets zinger. It's a classic. Now... I don't know much about this low-profile current of Zionism in Western Culture and its connection with the Puritans. I remember a few tidbits about Cotton & Increase Mather, probably wouldn't have gotten along with them. Nothing else really comes to mind, Would you tell me a little something about it. Or at least point me in the right direction. I'd like to know more.
Find the entry for Christian Zionism on Wikipedia. It's a good starting place. Note, it is not connected there to a search for History of Zionism, as a political entry. In addition, there are a few names whose influence might have run beneath the radar, such as Thomas Brightman, "In 1615 his work "Shall They Return to Jerusalem Again?" was published, advocating the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, one of the first Christians to do so. 'There is nothing more certain: the prophets do everywhere confirm it and beat upon it.'"
Chapter 2 of Ilan Pappe, "Ten Myths About Israel," is an eye-opener, but doesn't really delve into what happened to those various strains, and religious movements, other than noting they pre-date political Zionism.
Several important names include François-René Chateaubriand who he quotes as influencing Napoleon, "the Jews were 'the legitimate masters of Judea.'"
How about this? US President John Adams, wrote in 1819, "I really wish the Jews again in Judea, as an independent nation." Sound like anything you are familiar with in US history? I sure wasn't.
Lord Shaftsbury, an important leader in England, influenced Lord Balfour and Shaftsbury's own father-in-law, Lord Palmerston, who became the British Prime Minister.
I have been looking for a book that does a deep dive into the Christian Zionists, and where they spread their roots, from the 16 Century to the present day. I haven't found it yet.
I am certain, that the imperviousness of the Zionist project ot logic, reason, and humanity is due to the religious zeal that has been carrying this for nearly 500 years. We need to know more about this, and we ignore this aspect at our peril.
Rabbis also like to explain that in the end times, the goyim who aren’t destroyed will serve the Jews as slaves. Charming religion really.
"rabies" - I think you meant to say Rabbis (which is the plural form of Rabbi)
you are absolutely right and thank you for correcting me. I was trying to find the proper spelling and I gave up too fast. Rather shameful for a jew😇
In a recent Glenn Greenwald interview with two NYC Hassidic Rabbis, the two thoughtful gentlemen went beyond the often heard "diametrically opposed" language used to describe the relationship between Judaism and Zionism, and emphasizing the key relationship of Judaism to a supreme being of Love, blatantly pegged Zionism as a full-fledged corruption of Judaism, essentially "nothing but a shitty political ideology stripped bare of all spirituality."
I just linked to it below!
Thanks. But I can't find your link. So here's the one to the full Rumble interview. Sorry for not posting it initially.
https://rumble.com/v52i3gf-interview-orthodox-rabbis-on-condemning-israels-war.html
This is the key thing to understand
Orthodox rabbis agree with you completely. Glenn Greenwald interviewed two of them who explained how the creation of the state of Israel (by secularists) and the cruelty to the people of Gaza were absolute violations of specific commandments of God, who decreed that we weren’t spiritually evolved enough to return to the holy land.
“ Theodor Herzl, Ben-Gurion, and Prime Weitzman. These are people who are purely non-religious anti-God and anti-religion. They simply wanted to create a state for their feelings, for their emotions, for their will to have their nationhood. And this is totally contradictory to the concept of exile. … So, the whole concept of Zionism is really antithetical and contradictory to Judaism. The rabbinical authorities around the world were in total opposition to this movement of Zionism prior to the establishment of the State of Israel while it was being developed in Europe. And all the rabbis we put out a book called “The Rabbi Speak Out.” Well, we compiled, 130 years of religious Jewish opposition to Zionism, these are the major, the leading authorities, Torah authorities from around the world, and each in their style spoke up and said that we as Jews are forbidden to try to establish our own nationhood. They spoke against Zionism, the leaders and the corruption, and that it's not Judaism.” There’s lots more transcript but I can’t find how to link to it and it’s probably paywalled. Here’s the link to video of the episode. https://rumble.com/v52ctvf-system-update-show-284.html
The Satmar Hassidim consider Israel to be satanic and refuse to set foot there.
It’s where the resemblance ends (I’m a post-Jewish agnostic), but I also refuse to set foot there.
Ben Gurion thanked Rabbi's Ben Shlomo Alkalai and Zvi Kalischer in his speech when he was inaugrated for the modern zionist project. Herzl stepped in front of a project that was well underway since he was in diapers. Interestringly, Herzl's father was a follower of Alkalai (likely not a coincidence)
There certainly was dissent within Judaism on religious grounds for a while but it evaporated pretty quickly after the establishment of the state. Any dissenent today is neglible
Plently of orthodox settlers carrying out ethnic cleansing in occupied territory with the talmud in their hands. Actually orthodox tend to be the most pious religious zionists
Different sects. They quarrel most fiercely between themselves.
Although backing Israel is arguably somewhat about imperial projection of power, in the U.S. it appears a huge part of backing Israel is just plain corruption and bribery at every level of society fostered over decades. The U.S. doesn’t need Israel for anything.
>>"The U.S. doesn’t need Israel for anything"
Yes, the US does need Israel - for the "plain corruption and bribery" you suggested earlier. Israel is a core component of US Imperialist Capitalism.
Some Zionist Christians support the modern version of the State of Israel because they believe such an entity must exist before the Apocalypse - and Rapture of the "chosen" (ie themselves, or so they believe) - can occur.
I wish I was kidding.
Somewhat paradoxically Jews will be condemned to Hell for eternity, along with all the other nonbelievers. Or so they believe. (No one can enter Heaven except by being Born Again™️)
Blows my mind how these born again’s worship Israel over God.
A whole lot of picking and choosing exactly which parts of the Bible are important.
And let's not forget, the early impetus for the Zionism of today, came from 16th Century England, including those pesky Puritans. We all know where they ended up, and some of the trouble they caused. Salem, MA, anyone?
That explains the crazy christians.
Why do Zionist Jews do what they do???
Old scribble, and drivel, from books like the holey bibble???
Religion is the opiate of the asses.
"Why" questions will make you crazy. You'll never get a satisfactory answer.
Any and every reputable journalist would probably disagree with that premise.
At least that’s what I’ve been told by a couple of journalists whose work I respect.
Besides, with all of the things working to separate me from my sanity, I don’t see any reason to exclude asking why about this particular topic.
Many, if not all, of the literary persons I venerate are/were all seekers, starting with Socrates.
Maybe it’s my nature, or maybe nurture.
Either way, I haven’t found a good reason to defy my natural inclinations to ask questions, such as “why”.
Your perspective is just fine.
It’s just not mine.
I wish you well, and good health.
I'm not saying you shouldn't, just that it can be an intensely frustrating process.
It certainly can be.
Fortunately, occasionally/rarely, the reward is worth the investment.
As a retired senior citizen, I now have the luxury of having time to invest in such endeavors.
Kind of ironic, considering my advanced age and looming expiration date.
I do appreciate your position and perspective though, Mark.
But why do they drive you crazy?
The tentacles of AIPAC are long and its web is far reaching. That organization is evil and has nearly all federal level politicians on its payroll.
This was an excellent piece Caitlin. All honors to you. 😎😎😎
May I second your appraisal?
Yes you can and thank you very much. I was worried that maybe the only reactions I was going to get were going to be all negative and time wasting. But you and at least a few others seem to have gotten something useful out of it. I'm glad.
I also once drank the imperial koolaide but now have spat it out & expunged it from my system.. what I now have is my humanity. The humanity that the overlords are trying to take away through propaganda, debt to buy shiny new things, forever wars, AI, etc.. .. incidentally, someone clever said, ‘I wanted AI to do my laundry and dishes so I can do art and writing not for it to do my art and writing so I can do my laundry and dishes’..
Yes Diana, I can relate having not only drunk the koolaid but worked for the USA empire for many years doing super bad things. It took me almost ten years after retiring to unbrainwash myself. Janis Joplin helped me undo some of the damage listening to her at full blast in my car. Having worked on the inside all those years has one benefit, tho. I know who speaks the truth and Caitlin and others on Substack writing about the Western Empire are absolutely right on. I was a spokesperson for the empire and said complete fallacies.
Thanks for sharing, Aleta. Appreciate your honesty and compassion. ❤️
Is there anyone else in particular you recommend reading or listening to who you trust given your insider knowledge?
Ya gosta say the name! It's the jews!
All the things you say about Zionism is true. The one fact that people tend to forget is that history didn’t begin on October 7, 2023. Zionism has been striving for what they have today since the 1880s. Back then Palestine was under the thumb of the Ottoman Empire. It was a good deal for the Palestinians from the standpoint that they weren’t being murdered. It didn’t go bad for them until World War One when the British defeated the Ottomans.
The Balfour Declaration of 1917
was negotiated by the British government and the Zionists with no input from the Palestinians. It became law that Zionists would take over any part of Palestine they wanted. Palestinian Arabs didn’t like the idea and fought the Zionists any way they could. That Battle has been ongoing since then.
Another point is that standard Zionist propaganda is that if you are against Zionism, you are practicing Antisemitism. Biden has said that, which is total bullshit. In order to understand what Antisemitism is you need to understand what a Semite is. Look it up in any dictionary you’ll find that Semites are both Jews and Arabs, as they came from the same roots. If you are against Arabs, you are practicing Antisemitism.
Palestinians as a race didn't exist in the 1880's the residentidents of Palestine were mainly Jews and Arabs with of course, a smattering of other ethnic people.
Should have posted this a long time ago.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/gangsters-for-zion
And don't we run into a huge problem here. Remember who William Munny was and how he was the only one who could stand against "Little Bill".
If it sounds like double-speak, it kind of is.
I find myself not only agreeing with almost everything you write but wondering why almost nobody else in the MSM and in the mainstream alternative media can write with the piercing objectives clarity that you can manage to do. Excellent once again Caithlin.
This was very well written and I agree with all of it.
"Saying “anti-Zionism is anti-semitism” over and over again while Zionists are butchering children by the thousands is an excellent way to get people to stop caring about anti-semitism."
Ain't it funny how the slanders "you're like a Holocaust denier because you point out Israel's lies!" have lost their sting?
"Gaza, in addition to everything else it’s been these last eight months, has provided the left with an opportunity to reassess itself and its priorities, and to feel into just how powerful it can be when it can lay aside all the sectarian feuding and petty quibbling and social media spats to focus on something that’s more important than any of us. We can change the world if we can all get over ourselves and shove hard toward the highest interest."
So true.
Dare I admit I'm an aging
conservative? Member of the Santa Cruz County Republican Women's Federation. Relocated 2020 to Cook County IL. I've spoken wth those fellow Federation friends. They too are outraged. They too are viewing the carnage on X. They have written to Gavin Newsome stop this in the name of those maimed children! Get them medical assistance. Get them water, food, electricity, and shelter from this brutal storm! Stop bombing. Stop sending our tax dollars to Netanyahu. I have sent the same demands to whitehouse.gov Tag your it - your turn. We gotta do something. Arguing capitalism at this point seems a broken record - I toss that out cuz I read the other valid comments. Warmongers wear both red & blue. I call them the purple people eaters.
I'm a libertarian, and I'm grateful for Candace Owens, Ron Paul, and other voices from the right who are speaking out against what is happening in Gaza.
Me too. Judge Napolitano libertarian- his YT has been a wonderfully “informative” source against our current totalitarianism leadership. Ism another ism - seems we’ve lived under ism’s all my 66 yrs. Fascism, communism, capitalism, liberalism, Zionism. We have become our ism’s. Is there an ism for democrat-democracy ism or just a donkey (kicking a bucket) ? Cracy and Ism in government over the yrs I’ve heard the cracy & ism echo chambering on the trusted mass media platforms. Seems that republican ism is now the elephant on the table. Pronoun “they-them” is purple. Red + Blue no matter what when mixed = purple.
Kathlean, good for you! The purple people eaters is a good name for the combined lunatics running these two parties.
Where ever we are on the political spectrum, we need to protest this genocide. It's just not acceptable.
I support all efforts in all quarters to stop this horror.
Caitlin's insistence on some "true left" that should exist out there while denying that there must be "true right" as well has always puzzled me.
My experience- I resided in Santa Cruz Ca for 50 yrs. I hung out wth the ultimate California dreamers. I watched Silicon Valley burst into a rich man’s trick. I volunteered wth foodnotbombs.net for years. I even smoked the best weed grown in back yards. Once I asked to be excused from a public school board meeting early. The superintendent asked why. I’m attending the annual Santa Cruz Republican Womens Federation, rewards, recognition, banquet ceremony. I quote “they award fascism” Pro lifer’s. Warmongers. Capitalism. Due to my years as recognized fund raising member of the PTA, parent teacher association- I was excused. My federation award was for “compassion” I was James the chauffeur, the Uber driver, for the members who could no longer drive. Further more over 1/2 of our members thought and said “abortion is a private matter, a matter of privacy” *get the government out of our bedrooms!
Consider voting for Dr. Jill Stein, she be Green, and not a bit of purple anywhere!
Perhaps that derives from the apparent fact that the right is always reactionary.
Who established that "apparent fact"? What is considered "reactionary" and by whom? Aren't these assumptions exactly what prompts people to always deem left superior?
I write a lot about spirituality on my Substack and I couldn’t agree more. You’re right when you mention we all have that inner part of us that longs for something — hence the religious pull. Zionism, and other false religious ideas, pull on that human piece in us and practice the art of Menticide of us (mental killing): https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/democide-and-menticide
The more we know about our spiritual world, the more we can spot false religions like Zionism:
https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/spiritual-resistance-leads-to-physical
https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-spiritual-perspective-of-reality
“This obvious genocide is not what it looks like. Don’t believe your lying eyes or your lying ears or your lying mind or your lying heart.”
The message from the MSM is clear: Don't believe any of your lying senses! You should only trust the senses of the oligarchs and their trusted minions that peddle their propaganda. You'll be much happier that way because you'll be completely ignorant of what they really want to do with us all. Let's hope the end is swift and painless for we the ignorant, but don't count on it.
The obvious response to this obvious genocide is to believe everything you've seen, heard and felt. Genocide is horrific. Period. Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is horrid as well. Stop listening to them and fight back.
Perfectly stated, TRC.
And let us not forget the possible involvement by Iran, and therefore Russia and China.
It is only an "obvious genocide" because you and others don't understand the definition of the word genocide. Try looking it up before posting.
Read the Convention of Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and learn for yourself: https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/convention-prevention-and-punishment-crime-genocide
It's bullcrap. Their Article 2 has corrupted the meaning of the word such that even one death would seem to qualify as "genocide" by their definition.
You realize that the US and Israel both signed up to this convention in 1948. They know what it means. They know they're breaking the convention. They understand what the punishment is. Read the entire document. Learn something. This is how international law works.
I assume this logic also applies to Russia and Sudan and China and ...
It's not crap. All things have to be taken in context, and even that one death must be accompanied by the requisite intent for the crime to rise to the level of genocide.
(Incidentally, genocide scholars generally agree that there is a minimum threshold for Section 1, though this must be tested in every real instance. This is an academic debate, whereas what ultimately matters is what the World Court and the Tribunals determine in real cases.)
Just because YOU don't like the definition of genocide under the Genocide Convention doesn't mean it stops being law.
The thing about "laws" is that they are of no real value if they are not enforced or not capable of being enforced.
Top piece. Thanks for deconstructing these utterly vile people who have always been with us. Whether they're narcissistic psychos or Satan's army they will destroy us all if they're not stopped.