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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Sadly, my gut feeling about Zionism is that behind all the propaganda and the bellowing about chosen-by-deities, it's just another situation in which amoral humans employ violence to enrich themselves.

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Marci Sudlow's avatar

It's been a land grab from day one.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

And more, I think. After all, the investors lurk. -- big energy and property development.

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Susan T's avatar

Same old same old. Just like what has been done by other Europeans in other countries. They had to deal with all those "savages" first and then they had lots of great property to take over.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Hard to argue with the history of colonialism.

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includeMeOut's avatar

💯

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Why sadly? Surely, if that is what it is, knowing is better than not knowing. Am I right?

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Oh, I'm just reflecting on the overall state of humanity. Groan. Forgive me. Of course you're right.

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Bob - Enough's avatar

Vin, you are reflecting on what you are being told to believe and what the globalist parasitical scum create to back that up - war, mass killings, gangsters everywhere, bad people everywhere, LGBT is the norm etc. etc. This is not humanity... humanity is on here and millions of other sites, but better still, just go for a walk, have dinner or a drink and talk to people ... they are trying to deconstruct families, social circle, friends, any faith you may have ... but see through it and literally ignore and laugh (they hate that) at that.

Yes they are rich, powerful and and ... but they need us to fall into despair AND NEED THEM - tell them to FO.

Fear is their greatest weapon, confusion no. 2... and strangely enough, giving us "false hope" is no.3 (in my view) ... AND REMEMBER what you and me probably see on TV, films, media, news etc... is 90 utter propoganda for their evil, bllx and nudging (slow brainwashing).

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JennyStokes's avatar

I think I need to jump in here:

Whilst you all have righteous ( in a kind way) indignation Most all miss the point.

I have been thinking hard and sad about my life.

ONE thing that Western powers DO forget is the children of Colonialist regimes. I was one of them and suffering ever since.

As a child I loved my Country: Sri Lanka.

It was the most beautiful place to grow up in BUT as a child I did see through the crap! Beggars on the streets with broken bones MANAGED by the RICH. We had servants/cook and our main servant Thomas....who was more than a parent to me when I was young.

In one of my mothers 'rare' instances in 'truth telling'; she told me that the rich broke the bones of beggars.

I know I am not being consistent here BUT every single time I walked out into the world of Sri Lanka I was accosted by beggars asking for money: Where did the money these beggars go?

As I keep reminding people the Western people are filled with shame and guilt for their complete lack of knowing a world outside your own hemisphere.

As a child of colonialist parents I did see the errors which is why I have never settled in any white country.

I am going to be 76 this year. I want to get out of France right now.

I am so 'messed up' by this constant chaos surrounding us BUT I have studied 'chaos theory.'

I do have hope regardless of what I have seen.

OUT of darkness becomes light.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Wow, Jennie. I had no idea of your colonialist background. It's probably important that you share from that perspective to broaden the conversation regardless of anyone's criticism. I grew up first-gen Italian-American, born in NYC, child of immigrants. There are unique observations about US society from that perspective. And so on. One of the Susans is Canadian, and I'm always interested in her views. We all need to expand awareness, not contract it. How can it hurt to hear these stories?

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Bob - Enough's avatar

Not quite sure what you are on about to be honest; so please forgive me and no offense.

I have spent a month in Sri Lanka, did the tours around the whole Country ( except the Tamil area and yes stayed in the "resorts"... but as usual f the warnings, went out "locally". Lovely people as most of us are... poor as hell and yes it did irrate me on their begging .. but I would hve done the same in their position with "fat white bloke" walking about.

Tried to help where I could as I am also limited financially.

Just re-read you comment - regards "In one of my mothers 'rare' instances in 'truth telling'; she told me that the rich broke the bones of beggars.".... DO NOT MIX UP US "NORMAL PEOPLE" with the scum parasitical globalist elites or their puppets.

PS Sri Lanka is messed up NOW, because one POS bowed to the IMF over loans.

PPS IN my original post "copiousness" auto spell check ?) should have been "consciousness",

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JennyStokes's avatar

"Did the tours?" Did you get in a car and drive yourself? IF not I have nothing to add!

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Respectfully, Bob. First, you're correct about fear, confusion and false hope -- a perverse trinity!

I'm pretty sure I can distinguish propaganda from reality. Which reality? This observable one: As a university-level teacher of adult and quasi-adult learners, I'm reflecting on the ATTITUDES I've encountered over many years in Americans and international students (who choose American education, therefore admittedly a select subpopulation). The most disheartening (not depressing, but reality-informing) aspect is the intransigence to considering ideas that violate their own brainwashing. Perhaps those populations I've seen in my life are uncharacteristic of the broader scope of humanity. I can only hope so, but I wonder.

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Bob - Enough's avatar

I was not having a go !. I agree with what you state and we can all fall for it; all I am trying to state, is that "we get a higher level of copiousness and see through their sh@te. Just feels sorry for the ignorant masses.

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Bob - Enough's avatar

You state = I'm pretty sure I can distinguish propaganda from reality. Which reality?

Have we been to the moon ?

Did two pilots ????, circle around into the twin towers ?

Did we have a pandemic in 2000 ?

Believe in the PCR test ?

Believe in the Spanish flu ?

Who sent Germany all their fuel in WWII ?, or who funded all sides in WWII ?

You carry on with your "I'm pretty sure I can distinguish propaganda from reality." ..... but hey ho....

No offence, just getting tired.... but they even are so arrogant now, they shove it at us and mock us.

Just my view...

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

If you read my comment, you read about interpersonal interactions, fairly intimate conversations I've had with scores of students in 40 years, I got pretty good at using experience plus intuition to parse bullshit and really get a feel for where a lot of these folks were coming from. As to the larger questions you pose, I make no claim to any sort of ecumenical knowledge.

In most of the cases you mention, I assume corruption st some level simply because it appears to be the way the society at large and many or most of its institutions are structured to encourage; with that as preface, how can anyone know? Except for certain items within my sphere of expertise for which I have a studied opinion, for example PCR, which has applications in research within bounds but should stay the hell out of clinical medicine. The other examples you mention, I plead ignorance founded on the near certainty of corruption.

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Landru's avatar

My friend, I feel the same way. Many days I am at a loss for words, my collaborators are happy about that though.

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russian_bot's avatar

They don't care how that which helps them advance their goals is called at any particular point in time. Today it's this, yesterday that, and tomorrow something else.

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catothewiser's avatar

It is an evil cult. It is organized crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnnnsR6sMP0

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Major Depressive 🎢's avatar

You can safely go with your gut in this instance.

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Marci Sudlow's avatar

This escalated lockdown on free speech across the "free world" is very disturbing.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

What's interesting to me as an American who usually freely craps on his own country is that, in this instance, I'm extra pissed off because we're accustomed to an actually documented free speech guarantee in our bill of rights. I find that's actually true for me; propaganda or not, I grew up believing it.

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Susan T's avatar

I have always freely crapped on my country's government whenever I felt it was necessary (Canada in my case). I also crapped on the State of Israel quite often. For that I was called an antisemite (altho people weren't being jailed for saying that at the time) but I was never called an anti Canadian. It is crazy that we are now at risk of jail time if we say anything about Palestinian rights or anything about the Israeli soldiers shooting kids in the head just because they feel like it.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

It is beyond crazy, Susan. Worldwide muzzling of speech because one country of 7 million insists on it? Absurd.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

No, Vin - it is not the one country of 7 million that insists on it - it is the minority in power (in western countries) that have their wealth, economic systems, and way of life (including suppresssion, oppression, and exploitation in the maintaining of the existing status quo) that insists on it.

Attacking Zionism (and Israel) threatens the status quo of these 'power elite' minorities (irrespective of being Jewish or not). Hence, to maintain the existing unjust hierarchies of oppression, exploitation, etc., and protect the wealth (and way of life) of these 'power elite', the West is taking DESPERATE ACTIONS (like blatant and egregious violations of free speech) across Western nations.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

I absolutely must agree with that analysis, Chang since it elaborates so eloquently upon my original theme, "amoral humans using violence to enrich themselves".

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Peter Sawchuk's avatar

Bingo!

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Israel is beloved of much Big Money. And Big Money rules the Western world.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

And such a sordid love affair it is!

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Major Depressive 🎢's avatar

If they include stuff you've posted in the past, I'll be doing life in the federal butt fuck pen.

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Feral Finster's avatar

As little love as I have for racists, I support their right to freedom of speech.

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Susan T's avatar

you mean those racists who are governing us?

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Zibon Wakboj's avatar

Sure. It doesn't mean we must obey their free speech.

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martin's avatar

as mr dore often says: the counter to 'bad' speech is not a prohibition, but more free speech. this censorship is the cutting off of dialectics, because rulers know it will ultimately endanger their privileged position.

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catothewiser's avatar

"Racism" is the answer. If it wasn't, the Zionists/globalist would not be obsessed with opposing it.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Yeah the 'globalists' like Trudeau are Zionists and 'anti-globalists' like Hesgeth are Zionists. The former can quote LGBTQ+ in full and is a Russia hawk but the latter (also the defence Secretary of the biggest military power) is a China/commumist hawk and is openly sexist, racist and violently Islamophobic.

But they agree where it counts- on Israel.

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martin's avatar

and it sets a precedent. empire is fully cashing in on the holocaust-industry. if they can make the public ultimately accept this for this subject, they'll be moving on to the next, like stating that people are exploited.

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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Zionists are Terrorists

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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Israel is a Terrorist State.

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Longtrail's avatar

My country the USA, the enabler of the Zionist State holds the title of World's Foremost Terrorist State. Our AIPAC🇺🇸🇮🇱 controlled government leads the Anglo-Zionist Empire of Lies and Hate🇺🇸🇪🇺🇫🇲🇮🇱.

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catothewiser's avatar

They are just organized criminals.

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Citizen's avatar

Zionists are always changing the meaning of words. Everything is a grey area which is always judged on the side of the Zionists. Why aren't they jailing most of the commentators on Sky News Australia like Erin Morlan and Sharri Markson who constantly say every Palestinian is a terrorist, endlessly repeat "October 7th" while never mentioning the previous 75+ years or anything that has happened since "October 7th" and that all the Gazans deserve what has happened the last 17 months.

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Major Depressive 🎢's avatar

It's a designed information mismanagement tactic called Hasbara. The world must render Hasbara impotent.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

CJ>>"Westerners need to understand that we have moved far beyond the point where Israel is a threat only to middle eastern lives: it’s a threat to us all, because the western governments who support it are stomping out our basic freedoms with increasing aggression in order to silence all criticisms of its abuses."

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CJ>>"Zionism is a threat to civil rights everywhere. Zionism threatens us all."

🎯💯👏 Zionism is EVIL - and it is MORE than just a threat to civil rights. It is colonialism. It is imperialism. It is class warfare. It is exploitative and oppressive capitalism. The way the West has seemingly united behind Zionism, at this point in time Zionism is WAY WORSE than Nazism (with the full effects/consequences of Zionism still to be felt several generations into the future).

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Nick Douglas's avatar

100% agree

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Erwin Warth's avatar

Well said! Well and truly paving the way to totalitarianism. We look the other to way at our own peril. Dystopian! Hope the Aussies remember that when they cast their vote. There are alternatives like Australian Citizens Party

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David Baird's avatar

Right Erwin. 'Straya, the land of the fair go, allegedly, not-so-gently placing its finger on the scales of justice. Together with either utterly biased or supine media, it does not bode well for the furtherance of our fair-go society. Right, too, about options like ACP. The LabLib duopoly has no answers.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

And it's happening all over the western world. Conflating Zionism with Judaism is an insult to many Jews, especially the ones who oppose Israel's genocide.

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Sam's avatar

Wait till Trump starts throwing Jewish Americans in prison like he’s threatening to do to anyone who protests Israel. That’s gonna leave a mark.

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Jazzme's avatar

Could someone explain to me why the dyspora of European Jews in Isreal choose ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and other Arabs over returning to their country of origan and living in peace.

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Citizen's avatar

Because they are never to blame for anything they do. They are the eternal victims.

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Susan T's avatar

They are taught from birth that Arabs hate them, that Israel is their country, that they have the right to be there and that everyone who does not support colonialism in the form of Israel and Zionism is an antisemite.

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Susan T's avatar

Because they bought the lie that it was a "land without a people for a people without a land" and also Europe really wanted to get those pesky Jews out of their hair. Even Nazis supported Zionism. Probably still do. They are similiar ideologies.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

If you look at the history of Zionism, including Christian Zionism, which pre-dated political zionism by hundreds of years, you will see that this political ideology developed at the time when western colonial imperialism was at the flood. Given the ready to hand support of the colonial powers, and the apparent inborn need to colonize that came with being European at the time, and mix that with being a member of a group suffering from bigoted acts against them, it was just an obvious, if, in hindsight, ill-advised choice.

I wonder if they had not believed their own hype about who the Palestinians were, and their unshakeable ties to their ancestral lands, if they might have tried this elsewhere, not likely to have been all that successful anywhere, but the Palestinians are a force to be reckoned with. But racism distorts the vision. At the time it bagan, the zionists did not have any reason to reconsider their plans. By the time the war ended, it appears they were too far committed to consider reclaiming their European homes. More's the pity. And we, the world, and especially the Palestinians have paid, and are still paying, the price for this failed project.

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Susan T's avatar

Christian Zionists believe that when the Israelites return to Israel they are going to shed all their clothes and rise naked to the right hand side of God. I love the idea of all those fat asses floating up through the clouds. Armageddon.

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denise's avatar

Is it failed? - I wonder....constant destabilising of the middle east, the 'colonialists' (eastern europe via western capitals) maintaining a big stake in this vital part of the world - divide and rule, chaos etc. Seems to be the way they operate.

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Peter Giaschi's avatar

Cold comfort, but precisely the same thing is happening in Canada. We colonial outposts, aren't we just the shit?

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Mike's avatar

It’s not just the outposts, the UK is just the same, our PM is married to a Jew, and says he is a Zionist. He and his government are happy to slap down “free speech” when it comes to Gaza, and protesting about anything to improve the lot of people in general.

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Duane McPherson's avatar

And it is happening now in America. Criticism of Israel here is now branded as 'antisemitic' and therefore a civil rights violation. The process is starting with financial sanctions by the Trump administration against universities that allowed pro-Palestine demonstrations, and the next step will be to criminalize anti-Zionist comments as hate speech. Pseudo-left progressivists paved the way for this by trivializing the First Amendment as 'free-speech absolutism' that was being 'privilieged' to abuse the feelings of minorities. Now that idiocy is coming back around to bite them.

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Johnson's avatar

It’s strangling free speech every where.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Dear Caitlin,

Please be safe. I don't have to tell you to be strong, for that I know you are! Thank you for your courage.

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Landru's avatar

Thank you, I need say more. Hugs.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

DAWN has urged the ICC prosecutor to investigate and prosecute former President Biden, State Secretary Blinken and Defense Secretary Austin for their personal roles in aiding and abetting Israeli war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide in Gaza as part of his ongoing investigation into the situations in Palestine since 2014.

https://dawnmena.org/latest/

Let’s give them our support.

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Rob Roy's avatar

Joy, except the new ICC head is a fanatic Evangelical Zionist. We won't get help from her.

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Landru's avatar

Thank you, always looking for ways to support justice for the Palestinian people.

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Joseph Ellis's avatar

Most politicians engage in all kinds of offensive political rhetoric yet they're not in jail, hmmmm 🤔

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Rob Roy's avatar

Joseph E, You are right. We should demand the President, his cabinet, most of Congress all register as agents of a foreign country, Israel. I wonder why no reporters ever bring that up when they're questioning politicians. We could also ask that of legacy news outlets.

Caitlin and Tim, every time I read/hear you, I am amazed you can hit the nail on the head every time!

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

JFK was pretty solid on the notion that AIPAC's predecessor (AZC, I think) would have to register. So, of course, he paid the consequences in a world run by Zionist maniacs.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Zionism must be destroyed!

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Eileen Gibson's avatar

A very good analysis, as usual. Thank you.

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Timothy Butler's avatar

So Very True, I loathe being controlled by the Minority 😞

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