I was truly impressed by the erudition and quality of Butch Ware's arguments -- compare this quality gentleman with the VP mediocrities Walz (D) and Vance (R) and it tells you what you need to know about the duopoly. They give us the cream of the crap every four years, then find the emptiest of arguments proffered by the emptiest suits (AOC) to criticize folks of genuine substance like Stein and Ware.
Sadly, at my 81 years, I could find focus only for the first 15 minutes or so of the 47-minute interview...but they amply confirmed my respect for Chris Hedges and my determination to vote (again!) for the Green Party and 2024's Dr. Stein and Professor Ware as a great and essential team!
Either that or a new Campbell's cream-of soup, with leftover politician bloviation exudates collected by gas-capture technology and substituted for chicken or mushroom bits to flavor a soup guaranteed to make you spout drivel like a pro.
I'm not surprised. I could tell AOC was a plant from day one. Just a pretty face to fool people into not examining too closely what she was actually up to. A distraction.
Maybe, but I think she got 'schooled' by Pelosi. It's what happens to every politician; arrive with ideals, stay by selling your soul. Either way, she is now worse than useless.
True it happens. Many or even most honest politicians get corrupted.
But in the case of AOC it was a setup from the start. The Dems had a Dems establishment politician in that constituency who strategically laid down and let her pretend to be on a socialist wave. It was sheepdogging, to suck away the people who would otherwise have shunned the Dems and worked harder to build and actual left party with the Greens.
You need to understand that the Dems do a lot of this: they handpick young minorities who they are sure will obey orders, then put them in the minor leagues as "community organisers" (with murky funding) to gain credibility in the streets. Then the start pushing them up the ranks in elections. See Corey Booker, and Obama for examples of this model.
I fell for it. The fact that she fought Pelosi like mad at first made me like her. Then Pelosi painted a target on the squads backs for the Republicans made me think they were actually pushing. I guess they just took her inside and bought her, IDK.
I wrote the Justice Democrats today, specifically AOC and told her I was ashamed I ever trusted her and that all she is is a political hack and doesn't care about her constituents or justice.
I continued by telling the rest of the Group that they should distance themselves from her and regain their integrity and embrace the promise they made to fight for justice and not just in the US, but in Palestine, Ukraine, Yemen, Sudan and all countries suffering from US sanctions and interference and bombing.
I know that won't do anything, but I felt better. I don't like being played and the Dems haven't tricked me for years, but AOC did.
I NEVER trusted Obama. Voted for Ralph Nader. He was less transparent than Harris, an empty suit. He even said and I've looked all over the Internet for his comment... "I don't even need a platform or position. I'm like a chalkboard."
The Democrats (and liberals) think they are the party of the "left". They virtue signal and display fake bouts of morality (the Republicans do this too, though in different ways). Unfortunately, few liberals know what "left" means. We have two right-wing parties in the US - the Dems and Repubs, and NO left-wing party strong enough to challenge them. This is by design - as Caitlin says, the system is designed this way so as to keep POWER in hands of the Power Elite, Empire Managers, Oligarchs and maintain the status quo.
AOC's condemnation of Stein completely ignores the insurmountable obstacles deliberately erected by both democrats and republicans to prevent alternative political parties from gaining any traction whatsoever. AOC conveniently neglects to mention that, unlike third-party candidates, neither democrat nor republican candidates are required to pass a signature threshold just to get on the ballot. Democrat criticism of Jill Stein is like white people in the 1900's blaming black people for their lack of worldly success.
indeed, first they ignore you, then they'll make fun of you, then they fight you and then you win. seems stein has gotten past stage 1 (although dems were already fighting the greens regarding ballot access). given the noise from empire, they must be doing something right.
Completely agree. The greatest achievement of Jill Stein was to make Butch her running mate. He is awesome BUT he is also a gentleman and brings everything he says back to Jill Stein.
Yes, I thought Caitlin overlooked this aspect of the unequal contest. The Democrats do anything at all to make sure that Jill Stein won't win, and it's rubbing salt in the wounds to taunt her with it afterwards.
Well said! & so true!!! My Reaction to this was … yeah, 3rd parties are victims of BS rules rigged in D & R’s favor… & they call it winning… & a democracy!!!
"How much of a “win” are you even capable of in such a system if you actually care about making the world a better place?"
The answer is it's not a "win" if you don't make the world a better place. Padding your own bank account (like Nancy Pelosi and her gangs do in Congress) doesn't count as a "win." Not providing universal health care, free education through college, adequate housing, etc., is not "winning" by a long shot.
And AOC and the rest of the Dems have got their knickers in a twist because a recent CAIR survey among Muslim voters shows Jill Stein ahead of Harris 40% to 12% in Michigan. Jill is also leading Harris with Muslim voters in Wisconsin and Arizona. And there are other trends showing the Dems are fading fast. Supporting a candidate who enables a genocide of innocents isn't much of a draw to all American voters after all, thank heaven.
I am cautiously optimistic it’s not just the muslim voters who’re switching over to Dr. Stein. Americans need to wake tf up before they get pushed off the fast approaching cliff. The edge is within sight now…
The Blob won't let her win. It doesn't matter to them how it's done, but she won't be allowed to win.
The BIG THING they are afraid of is the Nation Hearing her and wanting her. The OVERTON WINDOW is at play here, as it was when twice it looked like Bernie would win. We all know he wouldn't have been allowed to change anything, but the OVERTIME WINDOW was in play. That is ALL important at a time when there is a plan to take away our hopes and dreams of something better, of representative government, of no more wars, of being able to eat, have a roof over our heads or even getting our teeth repaired.
Just think a fixed tooth can cost as much as $5,000 and most of, if not all of that, comes out of pocket. My husband and I have forgone most of our teeth repairs (only getting those ones fixed that could infect us) because insurance doesn't cover 'cosmetic', even if not repairing it leads to an infection that can go systematic.
Very true. Dr. Stein will not win, but that’s not a reason to not vote for her. The ruling class must learn there still exist millions of Americans with a conscience, and that we are coming for them.
Oh absolutely. They need to hear our message, even if they act as if they don't care.
It's all about the Overton Window! They've been working that Always. That's one reason to capture the MSM. Control group thought, but letting them know they lost the narrative... well we see all the censorship happening. The Overton Window is a Big Deal.
"Some of the worst people in the world have won elections." And one of those people is, unfortunately, my MP. He calls himself a "proud Zionist". I asked him how he could say that given what the Zionists are doing in Gaza. He told me I just don't understand. He claims to represent his constituents. I told him he didn't represent me and he didn't even represent all Jews, only those who agreed with him. Of course, he was not concerned about any of that because he is a winner. I guess the winners of the world don't need to concern themselves with teensy things like 50,000 people and more murdered, mostly women and children.
What AOC didn't mention was all the time, effort and money the Dems are spending running around the country attempting to keep third parties off the ballot, which they've done for years. So her beloved party is actively making it difficult to impossible for people to vote alternative while she scolds Jill for not winning elections. Did she think no one knew about this or is she simply caught up in the substance-free, surreal political landscape we have, where someone like Kamala Harris can be the darling of the intelligentsia while appearing to know less about policy than I do, what with my YouTube education? (I know you can get a PhD without knowing how to write worth a crap, but to get through law school AND a career as a prosecutor with no ability to think on your feet? It takes my breath away.) Whatever it is, I cannot abide the intense hypocrisy of that fucking party, and I would have refused it my support even without the unforgivable sin of genocide.
Something I’ve noticed. Which “party” was in power in the USA leading up to WW1 & during WW1? Democrats. Which “party” was in power in the USA leading up to WW2 & during WW2?? Yes, again Democrats. Which party is in power in the USA today & is pushing for wars in Palestine, supporting a genocidal regime called Israel who has clearly committed numerous war crimes & pushing for an unjust war in Ukraine against Russia, who is threatening retaliation against the West if it allows Ukraine to strike deep into Russia?? Again, Democrats.
Too much of a coincidence. Does it mean the Republicans should get in? No. Trump is even MORE pro Israel, thus he’s more genocidal.
Vote for an independent who is against ALL WARS & who will NOT support Israel.
It’s no coincidence. it’s always been one party with two brands. When they want to push the boundaries of human rights, they make sure brand blue is in power because people most active in pushing for basic human rights consider themselves democrats and can’t believe their party could be responsible for the worst atrocities, so they get away with it. When they need a good financial crisis and transfer of wealth, the out in brand red.
Oh that’s true but plez he also didn’t stop the old ones in fact he doubled down on the illegal sanctions, continued to fund the regime change war against Syria by funding terrorists proxies such as Isis further exasperating tensions in the region with an assassination & let’s not forget unilaterally designated Jerusalem as the capital of the Zionist terror state.
false. Last time I checked negotiation is a GOOD thing. He was trying to get us out of Afghanistan in an organized and negotiated manner, not the ultra stupid way Biden did it running out in the middle of the night and getting thousands killed. You really think negotiating is bad? BTW, BIDEN/HARRIS are the dictators that are taking away every right enumerated in the constitution. The only rights they believe in are abortion, trans, and pedophile "rights".
that's not true at all. Victoria Nuland is a deep stater that's been in and out of State dept (Bush, Clinton/Obama, and Biden/Harris govts) and "think tanks" who has been agitating for a war with Russia for decades and is who pushed the US/EU/NATO to instigate this war. All NATO had to do was tell Ukraine they will not be in NATO. Additionally, Ukraine elected a pro Russian president previously and Obama and Hillary instigated and ran the coup in that country in 2014 that removed that elected leader so they could put in a US puppet. This war is a democrat party and deep state war and they are the ones pushing it towards the nuclear WW3 brink. BTW, what did the US do when Russian started putting missiles into our neighboring country of Cuba? WE INVADED. (not in a competent manner but we did). Time to get off the high horse on Russia doing what we would do too. This is the USA fault, mostly Obama with the coup and destabilizing that country.
Trump appointed Bolton. his son in law is involved with developing real estate deals in Gaza. You are also confusing the Missile Crisis with the Bay of Pigs.--you have it right under what the US did, but in fact the US started putting Missiles in Turkey first--I think that was under Ike. . The neocons are parasites that infest both parties and the deep state. same foreign policy under Bush/Cheney.
indeed, nuland -> robert kagan -> daddy donald kagan -> pnac -> neocons freed from the cellar by bush 1, one big happy family, uniparty, duopoly. victoria was indeed a red flag when she gave out cookies on maidan. 'if hillary's & obama's dems really thought iraq was a neocon fuck-up, wtf was nuland doing in europe and ukraine?'
That is not the point. Anyone who votes for Jill Stein knows she is not likely to win. However, some voters are claiming a higher moral ground with their vote against genocide and war. The kind of people capitulating to genocide have no moral ground to stand on.
If everyone who likes what Jill Stein stands for votes for her, she could win. That's what is driving the oligarchy crazy this week with all the smears and taunts online. You don't waste that much energy on someone who isn't capable of inspiring others and winning.
Anyone who believes they are throwing away their vote by not voting for who they believe is the best candidate is just giving their vote away to those who want to manipulate them.
"some voters are claiming a higher moral ground" - they are indeed. They need to stroke their egos and satisfy their vanity mindlessly supporting the corrupt system.
Which is fundamentally corrupt - there's no chance for any third party, ever. By design. And anybody's participation in such a corrupt system is helping legitimize it.
After the 2016 voting sham, I figured this out for myself. Since then, I have been telling people the same thing: your vote is a vote of confidence for a system that doesn't represent you.
can you conceive of a strategy to keep conservative evangelicals out of the voting booth? and do you think their numbers would be sufficient to 'legitimize the system'?
There's no "we". Everyone decides for themselves whether to sit down and play cards knowing the cards dealt are marked.
Such a player cannot claim he didn't contribute to the legitimacy of the rigged game. And that's the contribution that counts. And you are totally responsible for being an active collaborator.
In 2016 the Dems manipulated Jill Stein's votes in order to prevent the Green Party from getting the 5% of the vote that they needed to be listed as a party in the US.
That was when I realized that the electoral system in the US is so rotten that voting doesn't count if they can just change the numbers to support their candidate whenever they want.
That's when I started telling people to STOP VOTING. If we would all boycott this corruption, we wouldn't be validating their scam. That's all a vote in America is any more: a show of confidence in a system that doesn't represent you.
If everyone could hear Jill Stein speak or watch her in a debate, if she had the exposure, I bet she would win the election! I wish she had a more visible to the masses platform.
All parties have only one route to winning (currently) -> following the commands of, and being loyal to, the Empire Managers. The system is designed that way. That's why it is so challenging for others to break through this setup.
and isn't it amazing that all those dem voters to hated and ignored her now worship and fawn over her without a thought of irony in their dainty brains? they are just CNN automatons.
Lol Michael… Trump signs in my rural area. I have the only Stein sign I’ve seen at home but have seen a number of them in Colorado where I am currently.
Thank you Caitlin!! If welcoming Dick Cheney into the fold didn't do it, AOC's comments ought to wake millions of Americans up to who/what the Democrats really are. It fires me up even more for Dr. Jill!!
By itself it won't for sure. Neither will any one spokesperson. Jill Stein has a big microphone now... and she's saying what I've been seeing/thinking, writing and saying for over 50 years...
So I support her totally, as I do Caitlin, and everyone I find that is standing up to oppression. I used to have a smaller presence where I reached maybe 200K people at its height... now it;s rather minuscule but I stir the fire wherever I can.
Regarding Jill Stein... to me every vote for her is a win!! Every single vote. Every vote is a person saying I wont take it anymore. and there are more of us than we know. We desperately need to know the power we are together.
I feel our country going to shit no matter which of the duopoly wins - take your pick - genocide, world war and maybe nuclear winter, or climate catastrophe by fire. earth, air, and water - and it's accompanying ecocide. Both coming our way by either party.
Our only hope is us.. lots and lots and lots of us...Right Now!
At the same time, I suggest everyone of us look deep inside - find the peace within - our wholeness that leads to healing - and the recognition that we all are one.
We must wake from the death dream of separation that has taken us to where we are. Recognize how we got here. Own it. And make it right.
I don't think that voting is going to make the change that we need. It's the coward's way of making a difference.
Please read From Dictatorship to Democracy by Dr Gene Sharp. We have to put our bodies where our mouths are, and not just pull a lever in in the voting machine.
One of the major dangers of these arguments is they can easily become shaming matches, and nobody wants to be accused of being immoral, uncaring, etc. And telling people that supporting Harris is supporting genocide will not sway them. Instead, they will double-down in defensiveness, and talk about how much worse things will be under Trump. Of course they won't be, but good luck trying to convince them. US Empire is crumbling, the ruling class would prefer a Harris to install the necessary authoritarianism. Keep the populace as passive as possible. If we cannot build an alternative, and soon, Mother Earth will step in or the non-replenishable resources on which industrial civilization depends will be sufficiently depleted to cause a total collapse. So let's not waste our time trying to win that narrow argument and get busy creating a viable alternative.
Well, I think Jill Stein is something better, and every vote she gets will make the Dems nervous. That's why they are attacking her so much, trying to get her thrown off the ballot in multiple states, getting their assassins (e.g. AOC) to attack her.
What is better than a revolving-door between the highest echelons in government and corporations ??? ...
These despicable creatures just forget three simple facts:
- money is no guarantee for happiness,
- you can't even eat it and
- there's no coffin with a roof-rack.
Pathologic narcissists without any empathy should be singled-out from primary-school-age and prevented from ever reaching any kind of public office, even at community-level, during their shelf-live on this planet.
I was truly impressed by the erudition and quality of Butch Ware's arguments -- compare this quality gentleman with the VP mediocrities Walz (D) and Vance (R) and it tells you what you need to know about the duopoly. They give us the cream of the crap every four years, then find the emptiest of arguments proffered by the emptiest suits (AOC) to criticize folks of genuine substance like Stein and Ware.
Cream of the crap. Well put.
I love it too!!!
An interview of Jill Stein and Butch Ware by Chris Hedges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO7RCSXakQ4
Sadly, at my 81 years, I could find focus only for the first 15 minutes or so of the 47-minute interview...but they amply confirmed my respect for Chris Hedges and my determination to vote (again!) for the Green Party and 2024's Dr. Stein and Professor Ware as a great and essential team!
Viva Palestine!
"Cream of the crap"? Is that yet another 'dairy free' Starbucks 'Gentleman's Latte' option these days? ;)
Either that or a new Campbell's cream-of soup, with leftover politician bloviation exudates collected by gas-capture technology and substituted for chicken or mushroom bits to flavor a soup guaranteed to make you spout drivel like a pro.
Vin. 😂😂😂
I love it too! Perfectly descriptive.
It makes me sad to see what AOC has become. I didn't think she'd become a defender of genocide.
I'm not surprised. I could tell AOC was a plant from day one. Just a pretty face to fool people into not examining too closely what she was actually up to. A distraction.
Maybe, but I think she got 'schooled' by Pelosi. It's what happens to every politician; arrive with ideals, stay by selling your soul. Either way, she is now worse than useless.
True it happens. Many or even most honest politicians get corrupted.
But in the case of AOC it was a setup from the start. The Dems had a Dems establishment politician in that constituency who strategically laid down and let her pretend to be on a socialist wave. It was sheepdogging, to suck away the people who would otherwise have shunned the Dems and worked harder to build and actual left party with the Greens.
You need to understand that the Dems do a lot of this: they handpick young minorities who they are sure will obey orders, then put them in the minor leagues as "community organisers" (with murky funding) to gain credibility in the streets. Then the start pushing them up the ranks in elections. See Corey Booker, and Obama for examples of this model.
How about this? Trump, pro-choice buddy of the Clintons, is a Dem. plant.
A+
Yes
I fell for it. The fact that she fought Pelosi like mad at first made me like her. Then Pelosi painted a target on the squads backs for the Republicans made me think they were actually pushing. I guess they just took her inside and bought her, IDK.
I wrote the Justice Democrats today, specifically AOC and told her I was ashamed I ever trusted her and that all she is is a political hack and doesn't care about her constituents or justice.
I continued by telling the rest of the Group that they should distance themselves from her and regain their integrity and embrace the promise they made to fight for justice and not just in the US, but in Palestine, Ukraine, Yemen, Sudan and all countries suffering from US sanctions and interference and bombing.
I know that won't do anything, but I felt better. I don't like being played and the Dems haven't tricked me for years, but AOC did.
Yup,obama
I NEVER trusted Obama. Voted for Ralph Nader. He was less transparent than Harris, an empty suit. He even said and I've looked all over the Internet for his comment... "I don't even need a platform or position. I'm like a chalkboard."
I swear he said that, but can't find it.
I never trusted Obama either and I was called a racist for saying so.
Yeah, such a stupid response to a legitimate concern. My siblings, I'm so disappointed by them all, did that too.
One learns at times like this who people really are. I never thought my siblings would be so narrow, closed minded and believe the MSM so deeply.
I guess the adage of not talking politics at the table is so you never learn how ignorant or whatever your family is. ; )
“political starlet” was my early take
She put luxury and privileges of power over principles. She doesn't want to lose those so she complies. What an unprincipled hack she is.
I knew from the get-gp that she'd be quickly housebroken, just another Team D apparatchik.
She isn't and never has been.
Yon Cassius has a lean and hungry look.
All these people were probably put under hypnosis and now they don't really know who or what they are.
By "hypnosis" you mean money and/or blackmail, right?
they are winners. What else do they need?
I know people with integrity or morals don't want to win if that what it is.
Yeah. Feel the same.
The Democrats (and liberals) think they are the party of the "left". They virtue signal and display fake bouts of morality (the Republicans do this too, though in different ways). Unfortunately, few liberals know what "left" means. We have two right-wing parties in the US - the Dems and Repubs, and NO left-wing party strong enough to challenge them. This is by design - as Caitlin says, the system is designed this way so as to keep POWER in hands of the Power Elite, Empire Managers, Oligarchs and maintain the status quo.
AOC's condemnation of Stein completely ignores the insurmountable obstacles deliberately erected by both democrats and republicans to prevent alternative political parties from gaining any traction whatsoever. AOC conveniently neglects to mention that, unlike third-party candidates, neither democrat nor republican candidates are required to pass a signature threshold just to get on the ballot. Democrat criticism of Jill Stein is like white people in the 1900's blaming black people for their lack of worldly success.
Seems to me the Dems are getting worried.........keep going Jill Stein and Butch.
indeed, first they ignore you, then they'll make fun of you, then they fight you and then you win. seems stein has gotten past stage 1 (although dems were already fighting the greens regarding ballot access). given the noise from empire, they must be doing something right.
Completely agree. The greatest achievement of Jill Stein was to make Butch her running mate. He is awesome BUT he is also a gentleman and brings everything he says back to Jill Stein.
I watched the interview with Chris Hedges.
You make several salient points and valid arguments Third Eye:
Thank you and Point ON.
Well said!
Yes, I thought Caitlin overlooked this aspect of the unequal contest. The Democrats do anything at all to make sure that Jill Stein won't win, and it's rubbing salt in the wounds to taunt her with it afterwards.
Well said! & so true!!! My Reaction to this was … yeah, 3rd parties are victims of BS rules rigged in D & R’s favor… & they call it winning… & a democracy!!!
I would be sympathetic, however it appears Ms Stein seems not to care :
For a reason.
"How much of a “win” are you even capable of in such a system if you actually care about making the world a better place?"
The answer is it's not a "win" if you don't make the world a better place. Padding your own bank account (like Nancy Pelosi and her gangs do in Congress) doesn't count as a "win." Not providing universal health care, free education through college, adequate housing, etc., is not "winning" by a long shot.
And AOC and the rest of the Dems have got their knickers in a twist because a recent CAIR survey among Muslim voters shows Jill Stein ahead of Harris 40% to 12% in Michigan. Jill is also leading Harris with Muslim voters in Wisconsin and Arizona. And there are other trends showing the Dems are fading fast. Supporting a candidate who enables a genocide of innocents isn't much of a draw to all American voters after all, thank heaven.
I am cautiously optimistic it’s not just the muslim voters who’re switching over to Dr. Stein. Americans need to wake tf up before they get pushed off the fast approaching cliff. The edge is within sight now…
The Blob won't let her win. It doesn't matter to them how it's done, but she won't be allowed to win.
The BIG THING they are afraid of is the Nation Hearing her and wanting her. The OVERTON WINDOW is at play here, as it was when twice it looked like Bernie would win. We all know he wouldn't have been allowed to change anything, but the OVERTIME WINDOW was in play. That is ALL important at a time when there is a plan to take away our hopes and dreams of something better, of representative government, of no more wars, of being able to eat, have a roof over our heads or even getting our teeth repaired.
Just think a fixed tooth can cost as much as $5,000 and most of, if not all of that, comes out of pocket. My husband and I have forgone most of our teeth repairs (only getting those ones fixed that could infect us) because insurance doesn't cover 'cosmetic', even if not repairing it leads to an infection that can go systematic.
Very true. Dr. Stein will not win, but that’s not a reason to not vote for her. The ruling class must learn there still exist millions of Americans with a conscience, and that we are coming for them.
Oh absolutely. They need to hear our message, even if they act as if they don't care.
It's all about the Overton Window! They've been working that Always. That's one reason to capture the MSM. Control group thought, but letting them know they lost the narrative... well we see all the censorship happening. The Overton Window is a Big Deal.
My state of Michigan is gonna kick Harris’ big fat ass!
The I-75 corridor is where the so-called progressives usually vote. The rest of the state’s fairly red.
And the above mentioned I-75 corridor is where the majority of Arab-Americans and Muslims reside, especially Flint and Detroit.
Buh-bye, Harris, you backstabbing motherfucker piece of shit!
"Some of the worst people in the world have won elections." And one of those people is, unfortunately, my MP. He calls himself a "proud Zionist". I asked him how he could say that given what the Zionists are doing in Gaza. He told me I just don't understand. He claims to represent his constituents. I told him he didn't represent me and he didn't even represent all Jews, only those who agreed with him. Of course, he was not concerned about any of that because he is a winner. I guess the winners of the world don't need to concern themselves with teensy things like 50,000 people and more murdered, mostly women and children.
Hi Susan
Ralph Nader puts the number at closer to 300,000. 🤬
yeah the slaughter hasn't stopped, but the Israelis targeed the UN workers and hospitals for a reason.
What AOC didn't mention was all the time, effort and money the Dems are spending running around the country attempting to keep third parties off the ballot, which they've done for years. So her beloved party is actively making it difficult to impossible for people to vote alternative while she scolds Jill for not winning elections. Did she think no one knew about this or is she simply caught up in the substance-free, surreal political landscape we have, where someone like Kamala Harris can be the darling of the intelligentsia while appearing to know less about policy than I do, what with my YouTube education? (I know you can get a PhD without knowing how to write worth a crap, but to get through law school AND a career as a prosecutor with no ability to think on your feet? It takes my breath away.) Whatever it is, I cannot abide the intense hypocrisy of that fucking party, and I would have refused it my support even without the unforgivable sin of genocide.
Something I’ve noticed. Which “party” was in power in the USA leading up to WW1 & during WW1? Democrats. Which “party” was in power in the USA leading up to WW2 & during WW2?? Yes, again Democrats. Which party is in power in the USA today & is pushing for wars in Palestine, supporting a genocidal regime called Israel who has clearly committed numerous war crimes & pushing for an unjust war in Ukraine against Russia, who is threatening retaliation against the West if it allows Ukraine to strike deep into Russia?? Again, Democrats.
Too much of a coincidence. Does it mean the Republicans should get in? No. Trump is even MORE pro Israel, thus he’s more genocidal.
Vote for an independent who is against ALL WARS & who will NOT support Israel.
It’s no coincidence. it’s always been one party with two brands. When they want to push the boundaries of human rights, they make sure brand blue is in power because people most active in pushing for basic human rights consider themselves democrats and can’t believe their party could be responsible for the worst atrocities, so they get away with it. When they need a good financial crisis and transfer of wealth, the out in brand red.
So accurate and well expressed!
D, I’d also like to point out that one certain party was responsible for dropping atomic bombs on Japanese civilian centers.
German civilian centres too.
newsflash, Trump started NO WARS.
Oh that’s true but plez he also didn’t stop the old ones in fact he doubled down on the illegal sanctions, continued to fund the regime change war against Syria by funding terrorists proxies such as Isis further exasperating tensions in the region with an assassination & let’s not forget unilaterally designated Jerusalem as the capital of the Zionist terror state.
And buddied up with dictators and negotiated with Taliban, and is in bed with satanyahu. He would support settlements and be much worse for Palestjne.
false. Last time I checked negotiation is a GOOD thing. He was trying to get us out of Afghanistan in an organized and negotiated manner, not the ultra stupid way Biden did it running out in the middle of the night and getting thousands killed. You really think negotiating is bad? BTW, BIDEN/HARRIS are the dictators that are taking away every right enumerated in the constitution. The only rights they believe in are abortion, trans, and pedophile "rights".
Both Parties are controlled. The Dems provide cover for War crimes, the Republicans give us the Culture wars. It's All Divide and Conquer.
Don't fall for the Dems this and Repubs that. It's all the same for the Blob.
How?!
What could possibly be worse than what Hairy-ass and ByeDone are doing?
we'll see, no matter who wins, it will get worse.
And making Jerusalem the capital of an illegale state was a very dramatic statement! And a very bad one too!
He just didn't have the right person to tell him which one to start.
True, but he also started pumping Ukraine with lethal weapons which provoked the current war (how much he was a part of it is a question, of course).
that's not true at all. Victoria Nuland is a deep stater that's been in and out of State dept (Bush, Clinton/Obama, and Biden/Harris govts) and "think tanks" who has been agitating for a war with Russia for decades and is who pushed the US/EU/NATO to instigate this war. All NATO had to do was tell Ukraine they will not be in NATO. Additionally, Ukraine elected a pro Russian president previously and Obama and Hillary instigated and ran the coup in that country in 2014 that removed that elected leader so they could put in a US puppet. This war is a democrat party and deep state war and they are the ones pushing it towards the nuclear WW3 brink. BTW, what did the US do when Russian started putting missiles into our neighboring country of Cuba? WE INVADED. (not in a competent manner but we did). Time to get off the high horse on Russia doing what we would do too. This is the USA fault, mostly Obama with the coup and destabilizing that country.
Trump appointed Bolton. his son in law is involved with developing real estate deals in Gaza. You are also confusing the Missile Crisis with the Bay of Pigs.--you have it right under what the US did, but in fact the US started putting Missiles in Turkey first--I think that was under Ike. . The neocons are parasites that infest both parties and the deep state. same foreign policy under Bush/Cheney.
indeed, nuland -> robert kagan -> daddy donald kagan -> pnac -> neocons freed from the cellar by bush 1, one big happy family, uniparty, duopoly. victoria was indeed a red flag when she gave out cookies on maidan. 'if hillary's & obama's dems really thought iraq was a neocon fuck-up, wtf was nuland doing in europe and ukraine?'
News flash; Russia and China have just launched a first strike initiative on the Empire! 😆
When? No new wars?? No genocides?
I guess the only "news" you follow is from CNN?
Newsflash - it'll be Dems or Reps. Again.
That is not the point. Anyone who votes for Jill Stein knows she is not likely to win. However, some voters are claiming a higher moral ground with their vote against genocide and war. The kind of people capitulating to genocide have no moral ground to stand on.
If everyone who likes what Jill Stein stands for votes for her, she could win. That's what is driving the oligarchy crazy this week with all the smears and taunts online. You don't waste that much energy on someone who isn't capable of inspiring others and winning.
Anyone who believes they are throwing away their vote by not voting for who they believe is the best candidate is just giving their vote away to those who want to manipulate them.
"some voters are claiming a higher moral ground" - they are indeed. They need to stroke their egos and satisfy their vanity mindlessly supporting the corrupt system.
Which is fundamentally corrupt - there's no chance for any third party, ever. By design. And anybody's participation in such a corrupt system is helping legitimize it.
What's so hard to understand?
I'm with you!
After the 2016 voting sham, I figured this out for myself. Since then, I have been telling people the same thing: your vote is a vote of confidence for a system that doesn't represent you.
can you conceive of a strategy to keep conservative evangelicals out of the voting booth? and do you think their numbers would be sufficient to 'legitimize the system'?
So you believe the system is not corrupt then. Congratulations.
So should we not vote?
There's no "we". Everyone decides for themselves whether to sit down and play cards knowing the cards dealt are marked.
Such a player cannot claim he didn't contribute to the legitimacy of the rigged game. And that's the contribution that counts. And you are totally responsible for being an active collaborator.
Think about it, Gregor.
Yes!
In 2016 the Dems manipulated Jill Stein's votes in order to prevent the Green Party from getting the 5% of the vote that they needed to be listed as a party in the US.
That was when I realized that the electoral system in the US is so rotten that voting doesn't count if they can just change the numbers to support their candidate whenever they want.
That's when I started telling people to STOP VOTING. If we would all boycott this corruption, we wouldn't be validating their scam. That's all a vote in America is any more: a show of confidence in a system that doesn't represent you.
If everyone could hear Jill Stein speak or watch her in a debate, if she had the exposure, I bet she would win the election! I wish she had a more visible to the masses platform.
Democrats win elections by aligning with empire.
All parties have only one route to winning (currently) -> following the commands of, and being loyal to, the Empire Managers. The system is designed that way. That's why it is so challenging for others to break through this setup.
It's not that they are "loyal to" the Empire Managers. They ARE the Empire Managers.
I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020. I'm voting for Jill Stein this time because she is the only one who doesn't support mass murder.
You know who else hasn't won anything? Kamaltoe Harris.
She was getting beat by Butigeg and Bloomberg when she dropped out of the race polling 3%.
and isn't it amazing that all those dem voters to hated and ignored her now worship and fawn over her without a thought of irony in their dainty brains? they are just CNN automatons.
Yep I see the stupidity in all the lawn signs covering my neighborhood.
Lol Michael… Trump signs in my rural area. I have the only Stein sign I’ve seen at home but have seen a number of them in Colorado where I am currently.
"It’s like yes, you win elections under the current system by being a warmongering corporate whore."
Amen to that.
"Some of the worst people in the world have won elections."
Adolf is a good example.
Very true unfortunately. For example: Modi (in India) won thrice (though I would argue that the third win was more of a loss).
Thank you Caitlin!! If welcoming Dick Cheney into the fold didn't do it, AOC's comments ought to wake millions of Americans up to who/what the Democrats really are. It fires me up even more for Dr. Jill!!
No Bennett:
That won’t do it.
The spokesperson must be different than a politician.
By itself it won't for sure. Neither will any one spokesperson. Jill Stein has a big microphone now... and she's saying what I've been seeing/thinking, writing and saying for over 50 years...
So I support her totally, as I do Caitlin, and everyone I find that is standing up to oppression. I used to have a smaller presence where I reached maybe 200K people at its height... now it;s rather minuscule but I stir the fire wherever I can.
Regarding Jill Stein... to me every vote for her is a win!! Every single vote. Every vote is a person saying I wont take it anymore. and there are more of us than we know. We desperately need to know the power we are together.
I feel our country going to shit no matter which of the duopoly wins - take your pick - genocide, world war and maybe nuclear winter, or climate catastrophe by fire. earth, air, and water - and it's accompanying ecocide. Both coming our way by either party.
Our only hope is us.. lots and lots and lots of us...Right Now!
At the same time, I suggest everyone of us look deep inside - find the peace within - our wholeness that leads to healing - and the recognition that we all are one.
We must wake from the death dream of separation that has taken us to where we are. Recognize how we got here. Own it. And make it right.
I don't think that voting is going to make the change that we need. It's the coward's way of making a difference.
Please read From Dictatorship to Democracy by Dr Gene Sharp. We have to put our bodies where our mouths are, and not just pull a lever in in the voting machine.
Thank you Susan and Point ON :
However, most won’t do it.
So Did Kamala Harris win the nomination? I think she was a party appointee
Got some bad news for ya, Cheryl.
One of the major dangers of these arguments is they can easily become shaming matches, and nobody wants to be accused of being immoral, uncaring, etc. And telling people that supporting Harris is supporting genocide will not sway them. Instead, they will double-down in defensiveness, and talk about how much worse things will be under Trump. Of course they won't be, but good luck trying to convince them. US Empire is crumbling, the ruling class would prefer a Harris to install the necessary authoritarianism. Keep the populace as passive as possible. If we cannot build an alternative, and soon, Mother Earth will step in or the non-replenishable resources on which industrial civilization depends will be sufficiently depleted to cause a total collapse. So let's not waste our time trying to win that narrow argument and get busy creating a viable alternative.
Nothing will change until there is something better to offer.
Well, I think Jill Stein is something better, and every vote she gets will make the Dems nervous. That's why they are attacking her so much, trying to get her thrown off the ballot in multiple states, getting their assassins (e.g. AOC) to attack her.
What is better than a revolving-door between the highest echelons in government and corporations ??? ...
These despicable creatures just forget three simple facts:
- money is no guarantee for happiness,
- you can't even eat it and
- there's no coffin with a roof-rack.
Pathologic narcissists without any empathy should be singled-out from primary-school-age and prevented from ever reaching any kind of public office, even at community-level, during their shelf-live on this planet.