Anyone watching that speech will understand why US national security state hates Putin - Putin's critique of US is devastating and he represents an existential threat to US empire. I'm terrified, because Putin left no doubt that he's done with the US and will no longer tolerate "the rent of the hegemon".
That's exactly what I say! Try to get your average Joe American to listen/read this and it won't happen because it will flush the toilet of thought control!
I wrote my senator and said you don't get my vote until you promote detente. It may not do any good, but I have to try to get the word out that we need de-escalation.
I teach a Cold War class and Caitlin is 100% correct. JFK provoked the Cuban Missile Crisis, and then changed his mind. As a side note, it is interesting to realize that every American History textbook I've looked at tends to overlook that JFK first placed missiles in Cuba. They act the like Soviets just put missiles in Cuba all on their own.
The explanation is because Biden/Blinken gave the green light to Zelensky to make war on Donbass and provoke Russian retaliation or preemptive war. What John Mearsheimer calls "the primrose path".
I really don't think that the Russian government is that concerned by any puppet that is in the WH, as they all seem to be the same and dance on the strings of the real masters of the country (banksters, corporatists, billionaires, neo-libs and neo-cons, pseudo-progressives and pseudo-conservatives). My perception (not that I am anybody) is that Putin and his government have been too tolerant, too forgiving, too trusting of the West. IMO, that attitude more than anything else caused them to delay in their actions longer that they should have. The failure of diplomatic efforts by 2015 should have been enough to demonstrate that they (Russia) were invested in a false hope. Sad. Unnecessary...
I am not sure about that as after reading the speech President Putin provided during his request for the "Annexation" of the 4 regions he stated quite clearly the history and truthful understanding of the Criminal Elite who rule most countries and Russia's interactions with them. As I have mentioned before (since we are led to believe he is a "Mad Man") I just thought of Mr. Putin as another politician. I now believe he is the only sane person in a room of madness! He is probably the only hope to save the world from these Criminal Psychopaths!
I would venture huge slice of Russia population agrees with Robert. The lack of tit-for-tat pushback at the time of various western transgressions effectively enabled the West to go further and further. And so it came to this now.
Putin is under heavy criticism for this kind of behavior. I tend to agree with the caveat there might be something we don't know amounting to that, indeed, Russia had no means/resources to produce those pushbacks.
I'd love to live for another 50 years or so when the documents become available revealing what really is happening now.
I think you are right and my gut feeling has been that there may be something far more dark and sinister behind this attack that we will never know about. Something really BAD!
I'm with you - would love to know what is happening in the back rooms of the respective adversaries. At one time, I entertained the idea that in reality they are on the same side and just posturing for their hometown teams to maintain the hysteria and money flows, but this looks quite real and quite serious. We shall see!
I had hoped to get to 120 myself, but even that won't help for a 50 year look back! Maybe we can check in from The Great Beyond...
This is something I also had thought was going on that it was just another planned skeem for lining the bank accounts of both parties. The thing that got me looking closer was Mr. Putin's speech and the thing is he is not one of the Criminal Elite! They never admit to the pure clarity of the truthful speech Mr. Putin gave!
Yes, the 1915 soft approach by Russia could have created a feeling in the West that he was soft and able to be manipulated. Some of that is right but I consider he has now reached the point of no return.
The danger in my reckoning has always been NATO, giving excessive importance to countries of very little political relevance on the world scene . But as part of NATO, American proxy as it has become and has probably always has been if truth be known, they are pumped up by trying to give the impression that they are a unified army, capable of any task that confronts them, all seemingly very keen to outdo their associates while running up a massive weapons bill from the US .
There's the danger. One mistake, just one from a NATO operative, perhaps with a little help from the CIA, now that they have finished in the Baltic
Yes, Putin couldn't give up on believing that the West would act in good faith and live up to the Minsk 2 accord. Ukraine treated it like a joke from the start. Also, it may have taken this long for Russia to achieve the economic solidity necessary for this military action, knowing that the West would throw every economic sanction it had at them. The sanctions are hurting Europe much more than Russia at this time.
Absolutely! ...And, on top of that, cannabis arrests are up 25% under Biden/Harris while they are funding 100,000 more cops and 87,000 new armed IRS agents. So much for "progressive Democrats", LOL!
I realize Caitlin dislikes and does not trust Tucker Carlson, but on Oct. 5, 2022, he went full throttle blaming Biden for blowing up the pipeline, and putting us at risk of nuclear annihilation. It was as if Caitlin wrote the script for him.
Accept allies to avoid the apocalypse. I'm fairly right wing, but I read, appreciate, and admire Caitlin, even when I disagree on other topics. What we have in common is a love of humanity, and a desire to report how we see life in as honest of a way as possible.
So wait, SALT, the Open Skies Treaty, the ABM Treaty, the hotline,, all were examples of "try it and die"? Really?
Anyway, should this twerp get the nuclear war he so self-evidently craves, I ask that he not go to a bomb shelter, as doing so would deny a place to someone who was less reckless with others' lives.
If only! If we sane folk could at least have that one moment at the end to see on Big Screen TV these filthiest of human beings get burned, cooked and then vaporized before we all were it would be at least some justice!
Antony Blinken, our "Secretary of State," comes from the bowels of Raytheon, one of our major weapons manufacturers. Toxic manure if ever there was any. Pax vobiscum...
Good lord, I've heard of internet tough guys but I've never seen anyone post something like Thomas did. "Yeah, look at me, I'm such a badass because I WANT to risk nuclear war, not like all you weak little punks who are scared of it."
Guarantee that if the nukes do start flying, he'll be pissing himself.
Also, "try and die"? Launching nukes isn't something you try to do and fail at, unless you forget and/or misplace the codes I guess. If Vladimir Putin at some point decides that Russia has nothing to lose and decides to order the launch, it's not like fucking Seal Team Six is gonna heroically rappel through a broken skylight and subdue him before he can give that order. It's either going to happen or it isn't, and if it does there is NOTHING that can be done to stop it. All anyone will be able to do is retaliate after the fact, after THEY have nothing to lose as well. That should go without saying, but *apparently* some people don't understand it, despite their memories of Cold War 1. I don't think I'd even hit puberty by the time the Berlin Wall fell, but even at that young age I understood that there would be no surviving a nuclear war.
Everyone who was alive back then should know better. Everyone who doesn't are the kind of people who are contenders for Darwin Awards.
This brings up the whole point of what is now being done. I read what Mr. Putin said, he does not want to go across that red line! So knowing this what do these fuckers do!? They want to keep going until he crosses the line or worse keep pushing until he has no choice!? No these pieces of shit NEED TO GO BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
It is really difficult to believe that troglodytes like Theiner exist in our world today, but then I hear the psychopaths in DC, London, and Brussels and realize that he is not alone. Of course, I notice that he is located in that center of "truth, liberty, and the pursuit of righteousness" for all people - Kiev. OML.
What idiot twitterer Theiner is saying - but doesn't know it is,, "try it and we will all die": and this he seems prepared to accept. The Donbas is Russia, under international law, and as certainly as Kosovo, which wasn't even permitted the grace of a referendum. An anomaly illustrative of Western double-speak, ad hoc medicinal, rule of law: mix and use as convenient.
US 'removed' Jupiters in Turkey and Italy but replaced it with Polaris (submarine launched) It was the Russian's that backed down...Kennedy's 'Camelot' was ready to nuke us all..(N.B. The US is the only country that has proved to be psychopathic enough to use them).
The level of deranged incompetence in the empire's foreign policy apparatus is staggering beyond belief. How on earth did these miscreants ascend to positions of power when they seem to have no earthly idea what they're doing? Or, they DO know what they're doing, and couldn't care less about starring a nuclear war. What they don't realize is that their D.C. enclave will be the first to be obliterated if/when the war they so desperately seem to want is started. And all this for nothing more than ensuring the Russian people are not allowed to remain outside the empire's blob, and their resources are made available for the empire's psychopathic oligarchs. And, FWIW, never discount the role of the City of London in all this, the second place perpetrators of destruction behind the U.S. empire of destruction.
Clear description of detente and its valuable meaning for those too young to know. Especially about the removal of missiles by JFK to achieve it in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
The lunatics who are running America into the ground couldn’t care less as witnessed by Tucker Carlson in his take on the Sabotage of the Nordstream 2 pipeline by these crazies .
No detente at all is happening as the lunatic elite boast in a bluff to use nuclear weapons if their dementia isn’t given satisfaction. As Nukand said F#*.EU.
Their bluff is about ready to be called by Russia .
The USA dropping the Bomb on Japan was an inspiring moment for very sick minds in power, a lethal curse.
It’s beyond the ability of the current Wests leadership to do anything but have us die.
It’s up to humanity on the street and with elections for the courageous ones to speak the truth like Marjorie Green for any detente to happen.
I was under my desk along with the rest of my classmates doing the nuclear drill in the late 50's and into the 1st part of the 60's. Then JFK put a stop to it through whatever the means. Then they killed him. So now I begin to wonder are these crazies who tried in the 50's and 60's still at it? Perhaps their children or existing underlings are still at it? Why this country which could be a brother to humanity has always had such underhanded filth at the wheel I just don't get.
This is once again the words of truth and wisdom but I fear these people are so brainwashed they will just follow this filth over the edge! Every word I hear is Putin's war and the madman wants to nuke us! When I say Biden's war is pushing for nuclear destruction I am immediately attacked! I hate to say it and I know it is purely political but the only ones saying anything against this are the fucking Republicans!
While the threat of nuclear war is pushed on us via the media every day how often do we stop and ask the question: "What is it distracting us from?" - the non stop nuclear war headlines serves several purposes. 1) it keeps the populace in fear of something they have no control over. 2) its an easy topic to distract everyone with. 3) It is such an apocalyptic topic it overshadows other stories.
Meanwhile the food crisis is becoming epic in nature. Historically nuclear weapons are a sad second to famine as a killer of humanity.
In the current situation, Putin at least continues to pay lip service to the concept of negotiation, seemingly showing the willingness (and perhaps the ability?) to play the Khrushchev role. But can we see any sign that anybody (anybody?) in the US government, at any level, is either willing or able to play the Kennedy role in this situation? The one without the other does not seem a story with a happy ending. :-(
Putin’s recent speech should be watched in full. That sort of breaks the whole caricature the propagandists try to uphold.
They depend on making sure people only rely on sound bites, never actually taking the time to think or listen to things in their entirety.
It’s a good time to break the habit.
https://matthewehret.substack.com/p/putins-historic-speech-must-be-experienced
Anyone watching that speech will understand why US national security state hates Putin - Putin's critique of US is devastating and he represents an existential threat to US empire. I'm terrified, because Putin left no doubt that he's done with the US and will no longer tolerate "the rent of the hegemon".
That's exactly what I say! Try to get your average Joe American to listen/read this and it won't happen because it will flush the toilet of thought control!
I wrote my senator and said you don't get my vote until you promote detente. It may not do any good, but I have to try to get the word out that we need de-escalation.
What else can we do to get the word out?
I teach a Cold War class and Caitlin is 100% correct. JFK provoked the Cuban Missile Crisis, and then changed his mind. As a side note, it is interesting to realize that every American History textbook I've looked at tends to overlook that JFK first placed missiles in Cuba. They act the like Soviets just put missiles in Cuba all on their own.
I think you meant first placed missiles in Turkey. If so I concur.
You're right. Can't believe I said "JFK first placed missiles in Cuba." Typo.
Is there a good explanation why Putin did not invade when his alleged puppet orange man was president, but did after senile man took office?
The explanation is because Biden/Blinken gave the green light to Zelensky to make war on Donbass and provoke Russian retaliation or preemptive war. What John Mearsheimer calls "the primrose path".
Bingo thanks comrade Bill!
Makes complete sense!
I really don't think that the Russian government is that concerned by any puppet that is in the WH, as they all seem to be the same and dance on the strings of the real masters of the country (banksters, corporatists, billionaires, neo-libs and neo-cons, pseudo-progressives and pseudo-conservatives). My perception (not that I am anybody) is that Putin and his government have been too tolerant, too forgiving, too trusting of the West. IMO, that attitude more than anything else caused them to delay in their actions longer that they should have. The failure of diplomatic efforts by 2015 should have been enough to demonstrate that they (Russia) were invested in a false hope. Sad. Unnecessary...
I am not sure about that as after reading the speech President Putin provided during his request for the "Annexation" of the 4 regions he stated quite clearly the history and truthful understanding of the Criminal Elite who rule most countries and Russia's interactions with them. As I have mentioned before (since we are led to believe he is a "Mad Man") I just thought of Mr. Putin as another politician. I now believe he is the only sane person in a room of madness! He is probably the only hope to save the world from these Criminal Psychopaths!
I would venture huge slice of Russia population agrees with Robert. The lack of tit-for-tat pushback at the time of various western transgressions effectively enabled the West to go further and further. And so it came to this now.
Putin is under heavy criticism for this kind of behavior. I tend to agree with the caveat there might be something we don't know amounting to that, indeed, Russia had no means/resources to produce those pushbacks.
I'd love to live for another 50 years or so when the documents become available revealing what really is happening now.
I think you are right and my gut feeling has been that there may be something far more dark and sinister behind this attack that we will never know about. Something really BAD!
I'm with you - would love to know what is happening in the back rooms of the respective adversaries. At one time, I entertained the idea that in reality they are on the same side and just posturing for their hometown teams to maintain the hysteria and money flows, but this looks quite real and quite serious. We shall see!
I had hoped to get to 120 myself, but even that won't help for a 50 year look back! Maybe we can check in from The Great Beyond...
"I entertained the idea that in reality they are on the same side" - that I never believed.
"Maybe we can check in from The Great Beyond" - talk to you then :-)
Ineed! Drinks on me!
This is something I also had thought was going on that it was just another planned skeem for lining the bank accounts of both parties. The thing that got me looking closer was Mr. Putin's speech and the thing is he is not one of the Criminal Elite! They never admit to the pure clarity of the truthful speech Mr. Putin gave!
I agree. But, who knows! Never thought I would put more trust in an old KGB colonel over my insufferable lot. but here we are!
Agree.
Yes, the 1915 soft approach by Russia could have created a feeling in the West that he was soft and able to be manipulated. Some of that is right but I consider he has now reached the point of no return.
The danger in my reckoning has always been NATO, giving excessive importance to countries of very little political relevance on the world scene . But as part of NATO, American proxy as it has become and has probably always has been if truth be known, they are pumped up by trying to give the impression that they are a unified army, capable of any task that confronts them, all seemingly very keen to outdo their associates while running up a massive weapons bill from the US .
There's the danger. One mistake, just one from a NATO operative, perhaps with a little help from the CIA, now that they have finished in the Baltic
That's all it will take.
Yes, Putin couldn't give up on believing that the West would act in good faith and live up to the Minsk 2 accord. Ukraine treated it like a joke from the start. Also, it may have taken this long for Russia to achieve the economic solidity necessary for this military action, knowing that the West would throw every economic sanction it had at them. The sanctions are hurting Europe much more than Russia at this time.
Agree.
The answer to questions like this is always "He's crazy, so of course his action or inaction doesn't make sense."
How do we know he's crazy? Because serial liars keep telling us so. That should be good enough for everyone.
I think it is possible that he was emboldened by the shitshow that was the Biden-led Afghanistan withdrawal
Yes that is the obvious explanation, but it invalidates the npc narrarative that trump was putins puppet and Biden was going to fix everything.
Probably not a "good explanation" coming from me but, it could be
because all of it is a part of a long-time plan.
Absolutely! ...And, on top of that, cannabis arrests are up 25% under Biden/Harris while they are funding 100,000 more cops and 87,000 new armed IRS agents. So much for "progressive Democrats", LOL!
I realize Caitlin dislikes and does not trust Tucker Carlson, but on Oct. 5, 2022, he went full throttle blaming Biden for blowing up the pipeline, and putting us at risk of nuclear annihilation. It was as if Caitlin wrote the script for him.
Accept allies to avoid the apocalypse. I'm fairly right wing, but I read, appreciate, and admire Caitlin, even when I disagree on other topics. What we have in common is a love of humanity, and a desire to report how we see life in as honest of a way as possible.
So wait, SALT, the Open Skies Treaty, the ABM Treaty, the hotline,, all were examples of "try it and die"? Really?
Anyway, should this twerp get the nuclear war he so self-evidently craves, I ask that he not go to a bomb shelter, as doing so would deny a place to someone who was less reckless with others' lives.
Finster, my favorite kitty! Good ta see ya!
I'd love to drop a dead mouse on your doormat.
Chirrrp!
Accepted! 😉
"Of course I won't hide in a shelter, that would be showing weakness! I'm strong!" -Thomas C. Theiner, probably.
There is not a whole lot positive to say about nuclear war, but it would be satisfying to see this sociopathic shit get vaporized.
If only! If we sane folk could at least have that one moment at the end to see on Big Screen TV these filthiest of human beings get burned, cooked and then vaporized before we all were it would be at least some justice!
Or better yet, die a slow painful death from radiation poisoning.
Antony Blinken, our "Secretary of State," comes from the bowels of Raytheon, one of our major weapons manufacturers. Toxic manure if ever there was any. Pax vobiscum...
Talk about inbreeding! It shows doesn't it!
Good lord, I've heard of internet tough guys but I've never seen anyone post something like Thomas did. "Yeah, look at me, I'm such a badass because I WANT to risk nuclear war, not like all you weak little punks who are scared of it."
Guarantee that if the nukes do start flying, he'll be pissing himself.
Also, "try and die"? Launching nukes isn't something you try to do and fail at, unless you forget and/or misplace the codes I guess. If Vladimir Putin at some point decides that Russia has nothing to lose and decides to order the launch, it's not like fucking Seal Team Six is gonna heroically rappel through a broken skylight and subdue him before he can give that order. It's either going to happen or it isn't, and if it does there is NOTHING that can be done to stop it. All anyone will be able to do is retaliate after the fact, after THEY have nothing to lose as well. That should go without saying, but *apparently* some people don't understand it, despite their memories of Cold War 1. I don't think I'd even hit puberty by the time the Berlin Wall fell, but even at that young age I understood that there would be no surviving a nuclear war.
Everyone who was alive back then should know better. Everyone who doesn't are the kind of people who are contenders for Darwin Awards.
This brings up the whole point of what is now being done. I read what Mr. Putin said, he does not want to go across that red line! So knowing this what do these fuckers do!? They want to keep going until he crosses the line or worse keep pushing until he has no choice!? No these pieces of shit NEED TO GO BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
The only language that the Empire understands is force.
I believe this also.
Yep. No one “wins” a nuclear war. Except maybe the Earth which will be rid of humans…
True enough. But I feel bad for all the magnificent creatures we’ll take down with us.
It is really difficult to believe that troglodytes like Theiner exist in our world today, but then I hear the psychopaths in DC, London, and Brussels and realize that he is not alone. Of course, I notice that he is located in that center of "truth, liberty, and the pursuit of righteousness" for all people - Kiev. OML.
What idiot twitterer Theiner is saying - but doesn't know it is,, "try it and we will all die": and this he seems prepared to accept. The Donbas is Russia, under international law, and as certainly as Kosovo, which wasn't even permitted the grace of a referendum. An anomaly illustrative of Western double-speak, ad hoc medicinal, rule of law: mix and use as convenient.
US 'removed' Jupiters in Turkey and Italy but replaced it with Polaris (submarine launched) It was the Russian's that backed down...Kennedy's 'Camelot' was ready to nuke us all..(N.B. The US is the only country that has proved to be psychopathic enough to use them).
The level of deranged incompetence in the empire's foreign policy apparatus is staggering beyond belief. How on earth did these miscreants ascend to positions of power when they seem to have no earthly idea what they're doing? Or, they DO know what they're doing, and couldn't care less about starring a nuclear war. What they don't realize is that their D.C. enclave will be the first to be obliterated if/when the war they so desperately seem to want is started. And all this for nothing more than ensuring the Russian people are not allowed to remain outside the empire's blob, and their resources are made available for the empire's psychopathic oligarchs. And, FWIW, never discount the role of the City of London in all this, the second place perpetrators of destruction behind the U.S. empire of destruction.
Clear description of detente and its valuable meaning for those too young to know. Especially about the removal of missiles by JFK to achieve it in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
The lunatics who are running America into the ground couldn’t care less as witnessed by Tucker Carlson in his take on the Sabotage of the Nordstream 2 pipeline by these crazies .
No detente at all is happening as the lunatic elite boast in a bluff to use nuclear weapons if their dementia isn’t given satisfaction. As Nukand said F#*.EU.
Their bluff is about ready to be called by Russia .
The USA dropping the Bomb on Japan was an inspiring moment for very sick minds in power, a lethal curse.
It’s beyond the ability of the current Wests leadership to do anything but have us die.
It’s up to humanity on the street and with elections for the courageous ones to speak the truth like Marjorie Green for any detente to happen.
I learned that the bombs dropped on Japan did not need to be dropped! It was all to show Russia what psychos we were!
I was under my desk along with the rest of my classmates doing the nuclear drill in the late 50's and into the 1st part of the 60's. Then JFK put a stop to it through whatever the means. Then they killed him. So now I begin to wonder are these crazies who tried in the 50's and 60's still at it? Perhaps their children or existing underlings are still at it? Why this country which could be a brother to humanity has always had such underhanded filth at the wheel I just don't get.
This is once again the words of truth and wisdom but I fear these people are so brainwashed they will just follow this filth over the edge! Every word I hear is Putin's war and the madman wants to nuke us! When I say Biden's war is pushing for nuclear destruction I am immediately attacked! I hate to say it and I know it is purely political but the only ones saying anything against this are the fucking Republicans!
While the threat of nuclear war is pushed on us via the media every day how often do we stop and ask the question: "What is it distracting us from?" - the non stop nuclear war headlines serves several purposes. 1) it keeps the populace in fear of something they have no control over. 2) its an easy topic to distract everyone with. 3) It is such an apocalyptic topic it overshadows other stories.
Meanwhile the food crisis is becoming epic in nature. Historically nuclear weapons are a sad second to famine as a killer of humanity.
In the current situation, Putin at least continues to pay lip service to the concept of negotiation, seemingly showing the willingness (and perhaps the ability?) to play the Khrushchev role. But can we see any sign that anybody (anybody?) in the US government, at any level, is either willing or able to play the Kennedy role in this situation? The one without the other does not seem a story with a happy ending. :-(