CJ>>"Israeli is not a religion and Jewish is not a nationality and anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism and all decent people despise the state of Israel."
and
CJ>"Hating Israel is one of the most patriotic things Americans can do at this point. It’s clear now that Israel is going to keep aggressively pushing for a US war against Iran until they get it, and making support for Israel politically toxic in the US may be the only thing that can prevent them from succeeding."
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There are so many reasons I love your articles Caitlin, and your present one just gave me more reasons to appreciate your thoughts and communication style.
Focus Sk Safowan! Here are some BETTER takeaways from this article ->
(1) The PR and hasbara abilities (and its effect) is losing power on the populations of the world. Israeli propaganda is FAILING massively - and there is NOTHING Israel can do about this.
(2) U.S. Empire propaganda is also suffering and people are able to SEE THROUGH the deceptions, lies, and gaslighting used on the American people.
(3) Using religions and manipulative psychology around 'religious narratives' is losing its power too - people just aren't buying all the 'muslim-hating' false narratives and lies (that the U.S. Empire has been disseminating for a very long time now) as much as before.
(4) Using the religion of Christianity (and any related narratives) to make people conform to 'certain morals' and 'ways of thinking', and using such to justify Genocide, etc. is falling flat on its face.
(5) People are RISING UP to the illegitimacy of the narratives of TPTB in the US, UK, and many other parts of the world (many examples given in Caitlin's article).
No - you're a shithead. As per your profile blurb "We have to finish those parasites called jews..."
You are not much different from the Zionists and Israelis that you seem to hate - you have much in common with them. Sucks to be so similar to the people you hate, doesn't it?
Being repulsed by psychotic murderer worshipers to the point of hating them is HEALTHY. It's certainly not a reason to criticize those who hate mass murderers...and organized jewry is nothing if not a collection of serial-lying murderers to anyone willing to investigate the facts behind their long history of self-serving lies and Tribal celebrations of the EXTERMINATION of their enemies!
You've twisted yourself into a moral pretzel, Chang...or you're simply a dissembler or a willful ignoramus running cover for these disturbed monsters.
Your exhausted arguments in defence of EVIL are SO yesterday.
Like Caitlin said: Your "anti-semitism" schtick no longer works with sentient humans because WE NOW KNOW WHO THE REAL BAD GUYZ ARE!
"You've twisted yourself into a moral pretzel, Chang"
No, you don't get it, arthurdecco (and Sk safowan) .... You're conflating populations (primarily Jews and Christians) which have a large portions with members with a supremacist mental disease (Zionism, and all that it has by now revealed is implied by it) with whatever larger culture/attributes/bloodlines defining those populations (Jewishness and Christianity).
Meanwhile, I've also been smacking back the flipside conflation: These infected populations' common defensive accusation "hating X is antisemitic" wherever I see it, because it *equates* hating a symptom X (e.g. killing/maiming children, doctors, journalists) of the disease (Zionism), with hating a cultural population with a high portion of infected people (Jews and Christians). In other words, the accuser, unwittingly, turns him/herself into the very thing he/she criticizes by attempting to transform their own immoral behaviors into inviolable cultural values.
And lived there alongside Moslems and Christians for centuries until the state of Israel was created and everything went to shit. There are many Israelis who oppose the assault in Gaza and the West Bank. This is a political issue and nothing to do with religion; that’s just the cloak that the Israeli government uses to hide behind. Anti Israeli actions is NOT antisemitism!
exactly what Lily says. Jews could dare to live in Palestine as they did before. but under the laws of Palestine. just like they do in New York..sorta.
see even in the US Israel destroys free speech and makes the west a target with AIPAC support of their barbarism. Zionists will never stop. greater Israel and technofeudalism is there goal. read 10 myths about Israel or watch the excellent documentary Tantura. watch that film and get back to is. you mean well im sure, but I dont think you understand fully.
no not equal rights. Israel has no right to exist. they hide behind this bullshit and look where we are today. even though most of us live in the aftermath of genocidal states from hundreds of years ago. a new 80 year old one, especially after the holocaust, does not get equal rights.
I don’t agree, not least because there is no chance of that happening. Israel exists and it needs to recognise its situation, living among the Arab states. It must accommodate the Palestinians who share the land and whose families have lived there for centuries, as have many Jews and Christians. Your idea will only prolong the war and the suffering.
No, "Israeli" Jews never intended to let Palestinians live on our native land. The Jewish zionazi plan was always to completely eliminate all Palestinians, even the 2 million inside "Israel" proper, and that's still the zionazi plan. It's easy to find; they never his their intention. Would you want to live with "people" like that?
No I wouldn’t, but not all the people in Israel are Zionist, look at the protests there. The problem is Netan-Yahoo who is scared to have an election because he will lose and then be on trial for corruption. Plenty of the Israelis know this, even his supporters. You are tarring the whole population when we should focus on the government and its Zionist ministers.
Few questions for ya to get those juices flowing, Rory.
How did "equal rights for all" work out in South Africa so far? Would Jews want to live with Nazis? How'd it work out for Native Americans after they were slaughtered into near extinction?
I’m willing to talk this through but I don’t think we will find an answer. Plus someone called Gypsy-33 is furious with me for even trying to discuss this so I don’t know what is to be gained by saying anything more.
They are pretty much doing it in South Africa (don’t believe the bollocks President Trump spouts about white farmers being persecuted). Jews wouldn’t want to live with Nazis, but I don’t see the relevance of that question (Hamas would lose all support if it didn’t have the oppressive Israeli government to help it rally its supporters). In the 17th and 18th centuries the Europeans made treaties with the native peoples of America and they coexisted successfully until later American governments came up with the idea of “Manifest Destiny” that was their excuse for killing most and driving the rest of the American Indians off their lands and into the reservations where their descendants now live. In other words, coexistence can happen, it only requires the political will, which is sadly not in the minds of the current Israeli government. The suggestion that there could be a single state for all the people living there was put to me by a couple of Palestinians here and on Quora.
I won't address the Hamas point bc it's too long to address in text and unfortunately I don't have the time. Dunno if one can DM on this app but perhaps one day in a DM. As for the one state solution, I believed in it too as a Palestinian American, UNTIL October 7. After that, the one and only way I see a one state solution being even remotely possible anymore is for every single zionazi to go back where they came from (US, Europe, Russia, Morocco, wherever) and Palestinian Jews may remain as they have been in the past.
Look at the map. "Two state solution" is a hoax. Was a hoax from the start. A diversion to avoid the only possible fair solution, which is a single state with equality for all, no matter their background or religion.
No. Not death to anyone. Moral condemnation to the State of Israel for it’s actions in Palestine, legal accountability for those who engineered these actions and those who committed crimes against humanity, and justice- as much as we can provide it - for victims of crimes. But if you think shouting out death, death, is helpful then you are part of the problem and not the solution.
Say that to the children of Gaza whose limb was blown to pieces and entire family was killed with it by the jews from the comfort of you home, You fucking jew apologists.
I will not say death to jews. most jews are zionists tho.
similarly with the germans. death to nazis and their supporters or silent complicitors but not every single last german.
what do you say to Alon Mizrani? Glenn Greenwald? Norman Finkelstein? Max Blumenthal? Aaron Mate? Gabor Mate?
and so you dont think I only listen to Jews. I agree with Rania Khalek that HAMAS has every right to do Oct 7.
I wouldnt have killed civillians as a matter of strategy, and its not like Israel didnt kill their own or arent responsible for the whole thing but you would condemn every jew every where ?
i swear to god if you call me a jew apologist when i say death to israel, death to zionists, death to mossad, death to IDF but not death to jews..I just dont know what to say
Im sure it is hard, but if you have an arguement make it.
In fact, despite 77+ years of brutal terror from a self-declared Jewish state it IS the Palestinians - from PLO to PFLP to Hamas - that keep insisting on the difference between Jews and Zionists and it is therefore YOU that are making their struggle a big disfavor - by conflating the two, which has always been the Zionist goal. I'm glad nobody here buys it.
I'm not here to sell anything and especially not to the fucking westerns who are actively funding the genocide and trying to silence anyone from talking about their overlord Jews.
Even if Mamdani loses in november and does nothing else or he wins and turns into a shitlib or if the democrats decide to JFK him, he's still struck a powerful blow against the propaganda. The city with one of the largest jewish populations in the world just voted for an anti genocide politician. All the propaganda in the world can't whitewash this fact.
I saw a chart of NY with the districts highlighted that voted for Cuomo and it was only the richest ones. While there’ll always be people dazzled by wealth, their numbers are dwindling watching fellow humans who are neither rich nor powerful, treated as if their lives and their kids lives are valueless.
Everyone here i expect knows this but let's just say for the record that it is the Arabs that are a Semitic people. Arabic is a Semitic language. The Russian jews and the rest from eastern Europe are not Semitic. They are Europeans. Netanyahoo is an obnoxious polack bastard. Also, Iranians are not Semitic. They are Persians. The "Israelis" are in fact the most antisemitic people on earth.
I don’t want to live in a world where you could get arrested or suspended for saying don’t kill children, because it might hurt the feelings of the killers. I continue to challenge the lie that is Israel and USA as an evil enabler..That’s what good human beings do. Truth doesn’t mind being questioned! A lie does not like being challenged! Challenge anyway!
OK, thank you I thought I was taking crazy pills seeing all of these people left, right and center simultaneously start saying "Islam is for barbarians" again, which was the kind of thing you heard during the height of the Iraq war. We've gotta save Iran by bombing it, Islam is a religion of killing people, etc. Wild stuff
The Israelis are NOT God's chosen people. Their army is the most immoral in the world.
I'm not going to have a religious discussion when people are of many different faiths and I respect everyone's right to choose (or decide to not choose) if that's the case. I mean that sincerely.
The God of Christianity loves ALL of His creation equally is what I believe. The idea that a certain group who have migrated to a parcel of real estate from here, there, and everywhere are "Chosen" to be special and can therefore do as they please to others is clearly a lie. What they please, in this case, turns out to be mass murder, mutilation, and terrorism. Yet this is the very position most Israelis have taken and what they expect the world to intone back to them. They get very little pushback and what they do get makes them screech in anger. It's truly amazing there isn't a cascade of anger. People are starting to see them for what they are and that's encouraging.
That’s how sexual assaulters operate, divide and conquer! He might as well now admit that he was planted by the serial sex offender, the fucking deranged lunatic orange man tRump, pedo 1 covering for pedo master!
CJ>>"Israeli is not a religion and Jewish is not a nationality and anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism and all decent people despise the state of Israel."
and
CJ>"Hating Israel is one of the most patriotic things Americans can do at this point. It’s clear now that Israel is going to keep aggressively pushing for a US war against Iran until they get it, and making support for Israel politically toxic in the US may be the only thing that can prevent them from succeeding."
🎯🎯💯💯👏👏🙏🙏
There are so many reasons I love your articles Caitlin, and your present one just gave me more reasons to appreciate your thoughts and communication style.
Thank you and much love ❤️
Who gives a single flying fuck even if something is anti-semitism! Jews aren't even Semitc people, They lied about just like everything they says.
Focus Sk Safowan! Here are some BETTER takeaways from this article ->
(1) The PR and hasbara abilities (and its effect) is losing power on the populations of the world. Israeli propaganda is FAILING massively - and there is NOTHING Israel can do about this.
(2) U.S. Empire propaganda is also suffering and people are able to SEE THROUGH the deceptions, lies, and gaslighting used on the American people.
(3) Using religions and manipulative psychology around 'religious narratives' is losing its power too - people just aren't buying all the 'muslim-hating' false narratives and lies (that the U.S. Empire has been disseminating for a very long time now) as much as before.
(4) Using the religion of Christianity (and any related narratives) to make people conform to 'certain morals' and 'ways of thinking', and using such to justify Genocide, etc. is falling flat on its face.
(5) People are RISING UP to the illegitimacy of the narratives of TPTB in the US, UK, and many other parts of the world (many examples given in Caitlin's article).
This wasn't about this article!
I just don't give a shit even if something is anti-semitism( anti-jew )
No - you're a shithead. As per your profile blurb "We have to finish those parasites called jews..."
You are not much different from the Zionists and Israelis that you seem to hate - you have much in common with them. Sucks to be so similar to the people you hate, doesn't it?
Thank you!
Being repulsed by psychotic murderer worshipers to the point of hating them is HEALTHY. It's certainly not a reason to criticize those who hate mass murderers...and organized jewry is nothing if not a collection of serial-lying murderers to anyone willing to investigate the facts behind their long history of self-serving lies and Tribal celebrations of the EXTERMINATION of their enemies!
You've twisted yourself into a moral pretzel, Chang...or you're simply a dissembler or a willful ignoramus running cover for these disturbed monsters.
Your exhausted arguments in defence of EVIL are SO yesterday.
Like Caitlin said: Your "anti-semitism" schtick no longer works with sentient humans because WE NOW KNOW WHO THE REAL BAD GUYZ ARE!
"You've twisted yourself into a moral pretzel, Chang"
No, you don't get it, arthurdecco (and Sk safowan) .... You're conflating populations (primarily Jews and Christians) which have a large portions with members with a supremacist mental disease (Zionism, and all that it has by now revealed is implied by it) with whatever larger culture/attributes/bloodlines defining those populations (Jewishness and Christianity).
Meanwhile, I've also been smacking back the flipside conflation: These infected populations' common defensive accusation "hating X is antisemitic" wherever I see it, because it *equates* hating a symptom X (e.g. killing/maiming children, doctors, journalists) of the disease (Zionism), with hating a cultural population with a high portion of infected people (Jews and Christians). In other words, the accuser, unwittingly, turns him/herself into the very thing he/she criticizes by attempting to transform their own immoral behaviors into inviolable cultural values.
The original Jews are Semitic people. A lot of those stayed in the Middle East, specifically in Palestine .......
And lived there alongside Moslems and Christians for centuries until the state of Israel was created and everything went to shit. There are many Israelis who oppose the assault in Gaza and the West Bank. This is a political issue and nothing to do with religion; that’s just the cloak that the Israeli government uses to hide behind. Anti Israeli actions is NOT antisemitism!
Absolutely.
DEATH! DEATH! TO THE IDF!
(safety in numbers)
#WipeIsraelOffTheMap don't be afraid to say it!
Israel delenda est.
Everything sounds better in Latin :-)
This is not the solution, it just prolongs the problem. Equal rights for all people in the area is what is needed.
exactly what Lily says. Jews could dare to live in Palestine as they did before. but under the laws of Palestine. just like they do in New York..sorta.
see even in the US Israel destroys free speech and makes the west a target with AIPAC support of their barbarism. Zionists will never stop. greater Israel and technofeudalism is there goal. read 10 myths about Israel or watch the excellent documentary Tantura. watch that film and get back to is. you mean well im sure, but I dont think you understand fully.
no not equal rights. Israel has no right to exist. they hide behind this bullshit and look where we are today. even though most of us live in the aftermath of genocidal states from hundreds of years ago. a new 80 year old one, especially after the holocaust, does not get equal rights.
I don’t agree, not least because there is no chance of that happening. Israel exists and it needs to recognise its situation, living among the Arab states. It must accommodate the Palestinians who share the land and whose families have lived there for centuries, as have many Jews and Christians. Your idea will only prolong the war and the suffering.
No, "Israeli" Jews never intended to let Palestinians live on our native land. The Jewish zionazi plan was always to completely eliminate all Palestinians, even the 2 million inside "Israel" proper, and that's still the zionazi plan. It's easy to find; they never his their intention. Would you want to live with "people" like that?
No I wouldn’t, but not all the people in Israel are Zionist, look at the protests there. The problem is Netan-Yahoo who is scared to have an election because he will lose and then be on trial for corruption. Plenty of the Israelis know this, even his supporters. You are tarring the whole population when we should focus on the government and its Zionist ministers.
Bullshit Rory.
Few questions for ya to get those juices flowing, Rory.
How did "equal rights for all" work out in South Africa so far? Would Jews want to live with Nazis? How'd it work out for Native Americans after they were slaughtered into near extinction?
yes Rory. i will converse with you and talk this out. i used to say as you do. but it is bullshit i see very clearly now.
I’m willing to talk this through but I don’t think we will find an answer. Plus someone called Gypsy-33 is furious with me for even trying to discuss this so I don’t know what is to be gained by saying anything more.
well I can speak for myself. feel free to begin
They are pretty much doing it in South Africa (don’t believe the bollocks President Trump spouts about white farmers being persecuted). Jews wouldn’t want to live with Nazis, but I don’t see the relevance of that question (Hamas would lose all support if it didn’t have the oppressive Israeli government to help it rally its supporters). In the 17th and 18th centuries the Europeans made treaties with the native peoples of America and they coexisted successfully until later American governments came up with the idea of “Manifest Destiny” that was their excuse for killing most and driving the rest of the American Indians off their lands and into the reservations where their descendants now live. In other words, coexistence can happen, it only requires the political will, which is sadly not in the minds of the current Israeli government. The suggestion that there could be a single state for all the people living there was put to me by a couple of Palestinians here and on Quora.
I won't address the Hamas point bc it's too long to address in text and unfortunately I don't have the time. Dunno if one can DM on this app but perhaps one day in a DM. As for the one state solution, I believed in it too as a Palestinian American, UNTIL October 7. After that, the one and only way I see a one state solution being even remotely possible anymore is for every single zionazi to go back where they came from (US, Europe, Russia, Morocco, wherever) and Palestinian Jews may remain as they have been in the past.
Look at the map. "Two state solution" is a hoax. Was a hoax from the start. A diversion to avoid the only possible fair solution, which is a single state with equality for all, no matter their background or religion.
you can dm on here
A COUPLE of Palestinians, Rory? 😂😂😂
You’re FUCKING DELUSIONAL.
My father was from Haifa, PALESTINE. That land belongs to HIS family, not a rat’s nest of thieves!
Just shut your mouth; you’ll be better off!
“Quora”….LMFAO!
I will if you will. Meanwhile let’s try and have a civil discussion please.
Except no one agrees on the meaning of “equal , any more than of “true “ or “just.”
True but still worth clinging to the possibility
Again: DE-Fucking-LUSIONAL.
By instituting a single state of Palestine, with equal rights, digintiy and freedom for everyone.
I will say that I'm not down with "death to jews" at all.
But Zionists or IDF. they deserve worse
Death to the jews
Not all Jews are bad, many are true followers of the Torah, death to the Zionists is better bc not all Jews are zionists and not all zionists are Jews
And the IDF doesn’t represent Jews.
No. Not to Norman Finkelstein, not to Medea Benjamin, not to Miko Peled, not to the many other Jews who are speaking out powerfully against Zionism.
Death to Zionism.
Exactly. And not to those young Israelis who are refusing to serve in the IDF.
No. Not death to anyone. Moral condemnation to the State of Israel for it’s actions in Palestine, legal accountability for those who engineered these actions and those who committed crimes against humanity, and justice- as much as we can provide it - for victims of crimes. But if you think shouting out death, death, is helpful then you are part of the problem and not the solution.
Say that to the children of Gaza whose limb was blown to pieces and entire family was killed with it by the jews from the comfort of you home, You fucking jew apologists.
I will not say death to jews. most jews are zionists tho.
similarly with the germans. death to nazis and their supporters or silent complicitors but not every single last german.
what do you say to Alon Mizrani? Glenn Greenwald? Norman Finkelstein? Max Blumenthal? Aaron Mate? Gabor Mate?
and so you dont think I only listen to Jews. I agree with Rania Khalek that HAMAS has every right to do Oct 7.
I wouldnt have killed civillians as a matter of strategy, and its not like Israel didnt kill their own or arent responsible for the whole thing but you would condemn every jew every where ?
i swear to god if you call me a jew apologist when i say death to israel, death to zionists, death to mossad, death to IDF but not death to jews..I just dont know what to say
Im sure it is hard, but if you have an arguement make it.
I won’t either, but I will say death! death! to the fckn IDF.
In fact, despite 77+ years of brutal terror from a self-declared Jewish state it IS the Palestinians - from PLO to PFLP to Hamas - that keep insisting on the difference between Jews and Zionists and it is therefore YOU that are making their struggle a big disfavor - by conflating the two, which has always been the Zionist goal. I'm glad nobody here buys it.
I'm not here to sell anything and especially not to the fucking westerns who are actively funding the genocide and trying to silence anyone from talking about their overlord Jews.
Either way you're doing the Zionists a favor. The overlord Jews told me to say thank you!
Yes. Thank you. Justice. As much as we can stand.
Well said!
You're on the wrong thread - find a racist site.
Opposing Zionism is not racist, it’s a political issue.
I was replying to an earlier commenter!
Sorry, yes, I got it after I wrote my reply!
No one I know wants death to the Jews. The Jews are not the issue here. It is death to apartheid, illegal settlements, and genocide!
"All decent people despise the state of Israel."
This is the way it should be. No decent person should approve of a genocidal state or anyone who would support it. There are no exceptions.
Even if Mamdani loses in november and does nothing else or he wins and turns into a shitlib or if the democrats decide to JFK him, he's still struck a powerful blow against the propaganda. The city with one of the largest jewish populations in the world just voted for an anti genocide politician. All the propaganda in the world can't whitewash this fact.
I saw a chart of NY with the districts highlighted that voted for Cuomo and it was only the richest ones. While there’ll always be people dazzled by wealth, their numbers are dwindling watching fellow humans who are neither rich nor powerful, treated as if their lives and their kids lives are valueless.
I can bet my best pair of shoes (I love shoes), that he is a shitlib like Barack. I can already see it.
Obama set the bar pretty high for treachery and phoniness.
Well stated!!
Everyone here i expect knows this but let's just say for the record that it is the Arabs that are a Semitic people. Arabic is a Semitic language. The Russian jews and the rest from eastern Europe are not Semitic. They are Europeans. Netanyahoo is an obnoxious polack bastard. Also, Iranians are not Semitic. They are Persians. The "Israelis" are in fact the most antisemitic people on earth.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Caitlin & Tim, We are all the way with you! You have written such a beautiful, meaningful article.
"Israeli is not a religion and Jewish is not a nationality and anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism and all decent people despise the state of Israel".
I don’t want to live in a world where you could get arrested or suspended for saying don’t kill children, because it might hurt the feelings of the killers. I continue to challenge the lie that is Israel and USA as an evil enabler..That’s what good human beings do. Truth doesn’t mind being questioned! A lie does not like being challenged! Challenge anyway!
Americans are complicit in murder.
Period
We will never forget
OK, thank you I thought I was taking crazy pills seeing all of these people left, right and center simultaneously start saying "Islam is for barbarians" again, which was the kind of thing you heard during the height of the Iraq war. We've gotta save Iran by bombing it, Islam is a religion of killing people, etc. Wild stuff
“Justice is what love looks like in pubic”-Dr. Cornel West
We will not stop till Palestine is free and the criminals responsible for this atrocity are punished. Israel does not deserve to exist.
The Israelis are NOT God's chosen people. Their army is the most immoral in the world.
I'm not going to have a religious discussion when people are of many different faiths and I respect everyone's right to choose (or decide to not choose) if that's the case. I mean that sincerely.
The God of Christianity loves ALL of His creation equally is what I believe. The idea that a certain group who have migrated to a parcel of real estate from here, there, and everywhere are "Chosen" to be special and can therefore do as they please to others is clearly a lie. What they please, in this case, turns out to be mass murder, mutilation, and terrorism. Yet this is the very position most Israelis have taken and what they expect the world to intone back to them. They get very little pushback and what they do get makes them screech in anger. It's truly amazing there isn't a cascade of anger. People are starting to see them for what they are and that's encouraging.
I’m pretty sure the Bible is just Hebrew mythology so I don’t put any faith in any actual truth being found in that storybook.
I love you, Caitlin
Love it. And now Andrew Cuomo will run as an independent - a deliberate plan to split the vote.
Yeah, so much for "vote blue no matter who!"
But I doubt if he will succeed!
Doubt does NOT make things happen.
That’s how sexual assaulters operate, divide and conquer! He might as well now admit that he was planted by the serial sex offender, the fucking deranged lunatic orange man tRump, pedo 1 covering for pedo master!
Interesting! So now the two major parties are noticing their lack of popularity?
A commentary well stated, thank you!!
I wonder if there is time to get a Palestine flag to fly at my house by the Fourth of July. I want to be as patriotic as possible!